YES or NO, should Cyclops be killed off?

[the_scream]

I know a lot of people don't like Cyclops but most agree that he is an essential character in the X-Men Universe. So, let's have either a yes or no as to whether he should be killed off in X3.


NO!

[sparky_parker]

no he shouldnt

[DarthRekal]

i started to vote yes.... but even though i dont like cat..he is the XMEN.... cant kill off homes.....

[WorthyStevens]

A resounding 'no' from me.

[DarthRekal]

A resounding 'no' from me.

shoulda guessed by your sig!:)

[MsNatchios]

No way! I seriously question those who have voted "yes". I get some people don't like him but he's as integral to the X-Men as Professor X and Wolverine are. It's just like wanting to kill Batman off (in a very anti-climactic way, mind you) in a Justice League movie.

[Mary]

Of course not!

[Dark Beast]

IF (and only, if) it's better for the plot, then yes he should.

[DarthRekal]

No way! I seriously question those who have voted "yes". I get some people don't like him but he's as integral to the X-Men as Professor X and Wolverine are. It's just like wanting to kill Batman off (in a very anti-climactic way, mind you) in a Justice League movie.

agreed natchios..that is why i refrained.... as much as i dont like the dude...he is synonymous with XMEN....

[Neto Magnus]

hey MsNatchios, is that pic of Jen from Alias or Elektra?

[brazilian_boy]

No....

[Aiden]

No.

[MsNatchios]

hey MsNatchios, is that pic of Jen from Alias or Elektra?
I think it's from a photoshoot probably before Daredevil even came out. I'm too lazy to look for an Elektra one.

[Dark Beast]

Why? Why is it so bad to kill of a charactre that hasn't been doing anything THAT necessary to the plot? I don't want another X2. I'd rather have a fair part with a sad sad death.

[GoldGoblin]

No,this would be a huge mistake.

[Jugger-hulk]

YES PLEASEE KILL HIM.. thatd be funny

[onejeremytogo]

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO Please big bad movie producer...don't kill off :cyclops:.

Kill off :wolverine instead.

[Phoenix342]

Kill off :wolverine instead.
Ha i wish they would kill him

I voted yes to killing him because i think it will add more emotion to the movie i remember when i thought jean sacrafised herself (before i saw the phoenix in the lake) i actually teared up, i want him dying to be a mojor emotional factor to the movie, and i want his death to be well played, if he dies and everyone is just like "oh shoot" and they dont really say anything else about him then ill be mad

[WorthyStevens]

shoulda guessed by your sig!:)

Well... heh!

[Dark Beast]

I'll repeat my question.... WHY NOT? I mean... what's the argument against it?

What has Cyke done in the movies, so far? Nothing, nada, zip, zero. He's totally expendable. I know the charactre we love isn't, but the movie-charactre is.
Like I said: I rather want one fair short role in the beginning of the movie for Cyclops, and then have a sad but noble death.

I can read 'No' in the poll... But what's the point?

I'm just curious. :)

[Sparta*]

NO! He should not be killed off...he is the heart and soul of the X-men...he is the leader of the team...he is their support...he is the one that is supposed to take care of the team if anything happens to Xavier.

[Mar420x]

NO IF YOUR GONNA KILL CYCLOPS U BETTER BLOW UP THE WHOLE MANSION WITH THE REST OF THEM. :down

[Jugger-hulk]

i think they should kill everytone and leave just leech... cause hes the best./..

[MsNatchios]

I'll repeat my question.... WHY NOT? I mean... what's the argument against it?

What has Cyke done in the movies, so far? Nothing, nada, zip, zero. He's totally expendable. I know the charactre we love isn't, but the movie-charactre is.
Like I said: I rather want one fair short role in the beginning of the movie for Cyclops, and then have a sad but noble death.

I can read 'No' in the poll... But what's the point?

I'm just curious. :)
So what you're saying is you don't want them to stay true to the comics? Cuz Mr. Summers plays a big part in X-Men mythos. At least have his death mean more than political vendetta against an actor.

[toddly6666]

YES, so that LEECH can someday take over as X-MEN leader.

[Dark Beast]

So what you're saying is you don't want them to stay true to the comics? Cuz Mr. Summers plays a big part in X-Men mythos. At least have his death mean more than political vendetta against an actor.

Oh, I don't have anything against James Marsden. :)
As it is, they're not staying true to comics anyway. If that's a good thing or not, is a total different discussion.

What I want, is a good movie. Nothing more, nothing less. I'd rather have a Cyclops with a fair role and a tragic death, then having him in there for a role in the background. I don't want X2 all over again: a background role in the beginning and TOTALLY ABSENT for the middle part, only to show up again at the last minute. I watched X2 a week ago (which is still a good movie) and when Cyclops almost shot Jean, I was thinking: 'heck, I forgot: Cyclops is in this movie too!'. Now, if the moviemakers can't just fit Cyke in the movies (which they should, off course), they should kill him off.

IF (again: IF) they don't have anything more to do for him in this movie, and it works as a dramatic effect, he should die.

Why do you think Jean died in the original Phoenix Saga? Or the original Thunderbird, for that matter?

[Kira]

Definitely no!

Pretty please...?

[jusblaze21]

No, Definetly No:down

[Hulkster]

Hell No, If they kill Cyclops then for me this will be the worst X-men movie in history.

[Seeker]

Crap. I voted NO cause I misread "Cyclops" as "Colossus".

Yes, kill the muddah.

[TNC9852002]

Ugh...These X3 death polls irritate me so much... :mad: Don't see much of the point behind 'em...Given the circumstances anyway,..


-TNC

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think it would be stupid to kill him off, i have always liked him in any incarnation as he is Charles' most trusted and dedicated student. Plus, hes the only one who can hurt Sinister!

[Canadian-beauty]

I voted " No " but, I know that if he dies in X3 that he would be back in X4 if there is one. Because, no one in the marvel universe ever stays dead for long.

[HighVoltage]

Hey another thread?:confused::confused:

[HughJackFan420]

i say HELL NO

but there are rumors he dies at the lake

but then i saw concept art of Juggernaut bashing him through a wall and Cyke blasting him back

[lordofthenerds]

I voted YES just because I think that he will indeed die and I've decided if done right they can make the scene with him and Jean very dramatic and well done.

[ShadowBoxing]

Obviously the answer is no they should not kill him off.

I mean we could even take this a step further and say that yes he should be the focus of a Phoenix Saga based film. However, it appears as though neither will happen

And in truth, the only person they should ever really consider killing off is Magneto....but as I say not gonna happen

[Iceman/Psylocke]

No

but...


No

[the_scream]

but then i saw concept art of Juggernaut bashing him through a wall and Cyke blasting him back

Really? Do you have a link?

[Telekinetic]

i voted no. just cuase i wouldent want him out of the films.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

Perhaps when wolverine "finds the visor"(if that is confirmed?) Cyclops is presumed dead, but is in fact not?.....

[lordofthenerds]

Perhaps when wolverine "finds the visor"(if that is confirmed?) Cyclops is presumed dead, but is in fact not?.....
Wolverine doesn't find a visor he finds the glasses floating. Cyclops has nver been shown wearing a visor in the trailer or any other pic.

[DarthRekal]

Wolverine doesn't find a visor he finds the glasses floating. Cyclops has nver been shown wearing a visor in the trailer or any other pic.

could it be he ditches the glasses in this one for a VISOR!?!??! ...hmmm maybe a run in with leech lets him be without the glasses for a bit??? so many ways to speculate so little keys to press

[Obsidian]

I'm beginning to think he actually makes it...at least long enough to put on his uniform. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have taken a picture of Marsden in his uniform for the hell of it. Wow. Would you look at that! I'm actually beginning to be optimistic of Cyclops' fate.:)

[lordofthenerds]

could it be he ditches the glasses in this one for a VISOR!?!??! ...hmmm maybe a run in with leech lets him be without the glasses for a bit??? so many ways to speculate so little keys to press
I highly doubt that his glasses floating in the air meant that he took off his glasses to put on a visor. I doubt if he took a visor to the lake with him he looked really ratty and depressed. He wouldn't just place his visor in his pocket. He went to the lake to mourn and take a break not to go kill somebody. It seemed to me like it indicated that Jean is back and she demolecularizes Cyclops.

[the_scream]

Possibly but he could also be knocked unconscious and have his eyes closed.

[lordofthenerds]

Possibly but he could also be knocked unconscious and have his eyes closed.
Good point. That is possible... but I still think Cyke dies.

[DarthRekal]

I highly doubt that his glasses floating in the air meant that he took off his glasses to put on a visor. I doubt if he took a visor to the lake with him he looked really ratty and depressed. He wouldn't just place his visor in his pocket. He went to the lake to mourn and take a break not to go kill somebody. It seemed to me like it indicated that Jean is back and she demolecularizes Cyclops.

LOL nerds..i gota love ya..no i didnt mean he would put the visor on there...i meant maybe later on in the movie.....i really dont think jean does anything to scott...i think its proven that they love each other so much they can break any mindhold(see x2).... but i think cyke maybe gets outa whack..looses his way.... i dont know..i just dont think she does him in... cant see it sorry...but im sayin if he leaves his glasses there AND he isnt dead then maybe in later in the movie he gets a visor:confused:

[Hulkster]

i say HELL NO

but there are rumors he dies at the lake

but then i saw concept art of Juggernaut bashing him through a wall and Cyke blasting him back

Can you give us the link of the concept art or can you post the pics in here? I really like to see it.:)

[Seeker]

People, Cyke bites the bullet. He´s disintegrated by Jean. Maybe he´ll be re-integrated by the end of the film to kick Juggs´ unstoppable ass, but for a long part of the film he will be as dead as Marsden´s acting skills.

[Octoberist]

I will bring pain and suffering to the ones who voted YES!

[Jamie Madrox]

I didn't want them to kill him off when I first heard they were gonna kill him off. Cyclops is one of the most important characters in X-Men. The leader. He can''t die. But, it looks like he's gonna bite it in this one. Which is stupid, but what can ya do?

:cyclops:

[Octoberist]

I'm not even a fan of Cyclops, and yet I'm his biggest supporters here. Strange...it's weird you got these Storm lovers running about. What's up with that? Whatever! :)

[muscaremy]

was watchin an old ep of fresh prince earlier and this came to mind............


HHHELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NOOO!!!

[Galadhlight]

killing off Cyclops would be suicide for any director. As is evidenced by the poll taken on this specific thread. I agree that he is an integral part of the x-men. I would however voice my opinion that though he is important, I believe Storm to be the better leader. So that would be a No + sidenote

[Octoberist]

Storm....GAG ME WITH A SPOON, my friend. SPOON!

[jusblaze21]

although us x-fans dont want cyke to die, i feel like the general movies goers who dont know to much about x-men really dont care about cyclops, his prescense in these movies have not been all that strong for them to care, and i think this may be a reason y fox considered his death. I jus hope fox listens to the fans and DONT KILL CYCLOPS.

[Octoberist]

in terms of the narrative, the non-fan will question Cyclops' death for one reason: Jean Grey is HIS girlfriend. That has been established in the movies already, though it's not like the deepest romance, it's there.

So if Logan is the one who brings back Jean from 'evil', it won't make any sense, and that love triangle is simply ruined. The whole idea of Logan not getting to get with 'the girl' is what made the triangle interesting. Plus, he's the homewrecker, not Cyclops; Scott is just uptight.

[Galadhlight]

Storm....GAG ME WITH A SPOON, my friend. SPOON!


Well first off that was just a sidenote, if you want my longer more in-depth opinion you should check out the Cyclops thread, I expressed what I thought of Cyclops. I was a Cyclops fan for years. Cyclops is important, traditionally has been seen as the leader and though I think the character (including all interpretations from comics, movies and cartoons) has never been the best leader, I would rather Cyclops be the leader than have him fragged out of a movie. If they(Writers, Fox, Ratner doesn't matter which) are even trying to take him out of the movie then they are shooting themselves in the foot. What's worse is that they have made him look pretty pathetic as a character when there is so much more to him than they've done.

[Seeker]

I will bring pain and suffering to the ones who voted YES!

Weird. I voted yes, yet I don´t fell myself paining or sufferiring. You need a new voodoo doll, dude.

[Wynne]

Possibly but he could also be knocked unconscious and have his eyes closed.

Oh, come on, people. Cyke would voluntarily close his eyes if his glasses were knocked off; it's absolutely elementary. Remember the uncontrollable laser beams? Yeah.

But I do still think he dies, that Jean kills him without meaning to, and I'm pissed about it. Because the real reason for his death, whatever stupid justification is given, would be "we were too damned lazy to give him some actual definition, and we thought the Hugh Jackman/Famke Janssen sex we're setting up for X4 would better bring in the box office dollars, so we're just conveniently disposing of him."

P.S. Storm and Cyke should be co-leads.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Why kill Cyclops when you could kill wolverine!:cyclops:

[Casius--J]

I'd like to take this oppertunity to say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[BHD]

definitely not. keep him as more of a leader.

[sparky_parker]

I will bring pain and suffering to the ones who voted YES!

lol :up:

[Octoberist]

Weird. I voted yes, yet I don´t fell myself paining or sufferiring. You need a new voodoo doll, dude.

NOOO!

[MoiBijou]

I will bring pain and suffering to the ones who voted YES!

Well, I'm waiting... :O

[HughJackFan420]

ok i'm thinking that the funeral in the trailer was for Jean but how can that be when Beast is there. i know they have to introduce Beast and all and by the time that happens it would have been too long from Jeans death (supposedly) till Beast. but from other sources i read it says that the death is of a new X Men in this sequel. so we shall see what happens

[Octoberist]

Well, I'm waiting... :O

:o :( ..........................:p

[YAVANNA]

i don't like cyke a bit but i'd prefer to have jean finished off instead of him (if i can get both the better)

[the_scream]

Seeker,

People, Cyke bites the bullet. He´s disintegrated by Jean. Maybe he´ll be re-integrated by the end of the film to kick Juggs´ unstoppable ass, but for a long part of the film he will be as dead as Marsden´s acting skills.

Sadly, I think you're right. I can just see it: Cyclops is grieving Jean by the lake, blasting his optic beam into the air in angony. She then appears from the lake and he is dumbfounded. She tells him to remove his glasses - believing she is powerful enough to stop the blast. She stops it and they smile and embrace but holding onto the beam causes him to turn to dust while she holds him.

Shortly after, Wolverine (looking for Cyclops) arrives and Jean levitates the glasses to Logan and explains what happened. Logan is both amazed and frightened at what occurs. She faints, and he takes her home. She then escapes and Prof X and Magneto go to her house to stop her - they know how powerful she has become. Only Magneto survives her attack because he is wearing his helmet. Prof X dies. There is a combined funeral for Scott and Charles, leaving Wolverine and Storm to lead in Jean's absence. Wolvering - once the outcast and rebel - now must take charge in the final battle against Magneto.

If anyone can come up with anything more plausible, I would really like to hear it but I think this is what will happen. :mad: :(

[xwolverine2]

as dead as Marsden´s acting skills.
:eek: .......:down

[CaptainStacy]

No.

[BBraddockLover]

Cool i was nubger 100

and......Hell Nah :down

[BBraddockLover]

Cool i was number 100

and......Hell Nah :down

[the_scream]

up!

[TheVileOne]

He shouldn't be...but he's going to.

[the_scream]

up:up:

[xwolverine2]

there should have been more options to choose from in this poll.

what if you dont want him to die PERIOD

or want him to die but as long as its done right

because who the hell REALLY wants him to die...noone!.....
i wouldnt mind him dying as long as its done for the purpose of the story.

[Asteroid-Man]

YES, Cyclops annoyes me. Way to emo. and when he is a leader he is careless.

[WorthyStevens]

No, he shouldn't die.:down

[Super Flight]

No way

[Super Flight]

YES, Cyclops annoyes me. Way to emo. and when he is a leader he is careless.

wtf? :o

[user123456789]

I vote no.

[SilentType]

If it serves the story

[PhePhe112]

i vote no!

[gap5ewl]

helllllllllllllllll noooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Mr Sensitive]

He should die.

Gracefully, like desperate true heroes die, but yes, he should.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Cyclops shouldn't die because it's not part of his character. It's like having Wolverine marry Belladonna, or Bishop using shapeshifting to stealthly infiltrate an enemy establishment.

Jean Grey is supposed to die. It is part of her character arc to die, and be reborn as the Phoenix. But it's not part of Cyclops' character to die. Yes, he's died before in the comics. Lots of characters have. But their death was never "real". They always came back. And coming back, in these films, does not fit in. With the real world setting they have, having people die off and coming back resurrected later on doesn't work. Again, it works with Jean Grey because that is a special trait of her character. And there have been a few discussions on these forums alone as to how her rebirth can be explained to fit into this story line. But the most important part is the fact that dying is part of Jean Grey's character arc. It's not a part of Cyclops' arc.

That's the difference between Obi-Won Kanobi, the example always used when people say "nobody complained when Obi-Won died"... well, Star Wars didn't have pre-existing source material that it had to stay true to... Lucas was able to do whatever he wanted to tell the story. X-Men, on the other hand, has pre-existing source material that it needs to remain true to, and killing of Cyclops is not remaining true to that source material.

So no, Cyclops should not die. Neither should Xavier. However, I don't think that Xavier's death would be quite as bad for me as Cyclops' death. Though I am totally against it, I feel that Xavier's death could be rationalized, and in the end, possibly work. Cyclops' death would ruin the movie, and consequently the franchise, for me.

[dabadguy5937]

i always thought cyclops was gangsta he's the man cause hes always so preppy and i used to hate him until i saw the movies

[Latin_Princess1]

No!!!!!!

[Nibune]

In the end of the movie, it should be Him not Storm leadin the X-men in all their glory. Cyclops needs to step up a be the leader he was born to be

[HughJackFan420]

no cyclops shouldn't die but watching the trailer i wonder if my theory is right...

i've said this many times...

cyclops mourns jean. goes to lake. finds jean. soldiers attack cyclops and jean. cyclops attacks back. jean uses her powers. powers exhuast her. jean is knocked out. they capture cyclops. jean remains at lake. xmen realize scotts been gone to long. they send wolverine on a search. wolverine finds jean at lake. brings jean back. later in the movie cyclops is rescued.

or...

cyclops is left for dead from the beginning where he goes to the lake. cyclops is never found until the end of the movie. he's found by mr. sinister. wish could be a good cliffhanger for the Age of the Apocalypse.

just a thought yall...

[CouchQuarterbck]

It would be odd seing Cyclops die...but....I could see it happening

[Mr Sensitive]

Cyclops in the comics is a mature (even if disturbed and, at times, a bit whining) leader.

That's not the case in the movies. He's no "natural born leader" in them.

[spyderman2k4]

I wish the worst fate imaginable to those who vote "yes" :mad:

[CouchQuarterbck]

I wish the worst fate imaginable to those who vote "yes" :mad:

Uh-oh....what exacty does that include?

I just think it would be interesting to see it happen....

[Mr Sensitive]

Aren't you taking it a bit too seriously, spyderman2k4?

[CouchQuarterbck]

Aren't you taking it a bit too seriously, spyderman2k4?

I hope so....I might have troube falling asleep tonight otherwise....

[Super Flight]

I wish the worst fate imaginable to those who vote "yes" :mad:

People Who Vote YES will be chased and eatin by the Giantt Killer State Puff Marshmellow man :)

[Mr Sensitive]

People Who Vote YES will be chased and eatin by the Giantt Killer State Puff Marshmellow man :)

Or maybe they'll be sentenced to watch a whole movie with James Marsden in the lead role.

[CouchQuarterbck]

Or maybe they'll be sentenced to watch a whole movie with James Marsden in the lead role.

Or worse yet, anything with Steven Segal. And on top of that, the movie's on an endless loop.

[Eros]

well if it fits the story then fine, its just a bloody movie. You guys act if "cyclops" is a real person and is dieing. How is him dieing in this movie gonna effect you at all? what kind of fictional topic would warrent such concern over things that are not really happening? What is he dieing in the comics... no, this is a movie and he still "lives" in the comics and such. i just don't get the geekish concern for a moive verion that is seperate from the "Real" cyclops in the comics. You guys need to seperate events in this movie and real life happenings.

[Mr Sensitive]

Holy crap!

[onejeremytogo]

well if it fits the story then fine, its just a bloody movie. You guys act if "cyclops" is a real person and is dieing. How is him dieing in this movie gonna effect you at all? what kind of fictional topic would warrent such concern over things that are not really happening? What is he dieing in the comics... no, this is a movie and he still "lives" in the comics and such. i just don't get the geekish concern for a moive verion that is seperate from the "Real" cyclops in the comics. You guys need to seperate events in this movie and real life happenings.Could be worse..we could need spell check. :) Anyway, it's a movie using characters we've all grown up with. Have you ever viewed a movie that made you tear up at the end when say..the lead character that you've spent 2 hours getting know died? It happens. It's kinda like that only I don't see any fans crying. LOL.

[WorthyStevens]

well if it fits the story then fine, its just a bloody movie. You guys act if "cyclops" is a real person and is dieing. How is him dieing in this movie gonna effect you at all? what kind of fictional topic would warrent such concern over things that are not really happening? What is he dieing in the comics... no, this is a movie and he still "lives" in the comics and such. i just don't get the geekish concern for a moive verion that is seperate from the "Real" cyclops in the comics. You guys need to seperate events in this movie and real life happenings.

When you see one of your favorite characters get shafted in previous installments, and a possibility of him being screwed once more (which I don't think he will), there is understandably some concern on the fan's part.

[Eros]

but still cyclops had to be "Shafted" it was a thing they had to do. Cyclops as a character is interest i guess, but his boyscout nature leaves him flat at times. im glad they "shafted" him, cause other characters like Nightcrawler can bring new things to the table. Besides he is not shafted in the comics, and maybe you should be happy with that.

Wolverine-"The bike needs gas."
cyclops-"fill her up."

i loved that exchange in X-2 its like cyclops is telling wolverine "Im not your ***** in this movie".

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Cyclops in the comics is a mature (even if disturbed and, at times, a bit whining) leader.

That's not the case in the movies. He's no "natural born leader" in them.

I disagree. I think Cyclops was portrayed as a very good leader in the X-Men movies.

Lack of screentime doesn't equal lack of quality screentime.

[neemer5]

Let's face it, in order to make it remotely believable, some main characters need to die.
If it's done well, then Cyclops would be a good choice. He may be important in the comics, but he he's been less than pivotal in the films.
I'm just concerned that his death will either be pointless, as pointed out in the script reviews, or way over-dramatized, which I think is just as bad.

[The Guard]

First, we are still not sure he actually dies, and if he does, if he remains dead.

Second, I love the word "should". As if it means a thing. According to some, in X-MEN Cyclops SHOULD have been screaming orders, mixing it up with Wolverine and blasting things, and ****ing Jean in every other scene. And in X2, Cyclops SHOULD have dominated the screentime for no other reason than "that's how it should be". And in X3, Cyclops should, I dunno, be there giving orders and blasting things for two hours. Just because that's how it is.

Should he die? It depends on the circumstances. If FOX is planning to do more with his character and this franchise, than hell no. If they are not planning to ever re-establish Cyclops as the blatant leadership figure he is in the comics to the degree that he is in the comics, him dying for the X-Men's cause in their greatest war/conflict/crisis makes a lot of sense storywise and thematically, and could create amazing drama to boot. So, if this is indeed the case, and if it serves the story, and if it's done well, then yes, he should die.

Not that the word should means a thing, mind you.

You know, someone should post a picture of his gravestone from X-MEN 3. That would at least end speculation. But that doesn't exist.

Does it?

killing off Cyclops would be suicide for any director.

Why? Especially when it creates emotion and a lot of drama, which general audiences love. And especially when the director has, in his cast of character, Charles Xavier, Wolverine, Storm, Beast, Angel, Rogue, Iceman, Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Magneto, Mystique and Juggernaut to play with, among who knows how many others.

Cyclops shouldn't die because it's not part of his character. It's like having Wolverine marry Belladonna, or Bishop using shapeshifting to stealthly infiltrate an enemy establishment.

No one's suggesting he marry someone he's never had a thing for or use powers he's never had.

Cyclops has died in the comics. His death would serve to kick of the Dark Phoenix saga. Dying or living is not a part of someone's characterization, it's part of their relation to the mythos and their character arc. And since Cyclops has both APPEARED TO DIE and actually DIED in the comics, both are part of his connection to the X-Men mythos. Then again, the comics don't have to worry about things like choosing one or two characters to focus on over the course of an entire franchise, or character commitments to other titles, or fitting ****loads of characters that fans want to see into their titles, of which they only have a finite amount. In real life, these are these kinds of concerns. Dismissing that in this argument is foolish and unrealistic.

Jean Grey is supposed to die. It is part of her character arc to die, and be reborn as the Phoenix. But it's not part of Cyclops' character to die. Yes, he's died before in the comics. Lots of characters have. But their death was never "real". They always came back. And coming back, in these films, does not fit in. With the real world setting they have, having people die off and coming back resurrected later on doesn't work.

Ok. A character dying and coming back is unbelieveable.

But a woman who can control the weather on a whim is believeable? A man who shoots tremendous energy blasts out of his eyes? A powerful telepath who can control people's minds and read their thoughts and even their memories? A man controlling magnetic fields and metal? A man with healing abilities on the level of Wolverine's? Rogue's powers? A kid who can control fire? A kid who can create ice out of nothing more than the mist in the air? A character turning into steel? A girl who can phase through things? How about a man with enormous hands and feet that is covered head to toe in blue fur, or someone covered in blue scales with a demon's appearance and a forked tail, or someone who can make copies of themselves, or shapeshift? Or someone who can run through pretty much anything and is nigh unstoppable?

It's all in the writing how believeable something is, and obviously shouldn't matter how realistic it is, because that is not a benchmark of this franchise. And I think if Cyclops does die, and he is ressurrected, and it is explained somehow, in the context of the universe and characters that have been created/adapted for it, it will work as well as anything else in the X-Men franchise has.

Again, it works with Jean Grey because that is a special trait of her character.

Then have her bring Cyclops back. Or bring in a character in future films whose trait is to ressurrect the dead. Or to clone them. Or maybe he never actually died. There are all kinds of ways to go with this.

And there have been a few discussions on these forums alone as to how her rebirth can be explained to fit into this story line. But the most important part is the fact that dying is part of Jean Grey's character arc. It's not a part of Cyclops' arc.

It very well could be made a part of it in this franchise without missing a beat. Cyclops could very well be the loyal soldier who sacrifices his life for some cause.

That's the difference between Obi-Won Kanobi, the example always used when people say "nobody complained when Obi-Won died"... well, Star Wars didn't have pre-existing source material that it had to stay true to... Lucas was able to do whatever he wanted to tell the story. X-Men, on the other hand, has pre-existing source material that it needs to remain true to, and killing of Cyclops is not remaining true to that source material.

If killing him off is not remaining true to the source material, then what about when he dies in that source material?

So no, Cyclops should not die. Neither should Xavier. However, I don't think that Xavier's death would be quite as bad for me as Cyclops' death. Though I am totally against it, I feel that Xavier's death could be rationalized, and in the end, possibly work. Cyclops' death would ruin the movie, and consequently the franchise, for me.

Why would Cyclops death ruin the movie if Xavier's doesn't?

I disagree. I think Cyclops was portrayed as a very good leader in the X-Men movies.

Lack of screentime doesn't equal lack of quality screentime.

Agreed. Nor does a death negate a quality character portrayal.

[JanG]

Cyclops should be killed off in the most gruesome, random, petty way possible. It should be quick and unexpected, and undeserved.

...that ****er should die.

[WalkingDead]

If it serves the story kill him off. If it serves the story kill Iceman, Pyro, and Rogue off too. If it's rational and works to give good drama, acting, and writing...then deaths can be totally worth it. Kill off Colossus, Cyclops, Wolverine, and Magneto if it works and isn't pointless and they have some good screentime used before it happens.

If it serves to make a good story, then yes...kill Cyke. If it's just a pointless death, to get rid of the character for whatever reason...no, don't kill him.

Colossus is my favorite X-Man...but if he got 5-6 really well-written and well-acted scenes and then died a good dramatic death, I'd be fine with that.
Now, if he got punked and killed without any thought put into it or wasn't used for anything but a single death scene, and since he hasn't had any character development in the films...of course then I'd be pissed. But as long as he gets some good scenes that show his character and then he dies in a good way, I'm fine with it...I can live with it and possibly love it.

[XCharlieX]

Ok. A character dying and coming back is unbelieveable.

But a woman who can control the weather on a whim is believeable? A man who shoots tremendous energy blasts out of his eyes? A powerful telepath who can control people's minds and read their thoughts and even their memories? A man controlling magnetic fields and metal? A man with healing abilities on the level of Wolverine's? Rogue's powers? A kid who can control fire? A kid who can create ice out of nothing more than the mist in the air? A character turning into steel? A girl who can phase through things? How about a man with enormous hands and feet that is covered head to toe in blue fur, or someone covered in blue scales with a demon's appearance and a forked tail, or someone who can make copies of themselves, or shapeshift? Or someone who can run through pretty much anything and is nigh unstoppable?

It's all in the writing how believeable something is, and obviously shouldn't matter how realistic it is, because that is not a benchmark of this franchise. And I think if Cyclops does die, and he is ressurrected, and it is explained somehow, in the context of the universe and characters that have been created/adapted for it, it will work as well as anything else in the X-Men franchise has.

I agreed with your post until i got to this. In order to make the established style that Singer has made for the movies, a writer must always know when to draw lines in the sand when it comes to fiction... its just instinct and yes its a hair away in some folks minds from pure fiction but thats where the brilliance is. I think to understand this balance one must observe the surreal things people believe in real life. Ok they have powers fine... but the movies never said they were immortal. These are in fact mortals and the movies are written so far to relate more to the human aspect of them, a form of realism within the fiction. So if youre trying to make a movie about regular people that happen to have extraordinary powers, you must usually make them ultimately susceptible to some aspects of reality, hence death and not coming back... of course if you want to use 1 character and make it plausible enough to come back (like phoenix taking care of jeans body) thats ok imo, just dont overdo it.

[KingOfDreams]

I would prefer it if he isn't killed off but this is the last X-Men movie right? So ultimately it doesn't matter.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I agreed with your post until i got to this. In order to make the established style that Singer has made for the movies, a writer must always know when to draw lines in the sand when it comes to fiction... its just instinct and yes its a hair away in some folks minds from pure fiction but thats where the brilliance is. I think to understand this balance one must observe the surreal things people believe in real life. Ok they have powers fine... but the movies never said they were immortal. These are in fact mortals and the movies are written so far to relate more to the human aspect of them, a form of realism within the fiction. So if youre trying to make a movie about regular people that happen to have extraordinary powers, you must usually make them ultimately susceptible to some aspects of reality, hence death and not coming back... of course if you want to use 1 character and make it plausible enough to come back (like phoenix taking care of jeans body) thats ok imo, just dont overdo it.

Exactly.

Whether it's something that could realistically happen or not, there is a scientific explanation for all of those powers... evolution.

And part of Jean Grey's story is to die and come back as the Phoenix. Obviously, the movies aren't going to be exactly like the comics, so how that happens is open to interpretation and adaptation. But it will be explained why she was able to stay alive, probably due to her powers.

If Cyclops dies off, and she just brings him back... or he just resurrects in some other way... it will cross those lines. Yes, this movie is unrealistic in terms of people with exceptional powers, Cerebro, Danger Room, and all of that. But there is still a basis in reality. And "appeared to be dead", or "ressurected at the end of the movie" will be really cheesy in this realism based movie.

It very well could be made a part of it in this franchise without missing a beat.

Okay, so would you have killed off Aragorn in Return of the King, just because it could have been done without missing a beat? And a noble and heroic death from Aragorn could have added a very powerful element of drama to the movie? No. Why? Because of the source material behind it.

I understand that comics and novels have to be adapted to movies differently, I've been a major proponent of that (as to why the X-Men movies shouldn't go on past 3, for example). But you still have to remain loyal to the basics of the source material. And that is that Cyclops doesn't die. Nor does Xavier. And Xavier dying would probably borderline ruin the movie for me as well. The reason why I could see it working out better than Cyclops (though still something I am totally against) is the whole MLK, die for your cause bit. However, that's not to say that I think Xavier should die. I don't think he should.

[The Guard]

I agreed with your post until i got to this. In order to make the established style that Singer has made for the movies, a writer must always know when to draw lines in the sand when it comes to fiction... its just instinct and yes its a hair away in some folks minds from pure fiction but thats where the brilliance is.

That door swings both ways, then. For instance, to have a realistic conflict/war...someone likely has to die/suffer.

I think to understand this balance one must observe the surreal things people believe in real life. Ok they have powers fine...

Such as that generally people do not control magnetic waves, nor would any mutation likely create this abnormality?

I love how you just skip over this little detail, as if having powers doesn't require a HUGE suspension of disbelief. "Ok, I'll buy that this man can shoot beams of energy out of his eyes that are strong enough to punch through doors. I'll buy that this woman can create a tornado out of nothing".

"But hell no a mutant with the power to bring someone back to life or clone them couldn't do so!"

but the movies never said they were immortal.

They also never said they weren't mortal. Again. The door swings both ways.

Whether it's something that could realistically happen or not, there is a scientific explanation for all of those powers... evolution.
I realize that, but that, frankly, is an absurd concept in itself. People would evolve the ability to shoot blasts of energy from their eyes? Nevermind how that is PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE. ANY of the X-Men's powers falls apart under careful scrutiny. It's FANTASY. Yes, it's sci-fi fantasy, but it's fantasy, nontheless.

And part of Jean Grey's story is to die and come back as the Phoenix. Obviously, the movies aren't going to be exactly like the comics, so how that happens is open to interpretation and adaptation. But it will be explained why she was able to stay alive, probably due to her powers.

And it will likely, scientifically and realistically be pretty damn hard to swallow, and bank on "this is what happened, it's an absurd, far-out concept, but please believe it in the context of this ridiculous mythos because our story hinges on it".

If Cyclops dies off, and she just brings him back... or he just resurrects in some other way... it will cross those lines.

I don't think he's likely to "just ressurrect some other way". She brought herself back...why couldn't she concievably bring him back, too?

Yes, this movie is unrealistic in terms of people with exceptional powers, Cerebro, Danger Room, and all of that. But there is still a basis in reality. And "appeared to be dead", or "ressurected at the end of the movie" will be really cheesy in this realism based movie.

A lot of things should be really cheesy. They haven't been played that way. Why should this be any different?

Okay, so would you have killed off Aragorn in Return of the King, just because it could have been done without missing a beat?

Would I have? No. But could it have been done, and worked? Absolutely. I didn't say it was faithful. I said it can work. Aragorn showed up in seven books, I believe, over the entire course of his existence in Tolkien's world. And he was not immortal. At some point there could EASILY have been a story where he died (wait...wait...there WAS). And him dying, while not as satisfactory as the ending where he becomes a benevolent king, could also work quite well.

And a noble and heroic death from Aragorn could have added a very powerful element of drama to the movie? No. Why? Because of the source material behind it.

**** yes a noble and heroic death could have added a powerful element of drama to the movie. Would it have pissed off fans? Probably. But it could have worked.

But it's not the same as the Cyclops situation for a number of reasons, and while I appreciate the point you're trying to make, I think you know that. LORD OF THE RINGS is six books. And a movie series trilogy and a very faithful and near-direct adaption that put Viggo Mortenson's Aragorn at the CENTER or FRONT of things to begin with and kept him there, with a complete storyline about how he was to become the king. On the other hand, the X-Men mythos is comprised of god knows how many storylines, the film mythos is not a direct adaption of the comics on pretty much any level, and to date, through two films, Cyclops has not been given that kind of importance in this franchise. So, thematically and storywise, killing him in the middle of the storyline is not going to have the same impact killing Aragorn in the middle of the storyline would have had (although it might have as large an impact because of Jean). Because of the treatment of Cyclops's character, there are no definitive guidelines as to what HAS to happen to him in the movie X-mythos with Cyclops at this point. Would audiences like to see him survive and succeed and live happily ever after? Probably, but these don't strike me as happily-ever-after movies.

And again, we are not sure he will die.

I understand that comics and novels have to be adapted to movies differently, I've been a major proponent of that (as to why the X-Men movies shouldn't go on past 3, for example). But you still have to remain loyal to the basics of the source material.

They have remained loyal to the source material, for the most part (though there have been some huge deviations). But show me where in the X-Men comics it is written that Cyclops cannot die. Just because he does not usually die in most of the issues ever written does not mean it is something that could not be explored to great effect.

And that is that Cyclops doesn't die.

Then why has he died before in the comics?

Nor does Xavier.

Sure he does. He also gets kidnapped, and brainwashed, and even turns evil from time to time. I'm pretty sure some of the most powerful storylines in the X-Men comics involve Xavier's death/disappearance/corruption. A trend that has carried over to the films, oddly enough.

And that is that Cyclops doesn't die.

Ah, but he has died before. Cyclops doesn't get taken out of action and turned against his teammates either, yet that happened in X2. So it's not like the films have been completely faithful to the character's absolute relationship with the mythos to begin with. People's inabilities to see the X-Men comics and the X-Men movies as seperate entities continues to baffle me.

Nor does Xavier. And Xavier dying would probably borderline ruin the movie for me as well. The reason why I could see it working out better than Cyclops (though still something I am totally against) is the whole MLK, die for your cause bit. However, that's not to say that I think Xavier should die. I don't think he should.

Fair enough. Does that mean it couldn't work? You seem to not think he should die because the average X-Men storyline or the major storylines don't kill them off. Have you read the comic storylines where Xavier and Cyclops die?

[XCharlieX]

Such as that generally people do not control magnetic waves, nor would any mutation likely create this abnormality?

I love how you just skip over this little detail, as if having powers doesn't require a HUGE suspension of disbelief. "Ok, I'll buy that this man can shoot beams of energy out of his eyes that are strong enough to punch through doors. I'll buy that this woman can create a tornado out of nothing".

Of course i skip over it.. thats how you make the illusion. There are folks that believe in some amazing things in real life, and to them its by no means illogical or such... there are directors who take advantage of this type of thinking. They have an explanation for it to boot also. But psychics for instance... psychics can die in real life. No one said theyd be back.

Perhaps this has also to do with someone thats a strong believer of science and nothing else, and with those types supernatural elements are just nonsense anyway. Its all or nothing... if theres fiction.. drown it in fiction. With this plot, evolution was always in conjunction with the supernatural.


They also never said they weren't mortal. Again. The door swings both ways.p

Sure, but the problem is this type of revolving door stuff is what Joel Schumacher did for his batman films.. he took the other side of logic there and look at what a work of art those were. Some just prefer otherwise.

Its not something really tangible... its an instinct. You either have it or dont.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't think he's likely to "just ressurrect some other way". She brought herself back...why couldn't she concievably bring him back, too?

Probably because it's likely to be explained that it was her powers that kept her alive, not truly a resurrection.

A very common speculation (and yes, I realize that's just speculation, nothing official) that seems very plausible to be used, is that Xavier put mental blocks in Jean to keep her from reaching her true potential. Magneto's machine in X-Men broke those mental blocks when it swept over her, which is why her powers were becoming stronger and stronger throughout X2, until the point when she did what she did at the end. And that her fully evolved powers actually protected her at the bottom of Alkali Lake. Should that be the route they take, I'd find it hard to believe that she has the powers to bring someone back from the dead.

A lot of things should be really cheesy. They haven't been played that way. Why should this be any different?[/quote[

Because I don't think that there's much in the X-Men movies that should have been cheesy that wasn't. These movies have been made with a very serious tone to them.

[quote=The Guard]Would I have? No. But could it have been done, and worked? Absolutely. I didn't say it was faithful. I said it can work. Aragorn showed up in seven books, I believe, over the entire course of his existence in Tolkien's world. And he was not immortal. At some point there could EASILY have been a story where he died (wait...wait...there WAS). And him dying, while not as satisfactory as the ending where he becomes a benevolent king, could also work quite well.

And faithful is my whole point. You don't deviate that far off from a character, especially one as big time as Aragorn or Cyclops. Granted, Cyclops in the X-Men movies isn't as important as Aragorn in the Lord of the Rings movies, but he's definatley a lot more important than these fanboys around here are giving Singer credit for.

**** yes a noble and heroic death could have added a powerful element of drama to the movie. Would it have pissed off fans? Probably. But it could have worked.

It would have pissed off fans, because it's not true to the source material. Which is why it's pissing fans off that Cyclops could die. At least this fan. I know that the movies aren't going to be totally true adaptations of the source material. But I ask at least that they keep the characters accurate. Killing off Cyclops is not remaining accurate to his story.

But it's not the same as the Cyclops situation for a number of reasons, and while I appreciate the point you're trying to make, I think you know that. LORD OF THE RINGS is six books. And a movie series trilogy and a very faithful and near-direct adaption that put Viggo Mortenson's Aragorn at the CENTER or FRONT of things to begin with and kept him there, with a complete storyline about how he was to become the king. On the other hand, the X-Men mythos is comprised of god knows how many storylines, the film mythos is not a direct adaption of the comics on pretty much any level, and to date, through two films, Cyclops has not been given that kind of importance in this franchise. So, thematically and storywise, killing him in the middle of the storyline is not going to have the same impact killing Aragorn in the middle of the storyline would have had (although it might have as large an impact because of Jean). Because of the treatment of Cyclops's character, there are no definitive guidelines as to what HAS to happen to him in the movie X-mythos with Cyclops at this point. Would audiences like to see him survive and succeed and live happily ever after? Probably, but these don't strike me as happily-ever-after movies.

I understand that point, as I have been a major proponent of that as to why the movies do have to make certain changes from the comics to films. However, I think that you should remain true to the characters, something that Singer did very well (save for about 3 characters in my opinion).

And again, we are not sure he will die.

I honestly don't think he will. I'm only giving my view on what I think of the situation.

They have remained loyal to the source material, for the most part (though there have been some huge deviations). But show me where in the X-Men comics it is written that Cyclops cannot die. Just because he does not usually die in most of the issues ever written does not mean it is something that could not be explored to great effect.

The fact that Cyclops isn't dead. Just like above, you and I agree that everything from the comics can't translate to the movies. I think one of those things is "is he or isn't he" situations regarding a character's death, or the resurrection of a character who died. I don't think those things will work in the movies as they've been established. And the fact that Cyclops is not dead is a testiment to the fact that Cyclops isn't supposed to die. If he was meant to die, he'd be dead.

Then why has he died before in the comics?

Because they bring him back later. And you suspend even more belief with comics than you do with movies. They can get away with that really fantastical stuff that movies can't get away with.

Sure he does. He also gets kidnapped, and brainwashed, and even turns evil from time to time. I'm pretty sure some of the most powerful storylines in the X-Men comics involve Xavier's death/disappearance/corruption. A trend that has carried over to the films, oddly enough.

Same as above with Cyclops.

Ah, but he has died before. Cyclops doesn't get taken out of action and turned against his teammates either, yet that happened in X2. So it's not like the films have been completely faithful to the character's absolute relationship with the mythos to begin with. People's inabilities to see the X-Men comics and the X-Men movies as seperate entities continues to baffle me.

You know damn well that's totally different. Those are events over the course of a story line that the character goes through, not the character arc itself. Cyclops didn't turn against his teammates. He was brainwashed. Mind controlled. And you and I both agree on the difference between comics and movies, therefore the movies have different stories that they are telling with the same characters. I don't think there was ever an Alkali Lake in the comics either, but there it is in the movies. And I don't recall Jean being at the bottom of it in the comics, but there it is. It's an adaptation of these characters. But I don't see Cyclops dying in the movies as being loyal to the source material.

Fair enough. Does that mean it couldn't work? You seem to not think he should die because the average X-Men storyline or the major storylines don't kill them off. Have you read the comic storylines where Xavier and Cyclops die?

No, but like you said before, movies and comics are different. Dying in comics doesn't mean it will work in the films.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Sure, but the problem is this type of revolving door stuff is what Joel Schumacher did for his batman films.. he took the other side of logic there and look at what a work of art those were. Some just prefer otherwise.

Its not something really tangible... its an instinct. You either have it or dont.

:up: :up: :up: :up:

[XCharlieX]

Yes Nell, ive noticed you and I agree on a bit of things while i was a lurker. Im not against cyclops dying tho... but i think if theyre gonna do it, dont bring him back. Id rather in that case them not end a character in the first place.

But what can i say.. if someone is just hearing contradictions when the "realistic" style is explained, they probably like the Superman/Star Wars/Batman Forever style of fiction, and theres nothing wrong with that. I just feel if you start a franchise one way, finish it that way. Singer will clearly state on the x men 1.5 and x2 dvds he set out to make a realistic take on the material.

[Iceman/Psylocke]

No - if only because he's crucial to the future of X-Men films

Cyclop's death might, if done amazingly well, improve X3 but it will be a nail in the coffin for the future

[Mr Sensitive]

I disagree. I think Cyclops was portrayed as a very good leader in the X-Men movies.

Lack of screentime doesn't equal lack of quality screentime.


Two of your reading confusions:

1) Cyclops wasn't even a "leader in these movies". The leader was always Xavier, and, at turns, Wolverine and Storm.

2) There was no implication of lack of screentime x quality screentime in what I said. I didn't question quality, but the nature of the character in both media.

[Electrix]

Wherever the story takes him. If he needs to be killed then so be it.

[The Batman]

Cyclops never died in the comics. he was, however, merged with apocolypse at one point.

[gkokujin]

why not, he doesnt help any of the movies progress any.

[X-Maniac]

I think those who want him to live have made their point now, over and over. Neurosis lives. In this thread at least.

On May 26, people will find out if their nervous breakdowns and valium prescriptions have been worth it, if they haven't already committed suicide.

[The Infernal]

Nope. I mean Jean in the comics and Scott in the movies. That would just tick me off. Plus there is so much that can be done with the character that they haven't so far. He's one of the more underused characters and yet he has potential all of his own and not through someone else's storyline.

[DACrowe]

No they shouldn't.

Will they?

Most likely. ****ers. They **** on the comics. Oh well, maybe the movie will still be enjoyable though. However it is not fair they kill him off and Halle Berry gets to live and have more screen time. Alas.

[Electrix]

People confuse Storm with Halle Berry.

[CapBeerCino]

What raised this thread back from the dead? I remember voting on this poll years ago...

[*xmenfan*]

YES never liked cyclops!!! :down

[MJB]

Seeker,

People, Cyke bites the bullet. He´s disintegrated by Jean. Maybe he´ll be re-integrated by the end of the film to kick Juggs´ unstoppable ass, but for a long part of the film he will be as dead as Marsden´s acting skills.

Sadly, I think you're right. I can just see it: Cyclops is grieving Jean by the lake, blasting his optic beam into the air in angony. She then appears from the lake and he is dumbfounded. She tells him to remove his glasses - believing she is powerful enough to stop the blast. She stops it and they smile and embrace but holding onto the beam causes him to turn to dust while she holds him.

Shortly after, Wolverine (looking for Cyclops) arrives and Jean levitates the glasses to Logan and explains what happened. Logan is both amazed and frightened at what occurs. She faints, and he takes her home. She then escapes and Prof X and Magneto go to her house to stop her - they know how powerful she has become. Only Magneto survives her attack because he is wearing his helmet. Prof X dies. There is a combined funeral for Scott and Charles, leaving Wolverine and Storm to lead in Jean's absence. Wolvering - once the outcast and rebel - now must take charge in the final battle against Magneto.

If anyone can come up with anything more plausible, I would really like to hear it but I think this is what will happen. :mad: :(

Damn it may or may not go down exactly like that, but i think you're dead on.

[the_scream]

Yep. They're the "two significant deaths" Patrick Stewart is talking about. If it does happen like that, I think they should be prepared for a massive fan backlash. As I've said before, some people may not care for Cyclops or Marsden and even Xavier but most agree they need to be main characters in an X-Men film.

The only faith I have is that Simon, Zak and Ratner as supposed to be big fans of the comic so they may pull a rabbit out of a hat. However, I am willing to assume that they were painted into a corner when Vaughn left and had to hang on to the outline of a very shaky script. I wish they'd just delayed the film for 6 months and started the script again.

[Douces]

most agree they need to be main characters in an X-Men film

I doubt that the average moviegoer cares whether Cyclops lives or dies. I've never read an X-men comic, and I have to say, I'll be fine if he dies in a way that is relevant to the story.

[The Original Bamfer]

Meh... I want him to be alive at the beginning and at the end... just to parallel the comic-universe. I would really like him to be heavily involved as the Phoenix storyline was once an allowance for Cyclops to be a good character - to show emotion. If only they could duplicate that.

[TheVileOne]

Well that ain't happening. He's worm food. Its Storm and Wolverine's show now.

[The Original Bamfer]

Can I call you Mr. Ratner? You seem to direct the movie.

[TheVileOne]

Hey, look at that new Halle Berry interview thread. Ratner and Arad aren't exactly keeping this a secret you know.

[The Original Bamfer]

But its important that you don't seal concrete behind shaky rumors. I know not to take you as seriously as you come off, but others may not.

[TheVileOne]

Whether he dies or not, he's a complete and total non-factor in this movie.

[Kurosawa]

My opinion is well known. Absolutely not under any circumstances.

[The Original Bamfer]

Most likely (Which sucks to no extent) - but its still up in the air [with us] whether he really bites the dust.

[TheVileOne]

Most likely (Which sucks to no extent) - but its still up in the air [with us] whether he really bites the dust.

You mean with you. But deep down, you know the truth, even if you won't admit it to yourself.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Two of your reading confusions:

1) Cyclops wasn't even a "leader in these movies". The leader was always Xavier, and, at turns, Wolverine and Storm.

2) There was no implication of lack of screentime x quality screentime in what I said. I didn't question quality, but the nature of the character in both media.

Wolverine was never a leader in the movies, whereas Cyclops was very much of one. I think you need to go back and watch the movies again if you honestly think that.

[Iceman/Psylocke]

Wolverine was never a leader in the movies, whereas Cyclops was very much of one. I think you need to go back and watch the movies again if you honestly think that.

True

WOlverine & Storm might become leaders in X3 but Cyke was the only No.1 in 1 & 2

[Mr Sensitive]

Wolverine was never a leader in the movies, whereas Cyclops was very much of one. I think you need to go back and watch the movies again if you honestly think that.

That's quite funny, you know? It was my very suggestion for you.

But this time don't just watch it: think a little about what you're actually seeing.

["Iron Man"]

You guys, we know that he IS GOING TO DIE! Watch the trailer. He can't take off his glasses without all of his eye energy coming out and dieing, and he throws off his glasses in the trailer, letting out all of his energy, which in turn will most likely kill him. No, it HAS to kill him. And vesides, the screenwriters know what they're doing. They won't let us down.

[chaseter]

We already know Ratner makes Storm one of the pivotal roles in X3. If the so called leader, Cyclops, is dead, what better way to give Halle a larger role for the film so she will quit her crying.

[CouchQuarterbck]

We already know Ratner makes Storm one of the pivotal roles in X3. If the so called leader, Cyclops, is dead, what better way to give Halle a larger role for the film so she will quit her crying.

It's too bad movies like this have to turn political...but, that's the way it is, I guess.

[Logan Howlett]

Kill Him! Logan Get The Girl! Kill Him Now! Ill Help!

[chaseter]

The way Ratner made it sound in his interview was that he was in love with her. He constantly talked about her character and said she was "so beautiful to photograph." I think they hooked it up and she got herself a larger role.

[X-Maniac]

The way Ratner made it sound in his interview was that he was in love with her. He constantly talked about her character and said she was "so beautiful to photograph." I think they hooked it up and she got herself a larger role.

I'm sure you will agree that stupidity doesn't look good on anyone. So please stop basking in it as though it is a good thing. Being as stupid as you are isn't a pretty sight.

[The Batman]

Wow. You guys are getting really pathetic...

[Logan Howlett]

Kill Scott Now! Have Every Mutant Team Up At Once And Tear Him Limb From Limb! I Will Help!

[The Batman]

hey, look.....its the guy who knows nothing about X-Men comics except for wolverine...and even then, he dosent know much comic details.

[WorthyStevens]

Kill Scott Now! Have Every Mutant Team Up At Once And Tear Him Limb From Limb! I Will Help!

Dude. No. Just no.

[Logan Howlett]

He look its a guy who has mastered the talent of speaking through his brown eye, and making asumptions about people based on thier character choices in RPG threads or avatars. Dude yur just pissed cause I have told it like it is in so many threads. Scotts a tool from start to finish, thats always been his purpose in the comics, and seeing as how I have been a devoted X-men fan practicaly since birth and read damn near everything there is to read on the subject, I think im pretty well informed.

[The Batman]

He look its a guy who has mastered the talent of speaking through his brown eye, and making asumptions about people based on thier character choices in RPG threads or avatars. Dude yur just pissed cause I have told it like it is in so many threads. Scotts a tool from start to finish, thats always been his purpose in the comics, and seeing as how I have been a devoted X-men fan practicaly since birth and read damn near everything there is to read on the subject, I think im pretty well informed.

I could care less if you think cyke's a tool...but your reasonings so full of trash, you post statements about scott that are wildly untrue, and post statements dripping with heavy bias towards wolverine.

[WorthyStevens]

He look its a guy who has mastered the talent of speaking through his brown eye, and making asumptions about people based on thier character choices in RPG threads or avatars. Dude yur just pissed cause I have told it like it is in so many threads. Scotts a tool from start to finish, thats always been his purpose in the comics, and seeing as how I have been a devoted X-men fan practicaly since birth and read damn near everything there is to read on the subject, I think im pretty well informed.

Little sour that your guy, Logan, got his ass handed to him in the comics by Slim?

I'd much rather have Scott on my team than Wolverine any day.

:cool:

[Logan Howlett]

Oh come on this is just classic fan boy bias bull****! You all got yourself addicted to that dick of a boyscout when you were kids and now that you realize hes a tool, you constantly try to cover up for him and make excuses. Logans an ass, this is true, but he admits it, and still has never betrayed the people he cares about, like Scott cheating on Jean several times. Hell Logan hasnt even had a relationship for years cuz he was in Love with Jean, now thats devotion.

[The Batman]

Oh come on this is just classic fan boy bias bull****! You all got yourself addicted to that dick of a boyscout when you were kids and now that you realize hes a tool, you constantly try to cover up for him and make excuses. Logans an ass, this is true, but he admits it, and still has never betrayed the people he cares about, like Scott cheating on Jean several times. Hell Logan hasnt even had a relationship for years cuz he was in Love with Jean, now thats devotion.

What a Fool Believes, He Sees
No wise Man has the power
To reason away
What Seems To be
Is always better than nothing
Than Nothing at all....

[Logan Howlett]

So instead of any REAL attempt to disprove what I said you quote poetry? WOW, ok didnt think you were that easy. LOL, should have figured, same type of diversionary tactic good ol one eye would have used. LOL.

[WorthyStevens]

Oh come on this is just classic fan boy bias bull****! You all got yourself addicted to that dick of a boyscout when you were kids and now that you realize hes a tool, you constantly try to cover up for him and make excuses. Logans an ass, this is true, but he admits it, and still has never betrayed the people he cares about, like Scott cheating on Jean several times. Hell Logan hasnt even had a relationship for years cuz he was in Love with Jean, now that devotion.

Get up on your history of Scott. Honestly.

Scott is the one of the most tactical, if not the most tactical, characters in the X-Universe.

Funny you mentioned I'm biased.

[The Batman]

It's not poetry....

Any music buff knows where that comes from...I just found that those lyrics fit you perfectly. You're too much of a joke to argue with seriously

[Torch'sGurl]

Yes, knock him off.

[Logan Howlett]

Realy, the joke part being that I actualy gave a specific reason as to why I have the views that I do? Wow......I must be the funniest guy on the planet. You call me a joke? HA! Man why dont you go slip into your cyclops underoos, grab a few cyclops action figures, put on the visor your mom got you for halloween, and watch the old 90's animated series to stay in your little cyclops bubble paradise.

[WorthyStevens]

Man why dont you go slip into your cyclops underoos, grab a few cyclops action figures, put on the visor your mom got you for halloween, and watch the old 90's animated series to stay in your little cyclops bubble paradise.

Maybe once you put on your Wolverine mask, put on yellow spandex, slip on your fake Wolverine claws and start stalking red-headed girls named Jean, I'll comply with your above request.

[Logan Howlett]

Only when Im done with my wolverine brand cereal :)

[batman44]

How about.....NO!!

[WorthyStevens]

Only when Im done with my wolverine brand cereal :)

But of course.

[the Firestarter]

a resounding "no".

[chaseter]

I'm sure you will agree that stupidity doesn't look good on anyone. So please stop basking in it as though it is a good thing. Being as stupid as you are isn't a pretty sight.

What are you trying to say?

[Eros]

maybe cyclops falls into the lake and dies, woverine finds his shades and wonders what happened to old slim. wolverine then proceeds in finding Jeans body, and then at the end of the movie he and her get married with the ghost of cyclops smileing over them during the wedding. It ends with all the x-men at the wedding smileing, and cyclops then diappears into boyscout heaven.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That's quite funny, you know? It was my very suggestion for you.

But this time don't just watch it: think a little about what you're actually seeing.

Okay, why don't you just go ahead and tell me where exactly Wolverine was the leader of these films...

I didn't know the leader ran off from the rest of his team, without so much of a word, to go pursue his own personal vendetta over that of the team objective...

There is so much in the way of Cyclops being the leader, not Wolverine, in these movies, that anyone who thinks otherwise is just looking for something else to ***** about, because they are mad that Wolverine was the main character in these movies.

[Spidey 2007]

maybe cyclops falls into the lake and dies, woverine finds his shades and wonders what happened to old slim. wolverine then proceeds in finding Jeans body, and then at the end of the movie he and her get married with the ghost of cyclops smileing over them during the wedding. It ends with all the x-men at the wedding smileing, and cyclops then diappears into boyscout heaven.

thatd be super cheesy lol


the past 2 x-men movies made me cry at the end and with an ending like that id be crying from laughing too hard.

[Hellrider]

NO WAY ... Cyclops is too important to the x-men. I dont like him, infact he is my least favourite x-men but I think he should definitely not be killed off.

[WalkingDead]

Should any X-Man die?
Sure...if it fits the story and comes as a dramatic and well-developed event. Every character can die. It's not like it is impossible. None of them are truly immortal. As long as their deaths are served with dignity and help to keep the characters as they have been...in other words as long as there isn't some huge change in character just to kill them off.

Problem is Cyclops fans haven't gotten their favorite character in a large role that takes up 30%+ of the screentime like Wolverine fans have gotten.

The only major thing they've gotten was in X1...in which Cyclops had very good characterization -- He showed his love of Jean multiple times, he showed he loved Xavier like a father and wanted to be there even after Prof. X is gone, he lead the team and came up with the plan of engagement at Liberty Island, he figured out why Magneto wanted Rogue before everyone else, he showed he was a teacher/mentor to students, and he showed his angst and annoyance towards Logan. All wrapped up well in a small amount of time.

I feel for the big-time Cyclops fans, cause it seems Cyke is getting the "X2 Treatment" or worse. But he has been in both films and was a fairly big size to X1. Not saying you should be grateful for that, but that at least he did get some treatment besides a cameo.

[GothicPowerMix1]

NO WAY ... Cyclops is too important to the x-men. I dont like him, infact he is my least favourite x-men but I think he should definitely not be killed off.

FIGHT THE POWER !!!!!

Viva La Resistance

[CeeJay]

Should any X-Man die?
Sure...if it fits the story and comes as a dramatic and well-developed event. Every character can die. It's not like it is impossible. None of them are truly immortal. As long as their deaths are served with dignity and help to keep the characters as they have been...in other words as long as there isn't some huge change in character just to kill them off.

Problem is Cyclops fans haven't gotten their favorite character in a large role that takes up 30%+ of the screentime like Wolverine fans have gotten.

The only major thing they've gotten was in X1...in which Cyclops had very good characterization -- He showed his love of Jean multiple times, he showed he loved Xavier like a father and wanted to be there even after Prof. X is gone, he lead the team and came up with the plan of engagement at Liberty Island, he figured out why Magneto wanted Rogue before everyone else, he showed he was a teacher/mentor to students, and he showed his angst and annoyance towards Logan. All wrapped up well in a small amount of time.

I feel for the big-time Cyclops fans, cause it seems Cyke is getting the "X2 Treatment" or worse. But he has been in both films and was a fairly big size to X1. Not saying you should be grateful for that, but that at least he did get some treatment besides a cameo.

I like where you're coming from with this post.

It's true, anything in CONTEXT will work.

You people worry too much.

[PWN3R]

Read Astonishing X-men #8. That will give you the answer on whether not he should die or not...

Wolverine, "Every now and then Summers...I remember why you're still in charge."

:up:

[DarknessOfDeath]

I voted for no... he's not bad of a character.

[CouchQuarterbck]

Maybe the question should read like this:

If one of the X-Men had to die, and it had to be someone that could be considered a main character, then would it be okay if Cykes died? I think yes, and it would prove the leader in him if it was done the right way....

[Kurosawa]

But the problem is they're not doing it in the right way.

Don't get me wrong-I'm 100% against it no matter how it's done. But if he was actually given a death that was worthy, then I'd be less disgusted anyway.

[Supreme Power]

But the problem is they're not doing it in the right way.

Don't get me wrong-I'm 100% against it no matter how it's done. But if he was actually given a death that was worthy, then I'd be less disgusted anyway.

How do you know. We simply don't know yet.

[PWN3R]

But the problem is they're not doing it in the right way.

Don't get me wrong-I'm 100% against it no matter how it's done. But if he was actually given a death that was worthy, then I'd be less disgusted anyway.

....if your so hell bent on NOT seeing the movie...then why waste so much time on the movie's boards? :confused:

You know that you will see this movie, don't lie.

[Kirby&Ditko]

It will be a shame if he does die in X3. He was always overshadowed by Wolverine in the movies, NEVER living up to his potential. He was such a major player in the comics, it is wrong to toss him away without giving him his due.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Should any X-Man die?

No...

:(

[WalkingDead]

No...

:(

Oh come on Nell...

Characters die, are replaced, go on hiatus all the time...just cause it's X-Men doesn't mean that it shouldn't happen.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Oh come on Nell...

Characters die, are replaced, go on hiatus all the time...just cause it's X-Men doesn't mean that it shouldn't happen.

I've said my piece on this topic earlier in this thread. I don't think they should die, because it's not part of their characterization. And I don't think it's an accurate or appropriate adaptation of these characters to kill them off. That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it.

[the_scream]

I would like to see Cyclops live for many reasons NOT just because I happen to like his character. My favourite character is Gambit but I'm not annoyed he isn't in X3 because I don't think he is essential for an X-Men movie (much like Kitty, Colussus, Mystique and even Magneto) Although, I'd love to see them all included. Here are some reasons why he SHOULD live:

1. For the leader, we barely saw him truly lead. Sure, he was in charge but he didn't get to assert himself.

2. We've hardly seen him demonstrate his true power. Cyclops has the ability to wipe out most of the mutants with his blast set on full. I really want to see his powers up against a character like Juggernaught.

3. Other characters are better when he's around. For instance, he makes Logan stand out as the rough around the edges bad boy.

4. We haven't really got into his back story which is amongst the more interesting. Nor, have we ever got to see how difficult his life is with the visor/glasses always on his face. I think his character has great potential. A shame that Iceman, Wolverine and Nightcrawler all had good backgrounds to their characters. Cyclops just seems like he is in the films to be a thorn in Wolverine's side.

5. We've never got to see all the original team fighting side by side. Would be great to see a final battle with Iceman, Cyclops, Jean, Beast and Angel all working together. THAT would be more interesting to me than seeing Wolverine stab a few more bad guys or watching Storm make it windy for a few seconds.

[The Guard]

Of course i skip over it.. thats how you make the illusion. There are folks that believe in some amazing things in real life, and to them its by no means illogical or such... there are directors who take advantage of this type of thinking. They have an explanation for it to boot also. But psychics for instance... psychics can die in real life. No one said theyd be back.

My point is, you're willing to skip over HUGE suspensions of disbelief like the various powers and mutations in this franchise, but you can't conceive of how a character could be killed off/brought back in this universe?

Perhaps this has also to do with someone thats a strong believer of science and nothing else, and with those types supernatural elements are just nonsense anyway. Its all or nothing... if theres fiction.. drown it in fiction. With this plot, evolution was always in conjunction with the supernatural.

Other than that last line...what in the blue hell are you talking about?

Sure, but the problem is this type of revolving door stuff is what Joel Schumacher did for his batman films.. he took the other side of logic there and look at what a work of art those were. Some just prefer otherwise.

Again...what...blue hell...talking about?

Its not something really tangible... its an instinct. You either have it or dont.

Again...what...blue hell...talking about?

Probably because it's likely to be explained that it was her powers that kept her alive, not truly a resurrection.

Maybe. I've always thought in X3 her "rebirth" would be explained as simply evolving into another state. Though I find it interesting that the water pressure didn't crush her, even with those powers. I suppose her powers could have put her into a state of suspended animation and protected her until she woke up.

Because I don't think that there's much in the X-Men movies that should have been cheesy that wasn't. These movies have been made with a very serious tone to them.

There have been a number of things that are pretty cheesy and simply haven't been played as such. Toad comes to mind.

And faithful is my whole point. You don't deviate that far off from a character, especially one as big time as Aragorn or Cyclops. Granted, Cyclops in the X-Men movies isn't as important as Aragorn in the Lord of the Rings movies, but he's definatley a lot more important than these fanboys around here are giving Singer credit for.

Would tend to agree there.

It would have pissed off fans, because it's not true to the source material. Which is why it's pissing fans off that Cyclops could die. At least this fan. I know that the movies aren't going to be totally true adaptations of the source material. But I ask at least that they keep the characters accurate. Killing off Cyclops is not remaining accurate to his story.

I see what you're saying, but I think you pretty much have to leave some room for interpretation of the mythos, given the situation with the actors.

1) Cyclops wasn't even a "leader in these movies". The leader was always Xavier, and, at turns, Wolverine and Storm.

Yes. He was the leader, both in X-MEN and in X2, for the most part. When was the last time you saw X-MEN and X2?

Okay, why don't you just go ahead and tell me where exactly Wolverine was the leader of these films...

I didn't know the leader ran off from the rest of his team, without so much of a word, to go pursue his own personal vendetta over that of the team objective...

There is so much in the way of Cyclops being the leader, not Wolverine, in these movies, that anyone who thinks otherwise is just looking for something else to ***** about, because they are mad that Wolverine was the main character in these movies.

Agreed.

1. For the leader, we barely saw him truly lead. Sure, he was in charge but he didn't get to assert himself.

Bunk. He led several times and for quite a while in X-MEN, where he displayed leadership characteristics, he had a semi-leadership role in X2 despite a smaller role, and in X3, will likely do some more leading. And we have seen him assert himself, both in battle, and not in battle.

2. We've hardly seen him demonstrate his true power. Cyclops has the ability to wipe out most of the mutants with his blast set on full. I really want to see his powers up against a character like Juggernaught.

I don't know...we've seen his eyes without the visor. We've seen what he can do brainwashed, when he unleashed on Jean. I imagine by the time X3 is done there will have been more optic blasting goodness.

3. Other characters are better when he's around. For instance, he makes Logan stand out as the rough around the edges bad boy.

Fair enough, but how many times can Logan be the ass in a scene? Cyclops doesn't have to be around the entire movie to bring this side of Logan out.

4. We haven't really got into his back story which is amongst the more interesting. Nor, have we ever got to see how difficult his life is with the visor/glasses always on his face. I think his character has great potential. A shame that Iceman, Wolverine and Nightcrawler all had good backgrounds to their characters. Cyclops just seems like he is in the films to be a thorn in Wolverine's side.

The franchise hasn't gotten into too many people's backstories. Probably because there isn't a whole lot of free screentime available for backstories that aren't VERY important to the story. Just going into Cyclops' for the hell of it seems kinda pointless.

[Logan Howlett]

The way it should be.

http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine197.jpg


http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ATA/25282MV~Jean-Grey-Kissing-Wolverine-Posters.jpg


Kill the bastard, nuff said.

[XCharlieX]

My point is, you're willing to skip over HUGE suspensions of disbelief like the various powers and mutations in this franchise, but you can't conceive of how a character could be killed off/brought back in this universe?
Exactly. That begins to effect the story. Nothing matters if you simply have a "go to" device to bring your characters back... "the last stand? big deal"


Other than that last line...what in the blue hell are you talking about?
That was quite clear. I'll rephrase though. Basically, what im saying there are people who are unable to imagine this balance of fiction and non fiction as good as others, and sometimes those types are often the completely "reality" based types.. everythings math and science etc, clean cut. I think if people at least know how some truly and positively believe in the surreal even in real life (religion/psychics/astrology etc) theyre more likely to understand how this balance works when it comes to creating this type of style with scifi/fantasy movies.

As for the other stuff, i didnt think youd understand that. I repeat.. you either get it or dont.

[The Guard]

If it had ****-all to do with what I've been talking about, or what we've been discussing, I'd understand it. As it is, you seem to have made a completely random point for some reason. I don't even think you got my points. I never said anything about a "revolving door". I said "the door swings both ways", and I'm not sure you understand what I meant by that.

[XCharlieX]

Well "are you a god fearing man" the guard? ;) Im just wondering where your pov is coming from. Its more rellevant than you think.

[The Guard]

My POV on what, exactly? The interplay of realism/sci-fi/fantasy in these films? The X-Men universe is a fantasy world, pretty much any way you slice it. It is not really grounded in reality, in any way, shape or form. They are grounded in a more realistic political and social reality than most comic book films, but many of the story aspects are pure sci-fi/fantasy. That simply cannot be argued. I don't think it would harm the film to have some aspect of sci-fi/fantasy come into play in terms of possibly ressurrecting Cyclops in a future film. Considering all the insane aspects the audience has already been asked to believe.

[Logan Howlett]

Cant we all just get along...........like Logan and Jean..........ALL NIGHT LONG BABY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! DONT TELL SCOTTY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!

[XCharlieX]

Yes. Its a theory of mine that people (or directors) that accept or at least know how people accept more than the tangible can understand more how to make a very fantastical story real.

lol hes right... Let's agree to disagree on this issue.

[the_scream]

Cant we all just get along...........like Logan and Jean..........ALL NIGHT LONG BABY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! DONT TELL SCOTTY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!

WTF? How old are you dude? :rolleyes:

[Logan Howlett]

19, why, have you never seen Eurotrip?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Cant we all just get along...........like Logan and Jean..........ALL NIGHT LONG BABY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! DONT TELL SCOTTY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!

I must admit that I got a chuckle out of that.

[vanillacyke]

19, why, have you never seen Eurotrip?

OH yeah I remeber that song. Ahh crap now I got it stuck in my head. thank you VERY MUCH canucklehead :mad:

[vanillacyke]

:mad:

Ahhh man I look awful maybe I should've taken a shower before I posted.

[kjawz22]

He's done nothing in the 1st two films so y not have him do something kool in X3 and then just KILL HIM OFF so he is finally gone!!!!

[Kurosawa]

....if your so hell bent on NOT seeing the movie...then why waste so much time on the movie's boards? :confused:

You know that you will see this movie, don't lie.

If I know Cyke dies in it, then I absolutely will not see it. Why would I spend money on something that will just piss me off? And there will be sufficent spoilers out before the movie itself comes out that I'll know.

[Kmack]

No.

[The Guard]

Yes. Its a theory of mine that people (or directors) that accept or at least know how people accept more than the tangible can understand more how to make a very fantastical story real.

If your theory is saying "you have pick and choose when to be fantastical", then your theory is called common knowledge.

lol hes right... Let's agree to disagree on this issue.

What issue? You just created one out of thin air, and I'm still not sure what it is.

[astonishingcyke]

the only way cyke should ever die is for the entire team... to save their lives. Being a true cyke fan that is the only way i would say ok that works.

[XCharlieX]

What issue? You just created one out of thin air, and I'm still not sure what it is.
Good, then its settled.

[S7ilver]

I don't know, I mean, people do die, it's a part of life and I'd rather have him die then do some pathetic scene that happens in a lot of movies where the hero dodges like 50 bullets coming at him, unhurt. Not that that's the way I want him to die but I think it's a little stupid to have "A Last Stand", a huge war between Mutants and Humans, and not have one main character die. Besides if Jean does die at the end it'd be a way to reunite them, having them finally be at peace and happy.

[Doomed_hero]

No. If it was in a final act to save the women he loved and bring her back or to save HIS team, then I may say yes. But the way it has been rumored to happen disrespects the character and X-Men Mythos.

[Logan Howlett]

To answer all the above questions go here!


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[Kurosawa]

This is exactly why people hate Wolverine.

[Logan Howlett]

People like who? You? If thats true than you have got be one lonely guy at those "Wolerine Hater Convention" mettings lol.

[WorthyStevens]

People like who? You? If thats true than you have got be one lonely guy at those "Wolerine Hater Convention" mettings lol.

Actually he won't be. Because I'm always at those conventions.

[YJ1]

I'll repeat my question.... WHY NOT? I mean... what's the argument against it?

What has Cyke done in the movies, so far? Nothing, nada, zip, zero. He's totally expendable. I know the charactre we love isn't, but the movie-charactre is.

Like I said: I rather want one fair short role in the beginning of the movie for Cyclops, and then have a sad but noble death.



That's why I voted yes. In the movie universe, he is expendable and yet the emotional impact would be staggering.

I know there's a lengthy and quite wordy argument above about resurrecting the character in future sequels. I say why not? If Fox can bring back Elektra in the movie universe after she gets skewered and we actually see her heart stop, I don't think any Cyclops death is "unrepairable."

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I know there's a lengthy and quite wordy argument above about resurrecting the character in future sequels. I say why not? If Fox can bring back Elektra in the movie universe after she gets skewered and we actually see her heart stop, I don't think any Cyclops death is "unrepairable."

Yes, because Elektra is the movie that we should try to be like...

[Doomed_hero]

i am sorry, but anyone who thinks Cyclops should die cause he was simply disrespected in the last two movies is wrong. In fact that should feed into why he should play such a big role in X3. Even at the end of X2 Logan says to him, "She did make a chioce, it was you." So what, now she should kill off
cyc and we have Logan bring her back. Really makes no sense to me.

[WorthyStevens]

Yes, because Elektra is the movie that we should try to be like...

Hey! :mad:

Elektra wasn't that bad. It had, um...

It also had... erm....

And it was especially great when...

I give up. I can't think of anything good about this movie.

:p ;)

[CouchQuarterbck]

Hey! :mad:

Elektra wasn't that bad. It had, um...

It also had... erm....

And it was especially great when...

I give up. I can't think of anything good about this movie.

:p ;)

The name sounds cool....that has to count for something, right? :D

[WorthyStevens]

The name sounds cool....that has to count for something, right? :D

The second 'e' in that name is just excessive...

Elktra. Perfect. :p

[CouchQuarterbck]

The second 'e' in that name is just excessive...

Elktra. Perfect. :p

Makes her sound like some ugly gladiator-style Russian woman.....I wouldn't want to piss her off anyway....:p

[X-Maniac]

Elektra lacked a 'big' story, an epic all-involving plot... it lacked character interaction to give characterisation, it was all flapping sheets and no depth...and that superkid was annoying...Good points were Terrence Stamp and some cool villains...and the fight scenes were quite good.

[WorthyStevens]

Makes her sound like some ugly gladiator-style Russian woman

Now that's just hot. :p

[MoiBijou]

Elektra means "Amber", it was a common name to give to blonde girls in Ancient Greece...

Now we have Elektra is not blonde at all... :O I read a comic book of her doing a parallelism between her history and the tragedy of Elektra from Greek theatre. Awesome. :up:

The movie was so... poor.

[JanG]

He was kind of annoying in the movies....

BUT, I think he's too powerful to get killed. Who else thinks he is going to take his own life?

[Kurosawa]

People like who? You? If thats true than you have got be one lonely guy at those "Wolerine Hater Convention" mettings lol.

Wolverine is one of the most popular and one of the most hated characters in comics.

Personally, I hate the character with a passion. He's been used to make almost every other Marvel character look bad at one time or another. People hate Batman for the same reason, but at least Batman wasn't portrayed that way until the last 15-20 years.

[owen_2006_294]

i'm sorry. but i have to go with a yes. plus it's going to happen since he was cast in Superman Returns, which I believe is going to suck. so either way it's going to happen.

[Logan Howlett]

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[WorthyStevens]

i'm sorry. but i have to go with a yes. plus it's going to happen since he was cast in Superman Returns, which I believe is going to suck. so either way it's going to happen.

So Scott will definitely die because Marsden is in a movie you think will be horrible?

[CouchQuarterbck]

i'm sorry. but i have to go with a yes. plus it's going to happen since he was cast in Superman Returns, which I believe is going to suck. so either way it's going to happen.

:confused:

Sorry - but I don't quite follow your reasoning.....

[owen_2006_294]

James Marsden opted to do Superman Returns instead of X3. so they had him do a couple of scenes and then kill him off. So all it is in X3 is nothing more than a cameo. sorry if I make no sense.

[Aiden]

i'm sorry. but i have to go with a yes. plus it's going to happen since he was cast in Superman Returns, which I believe is going to suck. so either way it's going to happen.
So by your reckoning if Shawn Ashmore did indeed got to SR. Iceman would be killed off. Methinks not :down

Ian McKellan shot all his scenes in a total of 15 days. Marsden done 17+. His role might be bigger than you think

[owen_2006_294]

i doubt it. plus I'm not a big fan of Cyclops.

[YJ1]

Yes, because Elektra is the movie that we should try to be like...

Yep, I knew I was setting myself up for that one.

The point is, Elektra didn't fail because of her resurrection or set up. It failed because... well, too many other reasons to list on an X3 page.

Cyke is still based on a comic book character. You know the old saying, only Uncle Ben and Bucky stay dead in the books... wait... Bucky?

[The Guard]

I tried to forget ELEKTRA after I saw it...was her ressurrection ever actually explained?

[lochneffmonster]

NO!! He's Cyclops! You can't kill him off as much as you can kill off Professor X! Ummm, wait a minute...

[Ratcrawler]

I voted no.

[Octoberist]

i'm sorry. but i have to go with a yes. plus it's going to happen since he was cast in Superman Returns, which I believe is going to suck. so either way it's going to happen.

I think that Superman and X3 had their share of problems (rivial in most cases but sometimes legit). I'm cautious on both movies, but I'm looking forward to them.

[Obsidian]

I tried to forget ELEKTRA after I saw it...was her ressurrection ever actually explained?

Somewhat....all I remember Terrence Stamp somehow revived her in an ambulance.

[the Firestarter]

poor uncle ben... only one to stay dead.

bucky?

[YJ1]

Somewhat....all I remember Terrence Stamp somehow revived her in an ambulance.

Yes, it was some mystical power called Kamegurie(sp) that Stamp's character of Stick had mastered. Apparently, Elektra finally mastered it as well because that scene at the end of the movie was her resurrecting the little girl ... supposedly. It was such poor story telling by the director that it's easy to be confused.


poor uncle ben... only one to stay dead.

bucky?

They could simply bring back Scott in X-Men 5 as the Summer(s) soldier. ;)

[Kronser]

Kill him, bring him back with Jim Caviezel in the role cos james marsden is ****e

[cookiva]

Kill him, bring him back with Jim Caviezel in the role cos james marsden is ****e

Anus invasion....

[Specter313]

Anus invasion....

Lol.

[Latin_Princess1]

No!!! He Shouldnt!

[undomiel]

Sorry to say it, but I think probably yes, they should kill off Scott in X3. I think it will set up some of the other drama and make for a better plot altogether.

[DarknessOfDeath]

No:(

[FieryBalrog]

Cant we all just get along...........like Logan and Jean..........ALL NIGHT LONG BABY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! DONT TELL SCOTTY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!

:D hahaha

[Leon_0]

No, Cyclopse shouldnt die, mainly cause hes the team leader, and he always was, in almost all the Xmen..well, all the xmen Ive watched atleast.:up: