Just how Strong/Powerful is Luke Cage

[ShadowBoxing]

What level is he on...could he take Cap, what about Colossus. he seems like he is way up there

[War Lord]

What level is he on...could he take Cap, what about Colossus. he seems like he is way up there

I've heard that he can bench a couple of tons.

www.marveldirectory.com likely has info on him.

[Elijya]

not WAY up there. Class 10, 20, 30 at most

[War Lord]

not WAY up there. Class 10, 20, 30 at most

Marvel Directory has him at 3 tons.

[Elijya]

another case of the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing with that one, I would think

Cage stood up to Doom, he'd have to be a whole lot better than class three for that

[wolverine8888]

Marvel Directory has him at 3 tons.
marvel dictionary is also not and official sight, it is out dated and also has incorrect info. the new avengers hand book if im not mistaken has luke cage at class for meaning at best is 24 tons or 25 tons

[deemar325]

Guys 25tons. titanium hard skin. 8===========D yeah fo' real! jusk ask Jessica Jones' Mud Hole

[War Lord]

another case of the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing with that one, I would think

Cage stood up to Doom, he'd have to be a whole lot better than class three for that

Not if he simply has a lot of balls.

[wolverine8888]

Not if he simply has a lot of balls.
either way the sight u used is inccorrect

[Elijya]

either way the sight u used is inccorrect
yeah, they still incorrectly list captain america's shield as being made of Adamantium and Vibranium

[War Lord]

either way the sight u used is inccorrect

The site might be somewhat outdated, but it's generally correct and the guy running it does update it periodically.

[wolverine8888]

The site might be somewhat outdated, but it's generally correct and the guy running it does update it periodically.
yes but see it out dated and incorrect. it is also not an offficial source for good reason, like that it has many big errors such as posting wolverine at only normal human strength agility and reflex which it is common knowledge, that wolverine is in the superhuman levels and this is just one example

[War Lord]

yes but see it out dated and incorrect. it is also not an offficial source for good reason, like that it has many big errors such as posting wolverine at only normal human strength agility and reflex which it is common knowledge, that wolverine is in the superhuman levels and this is just one example

It lists Wolverine at 800 lbs which, as far as I know, hasn't changed. He is considered still normal human strength, but at the extreme end of it.

[deemar325]

It lists Wolverine at 800 lbs which, as far as I know, hasn't changed. He is considered still normal human strength, but at the extreme end of it.

That site is all kinds of f--ked up, deal with it.

[ragingdemon155]

yes but see it out dated and incorrect. it is also not an offficial source for good reason, like that it has many big errors such as posting wolverine at only normal human strength agility and reflex which it is common knowledge, that wolverine is in the superhuman levels and this is just one example

But....Wolverine isn't at "superhuman" levels as far as strength, agility and reflexes are concerned. If anything I would put Wolverine at peak human. But then that would mean he is equal to Captain America physically and that just isn't the case. So Wolverine is most likely very slightly below that.

He isn't "superhuman" from a strength and speed standpoint.

[War Lord]

That site is all kinds of f--ked up, deal with it.

I'm not denying that the site has problems, but it's the best free online source out there still.

[deemar325]

I'm not denying that the site has problems, but it's the best free online source out there still.

It's cool in all, but I learned not to rely on it to much.

[wolverine8888]

But....Wolverine isn't at "superhuman" levels as far as strength, agility and reflexes are concerned. If anything I would put Wolverine at peak human. But then that would mean he is equal to Captain America physically and that just isn't the case. So Wolverine is most likely very slightly below that.

He isn't "superhuman" from a strength and speed standpoint.
u are wrong plain and simple he has since he been out been enchanced human which is lowest level of superhuman.
The Marvel Universe Master Edition Issue 4 clearly states that Wolverine's strength is enhanced human.
Marvel knights encyclopedia states wolverine as enchancded human which is also a step above peakhuman.
wolverine hand book 2004 has wolverine strength level at superhuman
hulks ultimate guide states wolverine with superhuman strength.
this stat list below is wolverines old states befor his heal factor up grades and they state the same thing


http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1849/wolverinesoldstats6xw.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinesoldstats6xw.jpg)

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

www.marveldirectory.com

[Varient]

Luke Cage is "accepted" at three tons by those who didn't read marvel team up where he tore the ladder off a fire engine and beat down a three strory brick building to keep a fire from spreading.

Luke Cage is accepted at three tons by those who didn't read the original title where he used his chain belt to pull a derailed e-train back up onto its track - it would simply be impossible to move three sections of train at 3 ton strength.

Luke Cage is accepted to be in the three ton range by those who didn't read classic Spiderman where Cage was hired by JJJ to capture Spiderman. Spiderman webbed him down ,.. a move that had held the scorpion,.. someone in Marvel Canon who was stronger than Spiderman. After Cage heard Spideys side of the story,.. he simply got up. 3 ton strength doesn't treat spideys web like tissue-paper.

Luke cage is accepted as being in the three ton range by those who rarely picked up a copy of H4H. In it cage shoved his hands through the hood of a big moving car that was trying to run him down and yanked the entire engine out. Only in a fantasy could one believe that someone had a max strength of three tons could rip out an 8 cyclinder ingine out of a movint 2 ton car, shearing the bolts that held it in place and snapping it off at the transmission like a stick of celery.

My point of course is throughout his career Cage has been doing stuff way outside of the "three ton range" but some die-hard __________________ need to believe that he is much weaker than displayed. You can't name any other hero that SO MANY people get wrong so casually as far as powers and abilities.

tsk.

[Red Mask]

not WAY up there. Class 10, 20, 30 at most

Whatever it is, I just say he's strong enough. Period.

[UK_Stu]

Luke Cage is "accepted" at three tons by those who didn't read marvel team up where he tore the ladder off a fire engine and beat down a three strory brick building to keep a fire from spreading.

Luke Cage is accepted at three tons by those who didn't read the original title where he used his chain belt to pull a derailed e-train back up onto its track - it would simply be impossible to move three sections of train at 3 ton strength.

Luke Cage is accepted to be in the three ton range by those who didn't read classic Spiderman where Cage was hired by JJJ to capture Spiderman. Spiderman webbed him down ,.. a move that had held the scorpion,.. someone in Marvel Canon who was stronger than Spiderman. After Cage heard Spideys side of the story,.. he simply got up. 3 ton strength doesn't treat spideys web like tissue-paper.

Luke cage is accepted as being in the three ton range by those who rarely picked up a copy of H4H. In it cage shoved his hands through the hood of a big moving car that was trying to run him down and yanked the entire engine out. Only in a fantasy could one believe that someone had a max strength of three tons could rip out an 8 cyclinder ingine out of a movint 2 ton car, shearing the bolts that held it in place and snapping it off at the transmission like a stick of celery.

My point of course is throughout his career Cage has been doing stuff way outside of the "three ton range" but some die-hard __________________ need to believe that he is much weaker than displayed. You can't name any other hero that SO MANY people get wrong so casually as far as powers and abilities.

tsk.

Good post, couldn't have said it better myself. ASM #123 is the issue you refer to. Good stuff

[chris moore]

I'd say go with the new official handbooks as reference - but they listed Beast as lifting 1 tonne under optimal conditions when he has repeatedly been shown to have class ten and his strength was superhuman when he first appeared and has increased several times since then as the result of various things (infectia, reversion, maturity, secondary mutation etc).

There needs to be an official, Marvel released bio site where all levels of all powers are based on the last fifteen years of real time when more scientific explanations of things came into play more (such as how cyclops body converts energy and the whole apertures in his eyes thing). How Marvel doesnt have a message board is beyond me too - if they had a Bios board with a section where readers can post about conflicting bios stats based on events in comics showing one thing and Marvel claiming another cos they havent researched enough.

[blah]

I don't see Luke Cage's forte to be his strength, it's his defence. He could take colossus' blows, but can't match them.

[ShadowBoxing]

Luke Cage is "accepted" at three tons by those who didn't read marvel team up where he tore the ladder off a fire engine and beat down a three strory brick building to keep a fire from spreading.

Luke Cage is accepted at three tons by those who didn't read the original title where he used his chain belt to pull a derailed e-train back up onto its track - it would simply be impossible to move three sections of train at 3 ton strength.

Luke Cage is accepted to be in the three ton range by those who didn't read classic Spiderman where Cage was hired by JJJ to capture Spiderman. Spiderman webbed him down ,.. a move that had held the scorpion,.. someone in Marvel Canon who was stronger than Spiderman. After Cage heard Spideys side of the story,.. he simply got up. 3 ton strength doesn't treat spideys web like tissue-paper.

Luke cage is accepted as being in the three ton range by those who rarely picked up a copy of H4H. In it cage shoved his hands through the hood of a big moving car that was trying to run him down and yanked the entire engine out. Only in a fantasy could one believe that someone had a max strength of three tons could rip out an 8 cyclinder ingine out of a movint 2 ton car, shearing the bolts that held it in place and snapping it off at the transmission like a stick of celery.

My point of course is throughout his career Cage has been doing stuff way outside of the "three ton range" but some die-hard __________________ need to believe that he is much weaker than displayed. You can't name any other hero that SO MANY people get wrong so casually as far as powers and abilities.

tsk.Well you cannot just take 1 issue and say thats it, thats everything you need to know about Luke Cage. You have to know the history and tradition. Keep in mind, 3 tons is a MASSIVE amount of weight. But I have always felt he was at least class 10, at least as of New Avengers. However this is a trend I have noticed as far back as Power Man/Iron Fist. Even then he would show feats of strength with ease

[Odin's Lapdog]

i always thought of luke cage to be inbetween spidey and scorpion strengthwise

maybe around 12 tons or so...

[ShadowBoxing]

i always thought of luke cage to be inbetween spidey and scorpion strengthwise

maybe around 12 tons or so...I'd say between 7 and 12 tons would be a good estimate

[demento]

I thought he fairly recently went through the process that made him superhuman a 2nd time and got upgraded to Class 25 as a result.

Either way, the Wrecker swatted him around like a lil biznitch in NA a few issues back and I think he's around Class 50.

[ShadowBoxing]

I thought he fairly recently went through the process that made him superhuman a 2nd time and got upgraded to Class 25 as a result.

Either way, the Wrecker swatted him around like a lil biznitch in NA a few issues back and I think he's around Class 50.Would the wrecker not be 33 tons since he is a third of Thor's power

[demento]

Would the wrecker not be 33 tons since he is a third of Thor's power
You may be right. Like I said, I'm not certain of his exact strength.

EDIT: But then again, Thor isn't Class 100 flat, he can press more than 100 tons...

[ShadowBoxing]

You may be right. Like I said, I'm not certain of his exact strength.

EDIT: But then again, Thor isn't Class 100 flat, he can press more than 100 tons...This is true...However the Wrecking Crew is a Silver Age Production...I would guess when Loki divided Thor's strength up among the three It may have been a weaker incarnation

[demento]

This is true...However the Wrecking Crew is a Silver Production...I would guess when Loki divided Thor's strength up among the three It may have been a weaker incarnation
Semantics. Wrecker pretty much destroyed Spidey, Luke, Wolverine and Spider Woman until she put the pheremone whammy on him. Based on his performance in that instance, Class 50 sounds kinda modest. Anyway, I'm still fairly certain that Luke is now Class 25.

[UK_Stu]

Well you cannot just take 1 issue and say thats it, thats everything you need to know about Luke Cage. You have to know the history and tradition. Keep in mind, 3 tons is a MASSIVE amount of weight. But I have always felt he was at least class 10, at least as of New Avengers. However this is a trend I have noticed as far back as Power Man/Iron Fist. Even then he would show feats of strength with ease

It wasn't just based on 1 issue, Varient gave at least 4 different examples of Cage's power levels, at 4 different points in time. 3 tons is massive by our standards, not by Marvel Universe standards. Cage has been under-valued in the strength category IMO

[DBM]

From what I've seen Cage is class 25-30. He was originally only at the 3 ton mark, but got an upgrade a while back that drastically increased his strength. I don't remember exactly where though since I'm not particularly a Cage fan.

[ShadowBoxing]

It wasn't just based on 1 issue, Varient gave at least 4 different examples of Cage's power levels, at 4 different points in time. 3 tons is massive by our standards, not by Marvel Universe standards. Cage has been under-valued in the strength category IMOHe gave four...most of which came from an ASM issue.

However that is here nor there...He IS undervalued. Not just in strength but as a hero in general. As a fighter he has tangled with DD, Shang Chi, Iron Fist and Spider-Man. Cage I think could take out Captain America no sweat....and I mean that. He is like the bouncer of the MU, if you step out of line Cage can beat you to the ground for it.

[Silicon Surfer]

The Wreckers strength comes from a spell known as the Norn power cast by Karnilla. It was originally intended for Loki at a time when Odin had removed his powers but was cast on the wrong person due to Karnillas haste. It divides 40 ton strength between all of its recipients usually the 4 members of the Wrecking crew, leaving each at the 10 ton level. The 3 ton level of Cages strength came from the original Marvel Handbook which was at the time the official statement of Marvel as to how strong he was.

[Varient]

www.marveldirectory.com
Sorry,.. but that is a REAL POOR SOURCE.

[ShadowBoxing]

Sorry,.. but that is a REAL POOR SOURCE.For history its very good...for vital stats its outdated

[Silicon Surfer]

The information on MarvelDirectory.com is taken from the first Handbook published by Marvel and was at the time official. It looks, however, like it has more recent material added.

[Varient]

I'd say go with the new official handbooks as reference - but they listed Beast as lifting 1 tonne under optimal conditions when he has repeatedly been shown to have class ten and his strength was superhuman when he first appeared and has increased several times since then as the result of various things (infectia, reversion, maturity, secondary mutation etc).

There needs to be an official, Marvel released bio site where all levels of all powers are based on the last fifteen years of real time when more scientific explanations of things came into play more (such as how cyclops body converts energy and the whole apertures in his eyes thing). How Marvel doesnt have a message board is beyond me too - if they had a Bios board with a section where readers can post about conflicting bios stats based on events in comics showing one thing and Marvel claiming another cos they havent researched enough.


I agree,.. there needs to be a central clearing house on feats and ability levels.

[ShadowBoxing]

The information on MarvelDirectory.com is taken from the first Handbook published by Marvel and was at the time official. It looks, however, like it has more recent material added.The guy to go to is my old online boss, Jeff Christensen (I plan to add again to his humble site one day). He writes the current bios. At the appendix rather than writing bios off of vital stats we went directly by the comic. It worked better because it made you make theories and determinations about the characters. You actually had to research your assignment. I think these (not the current one's under Jeff) handbook bios more or less shoot from the hip. Some are based on comic stated fact, some though are done without enough careful research of the true abilities that have been shown in the comics.

[Varient]

Good post, couldn't have said it better myself. ASM #123 is the issue you refer to. Good stuff
well,.. actually each incident was in a different comic run,...

Marvel team-up

Luke Cage, Hero for Hire

The Amazing Spiderman


Heroes for Hire.


I didn't even include his holding his own against Wonderman,.. Or damaging IronMans armor,... or damaging Doom enough to get him to pay his bills,...

Treating the Rhino, like a cow,..

While under the influence of a villian holding his own against the thing AND the Torch from the fantastic four.


He just gets no respect.

[Anubis]

3 tons?!? pffft thats bulls**t.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I don't see Luke Cage's forte to be his strength, it's his de

defence. He could take colossus' blows, but can't match them.

he couldnt take colossus blows without being badly injured. seriously if an explosion(i you read the pulse) there was an explosion that knocked his arse and go unconscious

[32CAGE]

well,.. actually each incident was in a different comic run,...

Marvel team-up

Luke Cage, Hero for Hire

The Amazing Spiderman


Heroes for Hire.


I didn't even include his holding his own against Wonderman,.. Or damaging IronMans armor,... or damaging Doom enough to get him to pay his bills,...

Treating the Rhino, like a cow,..

While under the influence of a villian holding his own against the thing AND the Torch from the fantastic four.


He just gets no respect.


In addition to handling Wonderman in Cage issue#8, Luke has also beaten Orka and Ironclad in issue#4 of Ostrander's Heroes for Hire. Both characters are in the 50-80 ton range. In issue#18 of Cage, Luke lifts a bulldozer and throws it at least seventy yards. Anyone who has followed this character over the years know that he has demonstrated feats of strength that have far exceeded 3 tons. In fact he has been shown to be far stronger than the 25 tons he is now reported to be capable of lifting as reported in the 2005 Marvel Knights official handbook of the marvel universe and in the Secrets of the House of M. For whatever reason, the brother just can't get his props.

[32CAGE]

It wasn't just based on 1 issue, Varient gave at least 4 different examples of Cage's power levels, at 4 different points in time. 3 tons is massive by our standards, not by Marvel Universe standards. Cage has been under-valued in the strength category IMO

I absolutely agree that Luke Cage has been under-valued in the strength category. Comparatively speaking he is on the low end for those characters, both heroes and villians alike, that are known for their strength and durability.

[wolverine8888]

Would the wrecker not be 33 tons since he is a third of Thor's power
the wrecker was up graded he now ahs god like powers. he even beat thors ass.

[32CAGE]

From what I've seen Cage is class 25-30. He was originally only at the 3 ton mark, but got an upgrade a while back that drastically increased his strength. I don't remember exactly where though since I'm not particularly a Cage fan.


He obtained an upgrade after undergoing a third time the "powerman process" that gave him his original powers. It occurred in the Cage four-part series, The Evil and the Cure found in issues 5-8.

[Red Mask]

the wrecker was up graded he now ahs god like powers. he even beat thors ass.

Originally, the Wrecker got the strength to match Thor's. But he got powered down after split that power with the Wrecking Crew.

[ShadowBoxing]

the wrecker was up graded he now ahs god like powers. he even beat thors ass.Depends if the wrecking crew is around or not...he just says he beat Thor's ass, he is kinda full of himself

[deemar325]

People! read the MarvelKnights HBOTMU it has him at 25ton class. sheesh!

[Frico]

People! read the MarvelKnights HBOTMU it has him at 25ton class. sheesh!

:up: :up:

[chris moore]

That seems appropriate as he is supposed to be a heavy hitter, but at street level kind of involvement of supermatters. Having him be another class ten like spidey wouldnt do much for his standing as he cant fly, doesnt have much in the way of agility or fighting technique, has no energy powers or mental abilities and isnt even techno savvy. Being the resident smash man is good for him. Ironman is stronger but relies on his tech (obviously) and brains. Cap is the fighter, with Logan when he's around (always at the tower in spider-man, but never in the books in avengers...), Jessica is the all around power girl (maneuverability, strength, flight, energy discharge, mental manipulation - albeit involuntarily with her pheromones); and sentry and ronin can never return as far as I'm concerned.

[Silicon Surfer]

Even with the full Norn power the Wrecker was never anywhere near Thor's strength. The original battle with Thor is the reason why the power can be redistributed by electricity. Thor tried to take the power away from him with the power of his hammer.

[The Joker™]

I've heard that he can bench a couple of tons.

www.marveldirectory.com likely has info on him.


That says Wonder Man is class 95.

I always thought he was class 100.

I mean he did this to Surfer.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/827/wonderman3sl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[ShadowBoxing]

That says Wonder Man is class 95.

I always thought he was class 100.

I mean he did this to Surfer.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/827/wonderman3sl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)He could still do that at 95 I would assume...however he is also energy, so its possible he flucuates

[DBM]

As has been stated before, the Marvel Directory site is mostly outdated. Their information is primarily taken from the Marvel Handbooks that came out in the 80s. Wonder Man got a boost in strength later on due to the changes in his ionic nature.

[Varient]

That says Wonder Man is class 95.

I always thought he was class 100.

I mean he did this to Surfer.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/827/wonderman3sl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Poor writing,...

Norrin has taken a beating by the Hulk and kept a convo going at the same time

[32CAGE]

he couldnt take colossus blows without being badly injured. seriously if an explosion(i you read the pulse) there was an explosion that knocked his arse and go unconscious


That blast almost leveled the building and he took a direct hit from it.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I belive that Luke Cage is a 2nd rate hero,before he got new exposure on New Avengers.I still doubt that he could really be a man of strength though.

[deemar325]

I belive that Luke Cage is a 2nd rate hero,before he got new exposure on New Avengers.I still doubt that he could really be a man of strength though.

What's that supposed to mean? Can you be more clear?

[War Lord]

He could still do that at 95 I would assume...however he is also energy, so its possible he flucuates

Imagine what Wonderman could do with a brick.

[blah]

I bought the New Avangers one-shot book and I was pissed! They ripped me off! I thought there would be a story, not a freaking directory!!

Anyway, There was a four-armed freak in there called "barbarus" who is said to be able to lift/press 30 tons. An in the "user notes", Cage said that Barbarus is in his strength level.

[supermarvelman]

He can lift up to 25 tons
Steel-Hard skin
Abnormally dense muscle and bone
Experienced Fighter
INT 2 Normal
STR 4 Superhuman up to 25 tons
SPE 2 Normal
DUR 5 Bulletproof
ENE 1 None
FIG 4 Experienced Fighter

[Odin's Lapdog]

what are the main differences between luke cage and collosus and why is collosus so much stronger if they powers are similar?

[Varient]

he couldnt take colossus blows without being badly injured. seriously if an explosion(i you read the pulse) there was an explosion that knocked his arse and go unconscious
SMH.

Luke cage could take what collossus could dish out because by feat,.. he was able TO FIGHT Wonderman while he was starved and weakened from freeing folk who were being forced to go thru the Powerman process without being critically injured.

In ref to the "explosion" :
It was a Energy beam of concussive force that was SUPPOSED TO KILL HIM.
It hit him and the splashback of it Broke Jessicas arm and left her beat up,.. while blowing out the side of a building.

An "Explosion" wouldn't have done more than Pissed him off.

(Chuckling @ the comic where cage smothered a Goblin Pumpkin Bomb in his hands and Spidey commenting on how fast Luke goes thru clothing.)

[Varient]

I belive that Luke Cage is a 2nd rate hero,before he got new exposure on New Avengers.I still doubt that he could really be a man of strength though.
Stop Hating just to stir up trouble.

Everyone has their favs and I feel folk should be adult enough to not bash others favs unless a thread is made specific for that.


This thread wasn't.

[Varient]

what are the main differences between luke cage and collosus and why is collosus so much stronger if they powers are similar?
?
One is a mutant,
One went thru a Process that gave him his powers,

One must change forms to be super,
The other is like that 24/7,

One is made of a techno-organic steel throughout his body,
The other has extremely strong skin, with bones, muscle, internal organs made denser and more durable than normal but he can still be hurt if enough concussive force can be brought to one point,

One is shown by feats to clear the 50 ton limit,
The other by feats should be in the high 30's but is stated to be a 25 tonner,

Peter Rasputin has 4 inches, 4 or 5 hundred pounds, 25+ tons of strength, and a costume over Luke Cage.

All Cage has over Peter is A faster healing rate, regular sex,... and a daughter.

[Anubis]

Petes still banging Kitty.

[Varient]

Petes still banging Kitty.
It's not regular sex,....

[kiuju2k]

Petes still banging Kitty.

It's not regular sex,....

For some reason i gave that a serious thought. I feel completely disturbed. You sick bastards.

Anyway the thing that bugs me is Moon knight and how he said the avenger west coast were the "B" team. I mean they had from what I remeber two power houses(iron man and wonderman) spider girl II(i believe julia carpenter) Hawkeye and others i can't remeber but, right there is a good team. I think its a much more competant team then they have now. Even though i like this team.

Yeah power man obviously has gone through a slight overhaul with the writer. Just accept that hes an avenger now. I do. I like the guy.

[deemar325]

Luke ain't gonna be getting new ass, for awhile now that he's married.

[Anubis]

Yep, sex during marriage is a myth, like unicorns and rainbows with pots of gold.

[deemar325]

^ LOL! oh..now I'm depressed.

[Anubis]

Yep, sucks to be you.

[deemar325]

Well we don't get hitch for another year give or take, so I'm gonna f--k like a rabbit til then!

[Anubis]

Didn't you and the misses just have a kid? Be careful, the last thing you need is a set of Irish twins.

[deemar325]

LOL! oh sh-t! that would be crazy, I don't think she'd be up for it again.

[32CAGE]

Yep, sex during marriage is a myth, like unicorns and rainbows with pots of gold.


Not true my friend. You just have to have the right gal.

[Anubis]

Yeah I know, just pokin fun at those who have to wake up every morning, with the same woman. Every day. For....the....rest....of....their....lives....or at least until you cheat on her with her younger and, lets face it, better looking sister. :)

[deemar325]

^ I got a good woman for real homey, she my lil' Megan Goode.

[Anubis]

Just playin.

[Silicon Surfer]

Colossus was upgraded years ago to the Class 100 category. His 70 ton strength rating was when he was a teenager.

[Varient]

Colossus was upgraded years ago to the Class 100 category. His 70 ton strength rating was when he was a teenager.
Always nice when SOME heroes can get a power upgrade and no-one comments,.. but have sumbody else COUGH CageCOUGH get put on the premier Marvel Superteam and suddenly folk come outta the woodwork whining that he shouldn't be an Avenger because his max strength is only 3 tons,....


Sheeesh!

[Varient]

Trying tofind that thread where we typed about the Black Cat and the White Rabbit being in the same book,.... I just realized "CLAWS" was IT!!!!!

[Vanguard07]

?
One is a mutant,
One went thru a Process that gave him his powers,

One must change forms to be super,
The other is like that 24/7,

One is made of a techno-organic steel throughout his body,
The other has extremely strong skin, with bones, muscle, internal organs made denser and more durable than normal but he can still be hurt if enough concussive force can be brought to one point,

One is shown by feats to clear the 50 ton limit,
The other by feats should be in the high 30's but is stated to be a 25 tonner,

Peter Rasputin has 4 inches, 4 or 5 hundred pounds, 25+ tons of strength, and a costume over Luke Cage.

All Cage has over Peter is A faster healing rate, regular sex,... and a daughter.

I was pretty sure that Luke Cage actually heals slower than normal due to his increased density. Piotr heals at a normal rate or better.

But yeah Collossus is probably out of Cage's league.
-He's in the 100 ton range now (he was in the 70 ton range when he was a teen but adulthood and constant rigorous excercise brought it up to 100 apparently) Cage is rated in the 25-30 ton range (but personally I see him in the 50 range)
-Collosus' armored form is an organic metal all the way through and is considered to be roughly the same strength as osmium where Cage's skin is titanium hard.
-Collossus in armored form doesnt need to eat drink or breathe and his body does not produce fatigue poisons so he pretty much doesnt tire.
Cage's does need to eat drink sleep and breathe.
-Collossus is skilled in judo and has significant combat experience and training (from danger room training and just being an x-man)
Cage is an experienced fighter but hasnt had any formal training i dont think.
-Collossus is a longstanding member of the X-men and a former member of Excalibur and the Acoloytes.
Cage is a former member of heroes for hire and (possibly former) member of the Avengers, Half of whom he's currently at war with.
-Cage has a wife and daughter.
Collossus has a girlfriend (Kitty) and a son he probably doesnt know about. (who also may or may not be dead... anyone know what happened to that little dude? In case you guys dont know what i'm talking about he knocked up a savage land native some years back... long before his death. Later he saw her again and she had a son who was obviously Piotr's but he didnt realize... As far as i know the child has never been mentioned since.

So in the relationship department Cage wins but thats it. Everywhere else he's outmatched. Cage is still a cool character though.

[Fading]

One thing I've been wondering since we're on the Colosus comparison to Cage thing is, just how durable is cage? Colossus is listed as above Thor, and below Hulk in durability. Is Cage at Colossus's lvl, or around Thor's, or a bit less?

I do think tho Cage is underrated. I'll admit I haven't read as much on him as I didn't even know who he was until I got in comics enough to get back issues, and even then didn't care enough to read. After new Avengers I realized he was a good char, and started reading back on him and got a few older issues of the net, so still kinda playing catch up on him.

[Colossal Spoons]

Cage is definately below Colossus in durability.

[Varient]

Eh,.. the last three stat listings say that he heals from injury in a third of the time for an average human,... so,.. if it takes you a month to heal from an injury,.. cage does it in ten days.

A carry over from the supersoldier portions of his testing that gave him his powers no doubt.

[chris moore]

It also says that he used to be the same level as Spidey, but subsequent appearances have him greatly augmented. Kinda sucks that super strength keeps on going up and up leaving spidey behind. But I guess if you're only abilities are to punch and take hits, then you kinda need high levels.

[Crowforge]

yeah, spiderman never pulls new powers out of his ass.../sarc

[Marc]

Depends on whether Bendis has an erection at the time.

[yahman]

According to the most RECENT Civil War handbook, and the Avengers handbook (that came out a year ago), Luke Cage is listed as a Level 5 character and can bench press approximately 25 tons. I think during his stint during the Marvel Knights period he was updated to Class 75, but his skin was referred to as 'Diamond' hard which he isn't. IMO, he’s hardly what you call a 'Powerhouse', and i seriously think his membership on the current Avengers team needs to be revaluated. Being the 'Black Badass' of the team shouldn't really justify his membership . Colossus is listed as a level 6 character, and was stated in the House of M hand book to be able to lift 85 tons (Of course its arguable about whether or not the House of M handbook, is an official source). The same handbook stated Namor to be able to lift 100 tons, and the most recent C.W., stated the same about She Hulk. Marvel seemed to have nearly completely abandoned the traditional 'Class' system, preferring a less precise Level system. The level 6, which was traditionally associated with below 100 ton characters, now includes characters who have officially lifted WAY over a 100 tons. For, example Ultimate Colossus was stated as Level 6, while it was noted that he could lift thousands of tons with extreme effort. Other characters associated with the New Level 6 :

The Thing, Wonderman, Hyperion (Squadron Sinister), Drax the Destroyer (New Incarnation), Iron man, Colossus e.t.c

In other words, most of the characters who where believed to be UNABLE to lift 100 tons, probably can.

[Crowforge]

I read somewhere that batman doesn't even have super powers! Who cares if he's repetedly risked his life to save innocents, the b**** is light weight!

[ShadowBoxing]

This is how strong Luke Cage is:cwink:
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/3619/mjcagsh3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/)
Poor Petey...so this is how Quesada will f-up their marriage.

[Red]

I wish Joe Q would want Jessica Jones dead.

[ShadowBoxing]

I wish Joe Q would want Jessica Jones dead.But Bendis said she was the bestest character ever.:whatever:

[Varient]

This is how strong Luke Cage is:cwink:
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/3619/mjcagsh3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/)
Poor Petey...so this is how Quesada will f-up their marriage.
damn,.... u ain't rite,............

[Varient]

This is how strong Luke Cage is:cwink:
Poor Petey...so this is how Quesada will f-up their marriage.
damn,.... u ain't rite,............double post,.. sorry
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