Tim Burton & Johnny Depp Team For 'Sweeney Todd'

[Darth Elektra]

I think it opens in more theaters this weekend.

Ok, I hope so.

It opened in about 1200 theaters. That was definitely less than the other films released:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2007&wknd=51&p=.htm

Yeah, My friend's theater didn't get it so while up at my place we went and watched it agian.

Weird, maybe this is why some of my friends thought it came out on Christmas.

Yup, samething. Even one thought it didn't open till Jan.

[Bond]

I saw this movie today, it was AWESOME. One of the best of 2007 :up:.

I gave it a 10

[danoyse]

I finally saw this last night. One of the best films I've seen this year.

I saw it at a theater in NYC last night, which was mobbed...and it seemed like a lot of the audience was unfamiliar with the story...so the audience reactions were great. When Sweeney asked the judge if he'd like a shave, people started cheering. :woot:

[PWN3R]

Saw it Christmas night, beautiful stuff. Best thing Burton has done IMO.

100/10.
I'm so buying the soundtrack.:up:

[Arkady Rossovich]

I can imagine some people will call themselfs "Sweeney Todd" or "Todd Sweeney" after watching this movie.

[bullets]

I'm thinking about buying the soundtrack tommorow. I have a long car ride to N.Y. this weekend it would be fun to listen to.

[Fran]

Loved the movie so much second time around :up:

[hammerhedd11]

Great adaption of the play. Carter and Depp were great singers. I was surprised it was so gory. 9/10

[Nirvana]

Seriously this was probably the best movie I saw in 2007. Truly a masterpiece. I really do hope this film gets pushed for award season. I already saw it twice, and I just had to go out and buy the cd. Truly amazing. Especially "Not While I'm Around".

Tim Burton is a genius, and all his other movies are totally badass. I have to say though, when I saw this movie there were tons of emo kids and old people there O.o

[Bond]

Who gave this movie a 3?

[Majik1387]

Who gave this movie a 3?

ANTOINE X :down

[Mr. Socko]

How did I manage to not vote yet...didn't even notice a poll despite it being right on the top of every page whenever I click the thread:oldrazz:

[Drizzle]

For the past week, "Epiphany" has been playing constantly on my iPod.

[Mr. Socko]

I'm listening to the soundtrack now, I'm on No Place like London. Got like 12 songs before I get to Epiphany and I won't skip. :cmad:

[french joker]

alright, who wants to PM me the soundtrack ?:woot:

[danoyse]

alright, who wants to PM me the soundtrack ?:woot:

Buy your own. :oldrazz:

I'm listening to Wait right now. I'm not skipping songs either, although yesterday I listened to it from Epiphany on twice.

[Untilteld]

alright, who wants to PM me the soundtrack ?:woot:

youtube it, it's all on there.

[Joker]

finally, after the Zune Marketplace not letting me connect all day, it finally let me on, and I am now the proud owner of the Sweeny Todd soundtrack :o

[Master Chief]

I liked it, was an awesome experience but as a movie meh. :o

[JP]

And I will get him back even as he gloats
In the mean while I'll practice on dishonorable throats!

And my Luuuuuuuucy lies in ashessssss :(
And I'll neeeeever see my girl again!
But the work waits!
I'm alive at last!
And I'm full of jooooooooooooooooy!!!

[DACrowe]

I listened to the old Original Broadway Cast recording recently (which I recommend to everyone as it is twice as long with many cut songs, most of which are great, but did not fit into the style of movie Burton was making or the process of cinematic storytelling, and while I love Depp/Carter, Cariou/Lansbury have MUCH better singing voices)...but it made me go see this again recently and now I have listened to the movie soundtrack again.

This is a movie that stays with you and in the last week + I still talk about it to people who haven't yet seen it. It simply was amazing and probably the best movie of the year.

[DACrowe]

BTW for a sample of the stage show, for those who have not seen it:

Epiphany:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cNy_uhzK2k&feature=related

and the full version (I still do not understand why they would touch a word in this song) of A Little Priest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYGHHxJnDIw

Enjoy.

[MaskedManJRK]

Here a review I wrote for it:

http://darkknightjrk.newsvine.com/_news/2007/12/30/1193514-he-never-forgot-he-never-forgave-movie-review-of-sweeney-todd

[MaskedManJRK]

and the full version (I still do not understand why they would touch a word in this song) of A Little Priest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYGHHxJnDIw

Enjoy.

I know, they took out my favorite line: "That everybody goes down well with beer!" :csad:

[Drizzle]

BTW for a sample of the stage show, for those who have not seen it:

Epiphany:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cNy_uhzK2k&feature=related

and the full version (I still do not understand why they would touch a word in this song) of A Little Priest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYGHHxJnDIw

Enjoy.

Wow. Depp has a much better singing voice than the original Sweeney. Just because he's the original doesn't mean he's better.

[Mr. Socko]

Remember Depp and Helena were in a studio recording their songs, which were probably tweaked for enhancements. Lansbury and Hearn are still terrific in performance...but after seeing the film, their look comes across as rather weak. Hearn is just wearing dirty pants and suspenders lol, that "hellish" look isn't quite there as well as it was with Johnny's Mr. T

[DACrowe]

Wow. Depp has a much better singing voice than the original Sweeney. Just because he's the original doesn't mean he's better.

Que?

I personally liked Depp (and HBC) in their roles a lot and will not diss either for their merits in the movie at all. I can even see people preferring the more raw and rock sounding vocals of Depp, but there is no question George Hearn is a better singer than Johnny Depp. He just has such a deeper voice and much more range.. BTW Hearn was not the original Sweeney, that was Len Cariou. Len has an even richer voice but I think Hearn gave more life to the character in the taped performance (see above) than the OBC recording, but I never saw either live, so I can't really say with any certainty on that.

And Lansbury is just amazing as Mrs. Lovett. Though I really loved HBC's interpretation and while purists cannot look past the changes, for film they really made her a much more fascinating and ultimately tragic character. She may be hilarious on stage but she is heart-wrenching on celluloid.

[DACrowe]

A few more...bloody clips.

Worst Pies in London:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvrXKbd0Go

The stage version of the Johanna reprise (cheesy Johanna included) and the Barber at his work. Better example of Hearn's skill as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIGFgOtPVBA&feature=related

And the wonderful (but neccessarily) cut ballad of Sweeney Todd, that is not in the film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlYTBcf4jvs&feature=related

P.S. This is a taped stage show, so expect large acting and not the nuance on choreography for the camera...because it is not.

[MaskedManJRK]

Remember Depp and Helena were in a studio recording their songs, which were probably tweaked for enhancements. Lansbury and Hearn are still terrific in performance...but after seeing the film, their look comes across as rather weak. Hearn is just wearing dirty pants and suspenders lol, that "hellish" look isn't quite there as well as it was with Johnny's Mr. T

I don't think so, because from the sound of the behind-the-scenes look that was on the Sweeney Todd MySpace page, it sounds pretty much the same.

Oh, and about the bolded part--slightly off-topic, but, with how Helena called him "Mistah T," was I the only one thinking of Helena playing a good Harley Quinn? :o

[DACrowe]

Well I always saw a correlation between the original (see Angela Lansbury) Mrs. Lovett and Harley Quinn. You can see it in Little Priest and at the end when she is scared of him, she is just a motor mouth of worship for her...puddin.

But I would avoid Harley Quinn in the movies.

[Bond]

A few more...bloody clips.

Worst Pies in London:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvrXKbd0Go
Yeesh, what an annoying singing voice.

[MaskedManJRK]

Well I always saw a correlation between the original (see Angela Lansbury) Mrs. Lovett and Harley Quinn. You can see it in Little Priest and at the end when she is scared of him, she is just a motor mouth of worship for her...puddin.

But I would avoid Harley Quinn in the movies.

I think the opposite, but, that's not what the thread's about. TANGENT! Moving on...

Yeesh, what an annoying singing voice.

Yeah, from the version I saw, she gets a lot better after that, espicially with "Poor Thing" and "A Little Priest."

[DACrowe]

It is intentionally annoying. The song is supposed to be sung with a lot of vibratto and switching between melodic and a cockney British accent. Carter couldn't sing with the accent, so it was dropped in the movie. Listen to her in A Little Priest or the end.

[Agentsands77]

I personally liked Depp (and HBC) in their roles a lot and will not diss either for their merits in the movie at all. I can even see people preferring the more raw and rock sounding vocals of Depp, but there is no question George Hearn is a better singer than Johnny Depp. He just has such a deeper voice and much more range..
Agreed.

Len has an even richer voice but I think Hearn gave more life to the character in the taped performance (see above) than the OBC recording, but I never saw either live, so I can't really say with any certainty on that.
Cariou's live performance was ten times more energetic than his work on the recording. You have to remember he destroyed his voice doing this part because he put everything into it. There's a few crappy clips of Len Cariou performing live on Broadway on YouTube, and you can get a good sense of the intensity of his performance (his "Epiphany" is quite scary):


Len Cariou's Epiphany (Live) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yOHRsCaFXTA)
Len Cariou's A Little Priest (Live) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6JDfnc9p2m4)
Len Cariou's Johanna (Live) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fQ2DcdUEWVo)
Len Cariou's Finale (Live) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=jv2avYC7xM0)

There's never been as great a Sweeney, IMO.

[The Guard]

And there never will be. Although Depp, for not being a classically trained singer, did very, very well with the role. I don't quite agree with any previous's Sweeneys' completely-over-the-top performances. There is room for subtlety in the role, and Depp handled that excellently.

I do think, though, that the film actors likely had advantages that the stage performers didn't. For one, they're likely not moving around when they actually recorded the soundtrack, or exerting themselves half as much.

[DACrowe]

Or having to play to an audience of possibly thousands right in front off them to high above. Acting for a camera leaves more room for subtelty and nuance that stage performing cannot take advantage of. But on stage there is the ability to jump into the surreal easier and the abstract without losing an audience and an easier ability to connect with audiences emotionally as they are right there. The stage has its advantages too.

BTW Agent, what did you think of Cervis, because outside of a professional university production, I've only seen the revival on stage. I had mixed feelings and preferred the more traditional take the University production did and didn't particularly care for Lupone or the instruments on stage for the actors to play. But what did you think of that production?

[Agentsands77]

BTW Agent, what did you think of Cervis, because outside of a professional university production, I've only seen the revival on stage. I had mixed feelings and preferred the more traditional take the University production did and didn't particularly care for Lupone or the instruments on stage for the actors to play. But what did you think of that production?
The Revival is interesting as an alternate take. I'm not one of its die-hard fans. It has some nice things about it (I like its setting for the song "By The Sea" - delightfully morbid). If there's one thing I appreciate about it, it's the intimacy it creates. And the more modern take on the costumes is also refreshing, giving the show a bit of an edge. But stripping down the orchestrations isn't a win for me. So much of what I love about SWEENEY is the incredible complexity of its score. I can tolerate the reorchestrations, but I can never love them.

As far as Cerveris is concerned, I think he's kind of... boring. I never quite connect with him emotionally. I know others adore him, and I do think he's a talented actor, but I'm just not a fan.

LuPone? Well, I love her... but not in the revival. I love her in the concert setting she did (captured on the CD with the New York Philharmonic and on the lovely DVD). In that, she's lively, funny, and as great a Mrs. Lovett as I could ask for. In the revival, she's far too subdued.

I'll be seeing the current revival cast a little later this year, and a different set of performers might make me feel very different about it all. I understand that the show has become a bit more lively with subsequent performers.

[The Guard]

Or having to play to an audience of possibly thousands right in front off them to high above. Acting for a camera leaves more room for subtelty and nuance that stage performing cannot take advantage of. But on stage there is the ability to jump into the surreal easier and the abstract without losing an audience and an easier ability to connect with audiences emotionally as they are right there. The stage has its advantages too.

Many Broadway shows mic their actors now, so playing to a full house is less of an issue than it used to be, although more people does tend to deaden sound. There is definitely a kind of subtlety that stage actors cannot engage it, but I still think the Broadway actors could dial it down a notch and remain easily as effective as characters. Audiences become immersed in a show, and they start to see very small changes in facial features, mannerisms, etc.

Then too, a film actor has take after take after take to get things right, and on stage, you get one chance, unless you're one of those perfectionists actors who insists on stopping the show and redoing the lines you flubbed.

[Agentsands77]

There is definitely a kind of subtlety that stage actors cannot engage it, but I still think the Broadway actors could dial it down a notch and remain easily as effective as characters.
I don't know that I agree that all Broadway actors to do the part are too OTT. IMO, the only "recorded" Sweeney that goes into that territory is George Hearn, who really hams it up. But Len Cariou and Michael Cerveris definitely play the part in a more subdued fashion.

Audiences become immersed in a show, and they start to see very small changes in facial features, mannerisms, etc.
Not from the back row, they don't.

[Drizzle]

So I'm watching parts of the 1982 version on YouTube and I have to ask.... Why in the blue hell are the actors playing Johanna and Anthony look like they're 40? The characters are supposed to be teenagers.

[JP]

Child Labor Laws.

[Majik1387]

So I'm watching parts of the 1982 version on YouTube and I have to ask.... Why in the blue hell are the actors playing Johanna and Anthony look like they're 40? The characters are supposed to be teenagers.

Simply put, it was the 80's and a lot of the time, for stage acting, the actors are much older than their counterpart. Plus child labor laws, thanks JP.

[Drizzle]

Well they could have at least hired 20 year olds or something.

[DACrowe]

That is true for most stage acting. They both look to be about in their '30s, maybe late '20s in Johanna's case. Try and find a 16 year-old who can sing 8 times a week difficult material, it ain't as easy as it sounds. Besides, only people in the first 5-8 rows will notice.

[Drizzle]

Well, younger kids in stage productions get by easily today, as seen with "The Lion King". Yet again, there aren't as many songs in "The Lion King" as there are with "Sweeney Todd".

Anyway, wanted to share this slice of awesome with you guys:

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[JP]

Omg!!

[MaskedManJRK]

The Revival is interesting as an alternate take. I'm not one of its die-hard fans. It has some nice things about it (I like its setting for the song "By The Sea" - delightfully morbid). If there's one thing I appreciate about it, it's the intimacy it creates. And the more modern take on the costumes is also refreshing, giving the show a bit of an edge. But stripping down the orchestrations isn't a win for me. So much of what I love about SWEENEY is the incredible complexity of its score. I can tolerate the reorchestrations, but I can never love them.

As far as Cerveris is concerned, I think he's kind of... boring. I never quite connect with him emotionally. I know others adore him, and I do think he's a talented actor, but I'm just not a fan.

LuPone? Well, I love her... but not in the revival. I love her in the concert setting she did (captured on the CD with the New York Philharmonic and on the lovely DVD). In that, she's lively, funny, and as great a Mrs. Lovett as I could ask for. In the revival, she's far too subdued.

I'll be seeing the current revival cast a little later this year, and a different set of performers might make me feel very different about it all. I understand that the show has become a bit more lively with subsequent performers.

Is there any video of the performance? I could only find the condenced version they did for the Tony Awards.

[CorpusBlack]

Wow! This movie impressed me. It's been a while since Burton has satisfied me.

[luke1234]

yeah it was pretty incredible

[The Guard]

I've seen a lot from the back row, but it depends on the makeup used, I guess. I'm not saying you see every little twinkle of the eye, but you can often tell when an actor is emoting subtly if you pay close attention to their performance.

I believe that older actors played younger parts in many shows on Broadway because Broadway, like Hollywood, is very often all about who you "are" and who you know, not just if you're the best for the role. In other words, some stage actors got Broadway jobs they may not neccessarily have been best suited for. There are plenty of younger actors who could have sung and acted those parts in the 70's and 80's (the music is really not that difficult for those who have the range).

[L0ngsh0t]

This movie put me to sleep at times, especially in the brutal beginning of the film that seemed to take about 45 minutes to get started. Everything kind of seemed slow and lifeless but that is almost the standard for musical movies, the energy is lost when it is on television imo, Depp was fine Helena was fine, the actors where all fine, the singing was good enough. This was even able to beat my usual loath of most things Burton (Big Fish excluded), with me giving it a passable rating, but I think this is a far far far cry from anything close to resembling a academy award winning movie.

7/10

[StrainedEyes]

I loved the pace, I thought it was just right.

[JP]

Everything kind of seemed slow and lifeless but that is almost the standard for musical movies

I disagree, and no.

[DACrowe]

Slow? No, it just focused on developing the characters and plot instead of being a dumb slasher movie. As for lifeless, well these characters are sick of life and have all been kicked in the gut by it, so none of them are loud and happy (though on stage Mrs. Lovett is), but that was the point and it worked.

[Drizzle]

Everything kind of seemed slow and lifeless but that is almost the standard for musical movies

I don't know. I can't fully disagree with you on that, because I fell asleep while watching both "The Phantom of the Opera" and "Hairspray". But I didn't think any part of "Sweeney Todd" was slow and lifeless, except for "Not While I'm Around". I'm not a fan of musicals but I thought "Sweeney Todd" was one of the best films of the year.

[L0ngsh0t]

Slow? No, it just focused on developing the characters and plot instead of being a dumb slasher movie. As for lifeless, well these characters are sick of life and have all been kicked in the gut by it, so none of them are loud and happy (though on stage Mrs. Lovett is), but that was the point and it worked.

Nothing happens in the first half hour of the film, we get a little back story but it goes by so quick that if you watched the trailer that told you the exact same thing about the characters i.e. Rickman took everything Todd had, and left him for dead, Todd wants revenge that was the back story and that is what we got from the trailer also. The characters of Johanna and the Sailor where massively underdeveloped for being essentially the driving force of the movie. Rickman does far to little to be considered the villainy he is being charged with in the movie, finally about an hour into it we see him doing something heinous (Trying to marry his ward, and then sending her to prison) until then he is just a strict caretaker who's ward just wants to get out of the house.

And by lifeless I mean there is no energy to the movie, but all musical movies suffer from that, just like seeing a band live and it being awesome, but their album is not nearly as good, seeing a musical live is a whole different animal. There is the energy being oozed out at a alarming rate on stage, and it is something a very small small amount of move musicals have been able to capture, grease was one, I think Hairspray was another which I found to be leagues better than this musical movie. The songs where great, but I have only seen the recorded version of this stage musical and that I was able to get much more energy than this slow moving flick.

There is always a couple movies I find to be behemothly overrated every year, last year it was United 93 and Little Miss Sunshine, and this year looks to be no different with Sweeny Todd, and then Bourne Ultimatum, which I like both movies enough like ST I'd give a 7/10, and Bourne an 8/10 but both are on average getting like 9+'s which I think is just much too high.

[Agentsands77]

Nothing happens in the first half hour of the film, we get a little back story but it goes by so quick that if you watched the trailer that told you the exact same thing about the characters i.e. Rickman took everything Todd had, and left him for dead, Todd wants revenge that was the back story and that is what we got from the trailer also.
You should never view a film in light of its trailer. It would probably have played better had you not seen the trailer (yet another reason trailers often ruin films). If you were experiencing it just as it was, there's a sense of discovery as more layers of Todd's background are uncovered, rather than this sense of "Hey, I knew this already from the trailer."

The first half hour of SWEENEY TODD sets up the characters, their personalities, their motivations, the thematic core of the story all very skillfully. And I think the backstory is much more powerfully told than it is in the trailer... without that extrapolation and discovery, we're not brought into Sweeney's character like we should be.

The characters of Johanna and the Sailor where massively underdeveloped for being essentially the driving force of the movie.
How are they the driving force of the story? They're nothing but supporting characters in a much larger drama of villainy and revenge.

Rickman does far to little to be considered the villainy he is being charged with in the movie, finally about an hour into it we see him doing something heinous (Trying to marry his ward, and then sending her to prison) until then he is just a strict caretaker who's ward just wants to get out of the house.
Umm... lessee, he falsely condemned Todd to exile in work camps, raped his wife in front of a crowd of onlookers, and then stole his child, whom he now lusts over. He wrongfully condemns a young child to death. That all spells "heinous" to me.

There is the energy being oozed out at a alarming rate on stage, and it is something a very small small amount of move musicals have been able to capture, grease was one, I think Hairspray was another which I found to be leagues better than this musical movie. The songs where great, but I have only seen the recorded version of this stage musical and that I was able to get much more energy than this slow moving flick.
GREASE and HAIRSPRAY are silly dance-a-lot musicals that are all about flash. They're happy stories. They're not bleak tragedies where the characters are worn out. As DACrowe points out:

As for lifeless, well these characters are sick of life and have all been kicked in the gut by it, so none of them are loud and happy (though on stage Mrs. Lovett is), but that was the point and it worked.

[The Guard]

I never found SWEENEY TODD boring. Sure, not much action is going on at first, but it's more of a character piece than most of Burton's past works were. It was pretty much consistently interesting and funny from the get-go. It's building to something, and without that build, the end result just wouldn't pop like it does in the movie.

There is always going to be a kind of energy to a live stage performance that doesn't exist in a media viewing of one. Ask anyone who's been both on stage and in front of a camera. There's an immediacy and an outright back and forth energy exchange between the actor and the audience to live theatre that a film will pretty much never have.

Also, bringing energy to a performance doesn't neccessarily involve being bombastic and outgoing or over the top. Some roles require a more reserved performance, that nevertheless requires a lot of energy and can often be more taxing on an actor. Essentially, there are many different kinds of presence and energy.

[Untilteld]

I heard it didn't do so well at the BO? :(

[JP]

It's actually doing rather for an R rated musical released in a little over a thousand theaters.

[Drizzle]

I think it's made back either half or two-thirds of its budget, so not bad.

[Mr. Socko]

This movie put me to sleep at times, especially in the brutal beginning of the film that seemed to take about 45 minutes to get started. Everything kind of seemed slow and lifeless but that is almost the standard for musical movies, the energy is lost when it is on television imo, Depp was fine Helena was fine, the actors where all fine, the singing was good enough. This was even able to beat my usual loath of most things Burton (Big Fish excluded), with me giving it a passable rating, but I think this is a far far far cry from anything close to resembling a academy award winning movie.

7/10

I don't agree as I thought the entire film was fantastic. But you giving anything Tim Burton related a 7/10 is definitely progress:oldrazz:

[DACrowe]

True, I just want to point out that Grease and Hairspray were pretty much silly, empty-headed mindless fluff pieces of entertainment. I'd say on stage there are many better musicals of their kind, but for the screen they were both adapted well and are pretty to look at and make you laugh and leave your thought other than a few memorable tunes from each and a passable (if empty) book and lyrics.

Sweeney Todd is a melodrama that borders on opera and the movie took away all chorus numbers for better or worse (and while I love the ballad, I'd say for better) and is just characters. These characters are much more complex than the archtypes and intentional cliches that populate Hairspray and are a mixture of boiling emotions and Burton has Depp and Carter play both their characters as introverted in the leads and withdrawn on some level or another, which is EXTREMELY rare for a musical (particularly for the character of Mrs. Lovett) but it works, really well. This is a movie where characters express themselves through song, but they are still in the story and not stopping for a musical number, the jump between singing and talking and back again is natural and flowing as opposed to forced. The music is more complex and tricky than pop ballads that populate the two musicals you mention and the story is dark. It is building to something. That would be like complaining it took too long for Sandy to meet Danny Zuko and find out he is a jerk in front of his friends because you know the story gets to that point but it has to build to it and cannot begin with that in the first five minutes. The same goes for Sweeney building up who these characters are, where they come from and why they live in such a ****hole of a city and time and place and are so hung up on vengence, love or innocence like they are. Johanna is not a central character so much as a figure of idolizing by the three male characters and Burton zeros in on this (even if he mistakingly took out the Judge's Johanna) and at the end we meet the real her and again it increases the movie's dark and complex tone. It does not end on a high feel good beat that leaves the audience with an energy of momentary soaring like Hairspray or Grease but as strong jolt to the nuts and even knowing the story left me stunned after it ended and the whole audience in shock and the darkness and sadness that it ends on. It reaches that point far better than Hairspray did it's and that is why weeks later I still think of Sweeney Todd in awe while Hairspray entertained me but was out of my mind by the end of that evening.

[L0ngsh0t]

I don't agree as I thought the entire film was fantastic. But you giving anything Tim Burton related a 7/10 is definitely progress:oldrazz:

Well yeah, I defiantly say take my review with a grain of salt considering I think Edward Scissorhands like a 5, and Batman a 6, Sleepy Hollow a 4. I wish he was more like Big Fish, or I wish he changed it up with every flick, cause while Big Fish is a departure it still emphasizes his flair for aesthetics that he has a talent for, albeit he tends to repeat things alot in movies. But my two favorites are Big Fish and Ed Wood cause they are the biggest departures from his normal works and they are just great movies

[DACrowe]

Bump.

I shall not let this movie go quietly into the night!

[Brick]

Just heard the film version of Johanna for the 1st time and it's very bland if you ask me.

[Agentsands77]

Just heard the film version of Johanna for the 1st time and it's very bland if you ask me.
Which "Johanna"? Anthony's? Or the trio?

[Lord Blackbolt]

They were showing the old TV movie...The Tale of Sweeny Todd...with Ben Kingsley as Sweeny. It wasn't a musical though. Pretty interesting that the two different stories are soo different. Anybody see this other movie?

[Brick]

Which "Johanna"? Anthony's? Or the trio?
Jamie Campbell Bower, Johnny Depp & Laura Michelle Kelly version of Johanna is just so bland and it's sad becasue i'm a big fan of the song and the way they sing it just contains no passion what so ever

[Majik1387]

I sort of understand what you mean. It seemed more like a song to go with the montage of the movie rather than actually having emotion in it. I still liked it though.

[JP]

I enjoyed it.. it's actually my favorite song in the movie sans Epiphany.

And Johanna's small part was cut from that song in the film. Only Sweeney and Anthony sing it.

[Brick]

I sort of understand what you mean. It seemed more like a song to go with the montage of the movie rather than actually having emotion in it. I still liked it though.

I enjoyed it.. it's actually my favorite song in the movie sans Epiphany.

And Johanna's small art was cut from that song in the film. Only Sweeney and Anthony sing it.
Well i have not seen the film yet so my mind will not be made up till then

[Mandi-chan]

I saw it the other night and loved it!
Although, my enjoyment of the film was killed slightly due to a couple of people rudely laughing at completely inappropriate parts.

I've been listening to the soundtrack somewhat obsessively since then (I have the short soundtrack, and have now located and purchased the longer one)...I can't wait to see it again!

[Untilteld]

Johanna's part in the song was lame and unnecessary, didn't fit. I personally love the trio version of Johanna.

[Mr. Socko]

They were showing the old TV movie...The Tale of Sweeny Todd...with Ben Kingsley as Sweeny. It wasn't a musical though. Pretty interesting that the two different stories are soo different. Anybody see this other movie?


I saw it as well. Sweeney must be a musical firstly, and Sweeney himself looked like Will Turner with black hair. That didn't look like Kingsley at all.

[Matt]

Just got back from it. I give it in a nine. It would be a ten if it didn't start out so slowly (it really doesn't pick up until about half way through when the Judge pays his first visit to Sweeney Todd). But after that...amazing. Definitely Burton's most beautifully filmed movie since Edward Scissor Hands. And the ending was heartbreaking. Great movie :up:

[Majik1387]

I found the beginning a bit slow only because they did away with the whore behavior of the beggar woman.

[JP]

How would you like a little muff dear
A little jig jig
A little bounce around the bush
Wouldn't you like to push me pastly?
It seems to me dear like you've got plenty there to push

:o

[DACrowe]

Hey mister, don't I know, you?

[DACrowe]

Jamie Campbell Bower, Johnny Depp & Laura Michelle Kelly version of Johanna is just so bland and it's sad becasue i'm a big fan of the song and the way they sing it just contains no passion what so ever

I think you need to see the movie first. I think the singing is very much helped by the visuals and whole performances. The beauty of Depp's Epiphany is his interaction with Carter's Mrs. Lovett (much more sinister and scary on stage) and Burton's visual and editing techniques in the second half.

I think Depp honestly does suffer most from his limitations in thhis song, though. While his vocals were perfectly suited for My Friends, The Barber and His Wife, Epiphany and A Little Priest, the one that you felt his real limitations on was not Pretty Women surprisingly, but Johanna reprise. It is the one song that really has to be sung completely mournful and hauntingly beautiful, which adds to the humor of him singing this lamenting love song to his daughter as he kills people. In the movie it is passable because the way Burton shoots this and the brutality of the murders works to perfect black comedy as it is both hilarious and repulsive at the same time with a bit of sadness underneath.

Still, I think that was Depp's weakest interpretation, even though it is one of my favorite songs in the show and I still like it in the movie. Carter has similar trouble with Worst Pies in London, which is too bad, because that is Lovett's best song IMO. Even so, I think they were both excellent in this movie and completely iconic. I also saw no problems whatsoever with the Anthony in the movie.

[Secret_Riddle]

It's wierd..I was convinced his wife was played by Kate Hudson..but she isn't..I was 100 percent convinced.

[Road Warrior]

Overall it was a good movie. I think the fact that most of the cast members were unprofessional singers may have hurt the movie. There were some musical numbers that were fantastic like Epiphany but then were really bad ones like when Sweeney and the Judge were singing their duet. My ears were about to start bleeding during that scene. It was really bad singing. And then there was musical numbers saved by Burton's direction. Mrs. Lovett's fantasy was hilarious. I loved Sweeney's Beetlejuice-esque bathing suit. It was a nice nod by Burton to his fans.

Also, oddly enough some of the best scenes were the ones where people weren't singing. Example:
Sweeney constructing the death chair as I call it.
Anthony rescuing Johanna. I loved it when the mental patients attacked that guy.
Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett searching for Toby.

A movie based on the legend of Sweeney Todd may have been more interesting than the one we got based on the musical.

[Agentsands77]

There were some musical numbers that were fantastic like Epiphany but then were really bad ones like when Sweeney and the Judge were singing their duet.
"Pretty Women"? That was one of my favorite scenes in the film, actually. Visually stunning, and I didn't think the music was all that bad... Rickman's no singer, mind you, but I think it worked okay.

Also, oddly enough some of the best scenes were the ones where people weren't singing. Example:
Sweeney constructing the death chair as I call it.
Anthony rescuing Johanna. I loved it when the mental patients attacked that guy.
Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett searching for Toby.
You really thought those were some of the best scenes? I didn't think there was anything particularly impressive about any of those. There were some nice touches, but they didn't stay with me like some of other moments in the film did.

[bullets]

I think some of the songs go best with watching the movie, especially johanna in this case. I saw it again this past weekend with a couple of freinds and they loved it . this is the only musical i could ever sit through .
I didn't think the first half of the film was boring , i thought it kind of died down a little in the middle but then picks up again .

[DACrowe]

I loved their rendition of Pretty Women. :(

Those were nice scenes, but the finale or Epiphany or My Frineds (or Pretty Women) were much more memorable. By the way, the sewer scene did have Mrs. Lovett singing.

[Road Warrior]

"Pretty Women"? That was one of my favorite scenes in the film, actually. Visually stunning, and I didn't think the music was all that bad... Rickman's no singer, mind you, but I think it worked okay.

Rickman can't sing and Depp is hit or miss. Sometimes he kicks ass, like in Epiphany, and other times he's bad.

You really thought those were some of the best scenes? I didn't think there was anything particularly impressive about any of those. There were some nice touches, but they didn't stay with me like some of other moments in the film did.

Maybe I liked the non-singing scenes because the idea of a movie based on the legend of sweeney todd interests me more than an adaptation of the musical. Those scenes proved that Burton, if he wanted, could have done an awesome movie on the legend.

the sewer scene did have Mrs. Lovett singing.

Yea, but it wasn't a full blown musical number. It was more of a suspense scene.

[Agentsands77]

It is the one song that really has to be sung completely mournful and hauntingly beautiful, which adds to the humor of him singing this lamenting love song to his daughter as he kills people.
I thought Depp's version of "Johanna (Reprise)" was among the more mournful/haunting versions I've ever seen. It was filled with melancholy, which was a very different approach than some others have taken. It's certainly much more so than George Hearn's rather mirthful rendition.

[Agentsands77]

Rickman can't sing and Depp is hit or miss. Sometimes he kicks ass, like in Epiphany, and other times he's bad.
Rickman doesn't have a good voice, but it's still an interesting one. Kind of like Jeremy Irons' singing voice. I think his weird, unique sound works, especially since the judge is supposed to be such a creepy character. I really wish he had gotten the chance to sing the judge's "Johanna."

As for Depp, I never once think he's bad. I think he ranges from passable to very good, and "Pretty Women" ranks as passable (though the scene becomes excellent because of the performances, Burton's phenomenal direction, and the editing).

Those scenes proved that Burton, if he wanted, could have done an awesome movie on the legend.
Maybe, but IMO, the musical is the ultimate version of the legend. All the other takes pale in comparison, and Burton couldn't have done better if he tried to go an original route... it was better to just adapt Sondheim's work.

[Road Warrior]

Maybe, but IMO, the musical is the ultimate version of the legend. All the other takes pale in comparison, and Burton couldn't have done better if he tried to go an original route... it was better to just adapt Sondheim's work.

An adaptation of the musical is a great idea, but you're gonna cast non-singers you might as well just do a movie based on the legend of Sweeney Todd. I love Burton. He is one of my favorite directors but his approach here just didn't work. If you're gonna do a musical then cast singers not your best friend and wife. Like I said earlier the movie is really good but it would have been better with people who can actually sing. And don't get me wrong. Johnny Depp did a wonderful job. His singing was hit or miss but his performance was fantastic. But like I said with this cast a non-musical may have worked best.

[Agentsands77]

An adaptation of the musical is a great idea, but you're gonna cast non-singers you might as well just do a movie based on the legend of Sweeney Todd.
Non-singers are only bad if they don't work. There are plenty of cases where unique sounds that are far from acceptable in normal standards can produce solid work. This can be especially true in the world of musicals, where often the stress is on how well the respective performer embodies the character, not on how well they sing. The best version of "Send in the Clowns" to date is Judi Dench's (as recorded on HEY, MR. PRODUCER!), and she can't sing a lick, but the emotion drips from every word.

In Burton's SWEENEY TODD, the cast's unique voices here each brought something new to their roles, and in almost every case, it was worthwhile. Given the performers' dedication to their characters, I felt like the music actually gained something from having even deeper performances applied to it, even when the technical side of the music suffered a bit. Their casting certainly fits with Sondheim's mantra of "actors who sing, not singers who act." Remember, Sondheim's the guy who cast Glynis Johns in A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC. Everyone involved in Burton's SWEENEY is miles better than her as far as musical talent is concerned.

To look at HBC, she may not be able to sustain a phrase like a great singer (though that really only takes its toll on "The Worst Pies in London"), but man, does that voice haunt me. Its whispery, unearthly tone does have something quite beautiful about it. As a result, I've never heard Mrs. Lovett's longing for Todd in "My Friends" or her desperate pleading in the "Final Sequence" done quite as effectively as her renditions, even though hers isn't the most successful from a musicianship standpoint. There's a reason she was Sondheim's favorite during the recording sessions.

As it stands, I'm more than happy to set my SWEENEY TODD soundtrack alongside the OBC recording and the New York Philharmonic recordings.

[batgirl2119]

i loved it. i think that for a musical, be it theatre or silver screen, its not always the beauty of the voice that ppl are going for, its, can this person evoke the emotion, portray the character through the song? i thought they did a great job, was very impressed. when i go to a musical i don't always expect the greatest voices for every role, but i do want to see some good acting, while they're singing, facial expression, body language, etc.

[Mr. Socko]

An adaptation of the musical is a great idea, but you're gonna cast non-singers you might as well just do a movie based on the legend of Sweeney Todd. I love Burton. He is one of my favorite directors but his approach here just didn't work. If you're gonna do a musical then cast singers not your best friend and wife. Like I said earlier the movie is really good but it would have been better with people who can actually sing. And don't get me wrong. Johnny Depp did a wonderful job. His singing was hit or miss but his performance was fantastic. But like I said with this cast a non-musical may have worked best.

I disagree. I don't think the film would have been as good if it weren't a musical or adaptation of S. Sondheim's work. Fantastic cast and I thought they all did very well.

Pirelli's Miracle Elixir came off so excellent, Toby was enchanting:woot:

[JP]

I can't imagine Sweeney not being a musical.

Although I also can't imagine Hairspray and Legally Blonde not being musicals. :p

[The Guard]

I wouldn't call any of the leads "non singers" on any level. They may not have been classically trained or very operatic (which can be beneficial with some material), but they could clearly sing, and had resonance to their voices, with few pitch issues. I defy most trained singers (trained singers, not Broadway superstars) to sing as beautifully as Johnny Depp did on the higher notes in his range, or to match what HBC did, or even what Sacha was doing. Or the kid.

[Road Warrior]

I wouldn't call any of the leads "non singers" on any level. They may not have been classically trained or very operatic (which can be beneficial with some material), but they could clearly sing, and had resonance to their voices, with few pitch issues. I defy most trained singers (trained singers, not Broadway superstars) to sing as beautifully as Johnny Depp did on the higher notes in his range, or to match what HBC did, or even what Sacha was doing. Or the kid.

Sacha was fantastic. His performance was my favorite. The man will be a HUGE star one day. Yea, he's big in England but he'll be big in the U.S. very soon.

[Drizzle]

Sacha was fantastic. His performance was my favorite. The man will be a HUGE star one day. Yea, he's big in England but he'll be big in the U.S. very soon.

He's already big in the U.S. Does "Borat" ring any bells?

[Road Warrior]

He's already big in the U.S. Does "Borat" ring any bells?

The character BORAT is popular. Sacha Baron Cohen, the actor, is not. I know that doesn't make sense, but it's the fact. If you ask random people on the street who Sacha Baron Cohen is most will say "who?" Now ask who Borat is and everyone will know. I think Cohen retiring Ali G and Borat was a smart move. He'll become a popular actor in a few years. His next role is in a Steven Spielberg movie.

[The Guard]

Sacha was fantastic. His performance was my favorite. The man will be a HUGE star one day. Yea, he's big in England but he'll be big in the U.S. very soon.

He is quite the talented person.

[Drizzle]

The character BORAT is popular. Sacha Baron Cohen, the actor, is not. I know that doesn't make sense, but it's the fact. If you ask random people on the street who Sacha Baron Cohen is most will say "who?" Now ask who Borat is and everyone will know. I think Cohen retiring Ali G and Borat was a smart move. He'll become a popular actor in a few years. His next role is in a Steven Spielberg movie.

Still, it's not like he's an unknown actor.

Now, this is better than anything in "Alvin and the Chipmunks":
7Z76SoxDacw

[Bond]

Still, it's not like he's an unknown actor.

Now, this is better than anything in "Alvin and the Chipmunks":
7Z76SoxDacw
lawlz BRILLIANCE!

[batgirl2119]

Still, it's not like he's an unknown actor.

Now, this is better than anything in "Alvin and the Chipmunks":
7Z76SoxDacw
omg! that was hilarious.

[Mr. Socko]

Still, it's not like he's an unknown actor.

Now, this is better than anything in "Alvin and the Chipmunks":
7Z76SoxDacw


OMGOD!!!!!!!!!:grin::grin::grin:

Sounds just like the Chipmunks

[zhulok]

^^^
Thats pretty funny lol.

[Catman]

Now, this is better than anything in "Alvin and the Chipmunks":
7Z76SoxDacw

:wow::wow::wow: :woot::up:

[Spider-Fan]

Saw this again on Tuesday, and I must alter my original rating. After seeing it the 2nd time, I feel ST to be the best movie of 2007 :up:

[Bastila]

My little sister is at the london premier right now in the rain, I hope she gets some good pictures.

But I am looking forward to the film comes out 24th I think here, but previews 19th so I'll see it then :D

[JP]

Hope she get nice shots. :up:

[Bastila]

Hope she get nice shots. :up:

She missed Johnny he was too far away but she did get these


http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/timeforcepink/m_fc5bd70542366b89a23e973bf64fa88b.jpg

Tim

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/timeforcepink/m_78e8353bd905729b465d3ce589b32037.jpg

Helene

And the poster she ripped off which is now in her room its huge and cool

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/timeforcepink/m_742978376cc63c78496df6442627dc1d.jpg

[Bond]

"BENJAMIN BARKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I loved that part.

[The Guard]

Ditto. So much repressed emotion coming out there.

[Dan]

I saw SWEENEY TODD last week on Saturday night and I enjoyed it a lot. It's an excellent film and I think it's the best one of the year 2007 that I've seen so far.

[TNC9852002]

I would watch it again, but our theater has moved it until a tiny little theater with inferior sound and no DTS. When I saw it the first, I saw it in a large theater with crisp, booming DTS sound, as it should be heard!

-TNC

[JP]

Saw it again last night. Even better.


Thankfully, TNC I'm in NYC and can watch it in the amazing Zeigfeld theater.

[Bastila]

Oh I am so like sad it isn't out yet :( 19th preview night yeah! Must see it then

[Venomfan]

i think my only problem with the movie was that Depp used the exact same accent as his Jack Sparrow character, everytime he talked it almost made somethings humorous just thinking of Sparrow, although i did get used to it like halfway through or something, i still would have liked to here him try a different voice

[Agentsands77]

i think my only problem with the movie was that Depp used the exact same accent as his Jack Sparrow character, everytime he talked it almost made somethings humorous just thinking of Sparrow, although i did get used to it like halfway through or something, i still would have liked to here him try a different voice
I actually think it's closer to his FROM HELL accent.

[Majik1387]

I honestly don't see the similarity between Sweeney and Jack's accent.

[JP]

Neither do I. :huh:

[Mr. Socko]

Johnny Depp just won Best Actor at The Golden Globes for Sweeney Todd.


Oscars, here we come. :up:

Edit: Just won best Motion Picture Musical or Comedy as well :up:

[JP]

=yay=

[Spider-Fan]

I was pleasantly surprised it won Best Musical/Comedy. Deserved it. I hope it carries over into the Oscars, where it will probably lose to the overrated No Country For Old Men...which Sweeney Todd is much better than.

I am heavily pulling for a BP nom/win...though it is probably unlikely to win.

[Untilteld]

That chipmunk song is hilarious, lol.

[bullets]

I actually think it's closer to his FROM HELL accent.

I know what you mean .

[bullets]

I would love for Depp to win an oscar for this film . I don't see it happening but i am glad he wond the Golden Globe . I think this film should have made more at the box office. It was of the best films in a while and it might hvae been overlooked by alot of audiences. However it was competing against Alvin and the chipmunks which is why its understandable it wasn't a huge sucess.

[Bastila]

Well done Johnny now I can't wait to see it and the film as the film won best musical or something

[Fran]

Congrats to Johnny!! :up::up::up:

Loved this movie so much.

[Apollo]

now they can say best actor and best musical on the DVD art cover! congrats! to Johnny and everyone who helped make the movie.

[Bond]

Yay Johnny won! Totally deserved it :up:

[PWN3R]

Saw this movie again, even more enjoyable the second time. I've heard the soundtrack so many times, I randomly bust out into sessions of 'Johanna' and 'The Contest' it's starting to scare me.:up:

Oh and congrats to Depp. The man is a beast. Love him.

[DACrowe]

I am happy for this film winning best picture and Depp best actor at the Globes (and Burton's nomination) considering they will all likely be snubbed at the Oscars. Between this upsetting Juno (which is still a great movie) and Atonement taking down the vastly overrated No Country For Old Men, I think it was a good allotment of awards and I only wish that it was really broadcast as an awards show to see these upsets and reactions.

Oh well.

[Spider-Fan]

Saw this movie again, even more enjoyable the second time. I've heard the soundtrack so many times, I randomly bust out into sessions of 'Johanna' and 'The Contest' it's starting to scare me.:up:

Oh and congrats to Depp. The man is a beast. Love him.

Same here...and I want to see the movie again. I am still trying to get people I know haven't seen it to see it...I would say to promote the BO of it, but it is mostly so I can weasel people into going to see it with me :woot:

I am happy for this film winning best picture and Depp best actor at the Globes (and Burton's nomination) considering they will all likely be snubbed at the Oscars. Between this upsetting Juno (which is still a great movie) and Atonement taking down the vastly overrated No Country For Old Men, I think it was a good allotment of awards and I only wish that it was really broadcast as an awards show to see these upsets and reactions.

Oh well.

I agree with you there...that movie is very overrated. That ending really ruined the movie for me.

I also feel it will get the Oscar snub, but I hope I am wrong on that.

[Brick]

Saw a preview of it here in the UK today. I liked it but i was dissipointed with the short/cut songs. Kind of felt like diet Sweeney Todd

[Hush]

Having never seen the Musical but being HUGE fan of musicals considering was in 3 of my schools I must say that this movie was absolutely amazing on every level. Though it was wierd watching a Burton film with no Classic Elfman theme, lol, I'm calling for th ebest movie of the year oscar to be given to this if those nominations are in or are being cast. It certainly is my pic.

[Harry Goblin]

I know im a little late responding but just thought id give my two cents. This is absolutley my favorite movie of 07 even tho i saw it last weekend. A good start to 2008 for me

[The Professor]

Fantastic film. Surprised it didn't make more money considering the cast/director.

[Harry Goblin]

Yeah I think its because alot found out it was a musical. When i told my friends it was they immediatley said they wouldnt go with me and one friend did go not knowing it was a musical and said it was amazing. Thats how i felt tho, i knew it was a musical but i hate musicals and i still loved it

[TNC9852002]

A lot of people didn't want to watch it not because it was a musical, but because it was dark and violent.

-TNC

[Harry Goblin]

I can understand that too, but im just saying alot of people i know didnt go for the reason i said

[Harry Goblin]

Sorry, double post

[bullets]

I wish it had been more of a hit , i'm sure there will be a cult following in the years to come and emo kids will have the lunchbox or t-shirt. I'm glad some awrds were given , it deserves recognition.

[Matrixo]

This movie was mantasticlly great. Second favorite movie of 07 next to No Country


Anyone have a favorite song? Mines A Little Priest. song kicks ass.

[JP]

I have so many. Pretty Woman, Johanna, Epiphany, My Friends, Now While I'm Around, Wait.

In the show: Worst Pies In London, By The Sea, Kiss Me.

[Apollo]

i wonder when this is coming on on DVD. I really want to get it.

[batgirl2119]

I wish it had been more of a hit , i'm sure there will be a cult following in the years to come and emo kids will have the lunchbox or t-shirt. I'm glad some awrds were given , it deserves recognition.
it is a fairly typical outcome for a depp and/or burton movie. i'm sure they're used to not being box office hits. and yeah i'm sure hot topic was exstatic about this movie coming out.

[Spider-Fan]

I knew it wasn't going to get a BP nom or BD nom...I was just hoping. Shame, cause this movie deserves it.

Oh well, Depp FTW in BA!!!

[Green Goblin 1964]

I'm watching it right now ( shh...:ninja: ) Jeez, when Sweeney Todd kills Borat ( LOL)! that is some f***ing disgusting crap right there. But hey, you get used to it :woot: Damn, great movie so far...I'm gonna continue watching :up:

[Drizzle]

that is some f***ing disgusting crap right there.
You think so? I thought it was pretty tame with violence, believe it or not. But then again, I've seen stuff like "Hostel" and "Grindhouse".

[Bond]

You think so? I thought it was pretty tame with violence, believe it or not. But then again, I've seen stuff like "Hostel" and "Grindhouse".
Um... congratulations? :dry:

[Green Goblin 1964]

Finished watching it...Incredible. Really Incredible. No words can really describe how good this movie was...damn.

[Drizzle]

Um... congratulations? :dry:

I meant that I've seen much gorier stuff than "Sweeney Todd". So turn that :dry: into a :yay:

[Bond]

I meant that I've seen much gorier stuff than "Sweeney Todd". So turn that :dry: into a :yay:
Lol, it's just the way you said made you sound like you were one of the only ones who saw those movies.

But Hostel was probably gorier than Sweeney, I don't think Grindhouse was though.

[Drizzle]

But Hostel was probably gorier than Sweeney, I don't think Grindhouse was though.
Do you even remember "Grindhouse"? They showed a jar of TESTICLES! That alone was gorier than anything in "Sweeney".

[Bond]

Do you even remember "Grindhouse"? They showed a jar of TESTICLES!
I own Planet Terror and Death Proof.

And the testes looked fake. But the blood in Sweeney looked real to teh max.

[†~AntiChrist~†]

Great movie..Johnny Deep is fantastic in it..

[Agentsands77]

But the blood in Sweeney looked real to teh max.
Uh, no it didn't. It spouted in OTT geysers and was just a shade below orange. Definitely very stylized and not very indicative of real life.

[†~AntiChrist~†]

It was ok you have to admit..

[Bond]

Uh, no it didn't. It spouted in OTT geysers and was just a shade below orange. Definitely very stylized and not very indicative of real life.
Lol...

[Fran]

Who cares about the damn blood? The movie kicked ass.

[†~AntiChrist~†]

^^:up:

[StrainedEyes]

I own Planet Terror and Death Proof.

And the testes looked fake. But the blood in Sweeney looked real to teh max.

"real to teh max." eh? Wow, what fluorescent blood have you seen?

It was highly stylized blood and nothing like reality. Which is not a bad thing at all, just I wouldn't consider it gory or realistic.

[Majik1387]

It was borderline gory, but not in a gratuitous sort of way.

[†~AntiChrist~†]

No one could think the blood was real..And its no where near gory..watch hills have eyes or silent hill..

[Bond]

I think I might be losing my mind then. :(

[†~AntiChrist~†]

:woot:youmust..

[Spider-Fan]

Saw the movie for a third time...still sad it got no BP nom :csad:

[†~AntiChrist~†]

What was your favourite part in the movie?

[Harry Goblin]

It was borderline gory, but not in a gratuitous sort of way.


I thought it was gory, then i saw Rambo this weekend :wow:

I loved it, greatest movie of 07 easily for me

[†~AntiChrist~†]

better tan the otherS?

[Spider-Fan]

What was your favourite part in the movie?

When Depp sings "My Friends." Such a great scene to watch, from the way he sings, to the way his eyes look as he speaks to his razors. Fantastic scene.

[Sloth7d]

What was your favourite part in the movie?

"Pirelli's miracle elixir"

"What is this?"
"What is this?"
"Smells like piss."
"Smells like--ew."
"Look at this. This is piss. Piss with ink."

lol

and

The song "Epiphany" was just the definition of epic for me.

[†~AntiChrist~†]

Heh...Did you like the "nearly black and white" theme to the movie?
Burtons done that in alot of his movies..

[Nirvana]

Any idea when this will hit DVD?

[Apollo]

I hope it will come out on Blu-ray.

[Lord Blackbolt]

Well it's made 50 million domestic...so it's not a total box office dissappointment.

[batboy99]

Just watched the movie, it was great! And as for the blood discussion, i think it was that bright for ''art'' purposes

[Bastila]

Finally saw it and I liked it, loved the colouring and how the blood was really the only colour great ending such a great dark musical.

Joanna was a great song loved what was happening in that song lol.

Very very very good :D

[Nirvana]

I found out today that there is a special edition version of the cd and I don't have it :(

[Harry Goblin]

better tan the otherS?


I havent seen a couple of the movies that are up for best picture but I did see "Juno" and Sweeney Todd definatley beats it.

[†~AntiChrist~†]

I havent seen a couple of the movies that are up for best picture but I did see "Juno" and Sweeney Todd definatley beats it.

:up: Definately..

[batboy99]

I havent seen a couple of the movies that are up for best picture but I did see "Juno" and Sweeney Todd definatley beats it.
I honeslty thought Juno was gonna be alot better, it wasnt very funny



Im addicted to the Worst Pies in London song! And i found Helena strangely hot in this movie :S

[†~AntiChrist~†]

Juno was dissapointing..:BORING:

[TNC9852002]

Anticipation and expectations can kill a movie.

-TNC

[†~AntiChrist~†]

I didnt want to see juno anyway..I just went with my friends cause I Was bored.

[JP]

Juno :heart:

[†~AntiChrist~†]

:cwink:

[Drizzle]

So when's "Sweeney Todd" due to be released on DVD?

[†~AntiChrist~†]

:hu: Noidea

[batboy99]

Juno was dissapointing..:BORING:
ya it was. It was really horrible, but not as good as i anticipated

[Harry Goblin]

Anticipation and expectations can kill a movie.

-TNC


Most definatley but thats not what killed it. Ellen Page did great with the material she was given but that dialogue was what killed it imo. Juno wasnt terrible, but it wasnt something that should be up for best picture

Am I the only one who has to listen to "My Friends" and "Epiphany" Like three times a day :huh:

[Bastila]

Am I the only one who has to listen to "My Friends" and "Epiphany" Like three times a day :huh:

You and my sister, its all I ever here is them two and Joanna as well.

[DACrowe]

I recomend everyone who is addicted to this to try out the Len Cariou/Angela Lansbury CD it has the complete music (The Ballad being returned as well as the Judge's Johnna Reprise and Kiss Me make it worth it) and their vocals are very different and give it all a different perspective for those new to the material.

Anyway, IMO still the best movie of the last year.

[TripleR]

Saw this movie almost a month ago, and ever since I've been addicted to the soundtrack, and just can't wait for the dvd. Am I the only one that got a bit of a weird Joker/Harley Quinn vibe from Lovett and Todd? the way she kept calling him "Mistah T", her falling for him despite the psychotic murders and the few times he really seemed to make her scared for her own life, and especially the picnic scene where she's dreaming of their wedding and life together and he really couldn't care less, just obsessively thinking about the man he wanted to kill lol.

[Ironic_Commando]

Just saw this movie, and didn't care for it. Depp was good as usual, but I found that the movie just didn't come together at at all. Like a lot of Burton movies, I think he is more in love with the atmosphere of a movie, and fails at actually bringing the material to life. Its kinda the way George Lucas is with special effects in his films.

[Kabuki_Jo]

gave it an 8. Great atmosphere, good story, good performances.

just didn't like the singing. sorry, don't like musicals.

Nice movie all around.

[DACrowe]

I guess for someone who gave it an 8, that is good, but why don't you like musicals if they are great movies (like this one)?

[†~AntiChrist~†]

I give it an 8 1
-
2

[Bastila]

Some people over here are walking out as they didn't know it was a musical, how small minded of them right I was like how sad...........:whatever:

[Kanon]

Still a week to go for the opening over here, but I got tickets for an avant premiere tomorrow

[Spider-Fan]

After watching 4 of the 5 Oscar nominees, I still have to say it sucks this wasn't nominated. I don't see how Juno and Atonement got noms but this didn't. I didn't like No Country, but I at least see why it was nominated (even if I really hated the ending). ST is clearly better than Juno (cute, but Oscar worthy?) and Atonement (which I found to be just ok, but I did quite enjoy the ending, which bumped it up points for me). Now, I definately see the appeal of There Will Be Blood (that deserves the nom, and of the noms, to win easily), but I question some of the others.

But alas. I guess I will just have to disagree with the Oscar voters on this.

[Kanon]

I watched Juno, and except for good acting, that movie didn't do anything for me... I guess I didn't get it, 'cause if someone asks me what is it about, what is the moral of the story, I'm in big trouble :)

[Matt]

After watching 4 of the 5 Oscar nominees, I still have to say it sucks this wasn't nominated. I don't see how Juno and Atonement got noms but this didn't. I didn't like No Country, but I at least see why it was nominated (even if I really hated the ending). ST is clearly better than Juno (cute, but Oscar worthy?) and Atonement (which I found to be just ok, but I did quite enjoy the ending, which bumped it up points for me). Now, I definately see the appeal of There Will Be Blood (that deserves the nom, and of the noms, to win easily), but I question some of the others.

But alas. I guess I will just have to disagree with the Oscar voters on this.

I agree, the Academy's hatred of Burton has really screwed Sweeney Todd out of a well deserved Oscar nomination.

[Hunter Rider]

Saw it today, the macabre masterpiece indeed, the word that best sums this movie up for me is atmosphere, Burton creates a rich Gothic world teeming with sinister characters and foreboding, even the brief interlude of sun as Mrs Lovett sings of a life by the sea is twisted and weird.

Depp is magnetic, making Sweeney both sympathetic and monstrous all at once, he's matched by the superb Helena Bonham Carter who gives Mrs Lovett a gentle brand of insanity.

The support is all good with Rickman on smirking sinister form and Spall vile and slimy as the hideous Beadle Bamford.

The music is amazing and drives the story rather than just being random songs thrown in, it always feels like you're still following the story as you would with any thriller/horror only the dialogue is sang.

It all builds to a tense, satisfying and bloody crescendo as it ends the only way it really could, Great stuff.

8/10

[Matt]

Saw it today, the macabre masterpiece indeed, the word that best sums this movie up for me is atmosphere, Burton creates a rich Gothic world teeming with sinister characters and foreboding, even the brief interlude of sun as Mrs Lovett sings of a life by the sea is twisted and weird.

Depp is magnetic, making Sweeney both sympathetic and monstrous all at once, he's matched by the superb Helena Bonham Carter who gives Mrs Lovett a gentle brand of insanity.

The support is all good with Rickman on smirking sinister form and Spall vile and slimy as the hideous Beadle Bamford.

The music is amazing and drives the story rather than just being random songs thrown in, it always feels like you're still following the story as you would with any thriller/horror only the dialogue is sang.

It all builds to a tense, satisfying and bloody crescendo as it ends the only way it really could, Great stuff.

8/10

That scene is absolutely amazing. Especially how out of place Depp looks. Its hillarious.

[Spider-Fan]

I agree, the Academy's hatred of Burton has really screwed Sweeney Todd out of a well deserved Oscar nomination.

Indeed it has, which is very unfortunate.

[Bastila]

I agree, the Academy's hatred of Burton has really screwed Sweeney Todd out of a well deserved Oscar nomination.

I really thought he would get best Director you know

[Drizzle]

Does the Academy really hate Burton?

Why?

I think the proof is that they keep snubbing him.

[Figs]

I think the proof is that they keep snubbing him.


It's like High School with a goth/freak amidst the preppies.

[Catman]

I agree, the Academy's hatred of Burton has really screwed Sweeney Todd out of a well deserved Oscar nomination.

Does the Academy really hate Burton?

I think the proof is that they keep snubbing him.

The man has been directing feature length movies for 23 years and his only nomination has been for Corpse Bride.

LIST OF BURTON SNUBS:

Edward Scissorhands. They nominated Godfather III instead. :dry:
Ed Wood. They nominated Quiz Show instead. :whatever:
Big Fish. They nominated Seabiscuit. Okay I can live with that. :huh:
Sweeney Todd. Although I'm not sure if thats a snub. The only best picture and director nominee I've seen is Juno. And I liked that movie. :yay:

[Mr. Socko]

Tim Burton will get it one day. Hell look how long it took Scorsese.



Until then, I will still hate the academy though:up:

[†~AntiChrist~†]

I watched Juno, and except for good acting, that movie didn't do anything for me... I guess I didn't get it, 'cause if someone asks me what is it about, what is the moral of the story, I'm in big trouble :)

I agree..Bits of it were alright, but I would give it 5/5

[Catman]

Tim Burton will get it one day. Hell look how long it took Scorsese.

Difference is that Scorsese was nominated a bunch of times. Burton's only nomination so far has been for Corpse Bride.

[Catman]

speaking of corpse bride...guess what TCM is airing on Sunday night as part of its 31 days of Oscars. Thats right. Nightmare Before Christmas. :up:

[Fran]

The man has been directing feature length movies for 23 years and his only nomination has been for Corpse Bride.

LIST OF BURTON SNUBS:

Edward Scissorhands. They nominated Godfather III instead. :dry:
Ed Wood. They nominated Quiz Show instead. :whatever:
Big Fish. They nominated Seabiscuit. Okay I can live with that. :huh:
Sweeney Todd. Although I'm not sure if thats a snub. The only best picture and director nominee I've seen is Juno. And I liked that movie. :yay:

Edward Scissorhands should have been nominated for Best Picture. It still holds up today in terms of excellence.

[Kanon]

Man, Sweeney Todd was awesome. Deep was amazing singing, as the rest of the cast! Man, I loved the movie.

The only bad thing was a lot of fanboys that LOLed at many parts, as if they were watching The Naked Gun

[Bastila]

Tim Burton will get it one day. Hell look how long it took Scorsese.



Until then, I will still hate the academy though:up:

Good point, so it could be a while befor Tim get ones lol.

[The Guard]

The only bad thing was a lot of fanboys that LOLed at many parts, as if they were watching The Naked Gun

That's not neccessarily a bad thing. It is meant to be something of a comedy.

[Kanon]

That's not neccessarily a bad thing. It is meant to be something of a comedy.
Yeah, but it's not that kind of comedy. Is the kind of comedy that makes you smile, or maybe an "evil laugh". But those guys were laughing out loud, as if they were watching ben stiller/scary movie/friends" kind of comedy... It seemed like they wanted to let everybody know they were getting the funny parts...

[Drizzle]

Well, Pirelli's scene in the street was somewhat meant to be a big belly-laughing scene, as was "By The Sea" and parts of "The Worst Pies in London" and "A Little Priest". And Mrs. Lovett had a lot of great one-liners, so it wasn't just strictly "cracking a smile" comedy.


BTW, I found out "Sweeney Todd" is due on DVD April 1st. (Region 1, at least)

[†~AntiChrist~†]

speaking of corpse bride...guess what TCM is airing on Sunday night as part of its 31 days of Oscars. Thats right. Nightmare Before Christmas. :up:
Great movie, I have it on DVD..

[Mr. Socko]

Well, Pirelli's scene in the street was somewhat meant to be a big belly-laughing scene, as was "By The Sea" and parts of "The Worst Pies in London" and "A Little Priest". And Mrs. Lovett had a lot of great one-liners, so it wasn't just strictly "cracking a smile" comedy.


BTW, I found out "Sweeney Todd" is due on DVD April 1st. (Region 1, at least)


Seriously? Oh Yes! I wasn't expecting it until late May or June!

[†~AntiChrist~†]

Cool..Ill be getting it..

[Mr. Socko]

Manson, have you seen Tim Burton's "Vincent" before? If not I'm sure you'd enjoy it.

[†~AntiChrist~†]

I have....Very short though..only goes for like 5 minutes..Its on the nightmare before christmas special feature..

[Kabuki_Jo]

You don't like musicals? Then why did you see the movie?

I was extremeley curious about this movie.
Saw the trailer and wanted to see it.
I would have liked it a lot better if it weren't a musical, but it didn't bother me too much when I was watching it.
I gave it an 8 because technically the movie is great, and so are the performances.

[†~AntiChrist~†]

I thought it was alright as a musical..but yeah it wouldve been better..

[Darkly Dexter]

Saw it yesterday and I really thinks it's bad. I can't understand how is one of the best movies of 2007 according to the critic. I mean, the only good things are the performances of Johnny Depp and Helena Boham Carter and the visual style.

Story- Bad
Music- Bad

[Matt]

Saw it yesterday and I really thinks it's bad. I can't understand how is one of the best movies of 2007 according to the critic. I mean, the only good things are the performances of Johnny Depp and Helena Boham Carter and the visual style.

Story- Bad
Music- Bad

Care to be a bit more specific as to what about the story and music is bad? I liked both quite a bit so I'm curious as to what was bad.

[Matt]

I was extremeley curious about this movie.
Saw the trailer and wanted to see it.
I would have liked it a lot better if it weren't a musical, but it didn't bother me too much when I was watching it.
I gave it an 8 because technically the movie is great, and so are the performances.

I'm not sure how well it would work were it not a musical. It would feel far too serious and the charm of the movie was the fact that while it was very dark in tone and plot, it never took itself too seriously and the music helped with that.

[JP]

Yeah, most of the humor is in the songs. . .

[Mr. Socko]

If you think the movie would have been better if it weren't a musical........You.Just.Don't.Get.It.

[Apollo]

i watched a non musical sweeney todd version, with Ben kingsley as sweeney...it was horrible! worst made for tv film i've ever seen...half the characters weren't even in it, and they added new characters too, the main person was some undercover detective..... At first i didn't even know who the hell sweeney was..

[Matt]

For a spoken movie they would have to use a third party main character. Someone sympathetic, like a detective. The music is what allows you to get into Sweeney's head and really understand the character. It allows you to feel for him despite the unspeakable acts he is committing. You wouldn't be able without the music.

[The Guard]

The story of Sweeney Todd is a legend, it wasn't invented for the musical. It's been a story, and various operas before it was a musical.

[Mr. Socko]

The story of Sweeney Todd is a legend, it wasn't invented for the musical. It's been a story, and various operas before it was a musical.


And it works best as a musical:woot:

[Catman]

You do know opera is 100% musical right?

Comparing an opera to a musical is like comparing an action movie to an action-comedy.

[Bastila]

Story- Bad
Music- Bad

What? Really, why do you think it was all bad, I really liked it, I listen to the soundtrack more and more now.

Story was great

[Secret_Riddle]

I think this was the best movie of 2007, I'm itching to own it on dvd.

[Bastila]

It was the first film I saw of 08 I think, only came out in Jan, so best film of the year so far for me :p

[Drizzle]

I found this on the DVD Talk Forums. Nothing's official (except the release date), so take it with a grain of salt.

Paramount unleashes the beloved Tim Burton masterpiece "Sweeney Todd" on April 1st in single disc, 2-disc Special Edition, and gasping-for-breath HD-DVD versions.

Specs:

Single Disc:
Languages: English, French Dubbed & Subtitled, Spanish Dubbed & Subtitled
Audio: 5.1 Surround
DVD Feature:
• Featurette: Burton + Depp + Carter = Todd

2-Disc Special Edition:
Languages: English, French Dubbed & Subtitled, Spanish Dubbed & Subtitled
Audio: 5.1 Surround
DVD Features:
• Featurette: Burton + Depp + Carter = Todd
• Interview: Sweeney Todd Press Conference, November 2007
• Featurette: Sweeney Todd is Alive: The Real History of the Demon Barber
• Featurette: Musical Mayhem: Sondheim's Sweeney Todd
• Featurette: Sweeney's London
• Featurette: The Making of Sweeney Todd The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
• Featurette: Grand Guignol: A Theatrical Tradition
• Featurette: Designs for a Demon Barber
• Featurette: A Bloody Business
• Interview: Moviefone Unscripted with Tim Burton and Johnny Depp
• Featurette: The Razor's Refrain
• Trailers: Theatrical Trailer
• Photo Gallery: Photo Gallery

2-Disc Special Edition HD-DVD:
Languages: English, French Dubbed & Subtitled, Spanish Dubbed & Subtitled
Audio: 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus, 5.1 Dolby TrueHD
DVD Features:
• Featurette: Burton + Depp + Carter = Todd
• Interview: Sweeney Todd Press Conference, November 2007
• Featurette: Sweeney Todd is Alive: The Real History of the Demon Barber
• Featurette: Musical Mayhem: Sondheim's Sweeney Todd
• Featurette: Sweeney's London
• Featurette: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
• Featurette: Grand Guignol: A Theatrical Tradition
• Featurette: Designs for a Demon Barber
• Featurette: A Bloody Business
• Interview: Moviefone Unscripted with Tim Burton and Johnny Depp
• Featurette: The Razor's Refrain
• Photo Gallery: Photo Gallery
• Trailers: Theatrical Trailer

Art to follow soon~


That 2-disc set will be mine.

[JP]

Ugh. No blu ray???????

:down

[Drizzle]

I'm sure it'll come to Blu-ray eventually, since a lot of previously HD-DVD only titles are coming to Blu-ray (Transformers, Blades of Glory). In fact, I'm really surprised it's being released on HD-DVD after it pretty much lost the format war.

Anyway, it doesn't affect me. Regular DVD FTW!

[JP]

Guess it's going to be a long wait until I get to own it. :(

[Spider-Fan]

April 1st? Awesome :up:

[Harry Goblin]

Story- Bad
Music- Bad

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

I was interested in seeing it even tho I honest to god hate musicals but love Tim Burton. I saw it, loved it, its my favorite film of 2007. I bought the album and I am psyched to see its dvd release date. *marks calender*

[Darkly Dexter]

Guy who wrote the story for this film: "hey, let's make a story about a guy who cuts like 5000 throats in just one movie"
Producer: "wow that's a great idea. But what else?"
Guy: "Well, we could make up a cliché plot about a bad judge who falsely arrests an innocent man just because he is in love with his wife. He also stoles his daughter."
Producer: "yeah, and then he returns very very angry and starts to cut throats!"
Guy: "Yeah, lot of blood. That's what hits the fan."
Producer: "Well, we've got a movie! You gotta love this job."

[Drizzle]

Guy who wrote the story for this film: "hey, let's make a story about a guy who cuts like 5000 throats in just one movie"
Producer: "wow that's a great idea. But what else?"
Guy: "Well, we could make up a cliché plot about a bad judge who falsely arrests an innocent man just because he is in love with his wife. He also stoles his daughter."
Producer: "yeah, and then he returns very very angry and starts to cut throats!"
Guy: "Yeah, lot of blood. That's what hits the fan."
Producer: "Well, we've got a movie! You gotta love this job."

It started out as a musical long before it was a movie, so you fail.

Stuff like this really pisses me off. Instead of spewing out tons of inane bull**** like the above post, why don't you just simply say "I didn't like the movie"?

[StrainedEyes]

Guy who wrote the story for this film: "hey, let's make a story about a guy who cuts like 5000 throats in just one movie"
Producer: "wow that's a great idea. But what else?"
Guy: "Well, we could make up a cliché plot about a bad judge who falsely arrests an innocent man just because he is in love with his wife. He also stoles his daughter."
Producer: "yeah, and then he returns very very angry and starts to cut throats!"
Guy: "Yeah, lot of blood. That's what hits the fan."
Producer: "Well, we've got a movie! You gotta love this job."

Darkly Dexter: I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, so I think I'll talk out of my ass!
People in this Thread: Please don't.
Darkly Dexter : Too late!

:o

[Drizzle]

lol :D

[Harry Goblin]

Darkly Dexter: I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, so I think I'll talk out of my ass!
People in this Thread: Please don't.
Darkly Dexter : Too late!
:o

:applaud

[JP]

It started out as a musical long before it was a movie, so you fail.



And started out as a legend way before the musical!