Gwen vs. MJ

[Spider-X]

With this latest news about Gwen Stacy being in Spider-Man 3 comes an interesting debate: Who should die? Gwen (as the comics depict) or MJ (because many don't like how she's been portrayed by Kirsten and Raimi)

Personally i believe that Gwen has been thrown into SM3 to mix up the emotions in the Peter-MJ relationship and keep things interesting and that ultimately Gwen will parish much like in the comics so that fanboy's thirst for seeing the iconic death of Gwen on the big screen. But some would disagree with me and even want MJ to die instead.

i personally want MJ to end up with Peter in the end. I don't think they protrayed MJ as well in the movies thus far as they have in the 616 universe...but for the sake of similarity to the 616 universe i would want them to ultimately end up married.

but that's me...what do you think people?

[Boom]

It's not loyal to the comics, but seeing how the movies have been set up....R.I.P. MJ.

[Arcturus]

Redhead to Heaven 2007

:confused:

[The Last Meatbag]

Dunst must die :mad:

[Spider-X]

:confused:

you're special :D :up:

[Arcturus]

I also voted both just in case anyones curious.

[Spider-X]

thus my reaction.

[Arcturus]

Just checking.

;)

[MutantCircus]

Roast Em All!

[CConn]

Honestly, if the comics didn't exist, I would be saying goodbye MJ, but that's just too big of a departure for me. Gwen will have to die.

[gliderpilotgirl]

I recall reading somewhere Raimi said something like this movie would be the most different from the comics..so unfortunately I think we may be saying goodbye to MJ.:(

[Spider-Bite]

I think it will be MJ. Dunst doesn't want to return after # 3, and everybody else does. The fans aren't digging her. And I think the studio is kind of angry at her. She spilled the beans in an interview for part 2, and she did it once again for part 3. I think she was purposely trying to make the studio angry. She purposely changed her personality for part 2, to show she could play something other than Mary Jane and avoid typecasting, at the expense of the movie.

Gwen's death wont really mean that much in this movie, so I'm pretty sure they are going to kill MJ.

[Superman \S/]

Mary Jane

[Superman \S/]

Well maybe Gwen......

[user123456789]

Redhead to Heaven 2007

:confused:

amen

[GoldGoblin]

MJ must die.

[Amazing Spidey]

MJ has to go. she has like, 23% enthusiam. :down
Toby has none either. but maybe since a hot girl is gwen stacy, maybe his enthusiasm rate will go up by 99.9% with Raimi lying to him him that there's dirty scenes with him and gwen.

That'll get him all pumped up with a bucha quips for SM3 :up:

[Mrpaul]

Only time will tell

[Justin]

MJ should die. Her character in the movies has been closer to the comic book Gwen Stacy than to MJ. So since in the comic Gwen died, the movie MJ should die. They could have avoided all this had they just put Gwen in the first movie.

Kind of strange blonde Dunst plays the redhead MJ in the movie but its essentially the Gwen character. And now redhead Bryce Dallas Howard plays the blonde Gwen Stacy. Wonder if the Gwen character will be more like the real MJ?

[gdw]

So, a blonde playing MJ, and a red head playing Gwen.










WTF!!!

[White_Howling]

So, a blonde playing MJ, and a red head playing Gwen.










WTF!!!

I agree with you the worlds just messed up

[Justin]

It is sad that to bring the movies closer to the source material you have to kill one of the most important characters from the comic, who is still alive (MJ), and bring in a character that is dead in the source material to essentially take the place of the character you just killed off. I would actually like if the attached a paragraph explaining all this to the audience in front of the movie.
"Sorry that we were so anxious to use the MJ character, for whatever reason, that we messed up the whole story."
I guess i have more of a problem with this than other people do.

[the Firestarter]

i rather see gwen bite it. peter has to marry mj in the end. this is the direction their growing relationship has been heading.

[That 70's Venom]

I hope MJ and Gwen both die and then peter has an interest in aunt may

[the Firestarter]

or felicia hardy.

[ZER0C00L]

kill the Dunst

[lordofthenerds]

Kill MJ.

[darkhold]

im gonna jump on the bandwagon, dunst dies. that was the first thing i thought when i saw the news.

[venomous]

^My thoughts exactly. See ya MJ! Na Na Na Na...Na Na Na Na...Hey Hey Hey..Goodbye!

[craigaat]

I voted Mary Jane. Not because I want her to, but because I think they've introduced Gwen so that Kirsten Dunst doesn't have to do any more movies after this one.

[mjbull23]

Cya MJ.

[Immortalfire]

Harry will already be unstable as Goblin. For whatever reason, he'll kill Gwen which will ultimately snap his mind.."Oh no..I killed someone". Because his persona just isn't one of evil. Then he's captured by Spidey. Or something like that..

[SLYspyder]

you bunch of treacherous bastards. MJ will NOT win the poll!

[Frenzy]

Harry = Green Goblin 2
Gwen Stacey = New love interest
Spidey tries to choose (again)...
Mary Jane Watson = R.I.P.

What bridge, oh sh...:(

[Pagrebo]

Dunst must die, but not MJ. Send MJ to Hollyweird, and bring her back in a later installment, with a different actress.

[Spider-Bite]

It doesn't have to be a bridge. She could die some other way you know. I think Spider-Man will be forced to watch helplessly, unable to help. This death better make people cry.

[Frenzy]

I know it could be anything I just think if one scene was ever repeated in a Spidey movie it should be the "Now choose Hero" bridge scene with GG2 and MJ and Gwen. What will he do. He went for both last time (MJ and the cable car) and saved both. Will his skill be enough this time?

I think whoever dies it will be from his actions trying to save them NOT from him being unable to help. That's far more tragic and true to the comics.:)

[Webhead38]

Most people don't remember or were not born yet to know that in the early 70's when Gwen was killed, there emerged two camps of opinion. Most were outraged at Gwen being killed because she had endeared herself to so many readers and fo rsome they wished MJ had been the one sacrificed. Ultimately she was killed off because writer Gerry Conway considered MJ to be more dynamic and didn't think the Gwen Stacy character held much promise for future development. Thus began the debate concerning MJ and Gwen that, thanks to Sam Raimi, has been essentially raised from the dead in present times.
Honestly, I completely believe MJ will be killed off. Why not? In many ways Raimi has given her the Gwen Stacy treatment and it seems likely that Harry would gravitate to her to seek out his ultimate revenge not only on Spidey but also Peter. Remember, he believes Spiderman killed his father and Peter essentially took MJ away from him. Now that he knows Peter and Spiderman are the same wouldn't he seek her death to satisfy that rage and do it as the Green Goblin in tribute to his dad?
From a business standpoint it makes sense too, because the studio can bring in a new female lead of major interest but pay her on a different salary from Dunst. Plus it satisfys all of us old readers who always wanted to see Peter live happily ever-after with Gwen. I think it's brilliant move on Raimi's part. I love the series so far and can't wait to see what surprises Raimi holds for three. Another instant classic in the making!!!:spidey:

[Spider-X]

this is very very interesting...thanks for that Webhead38, i never thought about the outrage from the 70's...

this makes this situation even more possible.

i still hope Gwen dies though :(

but i would love to see a new actress play MJ...there are so many better choices out there...

also, with bringing Gwen into the picture, Sam might, somehow, make MJ's character more dynamic and true to comic form through conflict and competition...

i'm just worried about how it will effect the actual comics if MJ dies in the movies...i'm sure they'll end up killing her in the comics too (remember, spidey has organics in the comics and doc ock has red lights in the claws of his tenticles now) and i wouldn't be happy about that at all... and who knows what they'll do to Gwen's character in the comics after that :eek:

we'll just have to wait and see...

[Webhead38]

I think it's safe to say movies and comics run along two different lines of reality... and thankfully so. Personally I collected comics heavily from 1970 until about '84. Marvel started tinkering with all their heroes which ultimately tanked my devotion for the hobby. The new gimmick became less story and more make-overs (it appears their doing that yet again with Spidey). I've always found it interesting that Marvel has yet to learn the importance of continuity after screwing up that formula back in the 80's. How many times have they killed Aunt May? How many outfits has Spidey changed into before going back to the original? And let's not even get started on the clone stories!!! That essentially destroyed twenty years of carefully scripted character development. Through the years I always pick up a few issues here and there if a story looked good, but ultimately it was short-lived. Marvel writers are constantly changing the characters and their origins. So much so that there really is nothing left to follow. The biggest injustice was tampering with the Gwen Stacy story and bringing Norman Osbourn back to life. What a terrible idea that was and even a worse explanation when put to paper. Awful, unoriginal, and completely amatuerish. Is it really any surprise that these $200 million movies borrow heavily from scripts in the 70's? What are writers doing today? Another Spidey makeover...oh brother.

[Abaddon]

I'd rather neither die,but Dunst biting it is a tempting choice.

[Robin91939]

Why would any of you want MJ to die? She just CAN'T die. EVEN MORESO when the other choice is Stacey who DID die....and her only purpous IS to die.

-R

[Robin91939]

:: Double Post ::

-R

[Abaddon]

Why would any of you want MJ to die? She just CAN'T die. EVEN MORESO when the other choice is Stacey who DID die....and her only purpous IS to die.

-R


Gwens purpose was not to die.She spent years as Peters main squeeze and the love of his life.Thats why her death meant something.Gwen doesnt serve that purpose in the movies,so what would be the point in killing her?Just because she dies in the comics?Its ridiculous.

[Eros]

abaddon then i guess with your rational, venom should be spidermans long
lost borther. Or Peter parker should be a world famous celebrity. Somebody has to die and it ain't gonna be M.J. especially since Raimin invested 2 movies into her and she is more dynamic [ or can be] then gwen stacy. whos been dead before most of us were born. if M.J. died moveverse peter might just quit being spiderman again.

[Abaddon]

abaddon then i guess with your rational, venom should be spidermans long
lost borther. Or Peter parker should be a world famous celebrity. Somebody has to die and it ain't gonna be M.J. especially since Raimin invested 2 movies into her and she is more dynamic [ or can be] then gwen stacy. whos been dead before most of us were born. if M.J. died moveverse peter might just quit being spiderman again.


How do those comparisons in any way relate to my point?:confused:

[Eros]

you point abbadon was that just cause its a certian way in the comics it should not be in the movies,right? well superhero movies can and should change certain things, but gwen stacy dieing is to big of a history to change. i dun need an emotional attachment to feel sad when somebody dies, its human nature. Im sure gwens life and demise would fit nicely in this movie [if anyone here remebers her comic book life ].

[The Hurricane]

Gwen has to die but it would make it more interesting if M.J did. that way it isnt so easy for us to predict what is going to happen in these movies. I voted for aunt may :D

[hulkamania85]

Voted MJ. Dunst isn't all that great, and i wouldn't mind seeing Gwen as the new love interest.

[Immortalfire]

So the only logic i'm seeing here is "kill MJ because I don't like Dunst".

Brilliant :rolleyes:

[radren]

MJ must die, so that I can sing "Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead"

[Chase]

Most people don't remember or were not born yet to know that in the early 70's when Gwen was killed, there emerged two camps of opinion. Most were outraged at Gwen being killed because she had endeared herself to so many readers and fo rsome they wished MJ had been the one sacrificed. Ultimately she was killed off because writer Gerry Conway considered MJ to be more dynamic and didn't think the Gwen Stacy character held much promise for future development. Thus began the debate concerning MJ and Gwen that, thanks to Sam Raimi, has been essentially raised from the dead in present times.
Honestly, I completely believe MJ will be killed off. Why not? In many ways Raimi has given her the Gwen Stacy treatment and it seems likely that Harry would gravitate to her to seek out his ultimate revenge not only on Spidey but also Peter. Remember, he believes Spiderman killed his father and Peter essentially took MJ away from him. Now that he knows Peter and Spiderman are the same wouldn't he seek her death to satisfy that rage and do it as the Green Goblin in tribute to his dad?
From a business standpoint it makes sense too, because the studio can bring in a new female lead of major interest but pay her on a different salary from Dunst. Plus it satisfys all of us old readers who always wanted to see Peter live happily ever-after with Gwen. I think it's brilliant move on Raimi's part. I love the series so far and can't wait to see what surprises Raimi holds for three. Another instant classic in the making!!!:spidey:

Exactly, well put my friend.

In the movies Gwen is MJ, and Gwen (casting wise - outside of the movies) seems to be a good way of continuing a romantic and important theme while at the same time solving the problem of having no Dunst in Sm4, while potentially keeping Mcguire and Raimi (and maybe Franco, depending on his character arc in 3)

People seem to be up in arms that Mj is dying and not Gwen, but swap the names and Raimi if that is the plan, is going to bring about a complete franchise comic parallel that I personally can't wait for.

Imagine Harry as the improved and fan pleasing green goblin, bringing round a narrative and character arc at the bridge from sm1.

Wait for that neck to snap and Sm3 to exceed all expectations.

The announcement of Gwen to me was better than the villain casting, as now we have a good idea of the character side of the picture, where as we are all expecting action wise the film to be (at the worst) Sm2 standard.



I hope so anyway.

[Doctor Octopus]

Yes now we're going to have GweMJ and Gwen.That'll be fun :)

[Chase]

It will If that neck snaps.

I don't think I've never wanted anything more cinematically.

[Justin]

Personally I like Dunst and think she has done her job well enough so far. I still think MJ should die. Her character is more like the Gwen character then it is like the MJ character. It doesnt matter that Peter ends up with a character named MJ in the comic, in the movie the character with that name has been presented like the comic's Gwen character.

To bring the movie more in line with the source material, the best thing to do would be to kill the "Movie MJ" and introduce the "Movie Gwen", who could be more like the real MJ. If you want to say that the movie doesnt have to be brought more in-line with the comic, then why worry that Peter doesnt end up with "Movie MJ." Its more important to the Peter/Spiderman character that his first love is killed, and that she dies with him being unable to save her than it is that he end up marrying a character named MJ.

The death of the Gwen character in the comic was the most important event in the character development of Peter/Spiderman. Killing the new Gwen character, even if there is a build-up of a couple sequels, still wont have the same effect as killing "Movie MJ" would. Killing "Movie MJ" will "feel" more like the comic story. If you end up killing "Movie Gwen" it will feel rushed or forced.

[the Firestarter]

i don't know if i like that scenario. i like happy endings & would like peter to wind up happily ever after with mj.

[Justin]

i don't know if i like that scenario. i like happy endings & would like peter to wind up happily ever after with mj.

Do you want them to both live? I dont think that would work. It is the MOST important event in the development of the Spiderman/Peter character. Leaving them both alive would be like a movie based on Custer's Last Stand and letting Colonel Custer live through the battle.

If you mean letting "Movie Gwen" die, I dont know why the ending wouldn't be just as happy with "Movie Gwen" marrying Peter and "Movie MJ" dying.

[TheVileOne]

Its hilarious. You FOOLS constantly bash Raimi for being unfaithful to the comics. You can't be more unfaithful to the comics than killing Mary Jane, but you all want it to happen.

You hypocrits make me sick.

[TheSlag]

Its hilarious. You FOOLS constantly bash Raimi for being unfaithful to the comics. You can't be more unfaithful to the comics than killing Mary Jane, but you all want it to happen.

You hypocrits make me sick.

And "Literalists" make me sick. :rolleyes:

Killing MJ, Peter's Love of His Life, WOULD BE being faithful to the comics. :rolleyes:

We want faithfulness to the comics, not a word for word retelling. Faithfulness to the characters, and to the stories.

[stillanerd]

Its hilarious. You FOOLS constantly bash Raimi for being unfaithful to the comics. You can't be more unfaithful to the comics than killing Mary Jane, but you all want it to happen.

You hypocrits make me sick.

Right on. :up:

Besides, has it occured to anybody that maybe the reason why they'll have a "Spider-Man 4" is because "Spider-Man 3's" story was so big that the filmmakers decided to spilt the movie into two parts, kind of like what happened with the sequels to Back to the Future and The Matrix? That way, Maguire, Dunst, and Franco still make their three film committment, only the third film is divided into parts and one is shown in 2007, followed by the sequel in 2008 or later that same year.

EDIT: for me its not about literalism, its about appealing to the movie going public. Fans of the movie will be really turned off if the MJ character dies after Peter has been saving her life and trying to win her over all this time. Heck, the Spider-Man films main story has been "about a girl" and if she dies, that's the end of the story. There's no need to make anymore films after that. Besides, if Spider-Man 3 and 4 are being filmed simultaneously, then I imagine 3 will end on a cliffhanger, making fans wonder whether MJ really is dead or not before the next one is released.

[TheVileOne]

And "Literalists" make me sick. :rolleyes:

Killing MJ, Peter's Love of His Life, WOULD BE being faithful to the comics. :rolleyes:


It simply doesn't work to kill Mary Jane after the last 2 movies.

Killing Gwen would've been faithful to the comics, but they didn't go down that route. Killing MJ wouldn't.


We want faithfulness to the comics, not a word for word retelling. Faithfulness to the characters, and to the stories.

Yup and killing MJ is not faithfulness to the character since it NEVER HAPPENED! BLEH :p

[Justin]

Its hilarious. You FOOLS constantly bash Raimi for being unfaithful to the comics. You can't be more unfaithful to the comics than killing Mary Jane, but you all want it to happen.

You hypocrits make me sick.

I would like it if the "Movie MJ" character was named Gwen. That would fix the whole thing. Currently it is MORE FAITHFUL to the source material to kill "Movie MJ", than it is to introduce a new character named Gwen and kill her. How would killing Gwen bring the "Movie MJ" character and Peter closer together and be the begining of their romantic involvement with each other? The easiest fix to the situation is to kill "Movie MJ".

It would also solve the problem of Dunst wanting to leave. Either that or she will end up holding one of the sequel hostage for more money, not that she would actually want the money she just wouldnt want to go on with the series. So you end up with an earliy end to the Spiderman series or a recast MJ.

"Movie MJ" is Gwen, or at least closer to Gwen than MJ, and "Movie Gwen" could very well be closer to MJ. "What is in a name?" and all that...

[TheSlag]

Right on. :up:

EDIT: for me its not about literalism, its about appealing to the movie going public. Fans of the movie will be really turned off if the MJ character dies after Peter has been saving her life and trying to win her over all this time. Heck, the Spider-Man films main story has been "about a girl" and if she dies, that's the end of the story. There's no need to make anymore films after that. Besides, if Spider-Man 3 and 4 are being filmed simultaneously, then I imagine 3 will end on a cliffhanger, making fans wonder whether MJ really is dead or not before the next one is released.

Funny, but expressing "Right On"... and giving a thumbs-up :up: invalidates your "for me it's not about literalism". Nice try though.

[TheSlag]

It simply doesn't work to kill Mary Jane after the last 2 movies.

Killing Gwen would've been faithful to the comics, but they didn't go down that route. Killing MJ wouldn't.

Says who????.... oh yeah... you, Mr. Literalist. :rolleyes:



Yup and killing MJ is not faithfulness to the character since it NEVER HAPPENED! BLEH :p

A literalist, stubborn, and ignorant too. The Trifecta.

[TheSlag]

"What is in a name?" and all that...

Obviously... Everything to the literalist crowd. ;)

[Justin]

Fans of the movie will be really turned off if the MJ character dies after Peter has been saving her life and trying to win her over all this time.

I dont think they will be as turned off as when MJ is recast. And everyone didnt stop reading the comic when Gwen died. It is very important to the character, and i think that alot of people have alot more loyalty to the Name "MJ" than to the development of the characters.

[Spider-Bite]

Personally I like Dunst and think she has done her job well enough so far. I still think MJ should die. Her character is more like the Gwen character then it is like the MJ character. It doesnt matter that Peter ends up with a character named MJ in the comic, in the movie the character with that name has been presented like the comic's Gwen character.

To bring the movie more in line with the source material, the best thing to do would be to kill the "Movie MJ" and introduce the "Movie Gwen", who could be more like the real MJ. If you want to say that the movie doesnt have to be brought more in-line with the comic, then why worry that Peter doesnt end up with "Movie MJ." Its more important to the Peter/Spiderman character that his first love is killed, and that she dies with him being unable to save her than it is that he end up marrying a character named MJ.

The death of the Gwen character in the comic was the most important event in the character development of Peter/Spiderman. Killing the new Gwen character, even if there is a build-up of a couple sequels, still wont have the same effect as killing "Movie MJ" would. Killing "Movie MJ" will "feel" more like the comic story. If you end up killing "Movie Gwen" it will feel rushed or forced.

One of the things I always wondered about is the neck snapping. By this time, isn't spidey kind of experienced at webbing falling people? He should know how to do it without the person's neck snapping. NOt to mention, it's not a rope that comes to the end of it's line and jerks like that. It's a stretchy webline, with a rubber band effect. It should stretch like a bungee cord, and when it pulls back, it's not a sudden "snap!" like an ordinary rope would. For example in the fith with Ock when Ock throws those big pieces of the clock at spider-Man and he catches one with his web, notice the way the web pulls back when it hits the end of it's length. It's not a sudden jerk. It's pulls back in a springy kind of way, exactly how a bungee cord works, which doesn't snap your neck.

When it hits the end of it's length, it slows to a stop(not a sudden stop) and then as it shrinks back to size, it comes back slowly at first, and then faster.

[TheSlag]

I dont think they will be as turned off as a recast MJ. And everyone didnt stop reading the comic when Gwen died. It is very important to the character, and i think that alot of people have alot more loyalty to the Name "MJ" than to the development of the characters.

Exactly. :up:

[Justin]

One of the things I always wondered about is the neck snapping. By this time, isn't spidey kind of experienced at webbing falling people?

Spiderman about as experienced in the comic, if not more, than he is by this point in the movies. He became Spiderman at 15 and Gwen died when he was in college, and it had to be in his Sophomore year at the earliest because she had gone to Europe for a year. The comic covered alot of time by issue 121. Peter had been Spiderman for several years.

Also there is the whole, "Was it the fall or the sudden stop?" debate.

[TheVileOne]

Says who????.... oh yeah... you, Mr. Literalist. :rolleyes:





A literalist, stubborn, and ignorant too. The Trifecta.
You obviously have me confused with people such as Doc Ock, Herr Logan, Spider-Jide, Zanos, and numerous others :p .

[Spider-Bite]

Spiderman about as experienced in the comic, if not more, than he is by this point in the movies. He became Spiderman at 15 and Gwen died when he was in college, and it had to be in his Sophomore year at the earliest because she had gone to Europe for a year. The comic covered alot of time by issue 121. Peter had been Spiderman for several years.

Also there is the whole, "Was it the fall or the sudden stop?" debate.

oh yeah. I never actually read that issue. Not even a reprint, just several flashbacks, and it's kind of hard to be a spidey fan without knowing about it. I forgot they never knew if it was the fall or not. Because the web would never bring a sudden stop, it would be a gradual soft stop, befor eyour sprung the other way. I also can't help but think why not save her the way he saved Aunt May when she was falling?

[Justin]

For some reason i think it has more of an emotional impact if you dont really know if it was the fall or the sudden stop. How close was he exactly to saving her if it was the fall, if it was the sudden stop then couldnt he have done something to stop that.

I think the whole movie setup could actually help the scene. You expect Gwen to die but never MJ. Even if it was Gwen in the begining you wouldnt get to attached to her character, because you know she is going to eventually die. Even people who didnt read the comic would have found out by now from interviews and preview articles.

People may get upset by MJ's death. Maybe that is why they are really filming them back to back, if they really are, it would be hard for the studio to change MJ's death if they already spent millions on shooting a follow-up to the movie. I think i remember reading that Raimi originally request to film 3&4 at once.

[Spider-Bite]

I think the movies will be what you would call semi-back to back. I believe that if they already picked the villains, a large hunk of the pre-production for 4 would be done already. If Sam already knows the story he wants to tell, the script for it could be being written right now. That way when he's done filming #3 6 months from now, one year before it's release, he could then take 6 months with storyboards, and set building. They could easily begin filming #4 3 months before #3 is even released. But I still think they would release #4 two years after 3 is released.

[Justin]

I also can't help but think why not save her the way he saved Aunt May when she was falling?

Also, he had the flu i believe. He was reacting badly to an illness (cold? flu? i dont remember) So his reaction time was off, he was not fighting at full strength. It could be that normally he could have webbed her at that distance and not snapped her neck. Maybe he accidentally did something wrong while webbing her, they never made it very clear. The fact that you dont really know exactly what went wrong, and neither does Peter, makes it all the more powerful of a scene.

Now that ive been thinking about it, it really was one of the better written and well thought out death sequences in comic history. Whether it is MJ or Gwen, I can't wait to see the scene on film, and hear the reaction of the general public. Hope they dont screw this up.

[Spider-Bite]

Well it definitely added a lot to the comic book.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

I always hated Dunst's potrayal of MJ... so RIP Kirsten "Not MJ Material" Dunst :o

[The Hurricane]

They cant kill Dunst. Maybe Gwen will be Harrys love interest and he will think Spidey killed her or soemthing

[Spider-Bite]

I'm pretty confident they will kill Dunst. Or MJ and Pete will break up. And in part 4 or 5 Gwen will die. And in part 5 or 6 MJ will come back.

[Daisy]

To truly play out the ASM121 scenario, it would have to MJ that dies (which is what I hope), but I don't think that's what's going to happen.

I suspect Gwen is being introduced to "tempt" Peter (who knows, she may even start as the girlfriend of Harry like MJ did in ASM... that would be yet another thing for Harry to hate Pete over), but in the end Peter choses MJ... and then... Gwen conveniently dies at the hands of Harry in half-hearted nod to ASM121. :down

[Frenzy]

Could be Daisy, it could be.:)

[Fan of Tomorrow]

I actually think the film would be better served if MJ were to be the one to die. Fans only of the movies are attatched to the character now; to kill off Gwen after only just being introduced wouldn't be much of an impact at all I suspect. Kind of like a nameless ensign in an episode of Star Trek. You know they're only highlighted at the start of the episode so they can be killed off later.

From a personal standpoint, I also say kill off MJ. I hated Kirsten for the role, and her performance of the character, compounded with how she's been written, has done absolutely nothing for me. With Gwen, we have a clean slate to work with, and as many have pointed out, you could easily write her closer to the MJ of 616 than movie MJ has been written. I would swallow that. Though, I'm not really a die-hard Spider-Man fan.

And that leads me to my last point: I think it will ultimately be Gwen that bites it, because I can only imagine the outcry from fans at such a "What If" type scenario should it be the other way around. Raimi's made a lot of changes, but one so sweeping... I just can't imagine it actually happening.

[Toren]

Now that ive been thinking about it, it really was one of the better written and well thought out death sequences in comic history. Whether it is MJ or Gwen, I can't wait to see the scene on film, and hear the reaction of the general public. Hope they dont screw this up.
Agreed. :up:

BTW, it's really disconcerting seeing you post. Seeing as my name is Justin it just throws my head for a spin everytime I see a post from you. :D

[Spider-X]

bumptacular

[DOG LIPS]

To truly play out the ASM121 scenario, it would have to MJ that dies (which is what I hope), but I don't think that's what's going to happen.

I hope so too. :(

Gwen is hotter than MJ and needs to survive for later movies, should they be made. Kill off MJ since Dunst hasn't signed for anymore after 3. :mad:

[xwolverine2]

awe i was hoping this thread was actually about MJ VS. gwen...:(

kirsten looks pretty vicious....

[Spider-X]

i just hope they replace MJ with a different actress...i really don't want the character to die since i find MJ's character attractive...from the comics at anyways.

Maybe with Gwen coming into this movie we will get more of a true to form MJ than this GweMJ we've been getting.

[Cinemaman]

I dont want either to die.

MJ should end-up with Pete, because she is only girlfriend for his life time.

Gwen will be Pete 'Symbiote's girlfriend, real Pete like her, but doesnt love her.

Better will be, if Gwen leaves Pete and MJ alone.

[CrashNburn]

I Think They Should Get Rid Of Gwen For Dramatic Effect. Peter Should Be With Mj Always,as Much As I Didnt Like Kirsten's Portrayal,so They Shouldnt Mess With That.

[3dman27]

both should survive

[lordofthenerds]

MJ should be a scarifice to Sandman and Venom IMHO. :venom:

[Captivated]

Unbelievable... this board keeps breaking it's own record for high ignorance & low maturity. :mad:

The source material -- the COMICS -- should drive who lives or dies.

Gwen has been dead for more than 30 years, Peter has been married to MJ for nearly 20 and Aunt May is still a major supporting character. So, there you go.

[U.S War Machine]

or felicia hardy.I wonder why she's not appearing in the film.

[RMThompson]

What is the fan obsession with KILLING off characters?

So very lame.

[3dman27]

in this case i think it refers to the fact that gwen stacy was killed by the green goblin[and possibly by spider-man's hororably meant attempt to RESCUE her]

[FaT_tONle]

MJ should've died in the first flic... but then the franchise would have been ruined... I think it's fine the way it is... I'd still like to see Gwen go and sacrifice herself or something but it would be too depressing... let both of em live... MJ dying just wouldn't appeal to the general audience at this point...

[WhiteRat]

Mary Jane needs to die.I hated it when they got Peter married to that whore.:mad:

[CrypticOne]

I'm saying Gwen.

[Bat Attack]

MJ, I want to see some more of Gwens hot ass.

[DOG LIPS]

MJ, I want to see some more of Gwens hot ass.
I don't think I've ever agreed with a post so much on the Hype before. :o

[pam_cris]

MJ should've died in the first flic... but then the franchise would have been ruined... I think it's fine the way it is... I'd still like to see Gwen go and sacrifice herself or something but it would be too depressing... let both of em live... MJ dying just wouldn't appeal to the general audience at this point...

i agree, they should keep both of them alife.

[Bat Attack]

I don't think I've ever agreed with a post so much on the Hype before. :o
Haha! :up: :)

[Super Flight]

no ones dies damnit, we need a happy ending where Gwen and MJ make out with me at the end...

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Why the **** does people keep begging for MJ to get whacked in this movie? Is it just because of Dunst, movie 1 where Gwen should've been in the movie and killed, or is it simply because you don't think Dunst is hot? :confused: :mad: Pisses me off I tell ya...

[Spider-X]

no ones dies damnit, we need a happy ending where Gwen and MJ make out with me at the end...

i'd want my money back :mad:

[J. J. Jameson]

Maybe it will be like house of m, sorta.


Pete will be married to Gwen in the end and MJ is either dead or on the streets.

[Katsuro]

Gwen should die, and MJ should break up with Peter and leave town or something. Then Peter gets it on with Betty Brant!

[ges681]

Why the **** does people keep begging for MJ to get whacked in this movie? Is it just because of Dunst, movie 1 where Gwen should've been in the movie and killed, or is it simply because you don't think Dunst is hot? :confused: :mad: Pisses me off I tell ya...

i think she is hot but still hope her character dies.
id want her character killed just because she doesnt want to be in the SM franchise anymore. this way her character is written off for good and she cant be replaced by anyone else.

dont want some ho not wanting to do the movie anymore keep toby, sam, and the rest of the cast from continuing the franchise.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

i think she is hot but still hope her character dies.
id want her character killed just because she doesnt want to be in the SM franchise anymore. this way her character is written off for good and she cant be replaced by anyone else.

dont want some ho not wanting to do the movie anymore keep toby, sam, and the rest of the cast from continuing the franchise.

That's dumb. If she doesn't want to be in anymore Spider-Man films than recast her. Don't kill off an iconic character just because of that main reason alone. I mean if they recast Batman all the time, than they can for MJ.

[MichaelDigital]

I guess they could recast. It just wouldn't feel "right" though for me. I suppose I'd get used to a new MJ though.

[CoreyIAN]

killing mj is like killing lois lane.

it's stupid,retarded and doesn't make sense at all.

[FaT_tONle]

None of these girls are dying so I am wondering why this thread is still opened... Harry killing her is just stupid cause he never was a killer... Gwen should die as collateral damage or some *****... a casualty of war... it won't mean anything but it will stil hurt Peter... I could care less that both of em live... right now the only 100% death is Harry... God knows how AUnt May will die... Cpt. Stacy should die but it doesn't seem to be the case...

[ScrnNmsSuck]

I mean if they recast Batman all the time, than they can for MJ.

& we all know how re casting Batman for almost each movie turned out

[FaT_tONle]

& we all know how re casting Batman for almost each movie turned out

Batman ****ed for reasons other than recasting as well... just get another MJ... it won't be all that bad... Tobey is probably gone so replace him as well... I wouldn't mind if they brought in a new cast as long as they kept Simmons and Baker to reprise their roles in an immediate sequel... the thing is... no wants an immediate sequel with new actors so just stop asking for it and don't let this franchise be another potetial Shumacher Batman... be patient and wait for the reboot in a decade or so...

[lordofthenerds]

& we all know how re casting Batman for almost each movie turned out
That was ****ed up. :down

[kevinpenni]

killing mj is like killing lois lane.

it's stupid,retarded and doesn't make sense at all.

exactly, gwen will bite the dust before mj.