THING/Michael Chiklis DISCUSSION

[Hunter Rider]

Ok,For any that wern't here last time we had charatcer threads for each of the Fantastic 4 that gave a look at the Character NOT the actor playing him
The purpose is for new fans not familiar with these great characters to get to know about them in the lead up to the film
Last tiem Frankie did a great Job on Ben and here is version 2:)

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/t/thing.htm

Real Name: Benjamin Jacob Grimm
Occupation: Professional adventurer; former test pilot, adventurer and wrestler
Identity: Publicly known
Legal Status: Citizen of the United States with no criminal record
Other Aliases: None
Place of Birth: New York City
Marital Status: Single
Known Realatives: Daniel (father, deceased), Elsie (mother, deceased), Daniel Jr. (brother, deceased), Jacob ("Jake," uncle), Alyce (aunt, deceased), Pentunia ("Penny," aunt, Jacob's second wife)
Group Affiliation: Fantastic Four, formerly Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation
Base of Operations: Pier Four, New York City
First Appearance: FANTASTIC FOUR #1

History: Benjamin J. Grimm was born on Yancy Street on Manhattan's Lower East Side, where he grew up in poverty. His father, an alcoholic, was unable to hold a job. Much of the family's income came from Grimm's older brother, Daniel, who obtained funds illegally as leader of the Yancy Street Gang. Grimm, who idolized his brother, became embittered against the world when Daniel was killed in a battle between rival gangs. Grimm was only 8 years old at the time; within 10 years, he had succeeded his brother as leader of the Yancy Street Gang. After his parents died, Grimm was taken in by his Uncle Jake, who had risen from poverty to become a successful physician. At first, Grimm resisted his new guardians' kindness toward him. But eventually, he came to return their love. He left his life with the Yancy Street Gang behind, entered high school, and became a football star there. While he was a senior at Stuyvesant High School, Ben received a football scholarship to Empire State University.
Grimm's freshman year roommate was the brilliant science student Reed Richards, who became his closest friend. During their first meeting Richards confided in Grimm his intention someday to build a starship for interstellar travel. Grimm jokingly promised that he would pilot the starship for Richards if he ever built it.
Upon graduating Grimm went into the U.S. Air Force and became a highly skilled test pilot and astronaut. In the meantime Richards went ahead with his project to build a starship, using both his own fortune and funding from the Federal government. On the day that Grimm left the military, Richards came to Grimm to remind him of his promise to pilot the starship.

Richards' project was based in Central City, California. When the federal government threatened to withdraw its funding from Richards' project, Richards decided to take the starship on a test flight himself as soon as possible. Grimm was opposed to the idea, warning that the starship's shielding might prove to be inadequate protection from intense radiation storms. Nevertheless, Grimm was persuaded to serve as pilot, and Richards' future wife Susan Storm and her adolescent brother Johnny insisted on accompanying Richards' as passengers. The four friends stole onto the launch facility, entered the starship, and launched it. They intended to travel through hyperspace to another solar system and back. However, unknown to Richards, a solar flare caused Earth's Van Allen radiation belts to be filled temporarily with unprecedented (as far as is known), ultra-high levels of cosmic radiation. Since the ship was designed to shield against ordinary levels of radiation, the cabin interior was subject to intense cosmic ray bombardment which irradiated the four passengers and wrought havoc on the ship's controls. Pilot Grimm was forced to abort the flight and return to Earth.
Once back on Earth, the four passengers discovered that the cosmic radiation had triggered mutagenic changes in this bodies. Grimm was transformed into an orange colored, thick-skinned, heavily muscled, and superhumanly strong "thing." Richards convinced the three others that the four of them should use their new powers for the good of humanity as members of a team ha named the Fantastic Four. Richards called himself Mister Fantastic, Susan and Johnny Storm took the names of the Invisible Girl (later Woman) and the Human Torch, and Grimm, morose over his new grotesque appearance, named himself the Thing. Under Richards' leadership the Fantastic Four has become Earth's most honored team of superhuman adventurers, and has saved the world from conquest or destruction many times.
Over the years the mutations to the Things body have continued to progress slowly. The composition of his epidermis changed from an abnormally dense, somewhat lumpy but still comparatively smooth hide to a flexible, interlocking network of rock-like lumps. His superhuman strength increased considerably over time. Early in Grimm's life as the Thing, he would sometimes revert to his original human form unexpectedly. But neither these changes nor those induced by Richards in his efforts to turn Grimm back to human form ever proved to be permanent. Eventually Grimm always reverted to his monstrous, superhumanly powerful form. Appalled by his appearance, Grimm was at first filled with anger at his situation, but he eventually became resigned to his fate, although he continued to be disturbed by his appearance and to hope for a means of regaining his human form that would last. Instrumental in helping Grimm to adjust to his life as the Thing was the blind sculptress Alicia Masters, with whom Grimm fell in love. Reed Richards eventually discovered that Grimm had reached a state in which he could transform from his Thing form to human form and back at will. However, Grimm feared that Alicia Masters would only love him as the Thing, for she had not known him before his initial transformation. Hence, Grimm suffered from a subconscious mental block that prevented him from becoming human.
The relationship between Grimm and Masters was suffering from strains when Grimm was transported to the distant "Battleworld" by the alien Beyonder for the first of the so-called "secret wars." On that planet Grimm found himself able to change to human form and back. Concealing his discovery of Grimm's mental block for fear of hurting his feelings. Richards claimed that the nature of the planet itself was somehow responsible for Grimm's ability to transform back and forth. Once the "secret war" was over, Grimm remained on the planet for months. Eventually, however, he found himself trapped once again in his monstrous form, unable to change to human form, and he returned to Earth. There Grimm learned that his teammate Johnny Storm and Alicia Masters had become lovers, and that Reed Richards had concealed the information about his mental block from him. Furious and distraught, Grimm quit the Fanatic Four. He worked for a time as a superhumanly strong wrestler for the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation, and also participated in missions with the West Coast Avengers.
Grimm was about to accept membership in the West Coast Avengers when he began to undergo further mutation, becoming, at least in his own mind, still more grotesque. Greatly disturbed, Grimm journeyed to Monster Island, where he had first encountered his foe, the Mole Man. Now, however, the Mole Man befriended the Thing and welcomed him into the society he had organized in his underground realm, composed of physically ugly people like himself who had believed themselves to be outcasts in the surface world. Grimm agreed to help the Mole Man in his attempt to use an earth shifting machine to raise a small continent in the Pacific Ocean to serve as a homeland for the Mole Man's society. While Grimm lived in the Mole Man's realm, his most recent mutations went into remission, leaving him looking little different than before these recent mutations had begun.
The three other original members of the Fantastic Four found the Thing in the Mole Man's realm, where Reed Richards realized that by raising a continent in the Pacific, the Mole Man would trigger earthquakes that would destroy California. The Thing joined Mister Fantastic, the Invisible Woman, and the Human Torch in destroying the Mole Man's earth-shifting machine, and rejoined the Fantastic Four
Height: 6 ft.
Weight: 500 lbs.
Eyes: Blue
Hair: (in fluman form) Brown, (as the Thing) None
Unusual features: The Thing's body is covered with an orange, flexible, rock-like hide. The Thing has no apparent neck. He has only four fingers (including the thumb) on each hand and four toes on each foot. The increase in the volume of his fingers has not decreased his manual dexterity. His skin is apparently susceptible to "drying "or what in a normal human being would be called loss of skin oil, for his skin can be "chipped" under certain circumstances. The Thing has no outer ear structure.
Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.
Known Superhuman Powers: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, endurance, and durability. The mutagenic, specific-frequency cosmic ray bombardment caused his musculature, bone structure, internal organ composition, soft tissue structure, and skin to greatly increase in toughness and density. The Thing can exert himself at high levels for about an hour before the build-up of fatigue poisons in his blood impairs his strength. His reflexes have remained at their above average human levels despite his greater mass. The Thing's lungs are of greater volume and efficiency than a normal man's, enabling him to hold his breath underwater for up to nine minutes, The Thing's five senses can withstand greater amounts of sensory stimuli than he could when he was a normal human being, with no reduced sensitivity.
The Thing's body is able to withstand extremes of temperature from -75° to 800° Fahrenheit for up to an hour before exposure or heat prostration occurs. He can withstand the explosive effects of armor-piercing bazooka shells (15 pounds of high explosives) against his skin with no injury. He is still susceptible to colds, disease, and emotional stress.
Unlike in the case of the Hulk, the Thing has suffered no loss of intelligence or change in personality in his transformation into his monstrous form.
Abilities: The Thing is a brilliant pilot of aircraft. He has had a great deal of experience at hand-to-hand combat, and was a formidable opponent in physical combat even before becoming the Thing.

[Hunter Rider]

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Some various Thing looks over the years


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[The Thing 2005]

Some various Thing looks over the years




http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/6678/ff1071xv.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/index.php)

How I knew him as a kid.For the comic, this version ^






http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/3158/9084fan251hq.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/index.php)

For the movie, this version. ^ No need for cg. No need to make him look like the 1st picture. Leave him the way he is. The human looking, and acting Thing.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Those are really awesome except for that freaky rubber one in the last pic.

[The Thing 2005]

Those are really awesome except for that freaky rubber one in the last pic.

I guess you would perfer a cg Thing, like the Hulk ? All muscle, and no brain, or emotion ? Leave the Thing alone. He was perfect the way he was. Or better yet, take some of your own money and make your own FF movie. Then it could all look like the Incredables.

[Hunter Rider]

I guess you would perfer a cg Thing, like the Hulk ? All muscle, and no brain, or emotion ? Leave the Thing alone. He was perfect the way he was.

He wasn't perfect IMO,there were several times that the suit looked rubbery or like foam
I think facialy it worked really well but for the sequel i would like to see some more realistic Rock textures on the suit,if that means using some more CGI for full body action shots that is fine

[The Thing 2005]

He wasn't perfect IMO,there were several times that the suit looked rubbery or like foam
I think facialy it worked really well but for the sequel i would like to see some more realistic Rock textures on the suit,if that means using some more CGI for full body action shots that is fine

Everyone's taking about the head part of the suit, making it with the larger brow. No way, leave it the way it was. As for the body, I felt something could have been done post production, to give it more of a roc**** texture. So on that we agree, but leave the head alone.

[surfergirl]

i know that i'm still glad they didn't do Thing CGI... my dad was also happy to see it was Michael in the suit instead of CGI. he was impressed that Michael walked around in all the heavy make-up and it made Thing more human ..you really got to see true emotion

[The Thing 2005]

i know that i'm still glad they didn't do Thing CGI... my dad was also happy to see it was Michael in the suit instead of CGI. he was impressed that Michael walked around in all the heavy make-up and it made Thing more human ..you really got to see true emotion

That's why you leave the head alone. Remember, what makes The Thing different from The Hulk, is the human side, and with a bigger brow, that would not come thru as perfectly as it did.

[Drakon]

That's actually a really good point, Thing. Though a slightly bigger brow wouldn't KILL him. Maybe an inch or so?

[Buslady]

I wonder if Mike looks around on these forums and sees fans griping about how he looked in the movie.

[Kelly]

I wonder if Mike looks around on these forums and sees fans griping about how he looked in the movie.

i think we had heard at one point, that people from Fox were indeed coming to the board...not sure of the actors...nothing ever confirmed on that.....honestly i just don't see the actors having time to spend time reading what we type...lol

[The Thing 2005]

I wonder if Mike looks around on these forums and sees fans griping about how he looked in the movie.

I doubt it, and even if he did, I believe he would know, being a hug fan of the FF himself, that it's not really griping, but the fans want to see things the way they should be, because of there love and passion for the FF. I've heard of noone critizing his performance. And anyone who does, really hasn't got a clue. His performance was perfect, as was Chris Evens. And the 2 of them together, was pure magic, that couldn't be taught, it was just there. They both did their homework, they knew their charactors, and the rest was just chemestry.

[Hunter Rider]

That's actually a really good point, Thing. Though a slightly bigger brow wouldn't KILL him. Maybe an inch or so?

I agree,im not a Brow guy myself but maybe just a tad more nod to the larger brow would be ok

[The Thing 2005]

I agree,im not a Brow guy myself but maybe just a tad more nod to the larger brow would be ok

I don't think a tad more would hurt, but you don't want his head looking like a mushroom.:eek: And one thing I noticed in that video with Chilkis, he had a smile on his face, when the interviewer said I've heard you can't wait to get back in that suit. I could see in his eyes, he can't wait to start the sequel.

[Hunter Rider]

I don't think a tad more would hurt, but you don't want his head looking like a mushroom.:eek:

lol,agreed,the head that was posted the other day had more brow than face,just perhpas a bit more definition of the brow,like an inch as Drak suggested

[The Thing 2005]

lol,agreed,the head that was posted the other day had more brow than face,just perhpas a bit more definition of the brow,like an inch as Drak suggestedhttp://img473.imageshack.us/img473/5921/thing7kt.gif (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/index.php)Me thinks you're refering to this picture.

[Hunter Rider]

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/5921/thing7kt.gif (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/index.php)Me thinks you're refering to this picture.

well that's also a good example but i was actually referring to that bust that was posted by Willhelm

[Buslady]

i think we had heard at one point, that people from Fox were indeed coming to the board...not sure of the actors...nothing ever confirmed on that.....honestly i just don't see the actors having time to spend time reading what we type...lol

Oh you'd be surprised. I know a handful of voice talent on forums, why not an actor or two...how do we know someone here isn't one from the movie? they arent gonna advertise themselves. hehe

[Kelly]

Oh you'd be surprised. I know a handful of voice talent on forums, why not an actor or two...how do we know someone here isn't one from the movie? they arent gonna advertise themselves. hehe

We knew Fox people were here...maybe some of the actors...but most are filming other things at the moment....

[Drakon]

I don't think a tad more would hurt, but you don't want his head looking like a mushroom.

I know what you mean. I'll toss up a manip of myself later to show what I mean, complete with extra brow and a bit more jaw.

[Kelly]

i think bigger head would help...it seemed really small to me in relation to the rest of his body...and smaller hands not extremely smaller hands, but alittle smaller than what they had in the first movie would help in the look and size of his arms...i liked the color...i saw no problem there....maybe a bit more of a rockier look, and i don't think they have to cgi to make that....but i do think they need to do more cgi like they did on the bridge scene to take care of some of the wrinkles...the scene where he and Reed or fighting was kind of scary....the fact that i wasn't happy w/ the changes from the script in that scene....*just my opinion* they should have kept it the same, but they wanted to throw a panel from the comics in there so i guess it was ok...but some cgi to take care of the wrinkles would have helped....

[The Thing 2005]

We knew Fox people were here...maybe some of the actors...but most are filming other things at the moment....

If I were Fox, and Marvel, you bet I'd be keeping my finger on the pulse of the fans. Lots of good ideas here, and lots of true fans of the comic, who want to see a better sequel. Why not check in and see what the fans are saying. They don't have to pay anything to come to the boards and check out what the fans want. It's just good business. The fans are the ones who are going to put down their hard earned money to see the sequel. And 1 thing I'll say, and take this to the bank. If they don't come out with a better sequel, I won't go and see it 9 times. And if you're reading this Fox, be careful how you edit the sequel. The fans won't toerate another hatchet job like you did on the 1st one. At least this fan won't. That's a promise.

[Kelly]

You will notice on some days there are an enormous amount of people that are simply reading, but do not show up as members....those are days that there is a possibility of some Fox people...maybe.....and then there are sometimes when we get a nudge from some of the mods that there may be some visitors as well....

[Drakon]

Hate to break it to you, hun, but we mods don't know jack**** about who's on the other end of that IP number. Not even Mirko would know, unless he was expressly told, which I highly doubt would happen.

[Kelly]

Hate to break it to you, hun, but we mods don't know jack**** about who's on the other end of that IP number. Not even Mirko would know, unless he was expressly told, which I highly doubt would happen.

Well, Cal can back me up...thats exactly what we were told....from a mod....i can only go w/ what they say....and thats what was said....NOW...we know someone from Fox was on periodically....because they chose 10 people to give their goody bags to last year....so that pretty much tells me that some are here at least periodically.....so whether the mods that told us were just typing .... i don't know....but we do know that some had to have come on at some time....cause some have a t-shirt that proves it.....LOL...:up:

[Kelly]

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8329/hthk15nl.jpg

[Franklin Richards]

Well, Cal can back me up...thats exactly what we were told....from a mod....i can only go w/ what they say....and thats what was said....NOW...we know someone from Fox was on periodically....because they chose 10 people to give their goody bags to last year....so that pretty much tells me that some are here at least periodically.....so whether the mods that told us were just typing .... i don't know....but we do know that some had to have come on at some time....cause some have a t-shirt that proves it.....LOL...:up:


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[Jolly Juggler]

I dunno. I liked the way the thing looked in all of the shots. The only part i hated was on the brooklyn bridge when they CGed his back for more muscle movement. It looked too fake.

Keep the Rubber Suit I say.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Look at Hellboys hand in his movie, it convinces me that its rock far more than any part of the Thing. The CGI enhancement on the bridge was done very well IMO, I didnt know it was CGI until someone told me. More CG enhancements are needed in the seqeul IMO.

[Kelly]

Look at Hellboys hand in his movie, it convinces me that its rock far more than any part of the Thing. The CGI enhancement on the bridge was done very well IMO, I didnt know it was CGI until someone told me. More CG enhancements are needed in the seqeul IMO.

More CGI like the bridge scene, no more than that though as far as I'm concerned....I would like for them to make his hands alittle smaller in size, which would make his arms look larger...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would just like them to add little 'things,' like rock dust falling off him when he stretches or struggles with something, like the fire truck on the bridge. And more rock noises when he touches things, it wouldnt be hard for them to do and would add a lot of believability.

[Kelly]

I would just like them to add little 'things,' like rock dust falling off him when he stretches or struggles with something, like the fire truck on the bridge. And more rock noises when he touches things, it wouldnt be hard for them to do and would add a lot of believability.

Well if they hadn't cut the Alicia scenes we would have seen some of that....

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well there were plenty of other oppurtunities for them to do similar things throughout this cut of the movie. It would have been cool when Ben was pulling th fire truck down by the bumper and you see his muscles flexing to also just see some rock dust fall off him while he was straining. I hope to see some of this in the sequel.

[Kelly]

Bumping to the front page...

[Kirby&Ditko]

Hellboy's hand looks like stone, because in the comics, it is a stone hand.

The Thing is not made of rock. He has a thick hide, but it is not actual rock. Dust and grinding rock sounds would be a bit cartoony.

Here's hoping Fox lets Spectral Motion make some alterations to the basic look. They could get closer to that great Byrne drawing posted at the head of this forum without loosing any emotion in Chiklis' acting. A heavier brow is not going to restrict him that much.

Most of the wrinkles around the neck was due to M.C. not allowing the make-up guys to glue it down.

[Kelly]

Hellboy's hand looks like stone, because in the comics, it is a stone hand.

The Thing is not made of rock. He has a thick hide, but it is not actual rock. Dust and grinding rock sounds would be a bit cartoony.

Here's hoping Fox lets Spectral Motion make some alterations to the basic look. They could get closer to that great Byrne drawing posted at the head of this forum without loosing any emotion in Chiklis' acting. A heavier brow is not going to restrict him that much.

Most of the wrinkles around the neck was due to M.C. not allowing the make-up guys to glue it down.

People at Spectral have said that they know what they want to improve on, and that we will see improvements....so hopefully we will see some improvements....yes his skin is described as "rock like" not rock...

As far as the wrinkles...i've never read or heard anyone talk about Michael not allowing them to do anything that needed to be done.....do you have a source for that statement?

[The Thing 2005]

Hellboy's hand looks like stone, because in the comics, it is a stone hand.

The Thing is not made of rock. He has a thick hide, but it is not actual rock. Dust and grinding rock sounds would be a bit cartoony.

Here's hoping Fox lets Spectral Motion make some alterations to the basic look. They could get closer to that great Byrne drawing posted at the head of this forum without loosing any emotion in Chiklis' acting. A heavier brow is not going to restrict him that much. You screw around with the head your asking for trouble. You would lose much of the emotion.

Most of the wrinkles around the neck was due to M.C. not allowing the make-up guys to glue it down.

Closer to the Byrne drawing ? Then he would look cartoonish. Leave the basis of The Thing alone. The head was perfect. Work on the body and hands ? NP there, but leave the head alone. They screw around with the head to much, the'll lose the emotion.

[Kelly]

Bumping...

[Carp Man]

Bumping...

Your burp was right above my last post lol.

[Atomicchuck3k]

I think this version may work and please the fans a bit more

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3366/thething0011nm.pnghttp://img49.imageshack.us/img49/637/thething0039qg.png


This version may be too much....

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/24/thething0021il.png

[Hunter Rider]

I think that bust could be turned into a viable look for the film,it gives more brow without looking as overbearing as some of the other suggestions

[Atomicchuck3k]

I think that bust could be turned into a viable look for the film,it gives more brow without looking as overbearing as some of the other suggestions

Here's a different angle

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4908/thething0044wx.png

[The Geek Vault]

The jaw should jut out but nose looks a little too puggish.

[Atomicchuck3k]

Can someone Photoshop the nose to make it smaller?

[LongDong]

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/24/thething0021il.png

Love that statue

[Kelly]

Bumping...

[Norm3]

I would prefer CGI similar to the Hulk movie. Since actor Michael Chiklis doesn't like wearing the orange bulky suit, they could have him act in a blue suit so they could CGI over him for the movie. they could show the Thing evolve like in the comic books with the highbrow.

[Obi-Ron]

The suit worked fine, I would just tweak the look to make it look more like the traditional comic Thing...more top-heavy, and of course the pronounced brow.

[Dynasty]

The same look as in FF 1 with CGI

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'd like to see the mask made to look more like the later Kirby drawings and CGI used to remove wrinkles. I'd be very happy with that.

[Spider - Man]

There are already a thread on this:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226390

He should have the made up head with a bigger brow (shown that it could work in above thread) and maybe wider mouth and more prominent jaw. The rest of his body should be CG and made to look more massive, less human in proportion. He seems to have a tiny head in the comics. But he doesn't have a tiny head. It just looks that way cuz the rest of him is SO DARN BIG! We need a Thing that we can FEEL the power of. You need to feel like there's a 1000 lb boulder standing next to Reed, not a guy in a foam suit that won't even dent the hood of a car when he's thrown onto it from 50 yards away!
He needs to evolve in FF2!

[Spider - Man]

And don't show his teeth!

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It would be neat if he didn't look like a shrimp in a rubber macaroni + cheese-colored suit.

[Ben Grimm]

The way he appeared in FF1 was fine. Except we gotta ge tthe beatle brow! I hope we open up the movie seeing that Ben has further mutated. But it's gotta be a subtle mutation.

[Hunter Rider]

Just make the body looks less rubbery and add a touch more brow and we are good to go imo:up:

[Kelly]

I want alittle smaller hands to enhance the size of the arms, make it where he can move his fingers more as well....cgi alittle so that we see dust come up when he hits things, not so shiney of a suit....and I'm fine....

[Kelly]

If and when they do maybe enhance the brow of Thing, I don't want a mushroom head....

[Spider - Man]

I want alittle smaller hands to enhance the size of the arms, make it where he can move his fingers more as well....cgi alittle so that we see dust come up when he hits things, not so shiney of a suit....and I'm fine....

Don't try to make his arms look bigger by making his hands smaller! Make his arms bigger! The Thing has MASSIVE hands! They need to make a better device for helping him make a fist, agreed, or just do his entire Body CGI like I said. That would take care of the wrinkles, the faom-rubber "shine", and the size issue, and you'd still get Chick's facial prformance AND he wouldn't have to wear that suit that he hates so much!

[gamemiester]

The same look as in FF 1 with CGI

[Atomicchuck3k]

If and when they do maybe enhance the brow of Thing, I don't want a mushroom head....

Do you mean like this...

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/blechhh/Chose.jpg

[Kelly]

Do you mean like this...

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/blechhh/Chose.jpg

Thats not too bad, I actually like the fact that he can make a fist with his hands, he couldn't do that really in the first movie....as far as the brow, maybe its the angle, but that doesn't look too bad.....I've certainly seen worse....in fact some of the MK art REALLY has him with a mushroom head.

[PWN3R]

Only one issue left of The Thing! :(:mad:

CURSES!

[Atomicchuck3k]

Thats not too bad, I actually like the fact that he can make a fist with his hands, he couldn't do that really in the first movie....as far as the brow, maybe its the angle, but that doesn't look too bad.....I've certainly seen worse....in fact some of the MK art REALLY has him with a mushroom head.

Okay, I think this may be what you're reffering too:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5546/thing1wg.gif

[Kelly]

Okay, I think this may be what you're reffering too:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5546/thing1wg.gif

Good lord yes, and I know some want him in shorts and what not, but I prefer pants.....and NO WHITE BOOTS PLEASE.....:) :up:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

He's a go-go dancer.:(

[LongDong]

He's a go-go dancer.:(

Yeah no kidding. I have always hated that rendition of the Thing

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Why didn't they give him matching white gloves?
Maybe a white top hat and a Chippendales white bow tie!

[Desk]

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[gerbstat]

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[Spoarz™]

For the movie, this version. ^ No need for cg. No need to make him look like the 1st picture. Leave him the way he is. The human looking, and acting Thing.

I agree with you dude, I loved how the Thing was portrayed in the movie, and Michael Chiklis was so damn good :thing:

I remember Photoshopping a picture of Michael Chiklis in the Thing costume to see what he would look like with a smaller nose and a larger brow, and personally, I wasn't keen on the look. If I find the picture, I'll post it.

[MoPlaYa]

I hope they give the Thing an eyebrow in FF2 and I hope they fix his hands because they looked too fake in the first movie

[Carp Man]

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[Orko Is King]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Deskjetprinter/realthing.jpg

They can do better.

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2925_press01-001.jpg

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2925_press03-001.jpg

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2925_press02-001.jpg

PERFECTION

[Shadow_Knight]

Same as the first one for me.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think they definately need to make more CG augments to the Thing in FF2, too many times his rubber look took me out of the movie in FF. Chiklis was great though.

[Malus]

You need to feel like there's a 1000 lb boulder standing next to Reed, not a guy in a foam suit that won't even dent the hood of a car when he's thrown onto it from 50 yards away!

HaHa So true...He landed on that old lady's car like a rag doll. Worst moment of the movie for me.

And don't show his teeth!

Disagree. The Thing has always had teeth in the comics. They're just not shown that often...Creative license. No teeth? On film that might be distracting.

[gerbstat]

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[iceberg325]

bigger and done with CGI

[Kelly]

Not all CGI, but yes some enhancement with CGI.

[Angelus7181]

Not all CGI, but yes some enhancement with CGI.


I hope it's CGI we can't notice.. I do agree he needs to be bigger and more distuctive without him even trying to be.

[Kelly]

Don't try to make his arms look bigger by making his hands smaller! Make his arms bigger! The Thing has MASSIVE hands! They need to make a better device for helping him make a fist, agreed, or just do his entire Body CGI like I said. That would take care of the wrinkles, the faom-rubber "shine", and the size issue, and you'd still get Chick's facial prformance AND he wouldn't have to wear that suit that he hates so much!

You have a man in the suit, you make it much bigger than it already is, he will have little if no movement in it. Its not going to be all CGI people need to get that through their heads....Michael Chiklis will be inside that thing.....and you start making his arms bigger you cut down his ability to move, but if you make his hands slightly smaller then that will help in making the arms look bigger without having to make them bigger, AND will give him more flexibility in the hands that he did not have in the first movie.

[The Geek Vault]

I'd say a slightly bigger suit enhanced with CGI effects.

[Kelly]

I'd say a slightly bigger suit enhanced with CGI effects.

I don't see them making the suit bigger, it was already 60lbs...of extra weight on Michael....more CGI I see coming, and maybe some changes to the facial features....I don't see much more than that.....EXCEPT A WAY FOR HIM TO DO his business.....if you know what I mean.....:O

[TheSaintofKillers]

CGI is a bad idea, no matter how you put it. It wasn't because the thing was a costume that it failed, it was because the people behind it were incompetent.

Look at Jim Henson's company, or, for a better exemple, the costumes of the turtles in the original teenage mutant ninja turtles. Masterpieces, all of them. 20 years before what we got with the thing. Or look at Dark crystal, or the legend, or any of the big Jim Henson movies. Wonderful, all of them.

Heck, look at mr. Hyde from LXG. Make a thing as big as that (or rather, as wide, small in high, but wide) using those kinds of makeup, and give him elbrows, and the right kind of noise, and we might actually get something good next time.

CGI is the worst idea though... Never believable, and cost way too much. Bleh. :down

[Malus]

CGI is a bad idea, no matter how you put it. It wasn't because the thing was a costume that it failed, it was because the people behind it were incompetent.

Look at Jim Henson's company, or, for a better example, the costumes of the turtles in the original teenage mutant ninja turtles. Masterpieces, all of them. 20 years before what we got with the thing.

CGI is the worst idea though... Never believable, and cost way too much. Bleh. :down

Can't argue with that.
Those turtles really did look great. They've been making creatures as difficult as Ben Grimm work without the benefit of CGI for a looong time.

[Hunter Rider]

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[Spoarz™]

I feel that the Thing should look as he did in the first film. Maybe they can add the odd touch of CGI should the costume look too wrinkled or maybe add a little CGI rock dust, but other than that, they should keep the costume as it is IMO. :up:

[iceberg325]

He should look like this :thing: !!!!!!!!!!!

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm with a lot of you in that I think the one, single, biggest issue (possibly on the whole film) is to fix the wrinkles. I'd like to see them use some cgi, but I think they can also address it by making the "rocks" less flexible.

They need to spend some time trying some designs to lessen the wrinkling. I think I saw somewhere that they used higher density foam on the "rocks" and lower density foam in the cracks. That may have helped, but it obviously didn't work great. There are rigid epoxy coatings readily available. If they painted the rock surfaces with a thin layer of rigid epoxy, it would reduce the tendency for those surfaces to wrinkle. Then spots that still look bad can be touched up with CGI.

The wrinkles were probably the single, biggest problem I had with the visual effects. Every time I saw a wrinkle, it reminded me that he was just a guy in a rubber suit.

[Spider - Man]

You have a man in the suit, you make it much bigger than it already is, he will have little if no movement in it. Its not going to be all CGI people need to get that through their heads....Michael Chiklis will be inside that thing.....and you start making his arms bigger you cut down his ability to move, but if you make his hands slightly smaller then that will help in making the arms look bigger without having to make them bigger, AND will give him more flexibility in the hands that he did not have in the first movie.

That's why I'm in favor of having him wear the head makeup (cuz everyone is adamant that we be able to see his real emotions) but do his body cgi. I mean, Chic needed therapy last time around just to wear the suit for cryin out loud! They should spare him the agony! Here are some pics of a Thing with smaller hands. Do they look like they could smash down walls? 'Cause they don't to me!

http://www.agonybooth.com/fantastic_4/fantastic_4_31.jpg
http://www.agonybooth.com/fantastic_4/fantastic_4_23.jpg
http://www.agonybooth.com/fantastic_4/fantastic_4_22.jpg

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here are some pics of a Thing with smaller hands. Do they look like they could smash down walls? 'Cause they don't to me!

http://www.agonybooth.com/fantastic_4/fantastic_4_31.jpg
http://www.agonybooth.com/fantastic_4/fantastic_4_23.jpg
http://www.agonybooth.com/fantastic_4/fantastic_4_22.jpg

I agree. The arms/hands looked much too small in the Corman version.

As for the face, I think (given the state of current technology) I'd go with motion capture and CGI rather than prosthetics if they choose to go with a more extreme face (and personally I'd like a more extreme face).

I've mentioned before that I really like the idea of MC wearing a suit that goes up to his neck with markers for CGI mapping on his face. That way we'd get his emotions and the suit should be much easier for him to deal with.

I think it's just a question of is the technology/cost to a point that something like that would be practical.

Since Weta did some work on X-Men, it seems possible that they may help with FF, and they would be the perfect ones to do something like that.

[Kelly]

I think we are disagreeing on simple degree of size here....

When I say smaller, I don't mean human size hands....simply small enough to give him more flexibility of the hands....

I also think this would help Michael in the mind game aspect as well.....he said he was fine while the hands were off....as soon as the hands went on he became claustrophobic....I think having more flexibility in the hands would help in that aspect.





LOL, I don't understand why in our discussions it has to be one end of the spectrum or the other....it gets really, really irritating after awhile.... degrees people....simply think SMALL DEGREES OF CHANGE.

[Kelly]

bump

[Obi-Ron]

Um...CGI hands?

[Excel]

ahhhh the thing; the one thing i really loved about the first movie. chiklis was fantastic. perfectly cast.

[Kelly]

Bump

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Too many times in the first movie, the fact that it was just a guy in a suit was aloud to show too much, this needs to be corrected, whatever way they do it.

[gerbstat]

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[Obi-Ron]

Product placement? In a Fantastic Four movie? Pish posh!

[halfapple]

Before seeing the first film, I was expecting to see Grim to be much bigger then what they delivered.

Needs to be bigger,larger more intimidating and Real looking just like rock.

No rubber cheeto please -!

Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cuttler and Branch Warren are more intimidating then what I saw of Ben Grim from this film.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They cant make him bigger now that they have had him that size in the first movie. I just think they need to show him using greater feats of strength. The feats he performed in the first movie werent even on the level of Spiderman. They need to show him as being stronger.

[Franklin Richards]

Well in all fairness, Ben could only bench about 5 tons in his first year or so. But yeah... a strength increase would be good.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well in all fairness, Ben could only bench about 5 tons in his first year or so. But yeah... a strength increase would be good.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

Yeah i knew that, but he should be stronger in the sequel.

[Norm3]

They cant make him bigger now that they have had him that size in the first movie. What are you talking about the Thing has gotten bigger over the years.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

What are you talking about the Thing has gotten bigger over the years.

This isnt the comic fella, general movie goes will notice and question a growth in size.

[Kelly]

They could definitely make him bigger, and give some exposition from Reed to explain it......that wouldn't be too hard at all. Some exposition where Sue has to explain one more time in laymen's terms to Ben.....I see no problem with that at all and is a good connection to the last movie.

[Norm3]

All they need to do is explain it. By having Reed try to cure the Thing & instead he gets bigger.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They could definitely make him bigger, and give some exposition from Reed to explain it......that wouldn't be too hard at all. Some exposition where Sue has to explain one more time in laymen's terms to Ben.....I see no problem with that at all and is a good connection to the last movie.

Well yeah, in the first movie they had a line about their powers evolving, but they would have to go into a bit more detail about that in a sequel for general audience members.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

All they need to do is explain it. By having Reed try to cure the Thing & instead he gets bigger.

Ben made it pretty clear at the end of FF he didnt want to be cured anymore (which is of course ANOTHER mistake from movie 1)

[Willie Lumpkin]

Ben made it pretty clear at the end of FF he didnt want to be cured anymore (which is of course ANOTHER mistake from movie 1)

Johnny also said he would marry the nurse, does that mean he has to now?

I agree it was a mistake to put the line in there, but that simple line doesn't tie their hands in any way.

[Kelly]

Ben made it pretty clear at the end of FF he didnt want to be cured anymore (which is of course ANOTHER mistake from movie 1)


So when we say something we have to stand by that the rest of our lives...????? oh god we are ALL IN TROUBLE.....:o

[Willie Lumpkin]

So when we say something we have to stand by that the rest of our lives...????? oh god we are ALL IN TROUBLE.....:o

http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/sally/lol.gif Somewhere Pete Townshend is saying to himself: "Hope I die before I get old?!?! What was I thinking? . . . damn this is good prune juice!"

[Joe Rockhead]

Ben made it pretty clear at the end of FF he didnt want to be cured anymore (which is of course ANOTHER mistake from movie 1)

I don't think that was really a mistake... more like a compression of time from the comics. Sure... back in the day... Ben was constantly harping on Reed about changing him back, but at some point it stopped.

He still regards Reed as his best friend... so saying not to cure him could really be seen as Ben backing the pressure off of Reed. At the end of the movie, he's realized that Doom misled him and that Reed continued to work on a cure, and due to guilt, will probably continue trying to cure him.

If Ben is relegated to just complaining about his condition... he'll be the worst whiner to ever hit the screen... no matter how much his complaint is justified.

[gerbstat]

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[Willie Lumpkin]

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[Kelly]

I'm going to have to go into hiding....because there is no way in hell I'm going to live up to EVERYTHING I've ever said.....I'm in trouble....

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm going to have to go into hiding....because there is no way in hell I'm going to live up to EVERYTHING I've ever said.....I'm in trouble....

Thats hilarious!!!!!!!! Oh no its not sorry.

its not my fault they made loads of mistakes in the first movie.

[Hunter Rider]

Thats hilarious!!!!!!!! Oh no its not sorry.

its not my fault they made loads of mistakes in the first movie.

What JMA said was right though,you can;t hold someone to something they say when it comes to deep emotions

[Vartha]

ummmm what's a "fluman"? Sounds like you're saying Ben is a flu bug.










:D

[Kelly]

Thats hilarious!!!!!!!! Oh no its not sorry.

its not my fault they made loads of mistakes in the first movie.


Thats good because I wasn't trying to be funny, I was being realistic. My post had nothing to do with the mistakes in the movie.

Actually whats hilarious is that you thought I was trying to be funny.:)

[Franklin Richards]

Ben made it pretty clear at the end of FF he didnt want to be cured anymore (which is of course ANOTHER mistake from movie 1)

That's not a mistake. Ben has told Reed to lay off several times. It's all wrapped up in his mental block about Alicia. Maybe the director and screenwriter didn't communicate it well enough to you, but the fact that Ben doesn't want to be cured anymore is not a mistake.

Plus what Joe Rockhead said.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

[Orko Is King]

If they can make the CGI as convincing as it was in PotC, then I'm all for it.

[spacecomet]

I want to see the Thing have his brow like the way Jack Kirby used to have him. Also I want the Thing to be like from the Fantastic Four 90s cartoon series(the second season). The Thing had presence there. Look at the way that cartoon comes on and they show a closeup of the Things face as he throws his fist back to get ready to throw a punch. That closeup of the Thing's face is a good likeliness. You want to feel like he is a powerhouse.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Watching Superman Returns and Hulk as well as the Spidey movies, The thing really needs to up his game in terms of strength feats. Now i know he is not as strong as Hulk or Supes, but surely he should able to embarrass Spidey in terms of strength. So far it is the opposite.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Watching Superman Returns and Hulk as well as the Spidey movies, The thing really needs to up his game in terms of strength feats. Now i know he is not as strong as Hulk or Supes, but surely he should able to embarrass Spidey in terms of strength. So far it is the opposite.

He did perform some feats that seem to be more than Spidey has done (smashing through a couple thick walls, crumpling up Johnny's Porsche, throwing the car at Doom, etc.), but I'm not sure that he projects the sort of power on screen that he should. I'm not sure if that's a matter of making him bigger (Superman works as a normal sized man) or just directing in a more creative way that gives the viewer a sense of his power, but I think that needs to be improved in the next film.

[Kelly]

He did perform some feats that seem to be more than Spidey has done (smashing through a couple thick walls, crumpling up Johnny's Porsche, throwing the car at Doom, etc.), but I'm not sure that he projects the sort of power on screen that he should. I'm not sure if that's a matter of making him bigger (Superman works as a normal sized man) or just directing in a more creative way that gives the viewer a sense of his power, but I think that needs to be improved in the next film.

Agreed....

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

He did perform some feats that seem to be more than Spidey has done (smashing through a couple thick walls, crumpling up Johnny's Porsche, throwing the car at Doom, etc.), but I'm not sure that he projects the sort of power on screen that he should. I'm not sure if that's a matter of making him bigger (Superman works as a normal sized man) or just directing in a more creative way that gives the viewer a sense of his power, but I think that needs to be improved in the next film.

Definately, Spidey has him beat a the moment IMO with holding the tram and stopping the train, so they need to raise the game in FF2

[Norm3]

The :thing: is not as strong as the Hulk, but he's alway been #2 as far as hero's in the Marvel universe.

[Kelly]

The :thing: is not as strong as the Hulk, but he's alway been #2 as far as hero's in the Marvel universe.

Strength is not always what wins.....in the end.

[Franklin Richards]

It's heart.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

[WTFwuzThT]

Anything but that silly looking atrocity they had in the frist movie. That was just awful as was the movie.

[Franklin Richards]

Beat it newb. I've got bigger fish to fry than you.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Despite my quarrels with it, they have to keep the basic look of him now for continuities sake. Just make him stronger.

[Malus]

Despite my quarrels with it, they have to keep the basic look of him now for continuities sake. Just make him stronger.

No, for continuity's sake, he should evolve further, as he did in the comics.
They're not "stuck" with anything.

[WTFwuzThT]

Beat it newb. I've got bigger fish to fry than you.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

HAHAHA, rrriiiggghhhtttt.

[knoxf4i]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Deskjetprinter/realthing.jpg

THIS is what I was hoping for !!!!

[WTFwuzThT]

Now that would be an awesome look for the movie. It's too bad Fox and Story lack whatever it would take to actually realize this.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

"Now that would be an awesome look for the movie. It's too bad Fox and Story lack brains, talent and proper respect for the source material."

I fixed your post.:(

[Darthphere]

"Now that would be an awesome look for the movie. It's too bad Fox and Story lack brains, talent and proper respect for the source material."

I fixed your post.:(


Damn yo, Wilhelm caught feelings.

[Malus]

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http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2925_press02-001.jpg

PERFECTION

Very close.

[Willie Lumpkin]

http://images1.snapfish.com/347837%3A7%3A%7Ffp348%3Enu%3D323%3A%3E8%3C%3B%3E67 3%3EWSNRCG%3D3233%3A4589%3B%3A%3A%3Cnu0mrj

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They need to up the ante on the Things strength though as well as improve his look, he is sorely lagging behind even Hellboy at the moment.

[Clobberin' Time]

:up: http://images1.snapfish.com/347837%3A7%3A%7Ffp348%3Enu%3D323%3A%3E8%3C%3B%3E67 3%3EWSNRCG%3D3233%3A4589%3B%3A%3A%3Cnu0mrj

Bingo! :up:

[Malus]

They need to up the ante on the Things strength though as well as improve his look, he is sorely lagging behind even Hellboy at the moment.
:up: Agreed. He kicked Ben's butt way too easily in the last movie.
Now that Ben's had some time to adjust to the new body, he should be more adept at utilizing his strength, which is waaaay greater than what FF1 seemed to indicate at points.
That one whack with the lampost should not have put him in such a prostrate position.
I know it was done for dramatic effect, so each member of the FF could stop Doom from skewering him with the sheared off lamp post, but it should have been the Torch or Reed lying there helpless, NOT the Thing.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

:up: Agreed. He kicked Ben's butt way too easily in the last movie.
Now that Ben's had some time to adjust to the new body, he should be more adept at utilizing his strength, which is waaaay greater than what FF1 seemed to indicate at points.
That one whack with the lampost should not have put him in such a prostrate position.
I know it was done for dramatic effect, so each member of the FF could stop Doom from skewering him with the sheared off lamp post, but it should have been the Torch or Reed lying there helpless, NOT the Thing.

Agreed, hopefully they make the Thing stronger in the sequel, just as he got stronger at the beginning of the comics.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

:up:

Bingo! :up:I think this would be more bingo with those sadly human proportions..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/TheRealThingCostume.jpg

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think this would be more bingo with those sadly human proportions..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/TheRealThingCostume.jpg

:up: That looks pretty good to me. Hopefully, based on TS's comments, we'll get something at least that good.

[Agent 194]

Ok, third post of the same post. . .I'm not sure if I'm in the right crowd sometimes.

I believe that I trust Story and his assertion that the larger Thing brow is not as cinematically practical as we would like for it to be (I know they say it's going to be larger) still, - much like the fact that I would have loved to have seen footage of Mel Blanc in the day, doing Bugs, Foghorn, Daffy,...etc., I would love to at least see this larger brow that they say won't work. I think we at least deserve to see the proof for ourselves.

As for Mel Blanc (and I know this is completely off subject) but despite all the cool extras that have come out on the Looney Tunes collections, - am I the only one who thinks it was extrememely poor foresight, on someones part, to not have taped this man doing his thing back then?!

[Willie Lumpkin]

Ok, third post of the same post. . .I'm not sure if I'm in the right crowd sometimes.

I believe that I trust Story and his assertion that the larger Thing brow is not as cinematically practical as we would like for it to be (I know they say it's going to be larger) still, - much like the fact that I would have loved to have seen footage of Mel Blanc in the day, doing Bugs, Foghorn, Daffy,...etc., I would love to at least see this larger brow that they say won't work. I think we at least deserve to see the proof for ourselves.

As for Mel Blanc (and I know this is completely off subject) but despite all the cool extras that have come out on the Looney Tunes collections, - am I the only one who thinks it was extrememely poor foresight, on someones part, to not have taped this man doing his thing back then?!

That's interesting. I didn't realize there wasn't any footage of Mel Blanc. I can see why they wouldn't, at the time, want to distribute such footage, because it might have distracted from the characters, but it seems like it would be very interesting to see it from an historical perspective (they probably never imagined their cartoons would have such staying power).

As for the Thing, I was hoping we'd see them looking at some maquettes on the DVD so we could see for ourselves. I trust that Tim Story believes that a larger brow won't look right, but I don't know that I agree with him on that point. I might believe that a perfect recreation of Kirby's blocky brow might not look right in the flesh, but the photoshop WS posted above looks MUCH better than what we saw in the first film, and I don't see how anyone could see anything wrong with it.

Hopefully the new version will be that good or better. Does anyone know how to post that over on Tim's myspace? I'd like to see if he has any comments. Based on what he has said, I'm guessing that might be close to what we get, and that would be a BIG improvement.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Remember when this was published in USA Today, and we got our first glimpse of the Thing?

http://media.movieweb.com/galleries/983/1876/lo/fantastic4_02.jpg

Did that look like the Thing to any of you? It was interesting, and sort of cool int it's own way but it just wasn't the Thing.

Now if we had seen this, instead, most of us would have said: "Now that's the Thing."

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/TheRealThingCostume.jpg

And I think the audience could have accepted it just as easily as they accepted the version we got.

[freemind1969]

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2170/thingieqf6.jpg

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yeah, baby!:up:

Th^t is Thing.

btw, I remember very well when I bought the USA Today (first time ever) and the first thing I thought was "Kellog's Corn Pops Man ?........:( X 1,000"

[freemind1969]

I thought the movie Thing resembled issue #30's partial transformation back into Ben Grimm from Diablo's potions.http://www.marvelmasterworks.com/ff/images/panel_ff030b.jpghttp://www.bbcworld.com/content/talkingmovies/archive_2005/week28/thisweek/images/ff4.jpg

[Orko Is King]

I think this would be more bingo with those sadly human proportions..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/TheRealThingCostume.jpg

Make it less shiny and we've got a winner.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I thought the movie Thing resembled issue #30's partial transformation back into Ben Grimm from Diablo's potions.http://www.marvelmasterworks.com/ff/images/panel_ff030b.jpghttp://www.bbcworld.com/content/talkingmovies/archive_2005/week28/thisweek/images/ff4.jpg

Ha, totally.

Key words:"Human proportions"

Please note, Tim, that th^t looks nothing like "The Thing" as he has come to be known.:up:

I honestly would've even preferred something like:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/thing-1.gif



:(, Just so he looked more like the inhuman-looking monster that he's supposed to resemble.

[Malus]

Ha, totally.

Key words:"Human proportions"

Please note, Tim, that th^t looks nothing like "The Thing" as he has come to be known.:up:

I honestly would've even preferred something like:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/thing-1.gif



:(, Just so he looked more like the inhuman-looking monster that he's supposed to resemble.

For me it was the equivalent of first seeing the Hulk on tv back in the 70's being played by Lou Ferrigno.
There's a lot to be said for the performances (particularly Michael Chiklis) but that wasn't the Hulk we knew on CBS back in '78, and that wasn't the Thing last summer in FF1.
Not by a long shot.

[Willie Lumpkin]

For me it was the equivalent of first seeing the Hulk on tv back in the 70's being played by Lou Ferrigno.
There's a lot to be said for the performances (particularly Michael Chiklis) but that wasn't the Hulk we knew on CBS back in '78, and that wasn't the Thing last summer in FF1.
Not by a long shot.

Good point! I also think this touches on why some of us older guys may have a little different perspective than some of the younger guys.

We grew up with VERY weak depictions of our heros. We older guys remember when Spider-Man was wearing white wrist-bands and fighting street thugs.

I want my favortie comic (FF) to be portrayed faithfully, but I recognize that I'm lucky to get anything even this close. I'm not going to boycott the film or go pout in a corner just because it's not nearly as good as it could be. I'm going to enjoy it for what it is and hope the sequels get better.

[Malus]

Good point! I also think this touches on why some of us older guys may have a little different perspective than some of the younger guys.

We grew up with VERY weak depictions of our heros. We older guys remember when Spider-Man was wearing white wrist-bands and fighting street thugs.

I want my favortie comic (FF) to be portrayed faithfully, but I recognize that I'm lucky to get anything even this close. I'm not going to boycott the film or go pout in a corner just because it's not nearly as good as it could be. I'm going to enjoy it for what it is and hope the sequels get better.

Hey, watch it with the intelligence and rational attitude there, Willie. You're gonna get us thrown out of this joint.

[Obi-Ron]

We older guys remember when Spider-Man was wearing white wrist-bands and fighting street thugs.


And we loved it, by cracky!

[Agent 194]

This has nothing to do with anything on this forum or site but Maynard Ferguson (jazz trumpeter-hero of mine) is dead. He was 78. I'm sad.

[Willie Lumpkin]

This has nothing to do with anything on this forum or site but Maynard Ferguson (jazz trumpeter-hero of mine) is dead. He was 78. I'm sad.

My father was a trumpet player and fan of his. He took me to see him when I was too young, and all I remember was that I thought it was loud and boring and I wanted to go home.:o I wish I'd have had the chance to try it when I was older.:(

RIP

[Malus]

This has nothing to do with anything on this forum or site but Maynard Ferguson (jazz trumpeter-hero of mine) is dead. He was 78. I'm sad.

If I remember correctly, he put out a 45 single of the theme from Rocky when I was about 11, and I bought it thinking I was getting the version from the film. I liked it anyway, and the B side was great. That led to eventually picking up some of his CDs when I was old enough to really appreciate him.
Sad news. Nobody else sounded like him.

[batman7289]

i dont know y we have these threads in the SPOILER forum

[Mr. Socko]

woohoo, they're going to give him a real brow.

[Agent 194]

If I remember correctly, he put out a 45 single of the theme from Rocky when I was about 11, and I bought it thinking I was getting the version from the film. I liked it anyway, and the B side was great. That led to eventually picking up some of his CDs when I was old enough to really appreciate him.
Sad news. Nobody else sounded like him.

Yeah, that Rocky single was going to be used for Rocky 2. Stallone loved it but the execs changed their minds at the last minute. Maynard would have done a good FF soundtrack.

[Orko Is King]

I want some goddamn set pics!:thing:

[Fantastic-Boy]

The Thing of the post #152 is very cool!!!

[Vartha]

I can go with that Thing, but, How's Mike's expressions work on this mask, better or worse?
I can see where the bigger mouth may help with getting more air.

[Savage]

Couldn't they have just CG'd the eyebrows? Exagerate his expressions. Simple as that. When he raises an eyebrow, make it a big eyebrow. Not that hard. It's practically...photoshopping each frame. I hope that's what is done in the second.

[wobbly]

Couldn't they have just CG'd the eyebrows? Exagerate his expressions. Simple as that. When he raises an eyebrow, make it a big eyebrow. Not that hard. It's practically...photoshopping each frame. I hope that's what is done in the second.

POTC Dead mans chest showed what can be done with CGI effects applied over the top of an unmade-up actors face (Davy Jones face and costume was all CGI over the actors performance) so yeah, they could easilly CGI over the top of what they film to improve the effect...however...to do this it would require physical tracking markers on the actors face (and body if required) for the animators to use as guides (assuming they were intending on this approach from the get go and don't decide to go for it in post production as an afterthought).

From what we've seen though it is just gonna be Chiklis in a rubber suit again, no CGI enhancements yet again, and a rather average result once again.

[maxwell's demon]

so i can't tell. are his eyebrows bigger or not?
http://chud.com/nextraimages/fftwo1.jpg

[Savage]

POTC Dead mans chest showed what can be done with CGI effects applied over the top of an unmade-up actors face (Davy Jones face and costume was all CGI over the actors performance) so yeah, they could easilly CGI over the top of what they film to improve the effect...however...to do this it would require physical tracking markers on the actors face (and body if required) for the animators to use as guides (assuming they were intending on this approach from the get go and don't decide to go for it in post production as an afterthought).

From what we've seen though it is just gonna be Chiklis in a rubber suit again, no CGI enhancements yet again, and a rather average result once again.
They CGI'd his back in the last one when he was pulling the firetruck. I'm sure they can just do the same to his eyebrows. No markers needed. The problem is Chiklis can't emote too well with it big right? Well give him the average sized ones like before, just enhance it and make it bigger (like they did the back last time). Simple touch-up really...The suit could have used a lot of CG touch-ups by the way. I don't know why they stopped at just one scene.

[Edd Extraordinaire]

God this movie is going to blow.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They CGI'd his back in the last one when he was pulling the firetruck. I'm sure they can just do the same to his eyebrows. No markers needed. The problem is Chiklis can't emote too well with it big right? Well give him the average sized ones like before, just enhance it and make it bigger (like they did the back last time). Simple touch-up really...The suit could have used a lot of CG touch-ups by the way. I don't know why they stopped at just one scene.

Exactly, the first movies suite needed a lot of CGI touch ups that it never got, and it looks like this movie is going the same way. They probably didnt have time due to Fox rushing everything again the ****ing nobheads.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I honestly would've even preferred something like:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/thing-1.gif



:(, Just so he looked more like the inhuman-looking monster that he's supposed to resemble.
Something like the rejected proposal?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Antoblueberry/Oldthing.jpg

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I think that looks a lot better than what we got. I would have loved to see that on the screen, it would look superb.

[Mr.Wednesday]

I dont know if these pics were shown here already but on a brazilian website about comics and Movies they showed 4 pics of the Thing onset...

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2008/set1iz6.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3968/set2ec4.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4455/set3az6.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/12/set4ty3.jpg

I guess you can see some bigger brows there but it could be nothing...

heres a link to the website... In portuguese... BUt theres nothing special in it... Heres the translation:

"The movie Fantastic Four 2 is still being shot in Vancouver, Canada and heres the first pics that are showing up on the net. You can see Michael Chiklis as The Thing onset."

The rest is just yadda-yadda telling the story, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Doctor Doom and how the F4 have to figure out why Silver Surfer is here and blablabla...

http://www.omelete.com.br/cinema/news/base_para_news.asp?artigo=19681

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Yes we have seen them on another thread in here, but thanks for the info anyway.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Ok, let's collect them here:
http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=145

[Spoarz™]

^ I haven't seen that one before. :up:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

my god


and the weird thing is, Chiklis insists he's a huge Thing fan since childhood...why doesn't he....stop them in mid-application and yell "DUDES!!!! This make-up looks like pure unadulterated S***!!!!" ?

:confused:

I...I don't,....I don't understand what's happening here.:huh:

[maxwell's demon]

i'd care more if i thought the movie wasn't going to totally suck.

[bweurk]

every time i see a fanboy whining over a little detail... it brings joy to my heart.... if i was a director, the thing wouldn't have a brow and would be grey, venom would be played by doug jones ou michael reid mackey, Hulk would be 100ft tall, Superman would have 4 kids.... I love when fanboys are unhappy....

[maxwell's demon]

you're awesome.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

every time i see a fanboy whining over a little detail... it brings joy to my heart.... if i was a director, the thing wouldn't have a brow and would be grey, venom would be played by doug jones ou michael reid mackey, Hulk would be 100ft tall, Superman would have 4 kids.... I love when fanboys are unhappy....Also, get Cedric the Entertainer to play Green Arrow.:up:

[wobbly]

every time i see a fanboy whining over a little detail... it brings joy to my heart.... if i was a director, the thing wouldn't have a brow and would be grey, venom would be played by doug jones ou michael reid mackey, Hulk would be 100ft tall, Superman would have 4 kids.... I love when fanboys are unhappy....

Depends on what you regard as a little detail as to how amusing fanboy whingeing can be. For me, moaning about the size of Bens fingers, or the amount of gray in Reeds hair would be 'whining over a little detail' and I'd find that funny myself too, but not being happy with the fact that the current rubber Thing suit looks very underwhelming is a valid complaint (it's more than just the smaller brow, it's the overall look of the rubber suit that fails to deliver for many fans).

Seriously, with all todays technology and techniques at their disposal this tame TV level effort we are being given is more than a little annoying, especially when you know full well they could have done it so much better.

[wobbly]

my god


and the weird thing is, Chiklis insists he's a huge Thing fan since childhood...why doesn't he....stop them in mid-application and yell "DUDES!!!! This make-up looks like pure unadulterated S***!!!!" ?

:confused:

I...I don't,....I don't understand what's happening here.:huh:

If he was allowed input then I'd hope he at least told them what a tame effort it was, but I seriously doubt if Chiklis would have much say in the design of the costume in the end: his job is to play the role, not design the way it looks.

[Orko Is King]

Ok, let's collect them here:
http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=145

Does anyone have a profile pic of the Thing from the 1st flick to compare the makeup?:huh:

[Mr. Credible]

Something like the rejected proposal?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Antoblueberry/Oldthing.jpg

that looks almost perfect... maybe make 'em a bit oranger, but other than that, i wish that what we got. i don't care if micheal chiklis was 'born to play the thing' i didn't care too much for his portrayal, his thing voice was irritating, and he didn't look anywhere near as good as that pic you posted.

[Mr. Credible]

why does the thing look so fat? he just looks like a big fat lump of ****.

[bweurk]

Also, get Cedric the Entertainer to play Green Arrow.:up:

good idea... and why not jack black as green lantern?

[Spider - Man]

every time i see a fanboy whining over a little detail... it brings joy to my heart.... if i was a director, the thing wouldn't have a brow and would be grey, venom would be played by doug jones ou michael reid mackey, Hulk would be 100ft tall, Superman would have 4 kids.... I love when fanboys are unhappy....

Hmm, you wouldn't care if they screwed up movies about icons of the comic world yet you have over 1000 posts on a comic book hero movie forum. Why are you here, again? Ah yes, the eternal quest to find a whining fanboy. That hobby of yours popular with the ladies?:whatever:

[TripleF]

Bumping

[gerbstat]

From the wedding scenes, I think the new look of the Thing is just fine. It is a substantial improvement over the first movie. He's much more orange, too.

[Willie Lumpkin]

From the wedding scenes, I think the new look of the Thing is just fine. It is a substantial improvement over the first movie. He's much more orange, too.

I agree. Not perfect, but the improvements are good.

http://img136.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-258/loc568/91791_Michael_Chiklis_on_Set_of_Fantastic_Four_2_0 03_122_568lo.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9819/img1976gu5.jpg

[TripleF]

Ya know, its probably because I'm blind, lol but I just don't see that much of a change. I'm not complaining about that at all, I was fine with his look in the first movie. I just don't see much change for the second.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Ya know, its probably because I'm blind, lol but I just don't see that much of a change. I'm not complaining about that at all, I was fine with his look in the first movie. I just don't see much change for the second.

Consider it this way: The Thing has been drawn with his large brow for over 40 years. It's changed shape and size over the years, but it's always clearly been there. And whenever I, and a number of other fans, picture the Thing in our minds, we always picture him with the brow.

To put it in perspective, imagine you see a statue of a face that has no nose. It would look very strange, wouldn't it? But a nose is such a small thing. The statue can have a large nose or a small nose and it will look fine, but if the nose is just missing, it will always look wrong.

When I first saw this photo:

http://media.movieweb.com/galleries/983/1876/lo/fantastic4_02.jpg

The complete lack of a brow just looked . . . wrong to me, much the same as a face without a nose would look wrong.

He doesn't need a huge brow, but he does need something, and at least we are getting something now.

[TripleF]

I understand why people were upset with the first movie's look. Have no problem with that. As a moviegoer not knowing much about Ben, I didn't have a problem with it. The picture you have there shows a difference, but then I turn around and watch the movie, and honestly I see no difference in the movie and what I see in pics today on set.

[kedrell]

good idea... and why not jack black as green lantern?

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://superherohype.com/news.php?id=4394

[Vartha]

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9819/img1976gu5.jpg
Wow, you can see the brow being bigger in this pic. I can't wait to see more of Ben & Alica sceens. There just wasn't enough in the 1st film.

[SeverianB]

If he was allowed input then I'd hope he at least told them what a tame effort it was, but I seriously doubt if Chiklis would have much say in the design of the costume in the end: his job is to play the role, not design the way it looks.

Actually, he did have a lot of input. He said he wouldn't have played the role if they did it CGI like the Hulk. He hated that.
So... all the fanboys whining about how they didn't use CGI to make him bigger/more inhuman/blah blah blah.... you can now start shatting on Chiklis, too. I think that will make you happy... another person to ***** to. LOL.

I personally really liked his potrayal and the way the suit let him express his emotions. In my opinion, any CGI would have had a detrimental effect. The thing was one of the high points of the movie. :word:

I hope the fanboi-requested brow they added doesn't inpinge on the actors ability to emote. Then the fanbois will scream "He's too wooden!!!" Dip*****s.

[Vartha]

Yeah we've said it in the past, you can't please everyone all the time, and there are fans out there that have a favorite Thing, and there are a lot of different versions over the years.
I'm easy to please, I knew what they were going for in the 1st film, and I think they did a great job.

[wobbly]

Actually, he did have a lot of input. He said he wouldn't have played the role if they did it CGI like the Hulk. He hated that.
So... all the fanboys whining about how they didn't use CGI to make him bigger/more inhuman/blah blah blah.... you can now start shatting on Chiklis, too. I think that will make you happy... another person to ***** to. LOL.

I personally really liked his potrayal and the way the suit let him express his emotions. In my opinion, any CGI would have had a detrimental effect. The thing was one of the high points of the movie. :word:

I hope the fanboi-requested brow they added doesn't inpinge on the actors ability to emote. Then the fanbois will scream "He's too wooden!!!" Dip*****s.

No need to go and be deliberately inflammatary in your post. So you liked the muted design they came up with? that's fine, but trying to insult or provoke those who think it's a tame effort (and it is) is not called for.

And fyi, Chiklis refusing to take the role if it was gonna be CGI doesn't mean he had any input in the design of the rubber suit itself beyond being a catalyst in the use of one.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Dip*****s.Wow, you're really passionate about dried macaroni rubber circus peanut burn victim man. :huh:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

BTW, I wanted to mention, the mantra about how it had to be make up on Chiklis' face so he could convey emotion?

Horsecrap.

Are any of the people who incessantly repeat this falsehood actually going to sit there and tell me that they felt no emotional impact from Darth Vader, C3PO or even R2D2?

No emotion successfully conveyed by Gollum?
That's preposterous.
I picked up the "emotions" on the characters in Monsters, Inc. Looking For Nemo and even the Kermit the Frog puppet.

So please, stop saying that. It's silly.

Gollum was a billion times more heart-rending and emotionally complex than The Thing was in the movie, and part of the reason is BECAUSE he was CGI......it's too difficult for a man to manipulate pounds of rubber with his facial muscles (especially when the rubber is designed to resemble rock), but it's effortless with CGI.

If it had been CGI, instead of puppeting rubber from insde, each individual rocky SCALE could've interacted, which would've been totally impossible to do practically.

He could've HAD the comicbook eyebrow and he could've raised one eyebrow, it could've gone like this "^" or like this "V" or whatever, while STILL looking more like real rock.

lol, I marvel at how clueless some people are regarding this.


You didn't like the Hulk CG?
Guess what, it was 'cause of the design, not because it was CG.
Everyone knows very well that in a Hulk movie, he should be picking up and swinging army tanks.
Guess what, SO should the Thing.
Now, imagine how laughably retarded it would've looked to have a normal, Human muscle man, with rubber muscles, picking up and flinging a tank. puhLEASE:rolleyes:

Well, that's what they did in the F4 movie, and sorry, it sucked.
Ass.

[Carp Man]

Wilhelm. When I saw you posted in this thread, I almost knew what it was about. You don't like the Thing. Admit it and move on. No CGI for the Thing, they found an actor who was willing to take him on, and did a fantastic job by the way. Take your CGI Thing idea and stick it. There is no way in hell a CGI charactor can display the range of emotions like an actor can. Long live The Thing. Thank you Michele for bringing him to life. Wilhelm, get your a** in that suit 12 hours a day, and let us see if you could do better. :o You know I am passionate when it comes to the Thing. And I do not apoligise for it.

[Hunter Rider]

BTW, I wanted to mention, the mantra about how it had to be make up on Chiklis' face so he could convey emotion?

Horsecrap.

Are any of the people who incessantly repeat this falsehood actually going to sit there and tell me that they felt no emotional impact from Darth Vader, C3PO or even R2D2?

.

I have to agree with this,plenty of characters can convey emotion without even having facial features and with CGI now they can get amazing emotion out of characters,even the dino's in JP

Not that i personally had a huge problem with Thing other than that he looked rubbery in several scenes where you could see folds but on this point Wil is right their isn't a counter argument

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wilhelm. When I saw you posted in this thread, I almost knew what it was about. You don't like the Thing. Admit it and move on. No CGI for the Thing, they found an actor who was willing to take him on, and did a fantastic job by the way. Take your CGI Thing idea and stick it. There is no way in hell a CGI charactor can display the range of emotions like an actor can. Long live The Thing. Thank you Michele for bringing him to life. Wilhelm, get your a** in that suit 12 hours a day, and let us see if you could do better. You know I am passionate when it comes to the Thing. And I do not apoligise for it.

I'm sorry, I was simply responding to SeverianB who said that people who didn't like costume Thing were:
Dip*****s.

Again, the eternal double standard, chastize and persecute those who express their opinion that the suit looked bad, and give carte blanche to those who did like it to yowl just as long and hard about liking it, only without being told to "stick it", and with no consequences for making personal attacks, such as when SeverianB said that people who have a different opinion are Dip*****s.

lol, Well, at least there's a lot of consistency here.:up:

[TripleF]

Actually, he did have a lot of input. He said he wouldn't have played the role if they did it CGI like the Hulk. He hated that.
So... all the fanboys whining about how they didn't use CGI to make him bigger/more inhuman/blah blah blah.... you can now start shatting on Chiklis, too. I think that will make you happy... another person to ***** to. LOL.

I personally really liked his potrayal and the way the suit let him express his emotions. In my opinion, any CGI would have had a detrimental effect. The thing was one of the high points of the movie. :word:

I hope the fanboi-requested brow they added doesn't inpinge on the actors ability to emote. Then the fanbois will scream "He's too wooden!!!" Dip*****s.

Yeah, ya might want to chill alittle bit. Name calling is still name calling whether ya got the **** in there or not. It's all opinion, man. Go with yours, read others, its all good. No need to flame.

[TripleF]

Wilhelm. When I saw you posted in this thread, I almost knew what it was about. You don't like the Thing. Admit it and move on. No CGI for the Thing, they found an actor who was willing to take him on, and did a fantastic job by the way. Take your CGI Thing idea and stick it. There is no way in hell a CGI charactor can display the range of emotions like an actor can. Long live The Thing. Thank you Michele for bringing him to life. Wilhelm, get your a** in that suit 12 hours a day, and let us see if you could do better. :o You know I am passionate when it comes to the Thing. And I do not apoligise for it.

Why should he move on? If people continue to say it looked great, why shouldn't people be able to say that it didn't? You move on from personal attacks, flame wars etc. You don't necessarily have to move on from your opinion.

Stop with the flame crap, man. It's his opinion. Let him have his opinion and you have yours. Debate it man, don't flame it.

[TripleF]

I'm sorry, I was simply responding to SeverianB who said that people who didn't like costume Thing were:


Again, the eternal double standard, chastize and persecute those who express their opinion that the suit looked bad, and give carte blanche to those who did like it to yowl just as long and hard about liking it, only without being told to "stick it", and with no consequences for making personal attacks, such as when SeverianB said that people who have a different opinion are

lol, Well, at least there's a lot of consistency here.:up:

Ya gotta give us time to come and post. Just because no one jumps to it within minutes doesn't mean we don't see where you are coming from.

Give your opinion without the "my right's are being taken away" crap. No one is persecuting you, good lord.

Look at the source. Sev, up there, not sure what got into him. But, come on Carpy up there is simply a flamer. :cwink: Not worth the time typing.

@Carpy, Since when did a girl named Michele play Ben? :cwink: EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO BE PASSIONATE. Not just YOU.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

At least we can all agree that Michael Chiklis was amazingly perfect, right?
I've never heard a single person who didn't think he was awesome.
So that provides some warm+fuzzies. *shrug*

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Give your opinion without the "my right's are being taken away" crap. No one is persecuting you, good lord.Yeah, I'm just coming from the perspective of someone who's been here since before the first movie.
If, in one of my rants back then, and I suspect now, I said Carp Man is a "Dip****" who should take his goofy, rubber Thing costume and "Stick It".
*p00f!*
I'd be banned like "THAT".
True story. :)

[TripleF]

At least we can all agree that Michael Chiklis was amazingly perfect, right?
I've never heard a single person who didn't think he was awesome.
So that provides some warm+fuzzies. *shrug*

Yep, I thought he did a great job. I thought all did a great job, just not all had great writing for them. Even Ben's part would have been better had parts not been cut. :yay: Hmmmm. nope, no warm fuzzy feeling for me on that one. Just an agreement.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

so no group-hug? :(

[Carp Man]

I'm sorry, I was simply responding to SeverianB who said that people who didn't like costume Thing were:


Again, the eternal double standard, chastize and persecute those who express their opinion that the suit looked bad, and give carte blanche to those who did like it to yowl just as long and hard about liking it, only without being told to "stick it", and with no consequences for making personal attacks, such as when SeverianB said that people who have a different opinion are

lol, Well, at least there's a lot of consistency here.:up:

Well I would not put it in those terms. You would perfer a CGI ( Hulk ) type Thing, and thats ok, but not for many of us. Chilkis performance was outstanding. And should be even better for the sequel, because of the experience of the 1st film. All of the actors should be better in their respective parts. We've had some spirited arguments, but I respect your opinion. :yay:

[TripleF]

Yeah, I'm just coming from the perspective of someone who's been here since before the first movie.
If, in one of my rants back then, and I suspect now, I said Carp Man is a "Dip****" who should take his goofy, rubber Thing costume and "Stick It".
*p00f!*
I'd be banned like "THAT".
True story. :)

Nah, I was reading long before Fishboy over there got here. I remember names thrown around like "plebeian", "cheerleaders", "plants", "tools", "sheep". Remember those?

Honestly, good or bad, depending on how ya look at it. Looks to me like a simple, "what goes around comes around". The scales of "loud voices" has simply moved to the other side.

When you are looking in from the outside, you tend to see alot more.:yay:

As for me, doesn't matter the opinion, what matters is the respect of the opinion. I respect your opinion WS. I really do.

[Carp Man]

Yeah, I'm just coming from the perspective of someone who's been here since before the first movie.
If, in one of my rants back then, and I suspect now, I said Carp Man is a "Dip****" who should take his goofy, rubber Thing costume and "Stick It".
*p00f!*
I'd be banned like "THAT".
True story. :)

Hey if you want to tell me to take the Thing costume and shove it, that's cool. Just if you dish it out be ready to take it. I respect all opinions, unless someone wants to be a jerk about it. I'm very passonite and defensive when it comes to the FF in general, and The Thing in particular. :woot:

[mikebatho]

CGI is a bad idea, no matter how you put it. It wasn't because the thing was a costume that it failed, it was because the people behind it were incompetent.

Look at Jim Henson's company, or, for a better exemple, the costumes of the turtles in the original teenage mutant ninja turtles. Masterpieces, all of them. 20 years before what we got with the thing. Or look at Dark crystal, or the legend, or any of the big Jim Henson movies. Wonderful, all of them.

Heck, look at mr. Hyde from LXG. Make a thing as big as that (or rather, as wide, small in high, but wide) using those kinds of makeup, and give him elbrows, and the right kind of noise, and we might actually get something good next time.

CGI is the worst idea though... Never believable, and cost way too much. Bleh. :down


Hyde from LXG Looked terrible. Running around swinging huge, rubber arms, with no real ability to flex or manipulate them under scrutiny.

If they're going with the suit, then we're stuck with it the way it is - by means of size. As it's already been said on here, they made it as big as was possible the first time to still allow free movement with MC.

There's only so much you can do with a guy in a suit, and you have to take that on board before you view these movies, or subscribe to a total CG thing. An animatronic mask would allow for the bigger, more thuggish head features, but on the body of a guy in a suit, how much bigger can it be without dwarfing the body?

I don't want to see a movie where they shoot different parts of the body seperately, like an animatronic head, more realistic hands, then you see a less sophistocated thing as the full body shot, and I think using a CG body with MC made-up will be a mistake. There are still many problems matching CG with real time filming - look at how bad King Kong looked whenever CG Kong was in contact with the real life girl....

Forgive thing his on screen limitations, let them cover up wrinkles where they can, and be grateful that we're seeing an actor at work....

I do agree that the filming around him could indicate much more weight......

[Hunter Rider]

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[Wilhelm-Scream]

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about.

[Carp Man]

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about.

Every time you post a comment about the Thing, I must look. You can not have that look without CGI. And it is not happening. A Thing CG charactor is not happening, should not happen, and thank you Michale Chilkis it is not happening.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm sorry but i have to agree with Wilhelm here, CGI can convey just as much if not more emotion than someone's face covered by rubber. Just look at Hulk, Gollum or King Kong. ALL of them expressed more emotions in thier respective movies than The Thing did in FF IMO. Just look at one scene in the Hulk were he lands outside his old house, looks at it and gulps with a saddened look on his face. It looked so real and i doubt Chiklis could have conveyed the same emotions in a suite in a similar scene.

[fantastic fifth]

Just look at one scene in the Hulk were he lands outside his old house, looks at it and gulps with a saddened look on his face. It looked so real and i doubt Chiklis could have conveyed the same emotions in a suite in a similar scene.

Personally, I thought nothing about the Hulk in that movie looked real.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Really? When was the last time you watched it?

Anyway even so, just look at Gollum and King Kong.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Personally, I thought nothing about the Hulk in that movie looked real.Yeah, when I watch a comicbook movie, I like to see a comicbook "come to life".


I see:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/1-21.jpg


and I see:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/2-7.jpg

aaaaaaaand, I'm gonna have to go with the first one.

[SeverianB]

Look at the source. Sev, up there, not sure what got into him.

Probably Beer and Vodka. Combine that with annoyance from the repeated fanboi whining, and you get a Kramer-like: "dips**ts"
My apologies to all those offended. I'm not a racist, that's the crazy thing.

The Thing worked for me. The Hulk didn't. Gollum was ok, and I'm hoping Silver Surfer is even better. The more fantastic the character, the better CGI works, IMHO. Because of this, I feel the Silver Surfer may be the perfect CGI character.

Oh, and I'll have to go with Lou over the CGI Hulk. To each their own. Oh, and have you seen Lou recently? He still looks like he could put on some green paint and smash some stuff. :)

[Wilhelm-Scream]

But the real Hulk can easily pick up and swing army tanks.
Do you have any idea how comical, preposterous and retarded it would look to see an effects set piece where Lou Ferrigno appeared to pick up an army tank and hoist it over his head? :huh:

If you don't want to even have a modicum of faithfulness to the characters, why even make the movie? :huh:

[fantastic fifth]

I do see your point, but as for The Hulk CGI movie (in my opinion) - he looked fake against everything else looking so real. Does that make sense? And no, I would not pick the Hulk TV series over the movie either. Now, the octopus-face dude in Pirates of the Carribean did look real to me and didn't sharply contrast with his surroundings. Maybe it just depends on how it is done and by whom.

[SeverianB]

But the real Hulk can easily pick up and swing army tanks.
Do you have any idea how comical, preposterous and retarded it would look to see an effects set piece where Lou Ferrigno appeared to pick up an army tank and hoist it over his head? :huh:

If you don't want to even have a modicum of faithfulness to the characters, why even make the movie? :huh:

Well, the question we should be asking is: What looks better? The CGI Hulk, picking up a CGI tank, or a "real" Hulk picking up a CGI tank? Or a combo of CGI and "real"? For me, the CGI isn't there yet for the human-like characters, like the Hulk. I liked the Thing better than the Hulk. Simple as that.

To me, seeing an obviously CGI Hulk throwing stuff around in a real world situation was "comical, preposterous and retarded". I'm not the only one.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, when I watch a comicbook movie, I like to see a comicbook "come to life".


I see:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/1-21.jpg


and I see:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/2-7.jpg

aaaaaaaand, I'm gonna have to go with the first one.

Yeah me too, the CGI Hulk is closer to the comic and more believable in the feats he achieves IMO.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

People forget, if you saw a giant green man, in real life, lifting a tank, it would look "fake" to you.

I have seen so many real, actual decayed human corpses that look SO much more fake than corpses you'll see in big-budget Horror movies, CSI, etc.

I hated the design of the Hulk, 'cause Ang was so concerned with humanizing him that he said "Don't make him look like a big green ape.", but that's what he LOOKS like! So there were shots where he had a BABY-FACE.:down

But as far as "fake-looking", the only parts that looked really fake to me were when he was a little spec "flying" after a jump.
Thing is though, that's what it would look like, if you ever saw a giant green man flying through the sky.


But all of this is irrelevant. I think most agree that Gollum looked amazing and was at least cooler than a skinny guy in a scuba suit with an animatronic mask on, and EVERYone seems to agree that the squidhead in the pirate movie looked really real (I don't watch pirate movies, so...)

And I never said, "They should've done the Thing with CRAPPY or sometimes PRETTY PASSABLE CGI!:up:"
I'm saying that you can't do the character effectively without superb, state-of-the-art CGI.
If you can't afford it, don't make the movie. Wait till technology improves and gets cheaper.*shrug*

To finally see the Thing in a movie, stretching and fiddling with his rubber fingers, and with puny human proportions was heart-breaking.

[Carp Man]

That's what makes it a world, everyone has different tasts. As for the CGI Hulk in the movie, CGI was needed. The Hulk can do more things then The Thing. His leaping ability for one. The Thing could life a tank, but as far as swinging it ? Hasn't been shown. So For the movie CGI Hulk, yes. For FF, CGI Thing, NO. Just like Story said about the Surfer, CGI was way to go because no human could acomplish the things the Surfer can. So CGI Surfer, yes.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

That's what makes it a world, everyone has different tasts. As for the CGI Hulk in the movie, CGI was needed. The Hulk can do more things then The Thing. His leaping ability for one. The Thing could life a tank, but as far as swinging it ? Hasn't been shown. So For the movie CGI Hulk, yes. For FF, CGI Thing, NO. Just like Story said about the Surfer, CGI was way to go because no human could acomplish the things the Surfer can. So CGI Surfer, yes.Heh, 40 years of comics.

The Thing has been shown lifting an entire apartment building off of the ground and his rivalry with the Hulk has been going for decades.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/2.jpg

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http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/6.jpg

He's a little smaller than the Hulk but has held his own and he can easily throw a tank.


Only way to do the Hulk justice is CGI.
Only way to do the Thing justice is CGI.
End of story.

[Carp Man]

The question for the ages. Who is stronger ? Never be an answer. :woot:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Heh, 40 years of comics.

The Thing has been shown lifting an entire apartment building off of the ground and his rivalry with the Hulk has been going for decades.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/2.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/3.jpg

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http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/6.jpg

He's a little smaller than the Hulk but has held his own and he can easily throw a tank.


Only way to do the Hulk justice is CGI.
Only way to do the Thing justice is CGI.
End of story.

Totally agree with all of this.

[Felix]

I think this would be more bingo with those sadly human proportions..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/The%20Thing/TheRealThingCostume.jpg


Augh!

I completely forgot I did this!

*painful flashback of hours spent on this kind of stuff*

[Malus]

The question for the ages. Who is stronger ? Never be an answer. :woot:
I'm pretty sure Hulk is officially stronger. I'm sure someone out there has Marvels' official stats on that.
But Ben is smarter, which is why he's always held his own and come real close to cleaning the Hulk's clock a couple of times.
I hope someday they'll let Ben win outright by outwitting him.

[terry78]

Strength Level: The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range. In human form Bruce Banner possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in no regular exercise.

Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.


Depends on how pissed Hulk is. If he's trying to fight, then Thing gets taken down. If he's just chilling, then The Thing has the upper hand.

[Carp Man]

I'm pretty sure Hulk is officially stronger. I'm sure someone out there has Marvels' official stats on that.
But Ben is smarter, which is why he's always held his own and come real close to cleaning the Hulk's clock a couple of times.
I hope someday they'll let Ben win outright by outwitting him.

The Hulk is stronger, but the Thing, is smarter, and more agile then the Hulk. When Bruce Banner becomes the Hulk, the Hulk is just all brute force, no brains. So what the Thing lacks in brute force, he compensates in other ways. He can outthink, and outmanuver the Hulk.

[highguard]

Strength Level: The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range. In human form Bruce Banner possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in no regular exercise.

Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.


Depends on how pissed Hulk is. If he's trying to fight, then Thing gets taken down. If he's just chilling, then The Thing has the upper hand.

I think this is about right, however in the ultimate universe, the thing is significantly stronger and as demonstrated when he went up against the zombie Hulk, Thing seems to be stronger in the ultimate universe.

And by the way Namor is significantly stronger than both of them in the ultimate world.

[Norm3]

I hope the movie Hulk never meets the movie Thing, because with the Hulk at a retarded 15 ft tall & an under 6ft Thing, its no contest. Infact it would look ridiculous!

[Felix]

I hope the movie Hulk never meets the movie Thing, because with the Hulk at a retarded 15 ft tall & an under 6ft Thing, its no contest. Infact it would look ridiculous!

http://www.webalice.it/felixpetruska/hulkvsthing.jpg

(caption welcomed)

[Norm3]

http://www.webalice.it/felixpetruska/hulkvsthing.jpg

(caption welcomed)

Exactly!:csad:

[wobbly]

I made this one quite a while back now but at least here the proportions of the Hulk & Thing are about right:

http://www.kellcom.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Hulk-Vs-Thing-FLAT-LARGE.jpg


For anyone wanting to see a rematch with Ben getting some payback I have started on one...may be while before I get it finished tho' (too much seasonal cheer and morning afters to contend with atm).

[Malus]

Strength Level: The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range. In human form Bruce Banner possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in no regular exercise.

Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.


Depends on how pissed Hulk is. If he's trying to fight, then Thing gets taken down. If he's just chilling, then The Thing has the upper hand.

That assumption is entirely based on strength levels. Hulk may be at his mightiest when enraged, but if he's like most people I know, the madder he gets the stupider and more careless he also gets. But Ben Grimm keeps his composure (and humor) under just about any circumstances, including battling an enraged Hulk.
It's always been a draw in the past, but under the right circumstances, I give Ben the edge. The only time Hulk ever defeated him outright was when Ben was distracted by Alicia's concerned voice in FF #112.

Personally, I don't think we'll ever get a definitive outcome on this one. :yay:

[Vartha]

hehehe I personally Can't wait to see Hank pym pee his pants when Hulk returns, cuz that's when the real THOR returns at the end of WWH. :D

[Franklin Richards]

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:thing: :thing: :thing:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wow, in all those representations of the Thing, spanning decades...from the 60's, to the 70's, to the 80's, 90's and into the 2000's...I'm noticing a prominent characteristic...kind of like how you can look at a thousand different Batman's, from the 40's, to the smiling 50's, to the campy TV show, to the Neal Adams 70's, to Frank Miller in the 80's, the Michael Keaton, the Val Kilmer, the animated show or the Christian Bale and always see some version of the little pointy Bat-Ears......

Hmmm.....he's always orange, rocky-looking...and, there's something else...what is it? :huh:


:whatever: