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Kevin Roegele
01-21-2006, 05:02 PM
Just found an article I wrote for Hype! back in 2000(!) - on another site! They stole it! Anyway....

September 30, 2000

What If...James Cameron Made Spider-Man In 1992? by Kevin Roegele Spider-Man Hype

Unless you’re insane, you’ll know James Cameron never made his Spider-Man movie. But it would be great somehow we could see what it would have turned out like - and you can piece together a damn good idea from his other work. So, I've sat and watched every film the beard has made (except Piranha II) to create a mock magazine review of Cameron’s Spidey film, as I imagine it would have turned out back in 1992, if his original attempts to make it were successful. Electro and the Sandman don't feature as I believe Cameron would have found them too expensive to achieve in 1992. Anyway...

SPIDER-MAN

1992, 20th Century Fox, Director: James Cameron

Starring: Arnold Schwarzenegger (Otto Octavius/Doctor Octopus), Edward Furlong (Peter Parker/Spider-Man), Drew Barrymore, Jonathan Frakes, Angela Landsbury, Robert Wagner, Pat Hingle, Danny Glover. 121 mins. Cert. PG-13

Many of today’s foremost directors have been influenced by comicbooks, including Sam Raimi (who himself would have been an interesting choice to direct) and Tim Burton (who’s Batman sequel is Spider-Man’s main box-office opponent). James Cameron loves comics as well. Terminator 2 (1991) is one of the best comicbook inspired movies ever; two superpowered beings clashing with each other, and causing vandalism on a mass scale during their city-wide brawls - as comicbook as you can get. The T-1000 is a supervillain if ever there was one. Okay, the Term flicks were based on an old episode of the Outer Limits, but apart from that and the guns, this is Marvel comics for adults.

Spider-Man, which really is a Marvel comic (and a 30 year old one at that), is his latest big-budget extravaganza. Focusing on angst-ridden 17 year old Peter Parker (Edward Furlong), it sees him gain the powers of a spider, enabling him to scale walls, lift up cars and "kick some serious ass". Calling himself Spider-Man, he also discovers the ability to sense danger and constructs a red and blue costume and ‘web-shooters’, which fire strands of spider-silk for him to swing through the city on. Coming up against the evil Doctor Octopus (Arnold Schwarzenegger), Spidey must protect the city whilst trying keeping his secret from his unsuspecting Aunt May (Angela Landsbury) avoiding the school bullies, and romancing class babe Mary Jane (Drew Barrymore).

Edward Furlong, who Cameron cast as John Connor in T2, plays a very similar role here, as Peter Parker: An unhappy kid with a messed up life who is suddenly put into an extraordinary situation. Cameron loves his rebellious, long-haired, slightly whiny kids as they are basically his teenage wish fulfillment figures, and Peter Parker is the same. Fans have complained that this is an incorrect portrayal of their hero, who certainly doesn’t make the savage threats to criminals he does here, but it’s an engaging portrayal nonetheless. Shifting from upset to upbeat and back throughout the film, Furlong does well as schoolkid-turned-superhero who has to handle the staggering changes in his life. As a puberty allegory, which Spider-Man undoubtedly is, Furlong’s performance is extremely well-judged.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, in his third collaboration with Cameron (they are planning a fourth, a James Bond pastiche), plays the bad guy again. This time, he’s introverted, nerdy scientist Otto Octavius, who gets four long mechanical arms attached to him and becomes supervillain Doctor Octopus. Although, aided by some superb special effects, Arnie is physically menacing, that’s about all he can bring to the picture. His limited acting range, not aided by a script which paints him as evil as they come, makes him a very unconvincing scientist. Pre-accident, his fellow scientists mock him to his face, but who would mock the Terminator? And why wouldn’t he simply hit them? Still, the name of the world’s biggest movie star on the posters is wise thinking for a film with no other real huge stars.

ET (1982) actress Drew Barrymore plays redhead Mary Jane Watson, or MJ as she’s known. Going against the typical damsel in distress route of so many superhero’s girlfriends, MJ is a tough, spirited, feisty girl who helps Spidey in his fights and punches a school bully who is picking on Peter. The fact that she’s also very feminine and a wannabe-supermodel makes this doubly unusual. Barrymore is obviously enjoying herself and enlivens her scenes, while impressing in the emotional stakes. She has a very bright career ahead of her. The other notables amongst the cast include Star Trek: The Next Generation's William Frakes as savage gangland thug Kraven the Hunter, who decides Spider-Man will be "the greatest hunt of all." Frakes shakes off his upright image by being downright vicious and disturbing, and throwing knives at people. Murder She Wrote stalwart Angela Landsbury provides solid support as Peter's beloved Aunt May. The rest of the cast are adequate, including a cameo from Danny Glover, but the plot really centers on the three central individuals: hero, villain, love interest.

Taking place in a big, bustling New York (with skyscrapers that figure largely throughout) rather than a gothic neverwhere, Spider-Man is a more realistic than Batman (1989) from the word go. Cameron doesn’t want you to look at the sets or locations, he wants you to look at the actors. And although this is fantasy, it’s grounded in reality. Spidey is powerful but no Superman, bleeding when he is hit and swearing when he is angry. One particular line: "*****ing hell, MJ, what if Aunt May came in?" has infuriated purists. But it’s what a 17 year old boy would say given the situation (and many 17 year olds would love to be given the situation). And his powers don’t make his life any easier - they make it far more complicated, with a series of events ranging from simply painful to tragic enforcing the point that, as newspaper editor JJJ (Robert Wagner) says, "Life don’t get easier, pal." Anyone expecting a cheerful piece of escapist adventure will be disappointed.

Cameron handles the action with breathtaking skill, proving he is without a doubt the greatest helmer of action sequences alive today. He manages to up the ante of T2 and Aliens (1986) with a series of frenetic, thrilling confrontations between Spidey and Doctor Octopus that will leave audiences breathless and stunned. The frenetic, 20 minute climax, which sees Spidey, MJ and her little brother chased by Doctor Octopus through a sinking ship, is relentlessly adrenaline-pumping. The two powers of the hero and villain allow for far more inventive violence than your standard shootout. Spidey is inhumanly agile, an acrobatic showman who will backflip between two skyscrapers to avoid a hail of gunfire, while Doctor Octopus walks over the terrified traffic like a giant Daddy Long Legs. Doc Ock can also wrap his arms around himself as a shield against police fire.

The action comes in both quality and quantity; there is a lot of it. Doc Ock pulls a helicopter into building. Spider-Man, when faced with a car with a bomb inside it somewhere, just picks up the whole thing and hurls it into the harbor. The duo stage an incredible fight whilst Spidey abseils, and Doc Ock climbs, down the Statue of Liberty. Parents have complained about the violence in large numbers. "This is very violent and nothing like the cartoons," one unhappy mother told me. Fans hit back saying that it’s exactly the same stuff that the comics depict, perhaps forgetting than what you can do in a comic you can’t necessarily do in the far more realistic medium of film. Certainly, those with a firm view on film censorship will have much to debate, especially a scene in which Doctor Octopus drops a car on someone. There is also a completely gratituitous sequence with Barrymore topless.

No-one will be complaining about the special effects, however. While the blue screen and model work is expertly applied, the pioneering work done on T2 means a computer generated Spider-Man who can do the things that even this film's expert stuntmen can’t manage. Whether climbing up vertical walls or swinging through the city on his weblines, it’s very hard to tell the real Spider-Man and the CGI Spider-Man apart. Truly a step-forward in special effects technology, with many believing the visual effects Oscar is already in the bag.

Up against Batman Returns this summer, Spider-Man will bring in a younger audience than Tim Burton’s reportedly even darker sequel. Although not suitable for under 10’s, Spider-Man is spectacular, unforgettable entertainment that promises viewers fantastic visuals they’ve never seen before. Another Cameron action classic, an intelligent superhero movie, and a must to see this summer. Whether comic fans will be so delighted is another question, however.

Saph
02-01-2006, 12:22 PM
I so wish this movie was made. :(

gliderpilotgirl
02-03-2006, 01:21 AM
Commander Riker as Kraven the Hunter??!! Bahahahaha :D

Bat Attack
02-07-2006, 01:36 PM
Sounds like it would have been cool.

boywonder13
02-07-2006, 01:39 PM
I have a spiderman script on my computer dated 1985!!!

spdrknight
02-08-2006, 11:20 PM
Did this script ever make it online? I have never seen it, sounds cool though.

cryptic name
02-13-2006, 11:00 PM
didn't cameron's treatment involve sandman and an elctro rip off?

spdrknight
02-13-2006, 11:49 PM
Is that is? I don't remember Mj being it. Or a urban Kraven. I could be wrong, but it sounds like a good read if it is out there.

batman strikes
03-07-2006, 11:45 AM
I thought Leonardo Dicaprio was going to be Peter Parker Spider-Man not Edward Furlong, Cameron also wanted Nikki Cox for Mary Jane Watson. Also Boyd/Sandman and Carlton Strand/Electro were the villians even though they were'nt the true characters from the comics.

WOLVERINE25TH
03-07-2006, 12:27 PM
Celine Dion would make th' theme.

batman strikes
03-07-2006, 10:31 PM
Did Cameron say if he was going to use the traditional spidey costume or if the he was changing the design?

Abaddon
04-03-2006, 12:02 PM
Cameron also wanted Nikki Cox for Mary Jane Watson.

I've always thought Nikki Cox would make a good MJ.Too old now though.

Spider-Bite
04-03-2006, 05:54 PM
that movie would have been awful. An angry searing peter? Arnold as Dock Ock? what the hell?

Thank Sony for Raimi!

Palpadious
04-11-2006, 06:35 PM
I probably wouldn't have sucked like Raimi's movies. There I said it.

myfingershurt
04-21-2006, 12:44 AM
yeah, i read a script, supposedly the one by james cameron, and it sucked. im happy with what we have

TwilightPro101
04-21-2006, 01:51 AM
I would have been demanding my 8 bucks back.

The Kid
04-21-2006, 08:24 PM
to buy another ticket? ;)

Batspider77
04-22-2006, 02:38 PM
I wish Cameron would have made the Spiderman Movies.....i´m sure his Versions would kick the crap out of Raimis.

pacmaster3000
04-23-2006, 09:09 AM
I have a spiderman script on my computer dated 1985!!!Oh Shoot!That's the one that was never made and the one with Scott Leva as Spidey!:spidey:

Darkred
04-23-2006, 12:09 PM
cameron was going to have leo dicaprio as spidey and he was going have him wear a black suit. Superheroes wearing black was the trend at the time...Batman89, tim burtons failed superman movie was also going to have supes wearing black.

Visionary
04-23-2006, 03:44 PM
There would have been just as much, if not MORE, ******ing by fanboyish geeks with James Cameron's movie. Did you fools read his scriptment, no director is ever going to follow the comics they way fanboys want, deal with it?

Now, get back to your comic books of Iron Spidey, The Others and the Ultimate titles, oh wait, they ain't following your geekish rules either. You people have a lot of angry letters to write, get started.:D

Mr. Socko
04-23-2006, 04:36 PM
Don't bash me but I personally think Arnold Schwarzenegger could have been a pretty good Doc Ock. I mean an evil one, not the kind you feel sorry for.

Visionary
04-23-2006, 07:08 PM
Yeah, like how he made a pretty good Mr. Freeze.:rolleyes:

Joker
04-23-2006, 08:56 PM
Don't bash me but I personally think Arnold Schwarzenegger could have been a pretty good Doc Ock. I mean an evil one, not the kind you feel sorry for.

If Ock was written the way he was in Raimi's movie,then it wouldn't matter what actor was in the role.You'd still feel sorry for him.Even with Arnie.

Anyway Schwarzenegger is way too big to play Ock.Thank god Cameron's movie never happened.

Batman333
04-27-2006, 08:37 AM
interesting read, but leo would of been better

Catman
04-30-2006, 03:16 PM
Kevin forgot to mention the scene in which Peter f--ks MJ.

Spider - Man
04-30-2006, 10:23 PM
If I remember correctly, when they first started talking about making a Spidey movie back in early/mid 80s, there was talk that baseball star george brett was gonna screen test for the role! Yeah the guy who used to do the dandruff shampoo commercials! That woulda sucked!

Soap
05-03-2006, 01:21 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Tom Cruise considered for Spidy back in the 90's?

Jlandsw
05-04-2006, 02:29 PM
I would have loved to have seen James Cameron's version of Spider-Man.

Batspider77
05-04-2006, 06:47 PM
Yeah, like how he made a pretty good Mr. Freeze.:rolleyes:This was because Schumachers Script was totaly crap,imagin a Dock Ock with the Badness of the T-800 and you will see what Camerons Dock ock would have been like.Cameron is the Godfather of Action and thats something Raimi could never come close to.

SpyderDan
05-04-2006, 11:27 PM
Anyone who thinks Cameron's Spider-Man film would've been good has obviously never actually read the script. It would've been a catastrophe.

cryptic name
05-12-2006, 01:03 AM
Kevin forgot to mention the scene in which Peter f--ks MJ.

on top of a bridge, after webbing her wrists to a beam, while wearing his spider-man costume...i could have gotten one out to that

ZER0C00L
05-12-2006, 06:00 AM
i read the Scriptment' and i liked it. i would have liked to see Camerons version. it would have been intense, funny, exciting not Corny like Rami's and drowned out in a bad soap opera love story no one cares about.

I dont like Rami's choices for the lead roles. Maguire, Dunst there awful. These movies aren't spider man to me.

SpyderDan
05-12-2006, 01:29 PM
These movies aren't spider man to me.

But a script where Peter bangs MJ against a bridge is Spider-Man to you?

matthooper
05-13-2006, 03:30 PM
i read the Scriptment' and i liked it. i would have liked to see Camerons version. it would have been intense, funny, exciting not Corny like Rami's and drowned out in a bad soap opera love story no one cares about.

I dont like Rami's choices for the lead roles. Maguire, Dunst there awful. These movies aren't spider man to me.


Don't you get tired of people calling you an idiot all the time? It must get really annoying.

cryptic name
05-16-2006, 10:16 PM
But a script where Peter bangs MJ against a bridge is Spider-Man to you?

it screams spider-MAN to me

SpyderDan
05-17-2006, 06:58 PM
it screams spider-MAN to me

Gimme a ****ing break.

Kraven
05-17-2006, 10:33 PM
Can someone post the script or a link to the script please?

cryptic name
05-18-2006, 10:29 PM
Gimme a ****ing break.

it was a joke, untie your scrotum and have a chuckle.

SpyderDan
05-18-2006, 10:38 PM
Can someone post the script or a link to the script please?

Here it is. (http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/spider-man-scriptment.html)

it was a joke, untie your scrotum and have a chuckle.

Sorry, it doesn't come across well in print.

cryptic name
05-20-2006, 04:15 PM
Sorry, it doesn't come across well in print.

no worries, it made me laugh, that's all that matters.

Iceburgeruk
10-30-2007, 09:59 AM
It is true that James Cameron worked with schwartzaneggar a lot but he also worked with Michael Biehn a lot as well. Which makes me think that cameron may have gone for his original plan but with Michael Biehn as Electro. Biehn has always been very underused but he is a million miles better that arnie. And i`m sure he would have been able to play a brilliant electro or sandman or whoever they picked him to play.

Cameron also worked with Bill Paxton a lot. Who could have been used for a number of spidey roles. At a push he could be sandman or electro.

And Lance Hendrikson who could also have played any number of roles. He`d prob have made a Green Goblin or maybe even doc ock (if ian mckellen can be magneto. Lance could be doc ock). Or maybe he could have been uncle ben?

I hope cameron wouldn`t have used Arnie. I mean it was mainly the studio that made him use arnie as terminator he wanted lance as the terminator. Which in my opinion might not have been as iconic but prob would have been far better acted.

NinjaCarm
11-03-2007, 12:22 AM
Get Cameron to direct the next Spider-Man trilogy with the mythos that has been set up already. Without Spidey f'ing MJ on the bridge of course.

ultimatefan
11-05-2007, 12:57 PM
The first question is: James Cameron still directs movies?:woot:

DACrowe
11-25-2007, 11:52 PM
I think Cameron's style of film and tone would make for an interesting Spider-Man. Certainly worthy of a counterpoint to the broad child-like fun of Raimi's movies.

But his scriptment and ideas shows he gets Parker far less than Raimi ever did and his choice of villains and plot were awful. Now Cameron on X-Men or FF...that'd have been interesting.

Hand Duet
11-25-2007, 11:57 PM
Didn't Cameron want Leo Dicaprio to play the role of Spiderman at one point before they went on to do Titanic??

Catman
11-29-2007, 04:48 AM
Get Cameron to direct the next Spider-Man trilogy with the mythos that has been set up already. Without Spidey f'ing MJ on the bridge of course.

But I like that scene. :csad:

DACrowe
11-29-2007, 11:52 PM
It could work as a scene if it was Peter and MJ (for example I wouldn't have minded if it was a tame sex scene between Peter and MJ on the web, but I'm sure Sony would never allow it in SM3).

But Spidey basically banging the hot chick in his class because she is a groupie is just bad writing.

Catman
11-30-2007, 01:18 AM
It could work as a scene if it was Peter and MJ (for example I wouldn't have minded if it was a tame sex scene between Peter and MJ on the web, but I'm sure Sony would never allow it in SM3).

But Spidey basically banging the hot chick in his class because she is a groupie is just bad writing.

You are 100% right, man. You really are. However...that scene always makes me laugh. Why? Because deep down you know thats what Peter Parker would love to do to MJ. He's a teenage boy and every teenage boy has dirty thoughts.

IamProdigy
11-30-2007, 05:49 PM
If Ock was written the way he was in Raimi's movie,then it wouldn't matter what actor was in the role.You'd still feel sorry for him.Even with Arnie.

Anyway Schwarzenegger is way too big to play Ock.Thank god Cameron's movie never happened.

"Get in the chopper, now!"

Spiderine
12-01-2007, 10:30 PM
We would be gearing up for Spiderman 9 featuring Spot, The Enforcers, and Puma.