If you were in charge of DC OYL....

[The Batman]

How would you handle to respective universes?Which heroes would you kill? Which ones would you bring back? which retcons would you make? Discuss.

[XwolverineX]

Zatanna would die first, that biatch has got to go.:down The JLA would have the big 7, along side CM and the Atom. The Bat universe would stay the SAME, no switching identity crap. John Stewart should meet an unfortunate end.... Ted would come back :) . Arthur would stay as Aquaman, no lame replacement. CM3 would join the TT.

[Marvin]

i miss the morrision big seven days to tell you the truth

[XwolverineX]

i miss the morrision big seven days to tell you the truth



Me too :(

[Marvin]

amen brother...

[The Batman]

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[The Question]

Well, first off I'd reduce Batman's and Superman's books down to one each. As for the Justice League, I'd have Superman, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan, The Flash, Aquaman, Zatanna, Hawkman, Captain Atom, Nightshade, and Martian Manhunter. I'd have Batman go off on his own and join the Outsiders, adding a few new members. The new team would consist of Batman, Nightwing, Arsenal, Jade, The Question, Vera Black, Jason Blood, Shift, Metamorpho (mostly to actually have he and Shift play off of each other and actually make Shift his own person), Major Disaster, and mabey a few others. Also, I'd have the new Blue Beetle be able to comunicate with the spirits of Ted Kord and Dan Garret, and eventually they'd be able to take turns as to being in control of the guy's body.

[Lone Wolf]

Ted Kord would be alive and well again.My Justice League would involve Batman,Superman,Wonder Woman,Green Arrow,The Flash,Green Lantern(Hal Jordan)Black Canary,Booster Gold,Hawkgirl and Hawkman,Zatanna,Martian Manhunter,Elongated Man,and The Atom.All of them would have their specific duties to add to the team.

Captain Marvel Jr.,Stargirl,and Jakeen Thunder,would join the people known as the Teen Titans and serve their purposes of being on a team which they can all relate too as in age and etc....Also have Beast Boy be moved to higher ranks,and have Robin be team leader.Donna Troy would aid as a mentor and watch over them with Beast Boy.

My Outsiders division would be Nightwing,Arsenal,Cyborg,Starfire,Jade,Metamorpho, Thunder,Grace,Huntress,The Question,Vixen,and many others.

The BOP(Birds of Prey) would set themselves up as to protect Bludhaven and members include,Oracle,Gypsy,Black Canary,Powergirl,Huntress,and Batgirl.Power Girl would be a reserve for daytime use only and let the masks of the group do there thing.

The Bat universe would remain the way it is now but with a few changes that have been said in OYL.For instance Bruce would be the father of Selina Kyles baby and she'd be Catwoman.No blonde woman crap who is believed to be Holly.Nightwing would operate with the Outsiders and their base would be in NYC along with him protecting that city on his own at times with also aiding Gotham,and inrease his feelings for Starfire.Robin will be a operating in Gotham and train himself to be an even better detective,also be a little darker but not to dark with all the recent events in his life.Batgirl would STILL be Cassandra Cain and be the protecter of Bludhaven.Basically the Bat family would stay the same with a few minor changes that will happen via OYL.BRUCE WOULD REMAIN BATMAN for a few more years,thats a very important one.I dont want anyone taking over the mantle for awhile.

Arthur Curry would still be Aquaman and serve in the JLA.


More to come.

[The Batman]

Well, first off I'd reduce Batman's and Superman's books down to one each. As for the Justice League, I'd have Superman, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan, The Flash, Aquaman, Zatanna, Hawkman, Captain Atom, Nightshade, and Martian Manhunter. I'd have Batman go off on his own and join the Outsiders, adding a few new members. The new team would consist of Batman, Nightwing, Arsenal, Jade, The Question, Vera Black, Jason Blood, Shift, Metamorpho (mostly to actually have he and Shift play off of each other and actually make Shift his own person), Major Disaster, and mabey a few others. Also, I'd have the new Blue Beetle be able to comunicate with the spirits of Ted Kord and Dan Garret, and eventually they'd be able to take turns as to being in control of the guy's body.

No offense, but cancelling Detective and Action comics, two of the longest running comics in history, is a bad idea.

[The Question]

Why? I mean, I just really don't see a reason for more than one Batman book and more than one Superman book.

[The Batman]

Because Detective, Batman, Action, and Superman are titles that have all been mainstains throughout DC's history. And the thing about DC is, for the most part, they respect their history. Everyones expecting Action to be the first comic book to reach 1000. Cancelling Action and Detective would piss off the majority of DC fanboys. If you dont want more than 1 bats or supes book, turn them into anthology books focusing on DCU characters

[The Question]

Fine. All I want is one Batman and one Superman book. They could cancel Batman and Superman and just have Action and Detective, or turn Detective and Action into books about other characters like they were origionally. I really don't care either way, as long as there's just one Superman book and one Batman book on the shelves.

[The Batman]

Superman Universe

*Lex Luthor's still a criminal. The world knows he's evil, so no more LexCorp. He manages to steal back his fortune and starts building a criminal empire, staying one step ahead of Superman.

*I'd get rid of the MOS Origin and Birthright, and just go with a basic, easy to understand one.

*Due to Alexander Luthor's meddling with the different universes, the DCU is changed significantly. One of these changes is that Lois and Clark were never married, and Lois dosent know who Superman is.

*I'd bring back and revamp alot of the classic Superman villains.

*Superman and Clark would have two different personalities. Clark wont be overly goofy, however. Superman will actually act...Super.

*Superman rebuilds his Fotress of Solitude in the North Pole.

*The Superman books would be about Fantasy and wonder again, not just about punching supervillains.

[The Question]

Superman Universe

*Lex Luthor's still a criminal. The world knows he's evil, so no more LexCorp. He manages to steal back his fortune and starts building a criminal empire, staying one step ahead of Superman.

That would be cool. I always liked the buisnesman Lex, but having him be a crime boss on the run would be an interesting new angle.

*I'd get rid of the MOS Origin and Birthright, and just go with a basic, easy to understand one.

How are Birthright and MOS hard to understand?

*Due to Alexander Luthor's meddling with the different universes, the DCU is changed significantly. One of these changes is that Lois and Clark were never married, and Lois dosent know who Superman is.

Why?

*I'd bring back and revamp alot of the classic Superman villains.

I understand bringing them back, but why revamp them? Metallo, Bizarro, and Parasite are fine the way they are (with the exception of Rudy being dead).

*Superman and Clark would have two different personalities. Clark wont be overly goofy, however. Superman will actually act...Super.

I don't see why he has to act like two different people. Both aspects of his life are very different, and thus require different things from him. Superman is the hero. You notice him and admire him for his actions. Clark is the reporter. You notice and admire him for his words. That's how it should be handled, I think. Have Superman, to the people of Metropolis at least, seem less like a person and more like a force. You see what he does, but he just does it and doesn't say much. That way, you have him inspiring others, without having to take away from either aspects of his life.

*Superman rebuilds his Fotress of Solitude in the North Pole.

No complaints.

*The Superman books would be about Fantasy and wonder again, not just about punching supervillains.

Well, I gues getting into more sci-fi stuff would b interesting. But the problem with Superman is making sure that it doesn't get overly goofy.

[The Batman]

Batman Universe

*Realizing he's been an ass for years now, Bruce decides to go off and travel the world to relearn his purpose. He sends Tim to Japan to train with Richard Dragon to hone his fighting skills, and to various detectives to improve his detective work. He reluctantly leaves Gotham to The Question

*Commissioner Akins gets killed in action sometime during the year, and Jim Gordon, who gets back together with his first wife, takes up his role as commissioner.

*There's a mysterious vigilante named Batwoman, who's been brutally beating up criminals.

*Julie Madison is the new DA of Gotham City.

*Since playing a major role in saving the universe, Dick becomes a major player, finally moving away from Batman's shadow. He moves to NYC, and his book is now offically a DCU title.

*Batman and Robin return to find that Questions been chased out of town, and corruption in City Hall, with a large amount of supercriminals returning.

*Bruce is actually a character again, instead of seeing Batman all the time. Also, alot of supporting characters from Batman's history return.

[The Question]

Batman Universe

*Realizing he's been an ass for years now, Bruce decides to go off and travel the world to relearn his purpose. He sends Tim to Japan to train with Richard Dragon to hone his fighting skills, and to various detectives to improve his detective work. He reluctantly leaves Gotham to The Question

Cool idea. Although, I'm fairly certain that Richard Dragon lives in the Canadian mountains.

*Commissioner Akins gets killed in action sometime during the year, and Jim Gordon, who gets back together with his first wife, takes up his role as commissioner.

I don't think Gordon should become Comisioner again. It's just kind of going backwards. I think it would be better to have Gordon tell Batman outright that he knows who he is, and Gordon becomes Bruce's confidant.

*There's a mysterious vigilante named Batwoman, who's been brutally beating up criminals.

Interesting idea.

*Julie Madison is the new DA of Gotham City.

Who's Julie Madison?

*Since playing a major role in saving the universe, Dick becomes a major player, finally moving away from Batman's shadow. He moves to NYC, and his book is now offically a DCU title.

Since when was his book not a DCU title?

*Batman and Robin return to find that Questions been chased out of town, and corruption in City Hall, with a large amount of supercriminals returning.

The Question wouldn;t be chased out of town. Not in his character. He ain't a coward like that. He'd stay till they killed him.

*Bruce is actually a character again, instead of seeing Batman all the time. Also, alot of supporting characters from Batman's history return.

Cool idea.

[The Batman]

*The Marriage between Lois and Clark is boring. Even Jerry Siegel didnt think lois should ever marry Clark. Many times, Clark has looked feminine in the relationship, and lois acts like a complete B*tch to him. Mainly, the only time they should be married is when the story ends, like in Whatever happened to the man of tommorow.

*Clark was never supposed to be the all star football player or the award winning famous journalist. He was supposed to be your every day guy, passing through without no one noticing him. The great part about superman was that it was a metaphor: Even beneath the most mundane of personalities lay someone spectactular and well...Super.

*When I talk about classic villains, I mean ones that have fallen by the wayside, and have been forgotten. I'd revamp Zod though.

*Birthright and MOS take too many liberites. Birthright had the aura reading Superman who was a vegetarian. MOS had a Superman that completely rejected krypton and had some crappy birthing matrix crap.

[The Batman]

Cool idea. Although, I'm fairly certain that Richard Dragon lives in the Canadian mountains.



I don't think Gordon should become Comisioner again. It's just kind of going backwards. I think it would be better to have Gordon tell Batman outright that he knows who he is, and Gordon becomes Bruce's confidant.



Interesting idea.



Who's Julie Madison?



Since when was his book not a DCU title?



The Question wouldn;t be chased out of town. Not in his character. He ain't a coward like that. He'd stay till they killed him.



Cool idea.

Julie Madison was the first Batman love interest Bruce ever had. She's in Batman and the monster men, training to be a lawyer.

Nightwing is techincally apart of the Batman line. Its just considered a bat-book. I'm talking about moving him to a DCU Title, along with Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, etc.

IMO, the only time the GCPD are interesting is when you have Gordon in there. He's just too iconic to replace.

I figured Question wouldnt run....but i couldnt think of another way to have him leave gotham so abruptly.

[The Question]

*The Marriage between Lois and Clark is boring. Even Jerry Siegel didnt think lois should ever marry Clark. Many times, Clark has looked feminine in the relationship, and lois acts like a complete B*tch to him. Mainly, the only time they should be married is when the story ends, like in Whatever happened to the man of tommorow.

I really like their relationship. And undoing it would just be taking a step backwards. Instead, if one isn't happy withe the marraige, one should try and find a way to make it work.

*Clark was never supposed to be the all star football player or the award winning famous journalist. He was supposed to be your every day guy, passing through without no one noticing him. The great part about superman was that it was a metaphor: Even beneath the most mundane of personalities lay someone spectactular and well...Super.

Well, the football thing I agree with. He wouldn't want to call atention to himself in that regard. But I like the idea of him being a talanted writer and journolist. Because, to him at least, it would have been something that he would have actually had to work at. Because of his powers, alot of things would have been easy for him. But to actuallyu try and cultivate a skill in writing, and to have a talant that didn't stem from his powers, that would mean alot to him. Make him feel a little less isolated.

*When I talk about classic villains, I mean ones that have fallen by the wayside, and have been forgotten. I'd revamp Zod though.

Well, bringing back Zod would be a bad thing.

*Birthright and MOS take too many liberites. Birthright had the aura reading Superman who was a vegetarian. MOS had a Superman that completely rejected krypton and had some crappy birthing matrix crap.

Well, I don't personally mind him rejecting Krypton. I never understood how someone raised on Earth would put so much emphasis on a culture he never actually new and a people he never actually met. Sure, I think Byrne went a bit too far. He should respect Krypton and where he came from. But it makes more sense to me that he'd have a greater respect for Earth.

Julie Madison was the first Batman love interest Bruce ever had. She's in Batman and the monster men, training to be a lawyer.

Okay. Cool.

Nightwing is techincally apart of the Batman line. Its just considered a bat-book. I'm talking about moving him to a DCU Title, along with Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, etc.

I got ya'.

IMO, the only time the GCPD are interesting is when you have Gordon in there. He's just too iconic to replace.

But like I said, it would just be taking a step backwards. I'd rather have him be the retired cop who's a confidant to the now aging vigilante (Bruce would be considered middle aged by now, or close to it at least).

I figured Question wouldnt run....but i couldnt think of another way to have him leave gotham so abruptly.

Then why have him leave? Why not have him team with Batman for a while?

[The Batman]

Most adopted people want to know where they come from, especially if they;re alien. As for Gordon, Maybe you're right, but there are some things, IMO, that shouldnt be changed, and thats gordon as commissioner. Especially since he's really been the only interesting interaction between batman and the GCPD.

And about The Question....How about he leaves when Batman comes back, deciding that since Gothams in good hands, he should go protect hub city or chicago again?

[The Question]

Most adopted people want to know where they come from, especially if they;re alien.

Very true. I'm just saying, once he finds out, I still think he'd consider Earth as his home, and respects what he learned growing up an Earth more, even though he would respect Krypton.

As for Gordon, Maybe you're right, but there are some things, IMO, that shouldnt be changed, and thats gordon as commissioner. Especially since he's really been the only interesting interaction between batman and the GCPD.

Well, way I see it, have Batman not work well with the GCPD without Gordon, and have Gordon being his confidant, advising him to tread cautiosly with them now that he's out of the picture.

And about The Question....How about he leaves when Batman comes back, deciding that since Gothams in good hands, he should go protect hub city or chicago again?

That'd work.

[The Batman]

Green Lantern Universe

*The Guardians choose Kyle to be the first Ion, the Dc version of the Silver Surfer. He's granted more power than a regualr Green Lantern Corps member, and is tasked with the mission of watching over the DCU.

*John fills in Kyle's role as a leader of the GL Corps, since Geoff Johns apparently doesnt want to use him that much.

*Sinestro has formed a Sinestro Corps.

*Hal is stil not trusted by alot of the GL Corps and fellow DC Heroes.

*I'd revamp alot of Hal's villains from the 1960's.

*There's a new Parallax.

*The main idea of the GL books is to please fans of a certain GL. Most of the main GL's have important roles in the mythos.

[The Batman]

Wonder Woman Universe

*The Universe has changed so that Diana is indeed one of the original members of the JLA

*With paradise island and the gods gone, WW creates the identity of Diana Prince. One idea i had was that she'd be an agent of checkmate, but i dunno about that.

*Donna officially becomes the new Harbringer.

*The main idea would be to make Diana more appealing to the General audience and make her more of an icon alongside bats and supes. She wouldnt have an all new cast. She;d still be in NYC.

*Ares is still around on this plane of existence.

*I'd create a new version of Fury, and make her a villain.

[The Question]

*Sinestro has formed a Sinestro Corps.

Sounds interesting. What would they be like?

*There's a new Parallax.

Would it be someone trying to follow in Hal's footseps, as in making the universe better by force, or would it involve the yellow fear demon?

*The Universe has changed so that Diana is indeed one of the original members of the JLA

I don't really care either way, but I kind of liked Black Canary being an origional. I would, however, have had Wonder Woman come on the scene right about the time Superman and Batman joined the League, and not much later as it is now.

*With paradise island and the gods gone, WW creates the identity of Diana Prince. One idea i had was that she'd be an agent of checkmate, but i dunno about that.

I don't really see the point of her having a secret identity. It just doesn't seem to fit with her. Still, her becoming an agent of the government isn't a bad idea.

[The Batman]

The Sinestro corps is basically Sinestro giving the most vile, evil people in the universe a yellow power ring and telling them to cause anarchy and fear across the galaxy.

And with Parallax, it's about the Yellow Bug infecting someone and turning them into a power hungry being. Also, i felt the DCU needed more galatic characters like Marvel...

[The Question]

The Sinestro corps is basically Sinestro giving the most vile, evil people in the universe a yellow power ring and telling them to cause anarchy and fear across the galaxy.

That don't seem right to me. It doesn't seem like Sinestro. Sinestro believes whole heartedly that what he does is rightious. He doesn't create chaos. He creates order. But his order. Inslaving planets and the like. He believes that people cannot be good and peaceful on their own, and they need a strong hand to force order upon them. That's why he was expelled from the corps. He crossed the line between peacekeeper and dictator. I'd think that a Sinestro corps should be like a vigilante group to the Green Lantern Corps' police force. They undertake the extreme measures that they feel are necessairy to insure order.

And with Parallax, it's about the Yellow Bug infecting someone and turning them into a power hungry being. Also, i felt the DCU needed more galatic characters like Marvel...

I really hated the yellow fear demon. Completely destroyed a great chance for a character arc with Hal trying to regain everyone's trust. I'd rather see someone who was a fan of Hal while we he was Paralax trying to do what he did.

[The Batman]

Teen Titans

*Two Titan teams: Titans West and Titans East.

*Titans West(Main Team): Robin, Supernova(Connor), Wonder Girl, Kid Flash, Stargirl, Ravager, Speedy, Static.

*Titans East: CM3, Batgirl, Aquagirl, Hawk & Dove, Connor Hawke, Empress, Kid Devil, Bumblebee

*After helping the Big Three save the universe, Connor becomes Supernova, and his TK improve greatly. He's stuck in a love triangle between Cassie and Batgirl.

*After training with Richard Dragon, Robin's back and more focused than ever. He's still the same Tim, but some of his Batman like behaviors starts worrying the team.

*Bart would gain back some of the sillyness he had in YJ and his solo book. Johns has made Bart TOO serious. I'd show his long time crush on Ravager grow slowly into love.

*There's friendly competition between the west and east titans.

*Mainly, both books deal with being Teens growing up with powers. To be honest, i dont think the johns run has captured that like YJ did.

*I'd also introduce new villains. In fact, I wouldnt use Deathstroke or Trigon in a storyline for at least a year.

[The Batman]

That don't seem right to me. It doesn't seem like Sinestro. Sinestro believes whole heartedly that what he does is rightious. He doesn't create chaos. He creates order. But his order. Inslaving planets and the like. He believes that people cannot be good and peaceful on their own, and they need a strong hand to force order upon them. That's why he was expelled from the corps. He crossed the line between peacekeeper and dictator. I'd think that a Sinestro corps should be like a vigilante group to the Green Lantern Corps' police force. They undertake the extreme measures that they feel are necessairy to insure order.

I think that while his character was all about that at first, most versions have now portrayed him as wanting revenge against the GL Corps.

[The Question]

Teen Titans

*Two Titan teams: Titans West and Titans East.

*Titans West(Main Team): Robin, Supernova(Connor), Wonder Girl, Kid Flash, Stargirl, Ravager, Speedy, Static.

*Titans East: CM3, Batgirl, Aquagirl, Hawk & Dove, Connor Hawke, Empress, Kid Devil, Bumblebee

*After helping the Big Three save the universe, Connor becomes Supernova, and his TK improve greatly. He's stuck in a love triangle between Cassie and Batgirl.

*After training with Richard Dragon, Robin's back and more focused than ever. He's still the same Tim, but some of his Batman like behaviors starts worrying the team.

*Bart would gain back some of the sillyness he had in YJ and his solo book. Johns has made Bart TOO serious. I'd show his long time crush on Ravager grow slowly into love.

*There's friendly competition between the west and east titans.

*Mainly, both books deal with being Teens growing up with powers. To be honest, i dont think the johns run has captured that like YJ did.

*I'd also introduce new villains. In fact, I wouldnt use Deathstroke or Trigon in a storyline for at least a year.

For once, we're in complete agreement. Also, if Deathstroke was to be used, I'd suggest actually writing him well. Slade is supposed to be like a masterless samurai. He kills and does other very naught things, but he has a strong sense of honor and morality. Johns writes him as a sadistic ******* who'd kill a baby if you payed him ten bucks.

I think that while his character was all about that at first, most versions have now portrayed him as wanting revenge against the GL Corps.

Very true. Still, I don;t see why you can't do both. What better revenge than procing that they're way is wrong and his is right?

[deathshead2]

More Question!!!

[supes_el]

The Batman, you are the man....I whole heartedly agree with mostly all you said. Keep it up mate....The back and forth between you and The Question provides for an awesome read.

[The Batman]

why thanks....if you have any ideas yourself, please share them. I'd like to see what other people would do with the DCU if they had a chance to propel them a year forward

[The Batman]

JLA

*After a year, Superman and Martian Manhunter decide to reform the Justice League.

Roster: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan, The Flash, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Zatanna, Cyborg. This is the initial lineup.

*This book would probably be the biggest and most important book the DC line has. Every DC fan should be reading this book. It'd have the big action of Grant Morrison's JLA, as well some character moments too.

*The JLA is often at odds with the new Global Guardians and Checkmate.

*The HQ would be like the one on JLU: A merger between the watchtower and the satellite.

*I probably wouldnt use the White Martians for awhile. Instead, villains like Despero, Dr. Light, Dr. Destiny, Eclipso, Starbreaker, and Grey Man will be brought back.

*THere'd be a JLA/JSA teamup once a year. What can I say, I'm a sucker for tradition.

[The Sage]

*Birthright and MOS take too many liberites. Birthright had the aura reading Superman who was a vegetarian. MOS had a Superman that completely rejected krypton and had some crappy birthing matrix crap.

While I don't like the vegetarian aspect, the aura reading part was a nice touch. It gave Superman a more empathic ability and brings more to how even a god-like deals with pain. Check out the second chapter of Elliott Maggin's Miracle Monday. You'll see what I mean.

[The Question]

JLA

*After a year, Superman and Martian Manhunter decide to reform the Justice League.

Roster: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan, The Flash, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Zatanna, Cyborg. This is the initial lineup.

Not bad. Still, I'd personally keep the street level heroes like Batman, Green Arrow, and Black Canary out of it. I think it would be more interesting to have Batman go off on his own and join up with the new Outsiders.

*This book would probably be the biggest and most important book the DC line has. Every DC fan should be reading this book. It'd have the big action of Grant Morrison's JLA, as well some character moments too.

No complaints there.

*The JLA is often at odds with the new Global Guardians and Checkmate.

How so? The Global Gaurdians are an international team. That mean the League is going to be more U.S. government sponsored? Or what?

*I probably wouldnt use the White Martians for awhile. Instead, villains like Despero, Dr. Light, Dr. Destiny, Eclipso, Starbreaker, and Grey Man will be brought back.

Good ideas all around. Personally, I'd try and come up with new threats myself.

*THere'd be a JLA/JSA teamup once a year. What can I say, I'm a sucker for tradition.

Actually, I'd combine the two teams. I'd have Wildcat, Hawkman, Alan Scott, and Jay Garrick serve as sort of trainers to the new recruits.

[The Question]

Anyway, here are my ideas for Batman OYL:



1. Bane, after killing his father, has taken control of the Purple Dragons, and has proceeded to take control of the hispanic and asian street gangs in Gotham, converting them into a working crime syndicate.

2. Tim has started acting more and more like Bruce, which is disturbing his friends.

3. Harvey has become a defense atounry, seeing as how all the murders make it impossible to regain his license to practice law as a prosicutor, even though it was due to a mental breakdown. He has rekindled his romance with Gilda.

4. Tim and Cassie are an item. Not as much boyfriend and girlfriend as they are "**** buddies".

5. The Joker, Mr. Zsasz, and The Scarecrow have joined forces, forming a gang from the homeless, disenfranchized, and psychotic in Gotham.

6. Harley has become pregnant by The Joker, and thus The Joker has become insanely over protective of her.

7. The resident crime lords of Gotham, The Penguin, Black Mask, Bane, and Scarface, see The Joker's gang as a threat to their buisness and to the safety of Gotham. Since the police can't do anything about it, they decide to deal with it personally. Black Mask sums it up with "We may be sucking the life out of Gotham for our own gain, but it's still our home. Nobody ****s with it."

8. A new serial killer has hit the streets. He or she is targeting criminals who have gotten off in court. And, his or her M.O. is exactly like Two Face's. Flips a coin. If it's heads, the victim lives. If it's tails, they get two shots in the head from a 22. hand gun. The only catch? For half of the killings, Harvey Dent has perfectly resonable alibies.

[deathshead2]

Anyway, here are my ideas for Batman OYL:



1. Bane, after killing his father, has taken control of the Purple Dragons, and has proceeded to take control of the hispanic and asian street gangs in Gotham, converting them into a working crime syndicate..1. I thought Bane was dead and 2. I thought the Purple dragons was just in TMNT?

[The Question]

1. Oh crap.

2. I thought that was the name of King Snake's gang in DC.

[deathshead2]

1. Oh crap.

2. I thought that was the name of King Snake's gang in DC.:confused: King snake who is that?

[The Question]

Bane's father. He's a british crime boss. Bane killed him.

[deathshead2]

Bane's father. He's a british crime boss. Bane killed him for abandoning him.Wait im confused now I thought banes dad was dead to thats why he was in prison because his father died so he had to take his place?At least thats what it said in batman knightfall. Unless there were more stories they added to it or DC retconned it.

[The Question]

His father wasn't dead. He simply abandoned Bane.

[deathshead2]

His father wasn't dead. He simply abandoned Bane.How did he get out of jail?

[The Question]

By running away. He left Bane to rot in fail for his crimes.

[deathshead2]

By running away. He left Bane to rot in fail for his crimes.Hmm I didn't know this Bane must have been pissed when he found out.

[The Question]

Which is why he killed him.

[deathshead2]

Which is why he killed him.How did he kill him tell me knowing bane it should be cool.

[The Question]

It was in the Hymilayas I think. The two fought for a bit, and in the end Bane threw him off the mountain into a big cavern.

[deathshead2]

It was in the Hymilayas I think. The two fought for a bit, and in the end Bane threw him off the mountain into a big cavern.:confused: Thats it if I know comic books that doesn't always mean dead did bane or bats check to make sure he was dead.

[The Question]

No. But he fell of one of the tallest mountain ranges on the planet. If he comes back, it would have to be because of something like the Lazerous pits.

[deathshead2]

No. But he fell of one of the tallest mountain ranges on the planet. If he comes back, it would have to be because of something like the Lazerous pits.But were talking about comics here logic in the real world doesn't laways work there. So there still a chance he could be alive sense no checked. Doesn't matter anyway he more than likely wouldn't come back.

[The Question]

No, he probably won't. And comics should still use logic when it's apropriate. If not, it just gets stupid.

[cerealkiller182]

I would spread around the characters to more of the teams. Some of these i think have already been mentioned but they work as a whole:

Justice League: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Hawkgirl, GL Jon Stewart, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Cyborg and Blue Beetle.

Outsiders: Nightwing, Arsenal, Grace, Thunder, Metamorpho, Captain Boomerang, and Green Arrow II

Teen Titans: Robin, Kid Flash, Wonder Girl, Kid Devil, Ravager, and Speedy

The Seven Soldiers and Doom patrol stay as is.

Shadowpact: Blue Devil, Nightshade, Nightmaster, Enchantress, Detective Chimp, Ragman, Faust and Zauriel.

Suicide Squad: Catman, Deadshot, Chesire, Parademon, Ragdoll, Clock King, and (maybe) Jason Todd as the Red Hood

Brids of Prey: Oracle, Huntress, Black Canary, Shiva, Flamebird, Hawk and Dove, and (maybe) Catwoman

The new Young Justice: Captain Marvel Jr., Batgirl, Lagoon Boy, Aquagirl, Plastic Man's son, and Zattara

The new Freedom Fighter: Captain Atom, Ray, Power Girl, Booster Gold, Elongted Man, Fire and Ice
Difference between Freedom Fighters and JLA is FF as government sponsopship.

I thought about putting Hal on the Freedom Fighters but he seems better as a solo act which is why I left him out of the JLU in the first place. I also thought about placing Harllequin, the supposed joker's daughter on the Teen Titans or the Young Justice, but I'm not sure. I kinda want to see her get resolved.

[The Batman]

Anyway, here are my ideas for Batman OYL:



1. Bane, after killing his father, has taken control of the Purple Dragons, and has proceeded to take control of the hispanic and asian street gangs in Gotham, converting them into a working crime syndicate.

2. Tim has started acting more and more like Bruce, which is disturbing his friends.

3. Harvey has become a defense atounry, seeing as how all the murders make it impossible to regain his license to practice law as a prosicutor, even though it was due to a mental breakdown. He has rekindled his romance with Gilda.

4. Tim and Cassie are an item. Not as much boyfriend and girlfriend as they are "**** buddies".

5. The Joker, Mr. Zsasz, and The Scarecrow have joined forces, forming a gang from the homeless, disenfranchized, and psychotic in Gotham.

6. Harley has become pregnant by The Joker, and thus The Joker has become insanely over protective of her.

7. The resident crime lords of Gotham, The Penguin, Black Mask, Bane, and Scarface, see The Joker's gang as a threat to their buisness and to the safety of Gotham. Since the police can't do anything about it, they decide to deal with it personally. Black Mask sums it up with "We may be sucking the life out of Gotham for our own gain, but it's still our home. Nobody ****s with it."

8. A new serial killer has hit the streets. He or she is targeting criminals who have gotten off in court. And, his or her M.O. is exactly like Two Face's. Flips a coin. If it's heads, the victim lives. If it's tails, they get two shots in the head from a 22. hand gun. The only catch? For half of the killings, Harvey Dent has perfectly resonable alibies.

I found 4 to be messed up. I know it often happens in movies, tv, etc. that a guy will hook up with his Dead best friends girl, but i dont thiunk Tim would do that. Just my opinion, of course.

[The Batman]

Not bad. Still, I'd personally keep the street level heroes like Batman, Green Arrow, and Black Canary out of it. I think it would be more interesting to have Batman go off on his own and join up with the new Outsiders.



No complaints there.



How so? The Global Gaurdians are an international team. That mean the League is going to be more U.S. government sponsored? Or what?



Good ideas all around. Personally, I'd try and come up with new threats myself.



Actually, I'd combine the two teams. I'd have Wildcat, Hawkman, Alan Scott, and Jay Garrick serve as sort of trainers to the new recruits.


In Green Lantern, there's a storyline where hal's in hot water because of a superhero treaty where American heroes cant stop metahuman threats in certain countries. I figured the JLA would decide that, whether its london, or canada, or asia, when there's a threat, they stop it. Naturally, some members of the GG are from a country where this treaty is enacted, bringing them into conflict with the JLA

[The Question]

I found 4 to be messed up. I know it often happens in movies, tv, etc. that a guy will hook up with his Dead best friends girl, but i dont thiunk Tim would do that. Just my opinion, of course.


I just think it's a sort of mutual turning to one another for comfort. And really, they both realize that their relationship is severely ****ed up. It's just that they themselves are severely ****ed up people, so in a darkly poetic way, it sort of fits.

In Green Lantern, there's a storyline where hal's in hot water because of a superhero treaty where American heroes cant stop metahuman threats in certain countries. I figured the JLA would decide that, whether its london, or canada, or asia, when there's a threat, they stop it. Naturally, some members of the GG are from a country where this treaty is enacted, bringing them into conflict with the JLA

Ah. I see. Makes sense.

[The Batman]

52/OYL

*Main Characters: Blue Beetle(Ted Kord), Booster Gold, Steel, Question, Black Adam, Batwoman

*Blue Beetle: After his death in Countdown, he gets revived by the Beetle scarab midway through Infinite Crisis. He now has the powers of the scarab, and a new suit(A Cross between the new Blue Beetles suit and Ted's suit). He aides Batman's team in destroying Brother Eye. In 52, he finally achieves his dream of being taken seriously. But, with that seriousness comes a price.

*Booster Gold: After helping to destory Brother Eye, Booster becomes the first celebrity superhero, using future historical books to stop crimes before they happen. 52 details his sucess and fame, him and Ted growing apart, and the superhero community looking down on his exploits.

*Steel: With Superman Gone, John Henry Irons comes back as Steel, with a modified outfit. His main role in 52 is attempting to bring down Lex Luthor and save metropolis from itself.

*The Question: Batman leaves Gotham City to Vic Sage. In 52, Vic spends his time trying to bring down corruption in the city, while playing a cat and mouse game with the new Batwoman, trying to fins out who she is.

*Black Adam: He becomes the Dr. Doom of the DCU, taking over his home country. In 52, we'll see how he deals with rival countries and his newfound role. He slowly becomes more and more morally unbalanced with his methods of dealing out justice.

*Batwoman: Trying to avenge the death of Crispus Allen, Renee Montoya becomes Batwoman. Renee has become an alcoholic, obsessed with getting revenge on Jim Corrigan and stopping Gothams increasing crime rate.

*During the year, Checkmate is reestablished to keep the metahumans in check. It's headed up by King Faraday. It's members include Fire, Amanda Waller, Captain Atom, Bronze Tiger, Sasha, Nemesis, Christopher Chance, Richard Dragon, and a mysterious Raven haired beauty named Diana Prince.

*Many revamped versions of old teams come back, including Doom Patrol, Global Guardians, and the Freedom Fighters.

*Lex is secretly rebuilding the Secret Society of supervillains.

*Ra's Al Ghul suddenly comes back from the dead, a result of alexander luthor and superboy prime tampering with the universes. He kills Nyssa and goes into hiding.

*Vandal Savage unleashes a deadly attack, killing millions of people. He becomes a major villain in 52.

*The idea of 52 is to use the time of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman's abscences to build up alot of old school DC teams and characters. The plan is to have each of the main characters play a major role in the outscape of the new Dc Comics.

*Black Lightning would finally take the role he was supposed to have when he was created: THe Major African American Superhero. His stock in the DCU will finally rise.

*Cosmic universe: Darkseid will become without a doubt the most powerful guy in the DCU. He'll be able to take on whole teams and whoop their ass. Also, I'd bring back Imperiex, The original Mongul, and create a new parallax. The New Gods would try to go back to the old Kirby style. Adam Strange would get his own title.

*I'd bring Static to the DCU, along with some other milestone characters, and let the original creative teams work on their books.

[BrianWilly]

Linda Danvers comes back and kills the hell out of everyone.

[The Question]

How I'd have handled Superman OYL:


1) Everyone knows that Lex is a criminal. He's evaded authorities for months, and has now built up a quite succesful crime syndicate. In his employ are the Six from the "Villains United" mini series. Of course, since Parademon died, Knockout has joined the group. Lex has blackmailed Cheshire into cooperating. They're responsible for dozens of thefts, and have even managed to get a few poloticians in Lex's pocket. He begins to resemble Proffesor Moriarty from the Sherlock Holmes novels a bit. Lex is held up underground in Metropolis, in several abandoned subay tunnels that he has converted into a very luxurious living space.

2) Mxyzptlk is dead. He was able to get to the fifth dimension, but due to the massave damage there, he was not able to get help in time, and succumed to his injuries. As his final act, he combined Clark and Lois' DNA inside Lois, making her pregnant with Clark's child. Something that otherwise would have been impossible. The child has been born, and it is a girl. They've named her Lucy.

3) The Prankster and the Toyman have gone into buisness together, sevring as techies for hire in the criminal underworld. They currently work as Lex Luthor's asistants.

4) A republican senator from Kansas, Zachary Obidiah Dodson, is well on his way to becoming the new president of the united states. Everyone loves him. Even his polotical oponents agree with him most of the time, though they keep it to themselves. He's charming, carismatic, and highly inteligent. Clark, however, doesn't trust him. He says that someone about the man's eyes is familiar, and that familiarity is not a good thing.

5) Ruy Jones is back as The Parasite. He kills the new Parasite. That's all that needs to be said, really.

6) Metallo has become a mob boss in Metropolis.

7) Bizarro is living peacefully on an alien world that is inhabited by creatures much less developed than humans. Compared to them, he's a genius.

[hippie_hunter]

Nightwing is in Gotham City working with Batman and Robin. Not in New York City fighting Jason Todd or not presumed dead with the Outsiders.

That's all that needs to be changed at the moment. That and have the ORIGINAL TITANS REUNITED DAMMIT :mad:

[Lone Wolf]

Nightwing is in Gotham City working with Batman and Robin. Not in New York City fighting Jason Todd or not presumed dead with the Outsiders.

Also married to Barbara Gordon after proposing to her a year before, and not sleeping around with random women whose names he doesn't know.

[warren_sparta27]

Batman:
*leaves Gotham in the hands of the Question to travel overseas and train Nightwing and Robin.
*he has a child with Selina.
*Harvey Bullock becomes the new commionsher of Gotham
*Gordon becomes Batman's daytime informit, and confronts Batman about his true identity.

Robin
*leaves Gotham with Batman to further is training overseas
*framed for the murder of Batgirl
*Bane/ or Cassandra is the new leader of the League of Assasians after killing Nyssa

Nightwing
*marries Barbara
*stays in Bludhaven and helps the BOP rebuild the city

Superman
*loses his powers
*gets lois pregers
*lex is creating a supervillian society

Batwoman
*montoya becomes the new Batwoman protcecting Gotham during 52 while Batman is away

Teen Titans
*members: Robin (leader), Cybrog, Wonder Girl, Mia, Beast Boy and Raven
*Tim trying to bring Connor back

Outsiders
*Batman joins as the leader