5.17 - Void (Spoilers) Discussion Thread

[avidreader]

New episode Title from K-site

Void - Only spoilers to hand

- Roles being cast for this episode include a character named Dean, some reporters, a Hondouran boy, Allie, and most curiously, "Mr. & Mrs. Lang."

With the emergence of Zod looming upon us, I wonder if it has anything to do with the Phantom Zone.

[Superfan]

"the eternal void which you yourself discovered"- Kryptonian Elder from Superman: The Movie

So yes, a good bet that it will center around Brainaic trying to release Zod from the eternal void...

[KalKai]

Probably, considering that Brainiac is coming back in the 16th eppy Hypnotic.

[The Incredible Hulk]

or it could also be about the void left in Clark's life from the person who croaked in ep 100

[Spaceballs]

Cant wait to see what they call the Episode with the return of Zod :up:

[Superfan]

"Kneel"

;)

[Brainiac 8]

Cant wait to see what they call the Episode with the return of Zod :up:

"Omnipotent":eek: :p

[DarthSkywalker]

I actually can see this tying back to Lexriac.

[KalKai]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallville_%28Season_5%29#Void

Void


Original Air Date: April 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_13), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006) ZOD IS RELEASED - Clark (Tom Welling) fails to stop Brainiac (James Marsters) in time and witnesses the return of Zod. Clark ends up trapped within the Phantom Zone and is helpless as Zod cause havoc and choas in Smallville. Who comes to Clark's rescue? Meanwhile, Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) and Lana's (Kristin Kruek) relationship grows closer as they find out more about the spaceship. Erica Durance, Allison Mack, John Glover and Annette O'Toole also star.(#2T6417).

Guest Star: James Marsters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Marsters)
Featured Music:oh yes baby :D.

[AgentPat]

...Clark ends up trapped within the Phantom Zone...Bah! And bingo. LOL I guess the Phantom Zone will be located somewhere behind one of these during this episode...

http://www.swylie.com/blog_img/20050720SMPTEXL2.jpg

:D

[Kane]

Clark trapped in the Phantom Zone? Cool.

I wonder what kind of criminals he'll encounter in there; Ursa? Non? Namek? Athyr? The writers?

I wonder when casting why casting sheets for Zodd havent gone out yet.

[triplet]

Clark trapped in the Phantom Zone? Cool.

I wonder what kind of criminals he'll encounter in there; Ursa? Non? Namek? Athyr? The writers?

I wonder when casting why casting sheets for Zodd havent gone out yet.

They may not have sent out the casting to agents in blastogram like they do with smaller bit players...

I'm not sure that it's at all uncommon for a bigger recurring charactrer. I don't think we ever heard about the casting notices for Brainiac, for example.

[Kane]

Do you think it could/should be Dean Cain?

[triplet]

I think that would be an interesting choice, but I would hope they pick someone that is a better actor. You need someone who can hold his own with someone as smart and talented as marsters in the cast.

Cain is handsome and sexy but his acting chops leave a little to be desired.

Adrian Paul would be awesome: he's handsome, sexy and he can act.

He also has a special physicality about him, a kind of menace, that Cain doesn't have. I think someone like Paul would be a better choice.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Clark trapped in the Phantom Zone? Cool.

I wonder what kind of criminals he'll encounter in there; Ursa? Non? Namek? Athyr? The writers?


LOL you made a funny :up:

[AgentPat]

I wonder when casting why casting sheets for Zod havent gone out yet.They *may* have already cast him. Just a thought.

:cool:

[Kane]

I think that would be an interesting choice, but I would hope they pick someone that is a better actor. You need someone who can hold his own with someone as smart and talented as marsters in the cast.

Cain is handsome and sexy but his acting chops leave a little to be desired.

Adrian Paul would be awesome: he's handsome, sexy and he can act.

He also has a special physicality about him, a kind of menace, that Cain doesn't have. I think someone like Paul would be a better choice.

:confused: Who says Zod has to be 'handsome and sexy'? Thats just weird.

I just want someone who looks big, imposing and threatening. Though its more likely theyll go for a little guy like the Donner version -_- considering the Zod head that started to appear in that episode looked like Donner's Zod.

I just hope he doesnt spend too much time in the outside world. Zod conquered Earth in Superman 2 pretty fast and easily... but I really dont want Earth's first glimpse of Kryptonians to be evil dangerous conquerors. Superman needs to appear first.

[triplet]

:confused: Who says Zod has to be 'handsome and sexy'? Thats just weird.

It's not weird, it's human.

You would want any female guest star to be pretty and sexy, why is it so wrong for me to feel the same way about any male guest stars?

Misogynistic much, there Crisis?

[KalKai]

The description just got removed from wikipedia.

[triplet]

Really? I wonder why....

[Kane]

It's not weird, it's human.

You would want any female guest star to be pretty and sexy, why is it so wrong for me to feel the same way about any male guest stars?

Misogynistic much, there Crisis?

I would want any female guest star to be pretty and sexy? :confused: Where are you getting that from?

Okay seriously Ive posted on this board for a while now and when did I ever drool like an idiot over the female castmembers? Never..

I prefer acting talent over looks any day.

Im not really misogynistic...I respect certain women.

[LostSon88]

How OLD do you think Zod should be? I think it'd be interesting if he was NOT only significantly older than Clark (maybe Jonathan's age) but also masters his powers rather quickly...perhaps even better than Clark.

I sure hope SV portrayal of Zod is similar to the movie, Terrance Stamp's portrayal was classic.

You think he'll say his classic line? (perhaps to Brainiac or Lex?)

[GothicPowerMix1]

also masters his powers rather quickly...perhaps even better than Clark.

Shouldnt be a problem since Clark has not fully accepted who he is & where hes from etc. Zod is gonna be giving Clark a smack down & I hope that while Zod gives Clark a smack down & Clark sees all the things that he will be able to eventually do during the fights with the evil guys Clark will WANT to accept his destiny even more because Clark will hopefully realize seeing all the things that the other Kryptonians do Clark will eventually be able to learn that himself & use those Powers to help others in the future. I am glad they introduced these Kryptonians. They will certainly open a much larger world for Clark & Clark will see first hand the type of Powers he can / will eventually learn & use them to help others & this will have a hand in Clark coming up with a Secret Identity.

[jas01724]

Really? I wonder why....Bear in mind that Wikipedia had a description for 'Reckoning' that was entirely made up, and later removed ...

'Vengeance' was filmed in the middle of December. That would give them around 30 days (taking into account weekends and the break over the holidays) to have filmed three subsequent episodes to get to this one. Just about doable. At a guesstimate, 'Void' may be the one they're filming right now ... or are just about to.

[KalKai]

I think they're filming episode 19 already (Welling directing), avid found this few days ago:

http://spaces.msn.com/morrisinvancouver/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c

"At least the Smallville scripts have been getting a bit more interesting.Tom directs the next one...should be fun." - 29th January.

[jas01724]

Depends which one he's directing, they've never confirmed the exact number. If 'Void' *is* about Clark getting trapped in the Phantom Zone (given the name, it makes sense), then it's probably going to be the "excuse" for Tom not being on screen much.

Or maybe they're being shot out of air order ... they did that a few times earlier in the season to fit James Marsters' schedule.

They shot 'Lockdown' at the beginning of November, 'Reckoning' from the middle to end of November (and started filming after they'd had their little party), 'Vengeance' went from around the beginning to middle of December, and they managed to fit 'Tomb' in before the holidays.

They usually manage between two and three episodes per month, depending on how "big" the episode is. So at most they could have done two or three more complete episodes in January; taking into account that they lost just under a week because of the holiday break, my money would be on two having been completed by the time "Mo" wrote in his blog on January 29th. Assuming they're filming in order, that would mean they began filming 'Void' just last week.

So they filmed 'Cyborg' when they came back from their break. To have filmed 'Void' already, and to be on 19 right now, they would have had to film 15,17,19. Even when they've filmed out of order in the past, it's never been quite that messed up. :eek:

[jas01724]

I've had a little chat with Craig (http://www.kryptonsite.com), and it looks like events may go sort of (but possibly not exactly) like this:

Cyborg and Hypnotic filmed in January. Void currently filming, and had just begun filming when Mo wrote that "Tom directs the next one."

That next one would be Fragile.:D

[triplet]

Cool... thanks James.

:D

[mellyM]

I've had a little chat with Craig (http://www.kryptonsite.com), and it looks like events may go sort of (but possibly not exactly) like this:

Cyborg and Hypnotic filmed in January. Void currently filming, and had just begun filming when Mo wrote that "Tom directs the next one."

That next one would be Fragile.:D
do they ever film out of sequence?

[avidreader]

So are those spoilers true or not? Sounds pretty cool if they are.

[Serene]

So are those spoilers true or not? Sounds pretty cool if they are.

Do you mean the spoilers for Void or Fragile?

The Fragile spoilers.. I dunno.. just don't do much for me. Another freaky kid story? But I am really curious to see how Tom handles the direction for it. I would imagine it would be a very nerve-wracking thing to do, especially the first time.

[avidreader]

Do you mean the spoilers for Void or Fragile?

The Fragile spoilers.. I dunno.. just don't do much for me. Another freaky kid story? But I am really curious to see how Tom handles the direction for it. I would imagine it would be a very nerve-wracking thing to do, especially the first time.

Void. The ones from Wickapeadia.

[Red]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallville_%28Season_5%29#Void

Void

Original Air Date: April 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_13), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006)ZOD IS RELEASED - Clark (Tom Welling) fails to stop Brainiac (James Marsters) in time and witnesses the return of Zod. Clark ends up trapped within the Phantom Zone and is helpless as Zod cause havoc and choas in Smallville. Who comes to Clark's rescue? Meanwhile, Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) and Lana's (Kristin Kruek) relationship grows closer as they find out more about the spaceship. Erica Durance, Allison Mack, John Glover and Annette O'Toole also star.(#2T6417).

Guest Star: James Marsters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Marsters)
Featured Music:oh yes baby :D.


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[Red]

Who comes to Clark's rescue


Jor-El, doesn't he always.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Jor-El, doesn't he always.

Problem is wouldnt Jor El need to be in HUMAN FORM to get Clark out of the Phantom Zone ?

[Red]

Problem is wouldnt Jor El need to be in HUMAN FORM to get Clark out of the Phantom Zone ?

This could mean another appearance from Lion-El

[GothicPowerMix1]

Can't wait to see Clark get trapped in the Phantom Zone & then Zod, Braniac & the other 2 Kryptonians attack Smallville & then I hope Metropolis. Lets hope Smallville can show the L&C creators a thing or 2 :up:

I wonder if they will bring back Andrea or someone like that to give Clark a hand ? ? ?

Clark definitely would not be able to handle 4 more powerful Kryptonians on his own

[KalKai]

That description could be false (and probably is) don't get your hopes up, having Zod appear in episode 17 is a little early, Zod is for the finale, but you never know.

[GothicPowerMix1]

That description could be false (and probably is) don't get your hopes up, having Zod appear in episode 17 is a little early, Zod is for the finale, but you never know.

I hope its true. Would be quite interesting to see the Town struggle with the Kryptonians & no Clark there to stop them for a few Episodes & then the last thing we see in the Finale is Jor El freeing Clark & Clark Super Fly to town once Jor El tells Clark whats been up & obviously with Clark not there Zod would probably want to round up the people closest to Kal El or something like that

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I can certainly imagine just seeing a glimpse of him in the end of the episode kind of like he being released from the Phantom Zone and Clark being on the ground for some reason and when he tries to pick himself up, the first thing he sees are 2 black boots and then could just show Clark's face raising up looking at him and then fade to black...
Having said that, this is probably bogus info. But being trapped on the phantom zone for an episode would give Welling enough time to prepare his acting debut I think...

[triplet]

^^--- don't you mean his directing debut there, Bruce? ;) :D

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Yeah, thanks for correcting me. I have to stop posting at 3 a.m....lol

[Red]

That description could be false (and probably is) don't get your hopes up, having Zod appear in episode 17 is a little early, Zod is for the finale, but you never know.

Yeah , agreed its a bit early for Zod, he needs more of a set up.

[Red]

I noticed over at K-site, in spoilers fro Void

Guest Stars: John Schneider (Jonathan Kent)

[Kane]

Ya he gets ressurected as Dead Man.

[avidreader]

I noticed over at K-site, in spoilers fro Void

Guest Stars: John Schneider (Jonathan Kent)

Read the news page at Ksite, then you'll know why.:)

[avidreader]

Just read this post over at Ksite. I was wondering how the Hondurian boy was fitting in to all of this.


Has anyone else seen the latest issue of TV Guide? It has a large photo of "Lex" in Honduras and the caption reads, "Lex looks for Brainac in Honduras." Wow, so I guess that means this will take place in "Hypnotic." Now that is exciting news!

I think he means Void.

Hondura was where Lionel found the Water (Transference stone). Sounds like a really good episode, what with Jonathan appearing to Clark and Mr. and Mrs. Lang.

They're managing to keep this one under tight wraps.

[Serene]

Just read this post over at Ksite. I was wondering how the Hondurian boy was fitting in to all of this.



I think he means Void.

Hondura was where Lionel found the Water (Transference stone). Sounds like a really good episode, what with Jonathan appearing to Clark and Mr. and Mrs. Lang.

They're managing to keep this one under tight wraps.

I can not WAIT for more new SV eps. I'm starting to have serious withdrawal symptoms. :(

*twitch*

[GothicPowerMix1]

I wonder how many Episodes will Clark be trapped in The Phantom Zone for. Heck we already had a Few Episodes of Powerless Clark. It would be quite interesting where we have an Episode or Two where we dont see Clark PERIOD & Zod & the Others are free to do as they please :up:

Itd be awesome if when Clark comes back Smallville is basically almost totally destroyed except Luthors Mansion where the Kryptonians stay or something. First they take Smallville (just for the fact that Kal El has been living there) & then as Clark returns they head to Metropolis

[Lara]

I thought the way wikapedia works is that anyone can add anything. The spoilers sound great but I doubt them. I hope someone scans that TV guide picture if not there's always flipping through in line.

[NHawk19]

Ok so this one should be pretty good . . .Any idea who is Zod yet?

[GothicPowerMix1]

Ok so this one should be pretty good . . .Any idea who is Zod yet?

I kind of want them to keep that Secret until we see it

Wed be like HOLY **** that ***** is ZOD

[AgentPat]

Ok so this one should be pretty good . . .Any idea who is Zod yet?http://www.patcostello.com/temp/adrianpaul2.jpg

Hey, a fan can dream, right? :D

[Fingers and toes crossed]

[Lara]

OK Agent Pat who is that?

[Red]

Lex: Professor Milton Fine, so this is where you disappeared to. Were those college students really that bad that they drove you away?

Fine: I’m kind of busy working on my tan Mr. Luthor, maybe later.

[AgentPat]

OK Agent Pat who is that?Adrian Paul, the actor who played "Duncan MacLeod" in the TV series, HIGHLANDER.

[mellyM]

Adrian Paul, the actor who played "Duncan MacLeod" in the TV series, HIGHLANDER.

What was Highlander exactly?

[AgentPat]

What was Highlander exactly?http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/blink.gif

Oh boy. Um.... "There can be only one?" The immortals that chop off each other's heads so that the last person standing gets the "prize?"

The franchise started off with a few films staring Christopher Lambert and Sean Connery. It then spawned at least two TV series. It was a good show, IMHO.

Who's got the One Sheet for Highlander? Can anybody describe the franchise in ten words or less? LOL

[jas01724]

Can anybody describe the franchise in ten words or less? LOLLop 'em off so the Highlander can get shirtless? :confused:

[AgentPat]

Lop 'em off so the Highlander can get shirtless? :confused:Yeah, that works. ;)

[Lara]

I never saw anything but he first movie. That at least is definitely worth checking out Melly M. I heard the sequels sucked and I didn't want to have them ruin the first for me. I for one hope they just use Marsters as Zod I just want to keep him.

[mellyM]

Strange I kind of remember the first movie, but I never knew there were any tv series based on it..but before SV I hardly watched tv much. I'm sure I've missed a lot. Well whoever they get to play Zod, I hope is pretty dynamic

[NHawk19]

Thanks Pat I wasnt sure if it was confirmed yet or still a rumor. Will be awesome if it's true. I loved Highlander.

I never saw anything but he first movie. That at least is definitely worth checking out Melly M. I heard the sequels sucked and I didn't want to have them ruin the first for me. I for one hope they just use Marsters as Zod I just want to keep him.

The funny thing about that is the original and first 2 sequels are now, I think, out of what would be considered mainstream continuity thanks to the TV show and spinoffs.

[musclesforsupes]

giggles I know who Zod is :)

[triplet]

Strange I kind of remember the first movie, but I never knew there were any tv series based on it..but before SV I hardly watched tv much. I'm sure I've missed a lot. Well whoever they get to play Zod, I hope is pretty dynamic

The first film was great but I never saw any of the others.

My hubby knew someone who worked on the second film and the guy had said he wished they'd been able to make the original script. That film got so bad for him that he was tempted to take his name out of the credits... That's pretty bad.

The TV show with Adrian Paul was pretty good... I wasn't as into it as my one triplet sister was, but I watched it from time to time.

[GothicPowerMix1]

giggles I know who Zod is :)

Then tell us if you turn out right then we will cut you some slack but if you cant bother saying anything then stfu

[musclesforsupes]

well his name is Steve Kaplach.

[triplet]

You spell that right, there muscles?

Googling that name or checking it on IMDB gets you bupkus.

[AgentPat]

Thanks Pat I wasn't sure if it was confirmed yet or still a rumor. Will be awesome if it's true.Oh, it's very much still a rumor. That is to say, he was contacted. Whether or not there is - or ever was - an offer on the table is another thing entirely. (Sound familiar? LOL) I just think he'd be a great Zod, and like Marsters, there would be a good deal of fan spill-over from his show. That's always a plus.

We'll know soon enough.

[jas01724]

Yup, fan spill over. I think they should bring on Matt LeBlanc as a meteor freak, and let Clark splat him. :up:

[GothicPowerMix1]

Yup, fan spill over. I think they should bring on Matt LeBlanc as a meteor freak, and let Clark splat him. :up:

lol all hed have to do is say "How you doing" to Lana & Lois to get Clark pissed"

[AgentPat]

Yup, fan spill over. I think they should bring on Matt LeBlanc as a meteor freak, and let Clark splat him. :up:Shhh! Bite your tongue, James. Some of their stunt casting scares me.

Have ya heard the latest? Lou Diamond Phillips is gonna be "Tom Curry" on the new Aquaman series.

...No, really, I'm serious LOL. :rolleyes:

[musclesforsupes]

You spell that right, there muscles?

Googling that name or checking it on IMDB gets you bupkus.


He is not that famous, he has starred in bit commercials from what my source has told me. He is virtually an unknown.

[musclesforsupes]

Oh and thats the spelling of his last name too, I just double checked.

[NHawk19]

Well muscles I guess we get to see if your source is right soon enough. the ep is only 3 weeks off.

Adrian Paul would be sweet though.

[Serene]

The funny thing about that is the original and first 2 sequels are now, I think, out of what would be considered mainstream continuity thanks to the TV show and spinoffs.

Close. For the generally accepted continuity amongst those that are still fans of HL, in order it's - the first movie, the TV series, the fourth movie, and the new movie coming out. Some of us like to pretend that 2 and 3 never happened. :)

I guess the ill-fated "Raven" spin-off is accepted as canon by most series fans.

Of course, there are always other views. I know there are fans of *just* the movies who never even watched the show.

AFAIK, Adrian was "informed" that some SV fans were hoping for him to play Zod. I have no idea if it ever went any further than that. Fortunately, the person who told him happens to be big fan of both shows. :)

[AgentPat]

...the ep is only 3 weeks off....The ep with Zod won't air till May - it's the finale.

And, as far as Muscles' casting info... :rolleyes:

Not that it's completely out of whack that:
They'd already have somebody cast...
Who's an unknown...
Before they have a finalized shooting script...
To play ZOD!...

C'mon folks. It's Muscles. :p

[KalKai]

TV Guide Description for Void


Lana gets hooked on a dangerous serum made of green kryptonite; Clark searches for Prof. Fine in Honduras, and discovers Lionel knows his secret. Fine: James Marsters.

[Serene]

TV Guide Description for Void


Lana gets hooked on a dangerous serum made of green kryptonite; Clark searches for Prof. Fine in Honduras, and discovers Lionel knows his secret. Fine: James Marsters.

Grreeeeaat. Now Lana gets to be a junkie? *le sigh*

I am excited to see Clark running through the "Honduran" jungles though. :D

Lionel knowing is such an interesting turn to take. I'm sure he uses this to get closer to Martha, but I'm not sure that she's his only goal. Remember how badly Lionel wanted the stones for the power they reportedly held.. now he has Clark, with unlimited power potential. I can't see Clark and Martha suddenly trusting Lionel, but perhaps they will have no choice.

Exciting stuff! I can't wait for this show to start up again.

[The Caped Knight]

TV Guide Description for Void

Lana gets hooked on a dangerous serum made of green kryptonite; Clark searches for Prof. Fine in Honduras, and discovers Lionel knows his secret. Fine: James Marsters.

I don't even want to know how lana get's hooked on Kryptonite.

I can't wait to see Clark going after Brainiac.

Lionel is going to become a dangerous threat to Clark, now that he knows his secret.

I can't wait.

[triplet]

TV Guide Description for Void




Lana gets hooked on a dangerous serum made of green kryptonite; Clark searches for Prof. Fine in Honduras, and discovers Lionel knows his secret. Fine: James Marsters.

Weren't there spoilers that had Clark in the Phantom Zone in Void?


I guess not, unless it's moved to Honduras... :D

[KalKai]

It was a fake description on wikipedia.

[triplet]

Ah.... :D

Gotcha.

[avidreader]

Wow! These upcoming episodes are sounding really interesting.

I like seeing a pro-active Clark and it will be interesting to see what this serum does to Lana.

I have read that this story is about what Smallville would be like if Clark hadnt arrived on earth. Maybe its from Lana's perspective.

[GothicPowerMix1]

it will be interesting to see what this serum does to Lana

A) She becomes Superpowered or just plain crazy

B) She sees / learns Clarks Secret

C) She screws over Lex & pisses him off

D) She pisses off Chloe

E) She learns about Clark

F) When Lana comes back to normal Lana she remembers NADDA

There you go thats the Episode for you in terms of Lanas Story. Personally I am not interested in at all to see what a Kryptonite Serum would do to Lana because its obvious & its obvious how it will end.

[triplet]

I have read that this story is about what Smallville would be like if Clark hadnt arrived on earth. Maybe its from Lana's perspective.

Interesting.... like a Clark "It's a Wonderful Life"

:D

However, if she discovers through this "dream" or whatever it is, that her parents would be alive if it weren't for Clark then how will that affect her feelings for him?

[avidreader]

Interesting.... like a Clark "It's a Wonderful Life"

:D

However, if she discovers through this "dream" or whatever it is, that her parents would be alive if it weren't for Clark then how will that affect her feelings for him?

That's a very interesting question.

She would need to come to terms with the fact that it wasnt his fault, just like he has to come to that conclusion.

Remember she already suspects that someone came down in a spaceship during the first meteor shower.

She eventually is going to have to find out too that the second meteor shower hapened because she stabbed Genevieve with the Airstone.

[GothicPowerMix1]

If Clark never showed up well Lana would have died in the Tornadoes

[DarthSkywalker]

Wait is the the episode were they had casting calls for Lana's parents? Oh crap she is going to be tripping.

[AgentPat]

I have read that this story is about what Smallville would be like if Clark hadn't arrived on earth. Maybe its from Lana's perspective.Where'd ya read that, just out of curiosity? If Clark hadn't arrived on Earth, Smallville would have been just like any other yokel town in the middle of nowhere U.S.A. (My apologies to those living in such locations - you know my point.) Or is the theory that the meteor shower(s) still would have occurred but Clark wouldn't have been there? If so, Kansas would have merged with Oklahoma by now thanks to Gabriel...

I hate if/then scenarios. LOL

[avidreader]

Where'd ya read that, just out of curiosity? If Clark hadn't arrived on Earth, Smallville would have been just like any other yokel town in the middle of nowhere U.S.A. (My apologies to those living in such locations - you know my point.) Or is the theory that the meteor shower(s) still would have occurred but Clark wouldn't have been there? If so, Kansas would have merged with Oklahoma by now thanks to Gabriel...

I hate if/then scenarios. LOL

I wont say where I read it, if you wanna PM I'll tell ya, but if it doesnt come true then I'll never believe the source again.

However, I see the "Clark not coming to earth" being more along the lines of showing us all the good things that have happened to the people in his life as a consequence of him being there.

At this point in time he is in much despair because he feels that he has brought alot of pain and suffering to the people that he loves.

[DarthSkywalker]

Wait then wouldn't Clark still be there? So it would be more like what would of happened if there was no meteor shower. Especially if this is from Lana's perspective. She doesn't know he is an alien.

[triplet]

I wont say where I read it, if you wanna PM I'll tell ya, but if it doesnt come true then I'll never believe the source again.

Copy me on that PM too, please....

However, I see the "Clark not coming to earth" being more along the lines of showing us all the good things that have happened to the people in his life as a consequence of him being there.

At this point in time he is in much despair because he feels that he has brought alot of pain and suffering to the people that he loves.

That would be good for him to see, I think... he needs to get over the guilt he feels about that.

[AgentPat]

I wont say where I read it, if you wanna PM I'll tell ya, but if it doesn't come true then I'll never believe the source again.Hee! Okay, I'll PM ya after this post.

However, I see the "Clark not coming to earth" being more along the lines of showing us all the good things that have happened to the people in his life as a consequence of him being there.

At this point in time he is in much despair because he feels that he has brought a lot of pain and suffering to the people that he loves.Sounds interesting, but wouldn't it make more sense to be seen from Clark's perspective? e.g. - so HE can see what good he's done?

BTW... since Fragile follows this episode, I'd be willing to bet Void has a LOT of flashback scenes. Read: filler. Yeah, I said filler. ;) They probably had to give Welling time to prep Fragile, just as Schneider couldn't be in Memoria because he was off preparing Talisman. Just a hunch. Your source may indeed be very correct on this, Avid.

[avidreader]

Hee! Okay, I'll PM ya after this post.

Sounds interesting, but wouldn't it make more sense to be seen from Clark's perspective? e.g. - so HE can see what good he's done?

Hmm... that's true. Didnt get my head around that the right way did I? Well we've seen in the trailer, or heard, that Jonathan is giving him a little pep talk about him being a symbol of peace and other stuff. So that fits.

BTW... since Fragile follows this episode, I'd be willing to bet Void has a LOT of flashback scenes. Read: filler. Yeah, I said filler. ;) They probably had to give Welling time to prep Fragile, just as Schneider couldn't be in Memoria because he was off preparing Talisman. Just a hunch. Your source may indeed be very correct on this, Avid.

That's what I was thinking and why I thought it made sense.

Copy me on that PM too, please....


You've gotta PM.

[avidreader]

Hey this sounds really good. WB Official Description.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/voiddescription.htm

JONATHAN KENT RETURNS — Still distraught over her break-up with Clark (Tom Welling), Lana (Kristin Kreuk) experiments with a dangerous serum that allows her to flat-line and see her deceased parents again. A worried Clark rushes to save Lana from hurting herself, but ends up being injected with the kryptonite-laced serum by a rogue doctor (Patrick Currie). When Clark flat-lines, he is able to talk to his father, recently deceased Jonathan (John Schneider), who warns him that Lionel (John Glover) knows his secret.. Meanwhile, Lionel continues to get closer to Martha (Annette O’Toole). Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack also star. The episode was written by Holly Harold and directed by Jeannot Swarc (#2T6417).

[The Caped Knight]

Hey this sounds really good. WB Official Description.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/voiddescription.htm

JONATHAN KENT RETURNS — Still distraught over her break-up with Clark (Tom Welling), Lana (Kristin Kreuk) experiments with a dangerous serum that allows her to flat-line and see her deceased parents again. A worried Clark rushes to save Lana from hurting herself, but ends up being injected with the kryptonite-laced serum by a rogue doctor (Patrick Currie). When Clark flat-lines, he is able to talk to his father, recently deceased Jonathan (John Schneider), who warns him that Lionel (John Glover) knows his secret.. Meanwhile, Lionel continues to get closer to Martha (Annette O’Toole). Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack also star. The episode was written by Holly Harold and directed by Jeannot Swarc (#2T6417).

Sounds awesome . :up: :up:

[Lara]

hmmm I could see Lana trying that in order to see her parents I quess. However I hope it's not really out of depression over a break up she's a stronger woman than that.

[avidreader]

hmmm I could see Lana trying that in order to see her parents I quess. However I hope it's not really out of depression over a break up she's a stronger woman than that.

They make it sound like she's doing it out of despair, but maybe she knows the true nature of what the drug can do. But then why would you do that to yourself.

What was that movie with Keifer Sutherland and Julia Roberts?

[AgentPat]

What was that movie with Keifer Sutherland and Julia Roberts?"Flatliners."

Y'know, I'm surprised nobody has picked up on the religious connotations to this ep. If Clark flatlines (read: DIES!), which enables him to have a conversation (while still "dead") with his previously deceased father, who then proceeds to warn him about something he knew before he died (Lionel knowing Clark's secret), what are the SV writers saying here?

I loved Hidden because of the wonderful use of metaphor, even if they did hit us over the head with the Christ analogies, but I think they're taking the Touched-by-an-Angel angle to a new level with this episode. :rolleyes:

[avidreader]

Its Sci-Fi and krypto related. ;)

If you believe in that stuff then you'll see the religious side of it, if not then you'll take it as sci-fi fantasy.

And thanks for the name of that movie, Flatliners. That movie was creepy.

[AgentPat]

Its Sci-Fi and krypto related. ;)

If you believe in that stuff then you'll see the religious side of it, if not then you'll take it as sci-fi fantasy.You have a way of making me feel better. Thanks! :D

Kiki can do that too. BTW, where has Kiki been? We need her in the Hypnotic thread. LOLOLOL!!

And thanks for the name of that movie, Flatliners. That movie was creepy.Yeah, it was. Creepy and bizarre.

[avidreader]

You have a way of making me feel better. Thanks! :D

Kiki can do that too. BTW, where has Kiki been? We need her in the Hypnotic thread. LOLOLOL!!

Yeah, it was. Creepy and bizarre.

Happy to be of service. :)

Yeah, where are you Kiki.

[triplet]

Hey this sounds really good. WB Official Description.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/voiddescription.htm

JONATHAN KENT RETURNS — Still distraught over her break-up with Clark (Tom Welling), Lana (Kristin Kreuk) experiments with a dangerous serum that allows her to flat-line and see her deceased parents again. A worried Clark rushes to save Lana from hurting herself, but ends up being injected with the kryptonite-laced serum by a rogue doctor (Patrick Currie). When Clark flat-lines, he is able to talk to his father, recently deceased Jonathan (John Schneider), who warns him that Lionel (John Glover) knows his secret.. Meanwhile, Lionel continues to get closer to Martha (Annette O’Toole). Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack also star. The episode was written by Holly Harold and directed by Jeannot Swarc (#2T6417).

Interesting...

:up:

I like it. :D

Can't wait.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Hey this sounds really good. WB Official Description.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/voiddescription.htm

JONATHAN KENT RETURNS — Still distraught over her break-up with Clark (Tom Welling), Lana (Kristin Kreuk) experiments with a dangerous serum that allows her to flat-line and see her deceased parents again. A worried Clark rushes to save Lana from hurting herself, but ends up being injected with the kryptonite-laced serum by a rogue doctor (Patrick Currie). When Clark flat-lines, he is able to talk to his father, recently deceased Jonathan (John Schneider), who warns him that Lionel (John Glover) knows his secret.. Meanwhile, Lionel continues to get closer to Martha (Annette O’Toole). Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack also star. The episode was written by Holly Harold and directed by Jeannot Swarc (#2T6417).

I was kind of hoping Jonathan would want to come back & simply warn him. Does this mean every time Clark would want to talk to his Father he has to take this Serum ?

[avidreader]

I was thinking that maybe Lana takes this serum to begin with, so that she can become a krypto-freak.


She may be doing it so that she has something in common with Clark, and hoping that Clark will see it that way as well. He therefore wont feel like he needs to keep pushing her away.

She is still probably thinking that there is part of Clark that wont tell her his secret because he's worried she wont accept him.

[Lara]

I was thinking that maybe Lana takes this serum to begin with, so that she can become a krypto-freak.


She may be doing it so that she has something in common with Clark, and hoping that Clark will see it that way as well. He therefore wont feel like he needs to keep pushing her away.

She is still probably thinking that there is part of Clark that wont tell her his secret because he's worried she wont accept him.
I just hope they are careful I know the Red K had a drug analogy but shooting up is just so blatant. Lana is the female lead and I'm sure she's a role model for alot of young girls so I hope it doesn't come across in anyway like drug abuse.

[AgentPat]

I just hope they are careful I know the Red K had a drug analogy but shooting up is just so blatant. Lana is the female lead and I'm sure she's a role model for alot of young girls so I hope it doesn't come across in anyway like drug abuse.Intersting point. I hadn't thought about it in that way. Hmmm...

Uh boy. I can hear it already.... :(

[jr24tw]

Holly Harold wrote the episode so really...what did you expect? She hates Lana. Plain and simple. She gets off on writing her OOC. Hey I would accept the whole drug/serum thing if someone got Lana hooked on it without her noticing or something. But her taking stuff on her own? That's just unbelievable but exactly what Holly Harold would write. She loves putting Lana down another notch.

But strangely she is in love with Lexana (she is just sick like that). I bet there will be some nice Lexana scenes from her too in this episode. If there wasn't I'd be disappointed in Holly.

To make a long story short...HH should be banned from writing any Smallville episodes ever. The woman disgusts me on so many levels.

[triplet]

Hmmm.... I'm not sure I'd go that far.

Holly Harold wrote Lexmas, probably one of the best Lana episodes in the last two seasons... And I loved Obsession and Pariah was pretty good too.

[AgentPat]

To make a long story short...HH should be banned from writing any Smallville episodes ever. The woman disgusts me on so many levels.Wow. LOL What other eps did she write for SV? Now I'm curious. I wasn't particularly fond of Lexmas, though seeing Clark in the Santa hat was beyond too cute for words, so I gave it two extra points just for that LOL.

BTW, welcome to the Hype, jr24tw! :)

[triplet]

She wrote Magnetic, Obsession, Pariah, Facade and Lexmas in addition to Void.

http://www.tv.com/holly-harold/person/241344/appearances.html

She's the show's script editor in addition to penning scripts so she only writes one or two episodes a season, unlike the other scribes that write more.

Personally, Magnetic and Facade were less than successful eps but I loved Obsession and Pariah and Lexmas was good...

[jr24tw]

Well writing Lana when it comes to Lexana is a whole different story with HH. But when it's only Lana the woman will make her out to be the worlds biggest b****. Excuse the language.

Take Magnetic for example. I didn't like Lana very much there. While she looked awesome in Lexmas and I lover as mommy...that was Lexana mostly.

Obsession and Facade there wasn't really that much Lana to talk about. But wasn't Pariah the episode where Lana wanted to sleep with Jason just to keep him (or was that Unsafe)? That was totally OOC for Lana. HH can write episodes where there is no or barely any Lana. But keep her away from any stories where she plays a major part in. I always cringe just thinking about it.

[triplet]

Well writing Lana when it comes to Lexana is a whole different story with HH. But when it's only Lana the woman will make her out to be the worlds biggest b****. Excuse the language.

Take Magnetic for example. I didn't like Lana very much there. While she looked awesome in Lexmas and I lover as mommy...that was Lexana mostly.

Obsession and Facade there wasn't really that much Lana to talk about. But wasn't Pariah the episode where Lana wanted to sleep with Jason just to keep him (or was that Unsafe)? That was totally OOC for Lana. HH can write episodes where there is no or barely any Lana. But keep her away from any stories where she plays a major part in. I always cringe just thinking about it.

Unsafe was the one where Lana wanted to sleep with Jason....

Pariah was the one where kryptofreak Tim tried to kill Lana pretending to be Alicia. I didn't mind Lana in that one too much but the freak was kinda lame, as are a lot of her FOTWs...

Some people have a stronger feel for writing a good FOTW, Stephen S. DeKnight can do a great job... other times he's awful.

(The Krypto-freak twins in Mortal were awful but even in the same episode that Electricity dude was cool...)

[BaK]

Well writing Lana when it comes to Lexana is a whole different story with HH. But when it's only Lana the woman will make her out to be the worlds biggest b****. Excuse the language.

Take Magnetic for example. I didn't like Lana very much there. While she looked awesome in Lexmas and I lover as mommy...that was Lexana mostly.

Obsession and Facade there wasn't really that much Lana to talk about. But wasn't Pariah the episode where Lana wanted to sleep with Jason just to keep him (or was that Unsafe)? That was totally OOC for Lana. HH can write episodes where there is no or barely any Lana. But keep her away from any stories where she plays a major part in. I always cringe just thinking about it. i think you are reading way too much hate there, where actually is none - G&M would never allow it anyways..
What is there, is trying to generate some friction/dynamics into relationship which would be dull without it..
It's probably true that there are writers with less ''love'' for Lana character, but it ain't showing/coming through all that much..

Good writers love all the characters of the story..
End of story..:)

[BaK]

Hey this sounds really good. WB Official Description.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/voiddescription.htm

JONATHAN KENT RETURNS — Still distraught over her break-up with Clark (Tom Welling), Lana (Kristin Kreuk) experiments with a dangerous serum that allows her to flat-line and see her deceased parents again. A worried Clark rushes to save Lana from hurting herself, but ends up being injected with the kryptonite-laced serum by a rogue doctor (Patrick Currie). When Clark flat-lines, he is able to talk to his father, recently deceased Jonathan (John Schneider), who warns him that Lionel (John Glover) knows his secret.. Meanwhile, Lionel continues to get closer to Martha (Annette O’Toole). Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack also star. The episode was written by Holly Harold and directed by Jeannot Swarc (#2T6417). There were parts in Flatliners (un-creepy ones) that were actually
very "visually powerfull" ("while dead" sequences) whatever that means (in a good way)..
it really does the closest there is to - ''transcend" you - "somewhere else"..

Stuff from Smallvile that have been done with this kind of visual/"transcending" approach, (like Lex in the White House, etc), was stunning too..
So this sounds spectacular.. :)

[avidreader]

There were parts in Flatliners (un-creepy ones) that were actually
very "visually powerfull" ("while dead" sequences) whatever that means (in a good way)..
it really does the closest there is to - ''transcend" you - "somewhere else"..

Stuff from Smallvile that have been done with this kind of visual/"transcending" approach, (like Lex in the White House, etc), was stunning too..
So this sounds spectacular.. :)

I agree. I think its going to be an awesome episode, with a huge amount of mythology. And I love that. :up:

Holly Harold wrote the episode so really...what did you expect? She hates Lana. Plain and simple. She gets off on writing her OOC. Hey I would accept the whole drug/serum thing if someone got Lana hooked on it without her noticing or something. But her taking stuff on her own? That's just unbelievable but exactly what Holly Harold would write. She loves putting Lana down another notch.


The thing is the stories are developed by the entire writing team So how they would want Lana to behave in this episode is thrashed out between all of the writers.

[Red]

Just somethings that that comes to mind after reading the description to Void and the trailer for Hypnotic

Why would Lana be upset about the break up, when it was her call? At least I think it was her call from reading spoilers from a while back.

[BaK]

Just somethings that that comes to mind after reading the description to Void and the trailer for Hypnotic

Why would Lana be upset about the break up, when it was her call? At least I think it was her call from reading spoilers from a while back.

Because she knows they both love each other and somehow the relationship is not working and it does not make sense and she is confused and it's all about something that she does not know, but she does not know that she does not know, and it's his secret of course, because everything in Smallville revolves around the Big Secret..

See? Very simple.. :D

[AgentPat]

Just somethings that that comes to mind after reading the description to Void and the trailer for Hypnotic

Why would Lana be upset about the break up, when it was her call? At least I think it was her call from reading spoilers from a while back.Other than the writers milking the drama for all it's worth? Well, I think Avid came up with a good point over in the Hypnotic thread a few days ago...

...The last 7 or 8 episodes with Clark and Lana have shown us Clark who is no longer willing and able to have a sexual relationship with Lana;

1. because he's afraid of hurting her; and
2. its unfair to have a relationship with her like that when he isnt being totally honest about himself.

Then we have a scene with Lana walking in on Clark about to do the act, with no hesitation....Seems logical to me.

[Red]

Other than the writers milking the drama for all it's worth? Well, I think Avid came up with a good point over in the Hypnotic thread a few days ago...

Seems logical to me.

True. Although I'm sure their was a spoiler a while back about Clark telling Lana he was hypnotised and Lana still wanting to break up.

[mellyM]

True. Although I'm sure their was a spoiler a while back about Clark telling Lana he was hypnotised and Lana still wanting to break up.
I think it was in Ask Ausiello, and it said Clark breaks up with her because he sees how much he's hurting her.

[AgentPat]

I think it was in Ask Ausiello, and it said Clark breaks up with her because he sees how much he's hurting her.That might come after Chloe's beat down, which should prove interesting. That said, I'd rather see the break-up be a mutual "this aint gonna work" type situation, even though we've heard it already more than once. When it's only one sided, the other person tends to hold out hope that things might change, and we really don't want that door to be left open any more. Both individuals have to move on and stop looking back.

[Red]

That might come after Chloe's beat down, which should prove interesting. That said, I'd rather see the break-up be a mutual "this aint gonna work" type situation, even though we've heard it already more than once. When it's only one sided, the other person tends to hold out hope that things might change, and we really don't want that door to be left open any more. Both individuals have to move on and stop looking back.

Personally I can see them getting back together again, once Lana learns Clarks secret. Then Lana gives a big speech and him being ment for more, then they break up mutually.

[AgentPat]

Personally I can see them getting back together again, once Lana learns Clarks secret. Then Lana gives a big speech and him being ment for more, then they break up mutually.Oy! Well, yeah, I can "see" it too - knowing the SV writers LOL. I just hope they don't go that route. Viewers have become very tired of the Lana/Clark seesaw. Given that scenario, I would have preferred the writers keep Lana and Clark together as a couple, and then have her let Clark go in the end.

[Red]

I wouldn't prefer it also Pat, but what can you do. Its whats going to happen.

[avidreader]

Personally I can see them getting back together again, once Lana learns Clarks secret. Then Lana gives a big speech and him being ment for more, then they break up mutually.

Oy! Well, yeah, I can "see" it too - knowing the SV writers LOL. I just hope they don't go that route. Viewers have become very tired of the Lana/Clark seesaw. Given that scenario, I would have preferred the writers keep Lana and Clark together as a couple, and then have her let Clark go in the end.

I still see it going this way. That is they'll get back together when she learns his secret (at the end of this season ;) ) and she's come to terms with it all and accepts him.

Then it will be all about how they can keep the relationship going, but they come to the realisation that he is destined for bigger things.

It makes their leaving each other more dramatic and a bigger sacrifice.

[AgentPat]

I still see it going this way. That is they'll get back together when she learns his secret (at the end of this season ;) ) and she's come to terms with it all and accepts him.

Then it will be all about how they can keep the relationship going, but they come to the realization that he is destined for bigger things.

It makes their leaving each other more dramatic and a bigger sacrifice.That's the part that bugs me. IF they take this route - and I see where Red X is coming from - it's gonna end up being the same ole same ole, and that's NOT what fans have been asking for. Why drag it out relentlessly? And Lana finding out about Clark on her own (or with Lex's help) takes all of the specialness out of his telling her himself, like he did in Reckoning.

Meh. I honestly don't know what to think at this point. I know how its been handled in the comics, and I like it like that, but as we all know, this is SV, and SV likes to do things differently.

Sometimes it seems like the writers Just. Don't. Know. what to do with Lana. How do you keep a romance interesting between two characters on a TV show over seven years? Why, you break them up every season and bring them back together again for the next. How else would you do it? :rolleyes: :p

[Lara]

Unfortunately that's the one downside of more seasons, watching the writers struggle with Clark/Lana. If they had known things were going to go so well this season and a 6th was a given I wonder if they would have just kept them together the whole season. There has been more then enough drama with Johnathans death, Lionel knowing, Braniac/Zod. Besides a break up is only worth it dramatically once we're invested in the relationship I think we all knew it was immdiately doomed and they would go back to the stupid see saw.

[avidreader]

That's the part that bugs me. IF they take this route - and I see where Red X is coming from - it's gonna end up being the same ole same ole, and that's NOT what fans have been asking for. Why drag it out relentlessly? And Lana finding out about Clark on her own (or with Lex's help) takes all of the specialness out of his telling her himself, like he did in Reckoning.

Well I think that's why we did get Reckoning. It showed us how special it would be if he told her himself. He will never tell her himself now, because of what happened.

I think when she finds out this next time, she wont be quite as accepting as she was in Reckoning, which may lead him to tell her what happened in Reckoning.

It will be the same ol' same ol', but it will be different. ;)

Sometimes it seems like the writers Just. Don't. Know. what to do with Lana. How do you keep a romance interesting between two characters on a TV show over seven years? Why, you break them up every season and bring them back together again for the next. How else would you do it? :rolleyes: :p

The challenges of writing. I think it makes their struggle that more special.

[GothicPowerMix1]

it's gonna end up being the same ole same ole, and that's NOT what fans have been asking for

Pretty much how its been the last 5 Years & the 100th Episode did not make any difference aside from when Lana does find out on her own she just will be ticked at Clark now. I doubt Clark will tell Lana about what happened in that Episode as well that will just make things even more worse. The 100th Episode will just end up bringing us back to Square One with Lana & Clark through the Rest Of The Series. Things will just get worse with Lana & Clark especially when Lana finds out on her own. Which is why I HATE how they did things in the 100th Episode. They should have kept that moment for the when it is more closer to the End Of The Series. But now us fans will have to deal with the same old same old crap. I just think that moment should have been saved for NO MATTER WHAT near the End Of The Series. But since that moment is ruined we only have Three things to look forward to

A) Him finally becoming Superman

B) The end of Lex & Clark

C) Chloe dying or ending up in a Nut House

D) The Lana & Clark thing will remain the same until the Last Episode if you ask me

& yes I know Chloe is becoming an Official Character in the Comics but I think that will not work in terms of this Show because if they keep her around then they might as well just kill Lois in this Show & Chloe becomes Lois. I think this Show will be on its own & stand out a bit from any Comics & Chloe will end up dead or in a Nut House. As many have said Chloe is more Lois right now so why bother keeping Lois around ? Which leads me to believe they will end up doing something to Chloe in this Series.

[avidreader]

From TV.com


Distraught over her break-up with Clark, Lana goes to a rogue doctor who experiments with a dangerous kryptonite-based serum that allows people to flat-line but see their dead loved ones. Lana attempts to see her dead parents using the serum and when Clark returns from Honduras to help her, the doctor injects him with the serum and Clark speaks with his dead father...who warns him that Lionel knows his secret. Meanwhile, Lionel continues working to get closer to Martha.

http://www.tv.com/smallville/show/1718/episode_guide.html&season=5

I think this is slightly better than Lana just turning to drugs to get some relief. She actually wants to communicate with her dead parents. Poor girl is suffering bad. :(

[GothicPowerMix1]

Poor girl is suffering bad. :(

She will get over it the next week when she seeks out Lex. She will live

[Super_Ludacris]

Oh jesus

[GothicPowerMix1]

Oh jesus

Well that is what will happen. The 2 do get closer together & Lex will strike now while he can. MR said as much as Lex wants Clark & Lana broken up & since Lana & Clark are broken up in this Episode after this Episode I imagine Lex will make his move slowly but surely. Do not blame me buddy, blame the Writers of the Show for this Plot. I am just going by what Michael himself said & it does not seem that far fetched that Lana will go for the guy who has always never lied to her & been honest with her & took a bullet for her. As I said dont blame me blame the Writers.

[Super_Ludacris]

I dont mean "Oh Jesus" to that....

[GothicPowerMix1]

I dont mean "Oh Jesus" to that....

:confused:

[Super_Ludacris]

at the Lana storyline.

[GothicPowerMix1]

at the Lana storyline.

At least they are not dragging Chloe like this. They have no idea what to do with these Two :p

[BaK]

I think when she finds out this next time, she wont be quite as accepting as she was in Reckoning, which may lead him to tell her what happened in Reckoning.
It will be the same ol' same ol', but it will be different. ;)
more good points by avid.. :up:

[Super_Ludacris]

At least they are not dragging Chloe like this. They have no idea what to do with these Two :p


Chloe is garbage lol

[avidreader]

more good points by avid.. :up:

and more great one liners by Bak. :up: :)

[GothicPowerMix1]

Chloe is garbage lol

I dont like Chloe either. She should have died in the 100th Episode when she had the chance. But she will probably end up in a Nut House

[Super_Ludacris]

Wasnt there an episode did this season or upcoming where she kinda does? I thought that would have been the catch to that

[GothicPowerMix1]

Wasnt there an episode did this season or upcoming where she kinda does? I thought that would have been the catch to that

She went nuts for an Episode but only because a Dead Girl was in her

[BaK]

back from page 2.. :mad:

[Kane]

Chloe is garbage lol

I have to agree.

[Serene]

I dont like Chloe either. She should have died in the 100th Episode when she had the chance. But she will probably end up in a Nut House

I don't think they'll go the insanity route anymore.. esp. now that we know her character is going to be in the comics. I'm not sure what they're going to do with her though. There does seem to be a conflict, of sorts, with having two female characters both destined to have stellar careers in journalism. We know they aren't going to veer Lois off that trail, so will they just have Chloe ALSO be a big-shot journalist? It doesn't seem likely.

I'm glad she's not dead though. I do like her knowing Clark's secret, and helping him out. My gripes with Chloe are that she seems to be the key in too many of what should be, Clarks "saves" this season.

I'm also curious to she's going to get her hopes up about Clark now that Lana is out of the picture.

[GothicPowerMix1]

esp. now that we know her character is going to be in the comics.

As I have said what happens in the Comics does not determine what happens in Shows or Movies otherwise we would have PERFECT ADAPTIONS. So unless we hear otherwise from someone that works on the Show in my opinion Chloe going to the Comics does not effect what happens on the Show.

[Serene]

As I have said what happens in the Comics does not determine what happens in Shows or Movies otherwise we would have PERFECT ADAPTIONS

Perhaps not exactly.. but issues with the main characters seem to be pretty consistent in their general place in the Superman universe.

You think they'd ever drop Lois from the show and let Clark and Lana live happily ever after? Of course not.

Or have Lex turn out to be a bad guy who finds redemption and becomes Clark's best friend once again? Again.. no way.

In line with that, if Chloe truly has a place in the comic universe now, I'd be very surprised if they killed her off on SV.

I could be completely wrong.. but it just seems to make sense that her life insurance premiums just went down a bit after she secured a spot in the comics. :D

[GothicPowerMix1]

Perhaps not exactly.. but issues with the main characters seem to be pretty consistent in their general place in the Superman universe.

You think they'd ever drop Lois from the show and let Clark and Lana live happily ever after? Of course not.

Or have Lex turn out to be a bad guy who finds redemption and becomes Clark's best friend once again? Again.. no way.

In line with that, if Chloe truly has a place in the comic universe now, I'd be very surprised if they killed her off on SV.

I could be completely wrong.. but it just seems to make sense that her life insurance premiums just went down a bit after she secured a spot in the comics. :D

Technically we really don't know what they have planned for Chloe. Seh could end up in a Nut House Permanately in the end for all we know. You think what you think & I will think what I think.

[Serene]

You think what you think & I will think what I think.

Well..um, sure?

Geez.. defensive much? :confused:

[Brainiac 8]

Well..um, sure?

Geez.. defensive much? :confused:

Just a little.:p

I agree with you Serene. I think she was just given the get out of jail free card in the show.

[Brainiac 8]

Chloe is garbage lol


I like her. Clark, Lex, and Chloe are the three best characters in my opinion. Oh well, to each his own...

[avidreader]

From Ahmed at Sweet.

i saw a new trailer on Citytv. it was about 10 seconds long. it showed clark superspeeding from hondorus to save lana, but the doctor injects clark with a kryptonite needle right on his heart. and then lana's telling the doctor that she needs to help clark and she looks so pale and her eyes look purple like she hasn't slept in a week.

Sounds interesting. Lana saving Clark.

[The Caped Knight]

From Ahmed at Sweet.

i saw a new trailer on Citytv. it was about 10 seconds long. it showed clark superspeeding from hondorus to save lana, but the doctor injects clark with a kryptonite needle right on his heart. and then lana's telling the doctor that she needs to help clark and she looks so pale and her eyes look purple like she hasn't slept in a week.

Lana saving Clark.

Oh Brother .:o

[AgentPat]

^ ROFLMAO@Kal! :p

Hang in thar, dude. ;)

[GothicPowerMix1]

From Ahmed at Sweet.



Sounds interesting. Lana saving Clark.

Told you so. It is going to be like those Two never broke up

[avidreader]

Personally, I think that this episode is going to be a big piece of the puzzle.

[The Caped Knight]

^ ROFLMAO@Kal! :p

Hang in thar, dude. ;)

Thanks.

The only reasons I'm still hanging on to smallville is

(1) Clark Kent will finally Embrace & accept his DESTINY (This season)

(2) Lois Lane (I really enjoy watching her Journey from The Army Brat, To The Ace Reporter of The Daily Planet , Plus all The forshadowing .{Her life as a reporter, Her Future life with Clark /SUPERMAN.)

(3) Lex Luthor {I enjoy watching Lex become more and more like The SOB he is Destined to become .}

(4) Brainiac {This season James Marsters Preformance as
Professor Milton Fine / Brainiac Has made Season 5 worth Watching. }

(5) Martha

(6) Lionel

(7) Chloe

[AgentPat]

(1) Clark Kent will finally Embrace & accept his DESTINY (This season)

(2) Lois Lane (I really enjoy watching her Journey from The Army Brat, To The Ace Reporter of The Daily Planet , Plus all The foreshadowing .{Her life as a reporter, Her Future life with Clark /SUPERMAN.)

(3) Lex Luthor {I enjoy watching Lex become more and more like The SOB he is Destined to become .}

(4) Brainiac {This season James Marsters Performance as
Professor Milton Fine / Brainiac Has made Season 5 worth Watching. }

(5) Martha

(6) Lionel

(7) ChloeNice list. :up:

On #1, I have my doubts that Clark will *completely* embrace his destiny this season. They've got [keeps fingers crossed] two more seasons to go, so the full circle might be just a wee bit longer. But I'll be here waiting no matter how long it takes. :D

Good observation with Lois on #2. She has arguably further to go than Clark and Lex combined, so that journey should be an interesting one.

With #3, as long as they keep Lex "grounded" in his approach, I'm good. I have no desire to see Lex Luthor be a madman, and/or revel in the mass slaughter of "billions of people." *cough* It's formulaic maniacal bad guy nonsense and frankly, quite campy. Lex wants people to adore him as a savior. He wants the power that comes from idolatry, and he'll do what's necessary to achieve that goal, even if he has to be an SOB to get it. But he'll still be a brilliant businessman at the same time.

What I'm really, re-HEEEEEEEELY looking forward to is seeing the sparks of jealousy begin to erupt. It started right after Clark rescued Lex from the Porsche accident, and it's manifested itself in various things Lex has done and said ever since. The comments about Clark's hair for example, while definitely funny on one level, adds to the ever increasing litany of attributes that Lex covets about Clark. He already teases Clark about his hero complex. Just WAIT till Lex finds out what Clark can *really* do. Heh. Their "friendship" is soon to become the stuff of legend indeed.

[The Caped Knight]

Nice list. :up:

On #1, I have my doubts that Clark will *completely* embrace his destiny this season. They've got [keeps fingers crossed] two more seasons to go, so the full circle might be just a wee bit longer. But I'll be here waiting no matter how long it takes. :D

Good observation with Lois on #2. She has arguably further to go than Clark and Lex combined, so that journey should be an interesting one.



No please say it isn't so. I don't want to go thought another Season of Clark The Jackass Kent . I want to See Kal-EL, I want to see "The REAL Clark Kent". :supes:

Thanks, Indeed, Lois's journey is great, We see her go from The Army brat {Who isn't sure what Her Future hold's} To becoming The Iconic woman in SUPERMAN's life. To complete Lois's journey all she needs is an Intrest in Journalism & *Bang* The Ace Reporter is born. {She already has the stuff, she needs to become The Iconic Woman she's Destined to become.} All she missing is the intrest in Journalism .

[GothicPowerMix1]

I thought we saw Lois gain a "little" interest at the end of that One Episode after talking to Chloe in the Daily Planet she looks at the Daily Planet Logo on the wall

[The Caped Knight]

I thought we saw Lois gain a "little" interest at the end of that One Episode after talking to Chloe in the Daily Planet she looks at the Daily Planet Logo on the wall


http://smallville.cinecin.com/soli89.jpg
Yes we did, In "Solitude", But that was just the begining . The best is yet to come .

[The Caped Knight]

What I'm really, re-HEEEEEEEELY looking forward to is seeing the sparks of jealousy begin to erupt. It started right after Clark rescued Lex from the Porsche accident, and it's manifested itself in various things Lex has done and said ever since. The comments about Clark's hair for example, while definitely funny on one level, adds to the ever increasing litany of attributes that Lex covets about Clark. He already teases Clark about his hero complex. Just WAIT till Lex finds out what Clark can *really* do. Heh. Their "friendship" is soon to become the stuff of legend indeed.

I'm also looking forward to this too, But I'm telling you now Pat, I will be Pissed-off at the writers if they make it that Clark & Lex become eneimes because of lana. If she's the final Straw to ending their friendship. I WILL BE REALLY UPSET .:mad:

[avidreader]

I'm also looking forward to this too, But I'm telling you now Pat, I will be Pissed-off at the writers if they make it that Clark & Lex become eneimes because of lana. If she's the final Straw to ending their friendship. I WILL BE REALLY UPSET .:mad:

Oh brother :rolleyes:

[BaK]

I'm also looking forward to this too, But I'm telling you now Pat, I will be Pissed-off at the writers if they make it that Clark & Lex become eneimes because of lana. If she's the final Straw to ending their friendship. I WILL BE REALLY UPSET .:mad:

now now.. i'm sure you'll find something else to be upset about easy..

[AgentPat]

I'm also looking forward to this too, But I'm telling you now Pat, I will be Pissed-off at the writers if they make it that Clark & Lex become eneimes because of lana. If she's the final Straw to ending their friendship. I WILL BE REALLY UPSET .:mad:Oooo... Deja Vu.

:p ;)

[The Caped Knight]

Oh brother :rolleyes:

Hey, If that is the reason, Then that is so stupid . Because neiter of them get some farmgirl, They become Sworn enemies for the rest of their lives WTF is that ?

At least with Anakin & Obi-Wan, their was a better explnation .

[Brainiac 8]

Hey, If that is the reason, Then that is so stupid . Because neiter of them get some farmgirl, They become Sworn enemies for the rest of their lives WTF is that ?

At least with Anakin & Obi-Wan, their was a better explnation .


No, Anakin joined the darkside because he hated his girly voice and image.:p

I don't think that is the final straw. I'm sure there will be more to it than that. They are both at odds already, close to being enemies anyway. Lana would be just one more nail.....


Oh brother:rolleyes:

I have friends who have gotten rabid angry at this show for similar reasons, so I understand.;)

[GothicPowerMix1]

If you ask me with Lex working with Braniac Lex will find out some interesting stuff about Clark through him & Lex will continue to find out info on Clark. I think a big part of it will be the fact that Lex has always lied to Clark about trying to find out about him & now Lex is working with Clarks Enemy. Thats more then enough to get Clark pissed at Lex outside of Lana & the fact that Lex is pretty much willing to do anything to find out what he wants to know. So maybe somewhere down the road something happens thanks to Lex to someone close to Clark that is not Lana. There are PLENTY of things now to make these Two Enemies & not just one Girl.

[Brainiac 8]

If you ask me with Lex working with Braniac Lex will find out some interesting stuff about Clark through him & Lex will continue to find out info on Clark. I think a big part of it will be the fact that Lex has always lied to Clark about trying to find out about him & now Lex is working with Clarks Enemy. Thats more then enough to get Clark pissed at Lex outside of Lana & the fact that Lex is pretty much willing to do anything to find out what he wants to know. So maybe somewhere down the road something happens thanks to Lex to someone close to Clark that is not Lana. There are PLENTY of things now to make these Two Enemies & not just one Girl.


I agree with you there. I actually would love for Lex to find out about Clarks powers in this Supes universe. It would add a whole new dynamic to the story and give Lex real reason to hate Clark.

[Serene]

I have friends who have gotten rabid angry at this show for similar reasons, so I understand.;)
Not a biggie, but you attributed a quote to me above, that should have been avidreader.

We just look a lot alike.

;)

[The Sage]

I'm also looking forward to this too, But I'm telling you now Pat, I will be Pissed-off at the writers if they make it that Clark & Lex become eneimes because of lana. If she's the final Straw to ending their friendship. I WILL BE REALLY UPSET .:mad:

Gooooood...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/PDVD_0045.jpg

[avidreader]

Not a biggie, but you attributed a quote to me above, that should have been avidreader.

We just look a lot alike.

;)

.... and sound the same. :)

[The Sage]

Chloe is garbage lol

I don't understand the hate for Chloe. She's like the best written character on the show and the main one that's undergone any real character progression, IMHYAO.

[GothicPowerMix1]

She's like the best written character on the show
That goes to


Lionel & Fine

:up:

[The Sage]

That goes to


Lionel & Fine

:up:

I think Chloe has them beat. Lionel's jump from bad to good to surprisingly being bad again is a bit clunky. I wanna see more of Fine, though I think he's written very well, and some of Marsters' deliveries of lines reminds me of the STAS Brainiac.

[The Caped Knight]

I don't understand the hate for Chloe. She's like the best written character on the show and the main one that's undergone any real character progression, IMHYAO.

No way, If anyone is getting good writting it's Brainiac .

[GothicPowerMix1]

I think Chloe has them beat

That is your opinion :o

[GothicPowerMix1]

No way, If anyone is getting good writting it's Brainiac .

:up:

Let's hope they give Zod good writing as well

[The Sage]

No way, If anyone is getting good writting it's Brainiac .

Okay okay. Best written ongoing character.:)

That is your opinion :o

Surely you jest?

[GothicPowerMix1]

Chloe can be good (rarely happens) but alot of times she ends up very annoying. Chloe to me is just the annoying Side Kick for Clark

[SsM]

shes smallvilles version of jimmy olsen :x

[The Caped Knight]

Okay okay. Best written ongoing character.:)




Their's NONE.

[The Caped Knight]

shes smallvilles version of jimmy olsen :x

Exsept Jimmy isn't as annoying as Chloe . But your right Chloe is smallville's version of jimmy{SUPERMAN's Pal}.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Clark is Luke
Lionel is the Emperor
Lex is Han Solo
Pete is Obi Wan Kenobi
Lana or Lois is Leia

(something like this)

[The Caped Knight]

Chloe can be good (rarely happens) but alot of times she ends up very annoying.


In "Hypnotic" she was very annoying .

[SsM]

In "Hypnotic" she was very annoying .

she's too "smart" for her own good.

[The Caped Knight]

Clark is Luke
Lionel is the Emperor
Lex is Han Solo
Pete is Obi Wan Kenobi
Lana or Lois is Leia

More like

Clark is Peter Parker

Lex is Harry Osborn

Lana is Gwen Stacy

Lois is Mary Jane

Chloe is Betty Brant or Debra Whitman

Martha is Aunt May

Jonathan is Uncle Ben

Lionel is Norman Osborn

[avidreader]

shes smallvilles version of jimmy olsen :x

I've been thinking this alot lately too. I am sick to death of her being the one that has to save everyone.

[The Caped Knight]

I am sick to death of her being the one that has to save everyone.

Yep she's stealing clark's thunder . :mad:

[GothicPowerMix1]

Yep she's stealing clark's thunder . :mad:

Chloeville :o

Expect a new Theme song for Next Season. Instead of "Somebody Save Me" It will simply be "Chloe Me"

[KalKai]

Err.. that's what best friends do, help their friends.. lol.

[The Caped Knight]

Chloeville :o

No first it was lanaville now it's Chloeville. :o :down :down

[GothicPowerMix1]

Err.. that's what best friends do, help their friends.. lol.

But this Show is about Clark not Chloe & you know what after Smallville is over I would not be surprised if Allison Mack gets her own Detective Type Show :o Or maybe she goes to another type of Show like Bones & steals Angels Thunder :o

[The Caped Knight]

Err.. that's what best friends do, help their friends.. lol.

Yes, that's true, But this show isn't about chloe it's about The Boy who will {Hopefully} Become SUPERMAN .

[Serene]

But this Show is about Clark not Chloe & you know what after Smallville is over I would not be surprised if Allison Mack gets her own Detective Type Show :o

She already has one.. It's called Veronica Mars. :D

[GothicPowerMix1]

She already has one.. It's called Veronica Mars. :D

Problem is no Allison Mack :o

[The Caped Knight]

As it stands now, The only hope for Clark to go from The Jackass farmboy to THE MAN OF STEEL & The Mild-Mannered Reporter is Jonathan's pep talk in "Void"

"You gotta keep the whole world safe, this is your destiny son. You are going to touch the lives of so many people, not just as a man, but as a symbol. You're a symbol of peace, you're a symbol of justice." - Jonathan Kent

Other than that this guy got no chance .

[The Caped Knight]

But this Show is about Clark not Chloe & you know what after Smallville is over I would not be surprised if Allison Mack gets her own Detective Type Show :o Or maybe she goes to another type of Show like Bones & steals Angels Thunder :o

I wouldn't doubt it . :o

[The Sage]

Their's NONE.

Cold as Ice.

[The Caped Knight]

Cold as Ice.

I'm being realistic The only character that is getting Great writting is Brainiac, and he's not even in The cast .

But he's getting all of the good writting .

[triplet]

I love the way Chloe is written and she is the one who usually gets the thankless task of delivering reams of expository dialogue but she does it so well and makes it so converstational and natural. That's a pretty neat trick.

She's excellent, but I think with Fine the writers have a much more interesting character to write than Chloe.

He's awesome and I love the way Marsters portrays him.

:up:

Any episode with Fine in it, is a better episode than it would have been otherwise... Take Aqua and Thirst. Main reasons to see those eps were because of the awesome Fine moments in them.

Same with Hypnotic... no reason, really, to watch that drek except for Fine manipulating Lex.

Smallville's Brainiac is a truly beautiful character and Marsters is serving him up wonderfully.

:up:

[The Caped Knight]

I love the way Chloe is written and she is the one who usually gets the thankless task of delivering reams of expository dialogue but she does it so well and makes it so converstational and natural. That's a pretty neat trick.

She's excellent, but I think with Fine the writers have a much more interesting character to write than Chloe.

You've got to be kidden me, They try really hard to write her as Lois lane and they do a bum job of it.

Chloe's been @ The Daily Planet for 12 episodes & she's done Nothing .

She hasn't written a story for The planet yet, She hasn't solved any case's on Her own yet.

What has she done ? Exsept help Clark

He's awesome and I love the way Marsters portrays him.

:up:

Any episode with Fine in it, is a better episode than it would have been otherwise... Take Aqua and Thirst. Main reasons to see those eps were because of the awesome Fine moments in them.

Same with Hypnotic... no reason, really, to watch that drek except for Fine manipulating Lex.

Smallville's Brainiac is a truly beautiful character and Marsters is serving him up wonderfully.

:up:

Now this I totally Agree Brainiac has made Season 5 worth watching. Other than that for me Season 5 has been a season I've not enjoyed for the most part .

[SsM]

season 5 hasnt been very good at all.. I did like the christmas episode at the end when lex comes to a realization about his life. without brainiac this season would be terrible though.

[The Sage]

I love the way Chloe is written and she is the one who usually gets the thankless task of delivering reams of expository dialogue but she does it so well and makes it so converstational and natural. That's a pretty neat trick.

She's excellent, but I think with Fine the writers have a much more interesting character to write than Chloe.

He's awesome and I love the way Marsters portrays him.

:up:

Any episode with Fine in it, is a better episode than it would have been otherwise... Take Aqua and Thirst. Main reasons to see those eps were because of the awesome Fine moments in them.

Same with Hypnotic... no reason, really, to watch that drek except for Fine manipulating Lex.

Smallville's Brainiac is a truly beautiful character and Marsters is serving him up wonderfully.

:up:

I agree with every point.

[GothicPowerMix1]

without brainiac this season would be terrible though.

100 % agreed

[AgentPat]

season 5 hasnt been very good at all.. I did like the christmas episode at the end when lex comes to a realization about his life. without brainiac this season would be terrible though.Wait! Is it still April 1st?

[The Caped Knight]

Without brainiac this season would be terrible.

Damn Straight :up: :up:

[The Sage]

without brainiac this season would be terrible though.

100 % agreed

Damn Straight :up: :up:

:up: :up: :up:

[Serene]

^Nah.

(someone had to say it) :D

[AgentPat]

^Nah.

(someone had to say it) :DI'm with ya girl. Remember this list (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7787225&postcount=19) from this thread (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218914)?

01 Hidden 168
02 Splinter 145
03 Arrival 141
04 Reckoning 139
05 Solitude 127
06 Vengeance 117
07 Mortal 115
08 Lexmas 96
09 Lockdown 67
10 Aqua 66
11 Thirst 61
12 Exposed 56
13 Fanatic 44
14 Tomb 23

That's how people of this board voted their preference in episodes up through Tomb. Braniac/Fine was in TWO of the top NINE eps on that list (Arrival doesn't count) and was in THREE of the five least favorites at the bottom.

Hello?

Don't get me wrong - I LOOOOOOVE the Braniac/Fine character, and Marsters plays him off the hook, but to say the fifth season would have been terrible without him isn't jiving with what folks voted in that poll above, nor is it reflected in the overall opinions of the last episode, Hypnotic, which marked his return.

C'mon folks. A little objectivity here?

[Serene]

This is why I love Pat, even though we seem to disagree a lot.

I post a lazy one word commentary to refute the last few posts, and then Pat comes along fully armed and loaded with examples, explanations, and lists!

LOL.. gotta love that girl. :D :up:

I especially love it when she uses pictures. ;)

[KalKai]

IF we didn't have Brainiac, we'd have someone else, and we'd have completely different episodes, so you can't really say Season 5 without him would be terrible.

[SsM]

I just havent liked season 5 as a whole.. I respect everyone has their personal opinions about this. The best moment in smallville so far for me was in s4 episode onyx when lex is like "Mr. Kent you were right about me all along... I AM THE VILLAIN OF THE STORY"

[The Sage]

I'm with ya girl. Remember this list (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7787225&postcount=19) from this thread (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218914)?

01 Hidden 168
02 Splinter 145
03 Arrival 141
04 Reckoning 139
05 Solitude 127
06 Vengeance 117
07 Mortal 115
08 Lexmas 96
09 Lockdown 67
10 Aqua 66
11 Thirst 61
12 Exposed 56
13 Fanatic 44
14 Tomb 23

That's how people of this board voted their preference in episodes up through Tomb. Braniac/Fine was in TWO of the top NINE eps on that list (Arrival doesn't count) and was in THREE of the five least favorites at the bottom.

Hello?

Don't get me wrong - I LOOOOOOVE the Braniac/Fine character, and Marsters plays him off the hook, but to say the fifth season would have been terrible without him isn't jiving with what folks voted in that poll above, nor is it reflected in the overall opinions of the last episode, Hypnotic, which marked his return.

C'mon folks. A little objectivity here?

I didn't vote in that pole actually. I'll watch out for them.

I think Solitude is the best episode this season.

[The Caped Knight]

I think Solitude is the best episode this season.

I Totally Agree . So far that is In my opinion The Best Episode this season .

[The Caped Knight]

^Nah.

(someone had to say it) :D

Oh come on, Brainiac's story arc saved this Season . Search your feelings, You will know it to be True .

The writters haven mess up Brainiac's storyline at all, They taken most of The Different versions of Brainiac & created their own .

[Super_Ludacris]

Oh come on, Brainiac's story arc saved this Season . Search your feelings, You will know it to be True .

The writters haven mess up Brainiac's storyline at all, They taken most of The Different versions of Brainiac & created their own .


Thank you for the advice Jor-El, now sit down:o . Different characters appeal to different people so to each his own

[The Caped Knight]

. Different characters appeal to different people so to each his own

Speak for yourself .

[Super_Ludacris]

I speak for all, I said different characters appeal to different people. Think about it

[The Sage]

I Totally Agree . So far that is In my opinion The Best Episode this season .

:up:

Great story, great execution.

[The Sage]

Thank you for the advice Jor-El, now sit down:o . Different characters appeal to different people so to each his own

Aight Luda, what's so appealing about Lana?

[KalKai]

Solitude the best ep this season? LOL, NO.

[The Caped Knight]

:up:

Great story, great execution.

Yes. Yes, The Whole episode was well written & everyone gave an outstanding preformance .

[triplet]

I really liked Solitude, but the best one? Naw....

That is probably Hidden in my book. It was nearly perfect.... I liked Splinter better than Solitude, anyway.

[Super_Ludacris]

Aight Luda, what's so appealing about Lana?


I always read the origin storylines of superman comics and other adaptations so it was always interesting to see how they talked about her in the mythology specifically relating to Smallville.That whole dynamic of Clark's upbringing is interesting and she played a big part. So when Smallville started I think the show covered it really well. What made it so appealing was it wasnt just about Superman, it mixed other genres (teen, sci-fi etc) and Lana has part of the big three was handled well. But the changes that people seem to notice to her dont seem to like about her dont seem to be that obvious, like I dont see how her reaction is worth the hate. And the whole love soap is just part of the make up of the show as far as being a teen show (I'm sorry but that's what it is, and its written as a good one though because of the other parts). The whole saga between two doesnt even take up the whole show.So far, there nothing to have such spite for her. Okay so she plays the damsell role...so what? It's a superhero how is this a problem? Besides the show is Smallville although Clark is the main character, learning about the others transistion is just as cruicial and if they want to put her in these storylines it's ok.

[Kane]

I agree that Solitude was probably the best episode this season. The only main problem with it was how easily Brainiac was defeated and got pwned (he couldnt even hear Chloe walk up behind him to save the day).

Hidden was overall a good episode but I wouldnt say it was the best. The villian of the episode seemed random (maybe because he was never introduced prior and we were expected to care). Chloe fighting him annoyed me too. The story with Jorel and the lifeforce transfering seemed strange.....and Lana not immediately questioning Clark's disapearance from the hospital (when Jorel teleported him) and coming back to life...seemed a bit corny too.

Splinter, I just didnt like. Typical redux of the story of a character out of his mind and not in control of his actions.. predictable. I think I would have liked it way more if it was written in a way that makes the audience believe that what Clark is seeing could be the truth....and then reveal he was dellusional the whole time.

[avidreader]

I always read the origin storylines of superman comics and other adaptations so it was always interesting to see how they talked about her in the mythology specifically relating to Smallville.That whole dynamic of Clark's upbringing is interesting and she played a big part. So when Smallville started I think the show covered it really well. What made it so appealing was it wasnt just about Superman, it mixed other genres (teen, sci-fi etc) and Lana has part of the big three was handled well. But the changes that people seem to notice to her dont seem to like about her dont seem to be that obvious, like I dont see how her reaction is worth the hate. And the whole love soap is just part of the make up of the show as far as being a teen show (I'm sorry but that's what it is, and its written as a good one though because of the other parts). The whole saga between two doesnt even take up the whole show.So far, there nothing to have such spite for her. Okay so she plays the damsell role...so what? It's a superhero how is this a problem? Besides the show is Smallville although Clark is the main character, learning about the others transistion is just as cruicial and if they want to put her in these storylines it's ok.

Excellent post SL! :up:

Splinter, I just didnt like. Typical redux of the story of a character out of his mind and not in control of his actions.. predictable. I think I would have liked it way more if it was written in a way that makes the audience believe that what Clark is seeing could be the truth....and then reveal he was dellusional the whole time.

What it did play on was his underlying fears, something that is very real to him. We got to see just what it is Clark Kent is afraid of, usually he is too controlled to show his emotions.

[Kane]

I thought his emotions were apparent in the earlier seasons, he just never showed them to Lana. It just didnt do anything for me even characterwise, considering how badly his mind was messed up....those may not have been his regular emotions and feelings anyways.

I did like Brainiac in that episode though, espeically his lines at the end. If Brainiac is made of Silver K though...couldnt he simply just pierce Clark's skin in battle and infect him all over again....

[The Sage]

I really liked Solitude, but the best one? Naw....

That is probably Hidden in my book. It was nearly perfect.... I liked Splinter better than Solitude, anyway.

Hidden is ruined by a few but major flaws. An 18 year old having access to a nuclear weapon; a near dead Clark laying the in the middle of nowhere, bleeding to death, somehow getting to the hospital; He gets resurrected and it's never resolved what the hospital is told; Lionel breaks out of Belle Reve and no one questions how.

[triplet]

Well, I loved it anyway... Tom gave a terrific performance, I loved Hidden.

[avidreader]

Anyhow back to Void, this is one episode I've really been looking forward to.

I wonder where Clark gets the information that he should look in Honduras for the spaceship and/or Brainiac.

And I'm really looking forward to Jonathan speaking with Clark, what he'll say and what impact that will have on Clark.

I also think that whatever conversation Lana has with her parents will enlighten us as to where her motivations for the rest of the season come from.

[GothicPowerMix1]

I wonder where Clark gets the information that he should look in Honduras for the spaceship and/or Brainiac

Maybe Braniac himself setted that up.

[The Sage]

Well, I loved it anyway... Tom gave a terrific performance, I loved Hidden.

Despite my feelings for the story, I think everyone gave a good performance. Seeing Clark get shot was very graphic and powerful. Lana's tears moved me. You especially feel for the Kents when the doctor tells them sorry. Their once invincible son, dead.

Best performance was John Glover as Jor-El's vessel.:)

[KalKai]

Eh playing Jor-El is the easiest thing to do probably. All he did was stand there and give his speech, lol.

[The Sage]

Eh playing Jor-El is the easiest thing to do probably. All he did was stand there and give his speech, lol.

To go from playing the slimy and creepy Lionel Luthor to the authoritative yet benevolent Jor-El?

Don't think easy to do, I think.

[KalKai]

It's easy to say JG gives the best performance all the time just because he has the most experience.

[triplet]

Maybe Braniac himself setted that up.

He's all about manipulating people to get his way, if getting Clark to Honduras (and away from his family and friends) helps him in anyway, I bet you might be right.

[The Sage]

It's easy to say JG gives the best performance all the time just because he has the most experience.

Of course, I never say he gives the best performance all the time.

[Mike_D202]

I wonder what kind of speech/advice John Kent will give Clark when he sees him breifly in this episode..:(

[KalKai]

I wonder what kind of speech/advice John Kent will give Clark when he sees him breifly in this episode..:(

Didn't you see the trailer? it's with the Vengeance Chronicles, part of that speech is in my sig.

[Mike_D202]

OMG i have to see it.

[KalKai]

Here it is:

http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2THRA6KTFZ1CT3SL8INIGWK3RL

[Mike_D202]

:up: Thanks!! :D

[GothicPowerMix1]

if getting Clark to Honduras (and away from his family and friends) helps him in anyway, I bet you might be right.

Well 2 People do get on a Plane that ends up on Auto Pilot & only Braniac knows where its going :o So yeah I think Clark going there is a Set Up for something else so hes not there to stop it

[Mike_D202]

Yea theres gotta be 2 different things going on. This must be the big "choice" he has to make.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Yea theres gotta be 2 different things going on. This must be the big "choice" he has to make.

What probably happens is

Lois & Martha (on the Plane) goes somewhere else under Braniacs control

Lana & Chloe gets seperated & stuck in a place yada yada. Clark comes back to find everybody missing :o

& Clark will have to choose who to save

Well I dont see Lana being involved because once Lex finds out Fine is after Clark I am sure Lex will say keep Lana out of this dont use her etc or Lex wont help Fine etc you know the usual

[The Caped Knight]

Here it is:

http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2THRA6KTFZ1CT3SL8INIGWK3RL

Now this was a kick ass trailer , compared to the one The WB showed after "Hypnotic".

That speech Jonathan gives Clark is the main thing I'm looking forward to in this episode. That and more is revealed about Brainiac's Masterplan .

Jonathan Kent : "I am so very proud that I died protecting you. Lionel Luthor knows your secret, you've gotta keep your mother safe, you gotta keep the whole world safe, this is your destiny son. You are going to touch the lives of so many people, not just as a man,
but as a symbol. You're a symbol of peace, you're a symbol of justice."


I have no intrest whatsoever to go down Memory Lane with Lana & her Dead parents ,or to see Lana hooked on Green-K . Screw that :o Show me Pa Kent {Who shouldn't have died} Return . :up: