5.16 Hypnotic - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Kane]

Well, it could be worse y'know? They could show Routh stripping down to his underwear and getting all raunchy.


*sigh*

I think my eyes are bleeding. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/sick2.gif



Hey, don't open the door if you don't want people to walk in. :p

Wow, youre a horrible woman.

Though honestly, I actually agree with you. It would make my eyes bleed too, not just because I find BR and TW equally disgusting, but because it would totally cheapen and compromise the movie into total crap.

Thankfully Singer never needed to reach those lows for his Xmen movies, so SR will maintain its dignity. Batman Begins worked great without it as well.

[avidreader]

Still, I wouldnt say its really necessarily. These episodes cheapen the show for me bigtime.

If you go in already interpreting what the basis of the plot is then you more often than not fail to understand what is being done and for what reason.

The last 7 or 8 episodes with Clark and Lana have shown us Clark who is no longer willing and able to have a sexual relationship with Lana;

1. because he's afraid of hurting her; and
2. its unfair to have a relationship with her like that when he isnt being totally honest about himself.

Then we have a scene with Lana walking in on Clark about to do the act, with no hesitation.

It will bring that part of the story to some conclusion.

[Kane]

Thats fine but its about its execution.. A seductress putting Clark under a magical sex spell turning him into her sex slave and then he grabs her behind....

Cmon, thats just pure cheese.

And whats worse, its another time where Lana judges Clark and makes a big decision about him while Clark isnt even himself (under a spell).

[avidreader]

Thats fine but its about its execution.. A seductress putting Clark under a magical sex spell turning him into her sex slave and then he grabs her behind....

Cmon, thats just pure cheese.

Well some people like that. And it will only be a fleeting moment, I'm sure.

And whats worse, its another time where Lana judges Clark and makes a big decision about him while Clark isnt even himself (under a spell).

Of course he's under a spell. How else do you put Clark in that situation because we all know the real Clark wouldnt sleep around. Lana has to see that the problem doesnt exist because of some physical incapacity on the part of Clark.

Its all a lead up to her finding out his secret, 'cause now she's going to start asking more questions.

[mellyM]

Still, I wouldnt say its really necessarily. These episodes cheapen the show for me bigtime.
Thats a shame, fortunately for some of us they have eps like this:) Women (and some men) need a little eye candy too, lol

[Kane]

Well some people like that. And it will only be a fleeting moment, I'm sure..

Did you miss the part where I implyed 'whatever does it for you'. Sure some people like the cheesy aspects. I certainly dont, but observing Kryptonsite and all the whacko shippers....yea, the SV fanbase is pretty diversified. All Im saying is I hate this stuff (it just belongs on a reality show or something).....though hopefully it doesnt happen again this season.


Of course he's under a spell. How else do you put Clark in that situation because we all know the real Clark wouldnt sleep around. Lana has to see that the problem doesnt exist because of some physical incapacity on the part of Clark..

Thats just it. I dont want Lana feelings that Clark isnt right for her to be based on personalities that arent even his....like when she judged him for his actions under the Red K.

I think its too distasteful a way to end the Clana thing for good anyways (hopefully its over for good). I mean after all these years and years, the final blow is Lana walking in on Clark under a magical sex slave spell by an evil seductress.... :confused: Doesnt seem right.

[avidreader]

Did you miss the part where I implyed 'whatever does it for you'. Sure some people like the cheesy aspects. I certainly dont, but observing Kryptonsite and all the whacko shippers....yea, the SV fanbase is pretty diversified. All Im saying is I hate this stuff (it just belongs on a reality show or something).....though hopefully it doesnt happen again this season.

No, I didnt miss it, but I was pointing out that this show is written with a very diversified fanbase in mind.




Thats just it. I dont want Lana feelings that Clark isnt right for her to be based on personalities that arent even his....like when she judged him for his actions under the Red K.

I think its too distasteful a way to end the Clana thing for good anyways (hopefully its over for good). I mean after all these years and years, the final blow is Lana walking in on Clark under a magical sex slave spell by an evil seductress.... :confused: Doesnt seem right.

But Lana doesnt break off, she forgives him 'cause she knows that he is under a spell.

Clark breaks off because he can see that keeping his secret from her is hurting her too much.

[AgentPat]

Wow, youre a horrible woman.

Though honestly, I actually agree with you. It would make my eyes bleed too, not just because I find BR and TW equally disgusting, but because it would totally cheapen and compromise the movie into total crap.

Thankfully Singer never needed to reach those lows for his Xmen movies, so SR will maintain its dignity. Batman Begins worked great without it as well.This post made me laugh. I mean, REALLY made me laugh. Bravo!!

Hey Crisis, have you ever posted at BT's? You're starting to sound familiar. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

[Kane]

This post made me laugh. I mean, REALLY made me laugh. Bravo!!

Hey Crisis, have you ever posted at BT's? You're starting to sound familiar. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

BT?

[Kane]

No, I didnt miss it, but I was pointing out that this show is written with a very diversified fanbase in mind.

Yea. Part of the reason why alot of episodes are hit and miss. Theres usually good elements and bad ones. Im sure the subplot of Milton and Lex will be interesting though (though Im hoping its the main plot)..[/quote]


But Lana doesnt break off, she forgives him 'cause she knows that he is under a spell.

Clark breaks off because he can see that keeping his secret from her is hurting her too much.

But I thought they already broke it off?

[avidreader]

But I thought they already broke it off?

Common mistake I've seen. :)

She wanted to take a break in Reckoning but when Jonathan died, Lana said in Vegeance that she needed to be by his side during this difficult time. Therefore the break was shortlived.

[Kane]

Err.. so convoluted. Honestly though, Im hoping its resolved one way or another this year. Im not too cool with Clark playing the stalker of Lana/Lex either. I want this relationship stuff to tone down and take a backseat to the real superhero stuff.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Clark breaks off because he can see that keeping his secret from her is hurting her too much.

I dont mean to sound like an ass or anything here but if Lana stayed dead in the 100th Episode him & us wouldnt have to deal with the same plot every other Episode. I hope some where down the line Clark says Jor El was right & I should not have messed things up when I went back in Time it made things WORSE.

[BaK]

abstinence can make you supercrazy.. :)

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[AgentPat]

BT?BT: Blue Tights. Never mind; it's not important.

"Disgusting" is a pretty powerful word, so I hope you weren't being serious. Both TW *and* BR were models at one time. I may find one a helluva lot more attractive than the other - and I do admit to joking relentlessly about that fact - but jeeze Louise, neither man is "disgusting."

As to the "horrible woman crack," don't you have some dolls to play with? Oh, I'm sorry, action figures. :p

[Lara]

You know with all the times they have tried to sex it up I think the sexiest moment was the kiss in Red. You just can't beat a really good kiss. The other scenes have always seemed so staged. I have no problem with the idea of sex on a Superman show but the execution is usually meh.

[avidreader]

And you know I was just thinking recently that we havent seen Clark shirtless since episode 4. :mad:

I'm glad they are rectifying that in this episode. :D

[AgentPat]

And you know I was just thinking recently that we haven't seen Clark shirtless since episode 4. :mad:

I'm glad they are rectifying that in this episode. :DI know! Tragic, it is!! LOL

While watching The Fog, even my husband said "well that didn't take long" after Nick's boathouse scene at the beginning of the flick. I LMFAO. Indeed!

I often wonder if Welling's friends give him grief about having to be shirtless so much? :p

Kinda reminds me of that scene in Galaxy Quest, a film that spoofed Classic Star Trek. The alien "Spock" character says to the captain "Kirk" character, "I see you got your shirt off." It was a prerequisite back then, too. That was the 1960's, btw. Not much has changed in entertainment.

I've read the reactions on other boards *cough*DTS*cough* to the Hypnotic trailer, and either a LOT of people posting to message boards today are very young, or they're just naive. Or both. Some hack and slay at G&M over promoting the sex angle when it's the network that chooses how to promote their shows. Users complain about the overuse of "sex" on SV, yet many use sexually suggestive scenes from the show as avatars and banners in their posts. The writing is called into question when all they've seen is a seventeen second trailer to base a whole episode on. Others get bent over how Superman is being presented (Clark Kent - whatever) on SV, yet everything is approved by DC. Some shippers STILL can't accept that "Clana" is on its way out and was never meant to last to begin with. They complain about how Clark can have sex with every other woman on the show *except* Lana - when HELLO!? She's the ONLY one he's had sex with. It's a laugh riot over there. Seriously!

[avidreader]

I've been doing the rounds on the Boards today, LOL. Just to see the reation. Although I did skip DTS.

I agree with what you say Pat how they pass judgements so quickly on 17 second trailers.

Over at Sweet they're all over Clark for being, well I wont use the language they use but its very colorful.

Over at Ksite they're all over Lana, saying she's finally getting what she deserves.

:eek:

I've seen people dissing the episode Void because its a rehash of Facade and Scare. :eek:

Doesnt that just show continuity, the thing that they always complain about, that kryptonite can have similar effects on people even if its used in different ways.

The backstory to the kryptonite induced whatevers always has a different meaning and outcome to it. I really dont understand. Its amazing that they've come 100 + episodes and only treaded lightly on a few previous ideas.

[KalKai]

I'm doing the same thing, was on BT few seconds ago lol.

[Kaboom]

And you know I was just thinking recently that we havent seen Clark shirtless since episode 4. :mad:

I'm glad they are rectifying that in this episode. :D

so uh, when is lois shoing up sans shirt?

;)

[avidreader]

so uh, when is lois shoing up sans shirt?

;)

I dunno, the perspective you get with her shirt on is pretty good, dont you think? ;)

[The Caped Knight]

Hey Where's The clip,everyone is talking about ?

Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-HL0IQoIY&search=smallville

[AgentPat]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

WHOOOOOAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

When was Superboy here? Holy smokes, THAT's a blast from the past. Is PDiddy around too? Where's Hulk? OMG! We need a reunion!!! LMAO!!!!!

[KalKai]

He wasn't, just searched this thread, I dunno where Kal-El 8 got that from.. lol.

[AgentPat]

KE8 and I registered on the Hype right around the same time. I'm sure he remembers Superboy. He was (in)famous for his SV bashing. PDiddy was just the opposite. When Superboy and PDiddy got on a tear, uh. muh. gawd!!!! Pull up a chair 'cause it was one helluva show. I almost MISS those days LOLOL!! All the arguments today simply PALE in comparison. There's been nothing like it ever since. :up:

[KalKai]

This "Superboy" was never in this thread though, never asked for any clip, so I dunno. :confused:

LOL.

[AgentPat]

Yeah, looks like KE8 was having some fun...

OMG, SV rocks!!! :up:
:D

Hulk is gonna DIE laughing when he sees this. LOL!!!

[KalKai]

Do you remember the threads where he used to bash SV? I'd like to read them. :D

[AgentPat]

Do you remember the threads where he used to bash SV? I'd like to read them. :DWhat thread *didn't* he bash SV in? LOL Just do a quick search for posts by "Superboy." Any forum.

One of threads near the top of a search I just did was from June of '04. Fun-eee! There were a lot of users back then that are still around, and you HAVE to laugh at some of the things people *thought* back then. For example...

...Regardless of who makes this movie, smallville's not gonna air alongside it. When \S/ comes out, SV goes away. There won't be a show to bring down. . . .sorry.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3471423&postcount=14

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I found that one by sheer accident, just because I was looking up posts by Superboy. I had to stop after reading that. :p

[KalKai]

BlueTights LOL.

You know sometimes I wonder, I mean everyone believes everything he says, and obviously he's never gonna say anything bad about the movie.. lol.

[AgentPat]

LOL! Well, we've all been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. I had my moments of smugness too. Quite a few, in fact...

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/footinmouth.gif

Schitt happens. Things change. And nothing... NOTHING is ever set in stone. I like to keep that in perspective, especially when I read posts from know-it-alls that have some very definitive opinions about what we WON'T ever see happen. *ahem* Never. Say. Never! I'm keeping my yap shut now since I learned my lesson. Other people have yet to learn theirs. ;)

[Kane]

BT: Blue Tights. Never mind; it's not important.

"Disgusting" is a pretty powerful word, so I hope you weren't being serious. Both TW *and* BR were models at one time. I may find one a helluva lot more attractive than the other - and I do admit to joking relentlessly about that fact - but jeeze Louise, neither man is "disgusting."

As to the "horrible woman crack," don't you have some dolls to play with? Oh, I'm sorry, action figures. :p

Wow. Ya um.. just because I bought a sh^tload of them (actually only since Oct) doesnt mean I play with them or anything. I just bought them for the sake of buying them. Its DC related stuff. If you want to be realistic about this though, go to www.dccomics.com (http://www.dccomics.com) and look under "DC Direct"...you'll see these 'action figures' arent even developed for kids anyways, theyre barely articulated...almost like scuplted DCD Statues developed by the artists themselves. At least be educated on what they are before jumping the gun and making broad statements like that.

You are a 'horrible woman' though, honestly. I didnt even mention BR but you felt it necessary to bash him for no reason...(when I was describing a writing element in the series thats totally unrelated) it really doesnt get us anywhere in our discussions if thats all you do in your posts.

And yes, I do find the thought of both of them (in the way you described) quite disgusting. Im a straight male...I cant find either remotely appearing in that matter, if I did...there'd be something seriously wrong here.

And no, I dont post on BT. Only here. Unforunately, I'm not a big all-around messageboard veteran like you...

[Kane]

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[BaK]

... doesnt mean I play with them or anything.
sure..

[Kane]

They barely have joints. Theyre pretty much statues. Even if I wanted to give them to a kid to play with, they couldnt.

[Lara]

They barely have joints. Theyre pretty much statues. Even if I wanted to give them to a kid to play with, they couldnt.
:o Being that defensive makes it funnier.... Seriously stop with the defending and maintain your dignity.

[BaK]

Even if I wanted to give them to a kid to play with, they couldnt.
little bastards would probably sue you..

[Kane]

:o Being that defensive makes it funnier.... Seriously stop with the defending and maintain your dignity.

Its hard to when surrounded by people on here that dont have any.

[AgentPat]

You are a 'horrible woman' though, honestly.This coming from a self professed "immature teenager" who has created multiple aliases on this board for the sole purpose of trolling - and has publicly (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212242) admitted as such.

I've had it with you. Welcome to my ignore bin. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/hands.gif



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[Kane]

Yep my days of trying to be 'nice' were short-lived on here. Not my fault though, I just treated people with the same respect they deserved.

[Spider-Gamer]

Where is the love? :(

[Kane]

Where is the love? :(

I have to agree.



lol

[Lara]

I've had it with you. Welcome to my ignore bin. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/hands.gif



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LMAO oh my god that with the picture is too freak'n funny.

[triplet]

This coming from a self professed "immature teenager" who has created multiple aliases on this board for the sole purpose of trolling - and has publicly (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212242) admitted as such.

I've had it with you. Welcome to my ignore bin. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/hands.gif



http://www.patcostello.com/temp/stray3.jpg

He's been in my ignore bin for several weeks...

:up:

Ignore is a beautiful thing.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I hope they dedicate this episode to Dana Reeve...

[BaK]

Where is the love? :(
gone to the dolls..
ahem, ''action figures''..

[Gmanofsteel]

gone to the dolls..
ahem, ''action figures''..

youre on a smallville messageboard on a saturday night...youre really in no position to say anything. Just dont provoke him :p

[BaK]

youre on a smallville messageboard on a saturday night... it's saturday :eek:

(not in my time zone :) :p)

[Spider-Gamer]

I hope they dedicate this episode to Dana Reeve...
I hope so too.

[Squatlow]

Marsters likes the pizza at Smallville's local delivery.
(plus, he's contracted for a number of episodes...)

He should be around for a while...

He lends real genre cred and dramatic weight to this show; plus, he's just a kool kat (and the character ties in nicely with a certain animated project coming to retail soon...)

I would be surprised if you-know-who didn't do all they could to keep him around...

After all, the Z-man's got to have a counterpoint, eh?
(and Lex will need a bargaining liason...)



(funny, I typed Marsden above before I realized my freudian slip...)


;)

I've been off the boards for a coupla weeks, so maybe missed a few things and apologize in advance if I'm reading way too much into this, but...Uh, Jack...

...if your Freudian slip was a bit more PeeWee Herman-ian than Freudian (I meant ta do that)...,

It would read <James> Marsden likes the pizza at Smallville's local delivery. (plus, he's contracted for a number of episodes...)

Are you saying 'Cyclops' is Zod??????

Nah, couldn't be. [/i]

Could it?
:eek:

[JackMercy]

Are you saying 'Cyclops' is Zod??????

Nah, couldn't be. [/i]

Could it?
:eek:


Heh heh.

Nah... Marsden only wants to do movies.


Nope. Just a little dig at our "dueling franchises"...


(sorry, been burning the candle at both ends lately...)


;)

[AgentPat]

Nope. Just a little dig at our "dueling franchises"...LMAO!! Ned Beatty just popped into my head.

....which is ironic on so many levels, it aint even funny.

(You'll have to follow that train of thought through a few different stations to get the corollary)

:D

Damn, I need sleep. :O


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[Serene]

That was a hell of a movie...

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[Super_Ludacris]

All this talk about cheaping the mythos is crazy.

Mythology to stay relevant from time to time needs to be updated especially if told in modern times. I say this remembering well that the literally comparison has also been Marvel's characters origins were considered sci-fi whereas DC's were always compared to Greek Mythology (Just look at the JLA line-up). So in order for things to stay relevant and interesting you gotta update for the times. As far people worrying about sex on the show. What's there to panic? There's hardly any. I mean Clana with in itself only exists for like 10 minutes in total during some shows, I hardly think them 2 kissing with there shirts off is explicit, besides one of the reasons this show works is that it's multigenre (sci-fi, comicbook, teen).
Compared to other heroes Superman was always considered a bit bland and boring but with this show they've showed a logical and vunerable side to him in his destiny. It's same reason why seeing that learning curve for our heroes is what made Batman Begins and Raimi's Spiderman so great, not only with there powers or desicions or tools but the people they love around them.

And I think to be fair Singer will do this too with SR, he's showing vunerabilty again and make us understand why a Superman would leave the earth and his response open his return. This genre has worked on TV and in the bigscreen because it's modern and there's great character study

So it's all good, fall back fanboys and love these golden years

[Red]

And I think to be fair Singer will do this too with SR,

He's also giving Lex wigs :mad:

[avidreader]

All this talk about cheaping the mythos is crazy.

Mythology to stay relevant from time to time needs to be updated especially if told in modern times. I say this remembering well that the literally comparison has also been Marvel's characters origins were considered sci-fi whereas DC's were always compared to Greek Mythology (Just look at the JLA line-up). So in order for things to stay relevant and interesting you gotta update for the times. As far people worrying about sex on the show. What's there to panic? There's hardly any. I mean Clana with in itself only exists for like 10 minutes in total during some shows, I hardly think them 2 kissing with there shirts off is explicit, besides one of the reasons this show works is that it's multigenre (sci-fi, comicbook, teen).
Compared to other heroes Superman was always considered a bit bland and boring but with this show they've showed a logical and vunerable side to him in his destiny. It's same reason why seeing that learning curve for our heroes is what made Batman Begins and Raimi's Spiderman so great, not only with there powers or desicions or tools but the people they love around them.

And I think to be fair Singer will do this too with SR, he's showing vunerabilty again and make us understand why a Superman would leave the earth and his response open his return. This genre has worked on TV and in the bigscreen because it's modern and there's great character study

So it's all good, fall back fanboys and love these golden years

Man, I so love it when people get it. It makes me feel so happy. :)

Great post SL! :up:

[GothicPowerMix1]

He's also giving Lex wigs :mad:

& that automatically means the Movie will suck ? :eek:

[Super_Ludacris]

He's also giving Lex wigs :mad:


So did Donner, I see no pitchforlks and flames for him?

[GothicPowerMix1]

So did Donner, I see no pitchforlks and flames for him?

:up:

[Scooter]

I could do without the wigs though...easily...

[triplet]

I didn't like the wigs in Donner's film... Are they doing wigs in SR? Yucky.

Personally, I don't think Lex would wear them. Ever.

I like Smallville's Lex. He's not proud to be bald (it bothers him to some extent given he'd asked Lana if she thought he'd be more handsome with hair) but he's not hiding it either.

:down

[tonytr1687]

I didn't like the wigs in Donner's film... Are they doing wigs in SR? Yucky.

Personally, I don't think Lex would wear them. Ever.

I like Smallville's Lex. He's not proud to be bald (it bothers him to some extent given he'd asked Lana if she thought he'd be more handsome with hair) but he's not hiding it either.

:down

Yeah we've seen Lex mention the childhood troubles he had due to being bald on many occasions so he's certainly self-conscious about it, but not to the point of wearing a wig. But thats Smallville. And we dont know for a fact that Lex wears wigs in SR, we only know that he has a collection of them. From all the photos we've seen he's never wearing a wig so I think its a bit presumptuous to say that he does. I trust Singer though and anyone who enjoyed the X-men films should too.

[Red]

So did Donner, I see no pitchforlks and flames for him?

Donner's film was by no means perfect (is their even a perfect film?). But Lex never wears wigs, him being bald is a defining character trate. It to me since Singer views Donner's superman as perfect he just uses that like the benchmark, other examples are the FOS design. Instead of forming his own ideas.

[tonytr1687]

Donner's film was by no means perfect (is their even a perfect film?). But Lex never wears wigs, him being bald is a defining character trate. It to me since Singer views Donner's superman as perfect he just uses that like the benchmark, other examples are the FOS design. Instead of forming his own ideas.

Well Smallville used the Donner FOS and we have no problem with that do we? Really that Fortress design is used in everthing Supes-related now. There's no reason to change it, especially if you're referencing the Donner films like SR is.

[Super_Ludacris]

who cares though? It's such a minor footnote I hardly think it will affect the film. We dont even know how long or where he wears it

[Red]

who cares though? It's such a minor footnote I hardly think it will affect the film. We dont even know how long or where he wears it

Them.

[Super_Ludacris]

Who cares if he got a closet full of poodles for the dome, its all good.

[avidreader]

A "Hypnotic" Feature In March 27 TV Guide
The March 27 issue of TV Guide magazine takes a look at Smallville's return episode, "Hypnotic," scheduled to air on Thursday, March 30.The article contains some spoilers regarding the episode and some episodes to come regarding important relationships. There's also a previously-unseen photo inside, which you can see with this article. The photo features Michael Rosenbaum (Lex) with James Marsters (Milton Fine/Brainiac).
Here are some highlights:

The bad girl Simone in "Hypnotic," who puts Clark under her "supernatural spell," is actually recruited by Lex in order to not only find out the truth about Clark, but to break Lana and Clark up. Lex's plan goes awry, however, and Simone then hypnotizes Clark and sends him to kill Lex. (See some episode stills (http://www.kryptonsite.com/hypnoticgallery1.htm) for proof of that!)
"I think Clark will always love Lana," Tom Welling tells TV Guide. "But what he realized is that he may never be able to be with her, for her own safety."
Might rejection from Clark send Lana to Lex? "You'll definitely see them getting closer toward the end of the season," Executive Producer Al Gough tells the magazine. "Look, he's rich and he's sexy and there's always been an attraction between Lex and Lana. Whether or not she wants to admit it, Lana has always had some feelings for Lex."The March 27 TV Guide hits newsstands this week. Be sure to get a copy and show support for their Smallville coverage!

http://www.kryptonsite.com/tvghyp3.htm



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I told you Lex was behind it.

[The Caped Knight]

The bad girl Simone in "Hypnotic," who puts Clark under her "supernatural spell," is actually recruited by Lex in order to not only find out the truth about Clark, but to break Lana and Clark up. Lex's plan goes awry, however, and Simone then hypnotizes Clark and sends him to kill Lex.

:eek: Whoa!!! No more Mr. Nice Guy indeed, Michael Rosenbaum was kidding when he said in Smallville Magazine # 13, "The Days Of Lex being a Nice Guy are over, From here on out Lex is going to do everything in his power to get what he wants."

And it look's like he want Lana @ The moment.



"I think Clark will always love Lana," Tom Welling tells TV Guide.

Since Tom doesn't know much about The SUPERMAN Mythology, I'm not going to even bother to talk about this. Also Tom doesn't know much about Adult Clark Kent or SUPERMAN , he just knows what Al & the writters give him to work with .


Might rejection from Clark send Lana to Lex? "You'll definitely see them getting closer toward the end of the season," Executive Producer Al Gough tells the magazine. "Look, he's rich and he's sexy and there's always been an attraction between Lex and Lana. Whether or not she wants to admit it, Lana has always had some feelings for Lex."

Of coruse , Lana has feelings for Lex. that's nothing new. :o

[avidreader]

Since Tom doesn't know much about The SUPERMAN Mythology, I'm not going to even bother to talk about this. Also Tom doesn't know much about Adult Clark Kent or SUPERMAN , he just knows what Al & the writters give him to work with .

Hey that's not very fair. He's talking about Clark on Smallville and Smallville's Clark does love Lana and probably always will, regardless of what happens in the future.

[The Caped Knight]

Hey that's not very fair. He's talking about Clark on Smallville and Smallville's Clark does love Lana and probably always will, regardless of what happens in the future.

I know he's talking about SV's version Of Clark. That's why I'm not going to pay close attention to that quote.

Because no matter What happends in smallville, It won't change The result of the Future. In whichSUPERMAN exist, Adult Clark Kent becomes a great Reporter @ The Daily Planet & Lois Lane becomes Mrs. SUPERMAN / Mrs. Kent {The wife & True soulmate } Of Kal-EL/Clark Kent/SUPERMAN.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I think Tom's statement is about the imediate future and not the one that will happen 10 years or more after that...

[triplet]

No, I think he will always love her. First romantically, then later as a friend.

There's no violation of the mythos for him "always" loving her...

[AgentPat]

No, I think he will always love her. First romantically, then later as a friend.

There's no violation of the mythos for him "always" loving her...Thank you! You saved me the trouble of typing an overly long ala Pat post, which shouldn't really be necessary. LOL

[The Caped Knight]

There's no violation of the mythos for him "always" loving her...

I never said their was. lana will always have a place in his heart {after all she was his first love} (I know that) . What I'm saying is that he won't love lana forever{like Tom mention in that quote} He'll Love Lois. {The love Lois & Clark will share will be the kind of love that never dies , It will be an Eternal Love.}

[triplet]

I never said their was. lana will always have a place in his heart {after all she was his first love} (I know that) . What I'm saying is that he won't love lana forever{like Tom mention in that quote} He'll Love Lois. {The love Lois & Clark will share will be the kind of love that never dies , It will be an Eternal Love.}

You're not making sense...

Him loving her forever doesn't mean he loves her romantically forever... There's nothing wrong with that. Clark will love her forever, but as a friend. They're still close friends in the comics long after he's fallen for Lois.

I'm confused at what your point is other than again bashing Lana.

[avidreader]

Thank you! You saved me the trouble of typing an overly long ala Pat post, which shouldn't really be necessary. LOL

Oh please, I love reading your overlong ala Pat posts.

You're not making sense...

Him loving her forever doesn't mean he loves her romantically forever... There's nothing wrong with that. Clark will love her forever, but as a friend. They're still close friends in the comics long after he's fallen for Lois.

I'm confused at what your point is other than again bashing Lana.

Yeah, I'm a bit confused too. :confused:

[The Caped Knight]

Him loving her forever doesn't mean he loves her romantically forever... There's nothing wrong with that. Clark will love her forever, but as a friend. They're still close friends in the comics long after he's fallen for Lois.



That's exactly my point. {He'll love her as a friend,forever } not as the lover of his life, That's Lois.

[triplet]

That's exactly my point. {He'll love her as a friend,forever } not as the lover of his life, That's Lois.

That's SO not what you said... Whatever.

:rolleyes:

[avidreader]

Does anyone think that Lana really has romantic feelings for Lex?

I'm not buying it. I think she's playing him.

[triplet]

Does anyone other think that Lana really has romantic feelings for Lex?

I'm not buying it. I think she's playing him.

I think she's fond of him, but in love? Naw...

I don't buy it either. She might still be too loyal to Clark to go for his ex-best friend....

I think her playing him is much better, story-wise, than her really falling for him anyway so I hope that's it.... it'll be a great arc for KK to play.

[avidreader]

I think she's fond of him, but in love? Naw...

I don't buy it either. She might still be too loyal to Clark to go for his ex-best friend....

I think her playing him is much better, story-wise, than her really falling for him anyway so I hope that's it.... it'll be a great arc for KK to play.

Phew! I'm glad someone sees it my way. :D

I think it gives the character of Lana so much more integrity, and it remains true to the mythos insofar as she would never betray Clark.

If she gets with Lex then she's going to be going up against Clark. Lana would never do that.

[Serene]

Well, I think... oh, nevermind.

Whatever. I'm not really in a very good debate mood.

He'll always love her. That works for me.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

No, I think he will always love her. First romantically, then later as a friend.

There's no violation of the mythos for him "always" loving her...

You're right. And even if he did, I wouldn't blame him. I think when you truly love someone with all your heart there's always some feelings that will stay around.

[triplet]

You're right. And even if he did, I wouldn't blame him. I think when you truly love someone with all your heart there's always some feelings that will stay around.

I still remember my first boyfriend fondly.... If he was still around, I lost track of him a very long ago, he'd still be important to me even though I'm now married to someone else.

He was special to me for a lot of different reasons and now, even though we obviously weren't meant to be together, he still is. I think about him sometimes and wonder what he's doing and who he might have married.

Not because I'm still in love with him, I'm not, but because I still care about him and would want to know how he's doing. I would like to think he's happy.

That doesn't change if you truly care for someone even if you don't end up with them forever.

Jeez, I hadn't thought about him in awhile... I still remember his wonderful smile, his sparkly blue eyes, and how hard I had fallen for him and how heart broken I was when it didn't work out.

*sigh*

Teenage love is so melodramatic... :D

Lana will be like that for Clark, I have a feeling.

[avidreader]

.... and Lana and Clark will continue to see each other in the future, and their frienship will stay in tact.

Clark loves Chloe, but not romantically. I think his love for Lana will be a little different because of what they shared together.

[avidreader]

If Clark is hypnotised in this episode, does that mean he wont remember what happened while he was under the spell?

People that are in a hypnotic state dont usually remember what was happening.

[triplet]

If Clark is hypnotised in this episode, does that mean he wont remember what happened while he was under the spell?

People that are in a hypnotic state dont usually remember what was happening.

I hope not that would be too bad for him if he can't remember what he did so he can make up...

Could make for good drama, however, if he doesn't remember and Lana gets all bent and Clark can't understand why.

[avidreader]

I hope not that would be too bad for him if he can't remember what he did so he can make up...

Could make for good drama, however, if he doesn't remember and Lana gets all bent and Clark can't understand why.

Yeah, I guess by the way things end this episode between Clark and Lana .... bad break up .... he will be remembering.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I still remember my first boyfriend fondly.... If he was still around, I lost track of him a very long ago, he'd still be important to me even though I'm now married to someone else.

He was special to me for a lot of different reasons and now, even though we obviously weren't meant to be together, he still is. I think about him sometimes and wonder what he's doing and who he might have married.

Not because I'm still in love with him, I'm not, but because I still care about him and would want to know how he's doing. I would like to think he's happy.

That doesn't change if you truly care for someone even if you don't end up with them forever.

Jeez, I hadn't thought about him in awhile... I still remember his wonderful smile, his sparkly blue eyes, and how hard I had fallen for him and how heart broken I was when it didn't work out.

*sigh*

Teenage love is so melodramatic... :D

Lana will be like that for Clark, I have a feeling.

Exactly, that's what I meant. And now you made me think about some long lost loves of my own...
I think that if you easily forget someone and not think about her at least in a kind way then it probably wasn't love at all. That's susceptible to debate I guess but that's my opinion.

[KalKai]

New caps from a new trailer:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/finetrailer1.htm

IT'S TWO OF THEM :eek:

TWO BRAINIACS, LOL. Love em.

Actually, they're 4.. LOL.

[triplet]

Interesting...

[Serene]

.... and Lana and Clark will continue to see each other in the future, and their frienship will stay in tact.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3380/comic8009zj.jpg
Thanks BaK.
*sniff* :(

[Kane]

I think this Lana/Lex angle is probably the best thing theyve ever done with the Lana character. I finally feel that she has a useful and important purpose in the show, by Lex's side, trying to foil Clark and Chloe.

The Brainiac clone thing looks interesting. I hope they explain who's image Brainiac created his 'Milton Fine' identity off of.

[Super_Ludacris]

I think this Lana/Lex angle is probably the best thing theyve ever done with the Lana character. I finally feel that she has a useful and important purpose in the show, by Lex's side, trying to foil Clark and Chloe.
The Brainiac clone thing looks interesting. I hope they explain who's image Brainiac created his 'Milton Fine' identity off of.


And yet you make it sound like an episode of Scooby Doo:(

[Kane]

I duno. I was just trying to rephrase some Alison Mack interview about it. Its the very first Lana story that actually seems interesting to me.

[Super_Ludacris]

I've always said (numerous times) aint really nothing with her but the best angle is for her to interact with Lex, makes sense from a story standpoint(the big 3) and it was bound to happen. And so it has...

*pops a bottle*

[Kane]

Ya honestly this should have happened two seasons ago. They should have gone straight into it instead of the Adam Knight thing and the witch storyline.

Its probably the best available option to break up Lana and Clark for good.

I like the chemistry she has with the Lex character too as opposed to Clark.

[Super_Ludacris]

I meant to say aint nothing wrong with her in my last post, but again this Lex-Lana thing is good, I've always said it should happed

*continues to pop the bottles and **** models*

[Serene]

I meant to say aint nothing wrong with her in my last post, but again this Lex-Lana thing is good, I've always said it should happed

It's an interesting angle to explore, but no way do I see it working out long term. I don't think that would be consistent with Lana's character at all. Lex is a BAD guy, and unless Isobel is still in there pulling the strings, Lana won't stand for that.

[tonytr1687]

It's an interesting angle to explore, but no way do I see it working out long term. I don't think that would be consistent with Lana's character at all. Lex is a BAD guy, and unless Isobel is still in there pulling the strings, Lana won't stand for that.

I think Lana will fall for Lex but realize (she kinda already has) that he very much has a dark side. However she'll also notice that there's plenty of good in him and maybe stay with him to see if she can change him...which wont work of course. And so in the end she'll find out Clark's secret and keep it from Lex who begins to get suspicious and thats when their split will occur as Lex will take her protection of Clark as betrayal.

[Super_Ludacris]

It's an interesting angle to explore, but no way do I see it working out long term. I don't think that would be consistent with Lana's character at all. Lex is a BAD guy, and unless Isobel is still in there pulling the strings, Lana won't stand for that.


Well that's obvious, even if this mythos say the two get married I would imagine it would be a turbulent relationship

[Serene]

Hi-Res caps from the trailer up at K-Site (www.kryptonsite.com). (Thank you, Craig :) )

Two of my personal favorites.. for obvious reasons...
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/494/hypnotic21bs.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/4870/hypnotic12ra.jpg

*gulp*

[BaK]

I'm wondering if at some point they will use the angle where Clark realizes/gets that he pushed her away to his enemy, and could that be the point from where things really explode between him and Lex..

[AgentPat]

I'm wondering if at some point they will use the angle where Clark realizes/gets that he pushed her away to his enemy, and could that be the point from where things really explode between him and Lex..From the spoilers on other episodes, yes to the first part. As to the second part, lets hope not. Clark and Lex have better things to become enemies over than Lana. :p

[AgentPat]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/494/hypnotic21bs.jpgPS... this cap just makes me all kinds of warm and fuzzy. Day-um!

[avidreader]

The WB now has a higher quality trailer available for viewing.

Simone's necklace is blue, not green as some have speculated.

http://thewb.warnerbros.com/web/show.jsp?id=SM

[GothicPowerMix1]

I wonder if Clark will tell Martha what Jonathan tells him

[avidreader]

I wonder if Clark will tell Martha what Jonathan tells him

The Jonathan telling Clark about Lionel part happens in Void, the next episode.

[GothicPowerMix1]

The Jonathan telling Clark about Lionel part happens in Void, the next episode.

Well this Episode this week better be damn good

[BaK]

From the spoilers on other episodes, yes to the first part. As to the second part, lets hope not. Clark and Lex have better things to become enemies over than Lana. :p As much as Lois becomes the central, most important thing in his life much later, I don't have a problem with Lana being it at this stage of his life..

That is, much more important than his "day job" - villains, be it freaks, Lex, Brainy Boy or Zod himself.. :p

[Serene]

I think Lex and Clark becoming enemies will be due to several factors that the show is already building to. Lana will be one, Lionel will be one, the betrayal of friendship and all the resentment inherent in that will be one - but the primary reason they will become and stay enemies is their basic natures of Hero and Villain finally coming to undeniable fruition. It's the natural progression of their individual destinies that they are following, the people in their lives are just extra motivating factors.

That's how I see it anyway. :D

[avidreader]

I think Lex and Clark becoming enemies will be due to several factors that the show is already building to. Lana will be one, Lionel will be one, the betrayal of friendship and all the resentment inherent in that will be one - but the primary reason they will become and stay enemies is their basic natures of Hero and Villain finally coming to undeniable fruition. It's the natural progression of their individual destinies that they are following, the people in their lives are just extra motivating factors.

That's how I see it anyway. :D

I see it that way too.

And its interesting to note how Clark and Lex's lives have paralleled in so many ways, when you look back through the themes of the seasons you get a broader picture of this. One takes the path of good and the other takes the path of bad.

[The Caped Knight]

I don't have a problem with Lana being it at this stage of his life..



I have a huge problem it . for one thing it's Stupid, they go from best friend to Sworn Enemies over a country girl :eek: WTF is that . :mad: The second thing is it's not believeable. And last of all it's pointless, the only reason their going down this road is to make Lana important, Which is just wrong.{yes, lana was important in Clark's life in high school, before Clark's powers began to surface. But to make her into something she's not is just wrong.}

My point is I don't want SUPERMAN & LEX LUTHOR to become sworn enemies over a woman .

[avidreader]

I have a huge problem it . for one thing it's Stupid, they go from best friend to Sworn Enemies over a country girl :eek: WTF is that . :mad: The second thing is it's not believeable. And last of all it's pointless, the only reason their going down this road is to make Lana important, Which is just wrong.{yes, lana was important in Clark's life in high school, before Clark's powers began to surface. But to make her into something she's not is just wrong.}

My point is I don't want SUPERMAN & LEX LUTHOR to become sworn enemies over a woman .

Havent you been watching the last two seasons? Their relationship has been going downhill since Covenant.

[AgentPat]

I think Lex and Clark becoming enemies will be due to several factors that the show is already building to. Lana will be one, Lionel will be one, the betrayal of friendship and all the resentment inherent in that will be one - but the primary reason they will become and stay enemies is their basic natures of Hero and Villain finally coming to undeniable fruition. It's the natural progression of their individual destinies that they are following, the people in their lives are just extra motivating factors.

That's how I see it anyway. :DThat all works fine. I just don't want to see Lana be the last straw - the point of no return - the lynchpin - the final nail -- well, you guys get the point. It's okay if she's one of MANY reasons, but I don't want her to be the MAIN reason. That would... I dunno... just be wrong. LOL

[The Caped Knight]

Havent you been watching the last two seasons? Their relationship has been going downhill since Covenant.

Yes. No the relationship was doomed from the start & it went downhill Official in Exodus . (When Clark choose to leave, smallville & her behind.)

[The Caped Knight]

That all works fine. I just don't want to see Lana be the last straw - the point of no return - the lynchpin - the final nail -- well, you guys get the point. It's okay if she's one of MANY reasons, but I don't want her to be the MAIN reason. That would... I dunno... just be wrong. LOL


Well said pat well said. :up: :up:

[Serene]

Havent you been watching the last two seasons? Their relationship has been going downhill since Covenant.
Is it really worth the effort, avid?

You really are a lot nicer than I am. :D

[avidreader]

Yes. No the relationship was doomed from the start & it went downhill Official in Exodus . (When Clark choose to leave, smallville & her behind.)

I'm talking about the relationship between Lex and Clark.

Lana and Clark were on a good thing at the beginning of this season.

And if Lex is playing Lana, just to get information about Clark, and puts her in danger, moreso than in Mortal, you can bet that Clark is going to be pretty p***ed off, and it will be the final straw.

___________________

Its probably not worth the effort Serene, considering he didnt even get what I was saying.

[The Caped Knight]

I'm talking about the relationship between Lex and Clark.

Lana and Clark were on a good thing at the beginning of this season.

Oh

Please don't remind me , I was sick for the first two episodes . :o

[AgentPat]

Guys, guys, I think Kal's main point was this:

"I don't want SUPERMAN & LEX LUTHOR to become sworn enemies over a woman."

I have to agree with him on that. It's okay if she's one of many reasons. I (we?) just don't think the writers should overdo Lana's influence in causing the rift between Clark and Lex, that's all.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, Kal?)

[BaK]

And its interesting to note how Clark and Lex's lives have paralleled in so many ways, when you look back through the themes of the seasons you get a broader picture of this. One takes the path of good and the other takes the path of bad.
Exactly..
I think they, (writers), are aware how through something they have/had in common, (same love interest, while in different stages/milage on these paths), these contrasts will shine even better.. :)

[Serene]

That all works fine. I just don't want to see Lana be the last straw - the point of no return - the lynchpin - the final nail -- well, you guys get the point. It's okay if she's one of MANY reasons, but I don't want her to be the MAIN reason. That would... I dunno... just be wrong. LOL

Oh, I don't think they'd ever make her the *sole* reason. But this is SV and they are fond of paving their own way, so I guess it's anyone's guess how they will ultimately have it play out. Regardless of how little or how much she is a factor though, it will still be too much for some people.

I still think the most dramatic and volatile thing between Clark and Lex is the betrayal of friendship. They were really close friends. Clark continued to be Lex's friend and defend him over the protests of friends and family.. and Lex knew and appreciated that. I think there's a lot of hurt from both sides of that equation now. Lana's just the gravy. :)

[Serene]

Guys, guys, I think Kal8's main point was this:

"I don't want SUPERMAN & LEX LUTHOR to become sworn enemies over a woman."

I'll have to disagree with you my dear friend. I think Kal's main point is, as always... DIE, LANA, DIE.
*shrug*

I have no problem disagreeing and discussing with plot points and characters with someone rational and reasonable as yourself.. but I have no use for posters like him. None at all.

[AgentPat]

And if Lex is playing Lana, just to get information about Clark, and puts her in danger, moreso than in Mortal, you can bet that Clark is going to be pretty p***ed off, and it will be the final straw.I dunno. That's exactly what I'd prefer to NOT see happen. That makes her the lynchpin. And it creates an air of vengefulness in Clark - which isn't what Superman is at all. Know what I mean?

[Super_Ludacris]

I'll have to disagree with you my dear friend. I think Kal's main point is, as always... DIE, LANA, DIE.
*shrug*

I have no problem disagreeing and discussing with plot points and characters with someone rational and reasonable as yourself.. but I have no use for posters like him. None at all.


Obviously the guy is an extreme DC comic fanboy (I've seen that from other forums around these parts) and I think he's also pretty young and naive because of the way he posts and therefore in his minds he feels like things should be a certain way. I can respect that to a certain extent but its a pretty shallow viewpoint and consider that DC has always played with its mythology in every adaption its not a big deal.

But on a lighter note, dude does say the funniest things, he really does have fangasms (Fanboy Orgasms) when the show Clark fying and he flashes the Superman smilie. I'll never forget when we laughed at Lex calling a Lois a Cupcake meddling freeloader or something, he replied listing the reasons why Lex was worse http://forums.sohh.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

My personal fave was when there was a thread on the "Year of Superman" and all the DVDs that were schedule to be released. He noticed that last year they did same with Batman (because obviousy the blockbuster movie was out last summer, like Supers is this summer).
He said "Hey I just noticed last year was the year of the Bat, this year is the year of Superman, next year will then be Wonder Woman's year and then Justice League and a Justice League movie will be made:eek: !!!!" (then inserted a JLA pic and enough exclamation marks to make Lewis Black blush lol)

[BaK]

... And it creates an air of vengefulness in Clark - which isn't what Superman is at all. Know what I mean? I don't think it will play like vengefulness at all..
They are both overprotective when it comes to her..
Their "protectivnesses" will clash somehow, and of course, Lex is always the one that has "other" motives too, because he is the one "seeking" the truth/secret, using more and more evil ways in doing so, and Clark the one "protecting" it..

[mellyM]

Guys, guys, I think Kal's main point was this:

"I don't want SUPERMAN & LEX LUTHOR to become sworn enemies over a woman."

I have to agree with him on that. It's okay if she's one of many reasons. I (we?) just don't think the writers should overdo Lana's influence in causing the rift between Clark and Lex, that's all.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, Kal?)
I think at this point you'd have to ignore Clark and Lex's entire history to say they became enemies over Lana. Neither is each other's favorite person right now, and its more to do with what Lex has become and is becoming. Clark has demonstrated already how much he distrusts Lex, and how wrong he thinks his recent actions are. So whether Lexana exists or not, it won't be the reason for the rift, its already begun

[tonytr1687]

Oh, I don't think they'd ever make her the *sole* reason. But this is SV and they are fond of paving their own way, so I guess it's anyone's guess how they will ultimately have it play out. Regardless of how little or how much she is a factor though, it will still be too much for some people.

I still think the most dramatic and volatile thing between Clark and Lex is the betrayal of friendship. They were really close friends. Clark continued to be Lex's friend and defend him over the protests of friends and family.. and Lex knew and appreciated that. I think there's a lot of hurt from both sides of that equation now. Lana's just the gravy. :)

The way I see it, the more Clark and Lex become enemies, the worse Lex gets. IMO Lex's descent toward the end of last season was caused by a seemingly insignificant event in Blank. In that episode Lex finally had proof Clark had been lying to him about stuff and he took that as betrayal. Then there was a reversal earlier this season in Aqua when Clark told Lex that, even after all they've been through, he still defended him against Fine. That made Lex SORT OF go back to his do-gooder ways in Thirst and Exposed. And the cycle goes on and on. I agree though that Lana wont be the final straw but more of an icing on the cake. We've already seen them start to focus on Clark and Lex's conflicting ideals as a big reason for their split in episodes like Cyborg.

[BaK]

And the lesson Lex will learn in the end, is that both Clark and Lana will choose "not being together themselves", over being with him..

That will hurt..

[avidreader]

I dunno. That's exactly what I'd prefer to NOT see happen. That makes her the lynchpin. And it creates an air of vengefulness in Clark - which isn't what Superman is at all. Know what I mean?

Well I dont agree. Clark will never be vengeful. We've already seen that in the episode Vengeance.

Clark thinks that Lana and Lex have genuine feelings for each other (well at least the spoilers for Fade lead us to this conclusion).

Like Serene, Bak, SL and Melly have said the downfall of Clark and Lex's relationship has been ongoing for some time now and Clark still gives Lex chances to redeem himself. If Lex uses Lana in any way shape or form to achieve his goal, then Clark's not gonna give him any more chances. Zilch. Its over.

Oops. I left out Tony, his response was a good one too.

[Super_Ludacris]

And the lesson Lex will learn in the end, is that both Clark and Lana will choose "not being together themselves", over being with him..

That will hurt..


Buuuuurn!!!

[BaK]

Well I dont agree. Clark will never be vengeful. We've already seen that in the episode Vengeance.

Clark thinks that Lana has genuine feelings for Lex (well at least the spoilers for Fade lead us to this conclusion).

Like Serene, Bak, SL and Melly have said the downfall of Clark and Lex's relationship has been ongoing for some time now and Clark still gives Lex chances to redeem himself. If Lex uses Lana in any way shape or form to achieve his goal, then Clark's not gonna give him any more chances. Zilch. Its over.

Game over for Lex :)

[Serene]

The way I see it, the more Clark and Lex become enemies, the worse Lex gets.

I agree. Lex has essentially said that exact thing to Clark on a few occasions..

"Don't give up on me yet" - Bound

And his quote (of course, I can't remember the episode title AGAIN) about how it's Clark's friendship that keeps the darkness from coming over the edge for him.

And the lesson Lex will learn in the end, is that both Clark and Lana will choose "not being together themselves", over being with him..

That will hurt..

Oh. :( I hadn't thought of that.
I can't help it.. I feel sorry for Lex. I always have. I'm such a sucker.

[BaK]

I would still like it much better if they never make Lex completely "evil"..
That is kind of boring thing in the comics/movies..

*and also the other two not completely un-together* :)

[avidreader]

Oh. :( I hadn't thought of that.
I can't help it.. I feel sorry for Lex. I always have. I'm such a sucker.

I did up until this year. :(

This year he's done some things that have been outright bad. No excuses.

I would still like it much better if they never make Lex completely "evil"..
That is kind of boring thing in the comics/movies..


I agree. A little ambiguity makes it interesting.

[The Caped Knight]

I'll have to disagree with you my dear friend. I think Kal's main point is, as always... DIE, LANA, DIE.
*shrug*



Actually Serene your wrong for a change, Pat understood My Main point.

[The Caped Knight]

Guys, guys, I think Kal's main point was this:

"I don't want SUPERMAN & LEX LUTHOR to become sworn enemies over a woman."

I have to agree with him on that. It's okay if she's one of many reasons. I (we?) just don't think the writers should overdo Lana's influence in causing the rift between Clark and Lex, that's all.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, Kal?)

Yes, you are correct Pat , I'm talking about SUPERMAN & Lex Luthor, not Clark Kent & Lex Luthor .

[AgentPat]

Gah! Everybody is reading too deep into something that, when distilled down, is pretty straight forward. I don't care what their history is - I KNOW it's wicked involved - all I'm saying is, please don't let Lana be the final straw. That's all. Nothing more to it. Yes, she's part of it - I just don't want to see her be the main part, or the topping that completed the cake. She can be one of the ingredients - like the eggs or the milk or something. (I kid, I KID!!! :p )

Years later, I just don't want to look back at Smallville and see Lana as the final nail that sealed the deal. It's too easy to over simplify in retrospect.

Not sure if I can explain it any more simple than that. :(

[avidreader]

Gah! Everybody is reading too deep into something that, when distilled down, is pretty straight forward. I don't care what their history is - I KNOW it's wicked involved - all I'm saying is, please don't let Lana be the final straw. That's all. Nothing more to it. Yes, she's part of it - I just don't want to see her be the main part, or the topping that completed the cake. She can be one of the ingredients - like the eggs or the milk or something. (I kid, I KID!!! :p )

Years later, I just don't want to look back at Smallville and see Lana as the final nail that sealed the deal. It's too easy to over simplify in retrospect.

Not sure if I can explain it any more simple than that. :(

Breathe in, breathe out. ;)

I think we're all pretty much saying the same thing. Those of us who do think that Lana will have some sort of play in it are just speculating what part she may have and to what degree. I think that if she were to play a part in it, there would be a much bigger picture associated with it. That is Lex will end up destroying the world as well.

We've all pretty much said that Lex and Clark are already beyond the point of no return of ever being friends again.

It would take a drastic change of lifestyle for Lex, as they showed us in Lexmas, for he and Clark to be friends again.

[triplet]

Here's the quicktime trailer, for those who might have missed it.

The WB finally posted it on their site. Find it here:

http://raincloud.warnerbros.com/thewb/us/content/h9pYqq_SM516a-trl_qt_300.mov

Just right click (or I believe open apple click for you mac-fiends) and select "save target as" and you can have your very own copy.

:D :up:

[avidreader]

Here's the quicktime trailer, for those who might have missed it.

The WB finally posted it on their site. Find it here:

http://raincloud.warnerbros.com/thewb/us/content/h9pYqq_SM516a-trl_qt_300.mov

Just right click (or I believe open apple click for you mac-fiends) and select "save target as" and you can have your very own copy.

:D :up:

Cant wait! :up:

[Kaboom]

Years later, I just don't want to look back at Smallville and see Lana as the final nail that sealed the deal.

LOL...read that mixed metaphor and tell me if you see the funny.

NO?

Clark and Lex, bitter enemies over a woman? and a final "nail" that "seals the deal"

i chuckled. i did.

[BaK]

Years later, I just don't want to look back at Smallville and see Lana as the final nail that sealed the deal. It's too easy to over simplify in retrospect.
Fair enough..
So lets NOT try to "oversimplify"..


The breakup between them is actually "much more" then "just over Lana", as it's already established here..
And one of the major ingrediants in "much more" - beautifully told in Lexmas..

The "almost happily ever after" version of his life having her in it..
You really have to be blind not to see how important she is for both of them..

The way they can actually keep Lex "not completely evil" is by using what he learned there, (her dying in hospital), to somehow set her free,
thus avoiding that kind of fate.. He can even do it by "making" her hate him - exposing his evil side..

Similar to Clark avoiding telling her the secret, for the same reason, saving her from dying..
Kind of a circle, spiral, or double helix if you will ;), the stuff of life.. :)

The "stuff of legends" friendship, fullfilled and broken - with the "stuff of life".. That's Smallville for you..
Pretty amazing if you ask me.. :)


(hmm.. maybe I should cut down with "metaphores"..
naah.. wth.. :) )

[GothicPowerMix1]

Not a bad week

Far Cry for the XBOX 360 comes out
Smallville Returns
Lost is back

[Super_Ludacris]

^^^ Bak with the ill flip in the debate!

[avidreader]

Fair enough..
So lets NOT try to "oversimplify"..


The breakup between them is actually "much more" then "just over Lana", as it's already established here..
And one of the major ingrediants in "much more" - beautifully told in Lexmas..

The "almost happily ever after" version of his life having her in it..
You really have to be blind not to see how important she is for both of them..

The way they can actually keep Lex "not completely evil" is by using what he learned there, (her dying in hospital), to somehow set her free,
thus avoiding that kind of fate.. He can even do it by "making" her hate him - exposing his evil side..

Similar to Clark avoiding telling her the secret, for the same reason, saving her from dying..
Kind of a circle, spiral, or double helix if you will ;), the stuff of life.. :)

The "stuff of legends" friendship, fullfilled and broken - with the "stuff of life".. That's Smallville for you..
Pretty amazing if you ask me.. :)


(hmm.. maybe I should cut down with "metaphores"..
naah.. wth.. :) )

Great metaphors. :up:

Clark and Lex parallel each other in so many ways, and Lana at the moment is a common denominator.

[tonytr1687]

Fair enough..
So lets NOT try to "oversimplify"..


The breakup between them is actually "much more" then "just over Lana", as it's already established here..
And one of the major ingrediants in "much more" - beautifully told in Lexmas..

The "almost happily ever after" version of his life having her in it..
You really have to be blind not to see how important she is for both of them..

The way they can actually keep Lex "not completely evil" is by using what he learned there, (her dying in hospital), to somehow set her free,
thus avoiding that kind of fate.. He can even do it by "making" her hate him - exposing his evil side..

Similar to Clark avoiding telling her the secret, for the same reason, saving her from dying..
Kind of a circle, spiral, or double helix if you will ;), the stuff of life.. :)

The "stuff of legends" friendship, fullfilled and broken - with the "stuff of life".. That's Smallville for you..
Pretty amazing if you ask me.. :)


(hmm.. maybe I should cut down with "metaphores"..
naah.. wth.. :) )

I completely agree. It's possible Lex took the dream literally and is going down the darker path so that Lana will be saved.

[ETHERSPIN]

I had the same funny issue with that helicopter scene as I did with a similar scene in Nocturne. We just have to forget physics sometimes in this show.;)

haha .. just a bit.. what are the chances that alien life would evolve to the same size and appearance as humans... and yet have an energy system closest to plants :confused:

:)

[Mike_D202]

anybody check out those trailer screen caps??

smookkkin'!

[avidreader]

Clip between Lex and Lex. Gosh he's a shady b******. :)

http://www.tv.com/smallville/show/1718/videos.html

[Serene]

Clip between Lex and Lex. Gosh he's a shady b******. :)
And Lana too! ;) :D

I can't wait to see this ep. I need a new SV fix.

[LEX]

Wow. :eek: Thanks for posting.

[avidreader]

And Lana too! ;) :D

I told you he was shady. ;)

I can't wait to see this ep. I need a new SV fix.

Tell me about it.

[tonytr1687]

What was so "shady" about that clip?

[triplet]

Clip between Lex and Lex. Gosh he's a shady b******. :)

http://www.tv.com/smallville/show/1718/videos.html

I took that literally, but I guess you meant to say "...Lex and Lana..."

I was expecting alexander to be back from Onyx... :D

He's playing her so hard... She's going to be very angry with Lex when she finds out how manipulative he's been.

[Super_Ludacris]

If Ever :(

[rumpuso]

He's playing her so hard... She's going to be very angry with Lex when she finds out how manipulative he's been.
Will you explain this Triplet? I saw the clip and didn't understand why people are thinking he's shading, unless of course it's pure speculation that he's using Lana to get information on Clark and the ship. Has there been a spoiler saying this?

Looking forward to tonight!

[triplet]

Will you explain this Triplet? I saw the clip and didn't understand why people are thinking he's shading, unless of course it's pure speculation that he's using Lana to get information on Clark and the ship. Has there been a spoiler saying this?

Looking forward to tonight!

well, I think it was obvious to me that he was playing her.... the whole, I'm not going to take you with me but I'll tell you everything when I get back thing is manipulative.

He knows she has trust issues with Clark and here comes Lex, playing it like he's open and yet he's clearly not telling her everything.

I mean, he was the one that orchestrated the testing on Victor in Cyborg... he's the one that kidnapped Arthur and was going to experiment on him... He's the one who's hired that Simone chick from tonight's episode to seduce Clark so that Lana will break up with him.

It seems to me the reason (given what I know from the spoilers) that Lex doesn't want Lana to go with him to Honduras is so she can catch Clark and Simone together, as he's planned. The trap is set for her and Lana going to Honduras would ruin it...

That's what is so creepy about that scene. He seems so open on one hand, but he has an agenda when it comes to her and she just doesn't see it.

Lex has been working hard to win Lana's trust when, in the end, he's probably the least trustworthy person she knows.

One thing has always been true: Lana doesn't like it when guys lie to her. I think she'll get very angry with Lex when she finds out just how manipulative he's become....

[avidreader]

What was so "shady" about that clip?

What Triplet said in the post above.

[Serene]

One thing has always been true: Lana doesn't like it when guys lie to her. I think she'll get very angry with Lex when she finds out just how manipulative he's become....

You know.. after her experiences with Clark, and then Lex.. it's a wonder this version of Lana Lang doesn't join a convent or something. C'mon..her other experiences with men are Adam(psycho#1) and Jason(psycho#2). Yikes :eek:.

Whitney, seemed to sincerely love her, but they were too young, and oh yeah.. he's DEAD.

Definitely convent time.

(j/k, of course. ;))

[triplet]

Lol!

:D

[avidreader]

To those who have the power, could you please make sure that you have your high quality screen capping equipment available for the Clark and Simone Loft Scene?

Many thanks in advance.

:D

[triplet]

LOL!

:D

I might be able to do something about that... ;)

[Scooter]

You know.. after her experiences with Clark, and then Lex.. it's a wonder this version of Lana Lang doesn't join a convent or something. C'mon..her other experiences with men are Adam(psycho#1) and Jason(psycho#2). Yikes :eek:.

Whitney, seemed to sincerely love her, but they were too young, and oh yeah.. he's DEAD.

Definitely convent time.

(j/k, of course. ;))

Yeah, she'd make a pretty hot nun...

[Super_Ludacris]

Holla!

[avidreader]

LOL!

:D

I might be able to do something about that... ;)

You beauty! :up: :)

[GothicPowerMix1]

Nice to see that this Show is continuing the whole just about every other Female Character but Lana finds out his Secret :o

[avidreader]

Nice to see that this Show is continuing the whole just about every other Female Character but Lana finds out his Secret :o

Does Lois know now too? :rolleyes: Damn! :)

[GothicPowerMix1]

Does Lois know now too? :rolleyes: Damn! :)

Not yet but it is her destiny to one day find out & not die, be a kryptonian freak etc. So Lois counts as someone who knows basically :o

[GothicPowerMix1]

Lana just offered Clark to do it & Clark gets all crappy again :down:o:down

[Colossal Spoons]

This Simone chick is beautiful. Before, all the guys in here were dying over that mediocre picture of Lois coming out of the lake; this is much better.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Lana just set like an international land speed record going from Metropolis to Smallville...

[GothicPowerMix1]

Thank god they are getting the Love stuff done with & the best thing about this Episode will be what Clark will have to deal with when he comes back to normal & remembers nothing :o

[The Incredible Hulk]

does kissing girls make you feel "icky" or something Dnsk? :p

[GothicPowerMix1]

does kissing girls make you feel "icky" or something Dnsk? :p

Nah just annoyed

I like normal Clark & Evil Clark. Not bastard Clark :o

[phoenixflight]

Great opening for the show - I totally love Brainiac. Who the hell is Simone and whoa, she is such a ..... (insert obvious word here)!! She works for Luthor - no surprise.

[The Incredible Hulk]

oh snap! Lex set it all up, but the chick didnt rat Clark out....

[GothicPowerMix1]

oh snap! Lex set it all up, but the chick didnt rat Clark out....

A) Simone tell's Clark to kill Lex

B) When Clark visit's Lex & Lex find's out Clark is there to kill him then Lex will tell Clark everything & bastard Clark will destroy the thingy :o

C) Lana & Clark will be over

D) Clark & Lex will be even more enemie's

[phoenixflight]

Lex will do what he must in order to get Lana and find out Clark's secrets. but why didn't she tell Lex!! Did they do it??

[Colossal Spoons]

Boy, Chloe sure does know a lot about Kryptonite.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Boy, Chloe sure does know a lot about Kryptonite.

She did study Freaks Of The Weeks all throughout High School

[The Incredible Hulk]

Chloe called it "K" like she was on the internet or something.....

[phoenixflight]

It's about time the show gets back to its main story plot

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah but she knows what effects they have on Clark.

[GothicPowerMix1]

I like that little tool Simone has :o

[phoenixflight]

Chloe has her own piece of green "K" - since when???

[GothicPowerMix1]

Chloe has her own piece of green "K" - since when???

Lex is being freaking screwed :o

[Colossal Spoons]

I missed the convo between Brain and Lex. Crap!

[GothicPowerMix1]

hahahahahahahaha @ how Clark knocked out Lois :o

[phoenixflight]

When did Clark learn about pressure points???

[GothicPowerMix1]

Clark got a little tooooooooo excited when Simone told him to kill Lex

[Colossal Spoons]

A) Simone tell's Clark to kill Lex

B) When Clark visit's Lex & Lex find's out Clark is there to kill him then Lex will tell Clark everything & bastard Clark will destroy the thingy :o

C) Lana & Clark will be over

D) Clark & Lex will be even more enemie's

You're on the right track to being 100% correct!

[GothicPowerMix1]

You're on the right track to being 100% correct!

& get this when Clark & Simone confront Lex Lex will more then likely get amazingly knocked out missing out any displays of Clark using his Powers to destroy the thingy

[Colossal Spoons]

When did Clark learn about pressure points???

Don't think it was pressure points. Tap from Clark = blunt force trauma to the head.

[Savage]

lol

[Colossal Spoons]

What exactly did Brain tell Lex?

[GothicPowerMix1]

It seems that Chloe has learned a thing or Two from Clark

[Colossal Spoons]

& get this when Clark & Simone confront Lex Lex will more then likely get amazingly knocked out missing out any displays of Clark using his Powers to destroy the thingy

Not quite :p

[GothicPowerMix1]

Okay so I was not 100 % right & Clark does not remember doing her in front of Lana :o & now Lex will be going after Chloe. Lex knows Chloe knows now

Edit - Okay so he remembers

[Colossal Spoons]

Lex knows like 50% of a lot of stuff. Poor guy.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Lex knows like 50% of a lot of stuff. Poor guy.

Lex is not stupid. He will start questioning how Chloe knew about the rock & Clark

[Colossal Spoons]

Lex has been questioning a lot of things. Everybody(including Smallville characters) has forgotten about that room in Lex's mansion that he dedicated to research on Clark.

[phoenixflight]

He looked her in the eyes and said "I don't love you". Holy s@@t!! Yeah!!! It's finally over - never saw them as a viable couple.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Well it took 5 Years for Clark to finally be honest with Lana for a change :o

[Colossal Spoons]

^How was that honesty? He does love her. He's just tired of hurting her.

[phoenixflight]

Multiple Brainiac's - wow!!

[GothicPowerMix1]

^How was that honesty?

He could have said the usual "I still love you" crap :o

[GothicPowerMix1]

& hey was that Braniac in a Kryptonian Suit :confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

So, Lana's gonna run right into Lex's arms?

[phoenixflight]

Lana went right to Lex - saw that coming a mile away

[GothicPowerMix1]

So, Lana's gonna run right into Lex's arms?

I am not surprised

[GothicPowerMix1]

Lana went right to Lex

Not a shock there now is it :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Lana's gonna get "The Luthor" :p

[GothicPowerMix1]

Lex actually tried defending Clark. He is evil :o

[O'Haire]

It will be interesting when she finds out Lex is such a ruthless bastard.:)

[GothicPowerMix1]

It will be interesting when she finds out Lex is such a ruthless bastard.:)

She can't trust any guy :o Aside from Whitney every other guy has user her

[Cmill216]

I was so waiting for a kiss. Dang you Lex. Make a move!!! :D

[Cmill216]

^How was that honesty? He does love her. He's just tired of hurting her.

Agreed. She's the love of his life, but he couldn't keep causing her so much pain. It was the right thing to do.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Agreed. She's the love of his life, but he couldn't keep causing her so much pain. It was the right thing to do.

But as Martha said she is going to end up hating Clark

[Michael Corleone]

Good episode except for one thing. I'm sorry but I am sick and tired of this Lana and Clark crap. There is no story arc there. It's the same story every season and it's just old and played out. But don't worry in the weeks to come they will forget the events that happened. A Lana, while not with Clark, will treat him the same way she always has. Supposedly hating him or her heart broken yet still laughing and carrying on like friends. Then only to have a passive agressive talk about him in the loft. Honestly...I could write a better story arc in my sleep.

[Cmill216]

But as Martha said she is going to end up hating Clark

Yeah, true, maybe. We'll see what happens though.

[tonytr1687]

I dont think Lex noticed the green K. So all he witnessed was Clark using his strength while under the control of someone else--something he's already seen before. Despite Lex being a ruthless bastard in this one, it did look like he felt kinda bad about it at the end. And was that "you just put your trust in the wrong person" suppose to mean something else?

[Cmill216]

I don't think he noticed the K, either. We would have seen him distinctly looking at it, IMO.

[tonytr1687]

Did anyone find it odd how cheery Clark and Lana were at the beginning? I mean the last time we saw them together was in Cyborg when Lana ran out of the loft sorta crying...so whats the deal there? And did anyone find it funny that Lex actually made up an excuse for Clark's strength? "You're hypnotized, Clark, how else do have this stength?" Either it was a horrible way for the writers to plug up the plot hole of Lex seeing Clark use his strength or we're suppose to believe that Lex is so gullible and has become so use to ppl in Smallville gaining super-strength when under mind-control that he actually believes that.

[Michael Corleone]

Did anyone find it odd how cheery Clark and Lana were at the beginning? I mean the last time we saw them together was in Cyborg when Lana ran out of the loft sorta crying...so whats the deal there? And did anyone find it funny that Lex actually made up an excuse for Clark's strength? "You're hypnotized, Clark, how else do have this stength?" Either it was a horrible way for the writers to plug up the plot hole of Lex seeing Clark use his strength or we're suppose to believe that Lex is so gullible and has become so use to ppl in Smallville gaining super-strength when under mind-control that he actually believes that.


It's called.."writing yourself into a corner"

[DarthSkywalker]

Did anyone find it odd how cheery Clark and Lana were at the beginning? I mean the last time we saw them together was in Cyborg when Lana ran out of the loft sorta crying...so whats the deal there? And did anyone find it funny that Lex actually made up an excuse for Clark's strength? "You're hypnotized, Clark, how else do have this stength?" Either it was a horrible way for the writers to plug up the plot hole of Lex seeing Clark use his strength or we're suppose to believe that Lex is so gullible and has become so use to ppl in Smallville gaining super-strength when under mind-control that he actually believes that.

Smallville's writing isn't it's strong suit to say the least.

[AgentPat]

Rhetorical question: Do *any* of the writers actually like Lana? Just wondering. :rolleyes:

Oh... and just to be fair, do *any* of the writers actually hate Chloe? Seems like she's been saving the day more than Clark lately. :rolleyes: x 2 :p

I'm glad Clark and Lana are over, but they're still going to drag the angst out through the end of the season, unfortunately. *sigh*

Marsters rules! :up: The opening (before the credit roll) was AWESOME! Loved the new score too.

The "Andromeda Strain" story arc they've just introduced is gonna rock.

What happened to Lionel and his "your secret is safe with me, Kal-El" angle? :(

And finally, \S/ for Simone. Outstanding! :D Simone is dead. Long live Simone. :up:

[tonytr1687]

Martha's line about Lana "doing something we'll all regret" is definite foreshadowing.

[Cmill216]

Martha's line about Lana "doing something we'll all regret" is definite foreshadowing.

Yeah. And we saw that teaser for the next episode.

[SLYspyder]

i thought it was qutie hilarious how clark knocked out lois. i was just wishing she'd say something like "I slipped" to chloe to explain clark getting the upperhand in true lois fashion.

i was cheering for clark when he was simone.

lex knows there's something strange about clark. he doesn't know what it is. so him saying "you're hypnotized, how else could you be so strong?" didn't necessarily rule out the fact that he thinks something is up with clark.

[Michael Corleone]

I'm glad Clark and Lana are over, but they're still going to drag the angst out through the end of the season, unfortunately. *sigh*




I feel the same way...It really feels like everything has been clicking this season except this. I don't know if the really think thats what we want to see or they really just cant figure out how to continue the relationship.

[tonytr1687]

Yeah. And we saw that teaser for the next episode.

No its more than that. The stuff in the next episode has to do with her parents not Clark. Whatever she does "that they'll all regret" its probably gonna involve Clark and Lex. Maybe Lana will help Lex try and figure out Clarks secret?

[GothicPowerMix1]

I wonder if the ratings will get even higher now that a Show like Supernatural is after Smallville & it is a good Episode of Supernatural as well :up:

[DarthSkywalker]

The problem with Lana and Clark is simple. They are Eros lovers. Thus they never got pasted the crush stage. No matter how they try to play it, they just don't seem to care as much about each other as the writers try to play off.

Oh, and because Lana is perhaps the worst written character i have ever seen. She is basically every single hip girl power concept of the 90s, contradicted by her very own actions. She is the needy girlfriend.

Just give me Lois and Clark already.

[tonytr1687]

i thought it was qutie hilarious how clark knocked out lois. i was just wishing she'd say something like "I slipped" to chloe to explain clark getting the upperhand in true lois fashion.

i was cheering for clark when he was simone.

lex knows there's something strange about clark. he doesn't know what it is. so him saying "you're hypnotized, how else could you be so strong?" didn't necessarily rule out the fact that he thinks something is up with clark.

Well we all know Lex is suspicious of Clark...thats a no brainer and its why that line makes zero sense.

[tonytr1687]

The problem with Lana and Clark is simple. They are Eros lovers. Thus they never got pasted the crush stage. No matter how they try to play it, they just don't seem to care as much about each other as the writers try to play off.

Oh, and because Lana is perhaps the worst written character i have ever seen. She is basically every single hip girl power concept of the 90s, contradicted by her very own actions. She is the needy girlfriend.

Just give me Lois and Clark already.

You Lana haters can keep on thinking that the two of them dont really love each other and never have and thats how you justify Lana being a "needy" girlfriend in your view...but the truth is they did love each other and thats why it breaks Lanas heart that Clark keeps lying to her. I know the story has gotten old but its obvious many of you geeks dont understand love or something considering how cynical you can be about the whole relationship and especially Lanas character.

[triplet]

Multiple Brainiac's - wow!!

When my daughter saw them, she said: "That is NOT good."

LOL!

Smart girl... :D ;)

I'm so proud.

[DarthSkywalker]

You Lana haters can keep on thinking that the two of them dont really love each other and never have and thats how you justify Lana being a "needy" girlfriend in your view...but the truth is they did love each other and thats why it breaks Lanas heart that Clark keeps lying to her. I know the story has gotten old but its obvious many of you geeks dont understand love or something considering how cynical you can be about the whole relationship and especially Lanas character.

Blame the writers. We can only talk like this because they have completely destoryed the character and the storyline.

Oh and Triplet smart kid... Unless or course she is like14. Then i would be expecting a little more then that.

[amazingfantasy15]

Yay, good Smallville again! I really hope the Clark and Lana relationship is done for good, the writers have taken it as far as it can go. It was great to see Milton Fine back, I could watch a show with just him and Lex those two work so well together.

[Venom71]

Well I thought it was an alright episode..I like the stuff with Fine and Lex but I wasn't impressed with the Simone story line...I was impressed with Simone though;) I am glad Lana & Clark are done. Next weeks episode looks interesting.

[Descendant]

Can anybody fill me in with Lex and Lana's discussion at the end. I missed it because of a damn weather advisory. Damn tornadoes!

[Cmill216]

Well I thought it was an alright episode..I like the stuff with Fine and Lex but I wasn't impressed with the Simone story line...I was impressed with Simone though;) I am glad Lana & Clark are done. Next weeks episode looks interesting.

Took the words right out of my mouth on all points. The Simone "storyline" was weak, but the rest of the episode was pretty good. \

As for the next episode: Lana needing Clark again, huh?

[tonytr1687]

Can anybody fill me in with Lex and Lana's discussion at the end. I missed it because of a damn weather advisory. Damn tornadoes!

It goes something like this:

Lana walks in.

Lex: Lana! Just the woman I wanted to see. Turns out our favorite mild-mannered professor isnt what he--
Lana: Lex I didnt come here to talk about Fine
Lex: Whats wrong?
Lana: I came here because I wanted you to hear it first
Lex: What happened?
Lana: Clark and I broke up...for real this time

Lana is crying and Lex has a look of guilt. Lana sits down on the couch.

Lana: I actually feel like four years worth of secrets has just been lifted off my shoulders
Lex: Lana...
Lana: You knew what it was like being friends with Clark. When he speaks to you and you never even know if he's telling the truth or not
Lex: Lana I know Clark isnt the easiest guy to have a relationship with--
Lana: Dont defend him, Lex...how could I have been so stupid?

Lex's face changes.

Lex: You're NOT stupid...you just put your trust in the wrong person

Its not word for word but I think its close enough.

[Descendant]

It goes something like this:

Lana walks in.

Lex: Lana! Just the woman I wanted to see. Turns out our favorite mild-mannered professor isnt what he--
Lana: Lex I didnt come here to talk about Fine
Lex: Whats wrong?
Lana: I came here because I wanted you to hear it first
Lex: What happened?
Lana: Clark and I broke up...for real this time

Lana is crying and Lex has a look of guilt. Lana sits down on the couch.

Lana: I actually feel like four years worth of secrets has just been lifted off my shoulders
Lex: Lana...
Lana: You knew what it was like being friends with Clark. When he speaks to you and you never even know if he's telling the truth or not
Lex: Lana I know Clark isnt the easiest guy to have a relationship with--
Lana: Dont defend him, Lex...how could I have been so stupid?

Lex's face changes.

Lex: You're NOT stupid...you just put your trust in the wrong person

Its not word for word but I think its close enough.

Thanks.

[triplet]

The thing is bout that scene is at the end, you can see Lex thinking someting after he tells Lana that last line... it seemed to me, he knew he was less trustworthy than Clark...

[tonytr1687]

The thing is bout that scene is at the end, you can see Lex thinking someting after he tells Lana that last line... it seemed to me, he knew he was less trustworthy than Clark...

What do you mean?

[triplet]

He gave a look like "I'm worse than Clark" I don't know how to describe it....