5.17 - Void (Spoilers) Discussion Thread

[Mike_D202]

Yea and that speech sounds very kick ass. The John Williams score at the end of the speech would be the cherry on the sundae.

[MJZ]

Actually I think this season has been pretty great so far, one of the best for sure.

They just need to advance the storyline more, as is always the case.

[avidreader]

He's all about manipulating people to get his way, if getting Clark to Honduras (and away from his family and friends) helps him in anyway, I bet you might be right.

Clark may know that Lex went to Honduras and he probably may be aware of the Kryptonian stuff in Honduras. It could be enough to have him check it out, especially if SuperChloe also knows something.

Actually I think this season has been pretty great so far, one of the best for sure.

They just need to advance the storyline more, as is always the case.

Its called WB wants us to go for another two seasons now.

[GothicPowerMix1]

SuperChloe

Please dont start :o

[avidreader]

Please dont start :o

Yeah, I'd rather end it right now.:up:

[The Sage]

Now this was a kick ass trailer , compared to the one The WB showed after "Hypnotic".

That speech Jonathan gives Clark is the main thing I'm looking forward to in this episode. That and more is revealed about Brainiac's Masterplan .

Jonathan Kent : "I am so very proud that I died protecting you. Lionel Luthor knows your secret, you've gotta keep your mother safe, you gotta keep the whole world safe, this is your destiny son. You are going to touch the lives of so many people, not just as a man,
but as a symbol. You're a symbol of peace, you're a symbol of justice."


That does sound like a great speech. Now the question is will they do something with it, or is it just one night only?

[GothicPowerMix1]

That does sound like a great speech. Now the question is will they do something with it, or is it just one night only?

Knowing Smallville it is one night only :o

[Mike_D202]

My guess is: great episode and morals/lessons for the night, completely forgotten by clark the next week accompanying another girl who wants to sleep with him/kill him. :D

[The Caped Knight]

Knowing Smallville it is one night only :o

Yeah I agree :o

[GothicPowerMix1]

Yeah I agree :o

Same with the so called "Break Up" with those Two it will be like it never happened

[The Sage]

Same with the so called "Break Up" with those Two it will be like it never happened

Just like Lex's turn at the end of Lexmas.:o

[GothicPowerMix1]

Just like Lex's turn at the end of Lexmas.:o

EXACTLY

While sure Lana & Clark may not be "together, together" but it will still feel like those Two are. They need to start keeping those Two seperated with those Two avoiding each other like couples do after break ups. Then later they become the Friends we all like them to be with Lana knowing everything

[avidreader]

Same with the so called "Break Up" with those Two it will be like it never happened

Lex went ahead with the election and proceeded to dig up dirt on Jonathan, which prevented him from becoming the person that he became in the Lexmas episode.

[The Sage]

Lex went ahead with the election and proceeded to dig up dirt on Jonathan, which prevented him from becoming the person that he became in the Lexmas episode.

I recall him deciding in the next episode not to go through with it or Griff being killed.

I was expecting Lex to deliver an aggressive and dirty campaign after Lexmas.

[GothicPowerMix1]

I recall him deciding in the next episode not to go through with it or Griff being killed.

I was expecting Lex to deliver an aggressive and dirty campaign after Lexmas.

:up:

[avidreader]

I recall him deciding in the next episode not to go through with it or Griff being killed.

I was expecting Lex to deliver an aggressive and dirty campaign after Lexmas.

He did go ahead with it, but Lionel intercepted it.

[KalKai]

EXACTLY

While sure Lana & Clark may not be "together, together" but it will still feel like those Two are. They need to start keeping those Two seperated with those Two avoiding each other like couples do after break ups. Then later they become the Friends we all like them to be with Lana knowing everything

So if Lana is dying you'd want Clark to let her die just because they broke up the day before? lol.

People close to him will always need help, and Clark will always be there for them, no matter what.

[The Sage]

He did go ahead with it, but Lionel intercepted it.

And because of that, Lex didn't go ahead with his plans of playing dirty?

[The Sage]

So if Lana is dying you'd want Clark to let her die just because they broke up the day before? lol.


No I expect him to reverse time and exchange her life for someone else's, or balance the universe.:O

[avidreader]

And because of that, Lex didn't go ahead with his plans of playing dirty?

Well they were still trying at the beginning of Lockdown but Lex finally admitted that there was nothing dirty to get on Jonathan Kent. Suggesting that he was still trying to dig something up.

[The Sage]

Well they were still trying at the beginning of Lockdown but Lex finally admitted that there was nothing dirty to get on Jonathan Kent. Suggesting that he was still trying to dig something up.

Well there is that episode where Jonathan was framed but cleared.

[Super_Ludacris]

whether there together or not aint an issue, Lana and Clark still need to interact seeing as there like oh I dunno.....THE TWO MAIN CHARACTERS ON THE SHOW! lol

[avidreader]

Well there is that episode where Jonathan was framed but cleared.

Yeah and Lex knows about that. It was a fraud and therefore irrelevant. Lex wouldnt present dirt on someone unless he knew that it was going to be so damaging that they couldnt come back from it.

[AgentPat]

...People close to him will always need help, and Clark will always be there for them, no matter what.Y'know, I don't think I've EVER disagreed with you Kal...





























...and I'm not about to start now. Bravo! :up:

[KalKai]

She's in danger in almost every episode anyway, so it's impossible for them not to see each other.

[avidreader]

Y'know, I don't think I've EVER disagreed with you Kal...


...and I'm not about to start now. Bravo! :up:

He's always so direct and straight to the point. I like that. :up:

[KalKai]

Oh thank you. :)

[The Sage]

whether there together or not aint an issue, Lana and Clark still need to interact seeing as there like oh I dunno.....THE TWO MAIN CHARACTERS ON THE SHOW! lol

Oh really? I thought Clark Kent and Lex Luthor were the main characters of the show, and that it was their story.

[The Sage]

She's in danger in almost every episode anyway, so it's impossible for them not to see each other.

I bet when she gets in danger, she'll go to Clark, the man that she's gonna supposedly hate, for help.

[AgentPat]

Oh thank you. :)No, no. Thank YOU! We need more folks like you to haul arses out of the negative funk that breeds with alacrity around here sometimes. :(

[Super_Ludacris]

Oh really? I thought Clark Kent and Lex Luthor were the main characters of the show, and that it was their story.

Ya rly lol. We have the big 3 then Lex and Clark we know but when you think of Superman and Smallville you think Lana too.

[Super_Ludacris]

I bet when she gets in danger, she'll go to Clark, the man that she's gonna supposedly hate, for help.

Who said that its hate implicitly speaking?

[The Sage]

Ya rly lol. We have the big 3 then Lex and Clark we know but when you think of Superman and Smallville you think Lana too.

Hmm, true true.

Who said that its hate implicitly speaking?

Martha Kent.

[Super_Ludacris]

Hmm, true true.



Martha Kent.


**** what that ginger ***** thinks lol. She dissin Lana........sheit 20 plus years ago she WAS Lana:eek:

My point is Lana and Clark may have up and downs as friends or lovers but there cannot be the true definition of hate there, that is impossible no matter how the writers spin it. Deep down there still cool with each other. WE all know that at the very least

[triplet]

Oh really? I thought Clark Kent and Lex Luthor were the main characters of the show, and that it was their story.

Going by credit order, Michael is third lead I believe..

Kristin is second.

She's also second on the IMDB listing, btw.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Hmm, true true.



Martha Kent.

Actually Martha said Clark gave her a reason to hate him. She did not say she WILL hate him. After all the times Clark has saved her ass & afl that stuff give it a day Lana will not as Martha said "hate" Clark

[The Sage]

Going by credit order, Michael is third lead I believe..

Kristin is second.

She's also second on the IMDB listing, btw.

What?!! Curses!!

[MJZ]

Actually Martha said Clark gave her a reason to hate him. She did not say she WILL hate him. After all the times Clark has saved her ass & afl that stuff give it a day Lana will not as Martha said "hate" Clark

Oh I think she's gonna be quite the ***** in the coming weeks. Baldy doesn't help matters, that rat-bastard!

[Super_Ludacris]

What?!! Curses!!


You've just notice this?:confused: :o

[Lara]

Yes they need to interact but at the same time after the train wreck of last week I wish we could have a break from their painful brand of "interaction".

[Super_Ludacris]

Sure but them interacting doesnt mean they gotta dwell on there relationship in the past

[Lara]

Maybe not but I'm almost 100% psotive that they will dwell on it and that it will be painful to watch. I just hope Clark takes her being mad at him like a man and doesn't turn around and get all sorry for himself.

[BaK]

Maybe not but I'm almost 100% psotive that they will dwell on it and that it will be painful to watch.
no pain no gain..:up:

[BaK]

My guess is: great episode and morals/lessons for the night, completely forgotten by clark the next week accompanying another girl who wants to sleep with him/kill him. :D
uh uh... uh uh uh.. uh uh uh..
cool..

[avidreader]

New clip


http://www.tv.com/media_player/4814/4/viewer.php&context_type=101&context_id=1718&rgroup=8402
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Serene]

New clip


http://www.tv.com/media_player/4814/4/viewer.php&context_type=101&context_id=1718&rgroup=8402
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Oh man! Lionel! Gaaah!

[avidreader]

Oh man! Lionel! Gaaah!

Creepy! And the way he said "Claark". Shivers.

[AgentPat]

*sniff*

I can't view it till I go home. What's on the clip? Somebody fill me in; I'm dying to know. :(

[Scooter]

Gotta love Lionel's man-mane. ****in' awesome...

[avidreader]

*sniff*

I can't view it till I go home. What's on the clip? Somebody fill me in; I'm dying to know. :(

Martha comes downstairs all dressed to the nine's. Clark tells her how beautiful she looks, she's about to have dinner with the Governor. Then Clark says I need to talk to you about something.

Knock on the door.....Lionel Luthor walks in. Martha and Lionel go all googly eyed at one another and Clark's just standing there in shock.

Martha kisses Clark goodbye and says we'll talk tomorrow.

Lionel says "Good night Clark" with a real emphasis on the Clark.

Then Martha and Lionel leave.

Clark looks devastated.

[Serene]

*sniff*

I can't view it till I go home. What's on the clip? Somebody fill me in; I'm dying to know. :(

Martha comes down the stairs dressed to the nines - really dolled up. Clark is a little blown away, but he wants to tell her something (I assume that it's about Jonathan telling him that Lionel knows his secret). Before Clark gets a chance to tell her, Lionel comes to the door to pick Martha up. He compliments her and says to Clark, "Isn't she beautiful?" Clark is speechless. Martha gives him a kiss and says they'll talk tomorrow. Lionel shuts the door behind them saying to Clark.. "Goodbye... Claark." The pause before the name is very purposeful.

ETA: LOL! Avid and I both used the same description of Martha. Too funny. :D

[avidreader]

ETA: LOL! Avid and I both used the same description of Martha. Too funny. :D

We really do sound alike. :D

[rumpuso]

Holy Beejeezus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Serene, also just to add to your description of the scene, Clark is speechless because of Lionel being at the door. He looks like he *needs* to talk to Martha immediately and now the opportunity has passed. And, Martha senses his discord.

I think we're going to see a protective Clark in this episode. Makes me wonder if he'll somehow follow Martha to the event, but stay in the shadows. He looked like he was freaked out about Lionel.

[AgentPat]

Oh, WOW! Thanks guys. I haven't been overly looking forward to this episode for various reasons, but that scene sounds freakin' awesome! I can't wait. :up: :D

[Lara]

Ok I admit it I think Lionel is sexy if I were Martha........

[avidreader]

Ok I admit it I think Lionel is sexy if I were Martha........

The Red lipstick that Martha is wearing looks yuck and so does not go with that bronze coloured dress.

[Serene]

Ok I admit it I think Lionel is sexy if I were Martha........

LOL... I think he definitely has a certain charm to him. As long as you don't really know him well. :)

And Avid.. I agree about Martha's lipstick. Yikes. Her hair and dress were beautiful though.

[triplet]

The Red lipstick that Martha is wearing looks yuck and so does not go with that bronze coloured dress.

That lipstick was SO the wrong color for that dress....

You're right.

[avidreader]

That lipstick was SO the wrong color for that dress....

You're right.

She kinda reminds me of my mother in law who has like one stick of lipstick, which she's had for about 10 years, and that's the only colour she wears, regardless of how well it goes with what she's wearing or whether it suits her. :D

Does anyone else think that its a little strange that Martha is getting this close to Lionel, considering past history? Or is she really that vulnerable and gullible?

[BaK]

We really do sound alike. :D
maybe you can start finishing each other's sentences.. :)

[The Sage]

New clip


http://www.tv.com/media_player/4814/4/viewer.php&context_type=101&context_id=1718&rgroup=8402
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Hmm, this week's episode might not be so bad after all. I was getting upset until Martha said she was going to the Governor's.

But this, if they're actually handle this Martha/Lionel relationship and tackle the issues, then....*Smiles*

[triplet]

She kinda reminds me of my mother in law who has like one stick of lipstick, which she's had for about 10 years, and that's the only colour she wears, regardless of how well it goes with what she's wearing or whether it suits her. :D

Does anyone else think that its a little strange that Martha is getting this close to Lionel, considering past history? Or is she really that vulnerable and gullible?

I think she's vulnerable.... she's still missing Jonathan no doubt, but also knows she needs to move on... (why are the lyrics of Peter Gabriel's "I Grieve" popping into my head right now....? ;) :D )

He's a master manipulator, he's exploiting her vulnerability for some reason...

I mean, that's the mystery here, isn't it? Why is Lionel courting Martha?

Is it because of Clark or is because of her position in the State Senate or is there some other reason...

He knows Clark's secret, so why is he keeping it to himself and even apparently protecting Clark?

"Your secret is safe with me, Kal-El...."

I can't wait to find out WTF is up with him....

[Serene]

Does anyone else think that its a little strange that Martha is getting this close to Lionel, considering past history? Or is she really that vulnerable and gullible?

I think there is some of that, certainly..but I also think that Martha probably feels like she can handle Lionel. She's not stupid, but I can see Martha being the type of person to believe in people and trust them until proven otherwise.

Lionel knows this about her and will play it to the hilt.

[The Sage]

She kinda reminds me of my mother in law who has like one stick of lipstick, which she's had for about 10 years, and that's the only colour she wears, regardless of how well it goes with what she's wearing or whether it suits her. :D

Does anyone else think that its a little strange that Martha is getting this close to Lionel, considering past history? Or is she really that vulnerable and gullible?

I thought she was just going to the governor's house for dinner? I'm hoping it's not a serious relationship with Lionel. It's too soon. Plus it makes you look at Martha and turn your head to the side?

[avidreader]

I guess it will be interesting to see how it plays out, but Lionel has done some pretty questionnable things to Clark and you would hope she hasnt forgotten.

She also knows how Jonathan felt about him, not that she has to feel the same, but....

Maybe she thinks he's a changed man. I certainly hope that Lionel is accompanying her to the dinner as an escort and not as a potential.

[The Sage]

I guess it will be interesting to see how it plays out, but Lionel has done some pretty questionnable things to Clark and you would hope she hasnt forgotten.

She also knows how Jonathan felt about him, not that she has to feel the same, but....

Maybe she thinks he's a changed man. I certainly hope that Lionel is accompanying her to the dinner as an escort and not as a potential.
:up: :up: :up:

[MJZ]

I'd keep him away from my mother.

[AgentPat]

Hmm, this week's episode might not be so bad after all. I was getting upset until Martha said she was going to the Governor's.

But this, if they're actually handle this Martha/Lionel relationship and tackle the issues, then....*Smiles*I have a feeling that scene probably won't play out till very near the end. This will be a Lana-centric episode, more than likely...

[rumpuso]

Agreed, especially because Clark wants to discuss something with his mother...which he may have learned from his dad during his experience with the krypto bad shot juice thingamajigy (whatever!).

[AgentPat]

Agreed, especially because Clark wants to discuss something with his mother...which he may have learned from his dad during his experience with the krypto bad shot juice thingamajigy (whatever!).Exactly. I also don't expect to see too much Clark in this ep. What we do see will probably be a lot of flashback B roll. Welling would have needed a few days prep time (bare minimum) for next week's ep.

[Serene]

This will be a Lana-centric episode, more than likely...

LOL.. I swear, I felt your shudder from here. :D

Exactly. I also don't expect to see too much Clark in this ep. What we do see will probably be a lot of flashback B roll. Welling would have needed a few days prep time (bare minimum) for next week's ep.
That's what I was thinking..this ep will be a little Tom-light because of how much work he was probably doing to get ready for his big directorial debut.

But I think this is going to be Lana's - Splinter/Tomb/Shattered. I wonder if we'll get a Lois-goes-wacky episode next season?

[The Sage]

I have a feeling that scene probably won't play out till very near the end. This will be a Lana-centric episode, more than likely...

Sounds like I'll be doing a lot of fast forwarding.

[Super_Ludacris]

oh fan ****ing tastic. The one time KK gets to show some slight emotion range as Lana and prove she can act, and it turns out into episode that is gonna make people hate Lana even more.

You know I think they do this just to mess with me, it happens all the time with things i like. Penny Hardaway was my favourite ballplayer and he look how he turned out.

I bet you on Thursday the Pistons will lose to Miami just to further spite my night

[AgentPat]

LOL.. I swear, I felt your shudder from here. :Dhttp://www.patcostello.com/smileys/busted.gif

But I think this is going to be Lana's - Splinter/Tomb/Shattered...Don't forget Onyx, and in some ways, Red. ;)

Sounds like I'll be doing a lot of fast forwarding.I feel your pain, Sage. :p

[Serene, you didn't see that]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/whistle.gif






Seriously though, I have no doubt that this ep will be Kreuk's turn to shine.
She's never really been given a chance to flex her acting muscle.
But given the *plot* of this particular episode.... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ohwell.gif


<- Sooooo not into these kinds of topics (drug abuse) in films and shows. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/disappointed.gif

[The Sage]

oh fan ****ing tastic. The one time KK gets to show some slight emotion range as Lana and prove she can act, and it turns out into episode that is gonna make people hate Lana even more.

You know I think they do this just to mess with me, it happens all the time with things i like. Penny Hardaway was my favourite ballplayer and he look how he turned out.

I bet you on Thursday the Pistons will lose to Miami just to further spite my night

On a great note, Maryland beat Duke last night.:up:

[Super_Ludacris]

On a great note, Maryland beat Duke last night.:up:


Yeah in Women's Basketball. I would give two ****s if I was an avid L word/View/Lifetime channel watcher:o

[The Caped Knight]

New clip


http://www.tv.com/media_player/4814/4/viewer.php&context_type=101&context_id=1718&rgroup=8402
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

OMG, that scene with Lionel & Martha was creepy, And how could Martha go out with That SON OF A *****, :mad: She knows Jonathan doesn't like neither does Clark .

The Whole Lionel & Martha thing is making me sick .

[Super_Ludacris]

OMG, that scene with Lionel & Martha was creepy, And how could Martha go out with That SON OF A *****, :mad: She knows Jonathan doesn't like neither does Clark .

The Whole Lionel & Martha thing is making me sick .


ugh...because the writers choose to *shrug*:confused:

[Serene]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/busted.gif

Don't forget Onyx, and in some ways, Red.

I feel your pain, Sage. :p

[Serene, you didn't see that]
I did too! ;) :p

Seriously though, I have no doubt that this ep will be Kreuk's turn to shine.
She's never really been given a chance to flex her acting muscle.
But given the *plot* of this particular episode.... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ohwell.gif

<- Sooooo not into these kinds of topics (drug abuse) in films and shows. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/disappointed.gif

Well as much as I like Lana/KK.. I'm still hoping Clark won't be too absent from this ep. The more Clark the better in any ep, IMO. Episodes that feature the other characters are sorta hit and miss. While I loved Onyx and Shattered.. I hated Tomb and Lucy. Maybe I just like Lex more than the other girls. So, we'll see how this one goes. In some ways, this is Lana's "grieving" episode over losing Clark, not unlike Vengeance was for him. I'm really curious as to how they are going to handle the "drug" message, considering the audience for this show. I hope it's not too Afternoon Special..

SuperLud - Ya just gotta roll with it, hon. It's never going to change. :)

[The Caped Knight]

This will be a Lana-centric episode, more than likely...

Oh God, :o :down :down

[Super_Ludacris]

Sounds good, even better knowing Kal hates it :)


*makes faces like you would to a pet or a baby*
"who's an angry wittle fanboy...you are, aint ya" :)

[avidreader]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/busted.gif



Seriously though, I have no doubt that this ep will be Kreuk's turn to shine.
She's never really been given a chance to flex her acting muscle.
But given the *plot* of this particular episode.... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ohwell.gif




Depends! If its actually an episode that is about Clark, it could work in my mind.

I'm still of the thought that she will be experiencing a "what if" scenario. I dont think she keeps juicing herself up to hear her parents say how much they love her.

And in that case if she's after this drug for a reason, then it wont come off as a huge drug addiction type of thing.

[rumpuso]

Well, I may be in the minority here, but I honestly think Kristin does a very good job with each season; and improves season to season. I think the storylines they give her are bullhockey, but I think she delivers the ridiculous scenarios in a believable fashion and to me, that shows talent.

I'm hoping that while this episode seems to focus on her emotional break due to her break-up with Clark, that the B storyline of Lionel's interest in Clark is played up just as much.

(And a big, big public thank you to Serene for my lovely new avatar!)

[AgentPat]

Depends! If its actually an episode that is about Clark, it could work in my mind.What worked for me was the RedK metaphors and parallels. There was nothing visceral about Clark and his "little red rock." This ep, on the other hand, is about somebody shooting up drugs with a needle. Blech. Gives me the willies. I'm just not into THAT kind of "entertainment."

I'll still watch the ep, but I'll probably find something else to do - like feed my cat, or take out the trash - during Lana's needle scenes.

[Mike_D202]

I dont know, I think this episode might actually be another great one from the looks of things (if you put aside Lana's drug addiction, haha).

[Super_Ludacris]

Well, I may be in the minority here, but I honestly think Kristin does a very good job with each season; and improves season to season. I think the storylines they give her are bullhockey, but I think she delivers the ridiculous scenarios in a believable fashion and to me, that shows talent.
I'm hoping that while this episode seems to focus on her emotional break due to her break-up with Clark, that the B storyline of Lionel's interest in Clark is played up just as much.

(And a big, big public thank you to Serene for my lovely new avatar!)

Well that's what I feel. I'm not gonna completely defend Lana on things but I've said there's logic as to why she's like that. But as far as KK goes I mean if that's how the writers want then what she gonna do. At least in the ridiculous episode (Spell, Thirst) she has fun with it shows a little charisma and animation.
And I know this episode is gonna be something that people dont want to see (Drug Addiction) and I have voluntarily not choosen to see the preview just so I can judge the episode itself but how she plays a person strung out might be a challenge.If she can do it convincingly then regardless of what you think of her and her character give her props for an actress who's on a learning curve.
One of the reasons I like Smallvile IS because its not just about Superman every episode, the show has grown into a story on its own and that's fine.
Sadly when it finishes on Thursday we gonna get some bull**** rhetoric on the net about it.

[Serene]

(And a big, big public thank you to Serene for my lovely new avatar!)
Aww.. shucks. :O

I love that picture of him. It's so wonderfully candid, you can't help but smile at it. Glad it worked out. ;)

[BaK]

I am imagining void, as void within her caused by parents absence she hoped to fill all this time with Clark's/anyone's true love, now realizing it might never really happen..

So she's doing the desperate thing to somehow escape/deny it owning her..

Clark will be there for her.. somehow.. :)

[tonytr1687]

Why is everyone turned off by an episode featuring drug-related themes? What are you 10 years old?

[avidreader]

Why is everyone turned off by an episode featuring drug-related themes? What are you 10 years old?

I'm not. I've actually really been looking forward to this episode. :)

Clark's discovery of the spaceship in Honduras.
Jonathan's return and powerful speech.
I think we'll get a better insight as to where Lana's allegiance lies after this episode.
And now we've got the Lionel stuff as well.

Sounds great to me. :up:

I think CrackLana is gonna be cool to see.

[Mike_D202]

Actually I think its a clever theme for the episode. I think ppl are just turned off by the fact Lana is doing it becuase her and clark broke up.

[Super_Ludacris]

pretty much sums it up, it could be a very good episode (maybe not but the slight hope is there).......:( I mean,.....:( ....Damn, I just hope Kristin Kreuk gives a great performance like I'm hoping I'mma leave it at that :(

[triplet]

I'm not. I've actually really been looking forward to this episode. :)

Clark's discovery of the spaceship in Honduras.
Jonathan's return and powerful speech.
I think we'll get a better insight as to where Lana's allegiance lies after this episode.
And now we've got the Lionel stuff as well.

Sounds great to me. :up:

I think CrackLana is gonna be cool to see.

I agree! :up:

Can't be worse than Hypnotic anyway... ;) :p

[triplet]

To see the QT trailer, take a look see here or right click and save target as to get your very own copy:

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[tonytr1687]

Actually I think its a clever theme for the episode. I think ppl are just turned off by the fact Lana is doing it becuase her and clark broke up.

Why? I mean isnt it obvious she's doing it so she can keep seeing her parents? Sure the break-up may contribute a little but the driving factor is that she gets to see her parents

[JackMercy]

So...ahh... anyone see next week's TV Guide yet...?

;)

[Mike_D202]

Why? I mean isnt it obvious she's doing it so she can keep seeing her parents? Sure the break-up may contribute a little but the driving factor is that she gets to see her parents

cause some ppl think that they'll get back together and are just sick of the whole clana thing. Who knows.

[MJZ]

So...ahh... anyone see next week's TV Guide yet...?

;)

Tease.

[BaK]

Why is everyone turned off by an episode featuring drug-related themes? What are you 10 years old?
well, haters just need another excuse to go "feed the cat"..
lovers are just afraid of haters "field day" with Lana the "Kate Moss of Smallville"..

me, I like her no matter what.. :)

[avidreader]

So...ahh... anyone see next week's TV Guide yet...?

;)

I've seen the scans.

It all looks good to me, in every aspect.

[rumpuso]

You know, this episode may turn out like Memoria in a way. I LOVED that episode so much, and even though it primarily focused on Lex's past, my favorite parts had to do with Clark. So, I'm hoping that even though we'll get some incite into Lana's psyche, the parts relating to Clark will shine heavily as they did in Memoria.

[avidreader]

You know, this episode may turn out like Memoria in a way. I LOVED that episode so much, and even though it primarily focused on Lex's past, my favorite parts had to do with Clark. So, I'm hoping that even though we'll get some incite into Lana's psyche, the parts relating to Clark will shine heavily as they did in Memoria.

That's what I'm counting on too Rumpuso. I think this episode is going to be a turning point for Lana, and the only way she can turn is for some evidence on Clark or Lex to come to light.

I dont think she's gonna find out the big secret, but she may a learn a thing or two.

[Serene]

That's what I'm counting on too Rumpuso. I think this episode is going to be a turning point for Lana, and the only way she can turn is for some evidence on Clark or Lex to come to light.

I dont think she's gonna find out the big secret, but she may a learn a thing or two.

I have a feeling that she's going to end up closer than ever to Lex by the end of this episode. Perhaps Clark will help her, but once again, she won't know about it because of her drug-induced haze? Maybe Lex pays for her rehab program. :D

Clark may come to try and help her, but I just bet it will be Lex that she turns to at the end of this episode. I don't think she'll want anything to do with Clark this soon after that break-up.

ARRRRGH! I just remembered that I have something to do tomorrow night that I can't get out of. Crap. I'll have to wait until later to watch it. I always panic that something will happen and my Tivo won't record for some reason.

[AgentPat]

Why is everyone turned off by an episode featuring drug-related themes? What are you 10 years old?Is this a rhetorical, or were you directing the question at somebody specific?

...I've actually really been looking forward to this episode. :)

Clark's discovery of the spaceship in Honduras.
Jonathan's return and powerful speech.
I think we'll get a better insight as to where Lana's allegiance lies after this episode.
And now we've got the Lionel stuff as well.These parts should be awesome. I'm looking forward to it as well. :up:

Actually I think its a clever theme for the episode. I think ppl are just turned off by the fact Lana is doing it becuase her and clark broke up.LOL! For what it's worth, that doesn't bother me at all. ;)

Can't be worse than Hypnotic anyway...I watched Hypnotic again this morning and enjoyed it more than the first time I saw it. A lot of the stuff that seemed to be out of left field made more sense on repeat viewings. It's an ep I'll look forward to watching again, unlike... *shudder* Spirit. :p

Why? I mean isnt it obvious she's doing it so she can keep seeing her parents? Sure the break-up may contribute a little but the driving factor is that she gets to see her parentsNot wanting to see somebody put a needle in their arm and shoot up drugs has less to do with the reason they're doing it than the act itself - especially when seen on a fantasy show viewed for escapist fun and entertainment. Everybody here seems to have missed that little detail. To wit...

well, haters just need another excuse to go "feed the cat":rolleyes:

I'll quote myself again. Maybe if I boldface the important parts, some folks might understand, or at least pretend to...

What worked for me was the RedK metaphors and parallels. There was nothing visceral about Clark and his "little red rock." This ep, on the other hand, is about somebody shooting up drugs with a needle. Blech. Gives me the willies. I'm just not into THAT kind of "entertainment."Hope that helps.

So...ahh... anyone see next week's TV Guide yet...?Ah, Jack! I had no idea you were a fan of Prison Break? You should pose the question over yonder. It might inspire some interesting discussion there. :cool:

[avidreader]

I have a feeling that she's going to end up closer than ever to Lex by the end of this episode. Perhaps Clark will help her, but once again, she won't know about it because of her drug-induced haze? Maybe Lex pays for her rehab program. :D

Clark may come to try and help her, but I just bet it will be Lex that she turns to at the end of this episode. I don't think she'll want anything to do with Clark this soon after that break-up.

ARRRRGH! I just remembered that I have something to do tomorrow night that I can't get out of. Crap. I'll have to wait until later to watch it. I always panic that something will happen and my Tivo won't record for some reason.

She probably will, but will it be real. That's what I want to know.

She sees Clark get stabbed with the injection and sees his immediate reaction to it. Remember Arrival.

[Scooter]

...

[SsM]

I'm looking forward to this ep nonetheless....

[Mike_D202]

Squishmitten.

[tonytr1687]

Is this a rhetorical, or were you directing the question at somebody specific?

These parts should be awesome. I'm looking forward to it as well. :up:

LOL! For what it's worth, that doesn't bother me at all. ;)

I watched Hypnotic again this morning and enjoyed it more than the first time I saw it. A lot of the stuff that seemed to be out of left field made more sense on repeat viewings. It's an ep I'll look forward to watching again, unlike... *shudder* Spirit. :p

Not wanting to see somebody put a needle in their arm and shoot up drugs has less to do with the reason they're doing it than the act itself - especially when seen on a fantasy show viewed for escapist fun and entertainment. Everybody here seems to have missed that little detail. To wit...

:rolleyes:

I'll quote myself again. Maybe if I boldface the important parts, some folks might understand, or at least pretend to...

Hope that helps.

Ah, Jack! I had no idea you were a fan of Prison Break? You should pose the question over yonder. It might inspire some interesting discussion there. :cool:

My question was merely directed at those here who cant seem to handle the thought of (gasp!) a character taking drugs. Yeah okay seeing someone shoot up with a needle may give someone the willies if they dont like needles, but if you're a fan of Smallville (which I assume most ppl here are since they're posting in a friggin forum about it) I dont understand why you'd dread watching an episode just b/c of a needle thats on a TV SCREEN. As far the ppl only watching the show so they can see action and cool powers (entertainment)...maybe you should go watch another show. Frankly I'm glad the writers for Smallville, which is on the normally crappy WB, have the balls to include stuff that makes this show rise above the ritual soap opera crap usually seen (even tho Smallville has some of that too) and give us something deeper when they put their minds to it (Memoria and Lexmas would be two examples).

[AgentPat]

My question was merely directed at those here who cant seem to handle the thought of (gasp!) a character taking drugs.But your question asked "Why is everyone turned off by an episode featuring drug-related themes?" Nobody (including myself) said they couldn't handle it. Hyperbole much? And the "10 years old" crack (no pun intended) was a little over the top as well. :p

... I dont understand why you'd dread watching an episode just b/c of a needle thats on a TV SCREEN.Again with the hyperbole? Where did I say I was dreading this episode? :confused:

As far the ppl only watching the show so they can see action and cool powers (entertainment)...maybe you should go watch another show.I *really* hope that wasn't directed at me seeing as how I'm the one with 8000+ posts here, many of which are spent rabidly defending SV. :rolleyes:

Frankly I'm glad the writers for Smallville, which is on the normally crappy WB, have the balls to include stuff that makes this show rise above the ritual soap opera crap usually seen (even tho Smallville has some of that too) and give us something deeper when they put their minds to it (Memoria and Lexmas would be two examples).Agreed, though I wouldn't put Lexmas nearly as high up on my favorites list as Memoria, but that's just me. :)

[tonytr1687]

But your question asked "Why is everyone turned off by an episode featuring drug-related themes?" Nobody (including myself) said they couldn't handle it. Hyperbole much? And the "10 years old" crack (no pun intended) was a little over the top as well. :p

Again with the hyperbole? Where did I say I was dreading this episode? :confused:

I *really* hope that wasn't directed at me seeing as how I'm the one with 8000+ posts here, many of which are spent rabidly defending SV. :rolleyes:

Agreed, though I wouldn't put Lexmas nearly as high up on my favorites list as Memoria, but that's just me. :)

When I say "you"...I'm using it in general terms. So no, I wasn't referring to you. About Lexmas, yeah I wouldnt say the WHOLE episode is great, but the character development done on Lex is some pretty deep ****.

[SsM]

When I say "you"...I'm using it in general terms. So no, I wasn't referring to you. About Lexmas, yeah I wouldnt say the WHOLE episode is great, but the character development done on Lex is some pretty deep ****. I actually really liked lexmas

[Super_Ludacris]

It was a good episode for Lana too

[Lara]

My question was merely directed at those here who cant seem to handle the thought of (gasp!) a character taking drugs. Yeah okay seeing someone shoot up with a needle may give someone the willies if they dont like needles, but if you're a fan of Smallville (which I assume most ppl here are since they're posting in a friggin forum about it) I dont understand why you'd dread watching an episode just b/c of a needle thats on a TV SCREEN. As far the ppl only watching the show so they can see action and cool powers (entertainment)...maybe you should go watch another show. Frankly I'm glad the writers for Smallville, which is on the normally crappy WB, have the balls to include stuff that makes this show rise above the ritual soap opera crap usually seen (even tho Smallville has some of that too) and give us something deeper when they put their minds to it (Memoria and Lexmas would be two examples).
:down your just impresssed because drug abuse seems edgy to you. Drama doesn't have to be edgy. Do you want a mob family to move into Smallville to? I actually don't care about the drug abuse I just worry that it's Lana and her character has had so many problems already I hope she's not protrayed as so weak that her biyfriend breaks up with her and she starts shooting up. I hope it's explained better.

[Super_Ludacris]

Well obviously its not as basic as that.She uses the stuff to see her parents because that's what the green K does, she's been obsessed with finding them even when she was with Clark (Season 2 anyone?)

[tonytr1687]

:down your just impresssed because drug abuse seems edgy to you. Drama doesn't have to be edgy. Do you want a mob family to move into Smallville to? I actually don't care about the drug abuse I just worry that it's Lana and her character has had so many problems already I hope she's not protrayed as so weak that her biyfriend breaks up with her and she starts shooting up. I hope it's explained better.

It has nothing to do with "edginess"...but I'm not gonna explain myself.

[Super_Ludacris]

For real though, I think you appreciate a story about drugs and how people use it and the morality/consequences in any forum of a show. There's "nothing" edgy that's real.
And we can roll our eyes at the fact its put in a Superman but even the comics have dealt with issues throughout there history like that (I remember there was a story I read of Batman being addicted to steriods).

So its all good

[Mike_D202]

This is Lana's Brain:

http://www.chefdepot.net/graphics11/sautepan2.jpg

This is Lana's Brain on Drugs:

http://www.mylittleworld.co.uk/acatalog/Frying_pan_with_egg.jpg

Any questions?

[BaK]

This is Lana's Brain:

http://www.chefdepot.net/graphics11/sautepan2.jpg

This is Lana's Brain on Drugs:

http://www.mylittleworld.co.uk/acatalog/Frying_pan_with_egg.jpg

Any questions?
yes, proffessor, could you please demonstrate how the silver/black K works?

[Mike_D202]

Silver Kryptonite =

http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~zwhalen/f03/twasson/images/straight%20jacket.jpg

Black Kryptonite =

http://www.tvacres.com/images/twins_doublemint_2005_large.jpg

[tonytr1687]

This is Lana's Brain:

http://www.chefdepot.net/graphics11/sautepan2.jpg

This is Lana's Brain on Drugs:

http://www.mylittleworld.co.uk/acatalog/Frying_pan_with_egg.jpg

Any questions?

Or you know her brain could be like everyone else's, a spongey organ with electrical impulses and the like...but I guess you'd have to have a frying pan for a brain yourself not to realize that or to think hers was anything less than the norm.:rolleyes:

[jr24tw]

This is Lana's Brain:

http://www.chefdepot.net/graphics11/sautepan2.jpg

This is Lana's Brain on Drugs:

http://www.mylittleworld.co.uk/acatalog/Frying_pan_with_egg.jpg

Any questions?

:rolleyes: Not much more to add.

[avidreader]

Tv Guide HotSpot Description:

A drug made from green kryptonite, capable of inducing a form of temporary death, sends Lana on a morbid trip searching for her deceased parents. The effects prove to be more than she can handle, and Lex tries to intervene but only makes things worse. Meanwhile, a tip leads Clark to Honduras, where he hopes to find the mysterious Professor Fine and the black spaceship. The tip, however, comes from Lionel Luthor, whose motives are always suspect. — Rick Toy


The tip comes from Lionel. Interesting.

And Lex actually screws up when he tries to intervene. Who's gonna be the hero with Clark knocked out as well.















SUPERCHLOE :D

[Serene]

SUPERCHLOE :D
LOL!
Well.. we did see her Superspeed in the last episode. Maybe she'll fly in this one. :D

[avidreader]

LOL!
Well.. we did see her Superspeed in the last episode. Maybe she'll fly in this one. :D

No doubt about it. :rolleyes:

I just saw another trailer that Jana posted over at Sweet and Lana is definitely in the room when Clark goes all weak at the knees. She says to the rogue doctor we have to help him.

[triplet]

Uhm... what new trailer?

Link please?

[Mike_D202]

why do you need it? the show will be in in 10 min, LOL. :D

[KalKai]

Was it CityTV itself that added that red light on Clark super-speeding? I think it looks pretty cool..

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3559/csh0xk.gif

trip here:

http://rapidshare.de/files/17373377/smallville_supernatural_april5.wmv.html

[triplet]

why do you need it? the show will be in in 10 min, LOL. :D

Yeah, the family and I are at odds tonight... I won't watch during air.

Was it CityTV itself that added that red light on Clark super-speeding? I think it looks pretty cool..

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3559/csh0xk.gif

trip here:

http://rapidshare.de/files/17373377/...pril5.wmv.html

Thanks!

:up: Looks great....

*triplet grumbles at the damn hubby and his love for Survivor*

[Mike_D202]

Why cant HE tivo survivor and YOU watch smallville??? ;)

[Kane]

Great school is finally done. Im actually going to check out this ep and give it a fair chance tonight. I hope its decent.

[Kane]

Umm wow... interesting opener... Lana the junkie? Looking forward to this.

[avidreader]

Yeah, the family and I are at odds tonight... I won't watch during air.



Thanks!

:up: Looks great....

*triplet grumbles at the damn hubby and his love for Survivor*

You only got one TV?

[Mike_D202]

hehe, the doc looks like scarecrow.

[Kaboom]

now thats fast

[GothicPowerMix1]

Holy Crap. Clark Super Speeded across the Globe :eek:

[Mike_D202]

LMAO! "Have you seen this man hiding in the bushes?"

[O'Haire]

Holy Crap. Clark Super Speeded across the Globe :eek:

That was awesome. Man I wish I could do that.:(

[GothicPowerMix1]

I wish I could do that.:(

Don't we all :o

[Kaboom]

aw those two giglling school girls remind me of trip, pat, and avid

[GothicPowerMix1]

Hot Girls were giggling at Clark :o

[GothicPowerMix1]

Now where the hell is Lana getting all this Money ? Oh wait forget I asked I can guess who she is going to go to :o

[Mike_D202]

Where everybody goes to get money: to the're billionaire friend.

[Kaboom]

billionaire friends.....with benefits?

oh no i didnt!

[Kane]

Okay first commerical break.

Wow. Lana is freaking me out....shes so dumb. Im glad Clark isnt tied down to her anymore.

The Martha/Lionel thing should be interesting. Ive noticed everytime they show a closeup of her, the screen gets really fuzzy, just a weird observation.


My biggest observation so far is how ridiculously fast Clark can run...

He went from Metropolis all the way to Honduras in a matter of seconds? Wtf. Maybe he tapped the speedforce again....:confused:

[GothicPowerMix1]

Where everybody goes to get money: to the're billionaire friend.

I bet Lana will tell Lex whats up Lex will fund them :o Then when something goes wrong & Lana gets all ****ed up Lex wants to back out the guy gets pissed & will go to try & kill Lex & all at the same time Clark is tracking these guys down & Clark will magically get to where they are or if they are at the mansion Clark will arrive at the mansion :o & to top it all off the guy & girl (if hes with them) might magically have some kind of Kryptonite thingy

right - Lana told Lex everything
wrong - Lex funds them

[GothicPowerMix1]

Wow Lana tried to break in. Yep Lana will tell him everything :o

[Kaboom]

" i had no idea it was you , i could have killed you."

i wish you would've.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Hold on. I thought the Ship was there when Clark was there :confused:

[Mike_D202]

The chick who was addicted to near-death experiences that started coughing up blood and saying "I dont wanna die" was kind of creepy and sad.

Yet Ironic.

[Kane]

2nd commerical break.

Okay its official Lana is totally butchered as a character. The writers seem to hate her and love Chloe, its VERY annoying. Her behavior was very disapointed.

She needs to be commited!

[Kane]

PS. It seems Marilyn Manson appeared on SV now too... wow

[Kaboom]

didnt this episode already air like ten years ago when it was called "flatliners" ?

[GothicPowerMix1]

Lex's mom is evil dead :o

[Kaboom]

if the glove dont fit you must acquit!

[Mike_D202]

Lana looks like a boiled piece of chicken.

[GothicPowerMix1]

If People ask why so many People are annoyed at Lana. This Episode is the best examble as to why. She stole, lied, kidnap someone probably so she can get krypto high & die :o She gets Lex krypto high & he died :o

[Kane]

LOL wtf OJ Simpson reference? Lana's behavior is appauling.

This episode gets even more messed up with Lex's mom reappearing and referencing the events of Lexmas?? :down

:confused: Is the afterlife heaven/hell supposed to exist in the SV universe? Ghosts?.....wow.


I cant believe this script was approved...lol holy.

[Mike_D202]

I dont think they're ghosts as opposed to the ppl taking the drug's spirit leaving the body and going to the other side temporarly.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Is the afterlife heaven/hell supposed to exist in the SV universe? Ghosts?.....wow.

Well this is not the first spirit / ghost Episode there was another & I am not talking about lexmas

[GothicPowerMix1]

Chloe - "Lex died"

Clark - "What"

Chloe - "Don't worry I brought him back to life"

(funny ass look on Clark's face) :up::):O:):up:

[Kaboom]

since when can lana punch thru glass and not cut her hand

[GothicPowerMix1]

So how many People did Lana put in danger this Episode :o

[Abaddon]

another dream episode.Original.
:rolleyes: x a gazillion

[GothicPowerMix1]

Did Clark forget he went back in time & that it was Lana that died first :confused:

[Abaddon]

It was too much to explain.

[Kane]

Aw Duckboy and Gothgirl are happy to be alive and together again.


Damn...this episode is great. I was laughing all the way through, especially when Lana got slapped.

So far its summing up all the reasons why Im not a hardcore SV fan....

[GothicPowerMix1]

Clark = owned :o

I hope we get to see the Conversation of Clark telling Martha of what Jonathan said. I would hate if that happened Off Screen :o

[Mike_D202]

Is it wrong that I busted out laughing when that guy fell on the motorized surgical tool??

[Abaddon]

Is Lionel really that big a threat?He knows Clarks secret and hasnt done ****.:confused:



Also,Mr.Welling seems to have slipped back into his choppy acting like in earlier seasons.

[Abaddon]

Is it wrong that I busted out laughing when that guy fell on the motorized surgical tool??


That was a ridiculous setup.:confused::down



Why must the villain in almost every episode die?

[GothicPowerMix1]

Why must the villain in almost every episode die?

Because almost every villain that dies finds out about Clarks Secret :o

[Mike_D202]

My favorite line out of this entire episode was not the speech Johnathon gave, but this:

"I told her there are only so many times you can kill yourself before you stay that way!!"

[Kaboom]

dont you think with the death of lance they blew an opportunity to introduce a detective named John Jones?

[GothicPowerMix1]

Ah another Clark & Lana at the end of the Episode moment

[Abaddon]

Because almost every villain that dies finds out about Clarks Secret :o


unless they lose their memory.

[Mike_D202]

Holy cow next week's episode looks like its gonna make up for these last two.

This episode wasnt too bad I guess, it just played out like a B thriller...the kind you rent at the .50 cent section at the video store starring Cynthia Rothrock.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Lois & Lana at Lexs Mansion next Episode :confused:

[GothicPowerMix1]

Holy cow next week's episode looks like its gonna make up for these last two. :O

I hope so

[Abaddon]

So do Lex and Lana finally do the deed?

[Kane]

Okay that was pretty bad..... I really dont know what else to say.

On the upside, I havent seen an episode of this show on television for like a year (just dled the encodes before).

Clark looks like the Hulk now, Im impressed. He looks like a beefed up Cilian Murphy on roids.

There is no way in hell they can convince me hes an 18 year old. He could play a 30 year old Superman if they gave him a chance. Its so sad.

[GothicPowerMix1]

At least Supernatural has been good

[Mike_D202]

This episode was pretty bad I guess...the only upside was that for the fans who hated how Clark ended the Clana relationship in the last episode, he kind of makes up for it at the end of this one.

[AgentPat]

Holy cow next week's episode looks like its gonna make up for these last two.:up:

Next week's ep looks amazing.

[GothicPowerMix1]

It was nice to see Clark worried about Lex when Chloe said he died

[AgentPat]

Hey KalKai, Sage, screen cap kings extraordinaire, anybody? Can *somebody* get a cap of Clark horizontal on the floor after being injected?

Wow. Just.... wow! LOL

[KalKai]

Waiting for the release, lol.

[AgentPat]

LOL! I couldn't wait. I just capped it myself. Goddddamn!!! :eek: I'll post in a moment................

[KalKai]

Smallville.S05E17.HDTV.XviD-LOL - there it is. :D

[tonytr1687]

Wow I cant believe ppl hated this episode that much. And apparently ppl here are so cold-hearted that they cant understand someone doing what Lana did to be able to talk to their dead parents...do you yall have any idea what kind of an impact that would have on a person? Of course she's gonna risk everything to see them...she's been wanting to see them again her whole life and you heartless bastards cant even understand that! True she still shouldnt have done it but it doesnt make her less of a person, the writers dont hate her b/c they understand her character and they sympathize with her just like how most of you here should do the same. But you dont. Why? You're heartless bastards and I'm sticking to that. You'll do anything to convince yourself you're right and that Lana is a dumb ***** who should die. It'll never change. At least now we have the answer as to whether that dream in Lexmas was a real future or not...and it was. I'm glad too, certainly makes things more interesting. And how heartbreaking was it when Lex saw his mother...wow. And the look in his eyes when he told Lana she was proud of him, you could just see the anguish hidden there. Of course Jonathan's cameo was great and whatnot, and that ending was a little creepy with the complete silence (no music) and then the line "I will be."

[GothicPowerMix1]

Downloading the Episode now :up:

[Mike_D202]

I didnt have any problems with the story as much as I did with how it was pulled off. A little too over-the-top I think. My sister and her boyfriend were drug addicts and I dont recall them lookin like a boiled chickens like the goth chick and Lana looked in this episode. Not to mention how the student/doctor (whatever the heck he was) went from selling Lana the kryptonite laced chemical to homicidal as soon as the police were involved (well okay I guess thats a believable scenerio, I guess I'm just sick of all the "villains" go from pety criminal to completely evil in one episode). It just seemed comical to me when it was trying to be serious. The line that got the most laughter out of me was after the goth chick died, the doc/student said "Dammit, I told her there are only so many times you can kill yourself before you stay that way!" Now I dont know if the writers meant for that to be serious (I really think they did) but I got a good laugh out of that line. Plus the acting was a little choppy...I think the directors need to take more than one take with the actors, LOL.

Things I liked though:

The Martha/Lionel.Liotha? Lartha? Eh, either way it'll be interesting to see how that turns out.

And Clark sort of "mending" things with Lana and how they broke up (him saying that he just wants her to be happy). It was realistic in my point of view and very simple.

[KalKai]

It's time, starting watching now, be back in 45 minutes.

[tonytr1687]

I didnt have any problems with the story as much as I did with how it was pulled off. A little too over-the-top I think. My sister and her boyfriend were drug addicts and I dont recall them lookin like a boiled chickens like the goth chick and Lana looked in this episode. Not to mention how the student/doctor (whatever the heck he was) went from selling Lana the kryptonite laced chemical to homicidal as soon as the police were involved (well okay I guess thats a believable scenerio, I guess I'm just sick of all the "villains" go from pety criminal to completely evil in one episode). It just seemed comical to me when it was trying to be serious. The line that got the most laughter out of me was after the goth chick died, the doc/student said "Dammit, I told her there are only so many times you can kill yourself before you stay that way!" Now I dont know if the writers meant for that to be serious (I really think they did) but I got a good laugh out of that line. Plus the acting was a little choppy...I think the directors need to take more than one take with the actors, LOL.

Things I liked though:

The Martha/Lionel.Liotha? Lartha? Eh, either way it'll be interesting to see how that turns out.

And Clark sort of "mending" things with Lana and how they broke up (him saying that he just wants her to be happy). It was realistic in my point of view and very simple.

Well it wasnt exactly an ordinary drug, it was kryptonite so it makes sense that they would look like crap afterwards. I know what you mean about the "guest characters turning evil" part, but you gotta have a bad guy in each episode. Its just the way it is. As far as that line I dont see what's so bad about it.

[AgentPat]

Smallville.S05E17.HDTV.XviD-LOL - there it is. :DHehehe... well, I went the old fashioned route - I taped it. Yeah, yeah, I know, ancient technology. But it'll have to do till the DVD comes out. LOL :p ;)

Anyhoo... I swear my eyes bugged out during this scene...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/void1a.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/void1b.jpg

In all honesty, I wonder how much he presses? Geeze. :O

[Mike_D202]

Yes hes huge now.

[green]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/void1b.jpg

In all honesty, I wonder how much he presses? Geeze. :O

:eek:
Im not looking at his arms.:O

[AgentPat]

:eek:
Im not looking at his arms.:O"Presses" - as in bench presses. That's chest. ;)

I liked the part with Lex and the glove. That was a nice tie-in WAY back to Hourglass, the effects of wearing a K ring, and all that jazz. Nice nod to the comics there.

[GothicPowerMix1]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/void1b.jpg


Clark thinking to himself - "Screw saving everyone else & the World. All I want is a 5 Minute nap. Is that to much to ask for. Maybe I should transfer my Powers to Lana like I did with Ice Man & let her take over"

[green]

"Presses" - as in bench presses. That's chest. ;)

I liked the part with Lex and the glove. That was a nice tie-in WAY back to Hourglass, the effects of wearing a K ring, and all that jazz. Nice nod to the comics there.


oh

Still not looking at his err chest.;)

[AgentPat]

oh

Still not looking at his err chest.;)LMFAO!!! Green, you kill me. :D

[Venom71]

It was an alright episode...I looked away just at the point Clark was heading to whereever it was he was looking for Fine at..did he leap, fly or run there? :confused: Screen cap anyone?

[GothicPowerMix1]

It was an alright episode...I looked away just at the point Clark was heading to whereever it was he was looking for Fine at..did he leap, fly or run there? :confused: Screen cap anyone?

He ran really fast :up: Gif on the way

[GothicPowerMix1]

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[Venom71]

He ran really fast :up: Gif on the way
Thanks:up:

[tonytr1687]

There is one thing that bugged me about this episode and has sort of been bugging me for a while. Remember when one of Clark's excuses about going to Central Kansas instead of MetU was b/c of the long distance? Well if he can go between the two in a matter of seconds that excuse seems rather ridiculous now.

[Kane]

Theyve been pretty inconsistant with his speed...but yea he shouldnt be able to go that fast; Metropolis to Honduras in 2 seconds... that sooo Flash at full power.

[Kaboom]

Theyve been pretty inconsistant with his speed...but yea he shouldnt be able to go that fast; Metropolis to Honduras in 2 seconds... that sooo Flash at full power.

no way....flash at full speed is faster than light.

[tonytr1687]

Theyve been pretty inconsistant with his speed...but yea he shouldnt be able to go that fast; Metropolis to Honduras in 2 seconds... that sooo Flash at full power.

Well its possible the episode's timeline merely fast-forwarded when he went to Honduras. It may have actually taken him 5 mins or so to get down there but we just didnt see that. Metropolis on the other hand, we had Chloe on the phone as a point of reference and therefore could tell it was only a couple of seconds.

[Kane]

no way....flash at full speed is faster than light.


I duno. I saw the JLU finale of season 2 where Wally ran faster than he ever has, to other countries around the world and back to Metropolis....there were intervals of a few seconds between his attacks on Luthor before Wally got sucked into the speedforce for going so fast.

[Michael Corleone]

didnt this episode already air like ten years ago when it was called "flatliners" ?

Yeah I was looking for Julia Roberts and Keifer Sutherland to pop out somewhere.
Very unoriginal

[Kaboom]

I duno. I saw the JLU finale of season 2 where Wally ran faster than he ever has, to other countries around the world and back to Metropolis....there were intervals of a few seconds between his attacks on Luthor before Wally got sucked into the speedforce for going so fast.

jlu is hardly what i would consider cannon. flash at full speed canout run time itself.

[AgentPat]

There is one thing that bugged me about this episode and has sort of been bugging me for a while. Remember when one of Clark's excuses about going to Central Kansas instead of MetU was b/c of the long distance? Well if he can go between the two in a matter of seconds that excuse seems rather ridiculous now."Superman in training," remember? He didn't have the FOS back when he *thought* CKU was too far away. He's learned a thing or two since then, apparently.

<- doing her best to channel Avidreader for that answer LOL

[Kaboom]

pat when i saw you those giggling girls i could have sworm it was you trip, and avid......

[Kane]

jlu is hardly what i would consider cannon. flash at full speed canout run time itself.

JLU/DCAU is the closest to canon any television series has ever gotten.... but if you want to talk about modern comicbook canon, I dont believe Superman can run that fast.

[AgentPat]

pat when i saw you those giggling girls i could have sworm it was you trip, and avid......Close, but I'm taller (6'). And I'm blonde. ;)

But I can relate. :D

[Kaboom]

JLU/DCAU is the closest to canon any television series has ever gotten.... but if you want to talk about modern comicbook canon, I dont believe Superman can run that fast.

im not going to get into a debate with you about this. i know you know more than me about comic cannon.

you may be right about clark not being able to run the fast.

but i KNOW the flash can move faster than JLU made it out to be.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I was surprised with this episode, I wasnt expecting much going in, so that may have been why. Lex and Clark's respective meetings with their dead parent were both well done. Nice tie ins to other episodes earlier in the season, and it basically ends the dream vs. vision debate from Lexmas. Got a bit geeked at the end of both of those scenes when Lex's mom was telling him "dont get washed over with the blood of all the people he'll murder" and then Jonathan's little speech about Clark "being a symbol of hope".

The superspeed to Honduras was pretty cool too. Yeah it was kind of fast, but an episode is only so long and I dont want to keep seeing cut scenes of Clark superspeeding to South America when they need to tell the story.

The Lana hooked on the serum thing seemed a little forced, considering her parents havent come up in a while.

All in all it was probably somewhere in the B- range.

[KalKai]

That Fragile trailer actually contains scenes from Mercy & Fade, it's not all Fragile.

I hope that Clark confronting Lionel is in Fragile though. Maybe not, it'll probably happen in Mercy.

[The Incredible Hulk]

another dream episode.Original.
:rolleyes: x a gazillion


uhhh, pay attention much? :confused:



So far its summing up all the reasons why Im not a hardcore SV fan....

but yet you post here like you're addicted to some kind of kryptonite serum.....

[triplet]

oh

Still not looking at his err chest.;)


You noticed that too, huh? ;) :D

[tonytr1687]

I was surprised with this episode, I wasnt expecting much going in, so that may have been why. Lex and Clark's respective meetings with their dead parent were both well done. Nice tie ins to other episodes earlier in the season, and it basically ends the dream vs. vision debate from Lexmas. Got a bit geeked at the end of both of those scenes when Lex's mom was telling him "dont get washed over with the blood of all the people he'll murder" and then Jonathan's little speech about Clark "being a symbol of hope".

The superspeed to Honduras was pretty cool too. Yeah it was kind of fast, but an episode is only so long and I dont want to keep seeing cut scenes of Clark superspeeding to South America when they need to tell the story.

The Lana hooked on the serum thing seemed a little forced, considering her parents havent come up in a while.

All in all it was probably somewhere in the B- range.

Yeah this episode made me wonder, is the future really supposed to have Lex releasing nucleur weapons and killing tons of ppl? I mean I know Lex is gonna get more evil but it still doesnt make sense that the Smallville Lex would go and do something like that...even if it is years away. Oh well, still loved that scene too.

[Mike_D202]

Yeah this episode made me wonder, is the future really supposed to have Lex releasing nucleur weapons and killing tons of ppl? I mean I know Lex is gonna get more evil but it still doesnt make sense that the Smallville Lex would go and do something like that...even if it is years away. Oh well, still loved that scene too.

That was just stock footage from terminator 3.

[rumpuso]

I guess I'm in the minority here once again. I actually thought this was a great episode. Lana's quest to reconnect with someone who loves her was bittersweet and yet, so desperately sad. Clark's priority to find Professor Fine and the missing ship showed a great maturity in him in that he is now able to look at all his has on his plate and make appropriate choices based on levels of danger and need. Martha set boundaries with Lionel and that needed to be done for Lionel's clarity and for the viewers of the show. I also LOVED seeing "take-charge" Martha at the press conference in the Talon. Very apt characterization for her which pulled from her prior working experience before she met Jonathan and also from her time working as Lionel's assistant. Clark's victimization from the k-shot and subsequent Jonathan vision was really well played out. It was so good to see Jonathan embrace Clark physically, and emotionally one more time. Of all the visions from this k-shot experience (i.e. Lana not quite reaching her parents and Lex's mother giving him a comeuppance), Clark is still the one who has the deepest connection in both life and in spirituality with his parents. That just reinforces once again the reason why Clark becomes the magnificent superhero that his father professes he will be...the symbol of peace, the symbol of justice.

I thought this episode had quite a lot going for it, and it effectively set up the final set of episodes coming along.

Very good episode. I got a lot out of it.

[triplet]

I guess I'm in the minority here once again. I actually thought this was a great episode. Lana's quest to reconnect with someone who loves her was bittersweet and yet, so desperately sad. Clark's priority to find Professor Fine and the missing ship showed a great maturity in him in that he is now able to look at all his has on his plate and make appropriate choices based on levels of danger and need. Martha set boundaries with Lionel and that needed to be done for Lionel's clarity and for the viewers of the show. I also LOVED seeing "take-charge" Martha at the press conference in the Talon. Very apt characterization for her which pulled from her prior working experience before she met Jonathan and also from her time working as Lionel's assistant. Clark's victimization from the k-shot and subsequent Jonathan vision was really well played out. It was so good to see Jonathan embrace Clark physically, and emotionally one more time. Of all the visions from this k-shot experience (i.e. Lana not quite reaching her parents and Lex's mother giving him a comeuppance), Clark is still the one who has the deepest connection in both life and in spirituality with his parents. That just reinforces once again the reason why Clark becomes the magnificent superhero that his father professes he will be...the symbol of peace, the symbol of justice.

I thought this episode had quite a lot going for it, and it effectively set up the final set of episodes coming along.



Very good episode. I got a lot out of it.

Excellent post, rumpuso! :up:

I also liked it a lot more than I thought I would...

I'm going to have to watch it again to be sure exactly what I think about it, but I liked Lana's affirmation at the end to stop being needy and so dependent on others. It could be a major turning point for her character...

I also liked that Clark was more pro-active in this episode than the last one...

[KikiDee]

I actually thought this episode had some pretty good moments. I realize that when it isn't focused on Clark and him doing superman like things it's not quite as interesting to some of you. You gotta agree though it did what it was supposed to. It started setting us up for the finale.

So, Lana is depressed and feeling a little lost and she meets up with these med students doing a flatlining experiment. In her state of mind she probably didn't feel like she had much to lose and the thought of maybe having a chance of seeing her parents again was tempting. Okay, I buy this. I've seen girls do much worse over a broken heart. Clark acting a little wierd and maybe a little distant? I buy that too. Like he told his dad "it ain't been easy since you've been gone" something like that anyway. He's got a lot going on in that melon of his. (plus his alias "Tom" was probably a bit preoccupied with some crazy directing debut thing)

Lex totally manipulating (or at least thinking he was) a sick Lana also totally believable. You could almost see the glimmer of the brass ring in his eye. His out of body experience, I thought, was cool... I like it when they have storylines that come full circle. Does Lex in the comics actually kill people? Sorry,showing my ignorance I know, but I was just wondering.

It didn't flow quite as well as I would of liked, but overall it definitely wasn't my least favorite. I get a kick out him doing things like leaping over tall buildings and making cheesy little SM references, but I also like it when they advance the storylines by planting these little seeds. It's just so cool when you finally get to see what they blossom into. Hopefully, one of them will be something blue and red with a splash of yellow.:)

[tonytr1687]

I guess I'm in the minority here once again. I actually thought this was a great episode. Lana's quest to reconnect with someone who loves her was bittersweet and yet, so desperately sad. Clark's priority to find Professor Fine and the missing ship showed a great maturity in him in that he is now able to look at all his has on his plate and make appropriate choices based on levels of danger and need. Martha set boundaries with Lionel and that needed to be done for Lionel's clarity and for the viewers of the show. I also LOVED seeing "take-charge" Martha at the press conference in the Talon. Very apt characterization for her which pulled from her prior working experience before she met Jonathan and also from her time working as Lionel's assistant. Clark's victimization from the k-shot and subsequent Jonathan vision was really well played out. It was so good to see Jonathan embrace Clark physically, and emotionally one more time. Of all the visions from this k-shot experience (i.e. Lana not quite reaching her parents and Lex's mother giving him a comeuppance), Clark is still the one who has the deepest connection in both life and in spirituality with his parents. That just reinforces once again the reason why Clark becomes the magnificent superhero that his father professes he will be...the symbol of peace, the symbol of justice.

I thought this episode had quite a lot going for it, and it effectively set up the final set of episodes coming along.

Very good episode. I got a lot out of it.

If you think about it, each of the character's after-life experiences directly reflected their own place in their lives at the moment. Lana wasn't able to reach her parents like others, symbolizing how alone she feels. Lex was scorned by his mother and guilt-ridden by what he has become, but yet unable to overcome it. And Clark felt he needed his father to accomplish what he must do, but Jonathan told him otherwise and that he had a destiny to fulfill.

[KalKai]

Did anyone find it strange that there was no music in the last Clana scene? It was all hush hush, it was the end.. yeah.

[Kane]

but yet you post here like you're addicted to some kind of kryptonite serum.....

Only recently again. For a while I stopped altogether but since I was going to watch tonights episode and give it a fair chance..

I was hoping it would be good though.....unfortunately I cant say it was.

The whole premise of flatlining, Lana's kryptonite drug addiction, the afterlife, ghosts....was just blah.

I enjoyed it more in a comedic sense. It entertained me in a Plan Nine from Outer Space sorta way.

[tonytr1687]

Back on topic......I actually thought this episode had some pretty good moments. I realize that when it isn't focused on Clark and him doing superman like things it's not quite as interesting to some of you. You gotta agree though it did what it was supposed to. It started setting us up for the finale.

So, Lana is depressed and feeling a little lost and she meets up with these med students doing a flatlining experiment. In her state of mind she probably didn't feel like she had much to lose and the thought of maybe having a chance of seeing her parents again was tempting. Okay, I buy this. I've seen girls do much worse over a broken heart. Clark acting a little wierd and maybe a little distant? I buy that too. Like he told his dad "it ain't been easy since you've been gone" something like that anyway. He's got a lot going on in that melon of his. (plus his alias "Tom" was probably a bit preoccupied with some crazy directing debut thing)

Lex totally manipulating (or at least thinking he was) a sick Lana also totally believable. You could almost see the glimmer of the brass ring in his eye. His out of body experience, I thought, was cool... I like it when they have storylines that come full circle. Does Lex in the comics actually kill people? Sorry,showing my ignorance I know, but I was just wondering.

It didn't flow quite as well as I would of liked, but overall it definitely wasn't my least favorite. I get a kick out him doing things like leaping over tall buildings and making cheesy little SM references, but I also like it when they advance the storylines by planting these little seeds. It just so cool when you finally get to see what they blossom into. Hopefully, one of them will be something blue and red with a splash of yellow.:)

I dont think Lex was actually manipulating Lana in that scene. He was just trying to make her feel better while at the same time trying to get closer to her. If that was manipulation then I guess all us guys are manipulators too! Now the stuff in Hypnotic...that was manipulation.

[KikiDee]

Did anyone find it strange that there was no music in the last Clana scene? It was all hush hush, it was the end.. yeah.

It was a bit like the death toll wasn't it.

[tonytr1687]

Did anyone find it strange that there was no music in the last Clana scene? It was all hush hush, it was the end.. yeah.

Yeah that was strange. But I liked it...sorta set it apart from the final Clana scenes in other episodes. It was actually kinda creepy.

[rumpuso]

If you think about it, each of the character's after-life experiences directly reflected their own place in their lives at the moment. Lana wasn't able to reach her parents like others, symbolizing how alone she feels. Lex was scorned by his mother and guilt-ridden by what he has become, but yet unable to overcome it. And Clark felt he needed his father to accomplish what he must do, but Jonathan told him otherwise and that he had a destiny to fulfill.
You're right. I thought it was especially chilling for Lex at the end to outright lie to Lana about what his mother told him in his vision. He perpetuated the onset of his downfall so shortly after his mother once again reached out and tried to steer him clear. It was a sad, yet thrilling moment to see another step towards his ultimate destiny.

And Clark...even after professing to need his father, and his father telling him to go back and help his mother and the world, still needed to be physically pushed towards the light by Jonathan. So even still, as we see Clark takes steps towards maturity, when around his father, he is still reduced to boyhood neediness. Bless him.

[KikiDee]

I dont think Lex was actually manipulating Lana in that scene. He was just trying to make her feel better while at the same time trying to get closer to her. If that was manipulation then I guess all us guys are manipulators too!

Hmmmm....you said it, not I!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

If you think about it, each of the character's after-life experiences directly reflected their own place in their lives at the moment. Lana wasn't able to reach her parents like others, symbolizing how alone she feels. Lex was scorned by his mother and guilt-ridden by what he has become, but yet unable to overcome it. And Clark felt he needed his father to accomplish what he must do, but Jonathan told him otherwise and that he had a destiny to fulfill.

I really like the way you captured that. :up:

[tonytr1687]

You're right. I thought it was especially chilling for Lex at the end to outright lie to Lana about what his mother told him in his vision. He perpetuated the onset of his downfall so shortly after his mother once again reached out and tried to steer him clear. It was a sad, yet thrilling moment to see another step towards his ultimate destiny.

And Clark...even after professing to need his father, and his father telling him to go back and help his mother and the world, still needed to be physically pushed towards the light by Jonathan. So even still, as we see Clark takes steps towards maturity, when around his father, he is still reduced to boyhood neediness. Bless him.

Well the look Lex had in his eyes when he said it made me think he was ashamed of what happened and thats why he lied. That and who's gonna tell a friend or potential love interest that they're mother scorned them? Or maybe Lex is just so confident of his view of the world now that he believes his mother is wrong just like he believes Clark is wrong.

[LostSon88]

I'm in the middle of the epi right now and i'm sooooo hopin' Lana will bust out with, "I'm tryin' to get some crack rocks..." ala Tyrone Biggins

LOL.

[Kane]

I think Lana needs SERIOUS therapy. She was really unstable here.


They should do an episode where a therapist comes to SV and tries to help each of the characters.

Any superhero/psychologists in the DC universe?

[LostSon88]

Smallville killed one of them in Season 3...what was that chick's name?

[Kane]

No I mean like DC Superheroes from the comics, who are psychologists on the side? Im sure theres at least one.

[LostSon88]

Batman's Dr. Hugo Strange? :confused:

[KikiDee]

I guess I'm in the minority here once again. I actually thought this was a great episode. Lana's quest to reconnect with someone who loves her was bittersweet and yet, so desperately sad. Clark's priority to find Professor Fine and the missing ship showed a great maturity in him in that he is now able to look at all his has on his plate and make appropriate choices based on levels of danger and need. Martha set boundaries with Lionel and that needed to be done for Lionel's clarity and for the viewers of the show. I also LOVED seeing "take-charge" Martha at the press conference in the Talon. Very apt characterization for her which pulled from her prior working experience before she met Jonathan and also from her time working as Lionel's assistant. Clark's victimization from the k-shot and subsequent Jonathan vision was really well played out. It was so good to see Jonathan embrace Clark physically, and emotionally one more time. Of all the visions from this k-shot experience (i.e. Lana not quite reaching her parents and Lex's mother giving him a comeuppance), Clark is still the one who has the deepest connection in both life and in spirituality with his parents. That just reinforces once again the reason why Clark becomes the magnificent superhero that his father professes he will be...the symbol of peace, the symbol of justice.

I thought this episode had quite a lot going for it, and it effectively set up the final set of episodes coming along.

Very good episode. I got a lot out of it.

I love reading everyone's take on these episodes because I miss so much.
I agree wholeheartedly with everything especially the highlighted part!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Kane]

Batman's Dr. Hugo Strange? :confused:

Hmm. Leslie Thompkins (sp?) is Bruce/Batman's therapist but I wouldnt but any money on any Batman related characters appearing.

[KikiDee]

aaaa...hmmm never mind.

[LostSon88]

Okay so I just watched how the bad guy died...that was stupid. :down

[DarKush]

Batman's Dr. Hugo Strange? :confused:

Bringing Hugo Strange on Smallville would be cool. There was also a character from the Knightsfall stories-Shondra Kinsolving that could be used...perhaps without creating too many waves.

[The Caped Knight]

This episode sucked BIG TIME, hate these Lana centered episodes. this episode could have been a great episode. Instead it was a crap & rushed episode.

I will say that their were a few good things in this episode

(1) Clark & Jonathan talk {A forshadowing of Clark's Future & DESTINY as SUPERMAN

(2) Clark's search for Brainiac

(3) Lex & his Mother talk

(4) Clark , Martha , & Lionel scene

Other than that this episode really sucked for me .

[KalKai]

Of course Kal-El 8, we know. LOLZ. :D

[Kane]

Okay so I just watched how the bad guy died...that was stupid. :down

I was laughing at that whole scene right from where he b^tchslapped Lana.

I have to admit, it was great comedy, I was entertained.

[tonytr1687]

This episode sucked BIG TIME, hate these Lana centered episodes. this episode could have been a great episode. Instead it was a crap & rushed episode.

I will say that their were a few good things in this episode

(1) Clark & Jonathan talk {A forshadowing of Clark's Future & DESTINY as SUPERMAN

(2) Clark's search for Brainiac

(3) Lex & his Mother talk

(4) Clark , Martha , & Lionel scene

Other than that this episode really sucked for me .

Can you say biased?

[KalKai]

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