Marvel Announces Origins

[GNR]

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=54265

[Bullseye]

I posted in the Wolverine remember's everything thread. Interesting news from Marvel.

[Rasmon Redux]

just what we need in comics.

more wolverine...

[Bullseye]

I ment to say "I posted it in the Wolverine....."

I don't think they need a whole ongoing series just to tell is Origin.

[deemar325]

F'ck! Marvel! and F'ck! JoeydaQ!:mad:

When will it stop?:down

[Harlekin]

They should have just done that stuff in the regular title.

[White_Howling]

sigh are they that broke? why must they milk wolverine for more money

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Origins/WOLORIG001_COV_150.jpg

[TheSumOfGod]

Wolverine will remember that Xavier is his father?! :eek: ;)

[Dread]

They should have just done that stuff in the regular title.
You could say that with a LOT of mini-series and so on's that Marvel releases. They seem to be on a mission to spit out more titles than they can support or sell, especially with anything X-related. Note that almost every X-title launched in 2004 has been cancelled due to poor sales, restructuring, or both.

The illusion here is that the "Wolverine remembers stuff" bit is actually nothing new, but is actually his status quo before the 90's WEAPON X story from MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS and the subsequent WOLVERINE arcs introducing more clutter to it with the "false memory implants". Before all that, a story in WOLVERINE where he remembers something in detail and uses it to further the plot happened pretty often.

[Harlekin]

You could say that with a LOT of mini-series and so on's that Marvel releases. They seem to be on a mission to spit out more titles than they can support or sell, especially with anything X-related. Note that almost every X-title launched in 2004 has been cancelled due to poor sales, restructuring, or both.

The illusion here is that the "Wolverine remembers stuff" bit is actually nothing new, but is actually his status quo before the 90's WEAPON X story from MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS and the subsequent WOLVERINE arcs introducing more clutter to it with the "false memory implants". Before all that, a story in WOLVERINE where he remembers something in detail and uses it to further the plot happened pretty often.
But at least those were minis. This is actually slated to be an ongoing series and IMO is going to run out of steam after a year.

[Dread]

But at least those were minis. This is actually slated to be an ongoing series and IMO is going to run out of steam after a year.
WOLVERINE is running out of steam NOW.

You're absolutely right, there is really no excuse for choosing to do this as a seperate series outside of Wolverine's solo aside for a cynical cash grab at a market that is already oversaturated.

I repeat: nearly EVERY SINGLE X-SERIES LAUNCHED IN 2004 HAS BEEN CANCELLED. Mostly due to poor sales. It appears Marvel has learned absolutely nothing. Yeah, continue stretching the X-line and Wolverine more than the market needs. One day the franchise will crash, like Spider-Man did after the Clone Saga, and then they'll be rather boned.

[Harlekin]

WOLVERINE is running out of steam NOW.

You're absolutely right, there is really no excuse for choosing to do this as a seperate series outside of Wolverine's solo aside for a cynical cash grab at a market that is already oversaturated.

I repeat: nearly EVERY SINGLE X-SERIES LAUNCHED IN 2004 HAS BEEN CANCELLED. Mostly due to poor sales. It appears Marvel has learned absolutely nothing. Yeah, continue stretching the X-line and Wolverine more than the market needs. One day the franchise will crash, like Spider-Man did after the Clone Saga, and then they'll be rather boned.
It really is pathetic to see this renewed marketing push for Wolverine. This HoM thing should have been his push story-wise again, but they completely took the wrong direction. Instead of focussing on his actual series, they're trying to get a series of the ground that will ultimately succeed but be another one in the long line of mediocre titles Marvel is producing and one day, people will notice.

Wolverine will regularly appear in:
Wolverine
Wolverine: Origins
Astonishing X-Men
Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
New Avengers
(Ultimate X-Men)

While undoubtedly appearing in the following:
Spider-Man: The Other (which he already has)
Ghost Rider
X-Men: The 198

[Bullseye]

Wolverine is everywhere simultaneously.

[joke]

Wolverine is everywhere simultaneously.
That's his secondary mutation.

[Bullseye]

That's his secondary mutation.

Ah. There in lies the belief that Grant Morrison had that mutants should mutate in his Nex X-Men run.

[deemar325]

That's his secondary mutation.

Joey da Q's mutation is bleeding gravy, that fat F-ck! I'm really tired of the guy, him and Axel Alonso what a piece of crap that slug is, every book this chump has edited has been late or continuity issues. He used to work for freakin' HIGH TIMES magizine! He's a lazy editor.:down

[Dread]

It really is pathetic to see this renewed marketing push for Wolverine. This HoM thing should have been his push story-wise again, but they completely took the wrong direction. Instead of focussing on his actual series, they're trying to get a series of the ground that will ultimately succeed but be another one in the long line of mediocre titles Marvel is producing and one day, people will notice.

Wolverine will regularly appear in:
Wolverine
Wolverine: Origins
Astonishing X-Men
Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
New Avengers
(Ultimate X-Men)

While undoubtedly appearing in the following:
Spider-Man: The Other (which he already has)
Ghost Rider
X-Men: The 198
And of course that doesn't include any other side mini's or event mini's or Ultimate mini's (like ULTIMATE X4 or ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS. HULK).

To be fair, though, ASTONISHING X-MEN doesn't come out frequently and given how they're announcing it as "bimonthly" for 2006, means that at most it'll have 6 issues this year. In 2005 they only shipped 5 issues, and late ones at that. Methinks while the title sells very well, Marvel knows better than to plan ASTONISHING as the flagship X-book, as it is rarely out.

And before someone mentions it, yes, DC does the same thing with Superman and Batman. And it's not right when they do it, either. There, happy? Covered that excuse? Good. In the real world, "he does it too!" stops working to accurately defend your position outside of the first grade schoolyard. Shame many adults haven't realized this.

The irony is that X-23, not Wolverine, had the power to up the sales of a book by no other virtue than a guest appearence last year. And I don't care for her much either.

[Harlekin]

Well, I see one notable difference between the Wolverine and Batman/Superman situation. Batman and Superman have another two books devoted to them and are then restricted to one team book, while a cameo here and there. This is a system that I prefer a lot more than the Marvel system, which if you compare Bats and Wolves, would make Batman part of the JLA, Outsiders, Teen Titans and the JSA, as opposed to just having three books devoted to himself.

[demento]

It makes sense to me. One book for him to explore his past and the other for him to interact with the Marvel U at large. Now, I don't much care for him being in every effing X-team book AND New Avengers but this is a bit easier to swallow and I for one am looking forward to it. :up:

Also, that cover rocks hard.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Well, most likely he's gettin' kicked off NA an' th' X-Books are gonna be restructured to almost a Blue an' Gold team status again.

An' Wolvie's been better SINCE HoM. Yer all too busy *****in' an' moanin' that he's everywhere to see that. Get off yer high horses an' just limit what books ya read. That's it.

[Nick Eastwood]

I think I read somewhere recently when someone asked Quesada if the X-Men were going back to blue and gold status, he said no.

[Xofenroht]

The way I see it is that Wolverine is over 100 years old now. So much can happen to a 100 year old man, with a highly advanced healing factor, keen animal senses and retractable claws housed in his forearms over a 100 year span. Millar's one shot issue with him in the concentration camp was pure gold. There's just no mystery to Logan anymore and that's why he's losing steam. If they started telling more stories from his pre-X-Men days and pre-Department H days I'd be happy.

[buckster666]

Hopefully they will reduce his roll in Uncanny X-Men & X-Men, that would allow charchters like Gambit (who is so underused of late) to get more of the spotlight.

[deathshead2]

I have a feeling we may be heading back to the 90s well goodbye marvel until next time.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I didn't say they were goin' BACK to th' teams. What I said was in a similar fashion they're gonna designate which book certain X-Men appear in.

[GNR]

I'm gonna buy this no matter what but I'm really surprised they made it an ongoing instead of a maxi-series.This has alot of potential to run out of steam,but then again this is where the creative team steps in.

Holy f'ck,do you guys think the project Bryan Hitch is SO horny about doing is this one?

[Dread]

I'm gonna buy this no matter what but I'm really surprised they made it an ongoing instead of a maxi-series.This has alot of potential to run out of steam,but then again this is where the creative team steps in.

Holy f'ck,do you guys think the project Bryan Hitch is SO horny about doing is this one?
I'm not impressed, because Marvel has done this before and been very quick to re-solict these books as "mini's" if the sales tank before issue #6, and pretended that you didn't notice. We'll see how long ORIGINS lasts.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't even care. Wolverine regaining his memories might've been interesting a few months after Origin finished, but now I just couldn't give a damn. I doubt it'll change the character in any way. He's too good a money magnet as he is.

[demento]

I'm gonna buy this no matter what but I'm really surprised they made it an ongoing instead of a maxi-series.This has alot of potential to run out of steam,but then again this is where the creative team steps in.

Holy f'ck,do you guys think the project Bryan Hitch is SO horny about doing is this one?
Don't tease. I'd love to see Hitch's take on Wolverine.

[Marcdachamp]

But no one mentions the return of the brown costume?:(

[Anubis]

hmm, nah I think I'll skip this one.

[TheCorpulent1]

But no one mentions the return of the brown costume?
I thought it was just for that cover. I don't see why they'd change Wolverine's costume again, after just recently updating the yellow and blue one for Astonishing. Unless he's going to have a different costume for every book he's in. That would be even more absurd and, also, hilarious. :)

[The Joker™]

HAHA

Everyones so jaded.:up:

[XFanTim]

If it's good, I might drop Wolverine's regular title for this one. But I don't need two Wolverine solo books a month.

[demento]

WAY, DILLON NAMED AS WOLVERINE: ORIGIN TEAM
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Yesterday saw the announcement of a new, ongoing Wolverine series with the April debut of Wolverine: Origins, and today? Marvel has confirmed for Newsarama that Daniel Way and Steve Dillon will be the creative team on the new series, and Editor in Chief Joe Quesada will be the series cover artist.

The pairing will mark the fourth project for the team, having previously collaborated on Bullseye: Greatest Hits, Punisher vs. Bullseye and Supreme Power: Nighthawk.

As Way explained to Newsarama, the storyline coming up in Origin is in fact, what he had originally plotted out for the main Wolverine series, where the post House of M exploration of Wolverine’s past has begun with the five part “Origins and Endings.”

The shift and subsequent launch of a new series came as a result, Way said, of some of the coming events in the next 12-18 months. “The decision was made to shunt it over to its own title so that we could tell our story without having to make allowances for crossovers. This is a big story—it needs, and deserves, its own space. Also, we introduce early on that everyone is either already compromised or would become compromised by Logan involving them. For him to do what needs to be done, it is essential that he rolls solo on this one.”

As for Way’s gut reaction to the notion that his story was seen as something strong enough to launch into it’s own series… “Well, as geeky as it sounds, I was honored,” Way said. “This is one of Marvel's top two characters, so getting the green light to go ahead meant a great deal to me. I'm confident, however, that I'll nail this one—I've been laying out the story for over a year now, cross-checking facts, keeping an eye on continuity, networking with other writers…in short, I've done my homework. To tell you the truth, I feel like the cat that ate the canary because only I and three other people on the planet know where this is all going…but only I know how it's going to get there.”

Way also commented on the non-sequential nature of Wolverine’s exploration of his past, saying of the series’ start: “We start where Logan starts—which, obviously, isn’t at the beginning. He just got a century’s worth of memories dumped into his head so, just like anyone facing an overwhelming workload, he’s going to have to prioritize. Keep two things in mind: 1) Due to the fact that we’re dealing with so much ‘lost time,’ the trail has gone extremely cold in most cases…therefore, he has to work backward and 2) There are those who have every reason to want Logan ‘back on the leash,’ so he needs to stay a step ahead of them in order to continue on his quest. Oh, and one other thing: Just because Logan has his memories back, it doesn’t necessarily mean that he has all the answers.”

Jumping in and telling the origin story that virtually dozens of Marvel writers Marvel writer have touched, added to, or played with over the years isn’t something to do without preparation, as Way mentioned earlier. Elaborating further, he brought his research down to earth a little.

“I’d be setting myself up if I said that I’ve read everything Wolverine-related every published…but I can say that I’ve come damn close. The goal of this series is to not simply recount his past, but to explain it…so, yes, I will link up the different stories. Believe it or not, there already are patterns and systems of control imposed on his timeline…ironically, it was the disparities that helped me see these patterns.”

And speaking of the patters he’s found, Way said that he’s going to get a little meta in his explorations, adding some rationale behind the fact that Wolverine does seem to pop up everywhere in the Marvel Universe. “Why is Logan always in the right place at the right time?” Way asked, rhetorically. “Why do the women he loves always seem to die? But, while we're going to be exploring Logan's past—and explaining it— at the same time, pushing him forward on his quest for revenge…but revenge against whom? Short answer: Everyone. No one is innocent.”

Tied into Wolverine’s “right place/right time” nature which can lead to slight to moderate overexposure, Marvel did confirm that, beginning in June, Wolverine will not be a part of the two X-Men teams (X-Men and Uncanny, though he will be appearing in Astonishing).

Last but not least, Way stressed that the series – which will lean on as much a personal journey as a physical one - will be that much stronger thanks to the addition of Dillon.

“What Steve brings to the table—and this isn’t just my opinion, this is what all of his fans already know—is the ability to convey characterization in razor-sharp detail. This comes from several factors, not the least of which is his impeccable visual storytelling. The added bonus—and this is what makes him perfect for this particular Wolverine story—is that Steve draws bad-ass mother____ers like no one else. This series focuses on a man with a century-long ____-list who happens to have both the ability and the stone-cold determination to make everyone on that list pay in full…to have anyone other than Steve Dillon illustrate it would just be stupid.”
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http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=54389

[Bullseye]

It looks like The Punisher... Steve Dillon's art always reminds me of his Punisher art.

[GNR]

Dillon???????Not too sure about that.Never been a fan of his stuff.

[Bullseye]

And Quesada is the cover artist for the series.... this is all very amusing.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Okay, see? I toldja th' X-Books were gonna be restructured. This series sounds pretty damn hot, however I'm not diggin' Dillon as artist. I like his stuff just fine, but fer a book like this they shoulda got a grittier, more realistic artist.

[Bullseye]

Way is writing Origin's... will he be writing Wolverine at the same time?

[buckster666]

Am glad Marvel finally realized that Wolverine was getting overexposed and have cut him from Uncanny and X-Men, this will give those books more stories to bring X-men that have been overlooked into the limelight more.

The creative team is awesome, wouldn't be surprised if it starts to overshadow the normal Wolvie series!!!

[GNR]

All of his people look like pissed off creeps.Oh well,as long as the story is strong,I'm there.

[Bullseye]

Oh how I would have loved to see Bryan Hitch be the artist for Wolverine: Origins.

[Wolverazio]

I like the cover, I like the concept, I even like the art. I'm willing to give this an honest chance (especially since he's being taken off two books I don't read anyway, lol).

But I have a bad feeling that when that mask comes off...I'm going to expect him to pull out a gun and start screaming, "no inverted commas! No inverted commas!"

[squeekness]

It makes sense to me. One book for him to explore his past and the other for him to interact with the Marvel U at large. Now, I don't much care for him being in every effing X-team book AND New Avengers but this is a bit easier to swallow and I for one am looking forward to it. :up:

Also, that cover rocks hard.I couldn't have said it better. I'll be looking forward to this book. I am also happy that they are pulling Wolvie out of some of the other books to take the edge off of his overuse. :up:

[Bullseye]

There must be Wolverine clones everywhere or Wolverine has a time-machine to be an X-Man and an Avenger.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Dude, did you read ANY post above you? They're cuttin' him outta TWO, count them TWO of th' X-Titles.

[Bullseye]

Huh. I must have missed that.

[Phoney Bone]

Jeebus Christ........MORE Wolverine. Like it's needed.

[Bullseye]

Marvel was going to explain why were seeing so much of Wolverine...

[Anubis]

While I have really enjoyed the Dillion/Way team ups so far, I'm still gonna skip this. If the buzz is good I may grab it in trade. I need to cut down on spending and to tell you the truth, I'm rather sick of the character.

[Bullseye]

When did Wolverine gain all this attention in the last few years he's had? I don't recall the character having this much attention.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Where've you been? Since th' 80s Wolverine's been Marvel's most popular character. Although when marketin' began to play a bigger part in th' industry's when they began to get a little crazy. If a title was doin' bad, they'd either stick Wolvie or Spidey in as a guest start to boost sales.

[Bullseye]

I know, Wolverine is Marvel's second most popular character. I just don't recall everything is Wolverine.

[Arkady Rossovich]

sigh are they that broke? why must they milk wolverine for more money

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Origins/WOLORIG001_COV_150.jpg

I have to say that im taking it a bit hard,i remember classic adventures with Wolverine in Madripoor and early adventures.That was Wolverine.

I would have prefered Chris Claremont,the best X-Men writer besides Stan Lee`s approach.Never reveil Logan`s origin,just bits and pieces.Logan is the essence of mystery,it suits him perfectly.

But no,Marvel is indeed milking him.I can imagine that they are broke :unishr: and using their characters for extra money,and letting writers like Bendis have their way with Marvel.

Its doubtful ill ever accept Wolverine with a full memory,it just says "Weapon X,Sabertooth encounters,Team X and Alpha Flight have all been reconted" :(

[Marcdachamp]

I like that he's being dropped from 2 of the regular X-Books. I may buy this, but if I do, I'll probably drop the other Wolverine title.

[squeekness]

Oh, I'll read them both since they will reportedly be so different. I agree that Wolverine is over used, but sadly, I am one of those that still reads him anyway. :)

[Dread]

It does make sense to take Wolverine off Uncanny and X-Men since he'll essentially have two solo's at once, plus Astonishing (which is switching to bimonthly in 2006, and will likely be late at that) is sort of a "rare" comic in a yearly basis. They only had 5 issues in 2005.

And while it seems silly that he's switching to his brown costume, I do like it, and it did represent his "loner" side as he wore it in honor of Mariko way back (just never told anyone). I always liked the "samurai Logan" angle, so we'll see what my mood is and how thick my wallet is when this launches.

[The Batman]

And of course that doesn't include any other side mini's or event mini's or Ultimate mini's (like ULTIMATE X4 or ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS. HULK).

To be fair, though, ASTONISHING X-MEN doesn't come out frequently and given how they're announcing it as "bimonthly" for 2006, means that at most it'll have 6 issues this year. In 2005 they only shipped 5 issues, and late ones at that. Methinks while the title sells very well, Marvel knows better than to plan ASTONISHING as the flagship X-book, as it is rarely out.

And before someone mentions it, yes, DC does the same thing with Superman and Batman. And it's not right when they do it, either. There, happy? Covered that excuse? Good. In the real world, "he does it too!" stops working to accurately defend your position outside of the first grade schoolyard. Shame many adults haven't realized this.

The irony is that X-23, not Wolverine, had the power to up the sales of a book by no other virtue than a guest appearence last year. And I don't care for her much either.

I'd like to mention that by march, Superman will only have two books, while Batman is having one book cancelled....

[The Batman]

But as for the news...couldnt they do this in his regular book? I'm sorry, but lets face it...the Wolverine book has the same things happening again and again...battles with Ninjas, Sabertooth, Weapon X, Deathstrike, etc

[Bullseye]

That's I said. Tell the tale in Wolverine. But no, they need an entirely different and new book to tell his origin.

[Dread]

But as for the news...couldnt they do this in his regular book? I'm sorry, but lets face it...the Wolverine book has the same things happening again and again...battles with Ninjas, Sabertooth, Weapon X, Deathstrike, etc
That is still very true. Origins could just as easily be done in his main book; in fact, that'd make the most sense. But you could say that about a lot of mini's that characters have, unfortunately.

[The Batman]

Its stupid, IMO, how both DC and marvel try to make 90 books on their most popular characters. I'd rather have all fans read 1-3 books than have 7 or 10

[Dread]

Its stupid, IMO, how both DC and marvel try to make 90 books on their most popular characters. I'd rather have all fans read 1-3 books than have 7 or 10
It's about money, basically. You can make more money selling 90 products (or the 60 or so that last more than a year) than 7 or 10. It's just the numbers game. But I do agree that Origins could easily be a creative shift in the core Wolverine title without changing the number or putting out another series. Marvel simply believes they can sell 2 solo Wolverine books at once (not counting ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS. HULK) and so long as they can, they will.

This is something I mentioned in the 2005 in review topic; companies have abandoned trying to get new readers (they've all gone to manga anyway), so they simply are content on milking the hardcore base for as much as they believe they can get away with. Out of the two of them Marvel often comes off as more cynical and juvenile about it, but DC's just as willing to do the same if they get the chance.

[Assassin]

I'm actually looking forward to this

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Wolverine will enhance th' story in th' present.
Wolverine: Origins will enhance th' story in th' past.

Two different directions.

Now stop *****ing an' either don't buy it or check it out. It's really that simple.

[Anubis]

.........Wolverine sucks.......:)

[Bullseye]

There are some gaping holes that need to be filled in... Thomas Logan whether or not he's Wolverine's biological father and Dog Logan whether or not he's Sabretooth.

[Cyclops]

I was under the impression that considering the scars he had on his face, that Dog was NOT SABRETOOTH.

Ghah. Why do people not get that? Dog - is - not - Sabretooth.

[Bullseye]

True but the regenerative healing factor is a secondary mutation that won't appear until later in a mutant's life.

For instance, Angel later discovered his healing factor.

[TheCorpulent1]

How do you know the healing factor was a secondary mutation for Sabretooth? It's always been shown as his primary mutation, along with the claws and animal senses, just like Wolverine.

[Cyclops]

So? Why would his healing factor take care of a scar that was there before his healing factor kicked in?

[Bullseye]

Right, but supposedly for a while Wolverine claws were implants.

[Cyclops]

Apples and oranges.

[Bullseye]

I dunno, but there a some things that need to be cleared up with Wolverine and Origin did that but it did not cover everything.

A few years from now, there will probably be another Origin series they way Marvel is working the story.

[TheCorpulent1]

Right, but supposedly for a while Wolverine claws were implants.
Wolverine's claws were thought to be implants before his adamantium was sucked out because they were covered in adamantium like the rest of his bones, which was clearly not a natural mutation, and he couldn't remember back to when he had bone claws. The Origin mini-series itself pretty clearly shows li'l Jimmy Howlett with bone claws popping out of his hands. :confused:

[Bullseye]

Right, I know that. But why before was it thought that his claws were implants?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because no one knew any better and Wolverine himself couldn't remember that they weren't.

[Bullseye]

So Wolverine had Amnesia, right?

[TheCorpulent1]

Uh... yeah. For like the first 30 years of his existence in real time.

[Bullseye]

That's what I thought, just wasn't sure about it.

[Wolverazio]

I was under the impression that considering the scars he had on his face, that Dog was NOT SABRETOOTH.

Ghah. Why do people not get that? Dog - is - not - Sabretooth.

Dog is not Sabretooth...and I'm glad for that...BUT

The author has commented (never read Origin so I can't recall who wrote it) that he left it open and fully accepts that a later writer may make Dog into Sabretooth.

So...here's to hoping they don't.

[Bullseye]

I hope no writer takes that route with Dog Logan.

[TheCorpulent1]

They'll have to manufacture some reason that'll probably trample all over existing continuity for why his healing factor didn't take care of the scars to do that. :o

[Wolverazio]

They'll have to manufacture some reason that'll probably trample all over existing continuity for why his healing factor didn't take care of the scars to do that. :o

And this has stopped them before when?

[TheCorpulent1]

Point. Just saying, any attempt to make Dog and Sabretooth the same guy will probably come off forced.

[Bullseye]

The book needs a new artist soon. Everyone has a mean face when Dillon is drawing.

[rnewbz]

Dog could be sabertooth if his healing factor hadn't kicked in yet. Mutants develop at different rates, i'm still goin for dog as sabertooth

[Bullseye]

I don't want it to turn out that way.

First, there were rumors of Sabretooth being Wolverine's father then new rumors surfaced.

[Anubis]

I'd still purfer it if Dog turned out to be Sabertooth's Father. That late mutation bulls**t just doesn't fly.

[GNR]

The book needs a new artist soon. Everyone has a mean face when Dillon is drawing.

I agree,if a different artist was on,I would be onboard.

[Anubis]

I love Dillon's art. I don't know how I got it hard wired into my brain, but whenever I see his art on anything, I think Preacher. And automatically whatever it is, gets moved up a notch no matter what it is. I had to think really hard on weather or not I was gonna get Origins. I decided to wait for the trades instead.

[Bullseye]

I would like to see what Joey Q could do with interior art instead of just the covers even though I loathe Quesada.

[deemar325]

I wouldn't mind Dog being Sabretooth.

I'd rather him being Wolverines brother than his father.

[Savage]

Yeah, I prefer Thomas Logan being his dad. Did they ever explain how Dog found James? I haven't read it in a while. Maybe his increased senses are his primary power and the healing factor is a secondary mutation OR Weapon X intervened. Which would explain why the scars are gone (they fixed Deadpool's body as well for a while). Take care of the scars, give him James' powers...Either could work imo. I mean James could have gotten the claws from his mother (her scars) and the healing factor and senses from his dad. It could explain why Dog has the healing factor and senses but not the claws.

And so far this series is pretty decent btw. And I dug that they referenced him being everywhere in the recent Wolverine issue. Guy couldn't even sit down for a drink.:D

[Ben Urich]

So was the Nuke story any good or did it suck :confused:

[Savage]

It was actually pretty good. In fact if someone hates Wolverine now, they have even more reason to but for an entirely different reason. Most of it was flashback but man was he an a**hole. You kinda hope that Nuke kicks his ass next issue.

[Ben Urich]

I might ahve to buy that. I love Nuke.
Born Again is still my favorite Daredevil story.

[Savage]

Yeah, it shows just how he got so crazy in the first place and it is all Wolverine's fault...pretty f**ked up. You wouldn't even think that this is the same guy who became an X-man.

[Bullseye]

Origins has been good so far.

I still think Wolverine's first ongoing series had some great story's... issue one through 50 and then have to pick through to find some good work on the series.

And those one page pinup's were a nice addition to the comic. I'd like to see that brought back into the Wolverine comic as well as other comics.

[Bullseye]

I have no idea why Dillon was chosen to be the artist for Origins.

[Nasty-B]

Because Daniel Way is a super-hero friendly version of Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon is a common Ennis collaborator who invokes Ennis. Basically, they want it to seem like Garth Ennis' version of Wolverine. I think Rucka and Robertson came a lot closer to fulfilling that idea during their run a couple of years ago.

[GNR]

I have no idea why this book was necessary.

[Nasty-B]

It'd be alot better if the story took place entirely in the past, sans flashbacks, that way they wouldn't have to account in REALTIME for Wolvie's appearance in yet another title.

[jaydawg]

It'd be even better if this just took place in Wolverine's regular title. Could this book be anymore useless? They could have at least got a good writer to do this.

[Bullseye]

My main complaint about Origins is the creative team.

On another note about Wolverine having two titles, I think Superman had seven ongoing titles at a time.

[Xofenroht]

My main complaint about Origins is the creative team.

On another note about Wolverine having two titles, I think Superman had seven ongoing titles at a time.

And remember how many people lost taste for Supes?

[Darthphere]

My main complaint about Origins is the creative team.

On another note about Wolverine having two titles, I think Superman had seven ongoing titles at a time.


But hes ****ing Superman.