The Sam Elliot/Caretaker Discussion

[Bathrat]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/ghostridernews.php?id=2583

[AmerikazMostWanted]

Ok now show me a picture of him

[Bathrat]

This is him as General Ross in the Hulk

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/the_hulk/sam_elliott/hulk.jpg

[CaptainStacy]

Excellent casting! That gravelly voice of his will sound AWESOME for Caretaker!

[DarkKnightJRK]

Ghost Rider noob present, who's Caretaker?

[BIGGUN]

we were just talking about this a few days ago in the Official GR Hype thread located here: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62054&page=56&pp=25
Technowraith posted this link on Caretaker and a pic:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/caretr.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/caretr1.gif

[[Faustinas]]

I didn't think Blaze ever knew the Caretaker before Ketch took over the Ghost Rider mantle :confused:

[Retroman]

Although I think he's a great addition to the cast, I don't like the idea of one actor having different roles in two major Marvel franchises.

[Caliber]

So can someone summarize who Caretaker is because I still don't understand who he is.

[Retroman]

CARETAKER

Real Name: Unrevealed

Identity/Class: Human variant (Blood) http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/caretr1.gif
Occupation: Guardian of the family line associated with Medallion of Power

Group Membership: Blood

Affiliations: John Blaze, Ghost Rider/Dan Ketch, Francis Ketch, Jack Russell (Werewolf), Shriker, Suicide, Vengeance,
Midnight Sons (Blade, John Blaze, Frank Drake, Dr. Strange, Ghost Rider/Dan Ketch/Noble Kale, Hannibal King, Morbius, Vengeance),
the Nine (Blade, John Blaze, Sam Buchanan, Frank Drake, Ghost Rider/Ketch, Louise Hastings, Hannibal King, Victoria Montesi, Morbius);
Speakeasy (pawn)

Enemies: Centurious, Fallen, the Lilin, Lilith, People of the Dust, Zarathos;
formerly Vengeance/Michael Badalino

Known Relatives: Presumably some of the Blood

Aliases: "old man"

Base of Operations: a base beneath Cypress Hills Cemetery

First Appearance: Ghost Rider III#25, 28 (August, 1992)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/caretr.htm

[BIGGUN]

']I didn't think Blaze ever knew the Caretaker before Ketch took over the Ghost Rider mantle :confused:

he didnt..
the movie combines elements from both 70s and 90s comic series.
it will be Blaze in character and basic origin story but Ghost Rider will have the powers and look of the 90s Ketch series. w/ of course some villains and supporting characters (Caretaker and Blackheart).
to me i dont mind this at all....and ive been a GR fan since the late 70s.
apparently MSJ wants to take the best elements from both series and make the best possible movie from it....which naturally im all for :ghost:

[BIGGUN]

So can someone summarize who Caretaker is because I still don't understand who he is.


in the comics he gave advice (and sometimes help) to both Dan Ketch and his brother John Blaze on matters of GR and the supernatural. he always seemed to hang around the Cypress Hills cemetary and pop up unexpectedly to help.

think of him as a supernatural/tough/irritable version of Obi Wan Kenobi....

[Fettstyl]

it will be Blaze in character and basic origin story but Ghost Rider will have the powers and look of the 90s Ketch series. :ghost:

Now I did read in one of MSJ updates(about3rd or 4th one ago) the questioner asked if the movie GR would use chain, hellfire blasts, or penance stare. And MSJ's response was "all of the above". So actually he would have all the powers of both GRs. Which is cool.

[Hypestyle]

Will Suicide be in this movie?

[BIGGUN]

Now I did read in one of MSJ updates(about3rd or 4th one ago) the questioner asked if the movie GR would use chain, hellfire blasts, or penance stare. And MSJ's response was "all of the above". So actually he would have all the powers of both GRs. Which is cool.

thats true.....although i wonder how often GR would use the power of shooting hellfire? realistically...if GR had unlimited used of firing Hellfire whenever he wanted to he would literally be like a walking flamethrower. why even bother using the chain or beating someone senseless if you could just fry his soul from a distance?
there was an idea in the 95 script that GR would use (but sparingly) a shotgun that was mystically altered so that it would shoot hellfire. i think the idea was that he comes across a shotgun...picks it up.....it changes .....and he uses it to merely channel his hellfire through it.
but again MSJ may just have GR shoot hellfire from his hands like in the 70s comics. there is no telling at this point....either way im cool w/ it :up:

[BIGGUN]

Will Suicide be in this movie?

heh...Suicide? i really doubt it.
imo one of the WORST dressed supporting characters ever to grace the GR series.
i liked the idea behind the character....but Mackie just never developed him. they left him w/ Caretaker in that one issue regenerating his lost flesh and was never heard from again. that was another problem i had w/ that series....they introduced characters and storylines and never fully develped them. things got confusing really quick after issue 25.

[Fettstyl]

thats true.....although i wonder how often GR would use the power of shooting hellfire? realistically...if GR had unlimited used of firing Hellfire whenever he wanted to he would literally be like a walking flamethrower. why even bother using the chain or beating someone senseless if you could just fry his soul from a distance?

Yeah a flamethrower like the 70's comic, that would be great. I don't think it would be senseless to use other weapons because he could use the chain to grab someone and pull them to him, hang on to something or if something was eluding the hellfire due to dexterity or such, he could throw the chain at them and have it turn into those little bits of chain kinda like throwing stars he did in the comic. It'd be like laying down a spread of shotgun fire. The penance stare could be used when he's really really pissed and wants to get up close and personal about the pain and punishment.

there was an idea in the 95 script that GR would use (but sparingly) a shotgun that was mystically altered so that it would shoot hellfire. i think the idea was that he comes across a shotgun...picks it up.....it changes .....and he uses it to merely channel his hellfire through it.
but again MSJ may just have GR shoot hellfire from his hands like in the 70s comics. there is no telling at this point....either way im cool w/ it :up:

I never heard that idea before. I don't like it myself. It's cool that GR has a western feel to him, but a shotgun? wielded by a flaming demon? Too cowboyish. and goofy. imo.

[Fettstyl]

Oh, I just remembered. In the hulk cartoon GR used Hellfire blasts, penance stare, chain and even Fire balls. I personally thought it was great.:ghost:

[FlameHead]

I always like Caretaker and I'm very happy that he's going to be in the movie. I talked about him a bit in another thread (which I wish I didn't now that I got to this thread) so I'm not gonna repeat.

BG's comment is quite a true statment; "supernatural/tough/irritable version of Obi Wan Kenobi" I'm not sure how he's gonna play in the movie, but thats exactly how he is in the comics... with a little more of a father figure in him. I always pictured him as a dad to the Ghost Rider's (Blaze, Ketch and Badalino versions) and no so much to the human entities. If you remember the 90's version on the Character, he didn't have a clue who he was and what he was doing at the start. He only lived for vengeance and nothing more. Caretaker helped the entity know who he truly was.

So, the question is... is Caretaker there for Blaze or Ghost Rider?

I love the fact that MSJ is taking from both series because there is a lot of good in both... along with a lot of bad. Especially when you're dealing with the powers. I was never a fan of the hellfire blasts from the hands but I love how they developed Blaze in the 90's. His ability to channel the hellfire was a great plotline. If they do use hellfire blasts, I hope it with a shotgun.

As for the rest of the powers, I wanna see that chain in action; The choking, the dragging of people down the streets, the seperating of links to create projectiles, the unseaminly never ending length... all of it.

[FVD]

Although I think he's a great addition to the cast, I don't like the idea of one actor having different roles in two major Marvel franchises.

Oh well it's pretty much too late now. Look at Rebecca Romijn Stamos for example (X-Men 1 & 2/The Punisher)

FVD.

[BIGGUN]

As for the rest of the powers, I wanna see that chain in action; The choking, the dragging of people down the streets, the seperating of links to create projectiles, the unseaminly never ending length... all of it.

yup...one of things that i liked about the Ketch Rider (even though Blaze was my fave) was that he was much more brutal in his taking down the bad guys.
that one annual where GR broke every single bone in Scarecrow's body and left him a cripple is a great example.
but regardless of whether he uses his hands or a shotgun, the Hellfire effects are going to look awesome on screen.

[Riding Ghost]

Oh, I just remembered. In the hulk cartoon GR used Hellfire blasts, penance stare, chain and even Fire balls. I personally thought it was great.:ghost:


Yeah!! that was a great cartoon. I was surprised they used fireballs, especially since the Blaze Ghost Rider rarely used them, much less The ketch gr he was supposed to be modeled after. I thought it was really cool.
It was also cool how everytime they showed Ghost Rider you could hear tortured souls wailing in the background. I loved that. That was an awesome cartoon. Thank God for DVD recorders.

[FlameHead]

I've never seen the cartoon myself but I'm dying to see that episode at the very least. That tortured souls thing you speak of sounds awesome. I think I remember somebody talking about that in the "Sound of Hellfire" thread here on the boards... but I could be wrong. I'll have to check that thread again...

BG, your right on GR2's asswhopin'. Especially at the start of the series before he realized that he wasn't just the spirit driven by Vengeance but an actually entity as well. Before he learnt that he has a soul and can decide for himself what he can and cannot do.

You damn strait those hellfire effects are gonna be sweet; the head, the wheels and the power.... all of it.

[Riding Ghost]

I've never seen the cartoon myself but I'm dying to see that episode at the very least. That tortured souls thing you speak of sounds awesome. I think I remember somebody talking about that in the "Sound of Hellfire" thread here on the boards... but I could be wrong. I'll have to check that thread again...

BG, your right on GR2's asswhopin'. Especially at the start of the series before he realized that he wasn't just the spirit driven by Vengeance but an actually entity as well. Before he learnt that he has a soul and can decide for himself what he can and cannot do.

You damn strait those hellfire effects are gonna be sweet; the head, the wheels and the power.... all of it.

Yes, you definately want to see that episode...trust me. The cartoons are listed on yahoo auction sites from time to time. but not ebay, since they are copies. I actually recorded mine years ago from tv, but seen them on yahoo recently. Also you can find the Fantastic Four cartoons there. FF episode-When calls Galactus- that was cool too, though GR only had 2 min appearance, it was agreat appearance. After Galactus was beating FF, and thor, GR rode in and saved the day by giving Galactus the penance stare(it was awesome)

[FlameHead]

2 min appearance or not, I wanna see it... sounds freakin' cool.

I hoping that I can find somewhere to d/l it actually... or maybe somebody here has it on the PC and could send it to me.... Anyone?

[Roughneck]

Although I think he's a great addition to the cast, I don't like the idea of one actor having different roles in two major Marvel franchises.

How do you feel about Affleck playing, Shanon Hamilton, Holden McNeil, Bartleby and Ben Affleck in the Askewnaverse?

[BIGGUN]

2 min appearance or not, I wanna see it... sounds freakin' cool.

I hoping that I can find somewhere to d/l it actually... or maybe somebody here has it on the PC and could send it to me.... Anyone?

actually i still have some clips that i sent to MarvelMovies awhile back.
i managed to find the tape on ebay....it was a limited release on video in Canada too. think they released a few of the hulk episodes on vhs a few years ago and luckily they did the one w/ GR. neat episode...no ads! heh
main problem i have w/ it is GR's voice....he sounded like a wuss...lol.
he needs to sound really pissed off....instead he was kinda mellow. :confused:

[FlameHead]

I remember somebody talking about how crappy the voice was... and I think I'll look for that thread later on... just to see what else was talked about. I doubt I"ll find it though. It's probably in this huge thread for all know.

Hey MM... you still got those clips buddy boy?

[Riding Ghost]

I remember somebody talking about how crappy the voice was.

Yeah, the FF voice was kinda lame, but the GR voice on the Hulk cartoon was a lot better. If memory serves me correctly the same person did the voice on both cartoons (Richard Greco-I think), but they did some computer thing or something with the voice to make it sound better in the hulk. I believe FF appearance came first.

[BIGGUN]

Yeah, the FF voice was kinda lame, but the GR voice on the Hulk cartoon was a lot better. If memory serves me correctly the same person did the voice on both cartoons (Richard Greco-I think), but they did some computer thing or something with the voice to make it sound better in the hulk. I believe FF appearance came first.

i do agree the actual effects for the voice and hellfire were cool....but the way Greco did the voice was all wrong imo. if he sounded like he was constantly pissed off that would have helped..

[MarvelMovies]

I remember somebody talking about how crappy the voice was... and I think I'll look for that thread later on... just to see what else was talked about. I doubt I"ll find it though. It's probably in this huge thread for all know.

Hey MM... you still got those clips buddy boy?

Hmmm..

That's a good question, it may be on the other computer somewhere

If not, I'll DL the episode of the Hulk (and Fantastic Four if he was in that) and then try and get the sound clip (or video) online..

[MarvelMovies]

i do agree the actual effects for the voice and hellfire were cool....but the way Greco did the voice was all wrong imo. if he sounded like he was constantly pissed off that would have helped..

Richard Greco, as in Night at the Roxbury.. Richard Greco..

:D

I agree, the voice was all wrong.. not sure what they were going for..

I hope when Ghost Rider talks in the movie, he sounds much better... such as when the Hulk talked in his movie, I think they nailed his voice..

One thing about comics, there are no sounds other then "WHAM! or SMACK!"... so always cool to hear a character come to life..

*On a side note, looking at my fingers right now.. they sure do move fast when I type... maybe I should go to bed*

[MarvelMovies]

actually i still have some clips that i sent to MarvelMovies awhile back.
i managed to find the tape on ebay....it was a limited release on video in Canada too. think they released a few of the hulk episodes on vhs a few years ago and luckily they did the one w/ GR. neat episode...no ads! heh
main problem i have w/ it is GR's voice....he sounded like a wuss...lol.
he needs to sound really pissed off....instead he was kinda mellow. :confused:

I remember the advertisement you sent me for the Ghost Rider action figures, with Wolverine's voice.. the animated Wolvie, not Hugh Jackman, btw.

:p

I wonder if I still have that TV advertisement, or if it got tossed with the hard drive failure..

:(

[MarvelMovies]

Excellent casting! That gravelly voice of his will sound AWESOME for Caretaker!

In the Entertainment Weekly, Sam Elliott was quoted as saying that his character was going to dig graves or something...

I'll try to find that magazine, and post the quote..

Then, I went online and there was MSJ confirming that...

[FlameHead]

I hope when Ghost Rider talks in the movie, he sounds much better... such as when the Hulk talked in his movie, I think they nailed his voice..


That is of course IF we hear him talk. They may just make him a brutal beating machine with no voice. I would hate that...

We talked about this a lot in The Sound of HellFire (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126593) thread. I think it was that one anyway.

[stealth_rider]

I saw Sam Elliot outside the cemetary this morning. They had been filming all night and he looked like he needed a rest. I saw two horses last night that they were preparing. Does Caretaker ride a horse? Sam was wearing a brown vest thing.

s_r

[MarvelMovies]

I saw Sam Elliot outside the cemetary this morning. They had been filming all night and he looked like he needed a rest. I saw two horses last night that they were preparing. Does Caretaker ride a horse? Sam was wearing a brown vest thing.

s_r

Not to sure about CareTaker and the horses..

But, horses always give me a sense of "Headless Horseman" guy.. who had the pumpkin head which he held in his hand.. and then crash of lightning in the background, on a cold dark night with the rain pouring down..

But, the horses were probably for a carriage or something maybe.. like an old fashioned funeral.. getting a Wild, Wild, West type feel..

Thanks for the update..

[FlameHead]

In the first email that 'the source' (the person who talked about the bikes a while ago, if you remember) he talked about seeing saddles and holsters. I didn't really think about it until now. I remeber the image that came to mind when reading it though. Perhaps they're making it more of cowboy movie than we thought... except, instead of them being on horses, they'll be on bikes. I guess, that's essentially what they're doing anyway.

I found these two images and had to share them. He's pretty freakin'' cool.

http://www.littlereata.com/autos/elliot.jpg

http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/beefcake/samelliot1.jpg

[FlameHead]

Just getting these conversations to the top again...

He was good in the trailer/comic con thing eh? Most everyone I read loved him. I myself thought he was perfect!

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4756/709wx.jpg

[ThatOneGuy]

He seems to be good in the role

[MarvelMovies]

There is no other who can play the Caretaker like that of Sam Elliott.

With this being his 2nd comic book movie (General Ross in The Hulk), Sam is well on his way to having a statue on my wall!

[Exabyte]

I like sam. He has been really well in the superhero movies.

[Mr Nick]

Perfect casting. Sam's got real presence, a worldly wisdom about him and a fatherly tone to his voice. As this has been billed as a 'supernatural western', who better? The guy's straight outta Tombstone.

:up:

[Crowley9]

My first thought when seeing him in the footage: damn that guy looks a lot like Lee Marvin!

[SpHinX]

He looks like his character from Roadhouse, but that doesn't really matter :) He's still gonna kick ass in this movie.

[FlameHead]

There is no other who can play the Caretaker like that of Sam Elliott.

With this being his 2nd comic book movie (General Ross in The Hulk), Sam is well on his way to having a statue on my wall!

I love that he's doing another Marvel flick. It's so great to see wonderful actors return to a production company... especailly great ones like Sam.

Perfect casting. Sam's got real presence, a worldly wisdom about him and a fatherly tone to his voice. As this has been billed as a 'supernatural western', who better? The guy's straight outta Tombstone.

:up:

Yeah, his voice is perfect! I love the way it sounds. Perfect for this character... Sam in total is perfect for this character.

[FlameHead]

This question was posed at the ComicCon; http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0508/20/ghostrider.htm

Question: Are you combining the horse and the motorcyle versions?

Johnson: That's a good question, but I can't answer it. I'm really sorry. I don't want to give away too much and that one feels like I might.

Interesting... Don't ya think? I wonder will we be seeing Ghost Rider on a horse at some point in this movie? What exactly did he not want to give away I wonder?

Let's speculate!

[Riding Ghost]

Hmmm, interesting indeed. As far as I know there wasn't much revealed about the origin of the western GR. So if the movie has Zarathos as the GR(Awesome), then perhaps MSJ is going to draw a correlation between the Western GR and Blaze GR thus filling in the blanks on the western series and confirming that Carter S was possessed by Zarathos. I think that would be a good idea....unless I've missed something and the western comic already said something different.

[Crowley9]

I did notice that in the Comiccon footage there was a split-second shot of the Caretaker on horseback. That could mean anything, though.

[FlameHead]

Yeah, that could be anything... Plus, Caretaker looks awesome on a horse.

As for Carter, I don't think he was possessed by anything. He just had a special cape that make him look invisable and such... didn't he?

[BURNFOREVER]

Yeah, that could be anything... Plus, Caretaker looks awesome on a horse.

As for Carter, I don't think he was possessed by anything. He just had a special cape that make him look invisable and such... didn't he?

No. The Slades are not possessed by any supernatural forces.
Apparentelly.
Who knows for sure?
He looks pretty spooky to me. You know: the curse didn´t begin with the Blazes. It was the Kales, later the Blazes, the Ketchs ( Barbara would become the next GR not Danny ). Why not the Slades? I think it would be cool.
A beautiful homage to the hardcore fans.
Carter removing his white mask and revealing his true flaming skull face.
Christ, it chills me out.
A demonic horse ( Banshee, WGR white horse )..., breathing fire, perhaps?
Jesus, i´m tripping already. Better stop.
:-)

[Hellcycle2000]

its been done in an issue of Ghost Rider, so why not


http://home.comcast.net/~svgjr1975/spikes.bmp

[FlameHead]

The carter slade being a Ghsot Rider you mean? Or the Ghost Rider's in history riding horses cuz I know they had a few panels of that before.

[Uncanny Orb]

I'm thinking when Careteker explains to Blaze about who GR is there may be flashbacks to previous GR's one of which was probably on horseback.

[Mr Nick]

That'd be neat. I like this whole lineage idea. I wonder if it's implying that (in the movie) Caretaker was once Ghost Rider, back in the Wild West.

:confused:

[FlameHead]

Hmmm... that would indeed be an interesting plot development. I really like that idea. Gives the whole mentor side of things a little more meat.

I'm thinking when Careteker explains to Blaze about who GR is there may be flashbacks to previous GR's one of which was probably on horseback.

That is quite a good possibility there Uncanny and something I would love to see. Any reference given to the legacy of Ghost Rider would be great for me.

[Carter Slade]

I'm new to the forum and was drawn here when I discovered that there apparently is suspicion or possibly something more concrete concerning ties between the original Western-hero Ghost Rider and a character from the motorcycle-riding, demonic Ghost Rider of more recent vintage. I've never really been a big fan of the demonic Rider but have always been a fan of the Western hero, and as someone who owns and has read the original Ghost Rider series from the 60s and the Western Gunfighters stories from 1970, I wanted to find out more concrete info regarding some of the rumors and suspicions I've seen.

First and foremost is this Caretaker individual - apparently he is Carter Slade in some form or another. Can I get some more definite info on this? I checked around the web and couldn't really find anything, both about the character in general or about a connection between the two. As someone who really kind of likes the original the way he was to begin with, I have to say that depending on the nature of this connection I'm not too sure how happy I'll be about it.

I also wanted to shed some light on Carter Slade since a lot of folks seem to be hankering for his apparent appearance in the upcoming Ghost Rider movie (the forthcoming toy lines would seem to indicate this) as a part of the demonic Ghost Rider lineage.

As I see it the only way in which this could possibly be interjected is to claim that the "Great Spirit" that Falling Star (see the OHTMUBOTD entry for "Phantom Rider" that is posted in the Ghost Rider comics forum) prayed to was in some way connected to the demonic possession affecting the other Ghost Riders. Slade never manifests anything in his adventures that could provide other links, however; he is unmasked by the Tarantula (the Western villain) during a fight in Ghost Rider vol 1 #6, and the only face under the mask is his own, human face. Basically, they couldn't shoehorn him into the lineage of the other Ghost Riders as an actual "one of them" without completely upheaving the earlier continuity, as the only thing they have in common is a name, one story from Ghost Rider vol. 2, and a story with Hamilton Slade a few issues later. Not that comic book writers/editors and movie producers are loathe to do such things, as they aren't.

Personally, I'm of two minds on the whole thing. On the one hand, having always been a fan of more obscure characters, and since the Slade Ghost/Night/Phantom Riders have never been anything other than minor characters in the Marvel Universe, it is cool to see something like a Carter Slade action figure potentially being made. On the other hand, the idea of turning Slade into a demonic figure is complete anathema to me. If this is the case, then as long as it never makes it into comic book continuity I probably won't get really angry, since movies play around with things like this all the time. If it makes it into the comic world then I may have to start killing people.

So anyhow, if anyone has any info, I'd be much indebted, I've read some of the conjectures here on the forum but I didn't know if anyone had anything more concrete.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Nothing is for certain but signs are pointing towards Caretaker being Carter Slade and he is kind of like Johnny's mentor/aide in this film.

[Uncanny Orb]

Maybe they'll do something to fit him into the GR contnuity with the new book coming out, it seems strange to have a Phantom Rider book called Spirit of Vengeance. As for caretaker my guess is he will be carter slade in name only in the movie and perhaps a previous GR, but not like the Phantom Rider.

[Riding Ghost]

Basically, they couldn't shoehorn him into the lineage of the other Ghost Riders as an actual "one of them" without completely upheaving the earlier continuity, as the only thing they have in common is a name, one story from Ghost Rider vol. 2, and a story with Hamilton Slade a few issues later. Not that comic book writers/editors and movie producers are loathe to do such things, as they aren't.


Unfortunately, Marvel hasn't really cared about continuity for about 2 decades now. It sucks, but they seem to feel continuity is for losers, why I don't know.

[Riding Ghost]

As for caretaker my guess is he will be carter slade in name only in the movie and perhaps a previous GR, but not like the Phantom Rider.

Good guess, thats most likely the case

[Crowley9]

In the leaked Comiccon footage there was a short flash of Caretaker on horseback. Make what you will of that. There wasn't anything in that shot to really indicate a time period.

[InVictus]

I think Caretaker/Carter Slade will be something like what should have been the undead cowboy in The crow... with...more flesh and irony, i think.

[FlameHead]

In the leaked Comiccon footage there was a short flash of Caretaker on horseback. Make what you will of that. There wasn't anything in that shot to really indicate a time period.

I'm hoping that we see some sort of flaming horse personally. Sorta like the hellcycle but a Hellhorse or something. That would pretty freakin' neat if you ask me.

[Lone Wolf]

http://superherohype.com/news/ghostridernews.php?id=3996

[FlameHead]

I had to bump this folks. There's just way to little love for Sam on here... and he is one of the best things about this movie. He looks and sounds awesome and I can't wait to see more!

[Mr Nick]

Very true, Flamehead.

I just took a looksee into his credits on IMDB. Who'd have thunk he did the voice for Mowgli in a 60's Jungle Book cartoon?! And he had a recurring role in Mission Impossible.

:yay:

[InVictus]

I was thinking, while re-reading this thread, that the great spirit of Carter Slade could be the indian spirit of vengeance?Maybe the spirit of vengeance responded in some way to the need of vengeance of the indian natives?Who knows...

[RED_Rider]

Sam is great but I wish he had more muscles, I imagined the caretaker a bit bigger but Sam is a superb actor and has a great voice. This was a good bump.

[FlameHead]

I can see what you're saying. Caretaker was always pretty muscular in the comics... but so is everyone. That's a comic thing. For me, muscles (or a definite look) don't make the character though. It's everything else and I think Sam is perfect!

[Vartha]

Well the Ghost Rider Visual Guide has Caretaker's name as Carter Slade at the bottom of page 108 if you want to check. I think it's just to show a tribute to all the Ghost Rider's since GR is a blend of Blaze and Ketch Riders.

[Vartha]

Haven't heard too much about Sam's part was it any good?

[Mr. Socko]

Sam's part was great. I love the guy's voice. Some of the best narration you'll ever hear. You're only going to be wishing he had a bigger part. SPOILER: In the opening scene, it shows him as the Rider and trading on the devil. It's a really cool opener, and the lighting just makes it that much better. And he mentioned, when he becomes a Rider as well to lead Blaze to the ghost town, that he no longer can transform, he only had one last transformation left in him. So hopefully, there's a way he can come back in a sequel.

Believe it or not, it's the old school guys, Elliot and Fonda, that will leave an impression on you at the end, you won't forget their parts for a very long time. They were that good.

[Vartha]

MAN I wish we had screen shots of that! Sounds like it would be a cool Wall paper.

[Vartha]

Now that I've seen Sam's part in the film, I really want o see more of him in future films.
It would be cool to see the two GR's together more often.

[Swordmaster]

Sam was definitely one of my favorite parts of the movie, and as Socko said, his narrating is quite good.

[Bubonic]

Elliot was definately cool, and hopefully we will have more of him in the extended version, there is an extended version right?

[Mr Nick]

Hmm, I'm not sure. Ages ago, MSJ said the theatrical cut was his director's cut, but recently he seemed to suggest there might be a special edition or something released on DVD.

:huh:

[TheGreg]

Although I think he's a great addition to the cast, I don't like the idea of one actor having different roles in two major Marvel franchises.


You mean like Jean Grey being in the Iron Man movie?

[Thot]

Sam Elliot was, as usual, spot-on. He added additional gravity and depth to the film. The ending was fantastic,.....didn't see it coming. Hope he's back in the sequel.

[Vartha]

I'm kind of hoping for a prequal with Sam. THAT would kick BUTT

[CAH]

I'm kind of hoping for a prequal with Sam. THAT would kick BUTT
If That Happened = :wow::wow::wow::word:

I would LOVE for a Phantom Rider movie featuring a younger horse-riding Sam Elliot/Carter Slade/Caretaker. :up:

CAH

[Kasady]

I'm kind of hoping for a prequal with Sam. THAT would kick BUTT

Yeah, I see you were thinking the same thing as me. A whole story about Caretaker be awesome. It could show more about the town and the 1000 souls. It could end with showing Mephisto chase him on his own demonic horse and we see how he outruns the devil. Show Mephisto didn't just stand there. Marvels been rolling out the animated movies and I think the story of Carter Slade/Caretaker would work really well as an an animaited movie.

[FlameHead]

I have to agree with you there Kasady. I'd love to see an animated flick w/ that story and Sam's voice is so incredible it would be amazing to have on an animated figure.