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Poeman

01-02-2006, 06:31 AM

Just caught this again, and i was hooked and overwhelmed by the films story and actors.. namely of course Al Pacino and Robert Deniro.. It really has one of the best ensemble casts and the best Character development in any film i have ever seen

that rememorable scene in the diner, the freakin shootout (Best shootouts i have ever seen and one of the longest) and the end while Pacino is holding Deniro's hand and Moby's God Moving over the face of waters plays had me teary eyed.. so powerful and now it creeps into my top 10 which is very hard to do

one of the most underrated films of all time as well for i NEVER HEAR anyone talking about this movie ... Micheal MANN is the FREAKIN MAN!
10/10

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Shuley

01-02-2006, 06:34 AM

Whoever said Heat was underrated? It was popular when I saw it in the theater since it paired up pacino and Deniro for the first time and features one of the best shootouts ever.Where you been?

Poeman

01-02-2006, 06:42 AM

i dont here anyone nowadays talking about it.. hell yeah i know it was built up as the biggest thing in cinema when it came out.. film is greatness

Sava

01-02-2006, 07:54 AM

i wouldnt call Heat underrated... but its a great film

Movies205

01-02-2006, 08:15 AM

What the hell is it with people now using the words "under-rated" and "over-rated", go get a dictionary and look up what these words actually mean :o

Carmine Falcone

01-02-2006, 08:47 AM

I wasn't fond of it when I first saw it........I should watch it again.

Rock Strongo

01-02-2006, 10:18 AM

Jim Gaffigan did a bit once that this thread reminds me of.

Where he saw heat, in like, 2000, and wanted to talk to his friends about it. So he'd go up to them and be like "so, I just saw HEAT" and they'd be like "Congratulations dude, I saw that in like...1996. ass" and just walk off. Cause he took wayyyy too long to see that movie. And thus, it's not a matter of rating, it's a matter of old news.

JLBats

01-02-2006, 10:36 AM

Heat is brilliant. One of my favourite recent films with a vague film noir feel to it, Mann is good with that kind of thing.

Cap1970

01-02-2006, 10:49 AM

Heat is a very good movie, but I thought it was pretty well received when it came out??

The Amazing Lee

01-02-2006, 11:25 AM

Star wars is SO under-rated. anyone ever checked it out?

:rolleyes::p

logan_weapon_x

01-02-2006, 11:27 AM

Heat is far from under-rated. It has two acting legends in the same film for the first time (if i'm not mistaken) and its quite renowned.

Wilhelm-Scream

01-02-2006, 11:29 AM

The most underrated film ever is PREDATOR 2.
Heat was very well received, got great reviews and did well financially I...think....despite the fact that it's 7 hours long.

Heat was the male equivalent of a chick-flick btw. A total whack-off.
That scene where DeNiro and Pacino are having coffee? SO embarrassing....they're just smirking the whole time "Yeah, drink it IN, movie-going public, that's right, you know you LOVE it! Bob and Al, tradin' riffs, HAha! Whoo"

And my friends and I got a life-long catch phrase from the movie.

"These guys are GOOD *grudging respect*.

Lol, whatever.

Stringer

01-02-2006, 11:31 AM

hell yeah Predator 2 is underrated people bash that movie left and right but its a pretty good sequel. Heat isnt underrated at all everyone, I know movie watchers or not, love the movie.

Rock Strongo

01-02-2006, 11:33 AM

Heat is far from under-rated. It has two acting legends in the same film for the first time (if i'm not mistaken) and its quite renowned.Godfather 2? Duh.

This was however the first time they shared the screen.

Wilhelm-Scream

01-02-2006, 11:35 AM

hell yeah Predator 2 is underrated people.Cool! You're one of the enlightened ones.

logan_weapon_x

01-02-2006, 11:36 AM

Godfather 2? Duh.

This was however the first time they shared the screen.

Yeah thats what I meant...duh :D

NOFX

01-02-2006, 11:38 AM

Micheal MANN is the FREAKIN MAN!
10/10
:up:

Wilhelm-Scream

01-02-2006, 11:41 AM

Yeah thats what I meant...duh :Dheh, really, it's like saying Marlon Brando and Kevin Spacey are finally gonna be in a movie together in Superman Returns.

logan_weapon_x

01-02-2006, 11:45 AM

It is? Ok it's the first time two legendary actors appeared in the same film, at the same time, speaking to each other. Happy Now!? :D

Wilhelm-Scream

01-02-2006, 11:50 AM

It is? Ok it's the first time two legendary actors appeared in the same film, at the same time, speaking to each other. Happy Now!? :DNo, :rolleyes:
I'm on your side.
I was talking to Rock Strongo.
You obviously meant, "working together" in a move as in, "in the same scenes".

Marlon Brando and Kevin Spacey will both appear in SR. Who cares.
Now if they were IN it together, that would be something.

logan_weapon_x

01-02-2006, 11:56 AM

Yeah, thats true, bit hard though, what with Brando being dead and all.

Rock Strongo

01-02-2006, 12:05 PM

No, :rolleyes:
I'm on your side.
I was talking to Rock Strongo.
You obviously meant, "working together" in a move as in, "in the same scenes".

Marlon Brando and Kevin Spacey will both appear in SR. Who cares.
Now if they were IN it together, that would be something.No, he pretty much said "wow, it's the first time these two big name actors have been in the SAME movie." which isn't true. He didn't say acting together to produce a better product.

logan_weapon_x

01-02-2006, 12:07 PM

No, he pretty much said "wow, it's the first time these two big name actors have been in the SAME movie." which isn't true. He didn't say acting together to produce a better product.

Yeah but now you're going into technicalities, when its obvious everyone knew what I meant.

Wilhelm-Scream

01-02-2006, 12:07 PM

Yeah, thats true, bit hard though, what with Brando being dead and all.Not with my arcane powers of necromancy. It's be a snap.

Rock Strongo

01-02-2006, 12:10 PM

Yeah but now you're going into technicalities, when its obvious everyone knew what I meant.No it's not. You pretty much made an ambiguos statement, I called you on it, then you shifted to a less ambiguos statement.

Galactus

01-02-2006, 12:12 PM

A good movie, but not underrated because I remember the critics were mostly positive about it. Maybe people feels it to be underrated because it didn't made a zillion dollars at the box office, but it isn't that kind of movie

VOGLER

01-02-2006, 12:16 PM

Great movie! That's a film I need on dvd.

Two-Face

01-02-2006, 12:17 PM

Darthphere

01-02-2006, 12:33 PM

First of all, Michael Mann IMO does not get the repect he deserves at times.

Second of all, hate to burst your bubbles but this famous Pacion/Deniro scene never actually happened both actors filmed the scene at different times and then were put together during editing.

Wilhelm-Scream

01-02-2006, 12:39 PM

Second of all, hate to burst your bubbles but this famous Pacion/Deniro scene never actually happened both actors filmed the scene at different times and then were put together during editing.HAha. Maybe that's a factor in it's hyped up suckitude.

p.s. I hate it when people say "HATE" to burst your bubble. You know you love doing it. :rolleyes::D

logan_weapon_x

01-02-2006, 12:39 PM

The bubble hasn't been burst. They filmed certain parts together which can be seen in the widescreen version, however some of the scene was not filmed together.

Darthphere

01-02-2006, 12:43 PM

Im talking about that one scene everyone keeps talking about. Do they even have more scenes together? Been a long time since i saw Heat.

logan_weapon_x

01-02-2006, 12:45 PM

The scene in the diner with them talking. At points its them on there own (visually on screen), then the camera pulls back and you can see they are both sitting at the table.

Darthphere

01-02-2006, 12:47 PM

They were never there together man. Seriously, ill find the article on it if you dont believe me.

logan_weapon_x

01-02-2006, 12:48 PM

Nah I believe you, but the article would be good.

Darthphere

01-02-2006, 12:52 PM

Ill get on it, while im searching, I remember my dad getting this on VHS and it was like 2 tapes, how long is this movie exactly?

logan_weapon_x

01-02-2006, 12:54 PM

171 mins.

And I found this at ImDb:

Many viewers claim that Deniro and Pacino never (or hardly ever) actually share screen time during the film, despite the hype surrounding the films release as showcasing their first screen appearance. In most Pan and Scan versions of the film, and TV broadcasts, it does appear that during the "diner scene" the two never actually share the screen, but viewing the film in correct letterbox format, as the director intended, clearly shows the two actors sitting at the table, though only in wide shots.

Darthphere

01-02-2006, 01:12 PM

Hmmm that pretty much argues both our points. Still why only wide-shots?

PuMpKiN EsCoBaR

01-02-2006, 01:22 PM

Heat is awesome :up: and so is Predator 2 :up: :D

Poeman

01-02-2006, 02:51 PM

There is commentary by Mann about the scene, he purprosely did that.. and the thing is they both were there at the scene and the restuarant which it was filmed at says they saw it for their own eyes, for they were the only extras at the part working from the place

Poeman

01-02-2006, 02:53 PM

What the hell is it with people now using the words "under-rated" and "over-rated", go get a dictionary and look up what these words actually mean :o

The film is underrated in the sense as people dont bring it up as one of their top favorite movies

Wilhelm-Scream

01-02-2006, 03:13 PM

and the thing is they both were there at the scene and the restuarant which it was filmed at says they saw it for their own eyes, for they were the only extras at the part working from the placeThis is one of the more puzzling-ass sentences I've seen on the Hype.
Thanks for the chuckle. :)

the red part = sounds almost Shakespearean! :up:

Poeman

01-02-2006, 04:09 PM

This is one of the more puzzling-ass sentences I've seen on the Hype.
Thanks for the chuckle. :)

the red part = sounds almost Shakespearean! :up:

haha

that made me laugh as well now

Hades

01-02-2006, 05:53 PM

Val Kilmer in a good film? Suprising...

The Amazing Lee

01-02-2006, 05:57 PM

Val Kilmer in a good film? Suprising...

I am not drunk! :mad::p

Hades

01-02-2006, 06:01 PM

I am not drunk! :mad::p
...Are you cyber stalking me?

The Amazing Lee

01-02-2006, 06:02 PM

...Are you cyber stalking me?

Maybe. ;):D

I;ve sent you a part of me in the post :)

patrickbateman

01-02-2006, 06:12 PM

Love Young Natalie Portman In This Movie

Poeman

01-02-2006, 06:22 PM

some say this was Val kilmers best role

Mann wanted him to play Det. Fanning in Collateral, but couldnt because of conflicts with his schedule cause he was too busy filming that trash called Alexander

The Amazing Lee

01-02-2006, 07:01 PM

Collateral>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Alexander.

Poeman

01-02-2006, 07:32 PM

yeah seriously

Phaser

01-02-2006, 08:04 PM

Second of all, hate to burst your bubbles but this famous Pacion/Deniro scene never actually happened both actors filmed the scene at different times and then were put together during editing.

Wrong. Dead wrong. I have the region 2 Two Disc Special Edition and there's a whole feature devoted solely to the diner scene titled "Pacino and De Niro: The Conversation". And yes, both of them were in that scene together. The whole scene was actually shot from a variety of angles and the performances by both the actors was very much reactive and spontaneous because Mann didn't allow any rehearsals.

Here's what Mann says about the scene: "I wanted to shoot two over simultaneously. So when Al is talking to Bob, there's one camera here and by a hair's breath out of the frame there's a camera on the other side so that consequently, I could get the unity of performance, so that take 11 for Al was take 11 for Bob"

Dante Spinotti, the editor: "We also shot the high angle, we also shot the two profile shots that were not used in the movie. We had different kind of setups. We had definitely singles, tight overs, wider overs on both sides. Most of them shot at the same time."

Mann continues, "They were so tuned to each other and so totally in character that the subtlest shift of posture by Bob or the subtlest cocking of his head or certain thing that might happen with the side of his face, Pacino was reacting to and countering. Each take had a separate, unifying, organic something to it. Each was different from the other. The people who probably appreciated that scene more than anybody else are the editors and myself because we got to see..."here they are in take 10, in take 11, here they are in take 12. Most of the whole scene is from take 11."

Aside from all that, there are also certain moments during the diner scene when the camera is focused on De Niro, you can clearly make out Pacino slightly shifting his head towards the right.

Octoberist

01-04-2006, 12:22 PM

It's the damn best movie out there, with two movie icons.

Killgore

01-04-2006, 12:41 PM

It's the damn best movie out there, with two movie icons.
You're forgetting How the West Was Fun with Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen. Ironically, they did not film their scenes together, but were filmed separately and put together through editing.

Octoberist

01-04-2006, 12:43 PM

Slipped my mind :p

Wilhelm-Scream

01-04-2006, 01:02 PM

You're forgetting How the West Was Fun with Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen. Ironically, they did not film their scenes together, but were filmed separately and put together through editing.Lol, you making me laugh with that, champ.

\S/JcDc\S/

01-04-2006, 03:38 PM

Poeman

01-04-2006, 06:49 PM

Lol close this. Just because it's the first time YOU saw it, doesn't mean that your lapse in judgement to watch it a lonnnnnnng time ago means the film is underrated. That was your choice to ignore it until now. Most of us have enjoyed this movie for years and have it in our collection. :)

Btw Raging Bull is ignored on this forum far more than Heat is imo :down

no dude ive seen it before... and i dont consider Raging Bull underrated because many people praise it as one of their best films ever.. i dont understand how Heat is overlooked like that

Wilhelm-Scream

01-04-2006, 07:36 PM

It's a freaking cops and robbers heist movie that's 3 hours long...not "crap", but, what's so impressive about it?

Mentok

01-08-2006, 06:06 AM

Yeah, great film and the main reason I will walk blindly into a cinema if the words "MICHAEL MANN" appear before a films title.

logan_weapon_x

01-08-2006, 08:45 AM

Btw Raging Bull is ignored on this forum far more than Heat is imo :down

I got that on dvd for Christmas.

Poeman

10-26-2006, 07:03 PM

just saw this amazin movie again

블라스

10-26-2006, 07:09 PM

I've never actually seen this :(

The Chairman

10-26-2006, 07:26 PM

Heat is fantastic. I fell asleep when I first saw it, but watched it again and really got to experience how great it truly is. Great action sequences, fantastic acting all around, brilliant story, and just really damn good movie. I do have one question, though:

Is it ever actually revelaed if Portman's character dies? I never caught whether or not she did. Maybe I missed it.

livrule

10-26-2006, 07:37 PM

It's a freaking cops and robbers heist movie that's 3 hours long...not "crap", but, what's so impressive about it?

Its not Predator 2!

NOFX

10-26-2006, 07:43 PM

The Chairman

10-26-2006, 07:44 PM

She lived! She ended up doing the Star Wars prequels remember?

Haha. Seriously though, did she live or die? I never heard it fully explained.

NOFX

10-26-2006, 07:51 PM

Haha. Seriously though, did she live or die? I never heard it fully explained.
They never say...

The Chairman

10-26-2006, 07:52 PM

They never say...

Oh. Thank you.

Stringer

10-26-2006, 07:52 PM

The Doctor says shes in stable condition. then the mom says "So shes going to be ok" and the doctor says yes.

NOFX

10-26-2006, 07:55 PM

The Doctor says shes in stable condition. then the mom says "So shes going to be ok" and the doctor says yes.
Deleted scene? I dont recall that.

The Chairman

10-26-2006, 07:57 PM

The Doctor says shes in stable condition. then the mom says "So shes going to be ok" and the doctor says yes.

Well, that's good to know. :up::up:

Stringer

10-26-2006, 07:58 PM

I dont think its a deleted scene but its in there. Its said during the scene when shes sitting down with Pacino and he tells her shes not the man she wants.

NOFX

10-26-2006, 07:59 PM

I dont think its a deleted scene but its in there. Its said during the scene when shes sitting down with Pacino and he tells her shes not the man she wants.
Yea I remember that scene but I dont recall a doctor telling them the good news. I guess ill take your word for it.

Stringer

10-26-2006, 08:02 PM

I may be insane but no way I am insane enough to create lines of dialogue in my head for a movie. At least I hope not:huh:

Poeman

10-29-2006, 01:06 AM

this is the kind of movie made for guys
pure badass

Max J Power

10-29-2006, 01:15 AM

I haven't seen it, but I proably will soon. After I get a VCR, I'm going to buy a tape of Heat from this store that sells tapes for $1.50.

NOFX

10-29-2006, 01:17 AM

I haven't seen it, but I proably will soon. After I get a VCR, I'm going to buy a tape of Heat from this store that sells tapes for $1.50.
LOL! What is this 1995?:D

ultimatefan

10-29-2006, 05:51 AM

Heat is one of these great movies that go somewhat unnoticed by the time of the release but grows and grows over time.