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DACrowe
12-30-2005, 02:41 PM
B'89: A dark almost supernatural Batman seems indestructable and devestates two thugs. He then takes one by the collar and hangs him over the ledge of a building and as the guy freaks out saying "What ARE YOU?" in a dark cold voice he responds "I'm Batman," tosses him down and jumps into the fog with the operatic Elfman theme soaring.

BB: After trashing a bunch of warehouse thugs, and again seeming almost supernatural, he attacks a crimeboss scared ****less in his car. The crimeboss in anger yells "What the hell are you?" and Batman pulls him through the roof and says in an angry gruff voice, "I'm Batman" and then follows it up with a comical line "Nice coat" to a homless man from his past and flies off into the darkness.

Which works better?

Batman911
12-30-2005, 09:52 PM
wtf u already posted this

Batwing6655
12-30-2005, 11:15 PM
wtf u already posted this

yeah. whats up with this?:confused:

DACrowe
12-31-2005, 12:59 AM
This came first and I forgot to add the poll. HENCE the added POLL, COME HERE on the other thread then. :roleyes:

Bat Attack
01-12-2007, 04:27 PM
Batman (1989) of course, Keaton was so badass when he said that. Bale's "I'm Batman" was laughable.

Joker
01-12-2007, 04:32 PM
Keaton all the way. He was badass when he said it. I love Bale's Batman, but when he said it in BB, I was like "Oh, dude Keaton sounded so much better saying that".

Bat Attack
01-12-2007, 04:33 PM
And the corny-cringe inducing "Nice Coat" line right after didn't help Bale any either.

Damiean Dark
01-12-2007, 04:56 PM
Keaton was so amamzing as the dark knight his whispering menace and shadowy presence kicks ass over bales good but not great "im angry at you tell me all i want to know" shouting do you want bale to be shouting like that at joker in tdk? or rather have keaton talking calmly but reeking of menace contrasting to jokers cocky but dangerous flambouyancy?.

cryptic name
01-12-2007, 05:26 PM
Keaton's worked better. i believed him when he said it.

Agentsands77
01-12-2007, 05:49 PM
I'm going to go against the grain and say I prefer Bale's delivery. The gruff, angry delivery is something I'm quite fond of, and the preceding material is that much more bad-ass. And I don't really mind the "nice coat" line, either.

Palpadious
01-12-2007, 08:02 PM
Bale souded like a redneck when he said it.

Keaton wins by a mile.

Agentsands77
01-12-2007, 08:05 PM
Bale souded like a redneck when he said it.
What??

Bat Attack
01-12-2007, 10:30 PM
lol

Mr. Socko
01-12-2007, 11:06 PM
I thought Keaton said it better.

dude love
01-12-2007, 11:13 PM
Keaton for sure! That's my favourite movie scene of all time!

Nepenthes
01-13-2007, 05:27 AM
Bale sounded like the guy who works in my favourite kebab shop. He's a fat greasy Turk with lisp.

Kevin Roegele
01-13-2007, 09:46 AM
I'm going to go against the grain and say I prefer Bale's delivery. The gruff, angry delivery is something I'm quite fond of, and the preceding material is that much more bad-ass. And I don't really mind the "nice coat" line, either.

But Batman doesn't need to sound angry. Keaton's harsh, whispered threat was all that was needed.....

The Sage
01-13-2007, 10:52 AM
Michael Keaton.

Two-Face
01-13-2007, 11:03 AM
Goerge Clooney :D


"Hi Freeze, I'm Batman"

Agentsands77
01-13-2007, 12:10 PM
But Batman doesn't need to sound angry. Keaton's harsh, whispered threat was all that was needed.....
To each his own. I liked the intensity and pure threat of Bale's delivery, and thought the anger was more than fine for that moment. Keaton's delivery does very little for me, and the scene hasn't particularly aged well, either.

I'm clearly going against the grain in this one.

El Payaso
01-13-2007, 12:13 PM
and the scene hasn't particularly aged well, either.

How so?

batmaluco
01-13-2007, 12:32 PM
Goerge Clooney :D


"Hi Freeze, I'm Batman"
lol! :up:

Bat Attack
01-13-2007, 01:01 PM
How so?
I think it's just another excuse so he can bash Batman (1989). I don't see how that scene could not have aged well? :confused:

Kevin Roegele
01-13-2007, 01:06 PM
Keaton's delivery does very little for me, and the scene hasn't particularly aged well, either.



It's aged so badly that it's become a classic scene and Batman Begins can repeat it.

Agentsands77
01-13-2007, 01:11 PM
How so?
Only in the sense that it's full of little moments that don't quite work. For example, the animated Bat shadow looks very silly, the batarang moment looks very silly, and that slow descent in the background with the very structured cape also looks very silly. Just my opinion. ::::braces himself for the onslaught of the BATMAN '89 protectors:::

I find it interesting how well BATMAN RETURNS holds up, though.

Bat Attack
01-13-2007, 01:14 PM
I actually find it offensive that Batman Begins would try to copy that scene from Batman. :down And I love the shot of the animated batman it adds to the noglestia (which Batman Begins lacks big time), and the batarang is awesome too. The slow descent was awesome, I really don't know how you think that looks silly. It looks like it's right out of a 1930's/40's Batman comic.

Agentsands77
01-13-2007, 01:21 PM
I actually find it offensive that Batman Begins would try to copy that scene from Batman.
Well, it didn't really copy the scene so much as it copied the line. But fair enough.

And I love the shot of the animated batman it adds to the noglestia (which Batman Begins lacks big time)
Why should it be a goal of a film to evoke nostalgia?

Bat Attack
01-13-2007, 01:26 PM
I don't think that was goal when they were making it, but it feels nostalgic to me (because I grew up watching both Burton films). I just don't think I'll ever have the same feeling when watching Batman Begins.

Kevin Roegele
01-13-2007, 02:16 PM
Well, it didn't really copy the scene so much as it copied the line.

Of course it copied the scene. A scared bad guy asks, "What/who are you?" and Batman lifts him up by his collar and tells him, "I'm Batman" before exiting the scene. It's a direct homage o the scene, not just a repeated line.

El Payaso
01-13-2007, 02:17 PM
Only in the sense that it's full of little moments that don't quite work. For example, the animated Bat shadow looks very silly, the batarang moment looks very silly, and that slow descent in the background with the very structured cape also looks very silly. Just my opinion. ::::braces himself for the onslaught of the BATMAN '89 protectors:::

Your post sounds very silly. A bunch of moments (where Batman is not saying I'm Batman) next to the words 'looks silly.' You didn't put much effort trying to bash this one. I'll try: Batman Begins cowl looks silly, Carmine Falcone in the car looks silly, Ra's beard looks silly. Silly, silly silly. So easy and void of any actual point it's painful.

Why should it be a goal of a film to evoke nostalgia?

There must be something about it. I mean, Nolan tried to evoke it with that scene after all.

DocLathropBrown
01-13-2007, 04:03 PM
Only in the sense that it's full of little moments that don't quite work. For example, the animated Bat shadow looks very silly, the batarang moment looks very silly, and that slow descent in the background with the very structured cape also looks very silly. Just my opinion. ::::braces himself for the onslaught of the BATMAN '89 protectors:::

I find it interesting how well BATMAN RETURNS holds up, though.

I admire your fairness and actual reasons for disliking the B89 scene. I don't agree, but since most of the people who dislike something about B89 are annoying jerks who bash just for the sake of bashing, you're awesome!

Bruce_Wayne29
01-13-2007, 04:16 PM
Michael Keaton's.

Bat Attack
01-13-2007, 04:26 PM
Your post sounds very silly. A bunch of moments (where Batman is not saying I'm Batman) next to the words 'looks silly.' You didn't put much effort trying to bash this one. I'll try: Batman Begins cowl looks silly, Carmine Falcone in the car looks silly, Ra's beard looks silly. Silly, silly silly. So easy and void of any actual point it's painful.



There must be something about it. I mean, Nolan tried to evoke it with that scene after all.
Tried and failed.

Agentsands77
01-13-2007, 04:54 PM
Your post sounds very silly. A bunch of moments (where Batman is not saying I'm Batman) next to the words 'looks silly.'
Hey, pointing out where something looks awkward or jarring is legitimate, no?

You didn't put much effort trying to bash this one.
I'm not trying to bash anything. I'm just stating my thoughts (which you asked for), which I think is more than fair.

I admire your fairness and actual reasons for disliking the B89 scene. I don't agree, but since most of the people who dislike something about B89 are annoying jerks who bash just for the sake of bashing, you're awesome!
Thanks, Doc.

El Payaso
01-13-2007, 04:57 PM
I'm not trying to bash anything. I'm just stating my thoughts (which was asked for), which I think is more than fair.

Is the articulation what I'm talking about.

Redwoods Wolf
01-13-2007, 09:41 PM
I liked the supernatural atmosphere Keaton created, but I like the inflection in Bale's voice better. He sounds so pissed.
But B89's opening scene really worked for me. Just an awesome intro to the main character.

Rockbottom
01-16-2007, 06:04 PM
89 without a doubt, thats one of my favourite Batman moments, along with Mask of the Phantasm were he puts the mask on for the first time, Keaton was amazing in that scene, but elfman makes the scene with the score. Not to say i didnt like Bales, i just thought Keatons was much better.

Superman Prime
01-18-2007, 01:41 AM
Michael Keaton.

Bale showed and told.

Keaton showed. Somehow, even when speaking, he managed just to show.

Crooklyn
01-18-2007, 04:06 AM
Keaton showed. Somehow, even when speaking, he managed just to show.
Yeah that's not perplexing.

Superman Prime
01-18-2007, 03:10 PM
Neither are you.

Damiean Dark
01-19-2007, 03:04 AM
Put it this way would you prefer keatons batman quitely whispered menace while he is talking to the joker in TDK or would you have Bale shouting angrily and talking in that silly muffeled way he does in BB. Which would honestly look better?.

El Payaso
01-19-2007, 05:42 AM
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El Payaso
01-19-2007, 05:43 AM
I get Batman shouting as a madman just as an intimidation game, a way to scare some thug (as in BB.)

But in a serious way, the only people who need to shout for real are the one in despair. People who's under control and know exactly what they want and what they're doing - and what is going to happen - move and talk as less as possible.

Nepenthes
01-20-2007, 04:06 AM
damn right ^

I don't see why it's so hard for people see it. Bale should NOT be growling and making tough guy faces.

Crooklyn
01-20-2007, 05:08 AM
It's not a necessity, but it's ridiculous to say that it should NEVER occur. There are 2 ways of intimidating someone, Keaton went one way, Bale went another. They're both effective. It comes down to preference on that front.

As for the "tough-guy faces"....I'm curious to know what face Batman is mostly drawn, as you see it.

Texas Ranger
01-20-2007, 07:36 PM
christan bales im batman was the best one out of all the people who played batman

Bat Attack
01-20-2007, 08:22 PM
Bale sounded like he's been smoking for 20 years.

mjbull23
01-21-2007, 11:16 AM
Definitely the 89 version.

Bnightwing
01-28-2007, 08:29 PM
1989 baby cause he was hanging him off the bulding and the guy was more scared and well better movie haha!

Soap
01-29-2007, 06:25 PM
Michael Keaton

Batman2k7
02-14-2007, 08:33 AM
i like BB better his voice sounds cool

Damiean Dark
02-14-2007, 01:29 PM
^I dont know how you come to that conclusion one thing most fans agree on, even the most die hard BB fans is that Keaton as Batman was far more natural then bale especially in the voice department even though they liked BB more as a film Bales voice sounds forced throughout the film and he doesnt have the smooth presence Keaton had imo.

DocLathropBrown
02-14-2007, 06:19 PM
^I dont know how you come to that conclusion one thing most fans agree on, even the most die hard BB fans is that Keaton as Batman was far more natural then bale especially in the voice department even though they liked BB more as a film Bales voice sounds forced throughout the film and he doesnt have the smooth presence Keaton had imo.

Man, it's better for the commonwealth of SHH if you don't challenge a fan of BB. You'll start a war.

Palpadious
02-14-2007, 08:17 PM
This was an alternate take of Keaton's scene, but they didn't use it for some reason.

http://keatonbatman.ytmnd.com/

DocLathropBrown
02-14-2007, 09:20 PM
This was an alternate take of Keaton's scene, but they didn't use it for some reason.

http://keatonbatman.ytmnd.com/


HAHA! Brilliant!

BatScot
02-14-2007, 09:45 PM
to answer the question as posed... B89.

General Vulcun
02-14-2007, 11:01 PM
lol Batman'89 is so overrated. Anyway...ya, Begins easily.

First off, with Batman'89s scene, Batman watches the couple get mugged, but doesn't even try to help them in the moment; just lets the thugs get away with the money and follow them from there?! Stupid.

Then for no reason, he slowly decends from no where with his cape spread out like batwings...there are no thugs standing front of him directly, so who is he presenting this particular form to?! The audience?! Pfft, how lame.

Then instead of just knocking them out, he decides to play with them?! I mean, he could've just kicked their asses then and there like Batman would, but no...he has to make noises with the stones and then calmly wait until they decide to FINALLY turn around, just so he can present himself once again (this time, the thugs will see his presentation). Then he approaches them, they shoot him, and he plays dead?! What if Batman did that every time he approached a criminal; wait until they shoot him and play dead?! lol. Then, the muscle-less Keaton with the 70 pound Batsuit is somehow able to deliver a kick so powerful that the guy goes flying thru a wooden door (for a realistic character, how unrealistic). Then the other thug does a stupid thing and run across the roof rather than thru the door to get away (how would he possibly get away by running across the roof. The grappling hook didn't bother me so I wont touch that one, but once again, a muscle-less Keaton with a 70 pound Batsuit on is able to produce enough power and strength to lift an entire human being off the ground, and easily dangle him over the edge of a building (I'm not buying that for one second).

And with the "I'm Batman" part finally here, I'll say that the line had no impact, and Keaton spoke too softly; the actor playing the thug did fine.

The scene in Batman Begins was way better. First off, unlike Batman'89, Batman doesn't wait for the thugs to make thier moves, he just makes his move. The Batman in this scene actually hunts thugs like animals, rather than having the animals hunt him; this is very much like Batman.

Skipping ahead, at the part where he attacks all those thugs in that area at the docks; using the skills that The League taught him, he's able to quickly take down thugs as fast as he possibly can, but just because Bale is muscular and the Batsuit is light, doesn't mean he gets away without injuries; also realistic. The Batman in that scene doesn't hesitate, he acts.

Now Falcone, who's stranded with a knocked out driver (it must've been "HIM") and pretty scared to top it off, gets ripped thru the top car window and is face to face with Batman (knowing Keaton's Batman, he'd probably make noises until Falcone came out of the car, and then he'd present himself yet AGAIN! lol).

Cutting to the chase, Bale's delivery is brilliant; it's intense and makes Batman come across as very animalistic rather than simply a man (looks like theatricality is working), and to top it all off, instead of (like Keaton's Batman would do) allowing Falcone to make the first move, Batman gives him a quick headbutt (with a hell of an impact!), and instantly takes him out of the equation. And the music that accompanies the rest of the scene lets the audience know that this truly is the beginning of Batman.

As for "nice coat"...it didn't need to happen at all, but the zipping up with the grapple hook was pretty cool and very much like Batman.

So all in all (for me, at least), the "I'm Batman" scene in Begins is just very much the Batman in the comics (or as I say, the "Alpha and Omega of Batman"), and is very much an intense and effective first view of Batman.

To me, the Batman'89 "I'm Batman" scene is only popular because of nostalgia; fans saw it as kids, it tickled their tummies and made them go "weeeee", and they will forever love it because of that, etc. etc. etc. Judging both scenes from a film making point of view, and from the way Batman is drawn in the comics ("Alpha and Omega..."), the scene in Batman Begins just has a greater, longer lasting impact that I'd expect a character like Batman would and SHOULD have.

DocLathropBrown
02-15-2007, 12:08 AM
No, no bias there. Nosiree bob.

Fine evidence, by the way. Maybe you should be critiquing movies when you start acting like an adult. What you chose is not the problem, rather, how you chose it... using your bias to speak well of one thing and not another. Choosing to interpret the Burton material like an idiot sure makes your choice look good, doesn't it? You chose not to "get" anything Burton was doing.

lol Batman'89 is so overrated. Anyway...ya, Begins easily.

Overrated? Are you kidding me? Ever since Begins came out, you get more Burton bashing than anything else. With the rampent Begins bias among the populous of this board.... it makes B89 the clear candidate for "Underrated."

First off, with Batman'89s scene, Batman watches the couple get mugged, but doesn't even try to help them in the moment; just lets the thugs get away with the money and follow them from there?! Stupid.

Never let a 12 year old critique a film. What was implied by the wife's scream and Batman's subsequent reaction was that Batman ONLY heard the scream. He did not witness the crime (and from that height, how could he have seen the specifics?), and was nowhere near that particular alley. It was meant to be mythic, sure, Batman couldn't have possibly actually heard the scream all the way from the alley to the cathedral, but it's a mythic quality that comes directly from the books.

Then for no reason, he slowly decends from no where with his cape spread out like batwings...there are no thugs standing front of him directly, so who is he presenting this particular form to?! The audience?! Pfft, how lame.

Did it ever occur to you that he was gliding down with the cape? No, of course it didn't. You're intentionally missing this stuff because your anti-Burton... or you just have the thought processes of a 6 year old.

Then instead of just knocking them out, he decides to play with them?! I mean, he could've just kicked their asses then and there like Batman would, but no...he has to make noises with the stones and then calmly wait until they decide to FINALLY turn around, just so he can present himself once again (this time, the thugs will see his presentation). Then he approaches them, they shoot him, and he plays dead?! What if Batman did that every time he approached a criminal; wait until they shoot him and play dead?! lol.

Yup. You missed the entire point of the scene. Did you even TRY to pick up on a real film's nuainces? Bigger films are going to eat you alive with that great set of comprehesion skills you have there, kid. Batman was intentionally building himself up to them mythically to scare them. "I want you to tell all your friends about me." Could that mean.... yes! He was trying to get them to spread the word of his existance, just like the Batman of *gasp!* the comic books!

Then, the muscle-less Keaton...

You've never seen him shirtless, so I'd love to hear how you think you know this for a fact. Not to mention the fact that he'd have to be in impeccable shape to act through that suit. And he trained for two months prior to the movie.... no. You're right. Keaton's a 98-pound weakling. :whatever:

...with the 70 pound Batsuit is somehow able to deliver a kick so powerful that the guy goes flying thru a wooden door (for a realistic character, how unrealistic).

First of all, Keaton delivered this kick himself. Proven and documented. Second, it's simple physics, something you won't learn about until High School. If you kick somebody hard enough, they will fall (or fly, depending on the force applied) in the direction they were kicked. and not ALL wood is five feet thick, kid. Though the art of interpretation, we can thus assume that the door was made of a cheap and thin type of wood.

Then the other thug does a stupid thing and run across the roof rather than thru the door to get away (how would he possibly get away by running across the roof.

Criminals are stupid. That's why they're criminals. You're honestly picking on the scene for this? I think we've got a college thesis here, kids! When you wake up and see what the world is really like, then get back to me...

The grappling hook didn't bother me so I wont touch that one, but once again, a muscle-less Keaton with a 70 pound Batsuit on is able to produce enough power and strength to lift an entire human being off the ground, and easily dangle him over the edge of a building (I'm not buying that for one second).

Once again, simple physics. Keaton has muscle (Who was the guy who dictated that since Keaton was average height and average build, he must be a weakling?), and uses it via leverage to hold the guy over the edge of the roof. Ask your friends to help simulate this thoery sometime, you'll find it actually works!

And with the "I'm Batman" part finally here, I'll say that the line had no impact, and Keaton spoke too softly; the actor playing the thug did fine.

Gee, the line only caused a fan uproar that helped prove to the fans of the time that the film was being done seriously, it is also one of the best remembered movie lines in history and is still used to parody Michael Keaton to this day. And it inspired a scene in a little film called Batman Begins. No.... no impact at all. Too softly? That one's your opinion... I can't refute it, so I won't.

The scene in Batman Begins was way better. First off, unlike Batman'89, Batman doesn't wait for the thugs to make thier moves, he just makes his move. The Batman in this scene actually hunts thugs like animals, rather than having the animals hunt him; this is very much like Batman.

Says who? Do you know ANYTHING about Batman? I've been a faithful fan for 20 years.... Batman's never been animalistic in the comic books. It was entirely invented by Christopher Nolan. Batman has always allowed his image to make the criminals think he was a bat... he never went out of his way to act like an animal. Batman has also never just acted, Burton's scene is just as valid as Nolan's.

Skipping ahead, at the part where he attacks all those thugs in that area at the docks; using the skills that The League taught him, he's able to quickly take down thugs as fast as he possibly can, but just because Bale is muscular and the Batsuit is light, doesn't mean he gets away without injuries; also realistic. The Batman in that scene doesn't hesitate, he acts.

Where did you see Batman get injured in the fight? He doesn't. Look a little closer next time. Of course, you can hardly see the fight scenes, so I don't blame you, really. Once again, Michael Keaton was perfectly muscular (I'm certain that he could mop the floor with you). A man does not need to have a six pack to still be able to kick ass. If you can't believe this, then you need to get outside more often.

You draw a comparison.... where did Keaton's Batman hesitate? That's right.... never. At least, not in the scenes up for comparison.

And just to add insult to injury: there was no League for Keaton's Wayne. He was a self-taught badass.

Now Falcone, who's stranded with a knocked out driver (it must've been "HIM") and pretty scared to top it off, gets ripped thru the top car window and is face to face with Batman (knowing Keaton's Batman, he'd probably make noises until Falcone came out of the car, and then he'd present himself yet AGAIN! lol).

If Keaton did that, wouldn't he be fitting of THEATRICALITY and DECEPTION, something Bale was taught INTENSELY about? Gee, that's funny....

As for "nice coat"...it didn't need to happen at all, but the zipping up with the grapple hook was pretty cool and very much like Batman.

And nothing Keaton ever did was like the guy from the books. Ever.

So all in all (for me, at least), the "I'm Batman" scene in Begins is just very much the Batman in the comics.

Then, you need to actually read some Batman comic books.

To me, the Batman'89 "I'm Batman" scene is only popular because of nostalgia; fans saw it as kids, it tickled their tummies and made them go "weeeee"

Now THERE's an intelligent statement! Not only is it indicative of a child-trying-to-sound-like-an-adult, but it's foolish as well. Is that reason the same reason why mature fans (ie: 18+) all loved the film when it came out? I guess everybody who liked B89 is a stupid, childish person. That's what you're saying.

Judging both scenes from a film making point of view, and from the way Batman is drawn in the comics ("Alpha and Omega..."), the scene in Batman Begins just has a greater, longer lasting impact that I'd expect a character like Batman would and SHOULD have.

Yeah, nobody remembers B89. It was just a little blip on the radar. It wasn't one of the highest grossing films of all time or anything. It wasn't the #1 film of 1989, an enormous pop culture icon that is still parodied to this day and quoted ("Where does he get those wonderful toys?" was quoted frequently in relation to Batman Begins. There's a shocker). Gee, I'd almost think that Batman Begins would have never happened without B89.... Guess I was wrong, but what do I know?

Listen, if you want to pick Bale.... go ahead, I don't care. What I do care about is somebody with an obvious bias coming in and tearing down a film just because. You don't have to try and convince us that you going with Bale is how you actually feel. I mean, if you want to make a comparison, do it objectively, or at least come up with some reasons that don't make you look like an idiot with no comprehension skills, because that's all you succeeded in doing. I wish I didn't have to make this post, but I can't help it. There's some problem that Nolanites have. Burton's films were too sophisticated for the lot of them. I guess if we didn't have a movie holding our hand, we'd drown in the complexities.

General Vulcun
02-15-2007, 08:51 AM
Who says I'm a Nolanite? I'm always open to other interpretations of Batman, not just closed minded with "Nolan is best; that's it". Nolan just happened to make the best Batman film thus far, and it quite obviously shows. Is there anything wrong with THAT?! Or is it law that I must give in to nostalgia and like Batman'89 because it made a whole nation go "weeeeee" 17 years ago?

Also, yes, Bruce was hurt. Didn't you see the bruises on his arm the morning after? And by today's standards, it's too bad the scene (and the movie) is too dull to get into, enjoy, or really take seriously.

But hey, at least we got a better movie with The Joker coming in just over a year.

blind_fury
02-15-2007, 09:30 AM
No poll?

Probably because you know Keaton would dominate. :oldrazz:

DocLathropBrown
02-15-2007, 10:44 AM
Who says I'm a Nolanite? I'm always open to other interpretations of Batman, not just closed minded with "Nolan is best; that's it". Nolan just happened to make the best Batman film thus far, and it quite obviously shows. Is there anything wrong with THAT?! Or is it law that I must give in to nostalgia and like Batman'89 because it made a whole nation go "weeeeee" 17 years ago?

You missed the entire point of my post. I don't care what you chose. That you're own business. But your reasons for why the scene in B89 were inferior were pathetic and show no comprehension skills on your part whatsoever.

And telling us everything about Batman doesn't make it a good film. For all of the facts it brings, the film fails to capture the heart and soul of the source material, which Burton did. BB is stiff, simplistic and superficial.

Also, yes, Bruce was hurt. Didn't you see the bruises on his arm the morning after?

Ah, yes. There's that, but for the life of me, I can't see him get hit in the actual fight.

And by today's standards, it's too bad the scene (and the movie) is too dull to get into, enjoy, or really take seriously.

If you mean B89, I feel sorry for your obvious lack of maturity to appreciate such a character piece. If you mean BB, I heartily agree! ;)

But hey, at least we got a better movie with The Joker coming in just over a year.

Aside from Jack Nicholson being too old and too fat, you're no Batman fan at all if you can just denounce his performance like that. "Better?" By all accounts, it looks like Nolan is going to destroy the character and regurgitate him back on the screen being JINO. Jack Nicholson's portrayal was right-off-of-the-page. You can hardly get better than that. I'm all for a little difference from Nicholson in Ledger's portrayal, but it sounds like Nolan's making him as different as possible JUST to distance the film from what Nicholson did.... and that's disrespectful to the character. If the Joker's gonna feel like Nicholson anyway, you just deal with it. Nicholson did such a fine job as it is adapting the character, being too different from that means the Joker will hardly resemble the guy from the books.

But of course you wouldn't agree with that. To you, just about anything from B89 is inferior, so I'm really wasting my words.

Rockbottom
02-15-2007, 02:47 PM
I could make a huge post explaining this next statement but I dont really have to, General Vulcun is a moron and DocLathropBrown wins.

I love both films, but General has come across as an idiot in this thread.

daywalker2007
02-16-2007, 02:35 PM
keaton's all the way

i love the way he says straight after to the guy ,

"i want you tell all your friends about me"

and i absolutely love this line because its on the intro to the prince "future" song on the soundtrack

classic!

B89 rules!

Just a shame we never got a batman superman movie with keaton and reeve

would have been awesome that

bastards WB!