Superman Lives-Cancelled 1998 Movie

["Iron Man"]

en.wikipedia.org/Wiki/Superman_Lives

Think they might use it for a "Returns" sequel?

Sounds like it'd be a good "Man of Steel" movie.

[dr collossus]

Don't think it will be used, Smith's script is a bit too geeky for the mainstream market. Also, the Death/Return story would need to take place over several movies, although I do think the Superman pretenders idea from Return would have been a better setting for 'Returns than the whole 'The world doesn't need Superman Anymore' thing.

[boywonder13]

They could use the title but not the story.

THat is what Tony...I mean "Iron Man" thinks :)

That is a great ttitle but I doubt it could fit a story for it. They coulds till use it though.

[JackBauer]

en.wikipedia.org/Wiki/Superman_Lives

Think they might use it for a "Returns" sequel?

Sounds like it'd be a good "Man of Steel" movie.

everything about Superman Lives sucked ass. thank god nothing ever came of it.

[Catman]

Did anyone read this: http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm

It's like an expanded version of Cinescape's article on the film.

[JackBauer]

Did anyone read this: http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm

It's like an expanded version of Cinescape's article on the film.

I already knew about that before, but I read anyway. it's a good read, but like some pointed out on that thread, the guy is just plain f***in wrong when he says there were many people supporting this.

[Kevin Roegele]

I'd love to see Superman Lives! and especially Cage as Superman, just because they'd be so different to the norm.

[boywonder13]

Yeah Nicolas Cage's Superman would have been interesting.

He must really have wanted to do it since he named his son Kal-El and stuff.

Some of the Superman Lives/Reborn ideas were pretty good they were just written poorly.

[Kevin Roegele]

Yeah Nicolas Cage's Superman would have been interesting.

He must really have wanted to do it since he named his son Kal-El and stuff.

Some of the Superman Lives/Reborn ideas were pretty good they were just written poorly.

I think some of it would have been insane genius - Burton's approach to Superman as a confused alien who cannot cope with his messiah status, everyone wanting him, trying to touch him, begging for him to bless their sick child, all the time. That would have been fascinating.

And Cage as Superman. How could you not want to see that? Whether it's true to the comics or not....Cage as Superman!!

The bad stuff would inevitably the story, or lack of it with Burton, the action - not Burton's strong point either - and the nonsense John Peters shoe-horned in.

Superman Lives! would have been a spectacular, mezmerizing, unique mess.

[JackBauer]

And Cage as Superman. How could you not want to see that?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/gmmflu/cagesupes.jpg

does that answer your question? ;)

[Kevin Roegele]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/gmmflu/cagesupes.jpg

does that answer your question? ;)

LOL, no, Cage has several really weird and cool suits made for him, and a traditional red and blue suit, 90's style, and he actually did costume fittings so there are photographs in existance of (more-or-less) what he would have looked like as Superman.

[pwl4life]

Maybe it's just that manip but I dont think Cage would've done Superman justice. I do like some of what got out on Superman Lives (the logo especially) before it got canned though

here are some of what got into production before the project was abandoned.
Supes in his battle armor
http://www.superman-v.com/images/Superman_battle.jpg

and this was going to be the official logo, not the one on the poster (kinda like how the symbol on the poster is different than the one reeve actually wore )
http://www.superman-v.com/images/gilroyslives.jpg

concept art
http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/small_haraldbelker_supermanlivesconcept.jpg

the teaser poster (movie got far enough into production that dozens of these were shipped to movie theatures before the plug got pulled)
http://www.supermansupersite.com/images/livesposter.jpg

Kevin Smith's script for those who would like to read it
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/2181/smith.txt

[Kevin Roegele]

I remember printing out the entire Smith script at college - on college paper, on college time, lol - and telling the helpful librarian that it was okay, I wrote it for English Lit. She knew my name was Kevin so believed me. Oh, those were golden years.

[JackBauer]

LOL, no, Cage has several really weird and cool suits made for him, and a traditional red and blue suit, 90's style, and he actually did costume fittings so there are photographs in existance of (more-or-less) what he would have looked like as Superman.

the costumes might've looked good (not the ones I've seen though, like Frankensupes), but Cage just doesn't look like Superman to me. it's just not there. hell, the guy has a major hairline problem, and when they try to fix it (like in Ghost Rider) it looks ridiculously obvious!

[Catman]

I have mixed feelings towards the project. Tim Burton came up with some great visuals but when your read about the plot and all that it sounds horrible. With a better script it could have been an awesome film. But, oh well, we're getting Superman Returns which will most likely be an awesome film. Hopefully they will atleast cover this all history on DVD. It will be great if they got interviews from Kevin Smith and Tim Burton. On the B89 DVD they had interviews with Tom Mankewich and Sean Young who were only involved with the project for a short time.

[JackBauer]

I have mixed feelings towards the project. Tim Burton came up with some great visuals but when your read about the plot and all that it sounds horrible. With a better script it could have been an awesome film. But, oh well, we're getting Superman Returns which will most likely be an awesome film. Hopefully they will atleast cover this all history on DVD. It will be great if they got interviews from Kevin Smith and Tim Burton. On the B89 DVD they had interviews with Tom Mankewich and Sean Young who were only involved with the project for a short time.

hell, with all the history behind this project, they could make a whole movie out of it, a la Lost In La Mancha.

[Catman]

Lost in la Mancha? Wasn't that the Johnny Depp film? Well that's different because they actually had footage. I doubt they have any footage, man.

[Catman]

Lost in la Mancha? Wasn't that the Johnny Depp film? Well that's different because they actually had footage. I doubt they have any footage, man.

[JackBauer]

Lost in la Mancha? Wasn't that the Johnny Depp film? Well that's different because they actually had footage. I doubt they have any footage, man.

it's the same thing. it's a documentary about failed attempts to get a movie done. in Lost In La Mancha's case, Terry Gilliam's attempts to make The Man Who Killed Dom Quixote.

["Iron Man"]

I think Superman Lives could've been good, especially with Burton, Smith, and Cage all involved.

[SingItWithMeNow]

read the first few bits.... dont like it

[misternorth79]

That movie would have probably destoyed any chances of a new Superman franchise starting.

It would be nice if they have pictures of Cage dressed as Superman on the SR DVD. They need to put them out into the world in some way, shape, or form.

[Monstera]

Burton and Jon Peters don't have a ****ing clue about what makes Superman great. i can't really stand Kevin Smith, either, but i appreciate his love for the character and the bull***** he had to go through on this project. what a ****ing mess this thing would've been. glad it got *****-canned.

also, lol at that nic cage expression. the guys behind that manip must've had it in for Cage as Superman.

[STC]

Supes in his battle armor
http://www.superman-v.com/images/Superman_battle.jpg



I read somewhere that this is Superman's official suit for Superman Lives.
I do like this costume, it looks pretty cool.:up:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Is it me, or does Cage look like the "Evil" Drunk Superman from Superman III?

[pwl4life]

I read somewhere that this is Superman's official suit for Superman Lives.
I do like this costume, it looks pretty cool.:up:

Supes was going to have the traditional red,blue and yellow suit from the comics for the begining of the movie, and this was going to be the suit used for the end. basically in the script the eradicator was almost like a living being he would wear like a suit (think venom almost) and this suit minus the cape and "S" was what he'd be wearing after he seperated from the eradicator, eraticator would sacrifice himself and throw the sharp poned \S/ and it would attach to the front of the suit and then supes would fly and grab the cape from the Superman memorial statue and thus he'd end up looking like this for the final battle.

["Iron Man"]

I like the black suit a little bit, but I'd go with traditional red/blue/yellow.

[Wally West]

Thanks for posting Kevin Smith's script pwl4life. There's alot I'd change, but it definitely had it's moments. The best part was that there were 3 dc supervillians in addition to Lex, I liked the brief scene in the first act with Deadshot in particular. Batman's speach at the funeral was a nice touch also, though I'd have been more subtle and used Bruce Wayne instead.

Only one thing that really bothered me. Who the F#<% is L-ron and why does a space robot continually throw out cheesy oneliners laced with contemporary Earth slang? I'll take Otis from the original Superman films any day, although I'm not a big fan of giving villians or thier henchmen/sidekicks a significant share of a film's comic relief.

[spencer6891]

Is it me, or does Cage look like the "Evil" Drunk Superman from Superman III?

Not evil, just drunk.

[JackBauer]

Only one thing that really bothered me. Who the F#<% is L-ron and why does a space robot continually throw out cheesy oneliners laced with contemporary Earth slang? I'll take Otis from the original Superman films any day, although I'm not a big fan of giving villians or thier henchmen/sidekicks a significant share of a film's comic relief.

blame Jon Peters... simple as that.

[biggles2000uk]

blame Jon Peters... simple as that.

yeh, he wanted a gay robot, polar bears and superman not to fly.

Kevin smith will actully sign copies of that script with the message "F*@K Jon Peters, Love Kevin Smith"

[dr collossus]

Is L-Ron the alien who gen-enged Doomsday?

[dr collossus]

Scratch that. Just checked - its Bertron.

[WhatsHisFace]

You people want to see Nicholas Cage play Superman yet despise Brandon Routh?

You're all despicable.

[dr collossus]

You people want to see Nicholas Cage play Superman yet despise Brandon Routh?

You're all despicable.

Don't be ridiculous. The only person who wants to see Nicholas Cage play Superman is Nicholas Cage. And I don't know about anyone else but I've never met Brandon Routh so how could I possibly despise him?

[Bizzybone]

Didn't superman die by the hands of doomsday?

[pwl4life]

yup, doomsday was the one that killed Superman

[pwl4life]

Here's a great site with tons of information on Superman Lives

http://www.kal-el.org/SL/

enjoy.

[SingItWithMeNow]

"In fact, the fans did a total 180 and started supporting the script, proclaiming that change is good and so long as Superman himself stays the same personality-wise, any change WB makes is OK by them. Pretty soon, those opposed to the "re-imagining" were reduced to a much-mocked and derided minority. (The fans also started voicing claims that the traditional Superman "has had enough of a chance and is now a failure," and that these changes were just what the doctor ordered to make the character a sensation again. Any criticisms of the project were condemned by the fans as ignorant, ignoble, needlessly negative and faithless, and "being afraid of change." Worse still, many fans adopted the attitude that anyone unhappy enough with WB’s plans to avoid the Superman movie has no right to utter one word of complaint about the project, that you can only complain about the movie so long as you go to see it anyway—in simpler language, you must be a two-faced, spineless WB tool in order for your opinions to be respected."
http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm
Is This true? Who of you liked JJ Abrams/McG's vision?

[theBat-Man]

Tim Burton's Superman Lives, loosley based on the Death and Return of Superman comics, would have been awesome. Joel Schumacher's Warner Brothers film Batman & Robin in 1997 killed the Superman Lives movie. Superman Lives was going to be an expensive movie and Warner Brothers executives were afraid after Schumacher screwed up the Batman franchise. Warner Brothers were cautious. It was going to be an expensive movie. So at the time in 1997 Warner Brothers had a choice. Superman Lives or Wild Wild West directed by Barry Sonnenfeld and starring Will Smith, and Jon Peter's and Warner Brothers opted for that and canned this one. Warner Brothers chairman Bob Dailey said "When the budget started geting out of control, thats when we decided to pull the plug." Designer Bradford Richardson said "I came into work the Monday after Batman & Robin had premiered and the plug had been pulled on our project." Superman Lives script was written by Kevin Smith, Wesley Strick and Dan Gilroy (adding a slightly darker version of Kevin Smith's script), Tim Burton directing, Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor, Courtney Cox as Lois Lane and Nicolas Cage as Superman.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/nick1.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/?)
Pre-production art for Superman Lives when Tim Burton was working on the project.
http://www.supermansupersite.com/ddheads.jpghttp://www.supermansupersite.com/dd01.jpg
http://www.supermansupersite.com/sm01.jpg
Braniac's alien tech suit.
http://www.rolfmohr.com/Brainiac.JPG

["Iron Man"]

cool stuff Batman...cool stuff

[theBat-Man]

Thank you.

[Monstera]

Doomsday looks like ass and the Brainiac suit is uninspired Alien Queen *****.

[boywonder13]

I think Doomsday looked pretty good he just looks a lot different than the comic version. He has no "bony protousions".

Darn I really wanted tos ee a Superman Movie in 1998. That would have been cool. Instead of wating 8 more years! :(

[theBat-Man]

Doomsday looks like ass and the Brainiac suit is uninspired Alien Queen *****.

:rolleyes: Heh.
Superman Lives would have been totally new and different for a Superman film and awesome in my opinion.
Maybe Superman Returns uninspired Superman The Movie nostalgia, with the old John Williams score re-used and the old Marlon Brando lines (from the dead) and so on, will be more to your likeing.
http://www.corriere.fantascienza.com/imgbank/NEWS/brando-jor-el.jpg

[theBat-Man]

Who of you liked JJ Abrams/McG's vision?


Not I. JJ Abrams/McG's Superman FlyBy project (2001-03), where Krypton doesn't explode and is just like Naboo in Star Wars, Jimmy is gay, Superman fights using Matrix-style martial arts and Luthor is in the CIA, can fly and also fights using Matrix-style martial arts, and so on, would have not been a Superman movie at all. Just a Star Wars/Matrix rip-off. JJ Abrams script changed way to much Superman mythology. McG wanted Johnny Depp as Luthor, Topher Grace as gay Jimmy, Selma Blair as Lois and Henry Cavill as Superman.
Look, it's a Star Wars rip-off Krypton cloud car (Superman FlyBy art):
http://www.a-arca.com/v2/images/pipoca_news_supermanreturns_desenhosdeproducao02.j pg
http://www.kal-el.org/flyby/top.gif

[White_Howling]

Nick Cage right after he did con air.. he was buff as ball. also that was the same time period when superman had long hair.. so yeah it could have worked

[DocLathropBrown]

Sorry, as much as I like Tim Burton..... he's not the right guy at all for Superman. The article presented makes Burton out to be an ass. He's not. But he's easily pushed around, and with John Peters, that's not a good idea to have Burton around, because Peters will get Burton to think that his crap is a good idea.

Now, Burton was great for Batman (Even with the variation he brought to the character) because what Burton likes is naturally in sync with what Batman generally is. But Burton was going to try to make Superman into Batman with powers. And that doesn't work. Superman is supposed to be the polar opposite of Batman.

Thank goodness this didn't get made. Burton's stuff would be great for an Elseworlds graphic novel.... but not a movie. Superman films must be approached as Richard Donner did, and that's what Bryan Singer is doing.

[LostSon88]

:rolleyes: Heh.
Superman Lives would have been totally new and different for a Superman film and awesome in my opinion.
Maybe Superman Returns uninspired Superman The Movie nostalgia, with the old John Williams score re-used and the old Marlon Brando lines (from the dead) and so on, will be more to your likeing.

No...a Superman movie more to my liking is one that's faithful and respectful to who Superman is and what he symbolizes.

I'll take this:
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/superman_returns/brandon_routh/supes2.jpg
Over this:
http://www.kal-el.org/SL/supermanrebornLoRes.jpg

Any day of the week. :up:

[JackBauer]

are you guys seriously saying Nic Cage could have made a good Superman? this is a no-brainer: HE IS BALDING FOR F***S SAKE!!! AND LOOKS RIDICULOUS WITH A WIG!!!! (say hello to "Johnny Blaze")

and bat-man, I suggest you watch that Kevin Smith video. Superman Lives "would have been totally new and different for a Superman film" just as well as Abrams' version. if "new and different" is that Superman Scissorhands crap, I'll stick to a " uninspired Superman The Movie nostalgia". at least that's Superman.

[theBat-Man]

are you guys seriously saying Nic Cage could have made a good Superman? this is a no-brainer: HE IS BALDING FOR F***S SAKE!!! AND LOOKS RIDICULOUS WITH A WIG!!!! (say hello to "Johnny Blaze")

That's the same thing they said about Micheal Keaton before Batman came out. "He is balding and looks nothing like Batman/Bruce Wayne!"

and bat-man, I suggest you watch that Kevin Smith video. Superman Lives "would have been totally new and different for a Superman film" just as well as Abrams' version. if "new and different" is that Superman Scissorhands crap, I'll stick to a " uninspired Superman The Movie nostalgia". at least that's Superman.

Here is a review of the final script of Superman Lives by Dan Gilroy that Tim Burton wanted to film. http://www.superman-v.com/reviews/gilroy.php
It is not Superman Scissorhands. It's a slightly darker, more serious version of Kevin Smith's script. The Burton version is just Smith's story void of all the to comic-booky, ultra-fanboy, silly wink-wink aspects and tongue-in-cheek moments.
http://www.kal-el.org/SL/topsmall.gif

[Dangerous]

Intteresting

[JackBauer]

That's the same thing they said about Micheal Keaton before Batman came out. "He is balding and looks nothing like Batman/Bruce Wayne!"

and guess what? those movies SUCKED!! :down


Here is a review of the final script of Superman Lives by Dan Gilroy that Tim Burton wanted to film. http://www.superman-v.com/reviews/gilroy.php
It is not Superman Scissorhands. It's a slightly darker, more serious version of Kevin Smith's script. The Burton version is just Smith's story void of all the to comic-booky, ultra-fanboy, silly wink-wink aspects and tongue-in-cheek moments.
http://www.kal-el.org/SL/topsmall.gif

you mean it's not Superman? riiiiight... :down

[JackBauer]

and btw, Bat-Man, how about actually reading the script yourself if you're going to defend it, instead of just doing a c&p job on a review of it? one you apparently forgot to read, mind you, because it isn't even favourable to it.

LEXIAC: "Back off, bro."

that's B&R and CINO material right there... :rolleyes:

"THE END. THANK GOD.

I really don't know what else to say. It speaks for itself. Between this and BIG FISH, I've pretty much lost respect for Tim Burton and it's a wonder Dan Gilroy is still working today."

isn't it easy?

[swifty]

Maybe it's just that manip but I dont think Cage would've done Superman justice. I do like some of what got out on Superman Lives (the logo especially) before it got canned though

here are some of what got into production before the project was abandoned.
Supes in his battle armor
http://www.superman-v.com/images/Superman_battle.jpg

and this was going to be the official logo, not the one on the poster (kinda like how the symbol on the poster is different than the one reeve actually wore )
http://www.superman-v.com/images/gilroyslives.jpg

concept art
http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/small_haraldbelker_supermanlivesconcept.jpg

the teaser poster (movie got far enough into production that dozens of these were shipped to movie theatures before the plug got pulled)
http://www.supermansupersite.com/images/livesposter.jpg

Kevin Smith's script for those who would like to read it
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/2181/smith.txt



we want Superman not the Borg!!!!

but Supes Borg costume does look interesting!!!! Very different!!!

[theBat-Man]

and btw, Bat-Man, how about actually reading the script yourself if you're going to defend it, instead of just doing a c&p job on a review of it? one you apparently forgot to read, mind you, because it isn't even favourable to it.

LEXIAC: "Back off, bro."

that's B&R and CINO material right there... :rolleyes:

"THE END. THANK GOD.

I really don't know what else to say. It speaks for itself. Between this and BIG FISH, I've pretty much lost respect for Tim Burton and it's a wonder Dan Gilroy is still working today."

isn't it easy?

I did actually read the review. Even with the Burton/Gilroy changes the reviewer still didn't care for Kevin Smith's story. It would have been an awesome film in my opinion. It's actually based on the comics, the Death and Return of Superman comics, and I'd love Superman with lots of sci-fi, weird aliens, all in one movie directed by Tim Burton.
More pre-production art for Superman Lives when Tim Burton was working on the project:
Braniac's Skull Ship
http://www.kal-el.org/SL/SUPMN03.jpghttp://www.kal-el.org/SL/supes3.jpg
Inside Brainiac's Skull Ship
http://www.kal-el.org/SL/3130066_main.jpg
The Fortress of Solitude
http://www.kal-el.org/SL/fortressofsolitudeLoRes.jpg

[JackBauer]

I did actually read the review. Even with the Burton/Gilroy changes the reviewer still didn't care for Kevin Smith's story. It would have been an awesome film in my opinion. It's actually based on the comics, the Death and Return of Superman comics, and I'd love Superman with lots of sci-fi, weird aliens, all in one movie directed by Tim Burton.


see, there's one of the MANY problems right there... the Death and Return saga was bad enough in the comics, but cramming it into a movie is an even worse idea. I mean, who the hell are you trying to fool? we KNOW he's not gonna stay dead!! it's just plain stupid to waste time with a ludicrous death story when we all know it's gonna lead nowhere.

also, Superman isn't about "lots of sci-fi" and "weird aliens". it's about a little more than that. ;)
Tim Burton just doesn't fit for Superman. he was a good fit for Batman (theoretically, cause the movie could VERY easily be shred to pieces), NOT for Superman.

[Dangerous]

I like how Burton was insisting Keaton play Bats, would have been awesome to see the midget done the cape and cowl one last time.

[JackBauer]

That's the same thing they said about Micheal Keaton before Batman came out. "He is balding and looks nothing like Batman/Bruce Wayne!"

BIG difference: a) Batman's human, so him balding isn't nearly an issue as it is with Superman (though it IS an issue because Bruce Wayne is supposed to be in peak physical condition); and b) there's a cowl to cover that balding head.

[theBat-Man]

BIG difference: a) Batman's human, so him balding isn't nearly an issue as it is with Superman (though it IS an issue because Bruce Wayne is supposed to be in peak physical condition); and b) there's a cowl to cover that balding head.

LOL. Micheal Keaton had enough hair to play Batman/Bruce Wayne.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/keaton1.jpg
Nic Cage had enough hair to play Superman.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/cage2.jpg

[JackBauer]

too bad he didn't look like that in 97... :o

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/gmmflu/cagesupes.jpg

[theBat-Man]

too bad he didn't look like that in 97...

LOL, you know that pic is just Cage's head on Reeve's body.
In 1997 Cage had enough hair for Superman. They could just style his hair and give him the little curl. No need for a wig.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/niccage111.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/?)http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/116_4_1001.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/?)

[cryptic name]

BIG difference: a) Batman's human, so him balding isn't nearly an issue as it is with Superman (though it IS an issue because Bruce Wayne is supposed to be in peak physical condition); and b) there's a cowl to cover that balding head.

keaton was NOT balding, and the burton batman films were at least as good as superman I and II.

[theBat-Man]

I'll take this:
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/superman_returns/brandon_routh/supes2.jpg
Over this:
http://www.kal-el.org/SL/supermanrebornLoRes.jpg

Any day of the week. :up:

That's just concept art for the Kryptonian suit that he would wear after his resurrection when he is virtually powerless. Then the K suit would disintegrate to reveal Superman in an update of his traditional blue suit.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/nick1.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/?)

[theBat-Man]

see, there's one of the MANY problems right there... the Death and Return saga was bad enough in the comics, but cramming it into a movie is an even worse idea. I mean, who the hell are you trying to fool? we KNOW he's not gonna stay dead!! it's just plain stupid to waste time with a ludicrous death story when we all know it's gonna lead nowhere.

Kevin Smith said Warner Brothers wanted the 'Death of' storyline so he made a version of that storyline.

also, Superman isn't about "lots of sci-fi" and "weird aliens". it's about a little more than that. ;)

And theres more then lots of sci-fi and weird aliens in the script to Superman Lives. Superman is about truth and justice. Hope. Saving people. That's all in the Burton/Gilroy Superman Lives script. Superman saves dozens of children and Lois's niece in the elevators at Lexcorp. Superman saves a kid from a burning building. Superman saves Lois from Brainiac. Superman even gives a speech about how his place is here on earth, this is his home, these are his people, etc. that is faithful and respectful to who Superman is and what he symbolizes.

Tim Burton just doesn't fit for Superman. he was a good fit for Batman (theoretically, cause the movie could VERY easily be shred to pieces), NOT for Superman.

Tim Burton can make lighter films like Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Also Tim Burton's dark style can fit for Superman. I love the Fleischer's Superman animation from 1941-1944 and the first 26 episodes of the Adventures of Superman TV show from 1951 with the dark, shadowy Film Noir style. Very atmospheric. Every Superman film does not have to be light and campy like the Donner films with Clark Kent bubbling like Jerry Lewis, the Luthor and Otis Abbott and Costello routines.

[torkibe]

I would have loved to see what Kevin Smith would have done if he were given complete control over his own script, as well as directing it. He is such a huge comics fan, that I think he would have been even truer to the Superman storyline than 1 and 2, and would have written a kick ass movie.

[LostSon88]

I think one of the problems WB had with Smith's script was that it was TOO Comic-booky as in he had far to many fanboy references that the general population would'nt have understood. It was the ULTIMATE Fan-boy Superman movie, however becasue of that, it was seen as difficult to market to the general population. There were a lot of things they felt that only WE would've been able to get whilst everyone else would've been like "what?" :confused: .

[torkibe]

I think one of the problems WB had with Smith's script was that it was TOO Comic-booky as in he had far to many fanboy references that the general population would'nt have understood. It was the ULTIMATE Fan-boy Superman movie, however becasue of that, it was seen as difficult to market to the general population. There were a lot of things they felt that only WE would've been able to get whilst everyone else would've been like "what?" :confused: .

I'm sure that's true. But Kevin Smith has a way of working his inside stuff into a script in such a way, that even if you don't get the underlying meaning (like all the little subtle references he makes to other characters from his other movies) you can still get into whatever it is you DO get, and then later on you're like "Oh! That's what that meant!". You know what I mean?

[KaptainKrypton]

I'm so utterly joyful this project died a quiet death. Anyone who thinks this would've made a good movie needs to get a psych evaluation. Even Smith knew it was going to suck when he wrote it. Any of the scripts before SR are lousy attempts to Batman-ize or Matrix-ize Superman. That's not what Superman is about, and it never will be. And for the last time, these armored outfits are ****e. The frankenstein design would only be good for a Bizarro character, and even then, that's a stretch. When I look at this concept art, it still makes me realize that this crap makes me want to vomit.

[KaptainKrypton]

I would have loved to see what Kevin Smith would have done if he were given complete control over his own script, as well as directing it. He is such a huge comics fan, that I think he would have been even truer to the Superman storyline than 1 and 2, and would have written a kick ass movie.
He may have been able to write something more akin to that, but I don't know if it would've been wise to give him complete control. He bowed out of doing Green Hornet because he was unsure of his own ability to make a film that is essentially a summer blockbuster. I do know that if Peters wasn't trying to rape the character for profit and ramming stuff down Smith's throat about polar bears and giant spiders, then we may well have gotten a script that wasn't yak-worthy.

[Saph]

http://www.kal-el.org/flyby/top.gif
I love that symbol..

[Mr. Socko]

I like Burton but I'm glad he didn't make this movie. Some of his ideas were just...err. He would have made it somewhere along the lines of Batman Returns. They were gonna have Superman have a full body black suit, no boots, and the symbol didn't look all that great either.

[ACK!]

If they were truly going to follow the "Death Of Superman" storyline, I would have begun the movie with a pre-credit sequence of Superman and Doomsday's battle, climaxing in Superman's death. We would see Lois holding his bloodied corpse in her hands as she lets out a silent scream.

Then, a credits sequence.

Then, I would show a clip of Superman and Doomsday's battle shown on a TV screen. An anchorwoman's voiceover would tell us that it was one year ago today that Superman died at the hands of Doomsday.

From there, the Supermen would show up - at least one of them and the story would proceed from there.

Ultimately, Kal-El would return - as he did in the comics - and Superman would be back to stay.

[Zinzoningen]

I've been wondering - would we still have Superman Returns coming this summer if Superman Lives had come out in '98 as planned? It might have been a flop, like Batman & Robin, or it might have hit the "brainless entertainment" nerve with the public and made a decent score. But it most likely wouldn't have had a sequel.

I mean, B&R was horrid, but it only put the Batman franchise to sleep for eight years... Superman IV came out almost two decades ago. If Lives had been released, would we have had to wait even longer for Returns to materialize? Or would it have mattered?

[redisnotbrown]

I mean, B&R was horrid, but it only put the Batman franchise to sleep for eight years... Superman IV came out almost two decades ago. If Lives had been released, would we have had to wait even longer for Returns to materialize? Or would it have mattered?

i think warner brothers werent really concerned with putting superman on the big screen as they already had batman and superman was doing well on the small screen, ie superboy and lois and clark,

so generally superman was in most peoples consciences and more widely seen as it was on tv,

maybe they thought superman lives would give a different take on superman than the tv series were doing,

but luckilly someone at wb had an ephiphany and decided to scrap it

and thankfully we get superman returns, a proper superman movie!

:supes:

[fabman]

Kevin Smith's script was good. Tim Burton's vision COULD HAVE BEEN GOOD but I didn't really want a zombie Supes.

[Kevin Roegele]

Kevin Smith's script was good. Tim Burton's vision COULD HAVE BEEN GOOD but I didn't really want a zombie Supes.

It was good, it would have made a very intresting film. It reflected the 90's comics, so we would have seen a John Byrne-esque Superman, with self doubts, and perhaps the longer hair as well.

[ReevesFan]

Is it me, or does Cage look like the "Evil" Drunk Superman from Superman III?Actualy he looks like the goofy hired thug that poses as Superman in one of the classic 1930's cartoons. If anyone knows what episode I'm talking about, they should be able to see the similarity. He just looks like a goofy hired thug named buggsy or something for the mob back in the 30's. Thank god he didn't get the role, or that would have really killed Superman.

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6592/supercaged2yw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[batman strikes]

Here are three manips of Nicolas Cage as Superman. I think this gives us a better idea on what the suit would of looked like. Remember when burton was on the project the suit were going to be made out rubber like Batman.

Edit: The links are not working sorry

[pwl4life]

links don't work

[batman strikes]

I going to find the pics.

[batman strikes]

links don't work

Here are the links pwl4life.
http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=8978&f_ssn=&f_fooble=18

Another
http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=8977&f_ssn=&f_fooble=19

and another
http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=5821&f_ssn=&f_fooble=29

[PSU442]

i really wish WB would have the balls to release all of the preproduction concept designs and test pic/footage for the aborted Superman pics. It would make a fantasic art book.

Sony doesn't hide their other Spiderman concepts...

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sm2premiere116cj.jpg

[Mr. Socko]

With all due respect to Tim Burton, this movie would have sucked.

[TheCalling]

With all due respect to Tim Burton, this movie would have sucked.

I totally agree.

And i wonder why Cage was ever up for the role? I mean he's a cool actor and all but he's no Superman, not even close.
Makes me realize that Brandon's one hell of a catch.:D

[theBat-Man]

i wonder why Cage was ever up for the role? I mean he's a cool actor and all but he's no Superman, not even close.

Again, that's the same thing they said about Keaton before Batman came out.

[boywonder13]

Again, that's the same thing they said about Keaton before Batman came out.

They also said the same about:

- Chrsitopher Reeve
- Brandon Routh
- Tobey maguiree

- and many more actors for different things

Lets just say Cage's Superman would have been interesting!:supes: :up:

[GreenKToo]

Correct me if I'm wrong here,but superman would not have flown in this film correct?and also, he would not have worn the traditional suit either right?That would not have been a superman movie at all.Sounds more like Edward scissorhands to me.each to there own I suppose.

[theBat-Man]

Correct me if I'm wrong here,but superman would not have flown in this film correct?and also, he would not have worn the traditional suit either right?That would not have been a superman movie at all.Sounds more like Edward scissorhands to me.each to there own I suppose.

Correct you if your wrong? You are wrong. He would have flown in the movie before he dies, then after his resurrection he is virturally powerless and wears the Kryptonian suit.
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6592/supercaged2yw.jpg
Then the K suit would disintergrate to reveal Superman in an update of his traditional blue suit.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/nick1.jpg

[Katsuro]

After reading the wikipedia article, there's only one redeeming quality that entire film would've had...

Micheal Keaton's Bruce Wayne speaking at Superman's funeral. Seriously, i'm not even the biggest Burtman fan (get it? Burton and Batman, i just made that up!), but even I think that would've been awesome to see.

[Lightning54SC]

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6592/supercaged2yw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


thank GOD we didnt have to witness that crap..... i still have shivers looking at that!

i will admitt i kinda like the costume but NOT ON CAGE!

[buggs0268]

I totally agree.

And i wonder why Cage was ever up for the role? I mean he's a cool actor and all but he's no Superman, not even close.
Makes me realize that Brandon's one hell of a catch.:D
Because at the time he was hot property. He had won an Oscar for LEAVING LAS VEGAS, and was a box office draw for THE ROCK and CON AIR.

[Sub-Zero]

cage was pretty buff when this movie was in development hell. i think its kinda ridiculous to have him in a molded suit. i hated the idea of cage as superman, but i think he would've done the role tons of justice. he's a megafan! he named his kid KAL-EL for god's sake!

[Binker]

I feel like I should make my own version of Superman Lives just using the pre-production art and nothing else.

[boywonder13]

http://www.freewebs.com/superman-5-archives/index.htm

Here is the Superman 5 Projects webstie that I am making with scripts, scripts reviews, project historys and more!!! From Cannon Film's (Pre WB) Superman V with an Ecological theme (much like Superman IV had a theme) to Batman vs. Superman and Superman Flyby!

With an exclusive review of Superman:The New movie script which would have been a sequel to the Superboy TV series adn also the first II reeve movies Here's an excerpt:
It's action packed, and feels like Superman when you read it. It's written by Cary Bates and Mark Jones. Bates is a former Superman comic book writer, and both he and Jones were script editors/writers on the now defunct Superboy TV series. It's very faithful to the mythos, and all the characters we love (Superman/Clark, Lois, Perry, Jimmy) are there. The script comes to 136 pages long and is dated July 23 1990.

The earliest battle scene reminded me of later Superman scripts (those I mentioned above). It's clear that later writers must have at least been shown this script when they were hired to write their Reborn/Lives drafts. Brainiac, at the script's beginning, is the robot he was in the 80s comic books, later becomes the green-skinned humanoid that appeared in the comics prior to his transforming into a robot, and later reverts back to his robotic form. He has a sidekick on his ship, called Kosmo, also from Brainiac's planet of Colu. Early scenes between Brainiac and Kosmo are a little humorous, not campy per se, but they strangely work better than perhaps my description implies. They are are eerily reminiscent of similar scenes in Poirier and Smith's scripts, though they took the humour too far.

The script is clearly a sequel to the Salkind produced/Christopher Reeve starring Superman movies (which excludes Superman IV, as that was made by Cannon Pictures). In that I mean, Martha Kent is alive and Jonathan Kent is not (as we saw in Superman The Movie), and there are flashback scenes from STM.* The Daily Planet gang seem to be the same as we saw in the Reeve movies, except Clark is more in line with the current comic book version of the character (ie. not a nerd).

[boywonder13]

email me at tonieharrison@hotmail.com if you would like to help in some way! (ex. scripts, old rumors etc.)

[Kevin Roegele]

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6592/supercaged2yw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I think that's as close as we've ever seen to what Cage would have looked like. There were arguments about a hairpiece, I recall Cage not wanting to wear one.

[Kevin Roegele]

Superman Lives! would make a fantastic Elseworlds graphic novel or mini-series.

I'd love to see Lives! as a version of Superman, not the version of Superman. Superman doesn't have as much leeway as Batman; Bats can be gothic, gritty, superheroic or a detective. Supes is less flexible. Which is why going all Edward Scissorhands/Borg and angst on him doesn't sound like a good idea for a major movie. I'd love to see it in some form though.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah.....Bats is open to so many different takes.

Superman isn't.

[theBat-Man]

Every Superman film does not have to be light and campy like the Donner films with Clark Kent bubbling like Jerry Lewis, the Luthor and Otis Abbott and Costello routines. I love the Fleischer's Superman animation from 1941-1944 and the first 26 episodes of the Adventures of Superman TV show from 1951 with the dark, shadowy Film Noir atmosphere.
Burton's Superman Lives would have been Mars Attacks/Planet of the Apes style sci-fi. Not Batman/Edward Scissorhands style gothic. Superman Lives is closer to Superman and the Mole Men weird sci-fi (my favourite Superman movie), then the Donner/Christopher Reeve movies.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/supsatmm-1s.jpg

[Aarowned]

nicolas cage couldnt play any form of superman, he doesnt have the actual build or hair to play superman

Also he wouldnt be able to actwith the diveristy routh can between clark and superman

[theBat-Man]

Nicolas Cage was buff enough. Watch Con Air, the Rock, etc. He had enough hair.

Nicolas Cage is a diverse actor. From comedies like Honeymoon in Vegas, to serious action like Con Air, to that weird Elvis like guy in Wild at Heart by David Lynch. Diversity.

[boywonder13]

Cage would have been an...intersting..Superman!

[Aarowned]

Nicolas Cage was buff enough. Watch Con Air, the Rock, etc. He had enough hair.

Nicolas Cage is a diverse actor. From comedies like Honeymoon in Vegas, to serious action like Con Air, to that weird Elvis like guy in Wild at Heart by David Lynch. Diversity.


sure for con air he was but the superman build is in a whole different league

its easy to diverse between comedic and serious roles, clark kent, kal-el and superman it far harder to go between

[theBat-Man]

Cage was buff enough for Superman.
http://images.contactmusic.com/images/artist/ncageap.jpg
Cage is a diverse actor and he understood the different between Kent and Superman without trying to just copy Chris Reeve's performance like Roth. Cage is a Superman comics fan himself. He named own son Kal-El.

[Aarowned]

Cage was buff enough for Superman.
http://images.contactmusic.com/images/artist/ncageap.jpg
Cage is a diverse actor and he understood the different between Kent and Superman without trying to just copy Chris Reeve's performance like Roth. Cage is a Superman comics fan himself. He named own son Kal-El.

naming your son"kal-el" doesnt make you suited for a superman role.

he would have butchered the role. look at that hairline.

[theBat-Man]

LOL, back to his hair. Cage had enough hair for Superman. They could just style his hair and giving him the little curl.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/niccage111.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/116_4_1001.jpg

[echostation]

admittedly if you look at the back of the soundtrack by hanz zimmer for the Rock... there's this picture of Nick Cage when he's pulling out those VX2 green glass balls and his hair is PERFECTLY styled like an older more broad forehead Superman... seriouslly the way it waves and goes back, it's perfect... hell even his head is in the perfect superman pose with the lighting... If I can scan the pic I will... or lemme try to find that on the net... he looked very much like Supes there

This could've potentially been a kick ass film HAD THEY NOT effed with Kevin Smith's original script, gotten Cage and hired an altogether different director... it would've been an excellent film imo

[PSU442]

for those who think a Burton 'Supes' film would of been good, please read this. It's a great recap of the Superman V fiasco over the years...

http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm

I apoligize if this link is already in this thread somewhere.... but this thread has been around so long I'm not sure if I've seen it pop up here...

[Aarowned]

LOL, back to his hair. Cage had enough hair for Superman. They could just style his hair and giving him the little curl.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/niccage111.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/116_4_1001.jpg


damn that pic just confirms that he really hasnt got the superman face, or hair.

[pwl4life]

for those who think a Burton 'Supes' film would of been good, please read this. It's a great recap of the Superman V fiasco over the years...

http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm

I apoligize if this link is already in this thread somewhere.... but this thread has been around so long I'm not sure if I've seen it pop up here...

Damn....just,Damn

[theBat-Man]

damn that pic just confirms that he really hasnt got the superman face, or hair.

Actually, he does have the classic Superman face, the narrow eyes and eyebrows, the broad forehead, chiseled features, he just doesn't have the unrealistically big wide Dick Tracy jaw. Neither did Warren Beatty as Dick Tracy, or Michael Keaton as Batman, because it's exaggerated artistically.

[Aarowned]

Actually, he does have the classic Superman face, the narrow eyes and eyebrows, the broad forehead, chiseled features, he just doesn't have the unrealistically big wide Dick Tracy jaw. Neither did Warren Beatty as Dick Tracy, or Michael Keaton as Batman, because it's exaggerated artistically.

no he doesnt, reeve and routh do.

he cant even compare to them.

[theBat-Man]

Cage was not even trying to compare to Chris Reeve and that version of Superman/Clark Kent, just as Keaton was not trying to be like Adam West and that version of Batman/Bruce Wayne.

[Aarowned]

Cage was not even trying to compare to Chris Reeve and that version of Superman/Clark Kent, just as Keaton was not trying to be like Adam West and that version of Batman/Bruce Wayne.

i never said he was trying to.

but face the facts if you enter the franchise your gonna be compared no matter what, and cage would have looked like a field mouse compared to reeves.

And adam west never was a muscley batman, half the shows you could see his belly hanging out.

[theBat-Man]

Cage would have been controversial.
Keaton is still controversial as Batman.

[PSU442]

cage approached Peters and Burton because he was a huge fan and wanted to play LEX LUTHER.... Peters And Burton decided to cast him as Superman (to be controversal.) Even Cage himself was perplexed by this... and now laughs about it.

[theBat-Man]

for those who think a Burton 'Supes' film would of been good, please read this. It's a great recap of the Superman V fiasco over the years...

http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm

I apoligize if this link is already in this thread somewhere.... but this thread has been around so long I'm not sure if I've seen it pop up here...


Most of that is rumor and gossip. A rumor was that Tim Burton had a problem with the casting of Cage. Tim Burton said "No, that was a done deal. I mean, that's why I wanted to do it. I love him. That's what people said about Michael Keaton for Batman."
Whoever wrote that article was trying to make Burton out to be a careless pompous ass who just wanted to make Superman into Batman. That's Jon Peters.
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/images/anti-jonpeters-poster1.jpg
Burton and Peters are not friends. Jon Peters gave Burton a hard time during the filming of Batman in '89. Jon Peters didn't even want Danny Elfman to do the music to Batman. Superman would have flown in Burton's Superman Lives with no "Supermobile".
Tim Burton said "I had been working on the project for a year, and it didn't happen. I basically worked very hard. I made the movie; we just didn't film it.
You`d have to ask Warner Bros, but I think—and this is only my opinion, of course—that it wasn't filmed because it was going to be an expensive movie, and they were a little sensitive because they were getting a lot of bad press that they had just screwed up the Batman franchise. Because of the corporate environment, all of the decisions are basically fear-based. So I think one of the aspects that lead to their decision was that somehow they were going to **** up another franchise. If they`d just allowed us to make the film I think that we could have done something interesting. And, you know, it was going to be an expensive movie. They made a choice. They had this and Wild, Wild West, and they opted for that and canned this one. It`s frustrating."
Nicolas Cage said "Superman, yeah, I went pretty far down the road with Tim Burton on that. And at the time, Warner Brothers just wasn't ready to pull the trigger so to speak because it was incredibly expensive and that was at a period in their career, Warner Brothers, where they were being cautious with the money."

[theBat-Man]

cage approached Peters and Burton because he was a huge fan and wanted to play LEX LUTHER.... Peters And Burton decided to cast him as Superman (to be controversal.) Even Cage himself was perplexed by this... and now laughs about it.

Cage really wanted to be Superman in the movie. Cage said "I hope I can still do this because I think it will be a very enchanted movie. It's okay to be different because Superman is different. If one child sees that and says 'maybe I'm Superman' then I've done my job.
I believe that a movie based on Superman has an important value. The death of Superman and his resurrection will be a part of the story, but I have other points that I want to address in the Superman character that haven't really been examined before. Superman is a great story. It's one of those phenomenons that operates on so many different levels that still haven't been explored. One of the things I like about Superman is the notion of nurture versus nature. Is he more Kryptonian, or is he more the Kents, his adopted parents? These are big issues that we`re thinking about, like genetics and scientific things of that nature. So Superman is a remarkable achievement. These two guys, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, were considered nerds, who were from Canada, wore glasses, which back in the 30's was a big deal. These two guys who were oppressed invented the alter ego concept, of being a super man. And everybody said, `Oh, don't do it; it's ridiculous.` But they knew they had gold, and they held on to it for four years. Then, as soon as it came out, it was an overnight sensation. So there's something there, and I saw it for me as an opportunity to reach a lot of kids around the world and say something positive. To me, Superman is an opportunity to reach children all around the world, and to say something to them that I believe. I guess I'm trying to take the judgment out of the way kids treat each other. To me, this project is very important because it's going to affect children around the world. What do I want to see happen to children around the world? I can't claim that I'm really going to be able to do this, but at least I can try. Which is if I can play up to Superman's feelings of being an alien, feeling different, feeling weird—basically feeling like the kid I felt like when I was in school—then I can maybe get that little boy to stop teasing that little boy because Superman is different. That's my thought process. Maybe that's a little too weighty, but at least it's positive."

[JBMComics]

I read somewhere that this is Superman's official suit for Superman Lives.
I do like this costume, it looks pretty cool.:up:

If you think this looks cool, then you don't know Superman.

[buggs0268]

Correct you if your wrong? You are wrong. He would have flown in the movie before he dies, then after his resurrection he is virturally powerless and wears the Kryptonian suit.
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6592/supercaged2yw.jpg
Then the K suit would disintergrate to reveal Superman in an update of his traditional blue suit.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/nick1.jpg

And everything you just said would have happened in the film is why the thing would have sucked. Burton would have destroyed Superman. Cage would have destroyed Superman. Thank God this never happend.

[Whack Arnolds]

It would have been interesting, but definetely not Superman. Burton has a habit of when taking full control of something, to completely dismantle it and take it away from its core. He would have been great with some of the visuals though. But I do remember seeing that preview poster in cienmas. I think it was around 1998 or something like that. It must have been pretty far into production. Does anyone have a large picture of the symbol to be used on the suit? I want to make a t-shirt with it, and I need a large one in the classic colors. That would be much appreciated.

[Aarowned]

Superman is not dark and mysterious, Batman is. Superman is more cheerful and colourful, why make Superman a tim burton batman rehash?

Cage could probably play a superman villian but not superman himself, he definatly couldnt play superman like routh can

Superman isint meant to be a dark, evil, odd characther hes meant to be a Hero standing for human rights defending the earth and brining criminals to justice etc not a complete badass dark weird guy.

Casting someone because of controversy doesnt actually mean it will be good, "oh ill cast cage and everything will be amazing". No.

People complained about Routh's adjusted suit like heck and that was only minor changes (personally i think it is the best suit) imagine Cage's suit, it would have sucked, not keeping up with the classic style would have been wrong i think

[batman strikes]

I know this is a thread about Tim Burton's Superman Movie, but does anyone know how much Brett Ratner was going to change on the suit. The only thing I heard was that he was going to have a Black "S" face (More like Kingdom come) instead of the classic yellow, but what was he going keep Supes classic undies or was he going to take them away?

[Pksoze]

That's the same thing they said about Micheal Keaton before Batman came out. "He is balding and looks nothing like Batman/Bruce Wayne!"



Here is a review of the final script of Superman Lives by Dan Gilroy that Tim Burton wanted to film. http://www.superman-v.com/reviews/gilroy.php
It is not Superman Scissorhands. It's a slightly darker, more serious version of Kevin Smith's script. The Burton version is just Smith's story void of all the to comic-booky, ultra-fanboy, silly wink-wink aspects and tongue-in-cheek moments.
http://www.kal-el.org/SL/topsmall.gif



The reviewer killed the script basically calling it trash.

I think this movie might have made money, but it would be viewed as a piece of crap & been disowned.

Actually Abrahms script kills this version.

[buggs0268]

The reviewer killed the script basically calling it trash.

I think this movie might have made money, but it would be viewed as a piece of crap & been disowned.

Actually Abrahms script kills this version.
Yeah. i would have liked that movie like I like Singer's suit. Read my sig for that. This would have totally destroyed Superman. Thank God this never got made.

[BrollySupersj]

I remember this movie, besides cage being Superman, I wish it would have gotten through.

[Trooper]

that costume looks pretty much batman to me

[tdeverea]

Where the ***** is this from??? Christ, that's horrid!:down

http://www.kal-el.org/SL/supermanrebornLoRes.jpg

[Agentsands77]

Ewww.

[Whack Arnolds]

Superman wears 3 costumes in "Superman Lives".

First, his traditional costume. (he dies in it)
Second, that zombie looking thing...which is his "resurrection suit" or "k-suit". He wears it, to help him regain his strength etc. It eventually devolves and dissappears... and it turns into

Third, Superman's new costume...which was supposed to be ab evolution of the traditional costume.

The movie would've been interesting. One of those absolutely great, fantastic, and fun to watch crappy movies. But it was just that "crappy", and not entirely Superman. Burton damn near coppied many moments from his B89 film. Glad we got Returns instead, though.

[PSU442]

i wonder what concept art/preproduction photos/test footage exists from these aborted projects. Think about how quickly they got things going when Singer came aboard... i can only imagine what exists from Burton's and McG's films. The art we do have from "Lives" is probably the tip of the iceburg. Maybe someday...


The only bit of information I have comes from a former roommate of mine who worked for a mid-major production house in los angeles. They were doing quite a bit of special FX at that time and put a bid to do some of the flying scenes for McG's film. Though his bosses were very secretive, he got to look over a set of storyboards. From what he said, it looked like a Lois - Superman flying scene inwhich he placed her on the tower of a skyscraper and (for some reason) flew around her and the tower so fast that he created a tornado like whirlwind. My roommate had no idea how it fit into the story or anything. Like i said, he only got to see the storyboards and only a few at that.



Anyway, this stuff is out there ---- it only needs to get scanned and leaked. Come on, people!!!

[batman strikes]

Yeah has anybody seen pictures of Ratner's and McG's Superman costume or if you don't have pictures but seen them could you describe them to me, because I really want to see the other directors vision of Superman costume. Like how much they updated it, did they nix the undies, you know that sort of things.

[DorkyFresh]

at one point wasn't Superman rumored to be blonde in the movie? that would've been SOOOO stupid...

[Bat Attack]

Where the ***** is this from??? Christ, that's horrid!:down

http://www.kal-el.org/SL/supermanrebornLoRes.jpg
Thats nasty.

[PSU442]

well, we didn't get to see any screen tests or footage of Superman Lives/Reborn in the new documentary but we did get some new prepro art. Anybody else catch it?

[STC]

well, we didn't get to see any screen tests or footage of Superman Lives/Reborn in the new documentary but we did get some new prepro art. Anybody else catch it?

Yup I saw it, there were a few more Superman Lives concepts pics Ive never seen before. They also showed that had a full bodied pic of this pic too:http://www.kal-el.org/SL/Superman_battle.jpg

Anyone have a full body pic of this picture.

[STC]

If you think this looks cool, then you don't know Superman.

I do know and understand Superman and I still think the suit looks cool.

[Iphus04]

Yeah has anybody seen pictures of Ratner's and McG's Superman costume or if you don't have pictures but seen them could you describe them to me, because I really want to see the other directors vision of Superman costume. Like how much they updated it, did they nix the undies, you know that sort of things.
No, nothing actually came out, although JJ Abrams script specifically described him as wearing the traditional red and blue.

[Excel]

"wrapped in brilliant red and blue"

[Sub-Zero]

i think i read somewhere that stan winston was brought in during mcg's run, and a prototype suit was made out of rubber with sculpted muscles. it had a blood red 3d S , and cape. but they never had a superman to put it on so i don't know if it was even true.

[batman strikes]

i think i read somewhere that stan winston was brought in during mcg's run, and a prototype suit was made out of rubber with sculpted muscles. it had a blood red 3d S , and cape. but they never had a superman to put it on so i don't know if it was even true.

Henry Cavill?

[echostation]

i'd have rather a finely tuned Abrams version than the version we got

None of the prophecy crap but all the action beats and krypton exploding yet some Kryptonians manage to escape and are now after Kal El...w ould be so much better.

Someone on this forum has an actual pic of the costume that Stan Winston sculpted or the one that was used just prior when McG was on... he won't give it to me for some reason but he DOES HAVE IT...

[batman strikes]

Did you ask the guy to private message you? Did he give a reason why he didn't want you to have the pic?

I was researching past projects on the internet and the only thing I could find was these description of the suits.

BRETT RATNER'S COSTUME DESIGN:
It does not have a cape...YET!!! It's going to have padding under the suit for the muscles definition like the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man suit. It's dark blue at the moment and the "S" on his chest has no yellow field, its black."(Like Kingdom Come and Fleisher cartoon "S") The cape will be Crimson red.

MCG COSTUME DESIGN:
the suit was made of foam-rubber latex. (muscles, etc.). foam latex, with a little fabrication on the boots.

Updated classic "S" if that makes any sense. It had more of a three-dimensional look to it, not just the two-dimensional of the Reeves suit. Our color scheme was more dark, like the series I would say.

The yellow, yes, was more of a golden yellow. It was mostly in the “S” on the chest and in the belt a little bit. No undies and yellow belt. It is way more up to date. The cape was deep, almost crimson red. There is no "S" on the back of the cape.

[echostation]

either of those costumes really would have kicked ass

yes I did PM the poster here ages ago, all he said was he couldn't give it which was rather lame, that's like someone asking me, may I borrow the salt, and if i'm physically and fully capable of doing it i just say No... I just can't...

[batman strikes]

The only thing I have from the McG period is the "S" Logo but I could never get it confirmed from someone who has actually seen it. I am one of the few people who wouldn't of cared if we got an update on the classic suit, like no underwear on the outside and stuff like that. But I ended being satisfied with what we got because it wasn't a restart but a sequel to the Reeve's movies.

[PSU442]

i don't know why i'm so fascinated by all this....

[Retroman]

Read this interview guys at Superman-v.com. The Stan Winston/McG suits were made and the actors who tested got to wear it to on camera.So somewhere out there there is footage of this.

http://www.superman-v.com/interview.php?id=4

[Lightning54SC]

the black suit would be kinda cool to see in a movie... maybe like a kryptonain battle suit or somethin'?

[mizzaxer]

First of all, IIIII as in MEEEEE started a topic on SL a while back..

and here are my opinions: for one: This scripted, i personally would've enjoyed to see on the big screen...the doomsday fight described would've been one to remember..and also i would've loved the costume designs...since there were 3 of 'em he wore...and cage could've bulked up...just look at topher grace...was skinny as hell now pretty beefy....also, i can recall being a youngin seeing batman forever or robin i forget ...but i saw this poster and i instantly blew a gasgit in my lower abdomen...erm...under there somewhere...newayz i remembered the silver s and it was sooo sweet...this movie would've made moooo money but it needed a few changes in the script...it wasnt kevin smith's fault...he was the genius...it was that other nitwit who wanted a giant spider and a gay man-slave to brainiac...go figure...oh well maybe SR 2 will have some SL-inspired things...

[Xybalba69]

...this link for the S:L script is sweet...just great...

does anyone know or has any link for the complete S:Returns script ??

[Retroman]

now that'll be awesome to see, if it ever gets released
Heres hoping.

[Lead Cenobite]

Every Superman film does not have to be light and campy like the Donner films with Clark Kent bubbling like Jerry Lewis, the Luthor and Otis Abbott and Costello routines. I love the Fleischer's Superman animation from 1941-1944 and the first 26 episodes of the Adventures of Superman TV show from 1951 with the dark, shadowy Film Noir atmosphere.
Burton's Superman Lives would have been Mars Attacks/Planet of the Apes style sci-fi. Not Batman/Edward Scissorhands style gothic. Superman Lives is closer to Superman and the Mole Men weird sci-fi (my favourite Superman movie), then the Donner/Christopher Reeve movies.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/supsatmm-1s.jpg

Dude, don't kid yourself. You thnk Burton was planning on bringing back the old timey dark film noir Superman? Nope. For proof, just look at some of the uber bizarre concept drawings of Superman.