The Twelve Year Absence

[Kaboom]

So Superman: The Movie came on the other day, and of course i started watching it (after not having seen it in years). After Jonathan's heart attack, clark goes off and spends 12 years in the FOS, learning everything about his powers, kryptonian history, etc. He appears suit and all, and flies toward the screen. Then we get bumbling Clark.

Now, i clearly am not as familiar with the mythos as everyone else...if this was a Donner creation, if its in any other versions, or addressed in birthright, or what. What i do know, is that Smallville is kind of using the Donner movie as a foundation to tell its story.

so the question is: How entrenched in the mythology is this twelve year absence and how will Smallville address it?

[Superfreak]

it's not, and it might not be, but it might be

hows that answer?

[JAX]

so the question is: How entrenched in the mythology is this twelve year absence and how will Smallville address it?

I dont think they will. Like Crisis said...its different interpretations. I think the 12 years absence is more of a director/producer call than a mythos/continuity/storyline requirement.

[The Incredible Hulk]

probably wont have the 12 year absence, but he could have the 7 year itch.. and I wouldnt rule out the 100 Years War either ;) :p

[Kaboom]

probably wont have the 12 year absence, but he could have the 7 year itch.. and I wouldnt rule out the 100 Years War either ;) :p
....or the 1 month bender! oh, how i miss undergrad.

[The Caped Knight]

In the mythology & in every different incarnation of The SUPERMAN story(comics, film, TV, ) , Clark Kent leaves Smallville @ The age of [18] .

SUPERMAN : The movie - Clark spent 12 years in The FOS (learning about Krypton, The planet earth, his powers ,etc ....)

SUPERMAN comics (Post Crisis) - Clark leaves "Smallville" and travels around the world for 8 years, before he becomes SUPERMAN .

Lois & Clark - Clark made The around The world journey (just like in the P.C. comics)

STAS - Again Clark made The around The world journey .

Smallville - Unknown.

[Ultimate_Superman]

In the mythology & in every different incarnation of The SUPERMAN story(comics, film, TV, ) , Clark Kent leaves Smallville @ The age of [18] .

SUPERMAN : The movie - Clark spent 12 years in The FOS (learning about Krypton, The planet earth, his powers ,etc ....)

SUPERMAN comics (Post Crisis) - Clark leaves "Smallville" and travels around the world for 8 years, before he becomes SUPERMAN .

Lois & Clark - Clark made The around The world journey (just like in the P.C. comics)

STAS - Again Clark made The around The world journey .

Smallville - Unknown.Smaville mike as well not bother with that because during the time Superman was making his around the earth tour he was taking college courses by e-mail or mail. SV he is staying at home and doing it there so SV should just stick to what they are doing.

[triplet]

Gough said in an interview that the events in this season would start being more wide ranging and might even take place in other places worldwide, not that we've actually seen too much of that so far. So I think they will have Clark roam from his homebase in Smallville if they do that at all.

[Kaboom]

talk abou ttaking a step forward then....clark gets to see the world....realizes that problems arent limited to smallville/metropolis....learn about different justice systems.....maybe we could see some central city, or gotham (even if it sans batman). i like the way that sounds. lucy is on the run in europe right? maybe she gets into trouble, and lois and clark (moment for laughter) go looking for her. sounds hot. i dig.

[avidreader]

Gough said in an interview that the events in this season would start being more wide ranging and might even take place in other places worldwide, not that we've actually seen too much of that so far. So I think they will have Clark roam from his homebase in Smallville if they do that at all.

I think he was talking about Clark's little trips to the Arctic.

[Superfreak]

In the mythology & in every different incarnation of The SUPERMAN story(comics, film, TV, ) , Clark Kent leaves Smallville @ The age of [18] .

SUPERMAN : The movie - Clark spent 12 years in The FOS (learning about Krypton, The planet earth, his powers ,etc ....)

SUPERMAN comics (Post Crisis) - Clark leaves "Smallville" and travels around the world for 8 years, before he becomes SUPERMAN .

Lois & Clark - Clark made The around The world journey (just like in the P.C. comics)

STAS - Again Clark made The around The world journey .

Smallville - Unknown.

actually in STAS, he just kind of showed up, with no mention of the in between time. One moment he throws himself off a cliff in what appears to be an attempted suicide, realizes he can fly, goes home, hugs his parent... flash forward to Clark arriving at the DP. So we don't really know what happened during the inbetween.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

actually in STAS, he just kind of showed up, with no mention of the in between time. One moment he throws himself off a cliff in what appears to be an attempted suicide, realizes he can fly, goes home, hugs his parent... flash forward to Clark arriving at the DP. So we don't really know what happened during the inbetween.after superman makes his first aperance in costume he goes back to smallville and talks with ma and pa and martha tells him that she has kept a scrap book of his good deeds around the world.

[The Caped Knight]

after superman makes his first aperance in costume he goes back to smallville and talks with ma and pa and martha tells him that she has kept a scrap book of his good deeds around the world.

Exactly, just like she did in(The post Crisis comics) [THE MAN OF STEEL]& [Birthright]series.

[Kane]

The Donner Superman was clearly the most intelligent educated Superman. 12 years in the Fortress learning everything about the universe and of humanity from Jor-el...Holy.

[Ultimate_Superman]

^ Yea but thats because he was based off of Pre-Crisis Superman who was proably the smartest man in the world second to Lex.

[The Caped Knight]

The Donner Superman was clearly the most intelligent educated Superman. 12 years in the Fortress learning everything about the universe and of humanity from Jor-el...Holy.

I disagree, While I enjoy some of Donner's version Of SUPERMAN. I enjoyed John Byrne a whole lot more. It showed Clark made a choice due to the strong upbring by Jonathan & Martha Kent, To leave his home @ 18 and travel around The World, Learning about his new home & how he can use his powers to help people. Before Jor-EL made contact with him (about his Mission). I show Clark made The Choice to become SUPERMAN. He created his "OWN DESTINY" .

[Kaboom]

well i guess theyre are going to do the whole travel the world thing, now that the "zoners" are all over the place, and GA urging clark to go find people who need him instead of waiting.

[Serene]

I cannot believe that you dredged up this old thread from the depths of the SHH basement archives. LOL.. I'm impressed. :D

[Kaboom]

well thanks...it was my thread though, so it was easy to find. =)

[avidreader]

well i guess theyre are going to do the whole travel the world thing, now that the "zoners" are all over the place, and GA urging clark to go find people who need him instead of waiting.



LOL!

Did you just bring this thread up again so you could show us that you now know how to use the search function? :cwink: :oldrazz: :woot:

I wonder if they went on location to show Seattle?

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

LOL!

Did you just bring this thread up again so you could show us that you now know how to use the search function? :cwink: :oldrazz: :woot:

I wonder if they went on location to show Seattle?
thats shows how he is better then most here. becuase he could have just made a new one and then someone would have to say "there is already a thread about this" and tell him to learn how to use the search function.

[Spider-Gamer]

thats shows how he is better then most here. becuase he could have just made a new one and then someone would have to say "there is already a thread about this" and tell him to learn how to use the search function.
My thoughts exactly! :oldrazz:

[Kaboom]

thats shows how he is better then most here. becuase he could have just made a new one and then someone would have to say "there is already a thread about this" and tell him to learn how to use the search function.

"that someone" is usually me.

and avid, whats wrong with a lil showing off?

[avidreader]

thats shows how he is better then most here. becuase he could have just made a new one and then someone would have to say "there is already a thread about this" and tell him to learn how to use the search function.

And do you know who would be the first one to tell him that? Kaboom! :woot:

and avid, whats wrong with a lil showing off?


Nothing sweetie. You go right ahead.

[The Caped Knight]

so the question is: How entrenched in the mythology is this twelve year absence

In Post-Crisis comics, STAS & Lois & Clark [Clark was on his global travel for 8 years.]

[BaK]

this (thread) might've made it to 12 year absence back in 70's, but 10 months in times like these seems just right..

[BenReilly]

The twelve year absence from STM was another Christian reference from writer, Tom Mankiewicz and Richard Donner.


Here's and interesting list from Superman Cinema that details most of the important religious references from the film:

http://www.supermancinema.co.uk/superman1/general/trivia/index.shtml

RELIGIOUS REFERENCES IN SUPERMAN THE MOVIE

When Tom Mankiewicz was hired to oversee the script he threw out all of the camp elements that Mario Puzo had included in his original draft. It was decided that they would either ignore the second coming similarities or dive head first into them. He took the dive and here are some of them :

1) Jor-El (God) casts out Zod (Satan) from Krypton (Heaven)

2) The speech Jor-El gives as he and Lara say goodbye to Kal-El "...the son becomes the father and the father the so..."

3) The ship that brings Kal-El to Earth is in the form of a star (the star of Bethlehem)

4) Kal-El comes to a couple unable to have children "...how we prayed and prayed the good Lord see fit to give us a child."

5) Just as there is not much known about Jesus during his middle years Clark travels into the wilderness to find out who he really was and what he had to do.

6) "... you must live as one of them but always hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be, they only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, there capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son." Need I say more?

7) Superman starts his work in his thirtieth year - the same age Jesus was when he left Nazareth to preach

There would have been more if Richard Donner could have completed his story of the fall and resurrection and his battle with evil in Superman II.

[Kaboom]

well good thing they are releasing the donner cut of SII

[giggs11uk]

i think this is how the rest of the season is goin down

1. Lionel dies protecting Clark's secret from Lex
2. Lex causes the death or miscarriage of Lana's baby and she breaks off the engadgment
2. Clark rounds up all the Zoners
3. Lana finds out about Clark's secret but Clark has to leave her and complete his training
4. Chloe joins the FBI and is reintroduced in the comics

there wont be a 7th season

[boydston_14]

i think this is how the rest of the season is goin down

1. Lionel dies protecting Clark's secret from Lex
2. Lex causes the death or miscarriage of Lana's baby and she breaks off the engadgment
2. Clark rounds up all the Zoners
3. Lana finds out about Clark's secret but Clark has to leave her and complete his training
4. Chloe joins the FBI and is reintroduced in the comics

there wont be a 7th season

Actually, there will be a 7th season (thankfully:woot: ).
And because of that, I'm betting (and hoping) that season 7 picks up at the end of Clark's training in the FOS and then he goes out around the world and by the end of the season becomes :super:

[NotFadeAway]

The twelve year training session was on of the things I didn't like about the movie and it shouldn't be repeated. I don't mind the world journey, but it's kinda Batman-ish.

Id have it be more of a spiritual journey than anything, Clark deciding what HE wants to do. I still beleive Clark needs to become Superman on his own accord, not Jor-El's or anyone else's. Thats just my personal opinion though!!!

[heliorei]

The twelve year training session was on of the things I didn't like about the movie and it shouldn't be repeated. I don't mind the world journey, but it's kinda Batman-ish.

Actually that concept appear in both characters almost at the same time. During Bryne's revamp in Superman in1986, Clark Kent travelled around the world before he estabilished himself in metropolis.

[ariellem]

The Donner Superman was clearly the most intelligent educated Superman. 12 years in the Fortress learning everything about the universe and of humanity from Jor-el...Holy.

Compare/contrast with an ep in SV season 4: Clark in the Talon; cheerleaders come in & invite him to a hot-tub party; he says he can't because he's studying TRIG. His senior year. Not too good in math, is he?

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Trig? In senior year? Sounds about right to me. o_o Because he's not in something like Calculus his senior year he's some kind of mathematically-deficient lunkhead?

Anyway, a couple things:

Chloe in the comics: NO.

And I don't like the idea of Clark doing the whole 12 year thing. It didn't seem right to me in the movie, and it doesn't seem right to me now.

[Kaboom]

gawsh i love it when my threads get rsurected ..............Yay team!