Teen Titans/Titans Discussion Thread

[Colossal Spoons]

Shapeshifters are apparently really good at moving their organs around to avoid damage. Xavin form Runaways has done it a few times and Mystique does it every Tuesday.

[yenaled]

Oh, you mean real-time? Yeah, it's been 3 years real-time. Within the comic's timeline, however, it's been 2 years, since it went IC->52->OYL (first year), then Countdown (second year). There's not a huge gap between when OYL takes place and when Countdown starts, as far as I can tell.

Ahh you are right actually there has only been two thanksgiving celebrations - on in 52 and one in JLA/JSA so two years have passed.

[TheCorpulent1]

Shapeshifters are apparently really good at moving their organs around to avoid damage. Xavin form Runaways has done it a few times and Mystique does it every Tuesday.
I guess Miss Martian never learned that particular trick.

[Colossal Spoons]

Dumb broad

[WompuM]

i'd still hit it.

[Anubis]

But would you tell your friends?

[Varient]

But would you tell your friends?

Depends.

[Anubis]

On what? Whether or not you told her to shape shift into your hearts desire, and she ends up turning into Steve Buscemi?

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, don't knock Buscemi. :cmad:

[Colossal Spoons]

But would you tell your friends?

Why not? My friends are all horndogs and perverts

[WompuM]

2nd that. I think i'd want her to stay green. cause when am i ever gonna do a green chick again.... or any chick for that matter. (i kid i kid.)

[TheCorpulent1]

She needs to embrace her whiteness. :o

[Varient]

On what? Whether or not you told her to shape shift into your hearts desire, and she ends up turning into Steve Buscemi?

On what "she" wants to appear like to me to do the deed.

You really find out who your friends are by telling them about your girlfriend.

[Anubis]

That is very true. I wouldn't get laid at all if it weren't for my friend's angry girlfriends.

[LadyVader]

I don't know about you but for me it's gotten to the point that despite how much I miss Conner, he better freakin stay dead given how bad this book is becoming.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's how I feel about Connor Hawke under Winick's pen. Hooray for comas!

[LadyVader]

What? Connor's in a coma!? :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he got shot by a cloud.

[Darthphere]

Cloud Sniper!@!!!!!!!!@###%

[WompuM]

She needs to embrace her whiteness. :o

Where's Fledermaus when you need him???

[cerealkiller182]

Is anyone still reading?

I'm having trouble dropping it because I think Kid Devils a cool character, but theres so much angst. Even more than before. Its very dissappointing :(

[CBG]

DiDio more or less thinks that the average teenager angsts like mad.

Good heck, are the Titans ruined. . .

I wish YJ were still active and their old selves. . . no, not only are half the core members dead and the rest angsting, but DiDio goes out of his way to more or less erase their days from the DCU.

[Aristotle]

I don't know, I still like the book, I just feel that the Titans are running into WAY too many dark mirror images of themselves. Titans Tomorrow, Titans East, Titans Tomorrow Again, Terror Titans...who WOULDN'T be ****ed up in the head, having to deal with the existential repercussions of facing your evil twin every other week?

[cerealkiller182]

True

This new villain team might not be so bad. They should stick them as the recurring villain team like this incarnation's Fearsome Five.

I guess after Titans Tomorrow they would be pretty rattled. But they seem like they are turning on each other. They aren't bonding. I guess i thought they would after seeing how dark they get later on.

[Aristotle]

I think this time, the Titans Tomorrow were introduced to do the exact opposite of what they did before, reasoning being that the last time it happened, they were such a tight-knit quasi-family that they could bond and prevent that future from coming about. This time, they're several disasters and dead team members older and wiser, and darkness looks a lot more attractive.

I think the Teen Titans, and most of the characters in the DCU (except the Amazons in AA!) have acted pretty well in character since OYL. It's just that the situations that they've been put into have been disrespectful and unfair. Part of the well-documented "We need to be more badass like Marvel and less happy" phenomenon in DC editorial. Truly a tragedy, that phenomenon. Leave the dark gray sludge of postmodern muck and mire to Marvel, and keep heroism and joy in the DCU.

[Varient]

Is anyone still reading?

I'm having trouble dropping it because I think Kid Devils a cool character, but theres so much angst. Even more than before. Its very dissappointing :(

Yes.
Very disappointed,...

1. Robin Too much out of character.

2. Kid Devil normally smarter than this.

3. Ms Martians A TELEPATH,.... and she left when he really needed her to stay and talk for a bit.

4. Blue Beetle was a good lil stooge with no dialoge and ordered to form a force field when he coulda took the guy by himself.

5. Wonder girl remains a silly lil *****, (sorry but my heroes don't stay stuck on stupid for over a year. - Even Green Arrow got a clue and has returned as one of my favs.)

6. Ravager? Meh,... Tough lil stuck on herself and her wants has gotten old.

7. Cyborg was gutted and blown up months ago,.... Nobody noticed?


I'm barely reading this because I've got questions.

V.

[Aristotle]

1. Robin Too much out of character.

2. Kid Devil normally smarter than this.

3. Ms Martians A TELEPATH,.... and she left when he really needed her to stay and talk for a bit.

4. Blue Beetle was a good lil stooge with no dialoge and ordered to form a force field when he coulda took the guy by himself.

5. Wonder girl remains a silly lil *****, (sorry but my heroes don't stay stuck on stupid for over a year. - Even Green Arrow got a clue and has returned as one of my favs.)

6. Ravager? Meh,... Tough lil stuck on herself and her wants has gotten old.

7. Cyborg was gutted and blown up months ago,.... Nobody noticed?1. I think he's acting just fine in character for a teenager who's been ****ed with in every way imaginable by editorial. Seriously, he just needs to be tentacle-raped, and it will become officially impossible for his life to be worse.
2. Smarter than what?
3. She's also a teenaged girl, and teenaged girls ALWAYS break the hearts of teenaged boys with ruthless and cold efficiency. Just like teenaged boys always systematically repress and emotionally savage teenaged girls.
4. Oh noes, Blue Beetle has to work as part of a team now.
5. What, exactly, is so silly about her?
6. I think she's a nice example of the power of good. But I can see how that wouldn't appeal to people in this age of comics.
7. I'm assuming that it's happening in the future, like when the actual Titans comic starts. Otherwise it makes no sense.

[Varient]

1. I think he's acting just fine in character for a teenager who's been ****ed with in every way imaginable by editorial. Seriously, he just needs to be tentacle-raped, and it will become officially impossible for his life to be worse.
2. Smarter than what?
3. She's also a teenaged girl, and teenaged girls ALWAYS break the hearts of teenaged boys with ruthless and cold efficiency. Just like teenaged boys always systematically repress and emotionally savage teenaged girls.
4. Oh noes, Blue Beetle has to work as part of a team now.
5. What, exactly, is so silly about her?
6. I think she's a nice example of the power of good. But I can see how that wouldn't appeal to people in this age of comics.
7. I'm assuming that it's happening in the future, like when the actual Titans comic starts. Otherwise it makes no sense.

1. tantrum, insult, tantrum -w- "who's panties are you wearing on your head?"
(obviously ravagers - all the other fems live elsewhere.) Sorry but in his own title he's much more laid back and in previous titans didn't scream at team mates.

2. smarter than the idiot able to create his own gear to be a sidekick. this "kid devil" is a much dimmer bulb.

3. Who used to be Starfire cute an cuddly even with the white martian mojo,... she gave a crap prior to the last two issues.

4. Sarcasm Noted - my point here is Jamie has more to offer than a forcefield.

5. If you can't see the continued hostility and bad attitude that they have had going for over a year because Kon is dead and Tim refuses to be her emotional sop,.. I have nothing to argue.

6. Nah the power of good would have here stand down and be nicer to Kid Devil after he saved her behind against his older self,... but no,... she's all about herself.

7. Then I blame DC for wiping out what I thought could be three interesting characters besides Cyborg.

V.

[cerealkiller182]

IDK, ikinda like Kid Devil the way he is.

[Aristotle]

1. tantrum, insult, tantrum -w- "who's panties are you wearing on your head?"
(obviously ravagers - all the other fems live elsewhere.) Sorry but in his own title he's much more laid back and in previous titans didn't scream at team mates.

2. smarter than the idiot able to create his own gear to be a sidekick. this "kid devil" is a much dimmer bulb.

3. Who used to be Starfire cute an cuddly even with the white martian mojo,... she gave a crap prior to the last two issues.

4. Sarcasm Noted - my point here is Jamie has more to offer than a forcefield.

5. If you can't see the continued hostility and bad attitude that they have had going for over a year because Kon is dead and Tim refuses to be her emotional sop,.. I have nothing to argue.

6. Nah the power of good would have here stand down and be nicer to Kid Devil after he saved her behind against his older self,... but no,... she's all about herself.

7. Then I blame DC for wiping out what I thought could be three interesting characters besides Cyborg.1) I think the implication was that they were Cassie's, like the spare pair that she keeps in the Tower or whatever.
2) Again: how?
3) Again: she's a teenaged girl.
4) In the context of a team, everybody doing their own thing with no regard for acting as a cohesive unit is a pretty bad idea.
5) Yeah, but what's silly about it? Isn't that how most people would react?
6) Have you ever KNOWN a teenaged girl?
7) Hope you're not talking about Power Boy, because that guy was ****in stupid.

[cerealkiller182]

On the Kid Devil thing, hes portrayed kinda naive, where he once created his own suit of armor and gear to be Blue Devils sidekick.

But as I see it,he has new powers he doesnt have a grip on and he is trying to impress the Titans in the field, thus he is screwing up. The titans are keeping him down though and he is suffering from "quicksand," he screwed up once and now he has psyched himself out and keeps screwing up, but his intentions are good.

[Varient]

IDK, ikinda like Kid Devil the way he is.
((((Shudder)))

1) I think the implication was that they were Cassie's, like the spare pair that she keeps in the Tower or whatever.
2) Again: how?
3) Again: she's a teenaged girl.
4) In the context of a team, everybody doing their own thing with no regard for acting as a cohesive unit is a pretty bad idea.
5) Yeah, but what's silly about it? Isn't that how most people would react?
6) Have you ever KNOWN a teenaged girl?
7) Hope you're not talking about Power Boy, because that guy was ****in stupid.

1.(chuckle) "wonder-roo's"
2. Kid devil was simply smarter than this guy with the demon powers. he cacked his own gear, a working trident, a costume and showed a lot more intelligence in fighting when he got in the Blue Devils Way.
3. Met too many teenaged girls who don't flip that hard and fast with friends. If the ones you know are "naturely" like that,.... be careful.
4. Teamwork= "BB give us a shield" when he could've stunned the guy from more than a mile away. Okay,.. I can't argue bad writing when it was an attempt to put him with a team.
5. Sigh. "Most?" A year going into two of being an angry lil wench?
6. Literally tons,... they go great with curly fries.
7. ((((Shudder)))) Him I wanted beat badly by Powergirl. (Sigh - another fantasy quenched.)

[Varient]

On the Kid Devil thing, hes portrayed kinda naive, where he once created his own suit of armor and gear to be Blue Devils sidekick.

But as I see it,he has new powers he doesnt have a grip on and he is trying to impress the Titans in the field, thus he is screwing up. The titans are keeping him down though and he is suffering from "quicksand," he screwed up once and now he has psyched himself out and keeps screwing up, but his intentions are good.

Okay.

I accept "New Powers" + "Trying too hard." But this latest issue he went stupid real fast inviting teentitan fanboys to the T.

[cerealkiller182]

((((Shudder)))

What?

His new look and powers are cool and I find him endearing.

[cerealkiller182]

Okay.

I accept "New Powers" + "Trying too hard." But this latest issue he went stupid real fast inviting teentitan fanboys to the T.

Hes lonely. The team as a whole puts him down constantly. Ravager, Miss Martian, and Zatarra, his only friends, have little to no time for him. His faith in Blue Devil, his mentor, is gone.

[Aristotle]

1.(chuckle) "wonder-roo's"
2. Kid devil was simply smarter than this guy with the demon powers. he cacked his own gear, a working trident, a costume and showed a lot more intelligence in fighting when he got in the Blue Devils Way.
3. Met too many teenaged girls who don't flip that hard and fast with friends. If the ones you know are "naturely" like that,.... be careful.
4. Teamwork= "BB give us a shield" when he could've stunned the guy from more than a mile away. Okay,.. I can't argue bad writing when it was an attempt to put him with a team.
5. Sigh. "Most?" A year going into two of being an angry lil wench?
6. Literally tons,... they go great with curly fries.
7. ((((Shudder)))) Him I wanted beat badly by Powergirl. (Sigh - another fantasy quenched.)1) Indeed.
2) Smart isn't the same as wise. Kid Devil's still smart, but he's never been wise.
3) I'm exaggerating, but seriously, boys and girls should not associate in those years, because they're poison for each other.
4) Meh. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
5) In comic-book years that's only like...well, one year for the OYL jump...plus two years real-time which equals about six months of comic-time...yeah, I don't think that's unreasonable, given the way life has treated her.
6) They go great with ruining your weekend.
7) Dude got impaled. What more can you ask for?

[Varient]

What?

His new look :up:
and powers :up:
are cool and :up:
I find him endearing. :down: :eek: :down:

They need to let him "Man-Up"


Meh.

[Varient]

Hes lonely. The team as a whole puts him down constantly. Ravager, Miss Martian, and Zatarra, his only friends, have little to no time for him. His faith in Blue Devil, his mentor, is gone.

I admit in his situation i'd have handled it differently - but then I wouldn't hide a deal with a devil or take as much guff for trying hard under any circumstance.

I have to wonder what Ravager is thinking after hearing the older KD tell the younger she's going to hurt him? :huh:

By the way she's written there's not much going on upstairs except what she wants. Robin should've thumped her when she made the mistake of crawling into his bed - Maybe it would've shook something more positive loose.

V.

[cerealkiller182]

Meh.

Man-up? Hes not guns-a-blazing, but he steps up all the time. He always has the titans back (just not entirely successul), he punched Dreadbolt pretty good and didnt even think about turning his back on a group of kids who had been nothing but rude and unwelcoming to him this issue. He wants so desperately to be a hero he made a deal with Neron, but that hasnt slowed him down at all. HEs still fighting for good and he found religion. The character is incredibly likeable. Hes a trooper:applaud

[cerealkiller182]

By the way she's written there's not much going on upstairs except what she wants. Robin should've thumped her when she made the mistake of crawling into his bed - Maybe it would've shook something more positive loose.

But Ravagers the kind of character that if you turn your back on her,she'll probably return to crime or become an aggressive vigilante. Shes a loose cannon. Without Robin or the Titans she'd prolly fly off the handle.

[Varient]

1) Indeed.
2) Smart isn't the same as wise. Kid Devil's still smart, but he's never been wise.
3) I'm exaggerating, but seriously, boys and girls should not associate in those years, because they're poison for each other.
4) Meh. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
5) In comic-book years that's only like...well, one year for the OYL jump...plus two years real-time which equals about six months of comic-time...yeah, I don't think that's unreasonable, given the way life has treated her.
6) They go great with ruining your weekend.
7) Dude got impaled. What more can you ask for?

1. Kinda surprized that DC doesn't have swimsuit issues like Marvel used to. (At least DC will draw a man running around wearing girls underwear on his head.)
2. Point.
3. I think they should be forced at gun point and forced to play nice.
4. No comment - but - it just goes back to the jobbing books like JLA and JSA do to have threats last longer than five minutes at a time. Beetle in his own way is easily between Ms Martian and Supergirl in power and versatility.
5. One year after she stepped off,.. Bart became flash and was killed six months after that she moves in with Supergirl and starts messing with drake. Nah,.. i disagree,.. it's been long enough to stop being a spoiled brat.
6. I gues it depends.
7. That he reaches out for a handful while complimenting her in the crudest way,........... and pulls back a stump.

[Varient]

Man-up? Hes not guns-a-blazing, but he steps up all the time. He always has the titans back (just not entirely successul), he punched Dreadbolt pretty good and didnt even think about turning his back on a group of kids who had been nothing but rude and unwelcoming to him this issue. He wants so desperately to be a hero he made a deal with Neron, but that hasnt slowed him down at all. HEs still fighting for good and he found religion. The character is incredibly likeable. Hes a trooper:applaud

???
By man up,.. I mean grow up and get a clue.

[cerealkiller182]

???
By man up,.. I mean grow up and get a clue.

Fair enough. But I mean, hes still a teen. Think of it like highschool and hes the outcast. Hes bound to have problems.

[Aristotle]

Fair enough. But I mean, hes still a teen. Think of it like highschool and hes the outcast. Hes bound to have problems.Yeah, the demon kids were always the outcasts in my high school too.

[WompuM]

So what exactly is clock king's motivation here? Did he literally wake up, put on his evil eye glasses and pick "teen titans" out of a hat for who to be evil to? I mean, I understand a villian going for the whole revenge thing. But clock king has had ZERO interaction with the titans and yet found it necessary to form a master plan and make the TERROR TITANS!!! lame.

[cerealkiller182]

Well he only showed up for a few panels. His motivations arnt clear yet

[WompuM]

That's optimistic.

[cerealkiller182]

Im trying to be at least. I'd guess his motivation is opportunity. Dreadbolt has a tie to Salvation Run, and since they are trying to keep that in continuity, I see a few more possible lame villains being introduced.

[Aristotle]

Come on, there's gonna be a motivation. Jesus, you know EVERY villain has a motivation for what they do in comics.

...well, OK, not every time...but I think something will become clear.

[Varient]

Come on, there's gonna be a motivation. Jesus, you know EVERY villain has a motivation for what they do in comics.

...well, OK, not every time...but I think something will become clear.

I would think that Clock King wants to train up next generations Supervillians.

[trustyside-kick]

Is anyone still reading?

I'm having trouble dropping it because I think Kid Devils a cool character, but theres so much angst. Even more than before. Its very dissappointing :(

I'm on the verge of dropping this title after the Terror Titans arc. To be honest, since I picked it up OYL it has not been great to me, I just finally decided to check it out with Rose being on the team. Then there were some parts of that Titans East arc I liked. And the beginning of the arc with their future selves again I liked.

But over all? Not crazy about it anymore. Probably going to drop this and pick up Green Lantern Corps in its stead to balance out how much I spend on comics since I've been debating about it since SCW got me real interested in it.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wow, Ravager is something else. What's with that black%white view thing that kept happening when she was fighting? Didn't know she had some clairvoyance powers :huh:

And Cassie. Cassie, Cassie, Cassie, why are you such a b*tch all of a sudden? Even when she was talking calmly to Tim, she had her b*tch-face on. She must really need a man back in her life cuz she's way too hostile :down:

[CBG]

Part of the Slade-serum package includes some degree of precog. Cassandra Cain mentioned this back in her series, when she took on Ravager.

Oi, Wonder Girl. . .

I wish the YJ days were back.

[Primal Slayer]

Part of the Slade-serum package includes some degree of precog. Cassandra Cain mentioned this back in her series, when she took on Ravager.

Oi, Wonder Girl. . .

I wish the YJ days were back.

Didnt Rose already have that power before she even met daddy deadliest?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Didnt Rose already have that power before she even met daddy deadliest?

Not to sound rude but.....What does that have to do with it???

She inherited the power from him.Werther she met him young, old or never she still got her powers from his altered genes.

[cerealkiller182]

Besides Cassie, I thought this issue was really good

[BrianWilly]

OMG YOU GUYS

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=155270

This is TOTALY WHAT weve been WAITING FOR!!!

YAY!

[Colossal Spoons]

:yawn:

[WompuM]

I wish wish wish wish WISH a teen titans east series comes out soon. I NEED MORE RIDDLER'S DAUGHTER. period.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd love a TE book too

[hippie_hunter]

I wish wish wish wish WISH a teen titans east series comes out soon. I NEED MORE RIDDLER'S DAUGHTER. period.

But with Duela and Bombshell dead, Batgirl being a part of the Bat-Family yet again, Inertia being a permanent display in the Flash museum, Jericho still posessing Match, Risk losing yet another arm, and Deathstroke not giving a damn, just how can there be another Titans East team like the one from the Titans East arc?

[BrianWilly]

screw you with your lameo Titans East 'cause Terror Titans is WHERE IT IS ****ING AT

[The Leaguer]

How about f*** pretty much everything Titans related that isn't Teen Titans, and even Teen Titans until it stops sucking? Yeah, let's go with that.

[BrianWilly]

I think your logic is silly because fan demand for more Clock King and those other guys is obviously PALPABLE.

[TheCorpulent1]

I've decided I'm not reading anymore Teen Titans until Conner is back on the team and I'm not reading anymore Titans until Tempest is back on that team. That should save me money for a good, long time.

[BrianWilly]

I commend you.

[WompuM]

How bout a six issue mini of Jericho sitting around since T.E.?

[CBG]

Johns on Teen Titans OYL was alright. Personally, I liked it.

But when Beechen came in with Titans East, it all just went straight to hell.

McKeever isn't doing any better, IMO.

[Kitsune]

I'm still waiting for the Great Lakes Teen Titans :D

[Aristotle]

GLTT is when I stop reading Teen Titans.

[CBG]

GLTT is when I'd be interested again.

[WompuM]

Not a bad issue today.i rather like Miss Martian.

[WompuM]

Well acutally, the scene with Tim was ridiculous. At what point did having a fake identity become "WOOOOOAH! Hey, we're illegal vigilante's but you want a normal life? I dont think so. ANd speaking of, go tell uncle John Jones I'm lookin' for 'im."

[fifthfiend]

I'm still waiting for the Great Lakes Teen Titans :D

Starring Chipmunk Lad.

[BrianWilly]

Well acutally, the scene with Tim was ridiculous. At what point did having a fake identity become "WOOOOOAH! Hey, we're illegal vigilante's but you want a normal life? I dont think so. ANd speaking of, go tell uncle John Jones I'm lookin' for 'im."This was so ****ing stupid it made me want to take the issue and throw it across the room, though I couldn't because I was just reading it in the shop.

Conner had a forged identity! Cassie has a forged identity right now! Raven! Chris Kent! Batman! Tim himself! More people than I can name in the history of the DCU, a lot of whom Tim knows, had forged identities!

So stupid.

[spiderbob]

This was so ****ing stupid it made me want to take the issue and throw it across the room, though I couldn't because I was just reading it in the shop.

Conner had a forged identity! Cassie has a forged identity right now! Raven! Chris Kent! Batman! Tim himself! More people than I can name in the history of the DCU, a lot of whom Tim knows, had forged identities!

So stupid.

I agree. Tim even forged legal documents to have a fake Uncle be in his father's will, so that the fake would be his guardian. And when Batman found out he helped Tim perfect his forgeries of the documents. Tim's response was definetly not my favorite part of the issue.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Tim's a Skrull. :)

[spiderbob]

Maybe Tim's a Skrull. :)

HA!
:woot:

Though, I'm sure there are much more qualified targets in the DC Universe that the Skrull could immitate than Tim.

[Varient]

I'm still waiting for the Great Lakes Teen Titans :D

GLTT is when I stop reading Teen Titans.

GLTT is when I'd be interested again.

LOL

"Great Lakes Teen Titans"



LOL!!!:word:

[Varient]

Well acutally, the scene with Tim was ridiculous. At what point did having a fake identity become "WOOOOOAH! Hey, we're illegal vigilante's but you want a normal life? I dont think so. ANd speaking of, go tell uncle John Jones I'm lookin' for 'im."

This was so ****ing stupid it made me want to take the issue and throw it across the room, though I couldn't because I was just reading it in the shop.

Conner had a forged identity! Cassie has a forged identity right now! Raven! Chris Kent! Batman! Tim himself! More people than I can name in the history of the DCU, a lot of whom Tim knows, had forged identities!

So stupid.

I agree. Tim even forged legal documents to have a fake Uncle be in his father's will, so that the fake would be his guardian. And when Batman found out he helped Tim perfect his forgeries of the documents. Tim's response was definetly not my favorite part of the issue.

If ever there was a "Batman Moment" That scene was.

Batman set SuperGirl and BatGirl up,.. Why couldn't he do Ms Martian too?

[CBG]

How long is McKeever staying on?

[TheCorpulent1]

For the rest of your natural life. Welcome, CBG: this is your Hell. :)

[CBG]

No, my hell is Beechen writing Cassandra Cain.

Now THAT'S hell.

[TheCorpulent1]

Are you aware of the mini-series coming out in a few months?

[CBG]

Are you aware of the mini-series coming out in a few months?

Yes, unfortunately.

My expectations are pretty damn low.

Heck, when Beechen was writing Robin OYL, he claimed to have read several BG trades before.

[MilkShake!]

Teen Titans Year one is alot better then this book.

[Kitsune]

No, my hell is Beechen writing Cassandra Cain.

Now THAT'S hell.

How about Joe Q writing Cassandra Cain?

[fifthfiend]

How about Joe Q writing Cassandra Cain?

Only hypothetically awful, whereas in Beechen's case you have a confirmed track record of ****tacularity.

[CBG]

How about Joe Q writing Cassandra Cain?

Only hypothetically awful, whereas in Beechen's case you have a confirmed track record of ****tacularity.

This.

[TheCorpulent1]

Teen Titans Year one is alot better then this book.
I'm still not quite sure what to make of Year One. On the one hand, it's a fun read with a decent overarching story about kids having to stand up for themselves against those mean ol' grown-ups, and it's got super-fantastic art by Karl Kerschl, who doesn't draw nearly as many comics in today's world as he should. On the other hand, in order to enjoy it you've got to basically forget everything you know about all of the characters except maybe Robin. Wally comes off more like Bart in it, Garth is just a weird little freak most of the time, and Wonder Girl is a giant, moronic retard.

[BrianWilly]

Not sure how that last bit is any different from...

...oh, you mean Donna.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ouch. :(

No, never mind. She deserves it.

[yenaled]

But Donna is a giant, moronic retard.

"Donna. Troy."

[MilkShake!]

I'm still not quite sure what to make of Year One. On the one hand, it's a fun read with a decent overarching story about kids having to stand up for themselves against those mean ol' grown-ups, and it's got super-fantastic art by Karl Kerschl, who doesn't draw nearly as many comics in today's world as he should. On the other hand, in order to enjoy it you've got to basically forget everything you know about all of the characters except maybe Robin. Wally comes off more like Bart in it, Garth is just a weird little freak most of the time, and Wonder Girl is a giant, moronic retard.

the cheese factor is what makes it enjoyable. The book doesn't take itself that serious..unlike in McKeever's run. where every damn arc is melodramatic. Plus. He should have never touched the Future Titans storyline.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't have a problem with comedy, as long as it stays true to the characters' personalities. But I don't recall the original Titans being such caricatures. Plus, traditionally, the Year One stories have been fairly serious updates of characters' origins for modern sensibililties. The good ones keep everything important intact and improve or streamline the rest. This seems to have gone another way...

[Kitsune]

I don't have a problem with comedy, as long as it stays true to the characters' personalities. But I don't recall the original Titans being such caricatures. Plus, traditionally, the Year One stories have been fairly serious updates of characters' origins for modern sensibililties. The good ones keep everything important intact and improve or streamline the rest. This seems to have gone another way...

Keep in mind that Dona was a continuity error. The writer of Teen Titans thought that Wonder Girl was a side kick, when she was originally supposed to be a young Wonder Woman, which in and of itself was inconstant with Wondie's origin.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but she must have some established personality as a kid by now, and something tells me a completely ignorant, boy-crazy idiot is not it.

[Kitsune]

Yeah, but she must have some established personality as a kid by now, and something tells me a completely ignorant, boy-crazy idiot is not it.
Yeah, but this is supposed to take place before Wolfman and Parez gave her a personality. I didn't read the Old Teen Titans so I don't know, maybe she was a boy crazy idiot.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I guess.

[Kitsune]

Eh, I guess.

Has anyone actually read the first run of Teen Titans, where it was just sidekicks?

[Aristotle]

Dollars to donuts that at least three people who haven't will say they have.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Has anyone actually read the first run of Teen Titans, where it was just sidekicks?

Which run are you referring too???

[CBG]

Best run of TT IMO is Wolfman and Perez's New Teen Titans.

[Varient]

Has anyone actually read the first run of Teen Titans, where it was just sidekicks?

Originally?

Yes.

"Wondergirl" accepted the teenboy lust with indifference,... No interest at all in why the boys talked so much mess,....

Speedy and Wally were the worst.

I guess I should break down and buy this to see how they warp what I remember,...

[CBG]

Anyone read Titans #2?

If anything, it's even worst than the previous issue.

[Kevin]

From the art to the words, issue 2 was just bad. like, super bad but not Superbad, which was good. I don't know if I can continue with it after 3.

[CBG]

Starfire was coloured wrong. TWICE.

Beast Boy's face shape and expression just looks retarded.

[TheCorpulent1]

Teen Titans #60 preview

Looks kind of not so terrible. Whoever's reading it, let me know who's left on the team after the end of this arc. I might try it out again if Blue Beetle sticks around.

[CBG]

Ever since Amazons Attack!, Teen Titans suck.

[TheCorpulent1]

They've sucked ever since OYL for me.

[fifthfiend]

They've sucked ever since they decided the best use for Superboy was have him mope around a bunch and then get sucker-punched by Stupidgirl. And then get sucker-punched again by Stupidboy Whine.

[Anubis]

Somebodies still reading this s**t?

[fifthfiend]

I do a flip-through on an issue every four or five months just to be like 'yep, still ****.'

[Varient]

................ not read one since the latest relaunch.

To busy to complain,.....

I know it's silly,... but I really really MissYoung Justice,... the Stories were tight and had you smiling as you read along.

I need to look into this "editorial mandate" thing to try to understand the concept of trashing something that works.

V.

[CBG]

Even if Young Justice were brought back. . . everyone's either gone or too cynical.

Plus, DiDio wouldn't stand for it. He had said in an interview that there shouldn't have been a place in the DCU for YJ.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't understand what possesses people in his position to just abritrarily decide something like that. If it's selling well enough to continue publishing, obviously there is a place for Young Justice. What sort of logic dictates otherwise? That the Teen Titans must be the absolute only team with teenagers? Ugh, retardoriffic.

[fifthfiend]

I know it's silly,... but I really really MissYoung Justice,... the Stories were tight and had you smiling as you read along.

That's not silly at all, unless they've redefined "silly" to mean "the apex of good taste and reason."

Even if Young Justice were brought back. . . everyone's either gone or too cynical.

Plus, DiDio wouldn't stand for it. He had said in an interview that there shouldn't have been a place in the DCU for YJ.

Well yeah, I should think it's abundantly clear by now that DiDio doesn't think the DCU has a place for good things that people like.

Dollars to donuts that at least three people who haven't will say they have.

You know I was at the corner shop today and a filled donut is a dollar ****ing 10? I think the lexicon needs updating for inflation again.

[CBG]

Good freaking heck, Ravager doesn't get a break from Cassie.

[cerealkiller182]

THe editorial page is annoying me. Whose the Titan with the white and pink male Ms Marvel look

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm so tired of Ravager or KD hearing robin talk about them. What a gossipy team :down:

[Colossal Spoons]

THe editorial page is annoying me. Whose the Titan with the white and pink male Ms Marvel look

Yeah, idk who that dude is

[CBG]

I really wish YJ Cassie came back and beat the living **** out of current Cassie.

[TheCorpulent1]

I heard Ravager left. How'd that happen?

[WompuM]

Clock King tempted her. She accepted because she was pissy Robin and Cassie kept stopping her from killing people then badmouthing her.

[TheCorpulent1]

Are Robin and Cassie still doing that retarded, disgusting romantic subplot?

[WompuM]

Actually not really. Now that Steph is back, Robo has no excuses for banging on Connors grave.

[CBG]

More or less. Cassie still doesn't trust her.

Well, there goes the development Johns did with Ravager in OYL.

[TheCorpulent1]

Actually not really. Now that Steph is back, Robo has no excuses for banging on Connors grave.
They actually reflected Spoiler's return in Teen Titans? Cool.

[WompuM]

Oh. Well no. They didnt mention her or anything like that. You know, anythign that would require character consistency from title to title.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, McKeever just dropped that subplot?

[BrianWilly]

He never brought up the subplot, really. But Steph just came back, like, last month, so she might well show up at some point in the future.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't care if it's mentioned overtly or not, as long as Tim and Cassie aren't sucking face while crying over their best friend/boyfriend's corpse anymore.

[cerealkiller182]

I think thats the direction its heading. I mean the way they dealt with Kid Devil, Miss Martian,and Ravager seemed like an attempt to stop the teen angst within the ranks, so that romance might end for a similar reason.

[BrianWilly]

They stopped the teen angst by filling the book with teen angst?

[cerealkiller182]

Im talking about the fact that Kid Devil and Miss Martian both felt belonged in the end and Ravager left who was a source of so much arguments, the teen angst is almost gone hypothetically

[BrianWilly]

I suppose that's true. I just looked at it as one more source of wangst for Eddie, like "Hey the one I like finally likes me OH TEH NOES SHE'S GONE NOW."

[cerealkiller182]

I doubt Kid Devil will bring it up a lot since Ravager left, or at least seemed to, not booted by Robin or Wonder Girl. Although its a big assumption

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't mind angst--it's a book filled with teenagers, after all--but that Tim/Cassie subplot was just... ghastly. It made me feel dirty.

[cerealkiller182]

but since OYL it was all angst (or at least too much) there needs to be room for other elements

[fifthfiend]

I don't mind angst--it's a book filled with teenagers, after all--but that Tim/Cassie subplot was just... ghastly. It made me feel dirty.

It wouldn't have been so awful if they'd both like, grieved, gotten past it, and then whatever relationship had naturally developed between them in between having awesome Teen Titansey adventures. But the way they did do it was just the cherry of **** topping off the whole **** sundae.

[CBG]

I wished the YJ days were back. . .

[Aristotle]

All in all, this arc wasn't half-bad, although I am ready to be done with the whole evil-analogs-of-the-Teen-Titans motif. I will also say this: William Tockman needs to beat the living **** out of this new Clock King.

[CBG]

I rather have someone beat some sense into Cassie.

[Aristotle]

I think that was McKeever Mary-Sueing a little bit. Unfortunately, while I agree with his opinion that superheroics could use a little cleaning up, it's just too bad that Ravager's had to be character-assassinated to prove the point.

[CBG]

Undermined Johns' development of Ravager back in TT OYL.

[Colossal Spoons]

Holy crap, BUMP!


Just read issue 63. I love Bombshell :up:

[BrianWilly]

Dude. You love everything.

Don't even deny it.

[Colossal Spoons]

I do seem to love more than the average SHH comic forum-goer. It makes me like 80% less bitter than the rest of you :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

80% less discerning a reader, too. If you were reading current comics the right way, you'd be as bitter as the rest of us. :oldrazz:

[Aristotle]

The bitterness is just who we are. I probably like as much as Spoons does, but I'm bitter anyway.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, there are plenty of comics I could gush about from now to next week. But the negatives make more of an impression, in part because they're often bigger titles. Enjoying Blue Beetle and Manhunter is fine and dandy, but it doesn't seem as potent when you can't stand half of the Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, etc. comics you see.

[fifthfiend]

I do seem to love more than the average SHH comic forum-goer. It makes me like 80% less bitter than the rest of you :cmad:

How am I bitter? You're the one eating all that ****.

[BrianWilly]

I don't know that **** is actually bitter. I mean I don't truly know what **** tastes like, although there were some close calls as a kindergartner.

[fifthfiend]

I feel okay with making certain assumptions in this area. Although if someone wants to offer firsthand testimony I suppose I would defer to them.

[Colossal Spoons]

80% less discerning a reader, too. If you were reading current comics the right way, you'd be as bitter as the rest of us. :oldrazz:

Oh, I read 'em properly. From right to left :o

The bitterness is just who we are. I probably like as much as Spoons does, but I'm bitter anyway.

I want no parts of this bitterness. Turn that grimace........upside down?

Yeah, there are plenty of comics I could gush about from now to next week. But the negatives make more of an impression, in part because they're often bigger titles. Enjoying Blue Beetle and Manhunter is fine and dandy, but it doesn't seem as potent when you can't stand half of the Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, etc. comics you see.

Spread what little positivity you can; even if it's on a title that only 6 people are reading...like Ambush Bug :o

How am I bitter? You're the one eating all that ****.

I've never done such a thing, sir!

[cerealkiller182]

Anyone see Static (Shock) is going to be in Terror Titans in January? (and the Creeper looks like he'll be joining outsiders)

[Colossal Spoons]

^I still need to see that solicit

[Assassin]

I spent about 30 min talking with Sean Mckeever at mid-ohio con, and thats the only reason i'm still buying this book.

[cerealkiller182]

I spent about 30 min talking with Sean Mckeever at mid-ohio con, and thats the only reason i'm still buying this book.

good things to come? i assume

[Assassin]

I talked to him about beechen lol he said its not his fault

[CBG]

What about Beechen?

[BrianWilly]

Oh we're at Countdown: Arena levels of bad now.

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9613/saywhaaaaaatdl8.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

That fight confuses me :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Argent's in Teen Titans now? Who the f*** wanted Argent to come back? :huh:

[CBG]

It's Terror Titans.

And I daresay but McKeever's stories are almost as bad as Beechen's.

[cerealkiller182]

Oh we're at Countdown: Arena levels of bad now.

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9613/saywhaaaaaatdl8.jpg

i noticed too. it bothered the crap out of me.

[Anubis]

It's Terror Titans.

And I daresay but McKeever's stories are almost as bad as Beechen's.


And I recall people having such glowing expectations of him after his work at marvel. It's starting to look like he shoulda stayed there doing Spidey Loves MJ, or Gravity or whatever.

[yenaled]

Oh we're at Countdown: Arena levels of bad now.

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9613/saywhaaaaaatdl8.jpg

Is there any doubt that no-one working at DC cares about this story.

And I recall people having such glowing expectations of him after his work at marvel. It's starting to look like he shoulda stayed there doing Spidey Loves MJ, or Gravity or whatever.

I was one of the people really happy for him coming to DC I loved his Marvel work... I just don't think he knew the Universe well enough to play around and enjoy himself like he did at Marvel.

[TheCorpulent1]

I was very excited for McKeever when he started. He wrote a great Inhumans mini-series at Marvel and some of the best issues of Spider-Girl (no offense to DeFalco). But his Teen Titans stories were really terrible.

[BrianWilly]

There's some suspicion going on that he may not be the cause of his...many...recent faults. Don't quote me on this, but apparently McKeever hinted recently in Bendis' forum that the participants and results of those battles were decided by editorial and not him.

I dunno. I definitely suspect DiDio's hand in a lot of the Titans decisions lately, but McKeever's Birds of Prey issues were nothing to sing about, either, and a lot of McKeever's TT's problems -- torture porn, characters being irritable and snappy at each other for no real reason all the time, colorless antagonists, etc -- were clearly present in his BoP as well.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm just not sure what the Titans' mandate is at this point. Was Johns just going for as nontraditional a Titans team as he could get for OYL? Is DiDio perpetuating that mandate? You'd think they would've realized that this formula of angsty Robin, b****y Wonder Girl, and a bunch of useless losers doesn't work by now.

[CBG]

Give us back Young Justice, damn it.

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be great.

[The Question]

I third that motion. The writers need to remember that these characters are actually friends. You know, people who enjoy and have fun socializing with one another, and find each other's company to make them happy, as opposed to whiny angsty *****es who grew up in all the wrong ways. Young Justice was one of the few depictions of teenagers interacting that actually acknowledged the fact that teenagers do make strong social bonds that are centered around things other than angst and whining and the latest cheesy pop song from the CW website playing in the background. Ever since Johns' first issue, Teen Titans has kind of failed at that.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, has there been any mention of when the Teen Titans meet since OYL? I mean, they used to be a team that got together on weekends because they genuinely liked each other and considered themselves part of a young superhero community. Since OYL those latter parts have been... well, completely absent. Are they still just meeting on weekends? Because that would be a little absurd.

[CBG]

I suppose it's presumed that it's kept to that.

[hippie_hunter]

Wow...this thread hasn't been used in a while.

Anyways, McKeever is leaving Teen Titans his last issue will be May's #71, but will be writing the Ravenger back-ups. And Winick has left Titans. His last issue was last months #10

[hippie_hunter]

Wow...this thread hasn't been used in a while.

Anyways, McKeever is leaving Teen Titans his last issue will be May's #71, but will be writing the Ravenger back-ups. And Winick has left Titans. His last issue was last months #10

[BrianWilly]

Goddamn I was just coming in to post that but the boards crapped out on me so you broke it first.

Ah well. Gentlemen. It has begun.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm guessing there's no word on who's taking over afterward yet.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm really hoping that Gail Simone hops on one of the Titans books.

[BrianWilly]

How many writers does DC even have at this point that it hasn't yet thrown at the Titans debacle?

...


...OH GOD please be Rogers. Please please please please ****ING PLEASE.

[TheCorpulent1]

Watch it be Winick.

[BrianWilly]

Beechen's return?

Come on, be Rogers, DC. Make it happen...

...Oh **** oh **** me I said something out loud that I wanted DC to do, NOW THEY WILL NEVER DO IT. http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/3dlil/cry.gif

[CBG]

If Beechen comes back to Titans, I'll cry.

[Colossal Spoons]

This book has been poo lately.

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked the last issue with Kids Eternity and Devil.

[Colossal Spoons]

I've enjoyed the Terror Titans mini more than this book. Hope the new team is interesting(for the 40000th time) Go Static!

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I can't wait for Lorena to show up. I hope the next writer doesn't drop her from the team like every new writer drops Aquaman from the JLA if he actually, by some miracle, happens to be on the team at the time.

But I'm not bitter.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm still waiting for Tempest to join the Titans.

Yes, I am biter.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm more of a licker, myself.

[Eros]

I am biter to CS.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm not even gonna fix it lol

[TheCorpulent1]

Bold. I respect that.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm still waiting for Tempest to join the Titans.

Yes, I am biter.

I know, Winick promised us Tempest and he's still not there :cmad:

[CBG]

What did you expect? It's Winnick.

[Colossal Spoons]

Maybe if he did another Real World season, the fill-in writer could add Tempest.

[Assassin]

I'm really hoping that Gail Simone hops on one of the Titans books.

hold your tounge, boy :cmad:

[hippie_hunter]

I've been reading through a bunch of New Teen Titans lately and damn...Cracked.com is right. Terry Long is the Creepiest Comic Book Character of All Time. You see a bunch of 16-19 year olds and damn he's just standing there. A mid-forties man hanging out with a bunch of teenagers. And he's banging one of them too along with hitting on the rest :(

[TheCorpulent1]

How could he not be creepy with a name like "Terry Long"?

[WompuM]

Cracked did an article like that? Link?

[hippie_hunter]

Cracked did an article like that? Link?

http://www.cracked.com/article_16230_6-creepiest-comic-book-characters-all-time.html

The sad thing is that he surpasses Ultimate Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, Starfox, and a spunk blob.

[Lobo]

So what did you guys think issue 69? Static's official joining of the Titans? I enjoyed it, seems like a good get on point for new readers, and I like the way they're starting the relationship between Lorena and Virgil

[TheCorpulent1]

Kind of boring. The Face and the couple Jaime/Eddie moments in it were funny. It's nice to see Lorena and Static, but I want to see them actually do stuff.

[WompuM]

Static single handedly blew up the Tower. I consider that stuff. This book might just be on the rebound it desperately needs. Bring in Bart and I'll claim it officially as a comeback.

[TheCorpulent1]

Where in Teen Titans #69 did Static blow anything up? :huh:

[Lobo]

Uhh yeah, this was just an entire issue of them chatting, and the face getting his ass kicked by Lorena

[TheCorpulent1]

He might be talking about the annual, which I skipped because it's a "Deathtrap" prologue and I have no intention of buying "Deathtrap."

[Lobo]

I didn't pick up the Annual yet.

[WompuM]

oh. the annual was quite good. A lot of action. Good character moments. I mean, the big bad of it seems lame but they might be able to fix it. we'll see.

[hippie_hunter]

Jericho being the big bad of Deathtrap was known for quite a while.

[WompuM]

Oh it is Jericho? Well that's good. I thought it was actually gonna be cyborg for some idiotic reason.

[hippie_hunter]

Why would Cyborg be the big bad?

[WompuM]

I dont know. Hence my aggravation.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, it's Jericho in Cyborg's body, isn't it?

[WompuM]

Yeah. I just hadn't heard it was Jericho in there. Get off my back, Geez.

[TheCorpulent1]

Pff, you're a bad comic reader. Read your comics better. What's wrong with you? Too drunk to remember details? :o

[WompuM]

What's wrong with you? Huh? You wanna fight? Pardon me for thinking maybe they weren't uing Jericho already after using him times this year. Yeah!

[TheCorpulent1]

You know McKeever ain't exactly a rocket scientist when it comes to the Titans. You should've known. End of story. I'm gonna need you to hand in your comic-reading badge now. Let's not make this any harder than it has to be, son.

[WompuM]

I actually never bought the DC Vault so I don't have said badge.

[TheCorpulent1]

Then we'll do it Persian-style and I'll chop off your hand.

[hippie_hunter]

What's wrong with you? Huh? You wanna fight? Pardon me for thinking maybe they weren't uing Jericho already after using him times this year. Yeah!

Well come on...they pretty much revealed that Cyborg was possessed by Jericho in Titans and Vigilante weeks before this even happened.

[WompuM]

I dont read Vigilante. Shame on you.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's fair. Reading Vigilante is pretty shameful.

[Colossal Spoons]

Kinda mad I gotta skim it in the store now to make sense of the crossover


or....Tom Welling :ninja:

[hippie_hunter]

I dont read Vigilante. Shame on you.

I only picked up Vigilante for this crossover.

[WompuM]

I decided I'm not going to. Normally I would pick it up without 2nd thought, but I have come to realize lately that I don't give a **** about 60% of the books I read and am really going to start trimming the fat on what I read. If I miss a few parts of the Jericho crossover, big whoop. It'll either end with him a) being good b) being bad c) dieing. And the results will be seen later in other books when they return to the status quo.

[sethcohen]

i just wish the entire titans book never happened... stupid judd winnick

[RAMORE]

I dropped titans and TT budget is tight and my three fave young justice characters are gone so screw DC.

[Colossal Spoons]

i just wish the entire titans book never happened... stupid judd winnick

I like the Titans book, much better than TT I'd say.

[sethcohen]

thats like saying you prefer cat crap to dog crap... its still crap lol

[Colossal Spoons]

But cats have the decency to cover it up so I don't have to see/smell it :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Boy, this Deathtrap crossover is boring as hell. and the scenes literally jump around and change abruptly :down:

[Mogwai]

has static shock had any good scenes/lines yet?

[BrianWilly]

Kind of. I feel he's sort of mischaracterized as belligerent and paranoid -- and what's up with that **** about not even letting his family and friends know that he's alive? -- but McKeever is doing a great job of showing how very freaking powerful he is. Like, A-list powerful.

[TheCorpulent1]

Aw. Now I'm worried about coming back to TT after the Deathtrap nonsense is over. How's he handling Lorena?

[Colossal Spoons]

Neither she or Static have done much. They were only on the team for 1 issue before the crossover started and the whole thing has been very Titans-centric. The TT's are only there cuz Jericho wants to kill them after he's done w/ the grown-ups haha.

And a powerless Red Devil is just a burden at this point.

[TheCorpulent1]

Man, solid basis for a crossover if I ever heard one. :dry:

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm just pissed I'm gonna have 2 random ass Vigilante comics in my collection now. That book sucks so hard.

[CBG]

Why did Winnick have Jericho go bad again, after all the trouble Johns had in bringing him back?

[sethcohen]

because he has an impending need to write characters out of character... im dreading his batman run

[Colossal Spoons]

In Jericho's defense, he's crazy now; not really "evil"

:dry:

[TheCorpulent1]

Starman's crazy but he manages to not try and kill everyone he knows every five minutes.

[CBG]

In Jericho's defense, he's crazy now; not really "evil"

:dry:

He's a bad guy. AGAIN.

Heck, Raven was turned bad too, but not as long as Jericho has.

Friggin' Winnick.

[WompuM]

It will be interesting when they face a foe who isn't a teammate.

[Anubis]

They still publish this s**t?

[Assassin]

um..you guys are forgetting that deathstrokes controling him

[BrianWilly]

Right. From...inside his brain. 'Cause he's crazy.

[Colossal Spoons]

Exactly

[The Batman]

They really need to:

*Get a better writer
*Get a good, consistent artist
*give us a roster of Robin (Tim), Superboy (Connor), Impulse, Wonder Girl, Static, Miss Martian, Blue Beetle, and Aquagirl.