Teen Titans/Titans Discussion Thread

[hippie_hunter]

EFFING SWEEET! Donna will also be a part of Titans East!

I am so stoked for this book!

[TheCorpulent1]

I would be if Winick weren't writing it. All the new line-up means is that Winick's going to get a chance to sink his hooks into the New Teen Titans roster and **** them up. I'm waiting with baited breath for the issue where Beast Boy and Cyborg wake up in bed together.

[Varient]

So what about this Wonder Girl preview (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Sept07/previews/19th.html)? It looks like Cassie has something sort of resembling a personality again, which is good. It also looks like Amazons Attack is going to feature somewhat prominently, which is less good. And...wow to that art. That's going to take some getting used to.

I'll just read the predictable argueing with her love interest to show she has a mind before she relents and tries to get with him.:dry:

[fifthfiend]

I'll just read the predictable argueing with her love interest to show she has a mind before she relents and tries to get with him.:dry:

Maybe she can adopt a kid, and then Tim can kidnap it out from under her by faking its horrific death right in front of her eyes. That always gets the ladies hot. :up:

[Superman_]

I could care less about this Wonder Girl series unless they have Conner in it. I mean tell a past story about one of their dates or something but if he is not in this then there is no reason for me to pick it up. Just like Teen Titans after this Titans Tomorrow arc is done if Conner is not back in the book then there is no need for me to get it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, McKeever's a pretty good reason to continue getting Teen Titans after the current arc for me.

[Tropico]

Not from me,.. not going to argue a point that makes folk who never consider cause and effect as part of a story being told as being relevant sound silly.

HAND
(HAVE A NICE DAY)
:dry:

Heh, I know. I already know that the superhero sex thing is one of your pet peeves, it doesn't bother me. I've agreed with it on other threads, especially the Superman orgasm. It all comes down to what you want to suspend disbelief with. You might be ok to suspend some stuff that Fifthfiend would throw a fit about and viceversa. It's just really amusing to see people rant like that and actually scold other people for not "suspending disbelief" when it's an entirely subjective thing.

Anyway, there were some replies later so the pop corn wasn't wasted.:woot:

[Superman_]

Well, McKeever's a pretty good reason to continue getting Teen Titans after the current arc for me.Besides this arc the only other thing I heard from him that might make me pick it up again is that he said he is getting rid of the whole Wonder Girl/Robin thing.

[LadyVader]

God bless him.

[Varient]

Maybe she can adopt a kid, and then Tim can kidnap it out from under her by faking its horrific death right in front of her eyes. That always gets the ladies hot. :up:

No doubt.

On Topic: One thing DC Will be able to do is have her stumble across an Amazon with no memory from time to time. let her start a "Wondergirl Corps".

Meh,... I can't keep a straight face.

[Varient]

Heh, I know. I already know that the superhero sex thing is one of your pet peeves, it doesn't bother me. I've agreed with it on other threads, especially the Superman orgasm. It all comes down to what you want to suspend disbelief with. You might be ok to suspend some stuff that Fifthfiend would throw a fit about and viceversa. It's just really amusing to see people rant like that and actually scold other people for not "suspending disbelief" when it's an entirely subjective thing.

Anyway, there were some replies later so the pop corn wasn't wasted.:woot:

Bottom line,.. It comes down to "ground rules".

I don't need to know exactly how Superman or Green Lantern flies,... It's established that both can move above ground in a gravitational field with the only limitations being the speed of light,.. and both sidestep that one in their own ways.

But KNOWING that they can fly,.... Having either one getting hurt from falling is extremely unlikely,.. Unless one falls onto a kryptonite spike or the other is a rookie and its a yellow spike.

I have the same gripe when people expect a hero to be able to physically stop a speeding car - yet be put in the hospital by being stabbed by a penn knife.

If Spiderman can leap 3 stories straight up,... and is multiple times more limber than the average human being,.. this means he can run much faster too,.... over 100 miles an hour the last time the company wrote about it,....

EVEN IF it's not touched upon because he's not a wolf spider, he's a house spider,... running over ground is not what his power set is all about,.... BUT HE CAN STILL RUN FAST.

Yet I bet you that if a story was written where he couldn't take to web swinging that a purse snatcher out ran him,... you'd hear not a peep out of a lot of the fan base because it just wouldn't occur to them that form must follow function.
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If the ground rules say that Superman can juggle frieght cars,.... yet sometimes dent, damage, or squish, things when tired, angry, or rushed,.... it is a small step to realize he could concievably roll over and crush lois in his sleep,...

[sinewave]

If the ground rules say that Superman can juggle frieght cars,.... yet sometimes dent, damage, or squish, things when tired, angry, or rushed,.... it is a small step to realize he could concievably roll over and crush lois in his sleep,...

good point. what if he's got the jimmy legs? he'd kick a hole right through lois.

[fifthfiend]

Bottom line,.. It comes down to "ground rules".

I don't need to know exactly how Superman or Green Lantern flies,... It's established that both can move above ground in a gravitational field with the only limitations being the speed of light,.. and both sidestep that one in their own ways.

But KNOWING that they can fly,.... Having either one getting hurt from falling is extremely unlikely,.. Unless one falls onto a kryptonite spike or the other is a rookie and its a yellow spike.

I have the same gripe when people expect a hero to be able to physically stop a speeding car - yet be put in the hospital by being stabbed by a penn knife.

If Spiderman can leap 3 stories straight up,... and is multiple times more limber than the average human being,.. this means he can run much faster too,.... over 100 miles an hour the last time the company wrote about it,....

EVEN IF it's not touched upon because he's not a wolf spider, he's a house spider,... running over ground is not what his power set is all about,.... BUT HE CAN STILL RUN FAST.

Yet I bet you that if a story was written where he couldn't take to web swinging that a purse snatcher out ran him,... you'd hear not a peep out of a lot of the fan base because it just wouldn't occur to them that form must follow function.

If the ground rules say that Superman can juggle frieght cars,.... yet sometimes dent, damage, or squish, things when tired, angry, or rushed,.... it is a small step to realize he could concievably roll over and crush lois in his sleep,...

I'm all for ground rules, I'm just saying you kind of have to have ground rules that allow the character to actually be able to exist as part of the world. A Superman who lacks control over his powers to a degree that he'd kill Lois in her sleep is a Superman who would just as easily collapse his entire apartment building, slaughter the entire newsroom staff of the Daily Planet by yawning, and eviscerate half the people he tried to save via the occasional involuntary muscle spasms. Sure it'd be consistent, it's just that then every Superman comic would be Superman floating around the void of space thinking to himself "gee it'd be nice to go and help some people with my powers, it's a shame I can't interact with anyone without causing incalculable death and devastation."

This is what I meant about suspensions of disbelief; if you can accept that high-powered heroes can conduct the thousands of everyday interactions required for them to exist in the world without tearing it in half, I don't get why you'd get uniquely torqued about one particular kind of interaction that's pretty comparatively rare and at that, only ever occurs off-panel.

[Varient]

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whew.:dry:

[Varient]

I'm all for ground rules, I'm just saying you kind of have to have ground rules that allow the character to actually be able to exist as part of the world. A Superman who lacks control over his powers to a degree that he'd kill Lois in her sleep is a Superman who would just as easily collapse his entire apartment building, slaughter the entire newsroom staff of the Daily Planet by yawning, and eviscerate half the people he tried to save via the occasional involuntary muscle spasms. Sure it'd be consistent, it's just that then every Superman comic would be Superman floating around the void of space thinking to himself "gee it'd be nice to go and help some people with my powers, it's a shame I can't interact with anyone without causing incalculable death and devastation."

This is what I meant about suspensions of disbelief; if you can accept that high-powered heroes can conduct the thousands of everyday interactions required for them to exist in the world without tearing it in half, I don't get why you'd get uniquely torqued about one particular kind of interaction that's pretty comparatively rare and at that, only ever occurs off-panel.

Probably because it would be consistant as far as the things he does mess up on.

No heat,. I understand where you are coming from.

[fifthfiend]

It don't matter where he is, Herc still loves him the ladies.

[Superman_]

Conner & Bart owns you all

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Dec07/TT54_solicit.jpg


TEEN TITANS #54
Written by Sean McKeever
Art by Eddy Barrows & Rob Hunter
Conner, Bart and the other Titans of Tomorrow have planted the seed that will ensure their totalitarian future comes to pass. All that remains is to eliminate those who would oppose them. Watch out, Ravager! Watch out, Supergirl! And most definitely watch out, Blue Beetle!
On sale December 26 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

[Kitsune]

I would be if Winick weren't writing it. All the new line-up means is that Winick's going to get a chance to sink his hooks into the New Teen Titans roster and **** them up. I'm waiting with baited breath for the issue where Beast Boy and Cyborg wake up in bed together.

Has it even been establish that Cyborg has the special parts to make that possible?

[Varient]

Conner & Bart owns you all

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Dec07/TT54_solicit.jpg


TEEN TITANS #54
Written by Sean McKeever
Art by Eddy Barrows & Rob Hunter
Conner, Bart and the other Titans of Tomorrow have planted the seed that will ensure their totalitarian future comes to pass. All that remains is to eliminate those who would oppose them. Watch out, Ravager! Watch out, Supergirl! And most definitely watch out, Blue Beetle!
On sale December 26 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

Sigh.
I'm kinda surprised they can move around and cause this kinda damage w/o the green lantern corp, JSA, Outsiders, and the remainder of the JLA getting into the mix.

[Doc Destruction]

Kind of like when Magneto DESTROYED NYC and the Avengers, Spidey and the FF didn't even notice? ;)

[Kitsune]

It don't matter where he is, Herc still loves him the ladies.

And his shield bearers

[BrianWilly]

Looks like Cassie's possibly getting a costume update-of-sorts.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Dec07/4_DCU/WGRL_Cv4.jpg

[Fledermaus]

Better than jeans.

[TheCorpulent1]

Sweet Jeebus I'm looking forward to seeing Conner rock Supergirl. I know it's petty or whatever, but if Johns can be petty and still get published, I can live with being petty here. :)
Sigh.
I'm kinda surprised they can move around and cause this kinda damage w/o the green lantern corp, JSA, Outsiders, and the remainder of the JLA getting into the mix.
What kind of damage? They're punching the two worst Teen Titans ever in their respective faces in what appears to be an uninhabited desert setting. :confused:

[Tropico]

What kind of damage? They're punching the two worst Teen Titans ever in their respective faces in what appears to be an uninhabited desert setting. :confused:

Planting the seeds for a totalitarian future is probably what he meant by damage.

[TheCorpulent1]

Pff, they could just be really little seeds. :whatever:

[Tropico]

Is that the best you can come up with to mask the shame that it was obvious what he was talking about if you had bothered to read the solicitation?:o

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I was just joking that time. But I stand by my earlier comment. We have absolutely no clue what the Titans of Tomorrow are doing in the present or what kind of scale their plans are on. We know they'll have major repercussions in the future if they're setting the stage for their totalitarian future to come into being, but we don't know what that means for the present. It could literally just wind up meaning that they have to beat the crap out of the Titans of the present for all we know. Besides, the JLA and the JSA and all the other teams could've been off saving the world from Solaris again that week or something. It's never a problem when the JLA handles major threats without any assistance from the Titans or the JSA; why's it a big deal for the Titans now? :confused:

[Tropico]

No, I was just joking that time. But I stand by my earlier comment. We have absolutely no clue what the Titans of Tomorrow are doing in the present or what kind of scale their plans are on. We know they'll have major repercussions in the future if they're setting the stage for their totalitarian future to come into being, but we don't know what that means for the present. It could literally just wind up meaning that they have to beat the crap out of the Titans of the present for all we know. Besides, the JLA and the JSA and all the other teams could've been off saving the world from Solaris again that week or something. It's never a problem when the JLA handles major threats without any assistance from the Titans or the JSA; why's it a big deal for the Titans now? :confused:

Because in a previous solicitation it says they beat the JLA.:o:whatever:

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, there you go: that's why the JLA isn't helping. Duh. :whatever:

[Eros]

I find it hard to believe adult conner could last even a few minutes with a pure blooded fully powered Kryptonian.

[Tropico]

I don't find it hard to believe. If I was one of them, I wouldn't pair up in obvious fashion. Send in Cassie who has an edge with magic or even Miss Martian to get Supes on my side since he isn't as invulnerable to mental manipulation.

[TheCorpulent1]

I find it hard to believe adult conner could last even a few minutes with a pure blooded fully powered Kryptonian.
Then you've misconstrued adult Conner's power level. His power still work on solar radiation absorption. He may be able to store less solar radiation or process it less effectively into powers than a full-blooded Kryptonian, but he's definitely not that far behind one. Plus he's got full-blown telekinesis by the time he's an adult, not just the tactile telekinesis he had as a teenager. He blasted the entire Titans East team away with it in his first appearance.

[Eros]

Then you've misconstrued adult Conner's power level. His power still work on solar radiation absorption. He may be able to store less solar radiation or process it less effectively into powers than a full-blooded Kryptonian, but he's definitely not that far behind one. Plus he's got full-blown telekinesis by the time he's an adult, not just the tactile telekinesis he had as a teenager. He blasted the entire Titans East team away with it in his first appearance.

full blooded Kryptonians can move planets.

[TheCorpulent1]

Neither Superman nor Supergirl has moved any planets lately and you know it. :o

[Eros]

Neither Superman nor Supergirl has moved any planets lately and you know it. :o


according to interviews you will see that sometime in the near future. but come on the silver-age is returning in DC, superman will soon be jungleing moons.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, right now they're not moving any planets. Besides, even if they do, the rest of the universe will just wind up scaling up with them.

[Eros]

Well, right now they're not moving any planets. Besides, even if they do, the rest of the universe will just wind up scaling up with them.

you keep telling yourself that.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't have to tell myself; DC has told me over the last twenty years.

[Eros]

I don't have to tell myself; DC has told me over the last twenty years.


How does that relate to the power level of a dead 90s character, that many of the DC old schoolers staff didn't like?

[Hush]

How come, now dont bring up the **** about the siegel family, the writers havent explored the idea of Infinity Kid bringing connor back or have they?

[TheCorpulent1]

You mean Kid Eternity? No, they haven't explored that, but I doubt they will.
How does that relate to the power level of a dead 90s character, that many of the DC old schoolers staff didn't like?
Who didn't like Conner? He was killed off for legal reasons because of the Siegel case over ownership of the Superboy name and because they needed a major sacrifice but didn't want to use Nightwing anymore, plain and simple.

[Coldqueen]

If they were having problems with legalities they could have just gone back to Mon-El or retconned it so that it always HAD been Mon-El. He's basically a Superboy knock-off.

[Kitsune]

Neither Superman nor Supergirl has moved any planets lately and you know it. :o

Actually we don't know for sure... I mean it would just look like they were doing handstands.

[Hush]

You mean Kid Eternity? No, they haven't explored that, but I doubt they will.



Yeah that was his name, sorry bout that. Honestly though I mean you would think at least ONE of the Titans would remember him and think to ask him.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's not really Kid Eternity's thing, though. Remember, the last time the Titans met up with Kid Eternity, he was forced to hold the gates of death open. He didn't want to resurrect anybody. I doubt he'd happily toy with the rules of the universe just to make some superheroes he met once feel better.
If they were having problems with legalities they could have just gone back to Mon-El or retconned it so that it always HAD been Mon-El. He's basically a Superboy knock-off.
What now? :confused:

[Varient]

Kind of like when Magneto DESTROYED NYC and the Avengers, Spidey and the FF didn't even notice? ;)

exactly.

How much more belief am I supposed to suspend?

I'm already stretching my credulity with the Wonderwench/RobinDweeb storyline.

Wonder Has been way more stable in the past,.. And Robin usually packs a bigger pair.

[Hush]

That's not really Kid Eternity's thing, though. Remember, the last time the Titans met up with Kid Eternity, he was forced to hold the gates of death open. He didn't want to resurrect anybody. I doubt he'd happily toy with the rules of the universe just to make some superheroes he met once feel better.


While I see your point I can also see the Titans at least asking but instead of trying to clone a clone for godsakes. I dont know i just see it as a minor little thing that could in the long run be a nice one shot for Tim/Cassie or something.

[Primal Slayer]

Ale' Garza is out of Teen Titans and the artist who did Countdown to Adventure will be jumping ship to the title permanently (so CTA is getting a new artist aswell)

[Colossal Spoons]

I forgot what it was like to enjoy a TT issue, but this week's issue was a breath of fresh air.

[The Leaguer]

Garza's art was beautiful. I need more of it.

[TheCorpulent1]

lolz:
Ale' Garza is out of Teen Titans and the artist who did Countdown to Adventure will be jumping ship to the title permanently (so CTA is getting a new artist aswell)

[The Leaguer]

I don't get it.

[TheCorpulent1]

You want more Ale Garza, but he left. I lol at your misfortune.

[The Leaguer]

I didn't say I want more Ale Garza on Titans, I want more in general.

[TheCorpulent1]

So marry him.

[The Leaguer]

I did, but he got a restraining order when he made my sandwich wrong.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why must we always hurt the ones we love?

[The Leaguer]

Because they don't understand the difference between provolone and cheddar.

[TheCorpulent1]

Man, Garza's stupid.

[The Leaguer]

At least he can draw.

[TheCorpulent1]

Badly.

[The Leaguer]

Jealousy rears its ugly head.

[TheCorpulent1]

Right after Garza rears his stupid, anatomically incorrect one.

[The Leaguer]

Envy is unbecoming of you.

[TheCorpulent1]

Drawing is unbecoming of Garza.

[The Leaguer]

You are so selfish.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thank you.

[Assassin]

great issue :up:

[BrianWilly]

Teen Titans #51
Ha! I so called it! (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=9026169&#post9026169) I swear to Buffy I'm so awesome I don't even know what to do, I'm just that awesome. All this really shows is that everyone should always listen to me because I'll turn out to be right a year or two down the line.

As for the rest of the issue, it's quite good. Much better, of course, than the horrible mess we had on this title pre-McKeever. The narrative does suffer, unfortunately, from a bit of jumpy "Okay here's what we need to say to move the plot bunnies along aaaand GO. Go NOW." By the time Kara and Cassie were fighting Starro I was like...what? Starro? Why are they...wait...future...does what? Maybe I'm just a bit inattentive this week.

Future Miss Martian is hella cool, incidentally, and I hope we see more of her business. If she has no fear of fire, she is potentially as powerful as Fernus, which means she's potentially the single most powerful thing on the planet.

And I can't believe someone finally remembered that Wendy and Marvin still live at Titans Tower. Wow, it only took like ten or eleven issues. Props to McKeever for actually bothering to read prior issues, unlike some other replacement writers I could name.

(7.8 out of 10)

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope Blue Beetle finds the other Titans and is the factor that turns the tide. They don't have a direct counter for him, unlike all of the other Titans who matter.

[Fledermaus]

Robin probably cloned Ted Kord too, cause he's prepared for every possible outcome, because he's Batman now. Or then. Time travel confuses me.

[Varient]

good issue.
Beetle makes the difference,
Nice cliff-hanger with Robin,
Nuff Said.

[trustyside-kick]

I liked the latest issue.

[The Leaguer]

Yay!

[TheCorpulent1]

Robin probably cloned Ted Kord too, cause he's prepared for every possible outcome, because he's Batman now. Or then. Time travel confuses me.
He's probably got clones of himself, too. Also, that Superboy emo-punch thing was just a lie; Jason Todd really came back because Tim cloned him from a tiny bit of poop he left in his Robin underoos the first time he got hit by Scarecrow's gas.

[Fledermaus]

They should totally re-retcon that. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Geez, it really would be a better resurrection for Jason, wouldn't it? DC should employ me for five-minute bull**** sessions every week. I'd make their comics masterpieces.

[LadyVader]

Issue 51 was a bit all over the place, a bit to fragmented but then again I got used to that on Teen Titans since they rarely actually fight as a team.

Oh, and I miss Conner!!!!!!

[Anubis]

Eh, I'm over it.

[sethcohen]

so who is winnick going to turn gay in his titans series? who will he give aids to?
my guess is he turns nightwing and arsenal gay and gives donna amazon super-aids

[TheCorpulent1]

Arsenal gets a relapse at the very least. :up:

[sethcohen]

maybe he will get raven hooked on the junk too hahaha

[TheCorpulent1]

She probably does drugs already. She's the very essence of emo.

[Kitsune]

Beast boy will get Rabies.

[sethcohen]

no, hell get rAIDs... a deadly mutation of rabies and AIDs

[Mogwai]

So, who's enjoying the current arc? I like it a lot.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's been good. McKeever needs to ditch the last of Beechen and Johns' remaining crap and start a new chapter in the Titans' lives, though. Finish up that nonsense about Robin and Wonder Girl's attraction, make Blue Beetle a full-time team member, get rid of Supergirl and Ravager, and bring Conner and Bart back. The team would be perfect again.

[Varient]

So, who's enjoying the current arc? I like it a lot.

Well,...............

I wish Ms Martian would Grow and keep a pair.

That they would resolve the Tim, Cassie, Conner triangle by bringing back Conner "somehow".

That they Decide once and for all if they are going to let Ravager Exhale and be a team player.

That they Keep BB as "for emergencies only" I love the character "As Is" and don't want him ruined by exposure to Kara, Cassie, and Ms Martian. All three of them have issues that would twist him up.

That if they become "the Junior Titan's team" that they "have fun".

I'm not asking for too much am I?

[Doc Destruction]

It's been good. McKeever needs to ditch the last of Beechen and Johns' remaining crap and start a new chapter in the Titans' lives, though. Finish up that nonsense about Robin and Wonder Girl's attraction, make Blue Beetle a full-time team member, get rid of Supergirl and Ravager, and bring Conner and Bart back. The team would be perfect again.

Leave Ravager and Kid Devil. Rose has that bad girl trying to be good girl quality - I like it. Add Blue Beetle. F Conner and Bart. Never got the interest in them.

[Hush]

This Blue Beetle character is hilarious, I need to start picking up his book.

[TheCorpulent1]

His book is great. :up:

[Doc Destruction]

I've been thinking of starting it up as well. I really like the character a lot more than I thought I would.

[TheCorpulent1]

His book is still great. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

So, who's enjoying the current arc? I like it a lot.

:up:

Kid Devil needs to hurry up and hit the gym already :D

[Mogwai]

^^ why? so he can look like his future counterpart?

[Hellstormer]

^^ why? so he can look like his future counterpart?
His future counterpart was badass, maybe if he wouldn't hunch over he'd look awesome.

[Colossal Spoons]

^^ why? so he can look like his future counterpart?

Yeah, look like but definitely not act like

[Mogwai]

yeah, he'd look huge if he didn't hunch.

[Colossal Spoons]

I also like the way Tim's Batman looks. I've always hated the grey on Bats' suit. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Tim's Batman suit has gray on it. :confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

I just looked again. It does but overall it looks much darker :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

It seemed basically the same except for the shorter gloves and boots to me.

[fifthfiend]

Leave Ravager and Kid Devil. Rose has that bad girl trying to be good girl quality - I like it. Add Blue Beetle. F Conner and Bart. Never got the interest in them.

Those are great ideas, for DC to do the exact opposite of.

Aside from the bit about Beetle.

[Mogwai]

ravager and kid devil gotta stay.

[Aristotle]

I don't know, I think Kid Devil gotta figure out how to not become a slave to Neron, more than he gotta stay in the Teen Titans.

[Mogwai]

yeah, true. thankfully he has a couple years.

[Kevin]

ravager and kid devil gotta stay.
The only characters I enjoyed when OYL started were Rose and Eddie. That mostly continues to be the case.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope someone stabs Ravager in her other eye and she dies with gray matter squirting out of the ruined socket. :up:

[Aristotle]

Well that's not very nice. Why the hate on Ravager?

[Mogwai]

I hope someone stabs Ravager in her other eye and she dies with gray matter squirting out of the ruined socket. :up:

ouch...

[TheCorpulent1]

Well that's not very nice. Why the hate on Ravager?
She's a terrible cliché of a character--the bad girl who's really vulnerable deep down but too maladjusted to let people in. That's the kind of character that belongs in cheesy teen movies, not my Teen Titans comics. Of course, the rest of the cast wasn't much better around OYL, but they've been slowly returning to something approaching their normal personalities. Rose started out at her normal personality and is still there, so she hasn't even grown much as a character, either. Kill her or ditch her, I say; either way, she brings nothing but triteness to the comic.

[LouFerignoDemon]

You know she'll be raped before the end too. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know that, but you seem awfully sure. :confused:

[Anubis]

Gloon can spot a future rape victum a mile away.

[Mogwai]

or deathstroke will succeed in killing her.

[TheCorpulent1]

Either one of those is acceptable to me.

[sinewave]

or deathstroke will succeed in killing her.

make it a murder-suicide and i'm on board. deathstroke has become too overexposed and overpowered for my tastes.

[TheCorpulent1]

Batgirl should kick his ass a few times. It'd knock him down a peg and make more sense than someone like Green Arrow beating him. :up:

[sinewave]

Batgirl should kick his ass a few times. It'd knock him down a peg and make more sense than someone like Green Arrow beating him. :up:

as long as meltzer doesn't write that fight.

[Varient]

I hope someone stabs Ravager in her other eye and she dies with gray matter squirting out of the ruined socket. :up:

damn.

[Varient]

as long as meltzer doesn't write that fight.

damn.

(checking the calendar)

Is today Harsh day?

[Colossal Spoons]

She's a terrible cliché of a character--the bad girl who's really vulnerable deep down but too maladjusted to let people in. That's the kind of character that belongs in cheesy teen movies, not my Teen Titans comics. Of course, the rest of the cast wasn't much better around OYL, but they've been slowly returning to something approaching their normal personalities. Rose started out at her normal personality and is still there, so she hasn't even grown much as a character, either. Kill her or ditch her, I say; either way, she brings nothing but triteness to the comic.


Totally agree. I'm mad that Bombshell (or whatever that little Captain Atom girl's name was) ended up being bad cuz I'd have liked her for the team.

[Mogwai]

yeah, she (bombshell) was great. i liked when she told raven that she was going to blow that diamond right through her forehead.

[WompuM]

YOu guys are obviously missing the obvious here. Deathstroke will kill AND rape her. But not before she gives birth to her daughter/sister.
Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.

[WompuM]

Totally agree. I'm mad that Bombshell (or whatever that little Captain Atom girl's name was) ended up being bad cuz I'd have liked her for the team.

You didn't get the DC 2007 memo?
All Capt. Atom and Capt. Atom related characters = evil?

And call me crazy but are they ever going to deal with the fact that Earth-3 Robin, a.k.a. Talon, is running around in the current DCU? He was featured in the Crime Society Countdown Special and he was in the OYL titans recruit splash page with all the polaroids.

[Aristotle]

I think the implication of the Crime Society special was that he actually became the resurrected Jason Todd, and that whatever her name was became Duela Dent.

On that subject, was anyone else saddened that the Jokester went out so quickly? I woulda liked to see more of him.

[WompuM]

Jason Todd? I did NOT pick up on that. How did you draw that conclusion?

[Colossal Spoons]

yeah, she (bombshell) was great. i liked when she told raven that she was going to blow that diamond right through her forehead.

Yeah, and she wanted Cyborg so bad :D

[Anubis]

I didn't like her and i'm glad the b***h is dead.

[Aristotle]

Jason Todd? I did NOT pick up on that. How did you draw that conclusion?It just seemed HEAVILY implied. Part of it was that the Jokester's Daughter obviously was supposed to have been Duela Dent, the one that the Monitor killed. Part of it was that the two Robin characters were kinda similar. Part of it was that it was implied that the two disappeared together.

Maybe that's it. I just know I felt it was HEAVILY implied.

[sethcohen]

um... no it didnt... youre imagining things...

[Aristotle]

OK. You're entitled to your opinion.

[Colossal Spoons]

I didn't like her and i'm glad the b***h is dead.

I don't remember her dying. They took her powers away though

[spiderbob]

I don't remember her dying. They took her powers away though

Batgirl slit her throat. I know others have come back from worse, but the impression I got was that she was a goner.

[Stealth_Prime]

I hope they bring back Terra back......

[DoomJester]

Just read the newest issue, 54, and it was a decent conclusion, but the
"epilogue" left me really confused... anybody who read it care to explain exactly what happened? Hopefully the writers will clarify where they are going with this series...

[Kitsune]

I hope they bring back Terra back......

I remember reading about plans for a new Terra... she had short black hair and I'm not sure what she had to do with the original Terra, nothing ever actyually happend with it though.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I remember reading about plans for a new Terra... she had short black hair and I'm not sure what she had to do with the original Terra, nothing ever actyually happend with it though.

She came out in a Super Girl book last year but I dont think they used her again.

[Kitsune]

She came out in a Super Girl book last year but I dont think they used her again.
Well if it's the same Terra... she's filled out.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/Terra01covercol.png

[TheCorpulent1]

Hasn't Terra died like 3 times now? Just let the ***** rest. :o

[Kitsune]

Hasn't Terra died like 3 times now? Just let the ***** rest. :o

Maybe she's the Kenny of DC.... "Oh my God... you killed Terra... you B*$#$ds"

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess the post-CoIE/pre-IC period was like that season where Kenny stayed dead, then.

[Assassin]

I remember reading about plans for a new Terra... she had short black hair and I'm not sure what she had to do with the original Terra, nothing ever actyually happend with it though.

she came back in SUpergirl, she was a new terra, then she died again by superboy prime

[TheCorpulent1]

Everything old is new again and everything new is dead. :up:

[Mogwai]

so, terra is DC's jean grey?

[Hellstormer]

Everything old is new again and everything new is dead. :up:
What is your avatar? looks like Beast Wars.

I remember there being plans for a Terra mini.

[TheCorpulent1]

My avatar is indeed from Beast Wars.

[Hush]

IT is a amazingly badass avatar from Beast Wars at that.

[Eros]

My avatar is indeed from Beast Wars.

Long live Dinobot!:csad:

[Aristotle]

so, terra is DC's jean grey?Yeah, but with a less-bull**** resurrection.

Just read the newest issue, 54, and it was a decent conclusion, but the
"epilogue" left me really confused... anybody who read it care to explain exactly what happened? Hopefully the writers will clarify where they are going with this series...I don't know, maybe they're suggesting that the Titans Tomorrow future timeline still exists or something, so we HAVEN'T SEEN THE LAST OF THEM YET!

[TheCorpulent1]

How was Terra resurrected?

[Assassin]

she wasnt the same terra

[TheCorpulent1]

But... that's how Jean was resurrected the first time. :dry:

[Assassin]

Terra isnt JEAN

[TheCorpulent1]

But she apparently has surprisingly similar resurrection methods. Were there any underwater cocoons involved in Terra's return?

[Assassin]

no, mephiesto convinced geoforce that if he brought back his sister she wouldnt be his sister anymore.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wonder how many variations of that joke we'll see around here for the next week or two.

[The Leaguer]

Not enough.

[WompuM]

I forgot Black Adam punched her through the body.

[Assassin]

yea you're right, i said prime did

[TheCorpulent1]

The Silver Age Terra will return to take her place pretty soon, if DC's recent track record is any indication.

[Kitsune]

The Silver Age Terra will return to take her place pretty soon, if DC's recent track record is any indication.

Blame it on a Superboy-Prime retcon punch.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's even dumber than being stuck in a coccoon while a cosmic entity impersonates her. :o

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The Silver Age Terra will return to take her place pretty soon, if DC's recent track record is any indication.


There's is no Silver Age Terra.The Silver Age ended in the early 70's and Terra made her first apperance in 1982.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Silver Age ended with the Crisis on Infinite Earths for me. :oldrazz:

[Varient]

meh.

I liked the dark haired, healthly endowed, girl-scout-like, "new and improved Terra - Now with Kung-Fu grip."

[CBG]

I rather have the future Titans of Titans Tomorrow an alternate Earth.

[Stealth_Prime]

meh.

I liked the dark haired, healthly endowed, girl-scout-like, "new and improved Terra - Now with Kung-Fu grip."

I'll miss the old Terra....but like many things the old must give way to the new. they replaced the Robins, the Batgirls, Vigilantes, Flashes, Green Lanterns, Dr. Fates, Hourmans, etc, etc, etc

Why should Terra be any different.

[Hellstormer]

I'll miss the old Terra....but like many things the old must give way to the new. they replaced the Robins, the Batgirls, Vigilantes, Flashes, Green Lanterns, Dr. Fates, Hourmans, etc, etc, etc

Why should Terra be any different.
And yet Batman and Superman haven't had more than a month long fling.

[Mogwai]

^^of course not, lol. $$$$$

[Smirnoff]

And yet Batman and Superman haven't had more than a month long fling.


No ****? Batman and Supes >>> Terra

[Hush]

I liked this issue but that ending kinda threw me for one. It was slightly silly.

[Aristotle]

That's even dumber than being stuck in a coccoon while a cosmic entity impersonates her. :oI disagree.

[TheCorpulent1]

At that level of stupidity, it's all just semantics anyway.

[Aristotle]

They are both pretty dumb, aren't they?

[TheCorpulent1]

Quite muchly.

[trustyside-kick]

So apparently 8 years down the road and Tim still makes the same mistakes?

[TheCorpulent1]

Looks like. Only he's also ****ing Cassie this time. :dry:

[Aristotle]

AND M'Gann.

[fifthfiend]

At that level of stupidity, it's all just semantics anyway.

"Which is bigger, infinity or eternity?"

[Hellstormer]

"Which is bigger, infinity or eternity?"
Eternity by 1.

[Aristotle]

So how 'bout that Year One mini?

[sinewave]

So how 'bout that Year One mini?

i dug it. who's this wolfram chick? i like her dialog.

[GoldenAgeHero]

the ending threw me off..I never thought batman would hit a kid like that.

unless its slade dressed as batman.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

the ending threw me off..I never thought batman would hit a kid like that.

unless its slade dressed as batman.

I'f I'm right year one is a retelling of one of the very first stories where all the adult Heroes were being controled by someone and being forced to commit crimes.


I cant remember who was controling them.

[Darthphere]

People are still reading Teen Titans?

[Frico]

Looks like. Only he's also ****ing Cassie this time. :dry:

Can I get some scans of this?

I'd be in that person's debt :o:up:

[Aristotle]

People are still reading Teen Titans?**** yeah, dude! Titans of Tomorrow was great (until the cornfuzzling ending), and this Year One mini looks alright.

[Kevin]

Yeah, no, this book has hit lame for me. I'll read 54, then 55, then I'll make up my mind about reading anymore.

[TheCorpulent1]

People are still reading Teen Titans?
**** yeah, dude! Titans of Tomorrow was great (until the cornfuzzling ending), and this Year One mini looks alright.
I wouldn't say it was great, but it was pretty good. McKeever needs to drop that Tim/Cassie nonsense ASAP, but other than that and the slightly muddled feeling of the story itself, it was pretty good. The book still feels like it's missing a lot with Conner and Bart gone, but Blue Beetle, Kid Devil, and M'gann are interesting (although I wish M'gann would drop the facade and just be her normal white Martian self). I'll continue to read it in the hopes that Ravager is gruesomely murdered.

[the_ultimate_evil]

just read 54 why go through all that to have a decent finish that wrapped up things and then tag on a crappy epilogue which just mess's it all up again

[Colossal Spoons]

I really hope Blue Beetle doesn't betray the Titans


And um, why to Tim and Cassie feel the need to make out mid-battle EVERY DAMN TIME!?

[Colossal Spoons]

The book still feels like it's missing a lot with Conner and Bart gone, but Blue Beetle, Kid Devil, and M'gann are interesting (although I wish M'gann would drop the facade and just be her normal white Martian self). I'll continue to read it in the hopes that Ravager is gruesomely murdered.

Bart and Conner's absences are definitely missed. You want M'gann to be her scary white martian self or the socially acceptable one? I wouldn't mind seeing Ravager murdered either. She's next after Molly :o

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't really care how white Martiany she goes, I just wish she'd allow herself to be white rather than green. J'onn changes his appearance from his natural Martian appearance, but he at least retains his proper skin color and accepts all the perceptions that go along with it. If M'gann is afraid of being associated with evil white Martians, I would think she'd want to wear her color proudly as a hero to try and change that perception. Granted, she couldn't go tearing people apart like she did to her future self and all, but baby steps, y'know?

[Colossal Spoons]

Self hating Martian. So sad

[TheCorpulent1]

I really want to see an issue where M'gann and J'onn talk.

[Colossal Spoons]

It's long overdue

[Aristotle]

And um, why to Tim and Cassie feel the need to make out mid-battle EVERY DAMN TIME!?Hormones.

If M'gann is afraid of being associated with evil white Martians, I would think she'd want to wear her color proudly as a hero to try and change that perception. Granted, she couldn't go tearing people apart like she did to her future self and all, but baby steps, y'know?That sort of thing never worked for the X-Men, though...

It's long overdueSo are a million good things involving J'onn.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hormones.

Somebody needs to hose those 2 down. Although, Tim and M'gann hookin up in 8 years is interesting

So are a million good things involving J'onn.

Agreed

[TheCorpulent1]

That sort of thing never worked for the X-Men, though...
Only because other mutants were always around, blowing people up and stealing ****. M'gann's the only active white Martian on Earth, and if she and J'onn are the examples of Mars' races, they come off making their planet look pretty good.

So long as M'gann stops tearing people apart, again.

[Aristotle]

Yeah, but doesn't everyone remember the damn Hyperclan?

[TheCorpulent1]

So they'll be suspicious at first. My point is that if M'gann is the only white Martian, they'd get accustomed to her and eventually learn to trust her. It's not like the X-Men, who constantly do good but constantly have evil mutants tearing down the goodwill they build.

[Varient]

I really want to see an issue where M'gann and J'onn talk.

I agree.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wonder how likely it'll be, given that DC editorial apparently has something planned for J'onn. Chuck Dixon was forced to remove him from Outsiders.

[Colossal Spoons]

Oh really? Didn't know he was forced. Hmmm

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, they didn't hold a gun to his head or anything. He was brought on to replace Bedard and, when he got the job, editorial was like, "Catwoman and the Martian Manhunter need to be gone by the end of #2."

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I figured they didn't take his wife hostage or anything lol. I'm anxious to see what they have planned though :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

If J'onn gets back on the JLA full-time (and not just doing some bull**** like monitor duty all the time), I'll probably pick that series up again.

[Colossal Spoons]

He'd be much appreciated. There's space too, now that Geo-Force is gone

[TheCorpulent1]

But Geo-Force was never really a member.

:o

[Colossal Spoons]

Ouch

[Stealth_Prime]

being related to a member doesn't count

[Fledermaus]

What member of the Justice League is Geo-Force related to?

[TheCorpulent1]

Himself. I think Stealth_Prime was talking about the Titans, unaware that the conversation had shifted to the JLA.

[Fledermaus]

Your sig should be 'No means no.'. Cause it does.

[sethcohen]

so when did jamal igle forget how to draw? looks like he took pointers from the artist that was doing the titans east arc... whats his name? buanavita or something

[sethcohen]

excuse me... it was the stupid amazon tie ins, not the titans east arc

[WompuM]

both MM and Catwoman play heavy roles in salvation run.

[TheCorpulent1]

Uh... thanks?

[sethcohen]

its like he channels dead crazy people???

[WompuM]

somewhat interesting issue today. Lots of set-ups. Kid Devil is being a lil' beyotch. it seems though that terror titans are just a less interesting version of titans east.

[BrianWilly]

Teen Titans #55
Mm. I'm gonna start to trade-wait this, if I even buy it at all.

When did everyone become such gigantic asshoel douchebags? Rose was always a douchebag, but everyone else? First of all, "Not entirely convinced he's Titans material?" There's a Titans material now? Isn't the whole point of the Titans supposed to be to help train younger heroes who aren't...material...yet? I love how Tim makes a big deal about how bloody freaking Supergirl of all people is so right and ready for the Titans...but Jaime isn't. Man, Jaime has been more adult and responsible and "ready" for this thing than the rest of the current Titans combined.

Cassie and Tim have more issues and act like douchebags to each other. Yay? Of all the forced and unorganic couples there are out there, these two take the top spots. Hell, they fill up the top ten with how forced and unorganic their "relationship" is. I'm sort of glad that it's..."over," now, but I'm sort of not glad that it had to be over in such a douchebaggy way.

Someone else mentioned on another board that Miss Martian is basically just Raven 2.0 at this point, and I gotta agree. This whole "Titan goes eeeeeeeevil" story has been outplayed to the point of insanity.

And meanwhile, the art? Man. I don't think I've ever hated good art so much. It's good art because it's...well, technically good, but everyone looks so old and ugly here. They're teens! Teen Titans! They shouldn't be old and only very occasionally ugly.

I still hold out hope that McKeever will somehow drag this series out of the ass imprint that Beechen left it in, but that hope is dwindling fast. I mean, up next is..."Terror Titans?" Seriously? When we just now got finished with a horrible storyline about horrible "evil Titans" that no one in their right mind gave a sht about? Maybe McKeever is just prolonging the slow and painful death of this franchise.

(3.1 out of 10)

[CBG]

Ever since OYL and Beechen stepped on for Titans East, Teen Titans took a freaking nosedive.

[TheCorpulent1]

I had such high hopes for McKeever. This series has continued to suck even with him on it, though. There are more interesting elements per issue than when Johns and Beechen were writing, but the thing as a whole still pretty much sucks. They need to ditch all the constant whining and focus on some goddamn superhero comics. Weren't the Titans supposed to be a FUN team? :confused:

[Darthphere]

Hey, Dan Didio is editing this title now, so it's bound to get better!

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that was the last nail in the coffin for me. Drizzopped!

[trustyside-kick]

Not too motivated to keep this title...although I'll be collecting the Year One dealie. Can anyone give me a reason to stick with it? :O

[TheCorpulent1]

With Year One? Easy, Karl Kerschl's art.

[trustyside-kick]

No I'm getting Year One of course. I meant this title. Any reason I should stick around for it? It hasn't been that great. I had a lot of hope for the arc that just passed, but it wasn't as great as I hoped. It was obvious what was going to occur. I used to look forward to the next issue, but that has stopped now. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Uh... Blue Beetle may or may not appear every now and then? Oh, and Tim and Cassie totally broke up, so that little bit of nonsense is over, at least.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, that was the last nail in the coffin for me. Drizzopped!

I'm seriously thinking about it now. This last issue was F'ing painful.

[WompuM]

My patience is wearing thin. But seeing as how I dropped Robin, I need my Tim fix somewhere.

[CBG]

DiDio's vengeance on YJ never stops.

[TheCorpulent1]

Lame. I wish McKeever would ditch Ravager. She exists to be annoying and useless. :o

[CBG]

I personally enjoy her.

. . .

For the first few issues of OYL.

We need a new writer. Things are stale or angsty.

Heck, it got to Miss Martian.

[Colossal Spoons]

Lame. I wish McKeever would ditch Ravager. She exists to be annoying and useless. :o

I used to not mind her, but she was unbearable this week. She and Eddie used to be so tight, and now BB has her wrapped around her finger :down:

[TheCorpulent1]

Of all of the current Titans, she's really the only one without at least a somewhat interesting character arc. Miss Martian is struggling with her identity crisis over being a white Martian, Kid Devil is the lovable loser who needs to learn to stick up for himself, Robin is dealing with the loss of his two best friends, Blue Beetle doesn't know what the **** is going on, etc. Well, Ravager and Wonder Girl are kind of useless, I guess.

[BrianWilly]

I used to find Miss Martian the most interesting, and now I find her the least. Like I said, it's just Raven all over again all over again on top of the time that it already happened all over again.

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't even think I understand how her older self "infected" her

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought her "older self" was just her dark side haunting her, since she basically gave into it when she killed her older self.

BW: I see the similarities between her and Raven, but I find myself not really minding. A good 2/3rds of comic characters have had some struggle with their dark side at some point, so as long as it's done well, what's one more time?

[yenaled]

Has Kid Devil's limited 2 years come to a point yet? Seeing as it has been well over the time Neron gave him for his powers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Should be by the end of Countdown, I think. He got changed during Infinite Crisis, right?

[yenaled]

Yeah I believe he showed up in a few IC panels as his current look.

So with OYL, and the year spent telling 52, then Countdown it's approaching 3 years now.

[TheCorpulent1]

OYL and the year 52 covers are the same year. So towards the end of Countdown he'll actually be hitting his second year as a demon.

[yenaled]

No, I meant the year 52 ran for.

IC
The missing year (52).
OYL (52 was being told).
Countdown.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, you mean real-time? Yeah, it's been 3 years real-time. Within the comic's timeline, however, it's been 2 years, since it went IC->52->OYL (first year), then Countdown (second year). There's not a huge gap between when OYL takes place and when Countdown starts, as far as I can tell.

[WompuM]

In booster gold, it said countdown #1 (where ted dies) was something like 18 months ago.

[Varient]

I thought her "older self" was just her dark side haunting her, since she basically gave into it when she killed her older self.

BW: I see the similarities between her and Raven, but I find myself not really minding. A good 2/3rds of comic characters have had some struggle with their dark side at some point, so as long as it's done well, what's one more time?

I just found it strange that a shape changer could be physically killed that way.

Engulfed in flames? Yup

Drowned? No issue.

Physically broken?? How????????????????

V.

[TheCorpulent1]

I've been puzzled by that with Skrulls and the Martian Manhunter, as well. My explanation is simply that they're such effective shapeshifters that they completely become whatever they're imitating. If they've shifted themselves into a humanoid form, they become fully humanoid, with working organs and all. If someone does major damage to those organs in such a way that they can't consciously repair it with their shapeshifting powers, then the body just behaves normally and dies.
In booster gold, it said countdown #1 (where ted dies) was something like 18 months ago.
Well, we don't know where that is relative to Countdown to Final Crisis.