DC/Marvel Hero Tournament

[Hellstormer]

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Please read before voting.
1) I, Genesis 1.0, KyTrigger or someone I appoint will post a match.
2) Make a post clearly stating who you think will win and I will tally these posts and give a score. The higher score in the end is the winner. If your post is not clear your vote will be rejected.
3) The heroes are always fighting at their most recent power levels before they were dead/powerless unless otherwise noted.
4) Teams are always the most recent incarnation before they were disbanded.
5) If I am absent for more then 3 days the thread can be controled by anyone willing to takeover until my return..
6) Any power connection such as the Speedforce, Motherbox, Power Cosmic ect. is still in effect regardless of the location unless otherwise stated.
7)There are no ringouts, competitors must be defeated by one another unless otherwise mentioned.
8) Never vote against Azrael or Moon Knight! :mad:
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Based on Sparta's and Darth Wolverine's current thread I decided to do one using characters from both worlds and here is my first match.
http://www.apparitionstudios.com/images/aquaman&thor.jpg
Thor vs. Aquaman: This battle is on water with no nearby land and Aquaman does have his enchanted hand.

[Spidey Rules 2]

I don't know what the enchanted hand can do or if Thor can breath (or needs to breath) underwater, so I'm going to have to chose Thor. Ummm, is this a poll? Or did you want some kind of description of the fight?

[Hellstormer]

I don't know what the enchanted hand can do or if Thor can breath (or needs to breath) underwater, so I'm going to have to chose Thor. Ummm, is this a poll? Or did you want some kind of description of the fight?Just a poll

[Harlekin]

A) Just highjack the thread in Misc. That's where it should be anyway
B) Thor. Easily.

[The Leaguer]

That's a pretty massive mismatch.

[Hellstormer]

A) Just highjack the thread in Misc. That's where it should be anyway
B) Thor. Easily.I had it in MIsc for two days and no one responded:( Ad I say Thor cuz he would just shock the water and fry AM

[RightBauer56]

Namor owns Aquaman. Also-
WTF mate?

[Calendar Man]

Aquaman beat Namor.

[Sparta*]

Wow...I feel so unoriginal nowadays lol

[ShadowBoxing]

Aquaman lifted a city block dudes. Namor is only class 10 strength, Aquaman is class 100.

Thor

[Hellstormer]

Wow...I feel so unoriginal nowadays lolSorry I just had so many questions on who would win in a DC/Marvel Fight.

[Quantum_Goddess]

Thor.

Plus to someone who asked a question prior. Thor doesn't exactly require to breath since he can fly in space unaided, via Mjollnir, so the whole suffocating thing dies. And the fact that he could just use electrolysis on the water around him doesn't help Aquaman all that much anyway.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Thor is a norse god,and a most exceptional warrior.Dispite the fact that Aquaman has nearly everything in his favor,i dont see him actually defeating Thor.Perhaps having him worn down,but not defeated.

Thor wins.

[Nice image.]

[rodhulk]

Thor. Easily.

[Kmack]

Thor

[The Joker™]

Aquaman lifted a city block dudes. Namor is only class 10 strength, Aquaman is class 100.

Thor

Namor is class 100 now.

Sombody said it in the "can anybody beat namor under water" thread.

Thor could just knock his ass in the water and shock the fish.

Since Thor is missing he wouldn't be able to show up for the fight, so Aquaman wins by default.

[The Joker™]

Aquaman lifted a city block dudes. Namor is only class 10 strength, Aquaman is class 100.

Thor

Namor is class 100 now.

Sombody said it in the "can anybody beat namor under water" thread.

Thor could just knock his ass in the water and shock the fish.

Since Thor is missing he wouldn't be able to show up for the fight, so Aquaman wins by default.

[Quantum_Goddess]

Namor is class 100 now.

Sombody said it in the "can anybody beat namor under water" thread.

Thor could just knock his ass in the water and shock the fish.

Since Thor is missing he wouldn't be able to show up for the fight, so Aquaman wins by default.

Shoot, if you're using THAT Thor. When he wakes up, which would most likely be when the challenge is issued. (Wouldn't make much sense to challenge a guy who's asleep, or in a coma, or whatever.) THAT Thor would just annihalate poor Aquaman.

[Hellstormer]

8-4 for Thor next battle is

http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/GoldenHeroes/Images/Characters/Darkhawk.jpg

VS.

http://home.earthlink.net/~markstewart/grace.gif

NIghtwing vs. Darkhawk:This battle has no prep time and they're fighting in an abandoned alleyway.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Who is facing Nightwing?

In any case,i vouch for NightWing.

[Quantum_Goddess]

Funny, I can only see Darkhawk there. The other picture is a broken link.

[Unthinkable]

In a tournament you need brackets and stuff...Not just random battles.

[Silver Sable]

I'll go with the 1st guy

[Hellstormer]

1-1 And I fixed the mistakes.

[Harlekin]

Darkhawk

[Sparta*]

Darkhawk

[Hellstormer]

3-1 for Darkhawk next battle

http://surbrook.devermore.net/adaptionscomic/hellboy/hellboy.jpgHellboy (I know he's not Marvel)

VS.

http://hallofheroes.free.fr/Images/Vilains/Small/etrigan.gifEtrigan

Hellboy vs. Etrigan: This battle will be in a crypt and Hellboy has been sent to terminate Etrigan (hence he is prepared)

[Sparta*]

I don't know :confused:

how about a bio on these people??

[rugger1114]

HB would dominate this fight :hellboy:

[Hellstormer]

I don't know :confused:

how about a bio on these people??No problem I'll use the wikipedia bios
Hellboy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellboy)
Etrigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etrigan)

[Sparta*]

Etrigan is the Demon?

[Quantum_Goddess]

Etrigan is the Demon?

He be "Whatshisname" alright.

Mayhaps I'll think about this fight

Just a little later tonight.

[Hellstormer]

Etrigan is the Demon?Yep

[goldmill]

Etrigan

[Silver Sable]

Etrigan

[Arkady Rossovich]

Im going to have to go with Etrigan.

[Hellstormer]

3-1 for Etrigan so far

[Hellstormer]

3-1 and Etrigan the Demon wins

next battle

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8071/fabfive6pe.jpgThe Original X-men (Beast, Cyclops, Angel, Marvel Girl, and Iceman)

VS.

http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/jla/img/pictures/jla-yearone.jpgThe original Justice League (Green Lantern (HJ), The Flash (BA), Black Canary, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman)

Original X-men vs. Original Justice League: No prep time fight in a populated city.

[Sparta*]

I love the X-men, but the original Justice League outguns them

[XwolverineX]

JLA what kind of battle is that? And stop going so damn fast. And Hellboy is Darkhorse,

[The Leaguer]

Wow. JLA wins.

[Hellstormer]

JLA what kind of battle is that? And stop going so damn fast. And Hellboy is Darkhorse,fine I'll wait till later to post a new battles I was doing a new one everyday at 4:30 (EST) And I said I knew Hellboy wasn't Marvel

[The_Game]

JLA Outpowers Original x-men so i vote for JLA

[goldmill]

Good lord, the JLA would whipe the floor with them.

[White_Howling]

Funny, I can only see Darkhawk there. The other picture is a broken link.

how rude.

votes for dark hawk.. cuz you know.. he would attack nightwing whose a little bird like a hawk attacking you know a smaller bird.. ok that didn't make sense :mad:

[White_Howling]

dude change battles on a daily basis.. not every five minutes

[Sparta*]

how rude.

votes for dark hawk.. cuz you know.. he would attack nightwing whose a little bird like a hawk attacking you know a smaller bird.. ok that didn't make sense :mad:

You think that was rude? Holy crap man...apparently you haven't seen some people around here...

[This I.........]

Man the Xmen would win come on ice man would freeze aqua bytch and jean would kill martian and cyclops would handle the rest

[Arkady Rossovich]

If this is the original X-Men,then they are severly inexperienced.The JLA`s members are atleast 10 years older than any of the X-Men i belive.The JLA is more experienced,but since its no preperation time and in a populated area,the X-Men might pull off a win.

Ill go with X-Men.

[Hellstormer]

dude change battles on a daily basis.. not every five minutesI was changinng it everyday at 4:30PM (EST I guess I'll have to do it diffrently.:) I vote for X-Men cuz the JLA would be more interested in saving innocent bystanders.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

So the X-Men are now morally bankrupt? I'm fairly sure both teams would be concerned about innocent bystanders.

[Quantum_Goddess]

So the X-Men are now morally bankrupt? I'm fairly sure both teams would be concerned about innocent bystanders.

You haven't heard? They USE innocent bystanders as shields.

I dunno though. It's an inexperienced Marvel Girl, who wasn't really all that powerful. In fact, her telekinesis only allowed her to lift what she could physically lift, and she was having trouble using her telepathy. Where J'onn is quite experienced with his. So I wouldn't let it go to that alone. I'll just have to think for a while.

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't even look at what the fight actually was. Now that I have, the JLA would win easily. Manhunter was as good when the JLA first formed as he is now with all of his powers, and I doubt the entire original roster of the X-Men could beat Green Lantern alone, much less on a team that includes the Flash and Aquaman with him.

[CaptainStacy]

I didn't even look at what the fight actually was. Now that I have, the JLA would win easily. Manhunter was as good when the JLA first formed as he is now with all of his powers, and I doubt the entire original roster of the X-Men could beat Green Lantern alone, much less on a team that includes the Flash and Aquaman with him.

Meh. Aquaman back in those days was a bit of a joke, and i don't remember seeing the 60's Flash doing anything that the 60's Quicksilver couldn't do (i.e, running up and down walls, over water, etc.,), and the X-Men routinely fought Quicksilver off....and i remember Cyclops blasts being compared to the strength of Thor and the Hulk, which tells me he should be able to destroy any of GL's constructs...also, i recall Professor X mentioning that he had trained the original X-Men to resist mental attacks....

Still, Jonn could still go intangible back then, correct? I don't know if the original X-Men have a way to counter that. Unless Professor X is part of this fight....if not, then i think Jonn is the last man standing, effectively giving JLA the win... in my opinion.

[TheCorpulent1]

Meh. Aquaman back in those days was a bit of a joke, and i don't remember seeing the 60's Flash doing anything that the 60's Quicksilver couldn't do (i.e, running up and down walls, over water, etc.,), and the X-Men routinely fought Quicksilver off....and i remember Cyclops blasts being compared to the strength of Thor and the Hulk, which tells me he should be able to destroy any of GL's constructs...also, i recall Professor X mentioning that he had trained the original X-Men to resist mental attacks....

Still, Jonn could still go intangible back then, correct? I don't know if the original X-Men have a way to counter that. Unless Professor X is part of this fight....if not, then i think Jonn is the last man standing, effectively giving JLA the win... in my opinion.
Professor X trained the X-Men to withstand mental attacks a lot more as the years progressed, but that didn't stop the likes of Cassandra Nova, the Shadow King, and a bunch of other telepaths from being very, very effective against them. J'onn's around Professor X's level with telepathy.

Barry could run and react at the speed of light. That's something Quicksilver could never hope to do then and still couldn't do last year before he lost his powers.

I'm not sure how Hal was portrayed back then, but I'm pretty sure he could brace himself and withstand class 100 blasts, especially if they're only coming from one guy.

Compare that to the fact that J'onn is almost as strong as the Hulk or Thor himself and faster besides, Aquaman's a decent mid-range powerhouse in his own right, Barry could hit each of them 100 times a minute, and Black Canary could probably outfight any of them except maybe Beast. Also, the JLA has greater mobility--2 fliers and a guy who can move at light speed. Plus the JLA members were all experienced heroes in their own right, as opposed to the X-Men, who were still green teenagers. I don't know, all the advantages seem stacked in the JLA's favor.

[CaptainStacy]

Professor X trained the X-Men to withstand mental attacks a lot more as the years progressed, but that didn't stop the likes of Cassandra Nova, the Shadow King, and a bunch of other telepaths from being very, very effective against them. J'onn's around Professor X's level with telepathy.

Barry could run and react at the speed of light. That's something Quicksilver could never hope to do then and still couldn't do last year before he lost his powers.

I'm not sure how Hal was portrayed back then, but I'm pretty sure he could brace himself and withstand class 100 blasts, especially if they're only coming from one guy.

Compare that to the fact that J'onn is almost as strong as the Hulk or Thor himself and faster besides, Aquaman's a decent mid-range powerhouse in his own right, Barry could hit each of them 100 times a minute, and Black Canary could probably outfight any of them except maybe Beast. Also, the JLA has greater mobility--2 fliers and a guy who can move at light speed. Plus the JLA members were all experienced heroes in their own right, as opposed to the X-Men, who were still green teenagers. I don't know, all the advantages seem stacked in the JLA's favor.

But again; we're talking about the JLA as they were written in the sixties....The Flash used to struggle against Turtle Man...TURTLE MAN!!! Hell, he had trouble against Captain Cold, a mook with an ice gun who had NONE of the intense training Booby had. 60's Drake would put 60's Flash on ice in a heartbeat, imo....JLA/Avengers, which DC Comics acknowledges as continuity, saw the GL power ring force field crumble under two blows from Wonder Man. I can only imagine what a sustained blast from Cyke would do to it. He once blasted his way through a mountain...Beast is way too fast for Black Canary, who, according to JLA: Year One, was 18 years old at the time, iirc, and certainly no more expierienced than Hank, who had the advantage of Danger Room training by Professor X... and Angel drops a brick on Aquadud's head from twenty stories high...

That leaves Marvel Girl vs Jonn, and i agree he would make short work of her, then take out the others. UNLESS Xavier is present. Then The X-Men take it. And honestly, Professor X used to fight alongside his X-Men quite a bit. He fought Magneto in their very first adventure....i see no reason to exclude him here. (Smiles enigmatically).

[Kmack]

The Original JLA

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought we were talking about the JLA as they were presented in JLA Year One. That's where the pic is from, anyway. They were a little unorganized in that, but they definitely packed a lot of power. If it's the JLA as they were originally presented, I can't really say much because I haven't read any of their pre-Crisis early comics.

[White_Howling]

the original fantastic four

[Sparta*]

lol

[Harlekin]

JLA easily.

[XwolverineX]

Anyone who said X-men should be shot.

[BrianWilly]

The JLA wins easy. Martian Manhunter or Green Lantern alone would be more than the first-year X-Men's match.

[Silver Sable]

Jla

[Hellstormer]

12-3 JLA so far...

I personally think Beat could handle Aquaman (he did have superstrength)
Marvel Girl could handle MM
Iceman could takle GL
Cyclops could so beat BC cry.
But I'm not sure about What Angel could do, he's nto that fast (or useful)

[Quentin Beck]

I think the JLA

[Hellstormer]

Dude Spider-man 3 looks awsome there's gonna be a dancing Tiger it cannot get any better.

[Harlekin]

11-3 JLA so far...

I personally think Beat could handle Aquaman (he did have superstrength)
Not on the level of Aquaman. Not now, not ever.

Marvel Girl could handle MM
Not back then. Not even now really, since he has a multitude of extra powers.

Iceman could takle GL
Not a snowball's chance in hell back then, lucky break today.

Cyclops could so beat BC cry.
True.

But I'm not sure about What Angel could do, he's nto that fast (or useful)
Yeah, he'd get his ass beat along with the others.

[Genesis 1.0]

Meh, being older doesn't mean crap unless you've got the field experience and the original JLA had that on their own before they assembled. Original X-Men showed ALOT of guts and innovation defeating guys with alot more experience than they, but JLA is just too heavy in power, mostly because of Martian Manhunter.

My Vote: JLA

*Hmmmm, Vision vs Martian Manhunter, now there's an interesting match-up*

[Hellstormer]

*Hmmmm, Vision vs Martian Manhunter, now there's an interesting match-up*Good one I'll do that next.

[Quentin Beck]

Dude Spider-man 3 looks awsome there's gonna be a dancing Tiger it cannot get any better.LMAO :)

[goldmill]

Honestly, I really don't see how anyone could vote X-Men.

As mentioned, MM and GL could take them out alone and so could Flash. Barry wasn't the master of his powers that Wally is but he was far from a slouch. A guy that moves at the speed of light could take every one of them out before they could move. Then factor in MM's speed is way up there as well. It isn't even a contest.

Also, people are really underestimating Aquaman. True, he is far more powerful today but he still was at least a class 40-50 guy back then.

Marvel Girl's powers were barely developed back then, same as Ice Man. Beast is a great fighter and could take out BC but no one else. And Angel couldn't really pose a threat to anyone, IMO. If Xavier was there it would be a little closer because him and MM would be battling until the rest of the X-Men were eliminated which would buy them some time. But afterwards they would just have to gang up on him will he was still fighting MM.

[FNSpider-man]

I'm a Marvel guy all the way, but I think the JLA would wipe up the X-men. Lanterna nd Martian Manhunter would kick some serious butt.

[Hellstormer]

15-3 where are all the marvel fans?

[FNSpider-man]

I'm a Marvel fan, but I dont think that would even be a fair matchup. Marvel needs more or its heavy hitters. make it the JLA vs The Avengers.

[Hellstormer]

I'm a Marvel fan, but I dont think that would even be a fair matchup. Marvel needs more or its heavy hitters. make it the JLA vs The Avengers.I believe that's been done

[The Joker™]

plus they would pound the avengers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Depends on the roster of each. The original Avengers vs. the original JLA could actually be a decent match given that Thor is highly resistant to telepathy and, overall, the Avengers actually might've packed more power at that point than the JLA did. Iron Man, Thor (who frequently had super-speed in the Silver Age), and the Hulk compared to the Martian Manhunter, the Flash, and Green Lantern.

[XwolverineX]

Let's get a new one going.

[Hellstormer]

Let's get a new one going.Are you sure, I was gonna wait a couple months :o

15-3 is the final tally for JLA next match.

http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Vision/VisionAvengers.gifVision

VS.

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1185/pictures/mm-3.jpg Martian Manhunter

Vision vs. Martian Manhunter: This battle will be taking place on the moon and there was an hour of prep for both, though I odn't think it would matter.

[Silver Sable]

Martian Manhunter

[Quentin Beck]

Vision

[White_Howling]

Vision

[XwolverineX]

Manhunter

[goldmill]

Manhunter

[Marvin]

J'onn out classes him

[blah]

vision is my man... I mean android!

[Harlekin]

Martian Manhunter

[TheCorpulent1]

Tough battle. Vision's immune to J'onn's telepathy and could detect him even if he went invisible, both can phase, both have eyebeams, both can fly, both have decent super-strength... In the end, I think Martian Manhunter's super-speed and shapeshifting would give him the win, though.

If we're talking about the Young Avengers' Vision, who has Kang's shapeshifting armor with greater firepower in place of his old body, it might be a different story. He'd probably be able to keep up with J'onn better, but I doubt he'd be able to beat him because of, again, the super-speed.

[Sparta*]

Vision

[The Leaguer]

Definitely J'onn. It basically comes down to Vision being practically unable to hurt J'onn, and even if he did, J'onn would theoretically be able to heal any injury pretty quickly. Also, from what I understand, Vision's phasing is limited to simply affecting the density of his own molecules, correct? J'onn's phasing works much the same way, but he has been shown affecting the molecules of others, such as when he phased Superman through a table as Fernus. Since I don't think Vision can do that, that gives J'onn a huge advantage.

[Kmack]

Vision

[Unthinkable]

Manhunter.

[Marvin]

if zoom can keep up(almost) with the flash(JLA hyperclan)...

that pretty much puts j'onns speed over quicksilvers right?

just saying...

[BrianWilly]

Martian Manhunter.

[Hellstormer]

7-5 MM I'll give it to Jonzz also. bringing it to 8-5

[blah]

poor vision

[Marvin]

I suggest Wolverine and Deathstroke battle

[Hellstormer]

I suggest Wolverine and Deathstroke battleThat seems a bit one-sided but I'll consider it.

[The Joker™]

who cares do it anyways.

deathstroke would mangle wolverine.

manhunter

[The Joker™]

manhunter

[Arkady Rossovich]

One could say that the current Martian Manhunter is too powerful.But i know him more,so im going to go with the Martian Manhunter.

Good match.

[Hellstormer]

10-5 and Vision isn't getting any love so far...

[TheCorpulent1]

One could say that the current Martian Manhunter is too powerful.But i know him more,so im going to go with the Martian Manhunter.

Good match.
Manhunter's got a lot of powers, but they're generally not quite up to the level of other characters' powers. He's not as good a shapeshifter as Plastic Man, not as strong as Superman or even Wonder Woman, not as fast as Superman, etc. His telepathy's really his forte.

[Marvin]

yes but fernus...

[Calendar Man]

Martian Manhunter.

[DeGenerate10]

Manhunter

[XwolverineX]

I thought that would be a cloer battle, good selection.

[TheCorpulent1]

yes but fernus...
Ever hear of a gestalt? The sum of Manhunter's powers, when used together and as viciously as Fernus was willing to use them, makes him a lot more of a badass than his sub-Wonder Woman strength, sub-Superman speed, etc. makes him sound like at first. The difference, of course, is that Fernus was willing to go much further than J'onn is, and Fernus didn't have any obvious weaknesses to exploit. Vision's eyebeams are concentrated microwaves... microwaves heat things... see where I'm going with this? A stray blast of Vision's microwave beams hits a patch of grass and suddenly the Manhunter's a blubbering idiot on the floor.

[Hellstormer]

12-5 Manhunter c'mon this is even in the Marvel forums.

[FNSpider-man]

I think everyone is selling the Vision short, he has superhuman strength, can alter his density, along with the blasts from his eyes. I go with the Vision

[Harlekin]

I think everyone is selling the Vision short, he has superhuman strength, can alter his density, along with the blasts from his eyes. I go with the Vision
J'Onn can do that and superior levels and even more.

[The Leaguer]

Ever hear of a gestalt? The sum of Manhunter's powers, when used together and as viciously as Fernus was willing to use them, makes him a lot more of a badass than his sub-Wonder Woman strength, sub-Superman speed, etc. makes him sound like at first. The difference, of course, is that Fernus was willing to go much further than J'onn is, and Fernus didn't have any obvious weaknesses to exploit. Vision's eyebeams are concentrated microwaves... microwaves heat things... see where I'm going with this? A stray blast of Vision's microwave beams hits a patch of grass and suddenly the Manhunter's a blubbering idiot on the floor.
I'm sure J'onn is an expert at avoiding fiery situations like that, given that he himself has heat vision.

[Marvin]

and what's to stop manhunter from altering his density and rewiring vision with superspeed?

writers to tend to dumb characters down due to situations...
I for one believe that manhunter should be able to flee any firey situation before it really affects him...

[TheCorpulent1]

The Vision could reduce his own density, for one thing. Two intangible people aren't going to be able to touch each other anymore than they can touch other things. I doubt simply rewiring Vision would do much anyway. He was originally "wired" to kill the Avengers, but he ended up becoming one of their most valuable members. He was "wired" not to have any emotions later, but he recovered his old personality, emotions and all, regardless.

J'onn's super-speed would give him the win, as I said, but it wouldn't really be an easy battle. The Vision's managed to hold his own against the Silver Surfer.
I'm sure J'onn is an expert at avoiding fiery situations like that, given that he himself has heat vision.
No, dummy, he has Martian Vision. Superman's the one with heat vision. :o

[The Leaguer]

No, dummy, he has Martian Vision. Superman's the one with heat vision. :o
Martian Vision is heat vision!

[Genesis 1.0]

lol, I was the one that suggested this match and I can't even decide. manhunter and Vision are just so much alike, but I think that once Vizh goes to his ultra-dense state that deflects most anything, manhunter's various shapes become null and void if they can do no damage. Also, Vision voids out MM's telepathic skills. Also, as mentioned above, he held his own against the Surfer, Cosmic level power, I think he'd be able to deduce a strategem to defeat MM.

Vision.

[The Leaguer]

lol, I was the one that suggested this match and I can't even decide. manhunter and Vision are just so much alike, but I think that once Vizh goes to his ultra-dense state that deflects most anything, manhunter's various shapes become null and void if they can do no damage. Also, Vision voids out MM's telepathic skills. Also, as mentioned above, he held his own against the Surfer, Cosmic level power, I think he'd be able to deduce a strategem to defeat MM.

Vision.
J'onn's shape-shifting still lets him get inside Vision and muck things up. Also, it's possible that J'onn could use his own phasing to force Vision's density back down.

[Marvin]

I don't see vision laying a finger on(writting fairly) on someone with manhunters various abilities...

the thing is vison has that denser than superman state...
manhunter can't reach that level of invulnerability..

way I see it, manhunter drives vison to the denser than diamond state...and zips though him(zoom speed) and take him apart from the inside(even if that meant turning to ooze and coming out his eyes)

[POWdER-man]

Mm!

[TheCorpulent1]

Martian Vision is heat vision!
Yeah, right. Next you're gonna tell me that soylent green is people or some such nonsense. :rolleyes:

[Genesis 1.0]

J'onn's shape-shifting still lets him get inside Vision and muck things up. Also, it's possible that J'onn could use his own phasing to force Vision's density back down.

Valid point. However, given Vizh's android intelligence and his own exceptional phasing abilities I think that Manhunter might get away with disrupting him a portion initially before Vision re-alters his density/molecular structure to counteract it. Again, with the Surfer, we saw Vision do somethings that showed true innoation, I don't think it'd be beyond him to find a way to debunk Manhunter's abilities, especially since they're so much like his own, if he knows his own weakness in that respect, then he knows Manhunter's.

There's always the possibility of him taking that same strategy of phasing through Manhunter, partially solidifying, and mucking up MM as well. As the other guy said, let's not seel the Vizh short, as Goliath always said. No way is this a squash match.

[The Leaguer]

If Vision attacked J'onn in that respect, J'onn could just heal himself instantaneously. Like I said, Vision would have a Hell of a time hurting J'onn, and even if he did, he would have an even harder time doing any permanent damage.

[3dman27]

how about an aparition vs kitty pryde matchup?

[Hellstormer]

12-6 for the green dude and I'm ending it. Next battle (as suggested)

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/3306/ew52sf.jpgWolverine

VS.

http://hallofheroes.free.fr/Images/Vilains/Deathstroke.jpgDeathstroke

Wolverine vs. Deathstroke: Deathstroke had 1 hour prep and they're fighting at an abandonned airport

[Hellstormer]

how about an aparition vs kitty pryde matchup?It's in consideration but I already have my next fight planned.

[Marvin]

with preptime?

deathstroke took out the jla(sans batman(and superman) of course)

Deathstroke is officially the best at what he does!

he wins

[The Leaguer]

Deathstroke, easily.

He's a better fighter than Wolverine ever was, he's smarter than Wolverine ever could be, and is stronger, faster and more agile than Wolverine should be. Wolverine may have his healing factor, but Deathstroke is downright immortal. We've seen Wolverine die dozens of times. And then there's the fact that Deathstroke carries nearly as much gear as Batman.

Wolverine wouldn't have a prayer.

[Marvin]

eventhough that millar(enemy of the state) story arch did present wolverine as the number one badass of marvel
literaly

good thing deathstroke is dc's number one BA

[POWdER-man]

Hmm I wonder if Deadpool would have been a better choice.....

Deathstroke....

[Quantum_Goddess]

Hmm I wonder if Deadpool would have been a better choice.....

Deathstroke....

Probably would have been.

Deathstroke annihalates Wolverine without TOO much effort.

[The Joker™]

Deathstroke would run through him.

He could beat the hulk.

[Nasty-B]

Hmm I wonder if Deadpool would have been a better choice.....

Deathstroke....

What's the point? Deadpool is just a Liefeldian parody of Deathstroke anyway. C'mon, Slade Wilson vs. Wade Wilson. Deadpool is just a dumbed-down Deathstroke with a sense of humor.

[Arkady Rossovich]

If this is 90`s Wolverine or Chris Claremont Wolverine then he would win without a doubt.But if its current 'James Howlett' Wolverine,then Deathstroke.

Im going to go with Wolverine.

[The Leaguer]

Deathstroke has a sense of humor, he's just cooler about it.

[Sparta*]

Wolverine

[FNSpider-man]

I think Wolverine takes a fierce battle

[Silver Sable]

Deathstroke

[goldmill]

Deathstroke

[TheCorpulent1]

What's the point? Deadpool is just a Liefeldian parody of Deathstroke anyway. C'mon, Slade Wilson vs. Wade Wilson. Deadpool is just a dumbed-down Deathstroke with a sense of humor.
So what's wrong with that? DP's still hilarious. :p

Deathstroke kicks Wolverine's ass. He's well beyond Wolverine in every respect except healing factor, but that wouldn't matter anyway since Deathstroke's also a much better fighter than Wolverine.

[Harlekin]

Deathstroke, easily

[Hellstormer]

10-3 for the Slade. I'l vote for The Terminator as well bringing it to 11-3

[Calendar Man]

I vote for Deathstroke. Didn't Deadshot say Deathstroke had some kind of healing factor too in Villians United? Anyway...Deathstroke could have won this battle even without prep time.

[Iambaytor]

I don't know, Wolverine may not be smart but Deathstroke would more or less have to pretty much blow the guy to smithereens to stop him. It's never really been explored exactly what Wolverine's breaking point is, I mean if he was reduced to a living adamantium skeleton with organs would he still be able to function? If Wolverine wins it would only be by the fact that his healing factory trumps Deathstroke's inteligence and mortality.

I gotta say Wolverine.

Also would it be out of the question to use Hitman's Tommy Monaghan vs. The Punisher for the next one?

[My vengeance]

I don't know, Wolverine may not be smart but Deathstroke would more or less have to pretty much blow the guy to smithereens to stop him. It's never really been explored exactly what Wolverine's breaking point is, I mean if he was reduced to a living adamantium skeleton with organs would he still be able to function? If Wolverine wins it would only be by the fact that his healing factory trumps Deathstroke's inteligence and mortality.

I gotta say Wolverine.

Also would it be out of the question to use Hitman's Tommy Monaghan vs. The Punisher for the next one?

Heh,I'm pretty sure Wolverine would die if he'd be reduced to his adamantium skeleton.He's a living being after all and there's no basis to assume he'd still be walking if this scenario would occure.He's not the Terminator,for Christ's sake!

Curbstomp for Deathstroke.

[DeGenerate10]

Wolverine

[Quantum_Goddess]

Heh,I'm pretty sure Wolverine would die if he'd be reduced to his adamantium skeleton.He's a living being after all and there's no basis to assume he'd still be walking if this scenario would occure.He's not the Terminator,for Christ's sake!

Curbstomp for Deathstroke.

He said with organs. Like, without skin.

[1987olds442]

Wolverine

[Iambaytor]

He said with organs. Like, without skin.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I've seen the Punisher rough this guy up pretty good (you know, like shotting his face off with a shotgun) and still he seemed to be fine.

[The Joker™]

Deathstroke is immortal and if it was him who got hired to kill Hulk he would've.

Wolverine can't mess with Death.

[BrianWilly]

Y'know what...I'm actually going to go with Wolverine on this.

Deathstroke is good, but I'm one of the few people who apparently find him way overrated. He doesn't have superstrength. He barely has superspeed. Most of his tricks come from his gear. His supposed "meta" powers would be borderline irrelevant if they were given to any other person. And Wolverine goes toe-to-toe with people like that all the time, living to tell the tale.

[3dman27]

slade

[My vengeance]

He said with organs. Like, without skin.

Oh,well in that case he wouldn't actually die,he's taken worse,still,Deathstroke took on the Elongated Man,Wally,Zatanna,Hawkman,Green Arrow,Black Canary,Atom and Kyle Rayner,and almost succeded in defeating them all.I don't see Logan being able to do that.

[Hellstormer]

15-7 for Wilson. so far...

[TheCorpulent1]

Y'know what...I'm actually going to go with Wolverine on this.

Deathstroke is good, but I'm one of the few people who apparently find him way overrated. He doesn't have superstrength. He barely has superspeed. Most of his tricks come from his gear. His supposed "meta" powers would be borderline irrelevant if they were given to any other person. And Wolverine goes toe-to-toe with people like that all the time, living to tell the tale.
Wolverine's never had much luck against Captain America, and Slade's like Cap but better. Slade's overrated, sure, but not to the extent Wolverine himself is.

[This I.........]

Wolverine mafawkass
isnt deathstroke and slade the same kind of character?

[Quantum_Goddess]

Wolverine mafawkass
isnt deathstroke and slade the same kind of character?

Yep.

[White_Howling]

have to give this to deathstroke..

[This I.........]

then my choice was correct

[TheCorpulent1]

Wolverine mafawkass
isnt deathstroke and slade the same kind of character?
More than that, Deathstroke and Slade are the EXACT same character. Slade is Deathstroke's real name.

[Quantum_Goddess]

More than that, Deathstroke and Slade are the EXACT same character. Slade is Deathstroke's real name.

Can you tell I could use sleep? I thought that's what he said. Good save there. x.x

[3dman27]

More than that, Deathstroke and Slade are the EXACT same character. Slade is Deathstroke's real name.
yes it is aparently when he was picked to be a teen titan villian CN was leery about the codename "deathstroke so the just call him "slade"

[Silicon Surfer]

Deathstroke easily. I think it was Shingen Yashida who once put a katana through Wolverines torso and it took Wolverine two months to heal from it . however I've read here somewhere that Wovie's healing factor was recently upgraded so who knows for sure. But since the very beginning Deathstroke has had low level super strength and speed as well as superhuman senses.

[Hellstormer]

17-9 final next battle

http://www.mcnabbstudios.com/whats_new/topps_cards/ghost_rider.jpgGhost Rider(Blaze)

VS.


http://spider-bob.com/heroes/dc/images/SpectreI_01.jpgThe Spectre (Connigan)

The Spirits of Vengeance: A battle in an old church. NO prep.

[Silicon Surfer]

Spectre. Even in the early days he wielded a lot of magic.

[blah]

Hey, that's not fair!!
Ghost Rider isn't even near the Spectre power level!!
This is like Mohammad Ali vs Goerge Forman all over again!!

[Harlekin]

Spectre, very very very easily.

[Sparta*]

the Spectre

[POWdER-man]

Damn...that's a shame.....Spectre

[Red]

Nice, highjacking a thread from misc. comics

[newmexneon]

spectre

[Hellstormer]

6-0 I knew everyone would ote for Spectre I just had to know. I just foun the original DC/Marvel thread over in Misc. wich I swear I knew nothiing about.

[Genesis 1.0]

Spectre, with relative ease. Almost as bad as Silver Surfer vs Green Arrow, GA's badass but that ain't gonna cut it. Although with Hal Jordan Spectre, I think that he's got more than enough skeletons in his closet to justify Ghost Rider's presence.

[Sparta*]

well at least that picture of Spectre is uber cool :up:

[Quantum_Goddess]

Hey, that's not fair!!
Ghost Rider isn't even near the Spectre power level!!
This is like Mohammad Ali vs Goerge Forman all over again!!

Hell, he isn't even Ragman's power level.

Spectre would blink his skull pupil, and condemn the poor guy back to hell.

And it's spelled Corrigan.

[Marvin]

huh

[Hellstormer]

Alright new battle the Spctres crushed GR in the first couple hours. next battle (as suggested)

http://www.fanzing.com/images/imgs24/Flight.jpgApparition

VS.

http://xrpg.rpcommunity.com/images/shadowcat.gifShadowcat

Apparition vs. Shadowcat: Just for kick this fight will be in the Winchester Mystery House (hope ya'll know what that is)

[Arkady Rossovich]

My vote goes to Shadowcat..

[Although i dont really like how she is portrayed now.]

[blah]

I don't know anything about apparition, so I'm voting for ShadowCat.

[Iambaytor]

Is this really much of a battle? They can both go incorporeal, that's not much of a fight if you ask me. I'll jump on the bandwagon and say Shadowcat as I'm not very familiar with apparition.

[This I.........]

i do know alittle about Apparition which is why im voting for Shadow Cat aka Kitty Pride

[Silver Sable]

Shadowcat

[Superman \S/]

Shadowcat

[3dman27]

tinya wazzo aparition of the legion of superheroes dc 31rst century superteam

[Silicon Surfer]

Shadowcat

[POWdER-man]

Kitty

[Sparta*]

Ms. Pryde

[White_Howling]

Shadow Cat

[Hellstormer]

10-0 wow at least this battle wasn't my idea.

[blah]

10-0 wow at least this battle wasn't my idea.
Nyaha!!! Take that Aparition!! You with your stupid, one name!!!

[Marvin]

i suggest Beyonder/Myxspidlyk

[blah]

Mxyspidlyk?

[Hellstormer]

i suggest Beyonder/MyxspidlykYou mean Mr. Mxyzptlk?

[Marvin]

yea sorry...

[blah]

for a second there I was terrified!
"Oy, not another one of those!!!"
:D

[FNSpider-man]

ShadowCat kicks butt

[TheCorpulent1]

Pitting two people whose main power is intangibility against each other seems kind of silly to me. One intangible person wouldn't be able to touch another intangible person anymore than they can touch anything else... Apparition and Shadowcat would spend the whole match slapping their hands through each other.

[Nightwing]

Dont they both sord of have the same powers?

[Nightwing]

Pitting two people whose main power is intangibility against each other seems kind of silly to me. One intangible person wouldn't be able to touch another intangible person anymore than they can touch anything else... Apparition and Shadowcat would spend the whole match slapping their hands through each other.

We posted at the same time,thats what I was thinking.

[TheCorpulent1]

Intangible slapping... it's a common thought.

[3dman27]

10-0 wow at least this battle wasn't my idea.
excuse me i voted for tinya/aparitionso its 10-1
and this matchup was my idea

[Harlekin]

Pitting two people whose main power is intangibility against each other seems kind of silly to me. One intangible person wouldn't be able to touch another intangible person anymore than they can touch anything else... Apparition and Shadowcat would spend the whole match slapping their hands through each other.
Not true. Neophyte, another phaser was able to fight Shadowcat because they were both phased. Somehow, comic book science allows two intangible people to touch each other.

[blah]

Not true. Neophyte, another phaser was able to fight Shadowcat because they were both phased. Somehow, comic book science allows two intangible people to touch each other.
I don't know why, but that sounded dirty.

[XwolverineX]

Deadpool vs. Deathstroke!

[blah]

enough with the deathstroke!! Didn't the people decided he was too badass for any Marvel badass? That just pisses me off to see so many people voting for him instead of Logan.
I'm sorry xwolverinex, that must be eating at you...

[XwolverineX]

Not really, cuz Deathstroke could beat Wolverine.

[blah]

wow, that's so sincere...

[Silicon Surfer]

Intangibility should allow them to touch each other only if they are using the same kind of intangibility which they are not. Shadowcat adjusts her molecules to allow her to pass through an object Tinya shifts into another dimension. At least she used to. Unless they changed that too.Technically I think that Tinyas' power is the superior one but I don't think she has the fighting skills to back it up. If she has a Legion flight ring that would be a huge advantage.

[rodhulk]

I don't know why, but that sounded dirty.Yes, it was dirty. Delete this thread (just kiddin')!

[rodhulk]

Shadowcat.

[Genesis 1.0]

enough with the deathstroke!! Didn't the people decided he was too badass for any Marvel badass? That just pisses me off to see so many people voting for him instead of Logan.
I'm sorry xwolverinex, that must be eating at you...

Meh, sarcasm or not, I think Logan was buried simply because of his popularity.

That's neither here nor there, Vote: Shadowcat.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know about anyone else, but I voted for Deathstroke because based on what I've seen of both characters, he'd bury Logan pretty easily.

[Hellstormer]

10-4 and I'm ending SAorry it took so long my ISP's been freaking out one me latey next battle

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/87/Batman638_2ndprint.jpg/180px-Batman638_2ndprint.jpgRed Hood (Jason Todd)

VS.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/CAPA011_covcol.jpg/400px-CAPA011_covcol.jpgWinter Soldier

Winter Soldier vs. Red Hood: FIghting on a frozen lake that's melting.(Just to make things diffrent)

[White_Howling]

hard choice..

but im gonna vote for red hood

[XwolverineX]

Red Hood...Sweet match.

[Hellstormer]

2-0 Ex-Robin
Red Hood...Sweet match.Thanks I wanted to do this fight for awhile.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Red Hood.Jason Todd is seeking revenge..

[XwolverineX]

2-0 Ex-Robin
Thanks I wanted to do this fight for awhile.


I had posted it in the misc comics section, I think it would be good. :up:

[1987olds442]

Winter Soldier

[Silver Sable]

Winter Soldier

[Hellstormer]

3-2 and I'm gonna give it to Jason as well just because I think he's a bit smarter then Bucky. 4-2

[The Leaguer]

Red Hood. He's five times as cool as Winter Soldier ever could be. Also, he doesn't have stupid long hair. That's grounds for an instant win for Hood right there.

[The Joker™]

I'm going to say Todd only because in the last issue of Batman Blackmask stabed him and I think he might have a healing power or not being able to die power now.

[ShadowBoxing]

Winter Soldier...remember the super soldier serum runs through his viens

[The Joker™]

That wouldn't stop a taser to the eyes though.

[This I.........]

winter soldier is bucky?

[Sparta*]

Winter Soldier

[Quentin Beck]

Red Hood

[White_Howling]

winter soldier is bucky?


yep yep yep

[blah]

If the Winter Soldier turns out to be bucky, Then I'll vote for him. Bucky beat up the guys who trained Captain America, Can Jason Todd do that to Batman's trainers? no seriously I'm asking here, did he?

Either way Winter Soldier is my man....

[3dman27]

winter soldier

[Marvin]

caps trainers are hardly batmans trainers...imo

[TheCorpulent1]

I've always thought that Cap was such a good fighter because of an inherent talent and a great ability to improvise the most effective moves for a situation, not because he had incredible teachers.
If the Winter Soldier turns out to be bucky, Then I'll vote for him. Bucky beat up the guys who trained Captain America, Can Jason Todd do that to Batman's trainers? no seriously I'm asking here, did he?

Either way Winter Soldier is my man....
Winter Soldier's already been confirmed as being Bucky.

[Quantum_Goddess]

Cap was taught. But most of his training was natural ability and resolve. And Bucky is said to be even FURTHER than that. I mean, did you see that scrawny little punk waste those brawny soldiers with little effort?

And now he's just bigger, much more experienced, and willing to end a fight.

I'm going with the Winter Soldier.

[The Joker™]

Todds willing to end a fight.

I'm mean he pretty much kills atleast one person a month now.

[blah]

Todds willing to end a fight.

I'm mean he pretty much kills atleast one person a month now.
Yeah, but WS killed thousands in one issue with the flick of a switch....

[Hellstormer]

7-6 for Bucky what a comeback!:eek: This will be a close one.

[FNSpider-man]

Winter Soldier

[Genesis 1.0]

The Winter Soilder, the way he baited Cap in just so he could watch, helpless, as he set off that explosion was sweet.

Winter Soilder

[CaptainStacy]

Winter Soldier.

[Hellstormer]

10-6 for Bucky:eek: where's all the bat fans?

[This I.........]

Winter Soldier

[blah]

10-6 for Bucky:eek: where's all the bat fans?
They have forsaken thee... oooooooooooooooo(ghost -like)
We must prepare a sacrafice, sorry couldn't resist!

[mrvlknight21]

winter soldier

[XwolverineX]

The Red Hood could take down Bucky no problem. The Red Hood is Batmans skill level, Bucky would forfit.

[POWdER-man]

Winter soldier

[Hellstormer]

13-6 and it's over hows the for a comeback?:eek: next battle

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/tv2/kids/justice_league/superman_d.jpg

VS.

http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/quadrinhos/news/marvel_comics/sentry1.jpg

VS.

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/m/majestic.jpg

Sentry vs. Superman vs. Majestic: BAttle Royal Last man standing on Triton (Neptune's moon)

[The Joker™]

Yeah, but WS killed thousands in one issue with the flick of a switch....

I was just saying Todd is willing to end a fight by killing.

No matter how many people Winter Soldier kills, it doesn't dissprove him not.

[DeGenerate10]

Superman

[XwolverineX]

Superman