Bolivar Trask is black?

[onejeremytogo]

Am I the only person who hates it when they do this type of thing? Take a fairly well known character and change his race and even in some cases gender. They've done it in a number of movies. Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude. Not that I mind having characters that are from different races...infact I like a diverse crowd but couldn't they stick to the characters we know and love...couldn't they come up with NEW ones to fill those shoes?

[S7ilver]

I think the fans would be more upset if they just created an entirely new character just so they could have someone of a different race

[Slim_X]

I don't have a problem with Trask being black... has it even been confirmed that Duke is playing him? :confused:

[onejeremytogo]

I think the fans would be more upset if they just created an entirely new character just so they could have someone of a different race

Well no I don't mean for the movies. What I mean is can't they come up with other characters in the comics? And stick to the ones we know. They want to have Trask...make him the one from the comics. They want to pull an African American from the comics..please do..just don't change him to make HIM white. What's so hard about that? They are already changing so many things from the comics while taking it to film..couldn't they just leave this one alone?

[the a1ant]

I don't have a problem with Trask being black... has it even been confirmed that Duke is playing him? :confused:

There was a callsheet somewhere with Duke being listed as Trask. What website was it? Anybody? I think it was the website of the guy who owned the bar in X1.

[WorthyStevens]

There could be a specific reason as to why Trask was put in the movie, instead of some other comic character. Hint hint.

[the a1ant]

It hasn't been official announced that Duke is playing Trask, but some keen eyed people on these forums found some interesting things.

Scroll down the page. You have to squint but it says Bill Duke is trask on the call sheet. The Official Bill Duke Casting Thread had a link to a page where Duke was listed on the casting sheet as Trask. You have to squint very hard to see it though, lol.

http://www.douglennox.com/bio-full.htm
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210420&highlight=Duke+Trask

It's also confirmed that Duke is involved with the government (sitting directly across from Beast)...

http://www.thexverse.com/assets/gallery/x3/trailers/teaser1/cap056.jpg

From: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210420&page=12&highlight=Duke+Trask

All signs are pointing to yes, even though it hasn't officially been confirmed yet.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Onejeremytogo, have you ever seen Bill Duke in action? If not let me assure you--he is one of the scariest mofos you will ever see. He is perfect for this creepy role because the man is beyond creepy. Skin color should not be a factor in hiring someone for a performance. Bolivar is not an iconic character, so it's not like mainstream audiences will really know the difference.

[lordofthenerds]

I don't mind Trask being black. He wasn't a major character in the comics. Also Duke is a great actor. Now if Wolverine or Cyclops were black in the movie that would be a problem.

[Mister Sinister]

Being white isn't a crucial part of Trask's character in the same way that being white wasn't crucial to The Kingpin and Alicia Master's characters.

[cookiva]

Am I the only person who hates it when they do this type of thing? Take a fairly well known character and change his race and even in some cases gender. They've done it in a number of movies. Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude. Not that I mind having characters that are from different races...infact I like a diverse crowd but couldn't they stick to the characters we know and love...couldn't they come up with NEW ones to fill those shoes?


Ugh, am I the only person who hates people like this? In Kingpins case, why not go find a massive wrestler who cant act to play him? Why not get some random massive guy off the street, just so long as he is white. Is that what you want? MCD was perfect, PERFECT, for Kingpin.

Who cares what color their skin is. I cant think of anyone better than Duke to play Trask, personality wise. He plays these kinds of characters perfectly!

[gap5ewl]

Am I the only person who hates it when they do this type of thing? Take a fairly well known character and change his race and even in some cases gender. They've done it in a number of movies. Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude. Not that I mind having characters that are from different races...infact I like a diverse crowd but couldn't they stick to the characters we know and love...couldn't they come up with NEW ones to fill those shoes?
i dont like it either but i can understand why they would do that.

[BobJM]

As long as he does a good job, I'm fine with Dukes portraying Trask. He has that powerful, tough look to him, which will hopefully be backing up his acting performance.

By the way, in movies all characters go through some change or another. I don't think Mystique was covered in scales or was naked. The Wolverine potrayed in the theaters is tall and lean, but the comic counterpart is short and much more built...and a lot more hair covers his body.

So as long as the overall feel and essesnce of the character is kept, I'm fine with any changes.

P.S.

GNR4LIFE has pointed out that the man sitting down in the containment room with Mystique, (check trailer screencaps and new pictures posted by Retroman) has worked with Ratner in Red Dragon. The man looks fairly like the Trask from the comics? Is he Trask, afterall?

[Morgoth]

Am I the only person who hates it when they do this type of thing? Take a fairly well known character and change his race and even in some cases gender. They've done it in a number of movies. Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude. Not that I mind having characters that are from different races...infact I like a diverse crowd but couldn't they stick to the characters we know and love...couldn't they come up with NEW ones to fill those shoes?So true. I've said it manytimes. They didn't make Blade white so they don't need to change others like Kingpin. KP was actually rather tall but any way, they shouldn't have done that in the movie, it just isn't that character, and I want to see the character come to life that I've loved for years not something else. And that just wasn't kingpin.

[cookiva]

So true. I've said it manytimes. They didn't make Blade white so they don't need to change others like Kingpin. KP was actually rather tall but any way, they shouldn't have done that in the movie, it just isn't that character, and I want to see the character come to life that I've loved for years not something else. And that just wasn't kingpin.

Oh come on. There is no other actor who could have pulled off that job that he did like he did. MCD was by far one of the best things about that film, and he saved it. So what if his skin is a different color. For characters like that, lets just have someone who can pull it off. For others, like Cyke or Wolverine for example, there are many people who could play em. There are few who could pull off a good Kingpin, and MCD did.

[gap5ewl]

Am I the only person who hates it when they do this type of thing? Take a fairly well known character and change his race and even in some cases gender. They've done it in a number of movies. Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude. Not that I mind having characters that are from different races...infact I like a diverse crowd but couldn't they stick to the characters we know and love...couldn't they come up with NEW ones to fill those shoes?
i dont like it either but i can understand why they would do that.

[onejeremytogo]

I don't mind Trask being black. He wasn't a major character in the comics. Also Duke is a great actor. Now if Wolverine or Cyclops were black in the movie that would be a problem.

Actually, Trask WAS a major character for quite a while. We wouldn't have sentinels if it were not for him. He made MANY appearances back when the sentinels were first introduced and has been a common foe of the X-men since. Granted he's not as popular nowaday's and if you've just started reading the X comics since X1 came out you probably don't care much for the character or think he is a major character.

[cookiva]

Actually, Trask WAS a major character for quite a while. We wouldn't have sentinels if it were not for him. He made MANY appearances back when the sentinels were first introduced and has been a common foe of the X-men since. Granted he's not as popular nowaday's and if you've just started reading the X comics since X1 came out you probably don't care much for the character or think he is a major character.

He used to be a major character, yes. But his ethnicity wasnt what made his character. He isnt like Forge, who has to be Native American, or Banshee, who has to be a white irishman. Trask doesnt conform to any certain group.

[Coreo]

I could care less what his ethnicity is. If he portrays the character well, then so be it. Obviously it wasn't a big deal since they casted him!

[tonytr1687]

This is stupid. Race has nothing to do with Trask or Kingpin and that's why it should be no big deal if they cast an actor who's black. With Kingpin there was no other actor with the size and acting ability anyway. True there are many others who could play Trask but his race is not essential in the casting process.

[tonytr1687]

This is stupid. Race has nothing to do with Trask or Kingpin and that's why it should be no big deal if they cast an actor who's black. With Kingpin there was no other actor with the size and acting ability anyway. True there are many others who could play Trask but his race is not essential in the casting process. It's not

[tonytr1687]

This is stupid. Race has nothing to do with Trask or Kingpin and that's why it should be no big deal if they cast an actor who's black. With Kingpin there was no other actor with the size and acting ability anyway. True there are many others who could play Trask but his race is not essential in the casting process. It's

[tonytr1687]

This is stupid. Race has nothing to do with Trask or Kingpin and that's why it should be no big deal if they cast an actor who's black. With Kingpin there was no other actor with the size and acting ability anyway. True there are many others who could play Trask but his race is not essential in the casting process. It's not like he;s

[tonytr1687]

This is stupid. Race has nothing to do with Trask or Kingpin and that's why it should be no big deal if they cast an actor who's black. With Kingpin there was no other actor with the size and acting ability anyway. True there are many others who could play Trask but his race is not essential in the casting process. It's not like

[tonytr1687]

This is stupid. Race has nothing to do with Trask or Kingpin and that's why it should be no big deal if they cast an actor who's black. With Kingpin there was no other actor with the size and acting ability anyway. True there are many others who could play Trask but his race is not essential in the casting process. It's not like he's

[tonytr1687]

This is stupid. Race has nothing to do with Trask or Kingpin and that's why it should be no big deal if they cast an actor who's black. With Kingpin there was no other actor with the size and acting ability anyway. True there are many others who could play Trask but his race is not essential in the casting process. It's not like he's an

[tonytr1687]

This is stupid. Race has nothing to do with Trask or Kingpin and that's why it should be no big deal if they cast an actor who's black. With Kingpin there was no other actor with the size and acting ability anyway. True there are many others who could play Trask but his race is not essential in the casting process. It's not like he's an iconic character.

[tonytr1687]

Sorry. Triple post.

[lordofthenerds]

Actually, Trask WAS a major character for quite a while. We wouldn't have sentinels if it were not for him. He made MANY appearances back when the sentinels were first introduced and has been a common foe of the X-men since. Granted he's not as popular nowaday's and if you've just started reading the X comics since X1 came out you probably don't care much for the character or think he is a major character.
Yes but hes not somebody who is well known or that is ditinguished by their looks. Nobody in the theater will have a clue who Trask was from the comics and even if they did they probably wouldn't care.

[cookiva]

Despite the triple post, I must agree, Tony!

[lordofthenerds]

This is stupid. Race has nothing to do with Trask or Kingpin and that's why it should be no big deal if they cast an actor who's black. With Kingpin there was no other actor with the size and acting ability anyway. True there are many others who could play Trask but his race is not essential in the casting process. It's not like he's an iconic
Agreed. :up:

[Slim_X]

It hasn't been official announced that Duke is playing Trask, but some keen eyed people on these forums found some interesting things.

Scroll down the page. You have to squint but it says Bill Duke is trask on the call sheet. The Official Bill Duke Casting Thread had a link to a page where Duke was listed on the casting sheet as Trask. You have to squint very hard to see it though, lol.

http://www.douglennox.com/bio-full.htm
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210420&highlight=Duke+Trask

It's also confirmed that Duke is involved with the government (sitting directly across from Beast)...

http://www.thexverse.com/assets/gallery/x3/trailers/teaser1/cap056.jpg

From: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210420&page=12&highlight=Duke+Trask

All signs are pointing to yes, even though it hasn't officially been confirmed yet.
Ok, thanks :).

[Dark Beast]

As long as Boliver Trask is still a mutant-racist who wants to get rid of the muties at any cost, I couldn't care less if he's black or white....

[TNC9852002]

I stopped reading once he said that Kingpin was supposed to be short... :marv:

-TNC

[cookiva]

I did too, but then I saw what other people said, and decided to join into the fun, TNC...

[tonytr1687]

I also think it would be kinda interesting to see a black man who's anti-mutant. So far we've only seen rich white guys hating mutants.

[FireFli]

who cares?

[TNC9852002]

I also think it would be kinda interesting to see a black man who's anti-mutant. So far we've only seen rich white guys hating mutants.
Hmmmmmm.... :up:

-TNC

[skruloos]

So true. I've said it manytimes. They didn't make Blade white so they don't need to change others like Kingpin.
Except that there is a major difference here. Blade was created so that there would actually be representation for African-Americans. To change his ethnicity would totally misrepresent why he was made Black in the first place.

Kingpin was made white just because that's what most characters were/are in comics. He has nothing in his character that makes his being white important.

[Avalanche]

I don't see why we should view it as a bad thing.

Pyro's origins were changed, yet movie Pyro is a great iteration of Pyro in my opinion.

[Karea07]

no problems here. :up:

[tonytr1687]

I don't see why we should view it as a bad thing.

Pyro's origins were changed, yet movie Pyro is a great iteration of Pyro in my opinion.

Indeed. I actually find movie Pyro to be ten times more interesting than comic Pyro.

[cookiva]

Indeed. I actually find movie Pyro to be ten times more interesting than comic Pyro.


Eh, they are both interesting. Its just that one is different from the other, and its cool to see different versions of a character...

[phoenix_force]

This is stupid. Race has nothing to do with Trask or Kingpin and that's why it should be no big deal if they cast an actor who's black. With Kingpin there was no other actor with the size and acting ability anyway. True there are many others who could play Trask but his race is not essential in the casting process. It's not like he's
exactly :) :up:

[TNC9852002]

Wait a minute...What was Pyro's comic origin anyway?..I thought he just appeared out of nowhere in his late 20's/early 30's and had a stereotypical Australian dialect..

-TNC

[Advanced Dark]

Oh boy. There's already a stupid thread about making Iron Man black. (sigh) Now this. Next up will be a Vietnamese Paste Pot Pete.

[Specter313]

Sorry. Triple post.

You posted it nine times dude.

[DarthRekal]

Ugh, am I the only person who hates people like this? In Kingpins case, why not go find a massive wrestler who cant act to play him? Why not get some random massive guy off the street, just so long as he is white. Is that what you want? MCD was perfect, PERFECT, for Kingpin.

Who cares what color their skin is. I cant think of anyone better than Duke to play Trask, personality wise. He plays these kinds of characters perfectly!


:up: ....

j alba as sue storm:up:

dania ramirez as callisto :up:

MCD as kingpin:up:

CHARACTERS are just that..CHARACTERS!...its the character that matters not the color of skin.... if they are true to chracter it matters not to me...

[MJB]

Another thread like this. Just give it a rest? For the love of god dude just give it a rest. This is subject been beaten like a dirty rug. No one here is even sure what character Duke is playing. It hasn't been confirmed that he's Trask, and if he is I sorry to the large legion of Trask fans, but the character just isn't that important to me to get all up in arms over his race being changed. The only real goal and purpose the man served was to create and introduce the Sentinals, outside of that he's not interesting at all to me.

[imaperson2]

:up: ....

j alba as sue storm:up:

dania ramirez as callisto :up:

MCD as kingpin:up:

CHARACTERS are just that..CHARACTERS!...its the character that matters not the color of skin.... if they are true to chracter it matters not to me...

i dont think that j alba is such a good example because she had contacts and her hair was lighter, trying to make her look white/American

[lordofthenerds]

i dont think that j alba is such a good example because she had contacts and her hair was lighter, trying to make her look white/American
agreed. what ethnicity is she anyway?

[DarthRekal]

i dont think that j alba is such a good example because she had contacts and her hair was lighter, trying to make her look white/American

those were outstanding characteristics of sue..... but she had blonde hair since sin city.....matters little

[josh8]

yeah, i hate "purists" like this too.

why not pick an existing black character from the comics to use? because there are none. these "classic" characters were written when peculiarly everyone in the US was still white. i wonder where all the black people were? oh right, in luke cage comics.

yes, bolivar trask is an important character. but i've read almost all the x-men comics since giant-sized (i know he was introduced earlier, but he hasnt been a presense for a long time), and i still dont remember what he looked like. so, i wouldnt care what he looked like in the movie as long as he was written and played well.

[Seeker]

agreed. what ethnicity is she anyway?


Latina. And a ****ing gorgeous one, btw.

[blind_fury]

I consider myself a purist but making Boliver black is actually an improvement. As someone stated earlier, all the villians are no longer old, white guys. Having a black dude hating mutants is an interesting commentary on the capacity for all humans to hate equally despite the lessons of the past.

In the comics they always were sure to show blacks included in mutie-hating mobs. It shows that race wouldnt matter when there are other, more urgent differences to attack.

Having said that I think Big Show(WWE) wouldve made a better kingpin than MCD. :)

[DarthRekal]

Latina. And a ****ing gorgeous one, btw.

i believe shes a mutt..i dont think shes pura latina....

[onejeremytogo]

He used to be a major character, yes. But his ethnicity wasnt what made his character. He isnt like Forge, who has to be Native American, or Banshee, who has to be a white irishman. Trask doesnt conform to any certain group.

You're right...he was white. And I would bet everything I own that these groups would be ticked off if they took say....Banshee and made him English or took Storm and made her white or even made Moira chinese. I've seen people throwing fits because Storm or Peter doesn't have accents. And why does Forge have to be Native American? Are you saying that just because they are white that means that it's ok to change them but OMG if they're African American or Native American it's just disrespectful or down right offensive to change their race? What makes white people/characters any different? Not as significant huh?

[blind_fury]

Because ethnic characters are rare while white characters are over-abundant.

It's ok to make a couple of secondary characters hispanic, black or asian.

[onejeremytogo]

yeah, i hate "purists" like this too.

why not pick an existing black character from the comics to use? because there are none. these "classic" characters were written when peculiarly everyone in the US was still white. i wonder where all the black people were? oh right, in luke cage comics.

yes, bolivar trask is an important character. but i've read almost all the x-men comics since giant-sized (i know he was introduced earlier, but he hasnt been a presense for a long time), and i still dont remember what he looked like. so, i wouldnt care what he looked like in the movie as long as he was written and played well.

I'm NOT a purist nor am I a racist. It just annoys the hell out of me when they do things like this. It's bad enough that they change everything else about the character but to change their entire race and confuse even more people is just stupid. Hey I have an idea..let's make Superman Korean..or Jesus black...it just doesn't seem right. It seems like half way through the production they're like "oh crap..we haven't met our quota of minorities...we better get someone who's not white". It's crap.

[WalkingDead]

You're right...he was white. And I would bet everything I own that these groups would be ticked off if they took say....Banshee and made him English or took Storm and made her white or even made Moira chinese. I've seen people throwing fits because Storm or Peter doesn't have accents. And why does Forge have to be Native American? Are you saying that just because they are white that means that it's ok to change them but OMG if they're African American or Native American it's just disrespectful or down right offensive to change their race? What makes white people/characters any different? Not as significant huh?

Ok first off...I kinda see what you mean. I really do.
But, a lot time the ethnicity of certain characters totally accounts for a large portion of the essence of that character...such as with Forge or Banshee or Thunderbird.
However, with Trask, him being white/caucasian doesn't really need to be an essential of who that character is or what he does, his motivations and ideals make him Trask. So that is why for the most part, it doesn't matter at all really.


Oh and Kingpin is 6' 7" in the comics...a tall man, not a short guy.

[xstormfan]

you can't compare turning Storm another race with changing the race of Trask. The Marvel universe is like what? 80% white, changing the race of Trask, isnt that big a deal he's not a popular character and being white isn't fundamental to his character, Storm is from AFRICA and one of what ? 2 black x-men, what sense would it make to change her race and have no diversity, it's not like they made Wolverine Jamaican, it's Trask, who cares
?

[onejeremytogo]

Oh and Kingpin is 6' 7" in the comics...a tall man, not a short guy.

Yeah I saw that in the Marvel Directory..but still ..I could have sworn back in the 50's he was originally a short guy.

[WalkingDead]

I'm NOT a purist nor am I a racist. It just annoys the hell out of me when they do things like this. It's bad enough that they change everything else about the character but to change their entire race and confuse even more people is just stupid. Hey I have an idea..let's make Superman Korean..or Jesus black...it just doesn't seem right. It seems like half way through the production they're like "oh crap..we haven't met our quota of minorities...we better get someone who's not white". It's crap.

Just to let you know, Jesus very well could have had an African descent. At that time many Arabian cultures had African people and people with African heritage living in the area Jesus is so well-known to have been born and traveled.

[xstormfan]

I'm NOT a purist nor am I a racist. It just annoys the hell out of me when they do things like this. It's bad enough that they change everything else about the character but to change their entire race and confuse even more people is just stupid. Hey I have an idea..let's make Superman Korean..or Jesus black...it just doesn't seem right. It seems like half way through the production they're like "oh crap..we haven't met our quota of minorities...we better get someone who's not white". It's crap.


what's wrong with Jesus being black? does it say in the bible what race he was?

[onejeremytogo]

Just to let you know, Jesus very well could have had an African descent. At that time many Arabian cultures had African people and people with African heritage living in the area Jesus is so well-known to have been born and traveled.

I'm aware of that. I was just using him as an example because everyone knows him as flat out Jewish with all Caucasion pictures....lol

[onejeremytogo]

what's wrong with Jesus being black? does it say in the bible what race he was?

and yeah I think it does say he was Jewish

[deemar325]

You're right...he was white. And I would bet everything I own that these groups would be ticked off if they took say....Banshee and made him English or took Storm and made her white or even made Moira chinese. I've seen people throwing fits because Storm or Peter doesn't have accents. And why does Forge have to be Native American? Are you saying that just because they are white that means that it's ok to change them but OMG if they're African American or Native American it's just disrespectful or down right offensive to change their race? What makes white people/characters any different? Not as significant huh?

Ok your really dense and getting on my nerves, characters like Banshee,Storm, Forge their ethnicity is apart of who they are. Trask,Kinpin,Callisto their heritage is not a major factor in their persona.

Now take characters like WarMachine and Ironman, WM is black IM is white, now they can be either or simply because there ethnicity is not a major factor in who they are and portrayed.

While Daredevil is known to be an Irish catholic, so he would not be a character that you would change to another race because his ethnicity is a major part of who he is.

Do you get it?

[deemar325]

Yeah I saw that in the Marvel Directory..but still ..I could have sworn back in the 50's he was originally a short guy.


Ok, 50's? Kinpin wasn't created til the 1960's

[onejeremytogo]

Ok your really dense and getting on my nerves, characters like Banshee,Storm, Forge their ethnicity is apart of who they are. Trask,Kinpin,Callisto their heritage is not a major factor in their persona.

Now take characters like WarMachine and Ironman, WM is black IM is white, now they can be either or simply because there ethnicity is not a major factor in who they are and portrayed.

While Daredevil is known to be an Irish catholic, so he would not be a character that you would change to another race because his ethnicity is a major part of who he is.

Do you get it?

If I'm getting on your nerves then why are you responding? And once again...Superman's ethnic background wasn't significant either. So you wanna make him Korean? All I'm trying to say is that I hate it when they do things like this. Granted his race has nothing to do with the character but they are still making a completely different character by doing this. What about that do you not get? It's not hard to understand. Basically they are taking him (one of my favorite characters by the way) and changing him to fit their needs. It's annoying. I understand that there has to be some change for it to fit into the movie i.e. background stories but what does changing their race do? What's the point?

[deemar325]

I'm aware of that. I was just using him as an example because everyone knows him as flat out Jewish with all Caucasion pictures....lol

The original Hebrews where not what you would consider caucasion, if anything Jesus looked more like Osama bin Laden than Jim Caveizel.

[deemar325]

If I'm getting on your nerves then why are you responding? And once again...Superman's ethnic background wasn't significant either. So you wanna make him Korean? All I'm trying to say is that I hate it when they do things like this. Granted his race has nothing to do with the character but they are still making a completely different character by doing this. What about that do you not get? It's not hard to understand. Basically they are taking him (one of my favorite characters by the way) and changing him to fit their needs. It's annoying. I understand that there has to be some change for it to fit into the movie i.e. background stories but what does changing their race do? What's the point?

Superman should always look the way he does now, he's to Iconic as being white with blue eyes and black hair. I wouldn't want to change that, but at the same time Trask at the end of the day is not Superman or Lex Luthor for that matter, so why does it matter if he's black?

[xstormfan]

and yeah I think it does say he was Jewish

Because he's Jewish, he can't have African Ancestry?, there is much evidence that he did.

[onejeremytogo]

The original Hebrews where not what you would consider caucasion, if anything Jesus looked more like Osama bin Laden than Jim Caveizel.

I was saying that he was portrayed in his pictures as a white man which he was not. And since I wasn't there I don't know exactly what ancestry history may or may not prove that he had. I don't care for that matter..I'm not here to argue what Jesus looked like.

[deemar325]

Just to let you know, Jesus very well could have had an African descent. At that time many Arabian cultures had African people and people with African heritage living in the area Jesus is so well-known to have been born and traveled.

I spent a year in Iraq and Kuwait, and there were a good number of 'black arabs' who's are not immigrants but naturalized middle-eastners.

:up:

[N_z0]

You posted it nine times dude.

Ok I just had to laugh at this. :D

douglennox's website (http://www.douglennox.com/bio-full.htm), about Duke playing Trask.

Just reposting it here.

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/trask2.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

[JP]

If I'm getting on your nerves then why are you responding? And once again...Superman's ethnic background wasn't significant either. So you wanna make him Korean? All I'm trying to say is that I hate it when they do things like this. Granted his race has nothing to do with the character but they are still making a completely different character by doing this. What about that do you not get? It's not hard to understand. Basically they are taking him (one of my favorite characters by the way) and changing him to fit their needs. It's annoying. I understand that there has to be some change for it to fit into the movie i.e. background stories but what does changing their race do? What's the point?

Superman isn't white, He's Kryptonian. Duh. :rolleyes:

[deemar325]

Superman isn't white, He's Kryptonian. Duh. :rolleyes:


Duh.

[Abaddon]

I forgot what Trask looked like in the comics.

[JP]

I didn't even know who Trask was until I joined the Hype.

[Abaddon]

lol!




Shame on you.:mad:

[deemar325]

I forgot what Trask looked like in the comics.

Average sized white guy with a bushy mustache and brown hair. Nothing special, oh yeah he usually wore a white trench coat (doctor) :up:

[Abaddon]

Well I think its interesting if the Duke thing is true.A black man creating a vehicle for his hatred in the form of mutant-hunting Sentinels.There's an irony in his whole discrimination angle now.The change in race isn't all that important,and I don't think there are any Trask fans who will cry bloody murder over it.

[deemar325]

Well I think its interesting if the Duke thing is true.A black man creating a vehicle for his hatred in the form of mutant-hunting Sentinels.There's an irony in his whole discrimination angle now.The change in race isn't all that important,and I don't think there are any Trask fans who will cry bloody murder over it.

You'd be suprised.

[Abaddon]

Maybe,but I wouldnt care.:o

[Specter313]

I forgot what Trask looked like in the comics.

http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Bios/BolivarTrask.JPG

And a comparison I found:

http://www.devir.com.br/zero_2005a/x3/trask.jpg

[ImOverIt]

Thanks for posting the pic, it looks like they were seperated at birth. Uncanny.

[ironmaidenrules]

MCD was a bad kingpin
but it wasn't because of his race

alba was white....sue storm was white
bad acting ruined it

take a skinny white guy and turn him into a fat black man

if race doesn't matter, then why change it?

[MJB]

I'm NOT a purist nor am I a racist. It just annoys the hell out of me when they do things like this. It's bad enough that they change everything else about the character but to change their entire race and confuse even more people is just stupid. Hey I have an idea..let's make Superman Korean..or Jesus black...it just doesn't seem right. It seems like half way through the production they're like "oh crap..we haven't met our quota of minorities...we better get someone who's not white". It's crap.


Dude just give it a rest. Superman is a d@mn alien and why in the world he's lily white has always been a problem for me. i would've prefered the writers/creators made him a gov expierment or had infused kryptonian DNA in a human or he was half human. It's just very egotistical for creators to assume that aliens would show up and be white, especially since whites aren't even the majority on Earth.

Um I hope you do know that Jesus isn't or wasn't white. The image of jesus was changed to fit for western and european society. You have the internet dude right at your finger tips, which is a source of vast info, so start looking about Jesus's race. This is a debate that i don't want to get into.

[josh8]

I'm NOT a purist nor am I a racist. It just annoys the hell out of me when they do things like this. It's bad enough that they change everything else about the character but to change their entire race and confuse even more people is just stupid. Hey I have an idea..let's make Superman Korean..or Jesus black...it just doesn't seem right.

what's worse than people complaining about racial changes in characters is your "make Superman Korean" argument. it's the dumbest argument (and simplest) which is probably why folks like you always gravitate towards it.

It seems like half way through the production they're like "oh crap..we haven't met our quota of minorities...we better get someone who's not white". It's crap.

it's people like you who perpetuate the beliefs that minorities "have it easy" with all the "handouts" they're given. sure, it's your opinion, but your words are ignorant garbage.

[Seeker]

Yeah I saw that in the Marvel Directory..but still ..I could have sworn back in the 50's he was originally a short guy.

50´s? The Kingpin appearead during the Romita run, about late 60´s, and was a pretty stupid character (just a fat guy with a raygun-cane and bad temper, who did all his crimes in the open; the Kingpin we know and love was modified and developed by Frank Miller).

And BTW, Duke would play a helluva Trask. Heck, I believe Duke could KICK a Sentinel´s ass, let alone build one!

[Seeker]

Let´s not be THAT harsh. It could be worse. They could´ve cast Vin Diesel as Black Panther and Carrot Top as Luke Cage.

[Jan Irisi]

One must stop and think about exactly who was writing these comics and equally as important when they were being written.

Of course the majority of the characters, both good and bad, can be considered to be "generic white guys". Some were given ethnic and cultural backgrounds that could and should be an integral part of their character, and those aspects should not be ignored. However, many were not given that ethnic and cultural background, and as I said earlier, were merely written as "generic white guys".

Times have changed over the years, and there is no reason whatsoever that certain "re-interpretations" can not occur. There is no reason why a character like Trask should not be played by an african american actor. As someone said earlier, it is not the color of his skin or the derivation of his surname that makes him who he is, it is his motivations and societal beliefs that make him who he is.

All of these comic-to-film iterations are reflective of the world we live in today, not the world that has been presented on the comic page, many of which were written some fifty plus years ago (I am referring to all comics here and not just X-Men in particular). These films reflect what we live and see every day in the 21st century. Changes will be made to make these films to reflect what we know and see.

Yes, on occasion these changes may leave a sour taste in our mouths, however, we must strive to be less rigid in what we expect to see.

[MemnochZERO]

Actually, Trask WAS a major character for quite a while. We wouldn't have sentinels if it were not for him. He made MANY appearances back when the sentinels were first introduced and has been a common foe of the X-men since. Granted he's not as popular nowaday's and if you've just started reading the X comics since X1 came out you probably don't care much for the character or think he is a major character.

He used to be a major character, yes. But his ethnicity wasnt what made his character. He isnt like Forge, who has to be Native American, or Banshee, who has to be a white irishman. Trask doesnt conform to any certain group.

And to further add to this, i think that poster might be thinking of the cartoon not the comics... or thinking LARRY (or even Donald) Trask or Stephen Lang. BOLIVAR Trask died after like, 2 issues. He was crucial to the genesis of the Sentinals, but in no way a major foe like Lang was, who made the bigger better scarier Sentinals, and lasted more than TWO comics.
We remember Trask as the creator of the Sentinals, but he failed miserably and died as a result. Common foe my ass.
As for the ethnicity issue, it's NOT crucial to the character's story in the least, and Bill Duke is a fantastic actor, period.
And someone said Kingpin was originally a short white man, what comics are you reading? Kingpin's like, 6'8", he's a massive intimidating guy, not the Penguin.

[Weadazoid]

I really like the casting of Bill duke ofr this role...

Ever seen Menace to Society he was the balck cop doing the interview.... and when he got the kid to splip up and change the time of the homicide story he was the one who was all like

You just f**ked up son..you know that right... you just gone and F**ked up.

He is great when he is a position of authority

everyone remebers him from Predator one of the guys who lasted to the end he had a great sequence with Carl Weathers as well.


He emtis author very well... and look mean as hell doing it

[Cyclops]

Superman... Bolivar Trask. Superman... Bolivar Trask.

One is an American icon who consistently appears in those 'greatest fictional characters of all time' lists.

The other is a background character who died after two issues.

Hmm. Yep, Bolivar Trask's racial designation is just as important as Superman's.

*sigh* Some people are just so boneheaded.

[Mar420x]

Bill Duke is an incredible actor. i think they got the best choice for him 2 play Dr. Boilvar Trask.

[cookiva]

You're right...he was white. And I would bet everything I own that these groups would be ticked off if they took say....Banshee and made him English or took Storm and made her white or even made Moira chinese. I've seen people throwing fits because Storm or Peter doesn't have accents. And why does Forge have to be Native American? Are you saying that just because they are white that means that it's ok to change them but OMG if they're African American or Native American it's just disrespectful or down right offensive to change their race? What makes white people/characters any different? Not as significant huh?

No, I said it because its a huge part of his background, just as big as Storms or Magnetos.

I love racist purist bastards....

[HughJackFan420]

i hated Daredevil for that reason

i'm not racist or anything but damn it thats what the fans want to see

they wanna see an actor or actress who can perfectly portray that character

[tonytr1687]

i hated Daredevil for that reason

i'm not racist or anything but damn it thats what the fans want to see

they wanna see an actor or actress who can perfectly portray that character

And Kingpin's portrayal has nothing to do with his skin color.

[onejeremytogo]

Dude just give it a rest. Superman is a d@mn alien and why in the world he's lily white has always been a problem for me. i would've prefered the writers/creators made him a gov expierment or had infused kryptonian DNA in a human or he was half human. It's just very egotistical for creators to assume that aliens would show up and be white, especially since whites aren't even the majority on Earth.

Um I hope you do know that Jesus isn't or wasn't white. The image of jesus was changed to fit for western and european society. You have the internet dude right at your finger tips, which is a source of vast info, so start looking about Jesus's race. This is a debate that i don't want to get into.

Speaking of vast information and the net...scroll up, look at my post and ACTUALLY READ it this time. I never said Jesus was white. I said he was Jewish but was painted as a white man in the paintings. You are backing up what I just said. Next time understand what it is that you're arguing before you start.

[cookiva]

Speaking of vast information and the net...scroll up, look at my post and ACTUALLY READ it this time. I never said Jesus was white. I said he was Jewish but was painted as a white man in the paintings. You are backing up what I just said. Next time understand what it is that you're arguing before you start.


Actually, you said he was caucasian, ie, white. You never said anything about paintings.

Why are you so racist?

[onejeremytogo]

No, I said it because its a huge part of his background, just as big as Storms or Magnetos.

I love racist purist bastards....

FYI ...my spouse is black and gay. So I hardly think that I am a "racist, purist, bastard. Furthermore, just because I disagree with changing something in a character as major as their race doesn't give you the right to try to throw your ignorance back at me by NAME CALLING. It's childish. If you can't grow up and have a discussion without making false assumptions based on little or no facts then I will not waste anymore time fighting with you. I'm sorry if you disagree with my opinion but that's what people do. If everyone in this world thought the same way it would be a boring place. I apologize for offending you (even though I don't know how) but that's not what this thread was intended for. It was intended to express my opinion and to have a semi-intellectual conversation. I guess when you're on an X-men message board talking to inexperienced teens...this is what you get.

[cookiva]

FYI ...my spouse is black and gay. So I hardly think that I am a "racist, purist, bastard. Furthermore, just because I disagree with changing something in a character as major as their race doesn't give you the right to try to throw your ignorance back at me by NAME CALLING. It's childish. If you can't grow up and have a discussion without making false assumptions based on little or no facts then I will not waste anymore time fighting with you. I'm sorry if you disagree with my opinion but that's what people do. If everyone in this world thought the same way it would be a boring place. I apologize for offending you (even though I don't know how) but that's not what this thread was intended for. It was intended to express my opinion and to have a semi-intellectual conversation. I guess when you're on an X-men message board talking to inexperienced teens...this is what you get.

If your spouse is gay, why didnt you say you were gay? I myself am bi, and if someone approached me and asked me, I wouldnt say that my spouse is gay, I would say I was....

[DarthRekal]

allow me to interject...it has been said and this is why bolivar being black doesnt bother me... his race is not DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC of his character(okay thats redundant)...anywho..his background or race has little to do with the person he is..and its refreshing to think we as a people can interchange races to some characters we are familiar with and not skip a beat:confused:

[cookiva]

Right on Darth!

[onejeremytogo]

Actually, you said he was caucasian, ie, white. You never said anything about paintings.

Why are you so racist?

Please point on your screen where I said he was white.

I'm NOT a purist nor am I a racist. It just annoys the hell out of me when they do things like this. It's bad enough that they change everything else about the character but to change their entire race and confuse even more people is just stupid. Hey I have an idea..let's make Superman Korean..or Jesus black...it just doesn't seem right. It seems like half way through the production they're like "oh crap..we haven't met our quota of minorities...we better get someone who's not white". It's crap.

I'm aware of that. I was just using him as an example because everyone knows him as flat out Jewish with all Caucasion pictures....lol

Again... Scroll up and REREAD

[onejeremytogo]

If your spouse is gay, why didnt you say you were gay? I myself am bi, and if someone approached me and asked me, I wouldnt say that my spouse is gay, I would say I was....

No real reason other than I mentioned that my spouse was black..then I just though oh duh..and gay. So that's just the way I typed it. I would have not a problem in the world telling someone I was gay. I was merely commenting on the "racist, purist, bastard" remark. ;)

[DarthRekal]

Originally Posted by onejeremytogo
I'm NOT a purist nor am I a racist. It just annoys the hell out of me when they do things like this. It's bad enough that they change everything else about the character but to change their entire race and confuse even more people is just stupid. Hey I have an idea..let's make Superman Korean..or Jesus black...it just doesn't seem right. It seems like half way through the production they're like "oh crap..we haven't met our quota of minorities...we better get someone who's not white". It's crap.


while some of these points have merit...i agree that they screw with the characters alot..... i dont think..there was a quota involved here.... Bill duke is a SUPERB Actor...dude can act the heck outa part...in my humble opinion i wouldnt mind a KOREAN superman..if he IS THE PART..then he's the part...DEAN CAIN worked(sorta)..but i think you've taken it a bit outa context....unless he was blade or storm or omega red.. captain america...where the background of the character is THE MAIN PLOT of his story then alls fair..shoot i think even spidey can be changed to suit different races..we can all relate to him

[Seeker]

Stupid Interviewer - "You have long hair. Does that makes you a woman?".
Frank Zappa - "You have a wooden leg. Does that makes you a table?".

[Lightning Strykez!]

*continues munching popcorn*

*watches debate eagerly*









:D Don't mind me. Oh, and I'm Spanish/White/African-American and Egyptian. As if anyone really cares. :p

[onejeremytogo]

allow me to interject...it has been said and this is why bolivar being black doesnt bother me... his race is not DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC of his character(okay thats redundant)...anywho..his background or race has little to do with the person he is..and its refreshing to think we as a people can interchange races to some characters we are familiar with and not skip a beat:confused:

Now allow me to reitterate what I have said in this thread. His race may not be a defining characteristic BUT I am used to him as a white guy and it annoys me when they do this. That's really all. I was giving my opinion. And as a matter of fact...his race DOES play a role. Think back..also it was mentioned in this thread...when the sentinels were introduced, the majority of the characters were white. At this time period most whites were also prejudice against one race or another...hence mutant hunting robots. How can you say that the man who invented such a racist device's background or race is insignificant? Think about that for a minute.

[Dark Beast]

Speaking of vast information and the net...scroll up, look at my post and ACTUALLY READ it this time. I never said Jesus was white. I said he was Jewish but was painted as a white man in the paintings. You are backing up what I just said. Next time understand what it is that you're arguing before you start.

As a student in Art & Culture studies I can confirm everyone that Jesus is portrayed white for many centuries in the Western world. This fact is just as curious that he is portrayed as a black by African Christians. The reason for this is very simple: by making him black/white/whatever people can see him as 'one of us'. They can relate to him and see him as a role model. There is absolutely no racism involved in this.
Some feminists claim Jesus to be a woman. 'nuff said.

This is also the reason why Superman is white. Superman is THE classic superhero. A rolemodel. He is THE perfect guy. At least, that was supposed to be the idea. And Superman looks like an American because the audience were the caucasian Americans (is that spelled right?). Do you think african Americans had money to spend on comics back in 1938? Superman became a patriotic symbol very quickly, though.

[onejeremytogo]

*continues munching popcorn*

*watches debate eagerly*









:D Don't mind me. Oh, and I'm Spanish/White/African-American and Egyptian. As if anyone really cares. :p
I bet you're hot. :)

[Lightning Strykez!]

I bet you're hot. :)

"Hotness" is in the eye of the beholder. ;)

[onejeremytogo]

"Hotness" is in the eye of the beholder. ;)

So, is it racist to say that Spanish/White/African-American and Egyptian people are generally sexy? Cause honestly...I think they are. Well..Spanish/White/African-Americans anyway..I don't think I've ever seen one with Egyptian in them but I do think that Egyptians are hot too..lol

[cookiva]

Now allow me to reitterate what I have said in this thread. His race may not be a defining characteristic BUT I am used to him as a white guy and it annoys me when they do this. That's really all. I was giving my opinion. And as a matter of fact...his race DOES play a role. Think back..also it was mentioned in this thread...when the sentinels were introduced, the majority of the characters were white. At this time period most whites were also prejudice against one race or another...hence mutant hunting robots. How can you say that the man who invented such a racist device's background or race is insignificant? Think about that for a minute.


Think about this....

Why did you have to make a new thread about this. Couldnt this have gone in Duke/Trask's official thread?

[onejeremytogo]

Think about this....

Why did you have to make a new thread about this. Couldnt this have gone in Duke/Trask's official thread?

No because this thread is more about changing characters race's.
But I can see how people would think to put it there so I'll understand if it gets moved.

[Lightning Strykez!]

So, is it racist to say that Spanish/White/African-American and Egyptian people are generally sexy? Cause honestly...I think they are. Well..Spanish/White/African-Americans anyway..I don't think I've ever seen one with Egyptian in them but I do think that Egyptians are hot too..lol

LOL It's really not that big of a deal; if you want to know what mixed Egyptian blood looks like, look to your left (avatar). ;)

Anyway, as far as racism vs. sexy: I think it's a generalization, yes. That's like saying Black Men generally have big joints, or White Women are generally submissive. There aren't 100% conclusive studies that prove this is the case for the majority of people in those brackets. It's all generalizing based on personal experience and fueled by myth--and not necessarily fact.

[DarthRekal]

Now allow me to reitterate what I have said in this thread. His race may not be a defining characteristic BUT I am used to him as a white guy and it annoys me when they do this. That's really all. I was giving my opinion. And as a matter of fact...his race DOES play a role. Think back..also it was mentioned in this thread...when the sentinels were introduced, the majority of the characters were white. At this time period most whites were also prejudice against one race or another...hence mutant hunting robots. How can you say that the man who invented such a racist device's background or race is insignificant? Think about that for a minute.

thought about and understood...now think about this... today's world WHICH THE MOVIES ARE SET TO..... we are striving to be UNIFIED..correct?? a white man trying to destroy mutants..can be written off as "there goes those power monger gringos again"... where as a black man standing up for a UNIFIED human race...goes far in expplain that a NEW type of seperatism exists(or evolved).....

how would it look if we portrayed all races BUT WHITES as tolerant of mutants????:confused:

[onejeremytogo]

LOL It's really not that big of a deal; if you want to know what mixed Egyptian blood looks like, look to your left (avatar). ;)

Anyway, as far as racism vs. sexy: I think it's a generalization, yes. That's like saying Black Men generally have big joints, or White Women are generally submissive. There aren't 100% conclusive studies that prove this is the case for the majority of people in those brackets. It's all generalizing based on personal experience and fueled by myth--and not necessarily fact.

But is it still a form a racism to say that "I find Spanish/White/African-American and Egyptian people" sexy?

[Lightning Strykez!]

But is it still a form a racism to say that "I find Spanish/White/African-American and Egyptian people" sexy?


Not in my opinion. But it would classify under "stereotype."

Why?

[onejeremytogo]

Not in my opinion. But it would classify under "stereotype."

Why?

Cause I think they're sexy! lol

[DarthRekal]

okay this thread is dead..... its gone faaaar beyond the blackness of bolivar:down

[onejeremytogo]

okay this thread is dead..... its gone faaaar beyond the blackness of bolivar:down

Nothing wrong with a little light hearted silliness in a thread where everyone's pretty much bashing me becuase I disagree with the casting choices.

[tonytr1687]

thought about and understood...now think about this... today's world WHICH THE MOVIES ARE SET TO..... we are striving to be UNIFIED..correct?? a white man trying to destroy mutants..can be written off as "there goes those power monger gringos again"... where as a black man standing up for a UNIFIED human race...goes far in expplain that a NEW type of seperatism exists(or evolved).....

how would it look if we portrayed all races BUT WHITES as tolerant of mutants????:confused:

Exactly. That's why I think it would be interesting if they showed a black man being the mutant-hating zealot this time around, which is especially needed since we're also getting Warren's father...ANOTHER old rich white man who wants mutants gone.

[DarthRekal]

Nothing wrong with a little light hearted silliness in a thread where everyone's pretty much bashing me becuase I disagree with the casting choices.

not bashing you bro..i think your point was valid...just a LITTLE skewed:up:

[onejeremytogo]

not bashing you bro..i think your point was valid...just a LITTLE skewed:up:

Thank GOD..I love you man ..lol

[Lightning Strykez!]

Exactly. That's why I think it would be interesting if they showed a black man being the mutant-hating zealot this time around, which is especially needed since we're also getting Warren's father...ANOTHER old rich white man who wants mutants gone.


I agree.

We must remember that X2 saw Xavier almost kill the entire human race. His powers didn't discriminate against color--ALL people were affected. Therefore, it's appropriate that people of all races would be intent on seeing the mutant threat gone. They balance eachother out.

[DarthRekal]

I agree.

We must remember that X2 saw Xavier almost kill the entire human race. His powers didn't discriminate against color--ALL people were affected. Therefore, it's appropriate that people of all races would be intent on seeing the mutant threat gone. They balance eachother out.

excellent point!:up:


and dont sweat it jeremy..we all have our disagreements

[josh8]

Now allow me to reitterate what I have said in this thread. His race may not be a defining characteristic BUT I am used to him as a white guy and it annoys me when they do this. That's really all. I was giving my opinion. And as a matter of fact...his race DOES play a role. Think back..also it was mentioned in this thread...when the sentinels were introduced, the majority of the characters were white. At this time period most whites were also prejudice against one race or another...hence mutant hunting robots. How can you say that the man who invented such a racist device's background or race is insignificant? Think about that for a minute.

this last argument makes much more sense than anything you've said up to this point. if you had made points like these originally, maybe people would've respected your opinions more graciously. instead, you resorted to typical fanboy responses and didnt display much intelligence when doing so. you brought up weak points and argued that no one was reading them completely, when i think most of us were hearing you loud and clear.

you're quick to point out you are not racist and even offer your gay/black spouse as evidence. i never said you're racist, but your words imply to me that you're not as tolerant as you think you may be, shaky defense and all. the "i have black/gay friends so i must not be prejudiced" holds no water with me unless you can prove that fact (not that i'm saying you have to, of course), if that's your intention.

Nothing wrong with a little light hearted silliness in a thread where everyone's pretty much bashing me becuase I disagree with the casting choices.

more likely, you disagreed with a casting situation that you thought was an attempt to throw in black people for no reason. your original statments made your intentions sound purely racial based (which is pretty much true). whenever someone here gets "bashed", it is usually warranted, and i dont see anything here that would make me think differently of this situation.

if you had just said you wanted him to be like in the comics and didnt elaborate, you probably would have been much safer. but the more you tried to explain yourself, the worse you sounded.

[MemnochZERO]

I just find the 'I'm used to him as a white guy' thing to be funny, considering he was in (only) TWO ISSUES back in the 1960s, THAT'S IT. Man, you must LOVE those two issues to be THAT effected by the change.

[neemer5]

Daredevil had a lot more to complain about than a black Kingpin. Besides, Jones was so great, and from a non-comic book geek standpoint, a black Kingpin made more sense.
Looks like they're going for some diversity in the Oval Office, as pretty much every politician seen thusfar has been a white male.
There are so many other things they didn't follow, like a tall Wolverine, a completely restyled Mystique.
Besides, if they followed the comics verbatim, it wouldn't sell to the public, nor would it be that good. XMen wouldn't travel to the films well as-is. I'd rather sacrifice a very tiny bit of authenticity for a return in quality and credibility.

[Eros]

i dun care if Trask is black,its a small part and not important. if the actor is good then thats fine. Now lets say Superman was made black, or wolverine or any of the other major X-men races were changed. Lets say spiderman was made asian kid, now those things where i could see many many people being rather upset. I promise you though they would never make a black character white....never.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I promise you though they would never make a black character white....never.


Oooohhhh yes they have. And do. :o

Take for example Nefertiri/Nefertiti--famed Egyptian Queen of old. She was allegedly a woman of color as suggested by artistic depictions i.e. the one below:

http://www.artsales.com/images/nefertiti%20restored%20(2).jpg

However, for the film Ten Commandments, while men of color like Yul Brynner were cast for Pharoah, Hollywood couldn't abide by a black woman kissing on a white actor like Charlton Heston.

So we got this...

http://www.threemoviebuffs.com/miscreview/allabouteve1.jpg

transformed into this...

http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/files/ch-moses-nefertiri-color.jpg

And this is just one example in cinema. There are others. :cool:

[Seeker]

Just to clarify things: if Jesus was born in the place he was born, he would be olive-skinned just like everyone else, and not caucasian with blue eyes.

[CASHMERE]

OK im sorry but who's Bolivar trask?

[neemer5]

I think Eros means recently, and Popular Science has a CGI Image of what Christ would look like based on biblical accounts and skull analysis of the region, no joke:

http://www.electricedge.com/greymatter/images3/jesus.jpg
I can almost see the resemblance to Jim Caviesel

[da creole kid]

bump

[Cyclops]

Did this thread really need bumping? :rolleyes: It hasn't even left the first page yet...

[jnhg]

Nick Fury was originally white, while hes been black in a couple of his own series comic books and the Ultimate line. I like Nick Fury better black :thing:.. I really don't know how much that is relevant, but maybe this guy being black isn't such a bad thing. I've also noticed ( I think in the Ultimate line) That after Daredevil Fisk all the sudden was black in the comics.

[Cyclops]

Uhhh..... no he wasn't. :confused:

I don't know what comics you've been reading, but Nick Fury is black ONLY in the Ultimate line. Nowhere else. Kingpin isn't black in any comics except the Daredevil movie adaptation.

[Seeker]

http://www.electricedge.com/greymatter/images3/jesus.jpg

Yeah, that´s a SCIENTIFICAL vision of Jesus judging by the times, the region he was born, his recorded ethnicity, etc - AND some biblical descriptions, including the ones from the Apocryphal Gospels.

He looks nice, and I´ll add my two cents: due to the INTENSE heat of the region, I seriously doubt that Jesus H. Christ would keep a long, rockstar-like hair. That would be too cumbersome.

[sparky_parker]

Am I the only person who hates it when they do this type of thing? Take a fairly well known character and change his race and even in some cases gender. They've done it in a number of movies. Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude. Not that I mind having characters that are from different races...infact I like a diverse crowd but couldn't they stick to the characters we know and love...couldn't they come up with NEW ones to fill those shoes?

Intresting... do you reckon fans would of moaned if cyclops was black in X1?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/sparky_parker/blackcyclops.jpg

what do you think?

[onejeremytogo]

I just find the 'I'm used to him as a white guy' thing to be funny, considering he was in (only) TWO ISSUES back in the 1960s, THAT'S IT. Man, you must LOVE those two issues to be THAT effected by the change.

Actually he was in three back in the sixties. #14, 15 and 16. After he was killed his son Larry Trask took over and made several appearances throughout the years. On top of that Bolivar has had many other appearances in the X-world such as the Age of Apocalypse series and the cartoon show. He was a significant character no matter how many actual issues he was in.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Intresting... do you reckon fans would of moaned if cyclops was black in X1?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/sparky_parker/blackcyclops.jpg

what do you think?

They'd cry bloody war. :o

[onejeremytogo]

this last argument makes much more sense than anything you've said up to this point. if you had made points like these originally, maybe people would've respected your opinions more graciously. instead, you resorted to typical fanboy responses and didnt display much intelligence when doing so. you brought up weak points and argued that no one was reading them completely, when i think most of us were hearing you loud and clear.

you're quick to point out you are not racist and even offer your gay/black spouse as evidence. i never said you're racist, but your words imply to me that you're not as tolerant as you think you may be, shaky defense and all. the "i have black/gay friends so i must not be prejudiced" holds no water with me unless you can prove that fact (not that i'm saying you have to, of course), if that's your intention.



more likely, you disagreed with a casting situation that you thought was an attempt to throw in black people for no reason. your original statments made your intentions sound purely racial based (which is pretty much true). whenever someone here gets "bashed", it is usually warranted, and i dont see anything here that would make me think differently of this situation.

if you had just said you wanted him to be like in the comics and didnt elaborate, you probably would have been much safer. but the more you tried to explain yourself, the worse you sounded.

One part wanting him to be like the comics, one part annoyed when they change significant characteristics i.e. hair color, powers, skin color. And about the bashing being "warrented"...
If I remember right people were B****ing and moaning about Halle Berry's eyes not being blue. Did they get bashed? There were people going off about Rogue's powers being changed...bashed? People going off about most of the characters being teens as well as a few of the characters NOT having the accents they were so widely known to have as defining characteristics in the comics...were they bashed? NO. These people were complaining about something as minor as EYE COLOR and no one thought much about it. But when they change something as significant as someones race...or when I hit a hot button...people go crazy. I fail to see how this is much different.

As far as arguing that people were not reading my posts (points).. I was specifically speaking to one person who made pretty much the same points that I did and tried to use them as a way to undermind my original statement. If you were not that person then it was not directed at you and I apologize if it seemed that way.
this last argument makes much more sense than anything you've said up to this point. if you had made points like these originally, maybe people would've respected your opinions more graciously. instead, you resorted to typical fanboy responses and didnt display much intelligence when doing so. you brought up weak points and argued that no one was reading them completely, when i think most of us were hearing you loud and clear.
I really didn't feel I needed to bring up too many points to prove my opinion which was simply...I don't like it when they change characteristics such as race and gender.

[MoiBijou]

I think Eros means recently, and Popular Science has a CGI Image of what Christ would look like based on biblical accounts and skull analysis of the region, no joke:

http://www.electricedge.com/greymatter/images3/jesus.jpg
I can almost see the resemblance to Jim Caviesel

No, he's a politician from Spain called Jaime Mayor Oreja.

http://www.estrelladigital.es/040518/fotos%5CEsp%5C18mayor.jpg

When that "Possibly Jesus" photo appeared for the first time, we were on Elections and people said "Whoa, Mayor Oreya resembles Jesus?! That's what I call a GOOD election campaing!!!"

:D:D

[LittleMissVixen]

Oooohhhh yes they have. And do. :o

Take for example Nefertiri/Nefertiti--famed Egyptian Queen of old. She was allegedly a woman of color as suggested by artistic depictions i.e. the one below:

http://www.artsales.com/images/nefertiti%20restored%20(2).jpg

However, for the film Ten Commandments, while men of color like Yul Brynner were cast for Pharoah, Hollywood couldn't abide by a black woman kissing on a white actor like Charlton Heston.

So we got this...

http://www.threemoviebuffs.com/miscreview/allabouteve1.jpg

transformed into this...

http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/files/ch-moses-nefertiri-color.jpg

And this is just one example in cinema. There are others. :cool:

Side Note: Halle Berry is developing a Nefertiri/Nefertiti biopic ;)

[Lightning Strykez!]

Side Note: Halle Berry is developing a Nefertiri/Nefertiti biopic ;)

I heard! :eek: What do you know about it? Is it going to be a silver screen film or made-for-TV deal?

[MoiBijou]

http://www.movieweb.com/news/35/6835.php
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/entertainment/30592004.htm
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/berry%20wins%20egyptian%20queen%20role

[LittleMissVixen]

I heard! :eek: What do you know about it? Is it going to be a silver screen film or made-for-TV deal?

She is developing it under her production company (Good Sheppard), so I think it might be an HBO movie or mini series. But, she is doing it with Marc Forester, the director of Monsters Ball, so it could be a feature film.

I guess time will tell. I just hope it gets made. I have always been interested in Nefertiti.

[Lightning Strykez!]

http://www.movieweb.com/news/35/6835.php
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/entertainment/30592004.htm
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/berry%20wins%20egyptian%20queen%20role


Thanks Moi! I've seen these; but has anything come up since then? These all were from almost a year ago...:confused:

[Lightning Strykez!]

She is developing it under her production company (Good Sheppard), so I think it might be an HBO movie or mini series. But, she is doing it with Marc Forester, the director of Monsters Ball, so it could be a feature film.

I guess time will tell. I just hope it gets made. I have always been interested in Nefertiti.


Yeah I hope so too--that role could be great for her. I also hope Hollywood has the balls to make that controversial story into a feature film so it gets the biggest exposure.

[LittleMissVixen]

Yeah I hope so too--that role could be great for her. I also hope Hollywood has the balls to make that controversial story into a feature film so it gets the biggest exposure.

I would be happy if it ended up on HBO. With "epics", sometimes a mini series is a better format, without them over editing key events for the sake of time and marketability in a feature film.

[MoiBijou]

Thanks Moi! I've seen these; but has anything come up since then? These all were from almost a year ago...:confused:

I've only found that the shooting starts on early 2006... that is right now. :confused: Nothing more, sorry.

[Iceman]

IMO acting ability comes first and being true to the essence of the character - this is why Hugh Jackman works as Wolverine despite not having a similar stature

but similarity of appearance is also of secondary importance
look at the likenesses for Xavier/Cyclops/Colossus/Jean etc
& that includes skin colour

I couldn't imagine a white Storm!!

Skin colour is not an important part of Bolivar Trask's identity but if you can find an actor who is equal to Bill Duke in every aspect who is white then skin colour, although a relatively minor factor, should come into consideration.

[Inhuman63]

After reading through this post and several others on this type of topic I just want to say I don't understand the big deal that some people have with changing a secondary character skin color. To be honest though, being an African-American, I woiuld be extremely upset if they made a Marvel movie and changed a major black character's skin color. I mean there are only about 6 major black character's that I can think of in the Marvel Universe and I don't think all of them is that major. Be that as it may, since the majority of comic book characters are caucasian, they are the characters most likely to be changed if the movies are going to reflect the real world. As long as the skin color is not a defining characteristic of the person, there really should be no problem. Let the actor give the character life. Over the years a lot of minority characters were played by caucasians because that is what American society dictated or at least that is what the studios felt the American public wanted at that time. Since we are living in supposedly more inclusive society, let the movie comic world reflect that. It can't be reflected in the comic book world because those characters have been defined for close to 40 years or more. But maybe the people that disagree with the change in skin color of a character had the same reaction that I had when I first saw the Black Panther. I was thrilled, excited and inspired to see someone that looked like me in a comic book. Maybe some of these characters in the comics carry strong identification for them. I don't know why, but maybe. Anyway, I think that Bill Duke will do a great job in whatever role he is playing. He is an excellent actor and is able to convey what he needs to across the screen.

[Iceman]

After reading through this post and several others on this type of topic I just want to say I don't understand the big deal that some people have with changing a secondary character skin color. To be honest though, being an African-American, I woiuld be extremely upset if they made a Marvel movie and changed a major black character's skin color. I mean there are only about 6 major black character's that I can think of in the Marvel Universe and I don't think all of them is that major. Be that as it may, since the majority of comic book characters are caucasian, they are the characters most likely to be changed if the movies are going to reflect the real world. As long as the skin color is not a defining characteristic of the person, there really should be no problem. Let the actor give the character life. Over the years a lot of minority characters were played by caucasians because that is what American society dictated or at least that is what the studios felt the American public wanted at that time. Since we are living in supposedly more inclusive society, let the movie comic world reflect that. It can't be reflected in the comic book world because those characters have been defined for close to 40 years or more. But maybe the people that disagree with the change in skin color of a character had the same reaction that I had when I first saw the Black Panther. I was thrilled, excited and inspired to see someone that looked like me in a comic book. Maybe some of these characters in the comics carry strong identification for them. I don't know why, but maybe. Anyway, I think that Bill Duke will do a great job in whatever role he is playing. He is an excellent actor and is able to convey what he needs to across the screen.

Bill Duke is a legend & will be great if he is playing the role of Bolivar Trask, a character whose race is not particularly important to his identity.

The underlying problem here lies in the the historical lack of non caucasian characters within comic books. The industry needs to evolve by creating and supporting more strong characters from around the globe (X-Men is one of the few places where this has been attempted) so that the industry is more reflective of today's society.

There would be outrage amongst X-fans if the likes of Bishop or Storm were changed to become caucasian. It is not simply a race issue. I think fans would be equally upset if Jean Grey was given black instead of red hair or Cyclops given super strength instead of optic blasts & don't even mention those rumours of Angel being female!!

Fans only wish to see the characters they know and love come to life on screen and anything that can cause the suspension of this belief can pose a potential obstacle to their enjoyment.

[ctvampslayer]

Movieverse = NOT 616. The movieverse's Bolivar Trask just happens to be black. Mystique also happens to be scaly. Oh well. If these were direct comic-to-film translations then I could see you being mad, but they're not. They're a whole different reality.

[ctvampslayer]

whoops.

[deemar325]

After reading through this post and several others on this type of topic I just want to say I don't understand the big deal that some people have with changing a secondary character skin color. To be honest though, being an African-American, I woiuld be extremely upset if they made a Marvel movie and changed a major black character's skin color. I mean there are only about 6 major black character's that I can think of in the Marvel Universe and I don't think all of them is that major. Be that as it may, since the majority of comic book characters are caucasian, they are the characters most likely to be changed if the movies are going to reflect the real world. As long as the skin color is not a defining characteristic of the person, there really should be no problem. Let the actor give the character life. Over the years a lot of minority characters were played by caucasians because that is what American society dictated or at least that is what the studios felt the American public wanted at that time. Since we are living in supposedly more inclusive society, let the movie comic world reflect that. It can't be reflected in the comic book world because those characters have been defined for close to 40 years or more. But maybe the people that disagree with the change in skin color of a character had the same reaction that I had when I first saw the Black Panther. I was thrilled, excited and inspired to see someone that looked like me in a comic book. Maybe some of these characters in the comics carry strong identification for them. I don't know why, but maybe. Anyway, I think that Bill Duke will do a great job in whatever role he is playing. He is an excellent actor and is able to convey what he needs to across the screen.

I'm with ya. :up:

[Quing]

Not sure if this has been argued already, but I'm too lazy to read back.

The movies are not supposed to be the 616 universe. They are an alternate universe, and in alternate universes, things change. Look at the Ultimate universe. Nick Fury is black. It doesn't matter, because it's still pretty much the same character. There are going to be differences in all of the different universes. They'll borrow things from other universes as well as create new things for this one. But fundamentally, the characters are the same. Same powers, same viewpoints. Race really doesn't matter.

[onejeremytogo]

Bill Duke is a legend & will be great if he is playing the role of Bolivar Trask, a character whose race is not particularly important to his identity.

The underlying problem here lies in the the historical lack of non caucasian characters within comic books. The industry needs to evolve by creating and supporting more strong characters from around the globe (X-Men is one of the few places where this has been attempted) so that the industry is more reflective of today's society.

There would be outrage amongst X-fans if the likes of Bishop or Storm were changed to become caucasian. It is not simply a race issue. I think fans would be equally upset if Jean Grey was given black instead of red hair or Cyclops given super strength instead of optic blasts & don't even mention those rumours of Angel being female!!

Fans only wish to see the characters they know and love come to life on screen and anything that can cause the suspension of this belief can pose a potential obstacle to their enjoyment.

:up:

[Seeker]

Skin colour is not an important part of Bolivar Trask's identity but if you can find an actor who is equal to Bill Duke in every aspect who is white then skin colour, although a relatively minor factor, should come into consideration.

There´s LOTS of caucasian actors who are equal or even superior to Duke, but I say: let´s give Duke a chance to shine! Have you noticed how many film careers were boosted by both X-Men movies? Rebecca´s is one of ´em.

[cookiva]

Halle
Hugh
Marsden
Paquin
Ashmore


Shall I continue with the people who have become bigger celebs due to Xmen???

[Seeker]

Shall ya.

[cookiva]

Stanford is becoming bigger
Rebecca
Ellen Page was getting pretty big in the indie film world before X3, and Im sure she will be huge one day....
Dania Ramirez

[Seeker]

And the list goes on. In fact, comic book movies helped boost a lot of other careers as well. Eric Banana, for example.

[cookiva]

Hahaha, banana...

[onejeremytogo]

Not sure if this has been argued already, but I'm too lazy to read back.

The movies are not supposed to be the 616 universe. They are an alternate universe, and in alternate universes, things change. Look at the Ultimate universe. Nick Fury is black. It doesn't matter, because it's still pretty much the same character. There are going to be differences in all of the different universes. They'll borrow things from other universes as well as create new things for this one. But fundamentally, the characters are the same. Same powers, same viewpoints. Race really doesn't matter.
First off, if anyone HAS said that the movies are an alternate universe...it's probably just a means to justify what the director wants to do to the film. IMO. And about Marvel making Nick Fury black..I wouldn't use that as an example...he's almost as useless a character as some say Trask is. I think if Marvel really wanted to put in African-American characters..they would. Instead of taking a crappy, non superherolike egotist like Fury. They wanted to have a "major" character as a minority so they took the least liked "major" character. They could have just invented a cool black character. They did with Storm and to be honest she is my absolute favorite. And as I said before..I'd be ticked if they made her white.
And one more thing about the Nick Fury comment...read this.
http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Comics&action=page&obj_id=39611

[Seeker]

I still want a Luke Cage movie. Set in the 70´s.

[cookiva]

So wait, you are now arguing for Duke playing Trask??? I dont understand...

You say that it doesnt matter when a big character like Fury is black or white, but when a small character like Trask is, you are saying "Woah, wait guys, this is stupid".....

[deemar325]

First off, if anyone HAS said that the movies are an alternate universe...it's probably just a means to justify what the director wants to do to the film. IMO. And about Marvel making Nick Fury black..I wouldn't use that as an example...he's almost as useless a character as some say Trask is. I think if Marvel really wanted to put in African-American characters..they would. Instead of taking a crappy, non superherolike egotist like Fury. They wanted to have a "major" character as a minority so they took the least liked "major" character. They could have just invented a cool black character. They did with Storm and to be honest she is my absolute favorite. And as I said before..I'd be ticked if they made her white.
And one more thing about the Nick Fury comment...read this.
http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Comics&action=page&obj_id=39611


Dude Nick Fury is a major Character in Marvel comics, useless? I can think of some other people who are useless...:rolleyes:

[onejeremytogo]

Dude Nick Fury is a major Character in Marvel comics, useless? I can think of some other people who are useless...:rolleyes:

Yes as I said..he is a "major" character...just probably the least liked "major" character. And before we go any further with this read the link.

[cookiva]

Yes as I said..he is a "major" character...just probably the least liked "major" character. And before we go any further with this read the link.

Oh, because one site says that means everyone thinks that. I could find Nazi Propoganda sites that say go hitler, but it doesnt mean everyone believes it...

[onejeremytogo]

Oh, because one site says that means everyone thinks that. I could find Nazi Propoganda sites that say go hitler, but it doesnt mean everyone believes it...

Hmm true. However, this is a BLACK SUPER HERO Website where African-American's are complaining about Marvel changing someone as lame as Fury to a black guy. These guys say pretty much the same thing I said.. you want black characters..make 'em. Don't change some lamo into an african american just for the sake of having black characters. These characters need to develop. Most characters have developed for 20-40 years. By doing this you don't give this character time to develop as an African-American. It's unfair. And once again...please read the article before you bash it. If you're not going to read it then please don't argue for the sake of arguing.

[cookiva]

Ugh, it more bashes african american characters, rather than singling out Fury. It does talk about him, but in doing so, compares him to others which the author says are lame...

[onejeremytogo]

Ugh, it more bashes african american characters, rather than singling out Fury. It does talk about him, but in doing so, compares him to others which the author says are lame...

Did you even read it? The entire page talks about NOTHING but Fury being black.

[cookiva]

Oh, so this line has nothing to do with the fact that he doesnt like Fury.

"I have never liked black superheroes and I don't really think that they are believable".

Its just a guy who hates african american superheros....

[onejeremytogo]

Oh, so this line has nothing to do with the fact that he doesnt like Fury.

"I have never liked black superheroes and I don't really think that they are believable".

Its just a guy who hates african american superheros....

Thats one person out of many on that page. you have to read down further. I could take the one German out of 100 who is a nazi and get him to say the same thing about Jews. Doesn't mean the other 99 agree..you have to keep reading. :)

[cookiva]

By showing that quote, it shows that there are people who just dont like characters because of their skin, which is how this whole debate started. We feared thats what you felt.....now we know its not the case with you, man...

congrats on reaching 100 posts...only 200 more until you get your avy!

[onejeremytogo]

By showing that quote, it shows that there are people who just dont like characters because of their skin, which is how this whole debate started. We feared thats what you felt.....now we know its not the case with you, man...

congrats on reaching 100 posts...only 200 more until you get your avy!
Thanks. And I know there are people out there that are like that. Hell I know a couple. There are also people who feel the same way I do (about Fury right now) and unfortunately it's just an opinion and the only way to get factual proof that the majority feels this way is to ask every comic fan which we know isn't going to happen. So basically we are back to the fact that this is my opinion. And the biggest reason that this IS what I feel is because I think they should make it fair that is not taking away from characters just to add in minorites. Again if they want African-American characters...create them. Don't make them a cheap rip off. Give them their chance.

If I'm 100 does that make it my SHH birthday?

[cookiva]

If I'm 100 does that make it my SHH birthday?


I guess....? Sure!

[Seeker]

Yes as I said..he is a "major" character...just probably the least liked "major" character. And before we go any further with this read the link.

Least liked by neophytes like YOU.

Everyone worth it´s salt on comics loves the Steranko run on Nick Fury - Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[deemar325]

Yes as I said..he is a "major" character...just probably the least liked "major" character. And before we go any further with this read the link.


Dah yum! that one guy was a dirtbag, African Americans couldn't be believable as superheroes? that guy must have gotten his ass beat growing up by some brothas or he's from Texas.

Me personally MLK and Malcolm X where my superheroes, hell there probaly wouldn't be a Professor X or Magneto without them, and Michael Jordan is Black Superman fo'real! Plus this guy comes off knocking the black culture about "rap this, b--tches that..blah..blah.." like white guys ain't got heavy metal , Marylin Manson, sickos like Gwar,Pantera, Geffory Dahmer and Bill O'Reilly *joking,or am I?* we both got issues.

But I digress I'll keep on reading Ultimates with 'Black Nick Fury'

[ironmaidenrules]

once again i ask

if race doesn't matter, then why change it?

[Quing]

First off, if anyone HAS said that the movies are an alternate universe...it's probably just a means to justify what the director wants to do to the film. IMO. And about Marvel making Nick Fury black..I wouldn't use that as an example...he's almost as useless a character as some say Trask is. I think if Marvel really wanted to put in African-American characters..they would. Instead of taking a crappy, non superherolike egotist like Fury. They wanted to have a "major" character as a minority so they took the least liked "major" character. They could have just invented a cool black character. They did with Storm and to be honest she is my absolute favorite. And as I said before..I'd be ticked if they made her white.
And one more thing about the Nick Fury comment...read this.
http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Comics&action=page&obj_id=39611

If a new character was created simply because they felt they needed an African American character in the movies, people would complain. People would say, "Why couldn't they have used a recycled comics character instead of this? There are literally thousands of possible characters in the universe!"

Changing Storm to a white woman is an extreme example. Storm is the way she is, and she's been that way since the beginning. That's her history, you can't have Storm without having her be black. Everyone knows Storm, could pick her out of a line-up. Storm is the black woman with the white hair. If someone gave the average person a bunch of pictures and asked them to pick out someone named Bolivar Trask or Nick Fury, the chances of them picking the right person are slim. Unless Fury is making an angry face. Then, they might be more likely to pick him. The point is, though, that their race is not an integral part of their character. They never go into how being white or being black shaped their lives. Because as far as we know, it didn't. So it doesn't matter if they change their race. We should be glad that they're using the character. It's the character that matters, not the character's ethnic or racial background.

Also, an editorial is not acceptable as "proof" for anything. It is simply someone else's opinion, albeit written much purdier than any of us are writing. That doesn't make it a case study or anything. That just makes it one more person's opinion.

[onejeremytogo]

Least liked by neophytes like YOU.

Everyone worth it´s salt on comics loves the Steranko run on Nick Fury - Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Neophyte? Hardly. I've been coming to these boards for over 2 years now. Just because I didn't start posting until mid last year doesn't mean I don't keep up. Also, I've been faitfully reading the X-men for over 15 years. So do not start name calling. I am however glad to see that you've learned a new word and enjoy boasting the fact whenever the opportunity arises. In the future please don't take yourself back to the level of tossing out epithats. It's chilidish.

[onejeremytogo]

Double post...let the flaming begin. :)

[onejeremytogo]

Dah yum! that one guy was a dirtbag, African Americans couldn't be believable as superheroes? that guy must have gotten his ass beat growing up by some brothas or he's from Texas.

Me personally MLK and Malcolm X where my superheroes, hell there probaly wouldn't be a Professor X or Magneto without them, and Michael Jordan is Black Superman fo'real! Plus this guy comes off knocking the black culture about "rap this, b--tches that..blah..blah.." like white guys ain't got heavy metal , Marylin Manson, sickos like Gwar,Pantera, Geffory Dahmer and Bill O'Reilly *joking,or am I?* we both got issues.

But I digress I'll keep on reading Ultimates with 'Black Nick Fury'

Yeah there were a couple of "edgy" words in that thread. I posted it only to show that there were a lot of other's who thought Fury shouldn't have been changed. NO other reason. I am in no way saying that I totally agree with any of them. Just showing that there were others that shared my thought on Fury ONLY. I for one like black super heroes...just not rehashed white ones.

[Seeker]

Neophyte? Hardly. I've been coming to these boards for over 2 years now.

And I´ve been reading comics way before the Fantastic Four was created in 1963. I win.

[deemar325]

And I´ve been reading comics way before the Fantastic Four was created in 1963. I win.


Man your an ancient bastard. So where you like into DC before Timely became Marvel?

[Seeker]

Man your an ancient bastard. So where you like into DC before Timely became Marvel?

Let´s say that, when I started reading comics when I was 6 years old, the Human Torch was still an android. And leave it as that...

[WalkingDead]

Let´s say that, when I started reading comics when I was 6 years old, the Human Torch was still an android. And leave it as that...

Awesome...just awesome!

Man, so cool...haha...

[deemar325]

Let´s say that, when I started reading comics when I was 6 years old, the Human Torch was still an android. And leave it as that...

Hey back in the day where people getting all pissed cause they started bringing out minority superheroes?

[N_z0]

Nick Fury does have (or atleast did have) a distinctive look in the comics. He's a brunette with white hair on his sideburns. Kinda like Mr. Fantastic only angrier and with an eyepatch. :D

That said, would everyone be alright with having Mr. Fanstastic as a black guy?

I think the complaints that characters are turned black in their movie incarnations mainly stems from the fact that said characters are usually villains. Can't say i blame the naysayers.

[josh8]

once again i ask

if race doesn't matter, then why change it?

why not? it doesnt matter, right? (obvious answer to a rediculous question)


onejeremytogo, you contradict yourself so much.

[MJB]

Thanks. And I know there are people out there that are like that. Hell I know a couple. There are also people who feel the same way I do (about Fury right now) and unfortunately it's just an opinion and the only way to get factual proof that the majority feels this way is to ask every comic fan which we know isn't going to happen. So basically we are back to the fact that this is my opinion. And the biggest reason that this IS what I feel is because I think they should make it fair that is not taking away from characters just to add in minorites. Again if they want African-American characters...create them. Don't make them a cheap rip off. Give them their chance.

If I'm 100 does that make it my SHH birthday?


Oh jeez just would you please give it a rest!! Sweet Jebus enough already. This isn't about changeing a characters race it's about the fact that the character was changed to a black person. I wish people would just speak the truth. d@mn be a man or woman cause it's not like any of us know who you really are. I've been on these boards long enough to see what topics of hate get the most play and it's always about blacks more then anything else, especially when a white character that was created years ago when comic creators never bothered with pesky things like diviersity.

[Seeker]

Hey back in the day where people getting all pissed cause they started bringing out minority superheroes?

That came years later.

And yes, people got really pissed with the appearance of Black Panther, Luke Cage et al. I remember that, being black and all.

[ironmaidenrules]

why not? it doesnt matter, right? (obvious answer to a rediculous question)


onejeremytogo, you contradict yourself so much.

only reason would be if the black actor was the only person able to play the role
not to hard to find a tall
white guy in a lab coat

they changed it so people would talk about it, dare to be different

[Lightning Strykez!]

I honestly never thought this thread would go the distance.

*sigh* :o

[Quing]

I honestly never thought this thread would go the distance.

*sigh* :o

... and now that "I can go the distance" Disney song is stuck in my head. Thanks. :)

[onejeremytogo]

Oh jeez just would you please give it a rest!! Sweet Jebus enough already. This isn't about changeing a characters race it's about the fact that the character was changed to a black person. I wish people would just speak the truth. d@mn be a man or woman cause it's not like any of us know who you really are. I've been on these boards long enough to see what topics of hate get the most play and it's always about blacks more then anything else, especially when a white character that was created years ago when comic creators never bothered with pesky things like diviersity.

The truth? I thought I WAS speaking the truth. I don't like it when they change characters races. How am I lying about that?? And as far as the "fact that a character was changed to a BLACK man" thing... lol NOPE! The reason it's about him being changed to black is because he was...well...changed to black moron. If he had been changed to Korean I would be sitting here saying the same thing. So stop trying to imply that I dislike African-American's because that is NOT the case. Infact..don't imply that you know anything about me other than what I have said in this thread because it is the only thing relevant to this discussion at the current point in time.

And I can't remember who but someone said I contradict myself... PLEASE ELABORATE?


Geez.... I Hate it when people disagree with your opinon so they try to dub you as a racist.:mad:

[the Firestarter]

i too prefer when actors of the same ethnic / racial backgrounds are chosen to portray known comic book characters, esp when their backgrounds have an influence over their character. however, in the case of bolivar trask i don't think it really matters much. the character is pretty generic and his background is not very important to his idiology. i just hope they picked the best actor for the part.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Geez.... I Hate it when people disagree with your opinon so they try to dub you as a racist.:mad:

Get used to it; 'tis the disadvantage of being in the Internet Land of Passive Aggressiva--where people cannot see your face, but only your words.

I created several threads with regards to this very same subject and there was always someone who accused me of being racist--even though I'm a man of colour myself. :rolleyes:

[ctvampslayer]

Somone's been watching Grey's Anatomy...

[Neptune]

i too prefer when actors of the same ethnic / racial backgrounds are chosen to portray known comic book characters, esp when their backgrounds have an influence over their character. however, in the case of bolivar trask i don't think it really matters much. the character is pretty generic and his background is not very important to his idiology. i just hope they picked the best actor for the part.


:up: :up: :up:

[MJB]

The reason it's about him being changed to black is because he was...well...changed to black moron. :


Um who are you talking about? Aren't we talking about Trash's race being changed? What Black Moron are you talking about????

[onejeremytogo]

Um who are you talking about? Aren't we talking about Trash's race being changed? What Black Moron are you talking about????
OMG LMAO... you're reading it wrong man.I said his race was changed to black. Then I called you a moron. NOT black moron but black......moron.
:)

[onejeremytogo]

Get used to it; 'tis the disadvantage of being in the Internet Land of Passive Aggressiva--where people cannot see your face, but only your words.

I created several threads with regards to this very same subject and there was always someone who accused me of being racist--even though I'm a man of colour myself. :rolleyes:

I know I know..I've been a memeber of many other message boards and there are always those close minded dolts who instead of listening and trying to understand things from your point of view, bash you and call YOU the one with a close mind. Cracks me up.

OH and this "For the love of God!!! "Casted" is NOT a word!"....that's great. LOL

[deemar325]

That came years later.

And yes, people got really pissed with the appearance of Black Panther, Luke Cage et al. I remember that, being black and all.


That's crazy! people can be so stupid it boggles the mind.:(

[Lightning Strykez!]

Somone's been watching Grey's Anatomy...


LOL :p

[Seeker]

Somone's been watching Grey's Anatomy...

I prefer Jean Grey´s anatomy myself, but... well...

[Norm3]

My beef has more with the change in character. Did they need to create a totally different character then use a the name of a well know CB character? Now they will not be able to go with the Trask Sentinel storyline as in the CB. They could have called Bill Duke any name & save Trask for the future but Ratner just isn't a fan or he wouldn't have done that.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Am I the only person who hates it when they do this type of thing? Take a fairly well known character and change his race and even in some cases gender. They've done it in a number of movies. Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude. Not that I mind having characters that are from different races...infact I like a diverse crowd but couldn't they stick to the characters we know and love...couldn't they come up with NEW ones to fill those shoes?

No no no no no!!! Your Title is misleading!!! It's not that Bolivar Trask is black. It's that Bill Dukes aka Mac from Predator is playing Bolivar Trask. I mean I was half expecting Arnold and the Predator sitting at the roundtable.

[LuvinAlize]

My beef has more with the change in character. Did they need to create a totally different character then use a the name of a well know CB character? Now they will not be able to go with the Trask Sentinel storyline as in the CB. They could have called Bill Duke any name & save Trask for the future but Ratner just isn't a fan or he wouldn't have done that.

I feel that way too! I dont care that trask is black... I think Bill Duke is a great actor... I've loved him in Commando and Predator, among other films. He's awesome! But my disappointment is that they used his name just because he was a name from the books. Its like putting the sentinel head in the danger room, they were both added as a nod to the fans. But I think most fans would have preferred them left out if not done correctly. Like the sentinels could have been a big storyline in future movies... Trask/duke can still play the role of sentinel creator, but the mere fact that that seed wasnt planted in this movie was really disappointing...not even a mention... BUT this is the LAST STAND, last film right? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[pyro9vivacita]

Bill Duke did not play Boliviar Trask but Gen. Trask who is a totally different person!!!!! So it does not matter what race he is.

[GhostPoet]

Am I the only person who hates it when they do this type of thing? Take a fairly well known character and change his race and even in some cases gender. They've done it in a number of movies. Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude. Not that I mind having characters that are from different races...infact I like a diverse crowd but couldn't they stick to the characters we know and love...couldn't they come up with NEW ones to fill those shoes?

In this reality. Yes. He's black.

Just like in some realities Beast is a cat.

[Norm3]

We don't need Nods that could screw up major continuity. Its shows me that Ratner doesn't know the material otherwise he would have made up a name for Dukes character.

[LuvinAlize]

We don't need Nods that could screw up major continuity. Its shows me that Ratner doesn't know the material otherwise he would have made up a name for Dukes character.
thats exactly right... I'm sure he did add certain characters, certain elements, certain powers in an attempt to please the fans, but at the same time I dont think he knew the material well enough, as say Bryan Singer. But he tried and we got an awesome action flick, despite misuse of source material... I wonder what fanboy writers kinberg and penn thought about everything that Ratner was adding or misusing...

[Norm3]

Its really Marvel & Avi Arad's fault. There should be someone to oversee continuity between the comic books and the movies. Isn't that something Avi Arad and his crew should be doing. George Lucas always has some part of Lucasfilm tell authors of future Star Wars books what they can and cannot use, or which way to use them. Until Marvel creates something like that we will continue to get directors who don't know the continuity and continue to screw it up.

[hulkamania85]

Am I the only person who hates it when they do this type of thing? Take a fairly well known character and change his race and even in some cases gender. They've done it in a number of movies. Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude. Not that I mind having characters that are from different races...infact I like a diverse crowd but couldn't they stick to the characters we know and love...couldn't they come up with NEW ones to fill those shoes?

Why does it even matter? Was Trask being white ever a big deal? Was it a big deal for the movie? Bill Duke is cool (I was hoping to see him wipe sweat with a razor blade when they were going up against the mutants though).

Michael Clarke Duncan was the best choice for Kingpin IMO. Even though he isn't white he looks more like the Kingpin than any actor I can think of.

[TNC9852002]

They could still set up his character for a future film...

-TNC

[Norm3]

They could still set up his character for a future film...

-TNC

I agree, that's why it was so unnecessary to use the Trask name to start with.

[ShakiraRocks]

Am I the only person who hates it when they do this type of thing? Take a fairly well known character and change his race and even in some cases gender. They've done it in a number of movies. Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude. Not that I mind having characters that are from different races...infact I like a diverse crowd but couldn't they stick to the characters we know and love...couldn't they come up with NEW ones to fill those shoes?

Wow, it shouldn't really bother you unless you are an ingorant raciest jerk from america's wasteland.



Oh wait you are from Indiana, thats why, sorry.

[JokerNick]

... and now that "I can go the distance" Disney song is stuck in my head. Thanks. :)

he's going the distance, he's going for speed, she's all alone in a time of need..........

[Norm3]

I want comic book to movie continuity. As close as they can possibly make it match in all aspects of the movie. That's all I want out of my comic book movies!

[The Kid]

Is he THE trask. Maybe he's just a guy named trask. I know a few people who have my first and last name out there. just thinking outloud here.

[TNC9852002]

I agree, that's why it was so unnecessary to use the Trask name to start with.
That's probably why they DID use the name. Why would they bother creating a new character when they can loosely base it on a pre-existing character? This reminds me of the Jason Stryker thing...

I didn't hear any complaints about them putting Gyrich in the first movie when he could've just been "Mr. Smith" or something...

-TNC

[Norm3]

I heard complaints about Gyrich.

[Norm3]

I want to add I was not happy with the way they killed Senator Kelly in the very first movie. He's the one that should have been leading the way for all three movies.

[BMM]

That's probably why they DID use the name. Why would they bother creating a new character when they can loosely base it on a pre-existing character? This reminds me of the Jason Stryker thing...

I didn't hear any complaints about them putting Gyrich in the first movie when he could've just been "Mr. Smith" or something...

-TNC

I think there's a bit of a difference between Gyrich's representation and Trask's.

[bes628]

well if this is not the most racist thread ive witnessed on here..why does it even matter. Wesley Snipes played Blade perfectly, matter of fact i didnt even know Blade was a Comicbook charatcer till after the 3rd movie, MCD nailed the Kingpin and Duke did a good job with Trask why all the hate.

[PoserANTI-hero]

well if this is not the most racist thread ive witnessed on here..why does it even matter. Wesley Snipes played Blade perfectly, matter of fact i didnt even know Blade was a Comicbook charatcer till after the 3rd movie, MCD nailed the Kingpin and Duke did a good job with Trask why all the hate.
That's a bad analogy. Blade was black in the comics AND the movies. Trask was white in the comics and black in the movies. We're discussing the lack of continuity not racism.

[Warhammer]

well if this is not the most racist thread ive witnessed on here..why does it even matter. Wesley Snipes played Blade perfectly, matter of fact i didnt even know Blade was a Comicbook charatcer till after the 3rd movie, MCD nailed the Kingpin and Duke did a good job with Trask why all the hate.

I do agree that this is a pretty racist thread.

Why should it matter if Trask is black?
It's no big deal.
It's not like they made Wolverine or the Professor black.
Trask had a small role anyway.

[Pinoy98]

Bolivar Trask being black...Not bad idea



But the fact that he didn't make the sentinels and doesn't have too much of a reason to hate mutants....bad.

[Norm3]

I'm glad everyones happy because Matt Damon will be playing Blade in Blade 4!:eek:

[Knightsaber Priss]

Bill Duke did not play Boliviar Trask but Gen. Trask who is a totally different person!!!!! So it does not matter what race he is.

I hate to give you a wake up call, but so far General Trask and Bolivar Trask are one and the same. They're pulling a revisionist X-Men Evolution stunt with this comic character.

[Warhammer]

I'm glad everyones happy because Matt Damon will be playing Blade in Blade 4!:eek:

Something like that would be outrageous, because Blade is a big name character, not Trask.

Sure Trask is an important character, but he isn't one of the Hallmark characters of X-Men if you know what I mean.

[Norm3]

We know that.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Bolivar Trask being black...Not bad idea



But the fact that he didn't make the sentinels and doesn't have too much of a reason to hate mutants....bad.

Well, Trask wasn't given too meaty of a part in X3 though. We basically know nothing about the guy save for his name and that he works for Homeland Security. That's not to say that Trask will not be involved with the Sentinels down the line. But I thought of Trask as being more Latino than African American.

[Norm3]

But when it come to the Sentinels he's a major character.

[Matt]

Dare Devil being one where they took Fisk and magically changed him from a short white guy to a tall black dude.

Wilson Fisk has never been short. As for Trask, they also seemed to make him secretary of defense...but its not that big of a deal.

[Jan Irisi]

Wilson Fisk has never been short. As for Trask, they also seemed to make him secretary of defense...but its not that big of a deal.


I thought he was Secretary of Homeland Security?

[Norm3]

It seems some don't know the history of this guy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivar_Trask

You will see how Ratner ripped off Angels Dad's story line from Trask as well.

[Warhammer]

But when it come to the Sentinels he's a major character.

Ok, He is important, but not a recognizable character.
Why does race matter so much to people?

[Warhammer]

It seems some don't know the history of this guy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivar_Trask

You will see how Ratner ripped off Angels Dad's story line from Trask as well.

We don't need your link, we know who he is.
Race shouldn't matter in Trask's case.
Get over yourself.

[Norm3]

Where did I say race in any of my posts other than the Damon JOKE!

[Warhammer]

Where did I say race in any of my posts other than the Damon JOKE!

Oh crap.
I mistaken you for someone else.

Sorry. :(

Thought you were onejeremytogo.

[Knightsaber Priss]

You know, I just want to see Bill Dukes in a jungle type setting again. My fave lines from the man as Mac were the ones given to him for his speech while guarding his fallen comrade's dead corpse. I wonder if he still remembers that line. If they do have Genosha and the Sentinels, it would be a neat for me to be on that jungle set to hear him saying that speech.