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fashion police on red alert...
MoiBijou
02-03-2006, 04:11 PM
http://www.marktkreisel.ch/fun/002/frames/alarm/red-blue.gif
:D
YAVANNA
02-03-2006, 04:16 PM
Uh-Oh. Fashion Alert!!!
http://www.ajmberg.nl/images/uploads/queer_eye.jpg
GOD it hurts!!!!!my eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BBraddockLover
02-03-2006, 04:18 PM
i think i like him not slouching all the time, that would put a real strain on his back im mean come on thats like 4 months of shooting
sparky_parker
02-03-2006, 04:53 PM
edit
Avalanche
02-03-2006, 04:55 PM
http://www.ajmberg.nl/images/uploads/queer_eye.jpg
Are they new editions to the X-men?
dickydooer,knobjockey,Sausagemonger,Fudgepacker and assraider
:xmen: only joking hehe
Hilarious.
:o
:rolleyes:
RedIsNotBlue
02-03-2006, 04:55 PM
Thank you Sparky.
The Punisher
02-03-2006, 04:56 PM
Thanks for the Beast pic.
The Punisher
02-03-2006, 04:56 PM
Uhh you better edit that.
Agreed.
sparky_parker
02-03-2006, 04:57 PM
Uhh you better edit that.
done..... went a bit too far
sorry guys!
Lightning Strykez!
02-03-2006, 06:55 PM
That's so messed up.
lordofthenerds
02-03-2006, 07:09 PM
That's so messed up.
Hey Lightning, is your Storm avvy a new pic?
Lightning Strykez!
02-03-2006, 07:17 PM
Hey Lightning, is your Storm avvy a new pic?
Perhaps....;)
Nightwing
02-03-2006, 07:22 PM
Here is another pic of Beast from that Wizard article. It appears that he is meeting with the president in this one and he has a brown suit on.
http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/9454/x1pnprgmi5o53qginmofzdauiedhtg.jpg
Awesome, thanks.
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 07:31 PM
Perhaps....;)
:o :mad: :(
RedIsNotBlue
02-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Perhaps....;)
Let me guess. It can't be posted here or people will be banned or fined...lol.
Lightning Strykez!
02-03-2006, 07:45 PM
Let me guess. It can't be posted here or people will be banned or fined...lol.
Not at all. It's just an avvy. ;)
RedIsNotBlue
02-03-2006, 07:47 PM
Can you post the picture from where your avvy was spawned?
MemnochZERO
02-03-2006, 07:57 PM
Uh-Oh. Fashion Alert!!!
http://www.ajmberg.nl/images/uploads/queer_eye.jpg
I see Gorgeous George, Slab, Ruckus, Hairbag, and Ramrod.
So, we have the Nasty Toys... i mean, Boys... where's Mister Sinister? ;)
Specter313
02-03-2006, 08:11 PM
I see Gorgeous George, Slab, Ruckus, Hairbag, and Ramrod.
So, we have the Nasty Toys... i mean, Boys... where's Mister Sinister? ;)
I think "Ramrod" isn't the kind of name you want to associate with one of those guys unless you're making a gay porno.
MemnochZERO
02-03-2006, 08:23 PM
I know, it's a really unfortunate name, especially looking at the picture. I guess he could've been called 'Stick Man' or 'Woodshaft' instead of Ramrod.. but it all means the same thing. Whoever came up with the name Nasty Boys really set the whole joke process up, and coming up with Ramrod as a character. I mean, the whole team screams Gay Porn names, but Ramrod is king. Even over poofy pink-haired Ruckus.
sebaa
02-03-2006, 08:54 PM
im going vacations tomorow! for 2 weeks so please all the new pics please post them here!! pleasee
bye see ya!
SingItWithMeNow
02-03-2006, 09:10 PM
wheres the image of the back of juggernaut confronting storm and logan?
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 09:27 PM
wheres the image of the back of juggernaut confronting storm and logan?
ive never heard of this image:confused:
WorthyStevens
02-03-2006, 09:28 PM
ive never heard of this image:confused:
Avalanche has it as an avy.
lordofthenerds
02-03-2006, 09:29 PM
ive never heard of this image:confused:
Look at Avalanche's avatar...
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 09:32 PM
OH CRAP! thats awesome.....wheres the full size pic?
The Punisher
02-03-2006, 09:34 PM
I saw it in his avvy. :up:
SingItWithMeNow
02-03-2006, 09:36 PM
yeah. thats what i saw it
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 09:36 PM
the helmet looks a bit bigger there........
FRUITY
02-03-2006, 09:37 PM
Wow.........haven't seen it before :up:
So that means (maybe) while Storm is attacking Mota's character and Ken Leung, Jugg's probably attacking Wolvie?
:confused:
SingItWithMeNow
02-03-2006, 09:38 PM
AND bursts THROUGH A WALL!
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 09:39 PM
storm and wolverine fighting together = greatest scene ever put on screen!!!!
Devon_Farmer
02-03-2006, 10:06 PM
What's the site where you can see all these pictures...
Or this Miss Lady Venus's Web Page?
MemnochZERO
02-03-2006, 10:22 PM
That's a damn cool avy too.
Specter313
02-03-2006, 10:23 PM
You know that Mystique pic that SHH released a few weeks ago? Gina's trying to claim it over on Xverse now.
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 10:34 PM
You know that Mystique pic that SHH released a few weeks ago? Gina's trying to claim it over on Xverse now.
hers is high res.....i dont think ive seen it that big yet
MoPlaYa
02-03-2006, 10:43 PM
I hope someone posts that pic of Juggs confronting Wolvie and Storm....:)
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 10:43 PM
I hope someone posts that pic of Juggs confronting Wolvie and Storm....:)
hint hint;) :D
Specter313
02-03-2006, 10:48 PM
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9664/rolo34hd4ct.jpg
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 10:51 PM
so THATS what they were looking at!
Well, you can see that it is Xavier in this picture, but I'm sure it is only moments after Jean tore Logan a new one. ;)
BBraddockLover
02-03-2006, 10:54 PM
i wanna see avalanches juggs pic and ants storm pic really bad...please?
Specter313
02-03-2006, 10:57 PM
Well, you can see that it is Xavier in this picture, but I'm sure it is only moments after Jean tore Logan a new one. ;)
That's what I was thinking too.
Where's your avvy from now?
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 11:00 PM
everyones just poppin up with new pic avys...
pyromaniac
02-03-2006, 11:00 PM
The only thing I dont like about Grammers Beast is that he is not slouched, but you know what? Him standing upright shows more of an importance. He just looks like he belongs in the presidential cabinet, mutant or not.
Yes, he has to be erect (no pun intended) for a reason. I'm very positive he'll reclaim his ape-like movements when he takes up the Xman mantle again.
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 11:03 PM
logan and storm were caught doing it in cerebro!
Lightning Strykez!
02-03-2006, 11:05 PM
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9664/rolo34hd4ct.jpg
I'd also like to point out that Storm appears to be wearing the same outfit she donned for the eulogy (the jacket's shoulder pads cancel the posibility that it's the same top from the Xavier/Logan/Storm/Beast Office pic).
If that is Xavier in that chair facing them, that would stongly suggest that the funeral is at least not for Charles. It would explain why Wolverine was absent from that funeral scene, because he's down in the lab with Jean (as we see in the teaser). And it wouldn't make sense that they'd be having a eulogy for Jean if she's comatose in the lower levels at the same time.
Sooooooo my wager is that the eulogy is for someone else....
logan and storm were caught doing it in cerebro!
I think you've cracked the code! :eek: :p
WorthyStevens
02-03-2006, 11:09 PM
I'd also like to point out that Storm appears to be wearing the same outfit she donned for the eulogy (the jacket's shoulder pads cancel the posibility that it's the same top from the Xavier/Logan/Storm/Beast Office pic).
If that is Xavier in that chair facing them, that would stongly suggest that the funeral is at least not for Charles. It would explain why Wolverine was absent from that funeral scene, because he's down in the lab with Jean (as we see in the teaser). And it wouldn't make sense that they'd be having a eulogy for Jean if she's comatose in the lower levels at the same time.
Sooooooo my wager is that the eulogy is for someone else....
I don't like what you're implying, Lightning... :(
Specter313
02-03-2006, 11:11 PM
I'd also like to point out that Storm appears to be wearing the same outfit she donned for the eulogy (the jacket's shoulder pads cancel the posibility that it's the same top from the Xavier/Logan/Storm/Beast Office pic).
If that is Xavier in that chair facing them, that would stongly suggest that the funeral is at least not for Charles. It would explain why Wolverine was absent from that funeral scene, because he's down in the lab with Jean (as we see in the teaser). And it wouldn't make sense that they'd be having a eulogy for Jean if she's comatose in the lower levels at the same time.
Sooooooo my wager is that the eulogy is for someone else....
My bet is that the eulogy happens before Jean arrives back at the mansion. I still think that it's for her, and will likely be one of the things that opens the movie.
Obsidian
02-03-2006, 11:11 PM
I don't like what you're implying, Lightning... :(
Neither do I:(
Lightning Strykez!
02-03-2006, 11:14 PM
My bet is that the eulogy happens before Jean arrives back at the mansion. I still think that it's for her, and will likely be one of the things that opens the movie.
Nope. Trust me, it's after she's brought back and "wakes up". There's a specific reason why Logan's on his butt on the floor with Storm helping him up.
And yes, I know this for a fact...but I don't know who the eulogy is for.
Specter313
02-03-2006, 11:15 PM
Nope. Trust me, it's after she's brought back and "wakes up". There's a specific reason why Logan's on his butt on the floor with Storm helping him up.
And yes, I know this for a fact...but I don't know who the eulogy is for.
Hmm, I still think it's for her, but that the others just don't know she's there.
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 11:16 PM
I'd also like to point out that Storm appears to be wearing the same outfit she donned for the eulogy (the jacket's shoulder pads cancel the posibility that it's the same top from the Xavier/Logan/Storm/Beast Office pic).
If that is Xavier in that chair facing them, that would stongly suggest that the funeral is at least not for Charles. It would explain why Wolverine was absent from that funeral scene, because he's down in the lab with Jean (as we see in the teaser). And it wouldn't make sense that they'd be having a eulogy for Jean if she's comatose in the lower levels at the same time.
Sooooooo my wager is that the eulogy is for someone else....
maybe they all just gathered to pray for jean to get better...i mean it is sort of a miracle.
JustABill
02-03-2006, 11:18 PM
I hope it's not the fact that Cyclops is dead. :( Or worse NIGHTCRAWLER. :(
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 11:18 PM
Neither do I:(
muhuhohahahahahahahaha
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 11:19 PM
I think you've cracked the code! :eek: :p
and maybe prof.x wants to join too:up:
the a1ant
02-03-2006, 11:20 PM
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9664/rolo34hd4ct.jpg
I hope they're not looking at a dead Professor Xavier :(
JustABill
02-03-2006, 11:22 PM
You know....I never thought of that, Ant. God, that would suck. :(
xwolverine2
02-03-2006, 11:23 PM
I hope they're not looking at a dead Professor Xavier :(
or worse.......cyclops is paralyzed forever like chris. reeves.
pyromaniac
02-03-2006, 11:24 PM
My bet is that the eulogy happens before Jean arrives back at the mansion. I still think that it's for her, and will likely be one of the things that opens the movie.
Don't forget that by then Iceman had already established some semblance of a relationship with Kitty, and Beast would have already rejoined the team.
Also - Moira is in there too. One would have thought she at least be in a couple of scenes of slight importance prior to aforementioned discussed scene: not show up out of the blue.
FRUITY
02-03-2006, 11:24 PM
I have to agree with Specter on this one, it seems as if the Prof X is notifying them that Jean's alive. This scene would probably be somewhere in the beginning of the movie and if Prof X would die, it could be somewhere at the end of the movie :(
Lightning Strykez!
02-03-2006, 11:24 PM
I hope it's not the fact that Cyclops is dead. :( Or worse NIGHTCRAWLER. :(
Um, did you get my PM?
Specter313
02-03-2006, 11:26 PM
I hope it's not the fact that Cyclops is dead. :( Or worse NIGHTCRAWLER. :(
See, this is why I still think it's for Jean, even though Lightning says he has proof she's there while it's going on. Xavier would probably want too keep it secret, so he and Wolverine stay away from the eulogy. It can't be for Cyclops, because he would have just died, and there's no way that they could put something like that together that fast. It can't be for Nightcrawler because Penn said that there really wouldn't be any mention of him in the film.
Lightning Strykez!
02-03-2006, 11:27 PM
I hope they're not looking at a dead Professor Xavier
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
That sounds so morbid...yet...what else could account for the look of horror on their faces? In the teaser we do see Charles doing a mind-meld on Jean with that helmet on her head. Did she fry his brain as a result.
Oh god...this has greater implications that I thought.
Lightning Strykez!
02-03-2006, 11:28 PM
See, this is why I still think it's for Jean, even though Lightning says he has proof she's there while it's going on. Xavier would probably want too keep it secret, so he and Wolverine stay away from the eulogy. It can't be for Cyclops, because he would have just died, and there's no way that they could put something like that together that fast. It can't be for Nightcrawler because Penn said that there really wouldn't be any mention of him in the film.
Yeah, I can't say who the eulogy is for. But I do know that that scene takes place after Jean wakes up on that table...and has a reunion of sorts with Logan.
Specter313
02-03-2006, 11:29 PM
Don't forget that by then Iceman had already established some semblance of a relationship with Kitty, and Beast would have already rejoined the team.
Also - Moira is in there too. One would have thought she at least be in a couple of scenes of slight importance prior to aforementioned discussed scene: not show up out of the blue.
Who's to say that wouldn't be her introduction in the movie-verse? A scene like that would work just as well as any other to introduce her. And who says that Beast would have rejoined the team by then? That's nothing but speculation. It's as true as my guess that he's just come back to show his respects to his friend. As for Iceman and Kitty, we don't know how long the timeframe has been between the two movies, so something like that could easily have started off screen in that time period.
Specter313
02-03-2006, 11:32 PM
Yeah, I can't say who the eulogy is for. But I do know that that scene takes place after Jean wakes up on that table...and has a reunion of sorts with Logan.
Can't say cause you don't know, or can't say cause you can't tell? ;)
FRUITY
02-03-2006, 11:35 PM
The eulogy scene could be the introduction of the tension of the rogue, kitty and iceman, which could be expanded later in the movie. They could've easily introduce beast and moira after it aswell
Lightning Strykez!
02-03-2006, 11:35 PM
Can't say cause you don't know, or can't say cause you can't tell?
I honestly don't know.
I only know pieces of the puzzle like everyone else. But I can't assemble all of them into sequence to get the clear picture.
My brain hurts now. I'm going to bed. Talk to you guys tomorrow.
GO STEELERS!!!!! :mad::up:
the a1ant
02-03-2006, 11:39 PM
:eek::eek::eek:
That sounds so morbid...yet...what else could account for the look of horror on their faces? In the teaser we do see Charles doing a mind-meld on Jean with that helmet on her head. Did she fry his brain as a result.
Oh god...this has greater implications that I thought.
*sizzle* *crackle* *pop*
x_x
:( :down
JustABill
02-03-2006, 11:40 PM
Lightning, I did get your IM. Why do you ask?
Specter313
02-03-2006, 11:43 PM
I honestly don't know.
I only know pieces of the puzzle like everyone else. But I can't assemble all of them into sequence to get the clear picture.
My brain hurts now. I'm going to bed. Talk to you guys tomorrow.
GO STEELERS!!!!! :mad::up:
Well, when you get back tomorrow, can you tell us how long between the two events of Jean getting there and the eulogy is? I'm still on this theory:
- Stuff goes down at Alkali Lake
- Wolverine brings Jean back while preparations for the eulogy is taking place
- Eulogy begins as Xavier is examining Jean
- Xavier leaves to make his appearence at the eulogy to try and hide that she's still alive, leaving Logan alone with her
- Wolverine hovers over her and she wakes up as the eulogy winds down
- Jean breaks out
- Storm comes down to find Wolverine knocked out, and as he wakes up, Xavier comes in, having read her mind and knowing she's ticked and where she's heading.
Oh, and GO SEAHAWKS!!! (sorry, I'm from northern Ohio, it's like a rule you have to hate the Steelers)
MoPlaYa
02-04-2006, 12:00 AM
why would Wolverine and Professor X try to hide that Jean Grey is alive??? :confused:
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:03 AM
why would Wolverine and Professor X try to hide that Jean Grey is alive??? :confused:
Why are all revelations like that kept hidden in the movies? To highten the suspense, and such, their resoning being because they thought it would be too much of a shock for everyone to find it out just then. The eulogy doesn't really fit anywhere else with the info we already have.
MoPlaYa
02-04-2006, 12:05 AM
I`m sorry but that doesnt make much sense to me....:confused:
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:06 AM
Nope. Trust me, it's after she's brought back and "wakes up". There's a specific reason why Logan's on his butt on the floor with Storm helping him up.
And yes, I know this for a fact...but I don't know who the eulogy is for.
No. No. This makes no sense. Look at the characters in that funeral. Yes, Angel is not there, which begs a very important question. However, black is black -- and I don't know if we can run from that assumption. Two, that's an awfully big memorial for Scott. Two, Beast and Moira are present. It'd seem forced that -- with Jean presumably returning within the first 30 minutes of the film -- Beast and Moira would be fully established in order to have presence at this funeral. That'd be some rushed and sloppy introductions.
I still think this funeral takes place AFTER Xavier dies, before Act III and the final battle, BEFORE Scott miraculously returns from the dead at the mansion after the funeral. It'd have more power that way anyways -- mixing the two together like that, the "final battle speech" and the "devotoin to Xavier's goals."
So, I think your wrong on this, but we'll see. Right now, my roommate who's standing overm y shoulder just asked, "Why the hell don't you guys just wait for the damn movie to come out?!"
I told him, "Because..."
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:07 AM
Um, did you get my PM?
Can I get your PM?
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:08 AM
Yeah, I can't say who the eulogy is for. But I do know that that scene takes place after Jean wakes up on that table...and has a reunion of sorts with Logan.
Right after, or way after?
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:10 AM
Well, when you get back tomorrow, can you tell us how long between the two events of Jean getting there and the eulogy is? I'm still on this theory:
- Stuff goes down at Alkali Lake
- Wolverine brings Jean back while preparations for the eulogy is taking place
- Eulogy begins as Xavier is examining Jean
- Xavier leaves to make his appearence at the eulogy to try and hide that she's still alive, leaving Logan alone with her
- Wolverine hovers over her and she wakes up as the eulogy winds down
- Jean breaks out
- Storm comes down to find Wolverine knocked out, and as he wakes up, Xavier comes in, having read her mind and knowing she's ticked and where she's heading.
Oh, and GO SEAHAWKS!!! (sorry, I'm from northern Ohio, it's like a rule you have to hate the Steelers)
Then everything says Cyclops. But then why would Logan be standing over Scott's grave.
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:12 AM
Then again, Beast seems to be wearing the same tie and suit at both the funeral and later in the Presiden'ts office in the teaser.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:15 AM
No. No. This makes no sense. Look at the characters in that funeral. Yes, Angel is not there, which begs a very important question. However, black is black -- and I don't know if we can run from that assumption. Two, that's an awfully big memorial for Scott. Two, Beast and Moira are present. It'd seem forced that -- with Jean presumably returning within the first 30 minutes of the film -- Beast and Moira would be fully established in order to have presence at this funeral. That'd be some rushed and sloppy introductions.
Which is why I still believe it happens early in the film and the eulogy scene acts as their introduction, with everyone coming together to memorialize Jean's "death" from the last movie, and go from there. You don't have to have an excuse beyond, "they were her friends" to get them there, and then use the rest of the movie to tell their stories.
So, I think your wrong on this, but we'll see. Right now, my roommate who's standing overm y shoulder just asked, "Why the hell don't you guys just wait for the damn movie to come out?!"
I told him, "Because..."
And that's why I live by myself now.
Then everything says Cyclops. But then why would Logan be standing over Scott's grave.
Not if the eulogy is happening as Jean is just being brought back. As far as the scene with Logan, maybe he goes to visit it before he goes to Alkalki Lake and finds her.
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:17 AM
Which is why I still believe it happens early in the film and the eulogy scene acts as their introduction, with everyone coming together to memorialize Jean's "death" from the last movie, and go from there. You don't have to have an excuse beyond, "they were her friends" to get them there, and then use the rest of the movie to tell their stories.
And that's why I live by myself now.
I'm feeling this idea, just check what i said. Look at Beast's suit in the still when he's staring at the president in the trailer, and the JFK bust is in the background, and the suit and tie he has on at the funeral. They're identical.
I told him, "Because..."
Damn skippy. :mad: :up:
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:18 AM
Which is why I still believe it happens early in the film and the eulogy scene acts as their introduction, with everyone coming together to memorialize Jean's "death" from the last movie, and go from there. You don't have to have an excuse beyond, "they were her friends" to get them there, and then use the rest of the movie to tell their stories.
And that's why I live by myself now.
Not if the eulogy is happening as Jean is just being brought back. As far as the scene with Logan, maybe he goes to visit it before he goes to Alkalki Lake and finds her.
That's some VERY quick traveling. I'm not feeling that so much. But, isn't that hte jacket he's wearing though at the lake and at the memorial.
BUT
Okay, follow me here.
Look at what Logan's wearing in the Storm and Xavier photo, the red-orange shirt. Right? Okay, that's also the shirt he's wearing when Jean wakes up in that quick shot. Right? Okay.
Now, look at the quick shot of him leaning on the desk in the trailer, Beast's face in front in the bottom corner. He's wearing taht shirt again. So it may very well be that the funeral for "whoever" is the intro for Beast. Since, in that scene, Jean's awakening Logan is wearing taht shirt. Furthermore, look at Beast's attire at the funeral -- note the blue/white striped tie -- and the tie he's wearing in the shot of him staring at the president.
It could be that Beast RETURNS to Washington after this -- only to discover more evil lurks about. This would have to be a Jean memorial, since the fire would symoblize that. And it'd explain why Kitty/Bobby/Rogue are all holding hands BEFORE the events that are to transpire occur that tear them apart.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:23 AM
I'm feeling this idea, just check what i said. Look at Beast's suit in the still when he's staring at the president in the trailer, and the JFK bust is in the background, and the suit and tie he has on at the funeral. They're identical.
Yes, another good point. Something about the whole thing just yells at me that it happens early in the film. One of the reasons that it doesn't make sense, to me, for them to have the memorial scene in the middle of the film for Xavier as rumored when it would be held should he die, is that all the bad guys would still be on the run. How much sense does it make for the the good guys just to stop in their tracks, put together this big shindig like this, which includes bringing in people from across the Atlantic (Moira), when the bad guys are still out causing havok and mayhem? Very little. And like you said, Angel isn't there, and we know he joins the team, so he would be there if it was at the end of the film.
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:26 AM
So we know that the funeral takes place in the beginning. Most likely for Jean. I too agree that this is for her. Whether or not she has been brought back yet is beyond me. But I think Jean's funeral is our Act I plot point.
Jean's up there, giving this speech, and then finds Logan down stairs. Could mean that Jean's going to go crazy on the crowds. Woah, this movie is going to be so energetic hopefully --
Meanwhile, Scott's missing. This would provide tension to them trying to figure out where he is. Hmm....who brings Jean back to the mansion?
God, I'm getting too excited now. ****.
I still don't see how we can prove the exact point in which the funeral takes place.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:32 AM
So we know that the funeral takes place in the beginning. Most likely for Jean. I too agree that this is for her. Whether or not she has been brought back yet is beyond me. But I think Jean's funeral is our Act I plot point.
Jean's up there, giving this speech, and then finds Logan down stairs. Could mean that Jean's going to go crazy on the crowds. Woah, this movie is going to be so energetic hopefully --
Meanwhile, Scott's missing. This would provide tension to them trying to figure out where he is. Hmm....who brings Jean back to the mansion?
God, I'm getting too excited now. ****.
I'm still sure that Logan is the one to bring her back. He goes up to the lake to try and convince Scott one last time to be a part of the memorial for Jean, hence the somewhat nice blue shirt he's wearing when he finds Scott's glasses, but finds Jean instead. Brings her back to the mansion, and changes into the maroon shirt we see him in that you mentioned because the blue one is all wet. This would happen before the memorial, but only Xavier and Logan know about it at that time. Everyone else learns she's alive when she breaks out.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:33 AM
I still don't see how we can prove the exact point in which the funeral takes place.
Logic and hypothetical resoning, my dear.
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:34 AM
I'm still sure that Logan is the one to bring her back. He goes up to the lake to try and convince Scott one last time to be a part of the memorial for Jean, hence the somewhat nice blue shirt he's wearing when he finds Scott's glasses, but finds Jean instead. Brings her back to the mansion, and changes into the maroon shirt we see him in that you mentioned because the blue one is all wet. This would happen before the memorial, but only Xavier and Logan know about it at that time. Everyone else learns she's alive when she breaks out.
My only problem with that is how fast he'd have to move. Plus, Storm is with him at the lake (remember the photo of her in that jumpsuit). So, they'd have to both go there.
See, this is what pisses me off about this movie. The chronology. Argh! It's so hard to decipher it all.
MoPlaYa
02-04-2006, 12:36 AM
Can someone post that pic of Juggs, Storm and Wolvie???? :)
Logic and hypothetical resoning, my dear.
I can use the same to prove that it happens at the end. And I'm pretty sure someone can do the same to defend the thought of it being in the middle.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:38 AM
My only problem with that is how fast he'd have to move. Plus, Storm is with him at the lake (remember the photo of her in that jumpsuit). So, they'd have to both go there.
See, this is what pisses me off about this movie. The chronology. Argh! It's so hard to decipher it all.
Well, not neccessarily. If he went up there early enough, then he could make it back in time before the eulogy started. But that Storm pic may throw a bit of a wrench in it. Maybe she's asked to go ahead with the eulogy as planned to keep people from panicing or something.
Yes, it is frustrating. But I still can't picture the memorial taking place anywhere else but in the beginning.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:39 AM
I can use the same to prove that it happens at the end. And I'm pretty sure someone can do the same to defend the thought of it being in the middle.
But we've already given reasons why it's NOT in either of those places, which would be hard to disprove.
But we've already given reasons why it's NOT in either of those places, which would be hard to disprove.
I'm reading back, and all I see are assumtions that can easily be disproved. It also doesn't make sense, and your logic for the service taking place at that point seems like bad story telling.
I do know who the memorial service is for. I'm not able to say who, as it will ruin the movie.
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:46 AM
I still don't see how we can prove the exact point in which the funeral takes place.
Okay, let's take a stab here to make it concise.
We've used a few variables to piece this together:
-- Clothing.
-- Trailer still/photos.
-- General knowledge of script.
Our two most telling aspects of clothing are:
-- Logan's rust-colored shirt and wifebeater.
-- Beast's dress attire and tie.
Other revealing facts:
-- Xavier absent at funeral.
-- Logan absent at funeral.
-- Scott absent at funeral.
-- Angel absent at funeral.
So, let's take the clothing facts.
It began when the photo of Storm holding Logan was shown, with Storm helping Logan up. Using the color of his shirt, we were able to place this with the scene in the trailer where Jean wakes up generally. Then, with a larger photo, we saw that Xavier was in there with Storm and Logan and that Storm is wearing a outfit very similiar to that in the funeral (though we have no way to actually pinpoint this since its black). This suggests that Xavier, Logan, and Storm are there when Jean wakes up, and if Storm is wearing the same outfit in the funeral scene, it'd explain the absence of Xavier and Logan, since they'd be done with Jean at this point.
Either way, it'd hold that Jean returns EARLY in the film and thus the funeral takes place early.
Okay. But we still have the problem of pinpointing Storm's outfit exactly, since it could be two different black outfits. We'll let's look at Beast then.
Now, move to Beast. Beast is at the funeral, wearing a pinstripped suit with a blue/white stripped tie. This tie is identical to the trailer shot where Beast is staring at the President off-screen, the JFK bust behind him. Thus, it'd suggest that Beast either goes from the White House to the funeral, or from the funeral to the White House. Either way, it'd suggest that the funeral takes place fairly early in the film.
Furthermore, look at the trailer where Logan sits in the background on a desk in Xavier's office, Beast's staring off camera. What color is Logan's shirt? Rust orange, the same shirt he wears when Jean wakes up, the same shirt he wears when Storm helps him up and Xavie'rs watching on. Now, I can't find the pic where Beast is talking to Logan and Storm and Xavier (from Wiz) but I think he's wearing the funeral outfit. So again, early in the film.
This is why we are placing it early in the film, with these characters involved. Also:
-- Angel is not present and he would be if it happened later.
-- Kitty, Rogue, and Bobby are holding hands, which makes no sense if this takes place AFTEr Rogue and Kitty begin flirting.
So, overall, this means a few things:
-- no confirmation that Xavier dies.
-- More proof Cyclops died, since he is absent.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:47 AM
I'm reading back, and all I see are assumtions that can easily be disproved. It also doesn't make sense, and your logic for the service taking place at that point seems like bad story telling.
I do know who the memorial service is for. I'm not able to say who, as it will ruin the movie.
But you're basing it all on stuff you-know-who has said, correct? And we know that she doesn't know that kind of stuff, and is even supplying fake pics.
Mar420x
02-04-2006, 12:50 AM
Can someone post that pic of Juggs, Storm and Wolvie???? :)
is this a new pic? havent seen it yet. But yea i believe the eulogy in the beginning is for jean. And I hate 2 say it but until i see more pics of cyclops i assume hes dead man in x3. Only 2 be resurrected by the phoenix @ the end. :)
WalkingDead
02-04-2006, 12:51 AM
My personal guess is it happens something like this:
Scott has talks with Logan, Xavier, and Ororo abotu leaving. Logan and Ororo try to stop him, Scott gets pissed. Eulogy is supposed to happen soon, friends, comrades, students, and others are gathering. Scott doesn't want to be a part of the eulogy and leaves, angry at Logan, Ororo, Xavier, and himself. Scott heads to Alkali Lake. Logan visits Jean's memorial stone before given instructions to go get Scott, which Logan probably wants to do anyways in reality.
Logan and Ororo go after him at Xavier's instructions. Scott is at the Lake, spilling his guts out, angry, hurt, and all but completely out of it. He screams at himself and the whole situation. Then he fires off a shot over the Lake as a last memorial for Jean.
Jean awakens as Ororo and Logan get there. Jean has her moment with Scott, very touching and emotional. She "kills" him (this could be a true death or not, unknown). Logan, who goes out for Scott first, sees this happen. Jean passes out from her newfound powers. Ororo comes up a bit later, after Logan catches Scott's glasses in the air. Ororo and Logan take Jean back to the Mansion.
Xavier wants to examine Jean and lets Ororo carry on with the eulogy. Logan goes to Jean in the medlab after Xavier leaves and Jean awakens and goes apes**t on him for whatever reasons. Jean leaves. As the eulogy is about over with, Jean makes a big surprise return for all those gathered at her memorial. Jean flies off, Xavier knows where she is going. Ororo goes and checks on Logan who has been absent. Ororo finds Logan unconscious or barely-conscious. Xavier then comes in and tells them they need to go to Jean's old childhood home.
That's just my guess on things...
bosef982
02-04-2006, 12:53 AM
My personal guess is it happens something like this:
Scott has talsk with Logan, Xavier, and Ororo abotu leaving. Logan and Ororo try to stop him, Scott gets pissed. Eulogy is supposed to happen soon, friends, comrades, students, and others are gathering. Scott doesn't want to be a part of the eulogy and leaves, angry at Logan, Ororo, Xavier, and himself. Scott heads to Alkali Lake. Logan visits Jean's memorial stone before given instructions to go get Scott, which Logan probably wants to do anyways in reality.
Logan and Ororo go after him at Xavier's instructions. Scott is at the Lake, spilling his guts out, angry, hurt, and all but completely out of it. He screams at himself and the whole situation. Then he fires off a shot over the Lake as a last memorial for Jean.
Jean awakens as Ororo and Logan get there. Jean has her moment with Scott, very touching and emotional. She "kills" him (this could be a true death or not, unknown). Logan, who goes out for Scott first, sees this happen. Jean passes out from her newfound powers. Ororo comes up a bit later, after Logan catches Scott's glasses in the air. Ororo and Logan take Jean back to the Mansion.
Xavier wants to examine Jean and lets Ororo carry on with the eulogy. Logan goes to Jean in the medlab after Xavier leaves and Jean awakens and goes apes**t on him for whatever reasons. Jean leaves. As the eulogy is about over with, Jean makes a big surprise return for all those gathered at her memorial. Jean flies off, Xavier knows where she is going. Ororo goes and checks on Logan who has been absent. Ororo finds Logan unconscious or barely-conscious. Xavier then comes in and tells them they need to go to Jean's old childhood home.
That's just my guess on things...
Makes alot of sense.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:55 AM
^ I agree.
It began when the photo of Storm holding Logan was shown, with Storm helping Logan up. Using the color of his shirt, we were able to place this with the scene in the trailer where Jean wakes up generally. Then, with a larger photo, we saw that Xavier was in there with Storm and Logan and that Storm is wearing a outfit very similiar to that in the funeral (though we have no way to actually pinpoint this since its black). This suggests that Xavier, Logan, and Storm are there when Jean wakes up, and if Storm is wearing the same outfit in the funeral scene, it'd explain the absence of Xavier and Logan, since they'd be done with Jean at this point.
Check the Xverse. Storm is waering something totally different at the memorial service.
Now, move to Beast. Beast is at the funeral, wearing a pinstripped suit with a blue/white stripped tie. This tie is identical to the trailer shot where Beast is staring at the President off-screen, the JFK bust behind him. Thus, it'd suggest that Beast either goes from the White House to the funeral, or from the funeral to the White House. Either way, it'd suggest that the funeral takes place fairly early in the film.
But how do we know that the shot of Beast w/ the JFK bust isn't toward the end? The suit he has on then and the suit he wears at the service are very similar. But, if you check out the latest Wizard magazine you'll see Beast is with the President in an entirely different suit. This suggests that he meets with the president multiple times.
Furthermore, look at the trailer where Logan sits in the background on a desk in Xavier's office, Beast's staring off camera. What color is Logan's shirt? Rust orange, the same shirt he wears when Jean wakes up, the same shirt he wears when Storm helps him up and Xavie'rs watching on. Now, I can't find the pic where Beast is talking to Logan and Storm and Xavier (from Wiz) but I think he's wearing the funeral outfit. So again, early in the film.
The funeral outfit is different. He has a jacket on.
bosef982
02-04-2006, 01:00 AM
Check the Xverse. Storm is waering something totally different at the memorial service.
But how do we know that the shot of Beast w/ the JFK bust isn't toward the end? The suit he has on then and the suit he wears at the service are very similar. But, if you check out the latest Wizard magazine you'll see Beast is with the President in an entirely different suit. This suggests that he meets with the president multiple times.
The funeral outfit is different. He has a jacket on.
We'll see. Did you get my PM?
Specter313
02-04-2006, 01:01 AM
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8387/eulogyroro5mc7ms.jpg
Then this only really takes me back to one of my original theories that the eulogy takes place before they find Jean, or well before Jean wakes up.
bosef982
02-04-2006, 01:03 AM
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8387/eulogyroro5mc7ms.jpg
Then this only really takes me back to one of my original theories that the eulogy takes place before they find Jean, or well before Jean wakes up.
Sigh. Well, I guess Storm likes a lot of black clothing.
We'll see. Did you get my PM?
Did you get mine? ;)
bosef982
02-04-2006, 01:10 AM
Did you get mine? ;)
Yea. Check yours again.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 01:10 AM
And I get left out in the cold again...
bosef982
02-04-2006, 01:14 AM
And I get left out in the cold again...
Actually, it had nothing to do with this. I don't know if you know, but both JP and I are gay. I had written a paper concerning Magneto and homosexuality and was having him take a peek at it.
Don't fret.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 01:15 AM
Actually, it had nothing to do with this. I don't know if you know, but both JP and I are gay. I had written a paper concerning Magneto and homosexuality and was having him take a peek at it.
Don't fret.
Ok then. Also, here's this:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9435/angelpromo5in8hz.jpg
WalkingDead
02-04-2006, 01:18 AM
So JP, does my theory/guess of what might happen work? Or is it just totally wrong...probably wrong, but whatever.
Having this discussion made me realize how simplistic X1 and 2 are. The time span for each film individualy is about 1-3 days. But X3 seems to take place over a long period of time. Ever photo I see, Halle and Hugh have different clothes on, or they're in a new location. I just can't seem to balance it all. And I think atempting to will only make your head spin.
:(
JustABill
02-04-2006, 02:06 AM
Hmm. Gina keeps supplying pics like this and soon will have the entire movie frame by frame in stills.
cookiva
02-04-2006, 02:23 AM
Hey, I just noticed this. Why is this guy wearing a hoodie to the funeral, and why is he in the back? Could this be someone trying to hide? Spy? Magneto? Whats going on with THIS GUY!?!?!?
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1687/blurg1is.jpg
Retroman
02-04-2006, 02:26 AM
:eek: Awesome pics!!:up: :up:
Specter313
02-04-2006, 02:30 AM
Hey, I just noticed this. Why is this guy wearing a hoodie to the funeral, and why is he in the back? Could this be someone trying to hide? Spy? Magneto? Whats going on with THIS GUY!?!?!?
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1687/blurg1is.jpg
I just checked out a higher res version of that, and that guy is the one with the mega-dreadlocks.
See:
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4492/9230842398402385aq.jpg
Nightwing
02-04-2006, 02:34 AM
Hey, I just noticed this. Why is this guy wearing a hoodie to the funeral, and why is he in the back? Could this be someone trying to hide? Spy? Magneto? Whats going on with THIS GUY!?!?!?
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1687/blurg1is.jpg
Maybe he could be a mutant that has to protect himself from the sun light? So the hood could serve as a shield, like Rouge when she wears gloves since she can't touch anyone. Though when I look at it, it looks like he/she has hair. In the front row you can see Bobby, Kitty, and Rogue. There was an upclose hot of them three and in the back you can see a student with long hair/dread locks (believed to be Bishop by some) so maybe it's him. I dont think it's a spy and etc....
Can anyone zoom into it?
cookiva
02-04-2006, 02:36 AM
Ah, thanks specs!
Specter313
02-04-2006, 02:36 AM
Welcome!
Nightwing
02-04-2006, 02:36 AM
edit.
Nightwing
02-04-2006, 02:45 AM
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8387/eulogyroro5mc7ms.jpg
Then this only really takes me back to one of my original theories that the eulogy takes place before they find Jean, or well before Jean wakes up.
Great pic.
Retroman
02-04-2006, 02:57 AM
I just checked out a higher res version of that, and that guy is the one with the mega-dreadlocks.
See:
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4492/9230842398402385aq.jpg
I wonder who the girl is beside the guy with the dreads??Hmmm...
Ashlyn Dixon?
JustABill
02-04-2006, 02:58 AM
It's Bishop and Shard of course! :eek:
MoPlaYa
02-04-2006, 03:32 AM
Shard has short blonde hair...
MoPlaYa
02-04-2006, 03:34 AM
Now we just a need a pic of Juggs, Wolverine and Storm...PLZ!! :)
Jan Irisi
02-04-2006, 07:35 AM
GO STEELERS!!!!! :mad::up:
http://bestsmileys.com/happy/7.gif WOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan Irisi
02-04-2006, 07:39 AM
Oh, and GO SEAHAWKS!!! (sorry, I'm from northern Ohio, it's like a rule you have to hate the Steelers)
http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/14.gif
RedIsNotBlue
02-04-2006, 07:41 AM
Go Mariners!
Jan Irisi
02-04-2006, 07:42 AM
Go Mariners!
Now you're just being silly...... :p
YAVANNA
02-04-2006, 08:13 AM
can someone put all wolverine's pics with the red shirt toguether? that could help a lot, and all the ones with the blue shirt too!
Electrix
02-04-2006, 08:54 AM
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/435/tombstones9op.jpg
Is this image real? It was in the Caption Thread..
MoiBijou
02-04-2006, 08:58 AM
Nah, fake. Look at the grave letters, they're made of computer fonts.
Electrix
02-04-2006, 08:59 AM
Ah good.
squeekness
02-04-2006, 09:00 AM
Yeah, it looks hokey to me, too.
MoiBijou
02-04-2006, 09:04 AM
Some people here defend they're real because the background looks very similar to the garden where the memorial takes place, but those letters are fake surely.
It's one of the pice You-Know-Who released to their friends.
SlimDayspring
02-04-2006, 09:48 AM
My only problem with that is how fast he'd have to move. Plus, Storm is with him at the lake (remember the photo of her in that jumpsuit). So, they'd have to both go there.
See, this is what pisses me off about this movie. The chronology. Argh! It's so hard to decipher it all.
Logan could go to Alkali Lake at the beginning, some time before the memorial service, and find Jean and Scott's glasses. Ororo could go to Alkali Lake later on, and find Scott. It would explain why she's in uniform and Wolverine's not.
JeanGrey[GR]
02-04-2006, 10:04 AM
so i have the angel photo without the tattoos!
photo shopped by me!
enjoy!
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5774/angel95al.jpg
-JeanGrey[GR]:xmen:
astonishingcyke
02-04-2006, 11:08 AM
yeah those have to be fake, they wouldnt be that simple; there would be dates of birth and death, along with an epitaph of some sort
cathou
02-04-2006, 11:35 AM
Anyway...we see Jean tomb in the teaser and she don't look like this!
Jan Irisi
02-04-2006, 11:42 AM
']so i have the angel photo without the tattoos!
photo shopped by me!
enjoy!
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5774/angel95al.jpg
-JeanGrey[GR]:xmen:
Chest looks like it was waxed. Grow some chest hair man!!!!!!
Karea07
02-04-2006, 11:44 AM
His nipples look funny :confused: :p
lordofthenerds
02-04-2006, 11:49 AM
His nipples look funny :confused: :p
Yeah they look slanted and droopy. lol.
Some people here defend they're real because the background looks very similar to the garden where the memorial takes place, but those letters are fake surely.
It's one of the pice You-Know-Who released to their friends.
Zoom in on the letters and you'll see that they're anything but fake.
And the background isn't similar to the garden in the teaser. It IS the garden in the teaser.
MoiBijou
02-04-2006, 11:55 AM
Zoom in on the letters and you'll see that they're anything but fake.
And the background isn't similar to the garden in the teaser. It IS the garden in the teaser.
I want to believe (and I do believe) they're fake, sweet JP. :)
Specter313
02-04-2006, 11:57 AM
http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/14.gif
http://www.funnycelebpics.com/items/66.jpg
:D
I want to believe (and I do believe) they're fake, sweet JP. :)
Sure thing. ;)
lordofthenerds
02-04-2006, 12:02 PM
Was that gravestone pic posted in Xavier's Office or something becasue I never saw it in the Xverse forums? I'm not sure if it is fake or not. The letters look a bit fake but everything else looks real.
Boba_Fett_123
02-04-2006, 12:04 PM
They look too plain to be real. I'm not buying it, regardless of what Gina's entourage insists.
Karea07
02-04-2006, 12:06 PM
This Gina trick is causing way too much commotion!
'Ginas entourage'? You guys are funny. :rolleyes:
Anyway, if you look at the head stones pic you will see that next to Scott there is another stone that is cut of. That very stone was shown in the teaser in the center of the memorial service.
Karea07
02-04-2006, 12:08 PM
Is that Xaviers stone?
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:08 PM
And? Just because that is there doesn't mean that those two are real.
Boba_Fett_123
02-04-2006, 12:11 PM
Not all of these pics and information are going to be true, and without more proof than an unconvincing photo, I'm not going to believe it. This is the same person that wants us to believe Ken Leung is Sunfire, but won't give any reason as to why, and only *****es that people don't believe her when she's asked for proof. :down :o
And? Just because that is there doesn't mean that those two are real.
Well, say what you want about those two, but the one from the teaser is very much real. So, if those two stones sit next to that big one then who's are they? You obviously don't believe it's Scott and Jeans, so then who does it belong to?
And, let it be know that Gina never 'released' this image anywhere. She only showed it via PM to those who asked. It just so happens that some jackass posted it in the Captions thread because he was angry with her, thus starting this whole argument.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:15 PM
Well, say what you want about those two, but the one from the teaser is very much real. So, if those two stones sit next to that big one then who's are they? You obviously don't believe it's Scott and Jeans, so then who does it belong to?
That they're fake. They belong to no one. We already know the names are fake, so take those away, and they have nothing on them. Which only lead me to believe that either Gina put the pic together herself, removing something else that was in the pic and put the stones in, or she got hold of a pic that was meant to mislead and finished it up herself.
You guys love conspiracy theories don't you?
Boba_Fett_123
02-04-2006, 12:19 PM
The big one from the teaser is real. But if those other two were real, they would be flanking the big one. They wouldn't both be off to one side; that's bad design and framing. Neither of those stones is visible in the shot from the teaser, leading me to believe they were added in Photoshop by whomever made this picture. And in any case, would they really put an X on the gravestones? That's just tacky.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:27 PM
You guys love conspiracy theories don't you?
She's given us no reason to trust her, why should we start now?
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9664/rolo34hd4ct.jpg
Hah,they got caught making out.
Blackpanther22
02-04-2006, 12:39 PM
That pic support my make-out theory! :D
MemnochZERO
02-04-2006, 12:40 PM
More like they were trying to come up with a 'new' Fastball Special...
Karea07
02-04-2006, 12:41 PM
Storm is probably helping Wolvie and Xavier is telling them what happened... something bad, and they have to go out and get Jean or something.
Storm is probably helping Wolvie and Xavier is telling them what happened... something bad, and they have to go out and get Jean or something.
I came up with a similar theory yesterday. Storm has a worried look on her face. She looks like she is helping Logan up from the floor. My guess is that this happens after Jean wakes up and most likely tears Logan a new one. Xavier and Storm rush to his help. Logan tries to explain what just happened. And that would explain the 'WTF?' expressions on their faces.
Jan Irisi
02-04-2006, 12:45 PM
http://www.funnycelebpics.com/items/66.jpg
:D
You son of a..............
http://bestsmileys.com/scared/8.gif
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:47 PM
Oh, Jan, you like that pic, you know it. :D :D
Is that Chris Farely with Toms face?
Jan Irisi
02-04-2006, 12:48 PM
I came up with a similar theory yesterday. Storm has a worried look on her face. She looks like she is helping Logan up from the floor. My guess is that this happens after Jean wakes up and most likely tears Logan a new one. Xavier and Storm rush to his help. Logan tries to explain what just happened. And that would explain the 'WTF?' expressions on their faces.
I came up with that quite a few days ago. But some thought I was mad....they were WRONG!!!!
Karea07
02-04-2006, 12:49 PM
I came up with a similar theory yesterday. Storm has a worried look on her face. She looks like she is helping Logan up from the floor. My guess is that this happens after Jean wakes up and most likely tears Logan a new one. Xavier and Storm rush to his help. Logan tries to explain what just happened. And that would explain the 'WTF?' expressions on their faces.
sounds about right! :up: where is the pic in your avatar from? I swear, new pictures are out like every two hours now and I haven't seen half of them. :(
I came up with that quite a few days ago. But some thought I was mad....they were WRONG!!!!
I think you and I.. are right. :o :up:
..or close enough.
Jan Irisi
02-04-2006, 12:50 PM
Oh, Jan, you like that pic, you know it. :D :D
Keep it up......
I'm in a real good mood, you don't want to cross me....no....you really don't want to cross me...... http://bestsmileys.com/cartoon/11.gif
Specter313
02-04-2006, 12:52 PM
Awww, come on. Considering the last time I put it up, you couldn't look at it without bursting into fits of laughter, I thought you'd get a kick out of it again.
Jan Irisi
02-04-2006, 01:06 PM
Awww, come on. Considering the last time I put it up, you couldn't look at it without bursting into fits of laughter, I thought you'd get a kick out of it again.
It just makes me nauseous now. :(
What did he do to that poor girl????
*ahem*
Anyway BOT.....PHOTO ALBUM!!! YEAH!!!!! Um.....yeah...........
Blackpanther22
02-04-2006, 01:26 PM
I have another theory on that pic? What if it's after the DR scene? The one where Storm spins and saves Wolvie and Xavier maybe stops the simulation for a lecture, or to tell them something important (like Jean's awake, or Beast has arrived - reference to the pic with all of them standing)? It would explain why they're both on the floor and hanging to each other like that. It would also explain the background.
PWN3R
02-04-2006, 01:44 PM
I have another theory on that pic? What if it's after the DR scene? The one where Storm spins and saves Wolvie and Xavier maybe stops the simulation for a lecture, or to tell them something important (like Jean's awake, or Beast has arrived - reference to the pic with all of them standing)? It would explain why they're both on the floor and hanging to each other like that. It would also explain the background.
After DR scene? Did'nt both of them have different clothes on?
Storm22
02-04-2006, 01:46 PM
My God, alot has happened since yesterday in this thread! Anyway dunno if it's already been said but when asked over at xverse.com about the pic with, what looks like, Angel wearing Cyclops X uniform, Kinberg said Angel doesn't actually wear Cyclops' suit. Dunno if that means Angel's suit is similar to Scott's but not actually Scott's or that Angel doesn't actually wear an X suit in the movie, hmmm.
Blackpanther22
02-04-2006, 01:50 PM
Double post sorry. See below.
Blackpanther22
02-04-2006, 01:51 PM
After DR scene? Did'nt both of them have different clothes on?
Halle is wearing black, and Hugh does have jacket or shirt of some sort in that scene. However Hugh doesn't have a the red shirt on when he is with Phoenix. His arms are bare.
CapBeerCino
02-04-2006, 02:07 PM
This Gina trick is causing way too much commotion!
Laugh it out, but in the mean time she got exactly what she wanted- there isn't a user on this board who doesn't know her name.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 02:24 PM
Laugh it out, but in the mean time she got exactly what she wanted- there isn't a user on this board who doesn't know her name.
No, what she wants is people to bow down before her, but most of us with brains know that she's full of crap.
Robodeek
02-04-2006, 04:08 PM
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/8269/dots0qv.jpg
This one's new to me. Check out the dots. I guess Pete will be getting Hard with Marie in the trenches.
WalkingDead
02-04-2006, 04:10 PM
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/8269/dots0qv.jpg
This one's new to me. Check out the dots. I guess Pete will be getting Hard with Marie in the trenches.
"Getting Hard with Marie in the trenches" hahah...so funny.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 04:12 PM
Nope, we've got that one a way's back I believe.
Avalanche
02-04-2006, 04:20 PM
My God, alot has happened since yesterday in this thread! Anyway dunno if it's already been said but when asked over at xverse.com about the pic with, what looks like, Angel wearing Cyclops X uniform, Kinberg said Angel doesn't actually wear Cyclops' suit. Dunno if that means Angel's suit is similar to Scott's but not actually Scott's or that Angel doesn't actually wear an X suit in the movie, hmmm.
Did people ever actually genuinely believe they were going to give Angel Cyclops' costume? Sure, they're similar, but I don't think it's very likely they'd throw Angel into a dead man's costume.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 04:22 PM
Did people ever actually genuinely believe they were going to give Angel Cyclops' costume? Sure, they're similar, but I don't think it's very likely they'd throw Angel into a dead man's costume.
Exactly. Which is why I'd hoped that they'd still have slightly individual costumes like what they did with Iceman's in X2. But the only differences they've stuck with is the piping colors.
CapBeerCino
02-04-2006, 04:24 PM
Did people ever actually genuinely believe they were going to give Angel Cyclops' costume? Sure, they're similar, but I don't think it's very likely they'd throw Angel into a dead man's costume.
Hey! No one said Cyke is dead just yet.;) And that pic looked phony, now that he said he never heard of it- oh well :o
PWN3R
02-04-2006, 04:29 PM
^^Amen to that, Cyke will prevail!!
I personally hope that Angel pic was just a test shoot or something, I mean why would you ever want to fly in a big leather/heavy suit? IMO
S7ilver
02-04-2006, 05:09 PM
Did people ever actually genuinely believe they were going to give Angel Cyclops' costume? Sure, they're similar, but I don't think it's very likely they'd throw Angel into a dead man's costume.
I know, if Cyclops dies I doubt they'd be that heartless and be like,
"Oh, Cyclops just got vaporized, I guess you can take his suit. He won't be needing it anymore"
Unless they've stretched the bugdet that much that they can't get another suit which I wouldn't believe..
Mister Sinister
02-04-2006, 05:12 PM
http://www.canmag.com/images/front/xmen/beast4.jpg
http://www.canmag.com/images/front/xmen/beast5.jpg
Avalanche
02-04-2006, 05:30 PM
http://www.canmag.com/images/front/xmen/beast4.jpg
http://www.canmag.com/images/front/xmen/beast5.jpg
I kind of prefer the first, non-movie edited style of shot. The colouring anyway. Bright blue Beast just looks so...blah.
MemnochZERO
02-04-2006, 05:39 PM
A week or so ago a poster posted an 'in progress' image they had done of what they'd want Angel's costume to look like, it was pretty cool. it was stil black leather, but had cool white piping and Angel's halo worked into the chest.
It's something i hope the costume department would do if they're giving Angel and X-uniform at the end liek they did with iceman and Rogue at the end of X2.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 05:46 PM
A week or so ago a poster posted an 'in progress' image they had done of what they'd want Angel's costume to look like, it was pretty cool. it was stil black leather, but had cool white piping and Angel's halo worked into the chest.
It's something i hope the costume department would do if they're giving Angel and X-uniform at the end liek they did with iceman and Rogue at the end of X2.
I think that was a fan art and not something really for the movie.
MemnochZERO
02-04-2006, 05:54 PM
Oh i know it was fan art, i was saying i hope the real deal is something close. Last thing i need to see is another X on someone's chest, i'd rather see something that speaks to the character, like the ice design on Iceman, or the comic, like the stripes on Wolverine.
Halo = Angel = halo = Me very happy.
I also think it might be a decent idea to give him short sleeves instead of long ones. Just to shake it up a bit.
Anyway, if you look at the head stones pic you will see that next to Scott there is another stone that is cut of. That very stone was shown in the teaser in the center of the memorial service.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/435/tombstones9op.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1687/blurg1is.jpg
Someone's already said it so need to explain here.
S7ilver
02-04-2006, 06:07 PM
http://www.canmag.com/images/front/xmen/beast5.jpg
Ew, I just really hate how Beast looks, when I saw the trailer in the theaters I was wondering if anyone was going to make a remark about Kelsey. He really takes away from the drama of the movie, it's hard to take him seriously.
MoPlaYa
02-04-2006, 06:28 PM
I dont think any of us can really judge how Kelsey Grammer looks and acts as Beast...In the trailer we never heard him speak and never really got to see him in moving or anything....Hopefully with the next trailer we will hear and see more
HexualCirce
02-04-2006, 06:37 PM
Where's the pic of Storm and Wolverine facing Juggs? I see it in some one's avy yet not any where else....
pyromaniac
02-04-2006, 07:22 PM
Who's to say that wouldn't be her introduction in the movie-verse? A scene like that would work just as well as any other to introduce her. And who says that Beast would have rejoined the team by then? That's nothing but speculation. It's as true as my guess that he's just come back to show his respects to his friend. As for Iceman and Kitty, we don't know how long the timeframe has been between the two movies, so something like that could easily have started off screen in that time period.
Everything is speculation, folks.
Although I'll have to amend how amusing it is a little to see that kind of impassioned, but necessary discussion rife with the logistics of the funeral scene that seems to have affected everything else, because we still are never able to unmask this conspiracy once and for all.
Now, onto it -
About Moira: but wouldn't she have to be established with ties to Xavier...? I don't know if it's true but I remember hearing that there would be a degree of incremental segment involving both McTaggert and Xavier at one point in the film... That she is hinted to be his former flame. That's only if the funeral, in accordance with my line of thinking (though of course that can be easily, unequivocally debated), were to transpire near the end, and that therefore, Xavier is not dead (by that point, that is). You say the funeral might be her introduction to those familiar and not familiar with her alike. The funeral doesn't seem the best memento for such introductions.
Iceman and Kitty - okay, but you need to exhibit why as to why they might have to kindle their interests in each other.
By the way, that reminds me - for those who've made a stoic attempt at a semblance of chronology: I recall Kitty staring ponderously at a memorial afterwards, and Storm in the role of nurturing, comforting mother in this quiet, bonding, private moment. Storm wouldn't have gone to Alkali Lake immediately, my assumption is that this scene surely would take place sometime after the funeral...?
If Kitty were further assumed to beg questions pertaining to the death(s) of whomever she was viewing, we also have to review as to what kind of relationship she might have had with the deceased that would have prompted such an exchange between Storm and Kitty.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 07:36 PM
About Moira: but wouldn't she have to be established with ties to Xavier...? I don't know if it's true but I remember hearing that there would be a degree of incremental segment involving both McTaggert and Xavier at one point in the film... That she is hinted to be his former flame. That's only if the funeral, in accordance with my line of thinking (though of course that can be easily, unequivocally debated), were to transpire near the end, and that therefore, Xavier is not dead (by that point, that is). You say the funeral might be her introduction to those familiar and not familiar with her alike. The funeral doesn't seem the best memento for such introductions.
That's why I'm saying it's for Jean's "death" from the end of X2, and thatit happens early in the film. Moira would have come there to be a part of the remembrance of the girl that she watched grow up with the X-Men due to her longstanding ties to Xavier, and to comfort her old friend. After the memorial is over is when we start to get her story.
Iceman and Kitty - okay, but you need to exhibit why as to why they might have to kindle their interests in each other.
And they would get to that later. You don't have to have everything explained to you in order you know. We would see them lightly flirting with each other with the handholding then, but then get an explaination in a later, more heated, scene.
By the way, that reminds me - for those who've made a stoic attempt at a semblance of chronology: I recall Kitty staring ponderously at a memorial afterwards, and Storm in the role of nurturing, comforting mother in this quiet, bonding, private moment. Storm wouldn't have gone to Alkali Lake immediately, my assumption is that this scene surely would take place sometime after the funeral...?
If Kitty were further assumed to beg questions pertaining to the death(s) of whomever she was viewing, we also have to review as to what kind of relationship she might have had with the deceased that would have prompted such an exchange between Storm and Kitty.
The only time we've seen a pic of Kitty and Storm comforting each other, we don't know if it has anything to do with the grave stone. All we know is that it takes place outside. It could take place any time. Early in the movie at a later time of day that the memorial was held in that Kitty just wanted to go back to the stone to share more memories and Storm finds her there. Or it could happen at the end, with Kitty visiting the stone to reminisce over everything that had happened during the film.
gap5ewl
02-04-2006, 07:42 PM
I never realized this. What if this funeral is at the beginning of the film for Jean Grey? They still think she's dead in in the beginning of x3 so they probally decided to have a memorial service for her finally. Iit doesnt explain why Prof. X isnt present. However, it would explain why Cyclops and Wolverine were absent. Plus if you remember, the pic of Anna and Kitty still fighting over Bobby when both are holding his hand, that just doesn't seem like it would be at the end of the film but at the beginning because you would think it would be resolved by then and rogue wouldnt just sit there and give an evil grin.
xwolverine2
02-04-2006, 07:46 PM
happy ending?
VinnieB
02-04-2006, 07:50 PM
Is still think the funeral will take place later one as the pic of Iceman comforting Kitty and Rogue looks like character wise this happens in the middle or towards the end becasue of this also think the funeral will be just before the big fight the xmen will be fighting for XAVIER and what he belived in.
narrows101
02-04-2006, 07:55 PM
Vinnie Jones and Hugh on the Swordfish set.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a199/narrows101/hughfaitlecon28bu.jpg
Karea07
02-04-2006, 07:55 PM
Vinnie was in Swordfish with Hugh and Halle? Cool. :up:
Specter313
02-04-2006, 07:56 PM
Is still think the funeral will take place later one as the pic of Iceman comforting Kitty and Rogue looks like character wise this happens in the middle or towards the end becasue of this also think the funeral will be just before the big fight the xmen will be fighting for XAVIER and what he belived in.
But it makes no sense just to stop in the middle of things and have a big funeral like that.
xwolverine2
02-04-2006, 07:56 PM
Vinnie Looks Like The Joker!!!
pyromaniac
02-04-2006, 08:29 PM
That's why I'm saying it's for Jean's "death" from the end of X2, and thatit happens early in the film. Moira would have come there to be a part of the remembrance of the girl that she watched grow up with the X-Men due to her longstanding ties to Xavier, and to comfort her old friend. After the memorial is over is when we start to get her story.
And they would get to that later. You don't have to have everything explained to you in order you know. We would see them lightly flirting with each other with the handholding then, but then get an explaination in a later, more heated, scene.
The only time we've seen a pic of Kitty and Storm comforting each other, we don't know if it has anything to do with the grave stone. All we know is that it takes place outside. It could take place any time. Early in the movie at a later time of day that the memorial was held in that Kitty just wanted to go back to the stone to share more memories and Storm finds her there. Or it could happen at the end, with Kitty visiting the stone to reminisce over everything that had happened during the film.
Fair enough. Just throwing things out.
Way you explained it, makes enough sense, and now I think about it, I should've thought things through a little more. :p
But I did like the possibility that the implications of Bobby and Kitty's relationship would manifest themselves in a very discreet way at the beginning, lending themselves to a moment of surprise from the audience, particularly that the common public would have already been familiar with the relationship of Bobby and Rogue (though it's about due time for Rogue to gone... well, rogue :p). I like that: show first, tell later. Gives the audience the benefit of the doubt as to their enquiring intellect.
There are just some things (perhaps a lot of things actually, in general) where it doesn't have to be a radio play per se.
Besides that, I will stand with you that the funeral is for Jean's. They did show this in the teaser after all. It would also create a paradox of dramatic irony whereupon the resurrection of Jean Grey would have occurred at some point, very likely from near the beginning.
Storm22
02-04-2006, 08:30 PM
Just announced by the mods on xverse.com......
All unauthorised pics are being removed from the boards at the request of the "lawful copyright holder". Interesting! Request from Fox? About time!!
lordofthenerds
02-04-2006, 08:30 PM
Well it seems like Ted and Matt have banned the images from Gina. She probably won't be posting on the Xverse forums anymore.
http://www.thexverse.com/community/showthread.php?t=153
JustABill
02-04-2006, 08:34 PM
Hmm...so it has begun.
xwolverine2
02-04-2006, 08:35 PM
Just announced by the mods on xverse.com......
All unauthorised pics are being removed from the boards at the request of the "lawful copyright holder". Interesting! Request from Fox? About time!!
YES!its about f******* time!....i thought fox was gonna let people ruin the movie....
fox took longer than FEMA:)
Storm22
02-04-2006, 08:36 PM
It's good news, I was too weak to stop myself looking at the new photo's but at least now we won't be spoiled rotten, ie. have every frame of the movie before it comes out!
YAVANNA
02-04-2006, 08:37 PM
Vinnie was in Swordfish with Hugh and Halle? Cool. :up:
Here:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/ramcibella/Cosas%20Varias%20Para%20Postear/9b1f2603.jpg
PhoenixRise
02-04-2006, 08:37 PM
This makes me wonder if the whole Kinberg and Penn interviews were even legit.
Storm22
02-04-2006, 08:38 PM
They are legit. In fact they could well be the ones who, rightly, alerted Fox about those images.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 08:39 PM
Well it seems like Ted and Matt have banned the images from Gina. She probably won't be posting on the Xverse forums anymore.
http://www.thexverse.com/community/showthread.php?t=153
Oh, they took care of her too.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 08:41 PM
This makes me wonder if the whole Kinberg and Penn interviews were even legit.
They're legit. They had absolutely nothing to do with Gina or her pics.
pyromaniac
02-04-2006, 08:41 PM
This makes me wonder if the whole Kinberg and Penn interviews were even legit.
:rolleyes:
Just because it becomes a part of 'guilt by association' mentality doesn't mean it's automatically always proven.
Anyway, happy to hear the news. Wonder how Matt and Ted and the defenders feel now...
Specter313
02-04-2006, 08:43 PM
:rolleyes:
Just because it becomes a part of 'guilt by association' mentality doesn't mean it's automatically always proven.
Anyway, happy to hear the news. Wonder how Matt and Ted and the defenders feel now...
Ted and Matt have never defended her. They never showed any feelings towards her one way or the other over there.
pyromaniac
02-04-2006, 08:43 PM
They are legit. In fact they could well be the ones who, rightly, alerted Fox about those images.
But that widely-lambasted fake review was quickly acknowledged by key members of the Fox and X3 production, but the source was never followed up...?
pyromaniac
02-04-2006, 08:44 PM
Ted and Matt have never defended her. They never showed any feelings towards her one way or the other over there.
I don't purport to know the full story, but the bias of many other fellow Xverse members who posted here did suggest otherwise.
lordofthenerds
02-04-2006, 08:46 PM
Ted and Matt have never defended her. They never showed any feelings towards her one way or the other over there.
Yup, they didn't defend anybody. I'm glad that this happened. The Xverse forums were starting to get really annoying. All those Gina worshipers...
Storm22
02-04-2006, 08:48 PM
Although It was nice getting photos while it lasted, it couldn't have gone on any longer!
xwolverine2
02-04-2006, 08:52 PM
feel the wrath of fox.......
Specter313
02-04-2006, 08:53 PM
I don't purport to know the full story, but the bias of many other fellow Xverse members who posted here did suggest otherwise.
Trust me, they have not done anything to show any kind of bias towards her. Infact, they generally avoided the whole thing except to just stop arguments from going down.
I knew it was coming, and thank God! It was fun while it lasted but geesh, I felt like I was spoiling the movie for myself.
pyromaniac
02-04-2006, 08:54 PM
Yup, they didn't defend anybody. I'm glad that this happened. The Xverse forums were starting to get really annoying. All those Gina worshippers...
That's what I meant by that.
Though I had the impression that Ted and Matt were defending the images more than the instigator herself; ie allowing their presence...?
pyromaniac
02-04-2006, 08:55 PM
Trust me, they have not done anything to show any kind of bias towards her. Infact, they generally avoided the whole thing except to just stop arguments from going down.
Ah, but I was talking about the more prevalent camp of the enlightened.
lordofthenerds
02-04-2006, 08:59 PM
That's what I meant by that.
Though I had the impression that Ted and Matt were defending the images more than the instigator herself; ie allowing their presence...?
Probably they were. But they never said it on the forums. I got a big impression that they were defending the images when they secretly allowed certain users to view Xavier's Office on the Xverse forums.
Hugh'sMrs
02-04-2006, 09:02 PM
Wait! If Fox asked for their photos to be removed that must mean they were real and not photoshopped like we thought. Right? :eek:
gap5ewl
02-04-2006, 09:04 PM
Wait! If Fox asked for their photos to be removed that must mean they were real and not photoshopped like we thought. Right? :eek:
wow funny joke..lol. yeah it was boutn to happen sooner but hey i think this fed our appetite fpr now ehh? the next month is going to be dry so at least will have these images fresh in our minds.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 09:04 PM
Wait! If Fox asked for their photos to be removed that must mean they were real and not photoshopped like we thought. Right? :eek:
No, Gina still could have changed several of them around to suit her story(and it's obvious she did with a couple of them). But they were still originally property of Fox, so they'd want them taken down regardless.
Storm22
02-04-2006, 09:04 PM
Obviously the photos will be removed from here too so?
lordofthenerds
02-04-2006, 09:05 PM
Wait! If Fox asked for their photos to be removed that must mean they were real and not photoshopped like we thought. Right? :eek:
Well it means that some of them weren't photoshoped. I'm sure that some were photoshopped.
gap5ewl
02-04-2006, 09:08 PM
how in the hell could they have been photoshopped?? those were all pics that fox did not release yet they would've been released in a few months with some touch ups.
Specter313
02-04-2006, 09:08 PM
Probably they were. But they never said it on the forums. I got a big impression that they were defending the images when they secretly allowed certain users to view Xavier's Office on the Xverse forums.
I'm not sure, but I don't think that Xavier's Office ever got off the ground. I was told that it was all open and ready to go, but Gina never used it. She kept putting them all in the public forums, so Ted just took it off. But again, they never cared one way or the other. They never had official word that those pics could or could not be posted there, so they let it happen until they did know, officially, where those pics stood. They are definitely not the bad guys in this situation. Blame should really only be placed on one person, and one peson alone for this whole thing, and we know who that is.
xwolverine2
02-04-2006, 09:10 PM
Obviously the photos will be removed from here too so?
bummer.:)
Specter313
02-04-2006, 09:11 PM
how in the hell could they have been photoshopped?? those were all pics that fox did not release yet they would've been released in a few months with some touch ups.
Gina did the photoshopping herself. They were apparently in her possession long enough for her to put the watermarks and such on, so she easily could have added stuff on to them which were never a part of them.
Storm22
02-04-2006, 09:12 PM
^ exactly.
lordofthenerds
02-04-2006, 09:13 PM
I'm not sure, but I don't think that Xavier's Office ever got off the ground. I was told that it was all open and ready to go, but Gina never used it. She kept putting them all in the public forums, so Ted just took it off. But again, they never cared one way or the other. They never had official word that those pics could or could not be posted there, so they let it happen until they did know, officially, where those pics stood. They are definitely not the bad guys in this situation. Blame should really only be placed on one person, and one peson alone for this whole thing, and we know who that is.
I'm pretty sure that it did. Gina kept regarding that the people that saw Xavier's Ofice saw this pic and so on. Also Avalanche told me that it was secretly open for a short amount of time for some users the first day. It consisted of many photos that we never got to see. Some include metallic Colossus, Jean rising, another Psylocke pic, Cyclops avatars we saw, another Mystique pic, and JP's, Lightning Strikez's, and Avalanche's avatars.
Asteroid-Man
02-04-2006, 09:14 PM
who else here is on XVerse other then me and Lightning and TNC?
Storm22
02-04-2006, 09:15 PM
I am. Only fairly recently though
Hugh'sMrs
02-04-2006, 09:15 PM
No, Gina still could have changed several of them around to suit her story(and it's obvious she did with a couple of them). But they were still originally property of Fox, so they'd want them taken down regardless.
That's true. I've seen really creative manips on the net. Some of those people should work for the National Enquirer. :D
I didn't bother spending a lot of time over there because all the photos eventually wound up here anyway. Ted & Matt were being little snots about having the photos so having to remove them is poetic justice. Neener, neener, neener. (Yes I'm 5)
Now that messageboard has nothing to offer so I'm sure the people who copped an attitude with the Hype will be back any minute. :p
gap5ewl
02-04-2006, 09:17 PM
Gina did the photoshopping herself. They were apparently in her possession long enough for her to put the watermarks and such on, so she easily could have added stuff on to them which were never a part of them.
sorry im not buying it. yeah she put her watermark on there but i just cant think of anything she could photoshop on most of those pics.
The Punisher
02-04-2006, 09:19 PM
Agreed.
JustABill
02-04-2006, 09:19 PM
Hmm. I was there, and what other pics do we suspect Gina photoshopped? Because the only one I know of that she photoshopped is the headstones pic.
Asteroid-Man
02-04-2006, 09:19 PM
storm22, whats ur xverse username?
pyromaniac
02-04-2006, 09:19 PM
I'm not sure, but I don't think that Xavier's Office ever got off the ground. I was told that it was all open and ready to go, but Gina never used it. She kept putting them all in the public forums, so Ted just took it off. But again, they never cared one way or the other. They never had official word that those pics could or could not be posted there, so they let it happen until they did know, officially, where those pics stood. They are definitely not the bad guys in this situation. Blame should really only be placed on one person, and one peson alone for this whole thing, and we know who that is.
Yes.
But the point was that some of the images, especially those ones that started it all, carried with themselves legal ramifications of copyright infringement.
SHH! was aware of this.
I'm referring to the aftermath, and the impact of collective behaviour preceded by the catalyst. The level of elitism adopted by the instigator. That's the problem I'm delineating: the chain of events that is curious to me.
I'm just saying and again, not wagging the finger; I'm scouring for holes in the larger picture.
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