Teen Titans/Titans Discussion Thread

[Colossal Spoons]

Hmm, if that's the case then I see some sneaky plotting by STAR labs involved. But this time hopefully Lex will leave him the F alone :(

[Fledermaus]

If Lex Luthor leaves him the F alone, it won't be the same Conner. The Luthor side of his personality was still a part of his personality.
Here's something I thought of. Everybody knows that Nightwing was supposed to die, not Superboy. Remember "Titans of Tommorow"? Conner telling Robin that he made him(Conner) that way? I wonder what the original meaning of that statement was? A lot of people add that statement to Tim's attempted cloning experiment and get to the ToT Conner is the clone that Tim made. But at the time of ToT's writing, was Superboy's death in the cards?

[Colossal Spoons]

Of course he'll still have that part of Lex's personality. I just meant for Lex to stop contacting him and trying to take him over. :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Good Question one that should be answered. Although I do wonder if Nightwings death would have had a bigger impact in the DCU then Conners??? I mean Dick was the first Robin, was friends with just about every superhero and everything so would his death have a bigger impact or not? Because so far Conner's has had little impact expect for Cassie.

[Colossal Spoons]

Robin's pretty shaken up about it too.

So much happened to the Titans, that Conner's death just kinda godd "added to the list"

[Emerald Knight]

Good Question one that should be answered. Although I do wonder if Nightwings death would have had a bigger impact in the DCU then Conners??? I mean Dick was the first Robin, was friends with just about every superhero and everything so would his death have a bigger impact or not? Because so far Conner's has had little impact expect for Cassie.

Well, there's Robin, who's been obsessively trying to "re-clone" the boy of steel, there's that Cult of Conner, that made Ralph go loopy over a doll with his wife's face, the Titans have been disarray for a year...

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well, there's Robin, who's been obsessively trying to "re-clone" the boy of steel, there's that Cult of Conner, that made Ralph go loopy over a doll with his wife's face, the Titans have been disarray for a year...But what long lasting effect took place???? Robin has given up on clone Conner and Cassie well she is sane again. If it was Dick who died I think Batman would still be feeling the effect of this as well as the outsiders as well as Superman and The Titans and JLA as well as JSA as well as Donna. I mean ***** death would have had a long lasting wider impact. Look at Superman he cares more about Boosters Death then Conners. The only people who really care about Conners death was Robin (thats untill he gets some wonder ass) Cassie and Lex. The impact it should have had isnt shown thats all.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I mean remember the first crisis Barry's death is still felt to this day. Supergirl's death until the reboot was still felt Conner's on the other hand isn't I mean I would have atleast expect the Flash to say something about it or deal with it but he hasn't.

[Emerald Knight]

Superman has never really shown that he cares much of what happens to Conner anyways...all Supes did was give him half his DNA, a home with the Kents and a superdog.

[Emerald Knight]

I mean remember the first crisis Barry's death is still felt to this day. Supergirl's death until the reboot was still felt Conner's on the other hand isn't I mean I would have atleast expect the Flash to say something about it or deal with it but he hasn't.

Well, after the first Crisis, we didn't see things jump ahead a year. A year is an ample amount of greiving time for the world. So the world's kinda moved on, I guess.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ah yes, I guess it has been a year.

[Fledermaus]

If Nightwing would have died, it would kicked the whole "light-hearted" Batman idea right in the nuts. I mean, damn. He adopted Dick, loved him like a son. Imagine how dark and driven he would be now. And not just Batman I think the whole DCU would have been more affected than with Conners.

[GoldenAgeHero]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5497/1066/1600/ravendesigns.jpg

[posted by tony daniel]:Here's two versions of what I initially designed for Raven. We went with the one on the right. It covers her whole body, which I think is more suitable to her personality. The gem belt was derived from the cartoon because I think it translated well.

[Charlie No-One]

First one is better. The second one makes me her look younger.

[The Batman]

If Lex Luthor leaves him the F alone, it won't be the same Conner. The Luthor side of his personality was still a part of his personality.



Do people forget that conner was around a good ten years before the lex luthor retcon?

[GoldenAgeHero]

it really does'nt matter now tho.

[spiderbob]

First one is better. The second one makes me her look younger.

Actually, I like the second one better for pretty much the reasons stated above.

[Charlie No-One]

She looks like a preteen.

[Green Lantern]

I mean remember the first crisis Barry's death is still felt to this day. Supergirl's death until the reboot was still felt Conner's on the other hand isn't I mean I would have atleast expect the Flash to say something about it or deal with it but he hasn't.Kara's death was remembered for about ten minutes until they WIPED HER FROM EXISTANCE.

[Eros]

I think the reason many people are that to shaken up about conners death, becasue he was just Conner. He spent 100 issues of his own comicbook doing nothing of any major importance, he was irresponsible and reckless for a long time. Superman cared about him, but he could only care so much for a clone that was created becasue he was "dead". Besides the new super-girl more then fills in for "super-boy". Superman just found his long lost cousin, not some plot device clone, but his actual blood cousin, he was just to busy makeing sure Kara is settlted in, that conner kind of got left out.

[Purple Man]

I think the reason many people are that to shaken up about conners death, becasue he was just Conner. He spent 100 issues of his own comicbook doing nothing of any major importance, he was irresponsible and reckless for a long time. Superman cared about him, but he could only care so much for a clone that was created becasue he was "dead". Besides the new super-girl more then fills in for "super-boy". Superman just found his long lost cousin, not some plot device clone, but his actual blood cousin, he was just to busy makeing sure Kara is settlted in, that conner kind of got left out.

Very true, it seemed there was more character development in Teen Titans than there was in his own series.

The nineties sucked, but the new millenium made Superboy cool.

[Hush]

I just got the new issue of TT and i want to gouge my eyes out! This was horrible art. The story is moving so slow too. And ive kinda lost interest, anyone think this book should be bi-weekly? I just think it would be perfect book for that.

[Assassin]

why are you allowed to still post?

[Hush]

Why wouldnt I be allowed to? I voiced my opinion on a book that I have come to expect good story telling from. Is that wrong or are you ticked that im just messing with you in the JLA thread? In anycase I just think that the story is moving to slow and the art was fairly stinky. I also happen to enjoy seeing these characters together and feel that bi-weekly would be cool because I would love to see these characters more.

[Assassin]

dude, the art wasnt that bad, you make it sound like it was ****'n laifield

[Hush]

Well it was bad when you compare it to the other art that we have seen preceed it in this book. Liefield is the worst of the worst. This was just not a nice change. When you read a book that usually has consistenly decent artwork and it has a crap issue it bothers you sometimes.

[Assassin]

like the 2 issues liefield did?

[Hush]

The 2 issues liefield did were absolutely horrible like he always is. I speak of the other artists that have worked on this book and produced quality work. Art holds me to a story, if the pacing is off or the quality is bad then i see it as stinky.

[Hellstormer]

dude, the art wasnt that bad, you make it sound like it was ****'n laifield
Actually I thnk Liefield starting too look half decent, not great but better. Look at his cover for the ONslaught special from marvel it's actually bearable. My main problem with the art is the guy didn't know how to draw hair and Teen Titans has always had good art so it was a bit of a downfall that amlified the suckiness.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Conner is back :( read the preview for 52 #22

[Hellstormer]

Conner is back :( read the preview for 52 #22
IN THIS ISSUE: "Good news, sir. Your son Kon-El didn't die in the Crisis after all."
Yea there's gonna be a twist.:rolleyes:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yea there's gonna be a twist.:rolleyes:

Yes Dc has hired M.Knight Shamacrap to wright Teen Titans...What a twist:woot:

[Charlie No-One]

You mean M. Night Shyamalan? Who is an excellent director? He is no good unless everything is his idea. :p

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

You mean M. Night Shyamalan? Who is an excellent director? He is no good unless everything is his idea. :p

Thats why I called him Sham...crap it was a joke.As per him being an excellent I have not liked anything hes done since the 6th sense everything else has been a bit of a let down.I got the M Night wrong sorry.

[Hush]

You didnt like Unbreakable? That was genius on film!

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

You didnt like Unbreakable? That was genius on film!

I forgot about that one but still I thought that it had something missing.

[Hush]

Yeah you not liking it!! Thats what it had missing!

[Colossal Spoons]

^Haha. Lady In The Water blew me away. Nobody else I know seemed to like it, guess it's just "my movie" :D

[Assassin]

^Haha. Lady In The Water blew me away. Nobody else I know seemed to like it, guess it's just "my movie" :D

it was garbage, and seeing it at the dollar theatre in the hood doesnt help either when you have black women that dont understand and I quote "why is every one helping this pasty *****"

yes, that was said out loud.

Signs was the best he did.

[cerealkiller182]

I really liked the group shot of all the photos, but i would still like to see some Young Justice members return specifically Lagoon Boy, Empress, and The Point Men as TT upstarts in the same respect as the students in X-Men comics but I fear the stories will become too packed, rushed, and unoriginal.

[Purple Man]

You didnt like Unbreakable? That was genius on film!

I agree.

http://i.somethingawful.com//sasbi/2006/09/jumpman16/Posting-Naked.jpg

[XwolverineX]

Signs was really good. Lady in the Water... Well, sucked.


But anyways, Conner is back, allready? Jeepers Christ.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Signs was really good. Lady in the Water... Well, sucked.




I hated both of them.

[sethcohen]

Signs was really good. Lady in the Water... Well, sucked.


But anyways, Conner is back, allready? Jeepers Christ.

what do you mean hes back?

[Colossal Spoons]

^Some spoiler from 52 #22

Nice username by the way :D

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Nice username by the way :D

Who me ?

[Colossal Spoons]

No, Sethcohen.

[sethcohen]

^Some spoiler from 52 #22

Nice username by the way :D
hahah thanks!
so, could you lay it out for me? in spoiler text of course... ive been keeping up with 52 to the best of my ability without buying it... it didnt grab me at first and now i feel like its too late and ill just wait for the trades...

[Hellstormer]

hahah thanks!
so, could you lay it out for me? in spoiler text of course... ive been keeping up with 52 to the best of my ability without buying it... it didnt grab me at first and now i feel like its too late and ill just wait for the trades... Check post 3033 the description of the issue is just:
IN THIS ISSUE: "Good news, sir. Your son Kon-El didn't die in the Crisis after all."
People are blowing it way out of proprotion.

[Assassin]

he's not back, cassie thinks supernova is superboy

[GoldenAgeHero]

haha nice sig.

[Assassin]

lol you're a wierdo

[Colossal Spoons]

hahah thanks!
so, could you lay it out for me? in spoiler text of course... ive been keeping up with 52 to the best of my ability without buying it... it didnt grab me at first and now i feel like its too late and ill just wait for the trades...

I don't know too much about the spoiler but I suggest ebay for 52 back issues. I just got 1-14 for $20. :up:

[GoldenAgeHero]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5497/1066/1600/Deathstroke-%28right%29.0.jpg

just a sketch.

[jim lee's bat]

red x

[cerealkiller182]

red x


I assume this is your guess of who Supernova is, but no matter what, that character was kinda cool. Jason Todd should totally become Red X rather than being Nightwings double or the new Red Hood.

[Hellstormer]

I assume this is your guess of who Supernova is, but no matter what, that character was kinda cool. Jason Todd should totally become Red X rather than being Nightwings double or the new Red Hood.
Ummm I think he's referring to the pic GAH posted. But I've been saying should become Red X for awhile now. Red X rules. best creation from the cartoon and yet Johns used everyone but him.

[cerealkiller182]

Ummm I think he's referring to the pic GAH posted. But I've been saying should become Red X for awhile now. Red X rules. best creation from the cartoon and yet Johns used everyone but him.

oic, for whatever reason that pic isnt showing up for me at all.

[Hellstormer]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5497/1066/1600/Deathstroke-%28right%29.0.jpg

just a sketch.
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1066/deathstroke28right290wq2.jpg Learn to use IMageshack.;)

[cerealkiller182]

Nows written in this for awhile. Well, I really like the new ish. Shows Bombshell and Miss Martian for the first time.

SPOILERS
Plus we find out the Kid Devil got his devil look from Azareth, Raven's alternate dimension and trigons home. Which makes me wonder with Ravenf ree of Trigon and Kid Devil looking the way he looks, if Trigon has entered KD and left Raven alone?

[GoldenAgeHero]

well the comic never said KD got his powers from azareth, it says he and zatara got lost there.

[Assassin]

I enjoyed this comic, and miss martian is kinda cool now that she has that twist to her.

[cerealkiller182]

well the comic never said KD got his powers from azareth, it says he and zatara got lost there.

but he mentioned earlier that his transformation happened while he was lost with zatara.

[Assassin]

ignore him, he thinks he's always right

[BrianWilly]

but he mentioned earlier that his transformation happened while he was lost with zatara.Did he say that in this issue? I just read through the whole thing and I don't see one mention of it. What he did say was that Zatara was the one who got him into the Titans.

[GoldenAgeHero]

but he mentioned earlier that his transformation happened while he was lost with zatara.

no he did'nt.

[cerealkiller182]

Did he say that in this issue? I just read through the whole thing and I don't see one mention of it. What he did say was that Zatara was the one who got him into the Titans.

It was a couple issues ago during the OYL arc, he definately mentioned he got into some type of trouble with Zatara. I thought he mentioned that was the same time he changed.

[Knives122]

What was up with Miss Martian?

Is she a green martian or a white?

Or maybe a hybrid!!!! DUN-DUNNNN DU-DU-DUNNNNNNNNN!

[Hellstormer]

In other news it looks like 52 week 21 has some TT info.

[Tropico]

What was up with Miss Martian?

Is she a green martian or a white?

Or maybe a hybrid!!!! DUN-DUNNNN DU-DU-DUNNNNNNNNN!

White Martians can shapeshift. She was probably making herself look like a green one 'cause everyone sees the white ones as evil.

[Darthphere]

Whitey always being put down by the man.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Whitey always being put down by the man.

I recieve your message clearly, male sibling who is not actually related to me!

[Hush]

I think this was a very good step up in the art of the book. The story was actually good this time to. Im really glad I picked it up this month.

[Hellstormer]

Just read the issue. I bet the "Secret" Raven was making Ms. Martian look for is well...Secret remmber the chick from YJ? Yeah whatever happen to her. I like Bombshell I hope they give her a cool origin and not just a Captain Atom rehash. I think a White Martian as a good guy is a cool concept but they'll probaly make her the traitor. Ravager would be cool as the traitor just because she was cooler as a bad guy.

[Tropico]

I could be wrong but there's slim to no chance that Bombshell's origin is different than Capt. Atom's. She's in the military, she mentioned the alien metal and she mentioned quantum field; that's practically the same as Capt. Atom. Heck, the only difference between Cap and Major Force is that they used more metal and a bigger tonnage for MF's explosion.

[Colossal Spoons]

I hope we see more of Bombshell. She's quite fiesty. :D

[batnkevlar]

I'd bomb that shell...

and in response to ravager: I'd ravage her...

in response to Miss Martian: I'd miss her martian...

In response to Wondergirl: I'd **** the living daylights outta her...

[Grizzly Mac&Cheese]

^You have to much class for your own good.

I didn't quite get the end of issue 39 though. Bombshell pointed out Ravager as the traitor...cool. What was that last panel with with Miss Martian all about. She was scanning peopel's minds and she's supposedly a white martian but what was she hearing exactly and where did she appear to be going?

[Hellstormer]

^You have to much class for your own good.

I didn't quite get the end of issue 39 though. Bombshell pointed out Ravager as the traitor...cool. What was that last panel with with Miss Martian all about. She was scanning peopel's minds and she's supposedly a white martian but what was she hearing exactly and where did she appear to be going?
It was a bit cryptic but I think she was scanning for Raven because she might be the traitor and Raven's the only one who knows. And maybe she made Bombshell think Ravager was the traitor but that's only a theory and I really hope it's not true. :( I kinda digg a good white martian.

[Grizzly Mac&Cheese]

Yeah, but Ravager did look a bit menacing when she was accused. :(

[Mogwai]

i think the miss martian in 39 was an imposter and the real one's going to show up soon.

[Tropico]

My worst fear: It's Kid Devil who'll turn out to be Trigon Jr.:( Ravager is the obvious choice (too obvious, IMO) and Miss Martian seemed genuine in flying off to the Titan's rescue. I was talking about this with a friend of mine yesterday and if you take into consideration Kid Devil's desperation for the Titans to stay together, his fake calls to BD and his visit to Azarath where he (presumably) turned into a real demon makes him a good candidate. Besides, no one expects it to be him.;):(

[Grizzly Mac&Cheese]

See, I saw MM turn into a white Martian and fly off; I naturally assumed that she was up to no good. Call me a racist if you will :D, but I didn't get the impression that she was coming to rescue anybody.

[Fledermaus]

Racist.

But for real, the only good white martian is a dead white martian. And it looks like Fernus missed one.

[Hellstormer]

My worst fear: It's Kid Devil who'll turn out to be Trigon Jr.:( Ravager is the obvious choice (too obvious, IMO) and Miss Martian seemed genuine in flying off to the Titan's rescue. I was talking about this with a friend of mine yesterday and if you take into consideration Kid Devil's desperation for the Titans to stay together, his fake calls to BD and his visit to Azarath where he (presumably) turned into a real demon makes him a good candidate. Besides, no one expects it to be him.;):(
I would hate that but it would be so unexpected that it would be cool.

[Kitsune]

Does the team know Ms Martian is a white martian?

[Hellstormer]

Does the team know Ms Martian is a white martian?
I don't think so.

[Assassin]

nooo silly

[Darthphere]

I could be wrong but there's slim to no chance that Bombshell's origin is different than Capt. Atom's. She's in the military, she mentioned the alien metal and she mentioned quantum field; that's practically the same as Capt. Atom. Heck, the only difference between Cap and Major Force is that they used more metal and a bigger tonnage for MF's explosion.


Yeah, it seems like theyre really not putting much work into these new characters.

[Hellstormer]

Yeah, it seems like theyre really not putting much work into these new characters.
They'll all be forgotten by next year.

[Kitsune]

They'll all be forgotten by next year.
If it takes that long.

[Dwarf lord]

Yeah, it seems like theyre really not putting much work into these new characters.

Yeah. Even after that spread in issue 38, they all seemed like cannon fodder for the next big event. The only one I think that has staying power is Miss Martian.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, it seems like theyre really not putting much work into these new characters.

Are these new chracterreally "sidekcicks" though? Because none of them are really studying under their older versions.

[batnkevlar]

The original ones will stay... which is NOT Zatara, Bombshell, Little Barda, Young Frankenstein (horrible name)...

[Colossal Spoons]

Captain Atom hasn't been anywhere lately so I really hope Bombshell hangs around :up:

[Dwarf lord]

The original ones will stay... which is NOT Zatara, Bombshell, Little Barda, Young Frankenstein (horrible name)...

Well, to be fair, Zatara is an existing character. Remember Kingdom Come?

[GoldenAgeHero]

Captain Atom hasn't been anywhere lately so I really hope Bombshell hangs around :up:

yeah, she looked like a fun character, i would'nt mind if she actually joined. plus she looked like she was into cyborg "hell0o0o0o0o handsome".

[BrianWilly]

Well, to be fair, Zatara is an existing character. Remember Kingdom Come?
He was Zatanna's son then, not her cousin. So, no, he's technically a new character.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Well, to be fair, Zatara is an existing character. Remember Kingdom Come?

alot of people keep saying that, but i didnt see starman nor zatara. which issue were they in?

[Darthphere]

And KC is OOC anyway.

[Hellstormer]

ODn't get me wrong a few of those characters would be cool to have (Osiris, Miss Martian, and Bombshell) but there are so many good teen heroes out there they're doing nothing with (Aquagirl, SPeedy, -cough-lagoonboy-cough, and Empress) there's probaly mroe but I can't think right now.

[Dwarf lord]

And KC is OOC anyway.

True, but it's a possible future. So it's not like their randomly being created.

[Hellstormer]

True, but it's a possible future. So it's not like their randomly being created.
And considering how many things are falling in line with it...

[Tropico]

Captain Atom hasn't been anywhere lately so I really hope Bombshell hangs around :up:

If by lately you mean a couple of months (a couple, literally, I think) then I agree. Otherwise we saw him in that mess at Bludhaven where he was on the road to become Monarch again.

[Colossal Spoons]

ODn't get me wrong a few of those characters would be cool to have (Osiris, Miss Martian, and Bombshell) but there are so many good teen heroes out there they're doing nothing with (Aquagirl, SPeedy, -cough-lagoonboy-cough, and Empress) there's probaly mroe but I can't think right now.

For every 1 interesting teen hero, I read about 3 more than put me to sleep.

The only teen heroes that need to exist IMO are:

Speedy
Kid Devil
Captain Marvel Jr(yeah i'm reading ToS)
Bombshell
Robin
Wondergirl
HotSpot/Joto
Superboy(:()
Miss Martian
Kid Flash(:()

I dunno how old Red Star, Cyborg, Beast Boy, Terra, Starfire, Raven and Tempest are but I assumed they weren't teens anymore.

[batnkevlar]

Dude, Osiris needs in...

[Colossal Spoons]

I haven't read 52 yet so I can't gauge his level of badassery.

[Tropico]

For every 1 interesting teen hero, I read about 3 more than put me to sleep.

The only teen heroes that need to exist IMO are:

Speedy
Kid Devil
Captain Marvel Jr(yeah i'm reading ToS)
Bombshell
Robin
Wondergirl
HotSpot/Joto
Superboy(:()
Miss Martian
Kid Flash(:()

I dunno how old Red Star, Cyborg, Beast Boy, Terra, Starfire, Raven and Tempest are but I assumed they weren't teens anymore.

The premise behind the Teen Titans relaunch was that after the events seen in Graduation Day some of the older ex-Titans felt that the newer generation still needed training, guidance and a place where they could be with others like them. Apparently enough time has gone past that these young heroes' mentors have forgotten what happened on that day(s). I liked these new TT's then, much more so than what I do now. After the Titan massacre in IC I'm surprised the older heroes didn't ask for adult heroes to supervise the younger ones again. I've seen many posts here saying that they should do away with the older Titans, but I always liked this balance of young and old. Both could learn from each other.

[GoldenAgeHero]

osiris has'nt even been featured yet. why the **** should he be in?

[batnkevlar]

Cuz he's Black-****in-Adam's answer to a sidekick... that's ****in why...

[Dwarf lord]

And considering how many things are falling in line with it...

Exactly. African American Johnny Thunder, Blue Beetle's costume, Arsenal's inclusion in the JLA (Red Arrow costume), Wally having kids, and probably a lot more I can't think of.

[Tropico]

Exactly. African American Johnny Thunder, Blue Beetle's costume, Arsenal's inclusion in the JLA (Red Arrow costume), Wally having kids, and probably a lot more I can't think of.

Hahahahaha, most of those have only surface similarities and actually deviate from KC.:D

[Darthphere]

True, but it's a possible future. So it's not like their randomly being created.


No, its an elseworlds. People need to move away from this possible future crock. Its an alternate timeline, not a possible future.

[Hellstormer]

Exactly. African American Johnny Thunder, Blue Beetle's costume, Arsenal's inclusion in the JLA (Red Arrow costume), Wally having kids, and probably a lot more I can't think of.
And Nuklon becoming Atom Smasher and the Starman costume. Also didn't Magog may an in continuity appearence?

[batnkevlar]

But in KC, Jakeem is still a kid, how's that possible?

Just like in any alternate timeline, there are similarities, so the future DC universe will have similarities, but won't be exactly like Kingdom Come...

oh, and I just figured Kingdom Come was the future of the Silver Age hereos, as seen be no Tim Drake, no Cassandra Sandsmark, no Cassie Cain, no Bart Allen, etc...

[The Leaguer]

Everything Alex Ross does is Silver Age. F*** Ross.

[batnkevlar]

Exactly, that's another reason why it was an end to the Silver Age...

oh, no Kyle Rayner, no Mia Dearden...

[The Leaguer]

Kingdom Come was quite a while before Mia was even created.

[batnkevlar]

Oh true... I forgot about that...

but you see, Waid and Ross left out characters that were prevalent when they wrote the story, and they probably left it out for a reason...

[LouFerignoDemon]

Oh true... I forgot about that...

but you see, Waid and Ross left out characters that were prevalent when they wrote the story, and they probably left it out for a reason...

Alan Scott was used because they couldn't agree on what Lantern to use otherwise from personal bias or some crap.

[The Leaguer]

Ross wanted Jordan, Waid wanted Kyle.

Obviously, Waid has taste. I love Waid.

[Knives122]

The premise behind the Teen Titans relaunch was that after the events seen in Graduation Day some of the older ex-Titans felt that the newer generation still needed training, guidance and a place where they could be with others like them. Apparently enough time has gone past that these young heroes' mentors have forgotten what happened on that day(s).

Well when the person that died comes back to life, one tends to forget it even happens.

[BrianWilly]

Exactly. African American Johnny Thunder, Blue Beetle's costume, Arsenal's inclusion in the JLA (Red Arrow costume), Wally having kids, and probably a lot more I can't think of.Blue Beetle being dead probably counts as a heavy exclusion...

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ross wanted Jordan, Waid wanted Kyle.

Obviously, Waid has taste. I love Waid.

For some reason, I thought Ross wanted Kyle, when I knew that Ross was like a jock who only remembers high school and dotes on it like that is all that matters, even forty years down the line, and thinks of the Silver Age in such a way.

Oh well.

[Dwarf lord]

For some reason, I thought Ross wanted Kyle, when I knew that Ross was like a jock who only remembers high school and dotes on it like that is all that matters, even forty years down the line, and thinks of the Silver Age in such a way.

Oh well.

Edit

[The Leaguer]

It was Scott.

[Dwarf lord]

For some reason, I thought Ross wanted Kyle, when I knew that Ross was like a jock who only remembers high school and dotes on it like that is all that matters, even forty years down the line, and thinks of the Silver Age in such a way.

Oh well.

That's why Ross would want Jordan.

[LouFerignoDemon]

That's why Ross would want Jordan.

I know. I knew one of them did, and I don't know why I didn't think it was Ross instinctively. Maybe I dislike Ross that much, that I don't even care to think that much about him. Who knows? It's the same situation with Leaguer there.

[Tropico]

But in KC, Jakeem is still a kid, how's that possible?

Just like in any alternate timeline, there are similarities, so the future DC universe will have similarities, but won't be exactly like Kingdom Come...

oh, and I just figured Kingdom Come was the future of the Silver Age hereos, as seen be no Tim Drake, no Cassandra Sandsmark, no Cassie Cain, no Bart Allen, etc...

I don't see how it could be Silver Age since there were characters that were clearly after that era and into modern stories. Steel was there but with a Batman motif, Lobo, Wally as Flash, etc. People read too much into artists' decisions to swipe design elements from KC. I think the only kid character of those you mentioned that was around then was Tim; the others didn't exist yet.

It's great that KC has that timeless feel for people to forget that this was done around 10 years ago; but they have to start keeping that into perspective when they start with these crazy conspiracy stories. I laughed myself silly when people started posting "Alex Ross teh suxxorz fer steeling teh Hawkman desing frm JSA, LOLZ!!!!1!111ONE". It was the other way around, LOL! Ross has a preference for Silver Age characters, but this was a commentary on the 90's heroes.

EDIT: BTW, the black kid with electric powers that Ross has used for Jakeem is NOT Jakeem. He's stealing from himself, but it's not supposed to be the same character.

[Hellstormer]

Ross wanted Jordan, Waid wanted Kyle.

Obviously, Waid has taste. I love Waid.
Waid pwns!:o

[yenaled]

Ross is a wanker.

Waid is a ****ing pimp.

[WompuM]

Oops. I thought I clicked on the Teen Titans thread, not the KC thread. My mistake. Here I am wanting to have a convo about Miss Martian but I guess I'll say how kooool the Gulag is instead. Did you know it's from that superfreinds show. LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Come on guys. Get your head in the game.

[batnkevlar]

C'mon guys, let's all band behind WompuM!

Yay for WompuM!!!

[The Leaguer]

Oops. I thought I clicked on the Teen Titans thread, not the KC thread. My mistake. Here I am wanting to have a convo about Miss Martian but I guess I'll say how kooool the Gulag is instead. Did you know it's from that superfreinds show. LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Come on guys. Get your head in the game.
If you want to talk about something, do what everyone else does and make a thread, motherf***er.

[Hellstormer]

Oops. I thought I clicked on the Teen Titans thread, not the KC thread. My mistake. Here I am wanting to have a convo about Miss Martian but I guess I'll say how kooool the Gulag is instead. Did you know it's from that superfreinds show. LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Come on guys. Get your head in the game.
When you have Darthphere, Leaguer and GAH in a thread it's pretty much impossible to stay on track. :rolleyes:

[The Leaguer]

I resent being lumped in with the two of them.

I can derail a thread on my own.

[yenaled]

He's not lying.

[Darthphere]

Hes not.

[Hush]

I have witnessed this thing happen a great deal. (Leaguer derailing a thread that is ,by himself.)

[PWN3R]

The only thing is GAH can be on topic/serious and still utterly derial any thread.:(

[Hush]

Stupidity has that effect.

[Darthphere]

The only thing is GAH can be on topic/serious and still utterly derial any thread.:(


Its funny how passionately he defends things, and its even funnier when hes dead wrong.

[Darthphere]

When you have Darthphere, Leaguer and GAH in a thread it's pretty much impossible to stay on track. :rolleyes:


Its funny, because while its fun having people say my name and all, we didnt start the KC talk. LOL! You so look like an idiot.

[PWN3R]

LOL is always followed up by ownage. :up:

[Darthphere]

LOL is always followed up by ownage. :up:


Its true.

[DraconicLord]

I think the traitor is Zatara - Mostly just because he lied to the Titans; Maybe thats why he tried to call them back, he was regretful and didn't do it of his own will.

Zatara's log to Vic suggested that he cared about a female.
52 suggested that he was into Raven and it was him that was bugging her for alone time not the other way around.
In TT: OYL he says that she was bothering him? No - I didn't get that from the small interaction we saw in 52 - 21. Sometimes it's the small things that add up and become important

[Hush]

Stop trying to get the thread on topic you goody too shoes!!!

[Tropico]

Oops. I thought I clicked on the KC thread, not the Teen Titans thread. My mistake. Here I am wanting to have a convo about adult Billy Batson but I guess I'll say how kooool Zatara is instead. Did you know he's Zatanna's cousin? LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Come on guys. Get your head off the game.

[The Leaguer]

The only thing is GAH can be on topic/serious and still utterly derial any thread.:(
Easily one of the greatest avatars his site has ever known.

[Hush]

Leaguer what do you mean? Your great logic confuses me...seriously what do you mean?

[The Leaguer]

What are you talking about?

[Hush]

Easily one of the greatest avatars his site has ever known.


^^^^^^ What does that mean? I am confused by your statement.

[Colossal Spoons]

WTH is going on in this thread?

[The Leaguer]

^^^^^^ What does that mean? I am confused by your statement.
Obviously I meant "this." I leave it uncorrected because it weeds out those who cannot make basic assumptions.

[Tropico]

Agreed. Leag would never say that GAH has a great site, not even in his most ironic day. Therefore the only logical option was that he misspelled.

[Hush]

Holy crapola!!! Im so sorry Leaguer see i totally missunderstood what your whole sentence was. The spelling error I figured out on my own. It was your sentence about "avatars" I did not know you were refering to Pwner Rangers avatar but saying that GAH was one of the best avatars the site has ever known. Meaning an avatar for knowledge.

Will you forgive me? Can I be back in your graces and possibly become your pupil?

[Assassin]

lol its funny how no one noticed Tropico totally bomb on the last page :D

[batnkevlar]

I don't understand... i'm confused... what was Tropico's point on the last page?

[Assassin]

to be totally hilarious, like nick canon, but it didnt work, poor guy

[Ultimate_Superman]

I am waiting for Robin to find out Conner is really Supernova

[yenaled]

You'll be waiting a long time for that.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I can hold out hope :(

[Tropico]

I don't understand... i'm confused... what was Tropico's point on the last page?

Pointless post, just like the one I practically copy/pasted from.:):up:

[Kitsune]

I don't see how it could be Silver Age since there were characters that were clearly after that era and into modern stories. Steel was there but with a Batman motif, Lobo, Wally as Flash, etc. People read too much into artists' decisions to swipe design elements from KC. I think the only kid character of those you mentioned that was around then was Tim; the others didn't exist yet.

It's great that KC has that timeless feel for people to forget that this was done around 10 years ago; but they have to start keeping that into perspective when they start with these crazy conspiracy stories. I laughed myself silly when people started posting "Alex Ross teh suxxorz fer steeling teh Hawkman desing frm JSA, LOLZ!!!!1!111ONE". It was the other way around, LOL! Ross has a preference for Silver Age characters, but this was a commentary on the 90's heroes.

EDIT: BTW, the black kid with electric powers that Ross has used for Jakeem is NOT Jakeem. He's stealing from himself, but it's not supposed to be the same character.
That happens all the time. When the LoTR movies came out people were saying "Tolkien stole hobbits from D&D"
or "Fred Perry's Gold Digger is a Rip off of Laura Croft"
Or even worse "Tolkien is ripping off Sword of Shannara"

[WompuM]

That's it Tropicano, you're going down. Once I get about 5,000 more posts, and a swett GAH avatar, you're going down.

But seriously, my money is on Kid Devil being the traitor. i like him and all, but he's acting kind of shady. And he ain't callin me baby. Why the sudden change?

[Tropico]

That happens all the time. When the LoTR movies came out people were saying "Tolkien stole hobbits from D&D"
or "Fred Perry's Gold Digger is a Rip off of Laura Croft"
Or even worse "Tolkien is ripping off Sword of Shannara"

Exactly, people think that the chronology is the way they discovered/saw/read them, but it's not. They forget to take into consideration when something was written and if it had soem source material that inspired it.

[Tropico]

That's it Tropicano, you're going down. Once I get about 5,000 more posts, and a swett GAH avatar, you're going down.

But seriously, my money is on Kid Devil being the traitor. i like him and all, but he's acting kind of shady. And he ain't callin me baby. Why the sudden change?

See, this is much better. You're actually making a post that has some on topic content and it's not about what you yourself were complaining about.:D

[WompuM]

That's it! I'm taking you down now! Someone start a WompuM vs. Tropico thread NOW. p.s. I am pre-crisis so you're gonna die.

p.p.s. some stole the encyclopedia i-k... k for Kid Devil!!!! (probably a red herring)

[DraconicLord]

That's it! I'm taking you down now! Someone start a WompuM vs. Tropico thread NOW. p.s. I am pre-crisis so you're gonna die.

p.p.s. some stole the encyclopedia i-k... k for Kid Devil!!!! (probably a red herring)

There is also j for Jericho...
No, I doubt that it means anything though Tim probably knows more about the encyclopedia then he's letting on; I'll assume.

I stick to what I said, that the traitor is/was Zatara - To many things dont add up. Why would he lie about Raven like that?

[Sebastos]

When does issue 40 come out?

[GoldenAgeHero]

next month.

[Varient]

Eh.
DC's gonna mess this up.

With the Start of the Martian Manhunter run,.. and the creation of "Ms. Martian,... they have a chance to restart the Martian Race on Earth,.....

No Messy "But she's my cousin" that Superman sez in regards to bringing back full sized Kryptonians, No longer "last of his Kind" John won't have to settle like The rest of the "one-only's."

And PowerBoy and Lil Barda? Where do they go after the year is up?

[Anubis]

Dude, she's a freakin White Martian for christ sake.

[PWN3R]

Easily one of the greatest avatars his site has ever known.

You are a wise poster.

And nothing justifies GAH's posts...not even doom music!

[Hellstormer]

Its funny, because while its fun having people say my name and all, we didnt start the KC talk. LOL! You so look like an idiot.
Hey I didn't start the KC talk either, I just added my input:D derailing threads is too hard for me. Leprachauns.

[Fledermaus]

Dude, she's a freakin White Martian for christ sake.

Yeah. IMO it's pretty obvious that Ms Martian is the traitor. Observe

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/16/teentitanscv40spoilwa4.jpg

Yeah.

[Hellstormer]

I reevallated (Don't make fin of my spelling:() the last two pages observe.
Me? Are you crazy?: Ravager
No but you were...: Bombshell
...I'm the most amazing teen magician in the world: Zatara
...the Titans have a traitor: Raven
...if I could find Risk maybe he'd take me to the wedding. No way daddy will let me go with Hostpot: Prysm or Argent maybe?
...I hope dad springs back into action I want him to teach me everything except about woozy winks. the guy's a briefcase: Offspring (thanks Fledermaus)
...The Titans are looking for a Traitior...: One of the missing year titans
Aunt Kathy's in Gotham I should go too. I wonder if Nightwing has a girlfriend yet...: Flamebird
they've located Raven: UNknown
...she has the book I have to get the book: The Traitor
the Titan's greatest weapon is ours...: Brotherhood?
TRAITOR.: Unknown

I think these pages are implying that Miss Martian is looking for the traitor and she managed to find her/him but the stress was so much she had to go into her native form,didn't J'onn do that? Therefor I conclude she is a friend but will be believe to be a traitor.

[Fledermaus]

...I hope dad springs back into action I want him to teach me everything except about woozy winks. the guy's a briefcase: Unknown
.

Offspring. Plastic Man's son.

[BrianWilly]

Heheheheheh. Offspring. Like springing. Like a spring.

I just got it:D.

[WompuM]

I don't know, it seems that the traitor will be revealed next issue, and why would Johns make the traitor someone we have never seen? It seems like its going to be Kid Devil. How exactly did the traitor betray the titans anyway?

[Hellstormer]

Heheheheheh. Offspring. Like springing. Like a spring.

I just got it:D.
He's an Offspring of Plastic Man and he can bend like a spring, wow I just got it to. :D:up:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Its funny how passionately he defends things, and its even funnier when hes dead wrong.

Can you tell I don't pay any real attention to anybody with this question?


Who the hell is GAH?

[Colossal Spoons]

He's the man around these parts. :o

[LouFerignoDemon]

And I still haven't seen him?

[Colossal Spoons]

Touche!

[Tropico]

Can you tell I don't pay any real attention to anybody with this question?


Who the hell is GAH?

GoldenAgeHero.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ah. You still haven't told me if you've seen the Protector yet or not. ;-;

[The Leaguer]

I think these pages are implying that Miss Martian is looking for the traitor and she managed to find her/him but the stress was so much she had to go into her native form,didn't J'onn do that? Therefor I conclude she is a friend but will be believe to be a traitor.
No.

The original Martian form was that of the Burning Martian: utterly evil fiery beings of insane power. The Guardians were like, "oh, f*** that s***," and edited a fear of fire into their genetic codes.

As a result, the Martian form was "evolved" into what it is today (or at least, what it was until the Martian civilzation was wiped off the planet Mars thousands of years ago). From there, two types of Martians evolved, White and Green. Green were the peaceful, thoughtful half of the race, and the White were the war-loving, "we gonna f*** yo' **** up" half.

You might ask why the Guardians stepped in with the Burning Martians and not the White Martians. The answer is simple: the Burning Martians had no easily exploitable weakness, whereas the White Martians piss their pants at the sight of fire.

When J'onn started banging Scorch, he had her "therapize" his fire weakness out of his mind, in an attempt to make himself a better hero. However, what he did was inadvertantly undo the genetic block the Guardians installed and he reverted to his natural Burning Martian state.

It would appear that Miss Martian is a true White Martian.

[Tropico]

Ah. You still haven't told me if you've seen the Protector yet or not. ;-;

Yes, I answered in the Official Civil War thread!:mad: I said I didn't and if the guy was good enough to make a Shang Chi movie (to keep the post on topic).:o

[Tropico]

Green were the peaceful, thoughtful half of the race, and the White were the war-loving, "we gonna f*** yo' **** up" half.


Sooo, the green descended from Dr. Phil and the white from Samuel J.? How ironic.:dry:

[The Leaguer]

The difference is that the Green generally aren't jackasses.

[WompuM]

Are you kidding? Havent you ever seen a Packer game? Wait, forgot where I was posting.

[Doc Destruction]

Jericho as the traitor would be the coolest plot twist ever. Imagine if he was IN one of the Titans all this time.

[Darthphere]

Jericho as the traitor would be the coolest plot twist ever. Imagine if he was IN one of the Titans all this time.


Details.:yay:

[sethcohen]

i didnt know jericho was a member of the clergy:huh:

[Kitsune]

Let me get this strait, the Guardians were afraid of Martians because they were flamers?

[sethcohen]

they didnt mind their sense of style though... who do you think picked out those fashionable robes?

[Hellstormer]

No.

The original Martian form was that of the Burning Martian: utterly evil fiery beings of insane power. The Guardians were like, "oh, f*** that s***," and edited a fear of fire into their genetic codes.

As a result, the Martian form was "evolved" into what it is today (or at least, what it was until the Martian civilzation was wiped off the planet Mars thousands of years ago). From there, two types of Martians evolved, White and Green. Green were the peaceful, thoughtful half of the race, and the White were the war-loving, "we gonna f*** yo' **** up" half.

You might ask why the Guardians stepped in with the Burning Martians and not the White Martians. The answer is simple: the Burning Martians had no easily exploitable weakness, whereas the White Martians piss their pants at the sight of fire.

When J'onn started banging Scorch, he had her "therapize" his fire weakness out of his mind, in an attempt to make himself a better hero. However, what he did was inadvertantly undo the genetic block the Guardians installed and he reverted to his natural Burning Martian state.

It would appear that Miss Martian is a true White Martian.
Hey, guess what? I knew that so you can get of you high horse.:p I was saying that I recall pages where MM was using his telepathy and he turned into is native pointy head green martian self instead of the constant humanoid appearence he usually has and since Miss Martian is younger and maybe less expierienced maybe she has even more trouble.

[Colossal Spoons]

Jericho as the traitor would be the coolest plot twist ever. Imagine if he was IN one of the Titans all this time.

Aw man, that would be insane.

[Hellstormer]

Yea that would be cool, my guess would be Talon.

[TheCorpulent1]

If Jericho's hiding inside one of the Titans, my guess would be Robin. How else could you justify his letting Ravager on the team? :oldrazz:

[yenaled]

Jericho is hiding in my pants.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hot. :up:

[The Leaguer]

At thie point, I'm praying that Jericho is inside Batgirl.

Dirty. But appropriate.

Hey, guess what? I knew that so you can get of you high horse.:p I was saying that I recall pages where MM was using his telepathy and he turned into is native pointy head green martian self instead of the constant humanoid appearence he usually has and since Miss Martian is younger and maybe less expierienced maybe she has even more trouble.
If you know all that, why is it that you don't seem to understandly the simple, fundamental difference between White Martians and Green Martians?

And greater women than you have tried and failed to get me off my high horse.

[Colossal Spoons]

Can I take a stab at de-horsing you? :mad:

[Doc Destruction]

I thought about Jericho inside Robin, but why the Conner cloning and moping about? It would rock pretty hard though if he was.

[GoldenAgeHero]

that'll be pretty lame actually. guess depends on how its told.

[WompuM]

Jericho is still on floppy disk i thought. They really need to update him to a flash drive imo.

[Darthphere]

that'll be pretty lame actually. guess depends on how its told.


How would it be different than the rest of the Titans OYL run?:huh: :huh:

[Doc Destruction]

It's been pretty fun, not lame, IMO. And why would Jericho be lame?

[cerealkiller182]

I think he means it would be lame if it Jericho was in Robin.

Do you think the traitor will be someone obvious like the "sidekick" of a bad guy like Joker's Daughter, Riddler's Daughter, Talon (i heard he was supposed to be Owlman's sidekick), and Osiris (dont know what he would want with it though).

[Hellstormer]

At thie point, I'm praying that Jericho is inside Batgirl.

Dirty. But appropriate.


If you know all that, why is it that you don't seem to understandly the simple, fundamental difference between White Martians and Green Martians?

And greater women than you have tried and failed to get me off my high horse.
Yes but someday that horse's knee will give out, and when the happens I will be there:ninja:

[Tropico]

And be crushed by it?:confused:

[sethcohen]

I think he means it would be lame if it Jericho was in Robin.

Do you think the traitor will be someone obvious like the "sidekick" of a bad guy like Joker's Daughter, Riddler's Daughter, Talon (i heard he was supposed to be Owlman's sidekick), and Osiris (dont know what he would want with it though).

that was the first thing i thought when i read his name actually... even before i saw him...

[The Leaguer]

Can I take a stab at de-horsing you? :mad:
You can stab all you want, but I think the horse is a guy, and I don't think he'll like that.

[Hellstormer]

And be crushed by it?:confused:
No I'll be in a tree hiding like a :ninja: cause I'm cool like that.

Is Talon relly Owlmn's siekick? How'd he get here? Someone check the end of the Batman annual 25, I think there was a page at the end with like diffrent Batman's from different universes.

EDIT: It's Batman 650 but they don't show any of the Robins :(

[Tropico]

No I'll be in a tree hiding like a :ninja: cause I'm cool like that.

LTMTP!!

[BarcodeOnTheBac]

I'm currently a subscriber to over 30 DC and Marvel comics, direct from the publishers. (including Teen Titans) I am having some very serious problems with DC, and was hoping some of you kind folks might be willing to give me some advice on how to come to some sort of solution. Let me give you some background first:

My friend Dave, who lives in another city across the State, got cancer a few years back. It left him paralyzed below the waist, and now he is back living with his parents. His elderly Dad takes care of him, as well as his Alzheimer's afflicted Mother. Needless to say, he can't get out of the house much. He used to have a lot of friends stop by who were active into comics and card gaming. Now not so much any more.

A couple of years back, I started sharing my old comics with him. I would mail off each month's worth of comics to him at the end of each month. It was a way of helping bring the world to him, since he can no longer walk, or drive out to it any more. Eventually, I just got him the subscriptions, and he sent them to me after reading them. Nowadays, we subscribe to quite a few more in his name, some 30+ titles. We go in half and half on the cost, and he sends about two months at a time to me after reading them.

We get them quite cheap, at less than half the cover price. This is from a combination of going through several online websites, and ordering through a friend who sells magazine subscriptions. The downside is that we can't get any refunds if we go through a middleman like that, if we decide we don't like a title. Our only recourse is to switch remaining issues to another title. Also, only certain titles are offered through magazine sales places, so if we want another one, we have to order several years of one of the offered titles, then switch it. (using DC customer service folks)

I've done this for the past year or more, and now we have up to 3 years on a number of the titles. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not doing this every day or anything. Once or twice a month, I contacted their email and asked for a change at first. Later, as we learned what artists and writers we liked, it was more like once a month. (out of 35 titles)

A couple of months back, I got a snail mail letter from DC, saying that Swamp Thing was being cancelled. The letter further said that I could contact them to let them know my choice of a replacement title. I misplaced the letter, and only recently found it again and contacted them about it to let them know what title I wanted to switch to. They refused to let me do so, saying (and I quote:)

>
>Dear David,
>
>We have been through this before.
>
>We will refund you for the Swamp Thing issues. Again, the >administrative cost of maintaining your account far exceeds what you >have paid for the subscriptions. We will make no other changes.
>
>If you would like to cancel, please call 1-800-887-6789, Monday through >Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST/EDT and our operators will be happy to assist >you. (Outside the US, please call 1-845-267-4384)
>
>
>
>Thank You,
>
>
>
>Michele
>
>Customer Service
>
>DC Comics

I know that I will never get a refund, if one is truly issued. The wholesaler simply has a policy of never passing it along to the sales agent, so it can't get to the person who ordered in the first place. That was why I asked for it to be switched over to another sub, which was an option on the letter they sent to me. They started refusing to make ANY changes back around July. Marvel doesn't have any problem with me making changes on their end, but evidently DC has some sort of "magic number" of changes that if you exceed, they stomp their foot down. They won't tell me what the limit is, or how long it will be until I can combine any titles. From the sound of it, they will let me place new orders, but not switch anything.

So, here are my problems:

1) Basically, where can I find the written guidelines for DC customer service? I have the feeling I'm being screwed around with here. They have a single customer service rep doing all the email support, and I have the feeling she just doesn't like me, and that's the only reason she won't make the changes. I want verification that what she is saying is their official policy, and not just her wanting to do less work.

2) From the written policy, I'd like to find out what the yearly limit on changes is, and how long everything is "locked" once that threshold is exceeded

3) Even if they want to limit changes that I might request, shouldn't they still be bound to let me switch a cancelled title if they offer to let me do so in writing? I mean, if THEY are the ones who contact ME about a change, I don't really understand how they can view that as ME instigating a change, and then say they are going to deny me. Seriously, if they are going to be like that and enforce it, then they shouldn't send out the invitation to me in the first place.

4) If this "lock" on me making any changes is official and correct, then I was wondering if that would include me giving away any of the subscriptions, or receiving new subs from others. Because, of course, there are a number of forums online where people trade comic subs around.

No, I'm not switching to a mail order service, because I don't want to pay twice as much for my comics. Comic shops are out of the question, because my friend needs them delivered directly to his door.

If anyone out there has any suggestions that might help me resolve this, please email me at fuzzhead72@yahoo.com with "DC Comics problem" as the subject heading. I am going to look over the emails I get and pick the most helpful to receive a free comic subscription as thanks for your help.

[WompuM]

ummm..... I like comic books.

[Hush]

Yeah I dont really know what to say to that................Welcome to the Hype!

[LouFerignoDemon]

No I'll be in a tree hiding like a :ninja: cause I'm cool like that.

Is Talon relly Owlmn's siekick? How'd he get here? Someone check the end of the Batman annual 25, I think there was a page at the end with like diffrent Batman's from different universes.

EDIT: It's Batman 650 but they don't show any of the Robins :(

Ninjas are to the fighting chain, what mimes are to the entertainment chain. Or those French robot guys.

[The Punisher]

I love you. :up:

[Hellstormer]

LTMTP!!
Damn you and your infernal internet lingo!:mad:

O and Barcodeonthebac, I really can't say I know exactly how to help you, but....welcome to the hype?

[Tropico]

Laughing
Too
Much
To
Post

[LouFerignoDemon]

Jerk. I had to go back and see what you were laughing about, only to find out you were explaining yourself. x.x

[TheCorpulent1]

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/5479/roflcopter4co.jpg

[Assassin]

African americans and their hairstyles :up:

[Darthphere]

I'm currently a subscriber to over 30 DC and Marvel comics, direct from the publishers. (including Teen Titans) I am having some very serious problems with DC, and was hoping some of you kind folks might be willing to give me some advice on how to come to some sort of solution. Let me give you some background first:

My friend Dave, who lives in another city across the State, got cancer a few years back. It left him paralyzed below the waist, and now he is back living with his parents. His elderly Dad takes care of him, as well as his Alzheimer's afflicted Mother. Needless to say, he can't get out of the house much. He used to have a lot of friends stop by who were active into comics and card gaming. Now not so much any more.

A couple of years back, I started sharing my old comics with him. I would mail off each month's worth of comics to him at the end of each month. It was a way of helping bring the world to him, since he can no longer walk, or drive out to it any more. Eventually, I just got him the subscriptions, and he sent them to me after reading them. Nowadays, we subscribe to quite a few more in his name, some 30+ titles. We go in half and half on the cost, and he sends about two months at a time to me after reading them.

We get them quite cheap, at less than half the cover price. This is from a combination of going through several online websites, and ordering through a friend who sells magazine subscriptions. The downside is that we can't get any refunds if we go through a middleman like that, if we decide we don't like a title. Our only recourse is to switch remaining issues to another title. Also, only certain titles are offered through magazine sales places, so if we want another one, we have to order several years of one of the offered titles, then switch it. (using DC customer service folks)

I've done this for the past year or more, and now we have up to 3 years on a number of the titles. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not doing this every day or anything. Once or twice a month, I contacted their email and asked for a change at first. Later, as we learned what artists and writers we liked, it was more like once a month. (out of 35 titles)

A couple of months back, I got a snail mail letter from DC, saying that Swamp Thing was being cancelled. The letter further said that I could contact them to let them know my choice of a replacement title. I misplaced the letter, and only recently found it again and contacted them about it to let them know what title I wanted to switch to. They refused to let me do so, saying (and I quote:)

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>Dear David,
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>We have been through this before.
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>We will refund you for the Swamp Thing issues. Again, the >administrative cost of maintaining your account far exceeds what you >have paid for the subscriptions. We will make no other changes.
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>If you would like to cancel, please call 1-800-887-6789, Monday through >Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST/EDT and our operators will be happy to assist >you. (Outside the US, please call 1-845-267-4384)
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>Thank You,
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>Michele
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>Customer Service
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>DC Comics

I know that I will never get a refund, if one is truly issued. The wholesaler simply has a policy of never passing it along to the sales agent, so it can't get to the person who ordered in the first place. That was why I asked for it to be switched over to another sub, which was an option on the letter they sent to me. They started refusing to make ANY changes back around July. Marvel doesn't have any problem with me making changes on their end, but evidently DC has some sort of "magic number" of changes that if you exceed, they stomp their foot down. They won't tell me what the limit is, or how long it will be until I can combine any titles. From the sound of it, they will let me place new orders, but not switch anything.

So, here are my problems:

1) Basically, where can I find the written guidelines for DC customer service? I have the feeling I'm being screwed around with here. They have a single customer service rep doing all the email support, and I have the feeling she just doesn't like me, and that's the only reason she won't make the changes. I want verification that what she is saying is their official policy, and not just her wanting to do less work.

2) From the written policy, I'd like to find out what the yearly limit on changes is, and how long everything is "locked" once that threshold is exceeded

3) Even if they want to limit changes that I might request, shouldn't they still be bound to let me switch a cancelled title if they offer to let me do so in writing? I mean, if THEY are the ones who contact ME about a change, I don't really understand how they can view that as ME instigating a change, and then say they are going to deny me. Seriously, if they are going to be like that and enforce it, then they shouldn't send out the invitation to me in the first place.

4) If this "lock" on me making any changes is official and correct, then I was wondering if that would include me giving away any of the subscriptions, or receiving new subs from others. Because, of course, there are a number of forums online where people trade comic subs around.

No, I'm not switching to a mail order service, because I don't want to pay twice as much for my comics. Comic shops are out of the question, because my friend needs them delivered directly to his door.

If anyone out there has any suggestions that might help me resolve this, please email me at fuzzhead72@yahoo.com with "DC Comics problem" as the subject heading. I am going to look over the emails I get and pick the most helpful to receive a free comic subscription as thanks for your help.


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[Assassin]

wow, that was, um, very helpfull, to both him and us. Thanks Roger

[Darthphere]

wow, that was, um, very helpfull, to both him and us. Thanks Roger


Please proceed to shut the **** up.

[Assassin]

ooo some one graduated from the school of wittyness :up:

[Anubis]

I say bite the f**kin bullet and order your comics from an online comic shop. Half the time the discount you get on the comics cover the shipping cost. Like at Dreamland. (But be warned, they might f**k you over worse than DC apparently has.)

[Hellstormer]

alright back on topic, how come they aren't using Lagoon Boy? He's awesome :(

[Fledermaus]

Ms Martian is the f**king traitor!!!!http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/16/teentitanscv40spoilwa4.jpg

[Anubis]

No s**t Sherlock.

[Knives122]

I don't think so, it'll probably be someone else(DIRRRRRR!!!!!!!)

I don't know why, but I actually like the good white martian

[Fledermaus]

No s**t Sherlock.

Wipe a little harder, Watson.

[The Leaguer]

This thread is so full of hate.

I love it.

[Hellstormer]

I don't think so, it'll probably be someone else(DIRRRRRR!!!!!!!)

I don't know why, but I actually like the good white martianDitto:o

[Colossal Spoons]

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/5479/roflcopter4co.jpg

Wow, my friend and I were joking about "roflcopter" last night and I was still chuckling this morning lik 5 seconds before opening this thread and what do I see? You're psychic Corp.

[Sebastos]

http://titanstower.com/assets/whos%20who/aapanels/teentitans3OYL/titans_52_21.jpg

Anyone think Power Boy was pretty interesting? What could be his story?

[XwolverineX]

No s**t Sherlock.


lol. :woot:

[Kitsune]

http://titanstower.com/assets/whos%20who/aapanels/teentitans3OYL/titans_52_21.jpg

Anyone think Power Boy was pretty interesting? What could be his story?
I think that's Joto/Hotspot...I they changed his name because joto is slang for homosexual in South America or something like that. Maybe they could change his name to "Flamer" :D

[Colossal Spoons]

...and to coincide with his TT:Go name maybe.

[Kitsune]

Ms Martian is the f**king traitor!!!!http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/16/teentitanscv40spoilwa4.jpg
Gee thats' creative. Well at least they aren't pulling something out of the left field and making the traitor someone unreasonable just so the readers don't guess.

[Hellstormer]

http://titanstower.com/assets/whos%20who/aapanels/teentitans3OYL/titans_52_21.jpg

Anyone think Power Boy was pretty interesting? What could be his story?
This is obvious but I tihnk he has a relation to Power Girl....Earth-2 Superboy?

[Fledermaus]

I think he has ties to Apokolips or New Genesis.

[hippie_hunter]

This is obvious but I tihnk he has a relation to Power Girl....Earth-2 Superboy?

HE DOESN'T. HE HAS TIES WITH LITTLE BARDA AND THE NEW GODS LIKE FLEDERMAUS SAID.

[BrianWilly]

There was no Superboy on Earth-2. And if there was, it'd just be Kal-L as a boy.

[jaydawg]

http://titanstower.com/assets/whos%20who/aapanels/teentitans3OYL/titans_52_21.jpg

Anyone think Power Boy was pretty interesting? What could be his story?
The character has potential, but his costume really sucks ass. Even within Teen Titan standards.