Who would like to see Doc Ock return in Spidey 3? [Archive]

HughJackFan420

01-25-2006, 03:10 PM

I think this thread was deleted but anyways.

Willem Dafoe caught me off guard in the second movie because I wasn't paying attetntion to the starting credits. i was looking more at the pictures. but i'm anticipating to see Alfred Molina in the opening credits. but we'll see what happens

ben_reilly_s_s

01-25-2006, 05:43 PM

I was watchin the credits, an i didnt see his name, but i had heard that he would be in the 2nd one, and when i saw him, i was very surprised that he was there.
I don think that Doc Ock should be in #3. Plus i don see any reason for him to cameo, unless it is in a new report or something. But i do want to see Carolyn Trainer in a future film - we dont know the actuall timeframe of the 2nd movie, so he could have found her between the time his wife died, and before he died.

Mr. Dumb@$$

01-26-2006, 03:14 AM

i sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo wanna see him again

The Villain

01-26-2006, 08:18 AM

It would be nice to see Ock again but perhaps say for a Sinister Six movie or a team up with Mysterio

I want to see Mysterio introduced big time and if he has to be in a movie with another villain than I hope it would be either Lizard or Doc Ock.

Mysterio is a complex character to bring to life but so was Ock and I believe that Sam Raimi would do him justice and perhaps create another great movie villain similar to Ock.

I know that some will agree with me and some won't.

:eek:

Matt Murdock

01-28-2006, 06:38 PM

Wait wait wait, hold up now....as i recall doc ock died at the end of sm2....which is so totally lame because even before he died, he went all soft and said that intelligence was cool, blah, blah, blah

Dafoe wasnt in the credits cause he wasnt a main character in the movie, hes an onset of harry's total and unpresidented loopy-ness.

i hate where the spiderman movies are going

P. Griffin

01-29-2006, 12:03 AM

Ock would be compelling to see in SM 3. But a cameo only, set up for SM4...Sinister 6. :up:

Joker!

01-29-2006, 12:06 AM

I'd love to see Ock back.

Alfred Molina was awesome :up:

gliderpilotgirl

01-29-2006, 03:26 AM

Doc Ock is awesome..it would be pretty cool

Mr. Dumb@$$

01-29-2006, 03:29 AM

We Want Sinister 6!!!

The Shredder

01-29-2006, 03:55 AM

I kinda want to see Ock back in Spidey 3, but thats only because he's one of my favourite Spider-Man villians. I think it would be cool if he's simply mentioned a few times here and there, and then maybe brought back for a brief cameo in Spider-Man 4.

Whenever The Sinister Six debuts, thats when Ock should make his return.

ben_reilly_s_s

01-29-2006, 08:12 AM

if they do a sinister 6, they should use Carolyn Trainer, not Otto.

ben_reilly_s_s

01-29-2006, 08:13 AM

soz, cloned post

Demogoblin

01-29-2006, 12:12 PM

Ock would be compelling to see in SM 3. But a cameo only, set up for SM4...Sinister 6. :up:

Exactly. I would want to see him make an offer to Sandman at the end of the movie, when Sandy is in prison. Something like:A voice in the darkness says to Flint: "A man of your talents shouldnt be locked up in here, Mr Marko. I have an offer to give you, one that will make you rich, give you your freedom and gelp you get your revenge on the arachnid. Just do as I ask, and dont ask questions. Do we have a deal?" Then a metal tentacle comes on screen and shakes hands with Sandman.

P. Griffin

01-29-2006, 12:26 PM

ooohhh that's good.

<gets chill>

Symbiotica

01-29-2006, 01:53 PM

At this point I can say that the possibility of a cameo by Octavius is the sole thing holding my interest in the film. I'm not much liking what I am seeing so far.

I would absolutely not mind at all a scene where we see Sandman being thrown into a cell at the end of the movie, he looks up and who might happen to be across the corridor but Octavius with that sarcastic grin of his, last seen as he hijacks MJ out of the Cafe du Car: end movie right there. Now that, I would enjoy seeing. And it would give me a reason to want to see Sandman, but I digress.

ben_reilly_s_s

01-29-2006, 02:09 PM

um, did we all see the same movie?
in the 1 I saw Doc Ock died!
Did i see the wrong one?
if not, than what the hell r u all talkin about sein him in the next 1 for?

Matt Murdock

01-29-2006, 03:14 PM

HE IS DEAD

honestly...movies cant bring back characters that we saw die

Symbiotica

01-29-2006, 03:22 PM

Um, have you people ever read the comics? Octavius has survived far worse than sinking to the bottom of a river. In fact, he's done it more than once.

Raimi and Arvad have both said that Ock is not actually dead; and besides, even if he were, this is a comics-related project. No one stays dead longer than five minutes in comics... in fact, Ock has even been through THAT himself.

This "death" of Octavius in the film has been debated many, many times and anyone thinking what we saw means he is irrevocably "dead" needs to buy a clue.

"Never count a human dead until you have seen his body. And even then, do not be too sure." - Bene Gesserit saying

Joker

01-29-2006, 04:04 PM

um, did we all see the same movie?
in the 1 I saw Doc Ock died!
Did i see the wrong one?
if not, than what the hell r u all talkin about sein him in the next 1 for?

Did you also read ASM#122 where Green Goblin "died"???

Ock has been presumed dead several times in the comics including being thought to have been blown up,and drowning in his Master Planner lair.

Not to mention Sam Raimi said Ock is not dead.Also he was never declared dead in SM-2.

It still surprises me that some people here are so surprised by the fact that Marvel villains come back from 'death'.Read the comics people.Villains resurface from 'death' all the time.

The Shredder

01-29-2006, 05:11 PM

It still surprises me that some people here are so surprised by the fact that Marvel villains come back from 'death'.Read the comics people.Villains resurface from 'death' all the time.

Well said.

Death in comics is hardly permanent. It's more of a temporary thing than anything else.

I believe Doc Ock at one time even had a link in his sig that had the interview where Raimi states that Ock isnt really dead. Atleast thats where I think I first read it...

ben_reilly_s_s

01-30-2006, 04:03 PM

Yes, but this isnt the comics, its the MOVIES, there is far less time and story to do things the same way as the comics

The Shredder

01-30-2006, 06:47 PM

All the film needs is Ock explaining how he really did not drown. Thats it, on with the rest of the film. This can be done fairly quick. Ock's return doesnt have to be played out for an extended period of time...

CandyBarr1993

01-30-2006, 08:24 PM

I dont think he should return... he had his time... its over now! I think the story line should focus mainly on ( Villian wise ) Harry, "avenging " his father and sandman. and also I heard he was gonna get his BLACK SUIT in the 3rd one... it not made like the origional at all! its basically changed it to full black with white web and spiders... along with eyes! it looks much better than the comic... what do yall think??:spidey:

Mike

01-31-2006, 01:35 AM

Doc Ock should stay dead, he had his time.

chemical_echo

01-31-2006, 10:43 AM

Um, have you people ever read the comics? Octavius has survived far worse than sinking to the bottom of a river
Yes, but being right next to a nuclear fission explosion is almost surely likely to leave you dead.

Bringing Doc Ock back would confuse too many people. And besides, why would he have to be pronounced dead? It's pretty obvious that he died.

Demogoblin

01-31-2006, 06:49 PM

Yes, but being right next to a nuclear fission explosion is almost surely likely to leave you dead.

Bringing Doc Ock back would confuse too many people. And besides, why would he have to be pronounced dead? It's pretty obvious that he died.

Except that he didnt. Sam Raimi himself pointed out that Ock didnt die, he disappeared. Doc Ock had a link to him saying that. Ask him about it.

HourManRocks

01-31-2006, 07:23 PM

ben_reilly_s_s

02-01-2006, 03:37 PM

No, it need to focus on the Most unsung hero of all time:

Harry Osborn!!!!

Matt Murdock

02-02-2006, 09:54 PM

doc ock probably isnt dead. Many characters come back from the dead in marvel comics, especially spiderman. Norman osborn, doc ock, gwen stacy, aunt may, and more characters "come back to life" in the comics. If theyre gonna put doc ock in a nother Spidey movie, make it the last one. they should have a teamup of villains (sinister 6??) in the last film. this film needs to focus on new villains.

what are you talking about...none of your contentions make sense.

1. Norman osborn -- obviously he can come back to life, hes evolved himself using a chemical formula.

2. doc ock -- when did he come back to life? As i recall, he was killed by kaine and carolyn trainer took the technology from his mechanical arms...

3. Gwen Stacy -- Gwen stacy died; possibly even by spider-man's hand. The Gwen that came back to life was, in fact, a clone created by Miles Warren (aka the jackal) to obtain a sample of peter parker's DNA, so she never technically came back to life, she was 're-created'.

4. Aunt May -- Never died, it was a plot twist.

Norman osborn...thats the only character you listed, and aside for genetically altered villains such as sandman and hydroman, i cant think of many others.:eek:

Mr. Socko

02-02-2006, 09:58 PM

Ock isn't dead says Stan Lee. He'll probably be back but not in #3.

Mr. Socko

02-02-2006, 10:00 PM

In one of the Amazing Spiderman comics, Gwen Stacy's children try to avenge the death of their mother and kill Peter.

It was something like Amazing Spiderman: Sins Past, or Sins of the Father

Matt Murdock

02-02-2006, 10:07 PM

Stan Lee has about as much imput into the making of the movies' plots as an actor does.

An executive producer of a motion picture is typically a producer who is not necessarily involved in any creative or technical aspects of production. They generally handle business issues, and may be a financier of a movie. Some executive producers act as representatives of the studio or production company (www.wikipedia.com)

hence, stan lee's involvement is limited. Though he made the stories originally, he really has no creative say in their transition to film. Which totally sucks since he's the best writer that comic books ever saw.

Also, as far as doctor octopus' return to the big screen is concerned.

In the movies, Doc Ock = Dead.

now, even if he WASNT DEAD, even though we saw him DROWN, and his little tentacle lights go out... he also regained he sanity in the end of sm2, so what fun would he be as a villain anyway?

pooor doc ock.

rest in peace

scum bag.

Joker

02-03-2006, 11:52 AM

2. doc ock -- when did he come back to life? As i recall, he was killed by kaine and carolyn trainer took the technology from his mechanical arms...

Wow,when was the last time you read a Spider-Man comic???

Doc Ock was ressurrected 8 years ago in ASM#427.He wasn't even dead a full two years before they brought him back.The fans missed him terribly and wanted the real thing back.Not a female pretender.

Btw Sam Raimi said Ock isn't dead.So that's good enough for me :)

fangrl06

02-03-2006, 09:50 PM

Matt Murdock

02-03-2006, 10:34 PM

Wow,when was the last time you read a Spider-Man comic???

Doc Ock was ressurrected 8 years ago in ASM#427.He wasn't even dead a full two years before they brought him back.The fans missed him terribly and wanted the real thing back.Not a female pretender.

Btw Sam Raimi said Ock isn't dead.So that's good enough for me :)

see, i edged away from the original marvel universe, and i read the ultimate spiderman comic series now, for that exact reason actaully. My retailer only carried certain issues and books, and i couldnt get to all of them, so it all got wicked confusing when i could get my hands on them!

i know sam said he wasnt dead, but i dont understand how he couldnt be if we saw him die...i guess its like you cant really untoll a bell

HughJackFan420

02-17-2006, 12:32 PM

No more ock, they have enough major villians in this film as it is. If you ask me, one is enough. Two is pushing it, but sam can pull it off. Any more than that, and the same thing will happen to Spider-man 3 that happened to Batman & Robin.

how dare u even think Spiderman would go the Batman & Robin

your comment is great....for me to poop on

they can bring back Doc Ock. good example of succesful movies bringing back villains....Voldemore in Harry Potter.

SINISTER 6 IT WILL HAPPEN DAMN IT

(at least i hope)

Chris Wallace

02-17-2006, 01:57 PM

Doctor Octopus

02-17-2006, 01:58 PM

Yeah Molina said he's not in SM-3.But he may be in SM-4 :)

Matt Murdock

02-17-2006, 05:15 PM

how dare u even think Spiderman would go the Batman & Robin

your comment is great....for me to poop on

they can bring back Doc Ock. good example of succesful movies bringing back villains....Voldemore in Harry Potter.

SINISTER 6 IT WILL HAPPEN DAMN IT

(at least i hope)

I think the sinister 6 would be considered as one villain though since theyre one large unit of villains. Good idea though:up: :)

HughJackFan420

02-20-2006, 05:15 PM

/\yeah i mean so far with the stories we have it can possibly lead to a great finale for Spiderman 6 which should respectively be used for the Sinister 6. some villains can die some can stay i don't know. but watching Spiderman 3 we will know something as far as there being a future for the Sinister 6

fangrl06

03-08-2006, 07:04 PM

your comment is great....for me to poop on
SINISTER 6 IT WILL HAPPEN DAMN IT

(at least i hope)

wow. they should not let kids under 11 on this wedsite.

fangrl06

03-08-2006, 07:05 PM

J/K web

bunglefreak

03-08-2006, 07:28 PM

You know it's funny, when my parents saw Spider-man 2 in theaters, they told me when they saw Doc Ock drown, whatever, they thought he didn't die. I told them that Alfred Molina was asked to come back in the future. They obviously saw something we didn't.

Arcturus

03-08-2006, 10:31 PM

No, in my honest opinion I do not want to see Ock return. Not when we have awsome villains like the stiltman and the hypno hustler to make there debut on the big screen.

ElectroFlare

03-10-2006, 10:19 AM

I'd like to see that scene with Ock in Sandman's cell...but explain to me why law enforcement would put two super-powered individuals in one cell together?

Matt Murdock

03-21-2006, 04:26 PM

I'd like to see that scene with Ock in Sandman's cell...but explain to me why law enforcement would put two super-powered individuals in one cell together?

they wouldnt

cause doc ock is dead.

ElectroFlare

03-21-2006, 07:55 PM

...
cause doc ock is dead.

Maybe;)

Joker

03-21-2006, 08:20 PM

They already said he's not dead.Both Arad and Raimi said it.

Take it up with them if anyone doesn't like it.So until they say otherwise,Ock is alive.

Matt Murdock

03-21-2006, 08:22 PM

i just dont understand how he can be, thats all. We saw him die, or were we meant to think we thought we think he dies?

that didnt make sense, but i guess anything is possible

Kmack

03-21-2006, 09:39 PM

His appearance would kinda be unnecessary, there seems to already be a crowd of villains in the film and Doc's character is supposedly dead. Spidey has a lot more cool villains to go through, there's no need recycling any, afterall Doc Ock completely owned the second film. What more can we ask for?:cool::up:

Timalay

03-26-2006, 08:40 AM

I think i should be someone else carrying on Doc Ock's work. Like a total different person.

Matt Murdock

03-27-2006, 04:12 PM

...?

HughJackFan420

04-12-2006, 03:48 PM

well I'm with everyone who wants to see the return of Doc Ock for the sake of Sinister 6

and no he didn't die in the 3rd one...Alfred Molina was offered to return and in fact signed up to return. Yet they don't know whether or not their gonna come through with it. Still like (i forgot his name) someone said in an artcile in the Marvel Universe characters don't die they just disappear mostly.

Mr. Socko

04-12-2006, 07:15 PM

Doc Ock isn't dead. Stan Lee has hinted at this many times. I'd love to see him return, but not in the 3rd movie.

CandyBarr1993

04-12-2006, 08:55 PM

Dock Ock IS DEAD DAMMIT!!!! I WANT HIM DEAD KEEP HIM DEAD !!!!!!
THERE ARE MANY MORE VILLIANS TO CHOOSE FROM DONT YOU REALIZE!!!:ghost::bomb::venom:

Norman Osborn

04-12-2006, 10:13 PM

Yes, but being right next to a nuclear fission explosion is almost surely likely to leave you dead.

I would have thought being hit by and buried under 10,000,000 +++ pound force of water would kill you as well....have you seen the X-3 Trailer?....

nothing in life is certain but tax and death, nothing in marvel is certain period!

HughJackFan420

04-13-2006, 03:33 PM

wow. they should not let kids under 11 on this wedsite.

::throws up middle finger::

i'm this many...

HughJackFan420

04-13-2006, 03:34 PM

Dock Ock IS DEAD DAMMIT!!!! I WANT HIM DEAD KEEP HIM DEAD !!!!!!
THERE ARE MANY MORE VILLIANS TO CHOOSE FROM DONT YOU REALIZE!!!:ghost::bomb::venom:

true there are more villains but why the hell would u want Doc Ock dead when wanting more villains would mean the Sinister 6 and who's part of the Sinister 6??? thats right...DOC OCK

Matt Murdock

04-13-2006, 04:24 PM

lol i like doc ock but we saw him die

or maybe we were meant to think we saw him die

hell i dunno anymore.

HughJackFan420

04-13-2006, 10:22 PM

well all i can say is i didn't see him strugglge drowning or anything. and like someone else mentioned in the comics Doc Ock has suffered a lot worse. i think in the upcoming sequels the FBI or whatever should go make sure Doc Ock is dead. recover him and take him back to a lab or a prison or a mixture of both and have a super villain or villians spring him out

trustyside-kick

04-22-2006, 01:41 AM

I do not want to see Doc Ock return in Spider-Man 3. Aren't they only signed for 3 movies? I would rather see as many villains as you could without going overboard instead of showing ones we have seen already. That is why I do not want to see Harry Osborn become Green Goblin in the 3rd movie. But my brother said something about possibly Hob Goblin in the 3rd...

CandyBarr1993

04-23-2006, 11:00 PM

HEY! How about this!!! WAIT UNTIL SPIDEY THREEE AND SHUT UP!!! I CONCLUDE MY CONTRIBUTION TO HIS THREAD WITH A NICE " WAIT DAMMIT !:ghost::daredevil:hyper::bomb::joker::venom::ff:: hulk:"

Mr. Socko

04-23-2006, 11:18 PM

Spider-Man 6 should be about the Sinister 6. But 6 villians would be kind of an overload.

jusblaze21

04-23-2006, 11:36 PM

I would'nt mind seeing him along as he was like in the fifth or sixth movie and he was'nt the main Villian.

HughJackFan420

04-24-2006, 03:56 PM

i agree Just Blaze...

maybe with the title to this thread i was hoping that he would at least return in the 3rd one as a cliffhanger or something.

Doctor Octopus

04-24-2006, 03:57 PM

Sinister Six.Bring him back to lead the Six :up:

Rabid_Rust

04-24-2006, 05:30 PM

Doc Ock is dead. Get over it.

Joker

04-24-2006, 05:32 PM

Doc Ock is dead. Get over it.

Not according to Sam Raimi and Avi Arad.

So get over that :)

Rabid_Rust

04-24-2006, 05:57 PM

Not according to Sam Raimi and Avi Arad.

So get over that :)

:( Did they actually say that he's still alive and kicking?
I really don't want to see him come back in another movie, mostly because he has no reason to come back. I mean, if he did come back and lead the "Sinister Six!" like you guys want him to, why would he do it? He died as a good guy, in a way. Remeber that conversation between him and spidey, where he finally got control of the tentacles? I wouldn't want to see him pull himself out of the river, and say something like "The real crime would be me not joining a team of super-villains, and teaming up against spider-man, who I don't hate, or hold any grudge against."

TheNewGuy

04-24-2006, 06:05 PM

:( Did they actually say that he's still alive and kicking?
I really don't want to see him come back in another movie, mostly because he has no reason to come back. I mean, if he did come back and lead the "Sinister Six!" like you guys want him to, why would he do it? He died as a good guy, in a way. Remeber that conversation between him and spidey, where he finally got control of the tentacles? I wouldn't want to see him pull himself out of the river, and say something like "The real crime would be me not joining a team of super-villains, and teaming up against spider-man, who I don't hate, or hold any grudge against."

Ha. That's kind of a good point. I'm sure there are ways around that though.

Doc Ock is my favorite Spider-Man villain, so I would have no objections to him returning for another movie. However, I don't see it happening. There are so many other villains to choose from, and they don't want to repeat theirselves.

HughJackFan420

04-24-2006, 11:01 PM

:( Did they actually say that he's still alive and kicking?
I really don't want to see him come back in another movie, mostly because he has no reason to come back. I mean, if he did come back and lead the "Sinister Six!" like you guys want him to, why would he do it? He died as a good guy, in a way. Remeber that conversation between him and spidey, where he finally got control of the tentacles? I wouldn't want to see him pull himself out of the river, and say something like "The real crime would be me not joining a team of super-villains, and teaming up against spider-man, who I don't hate, or hold any grudge against."

he has no grudge?? wtf??
i'm sure maybe Green Goblin 2 Harry Osborn could remind him of his wife Rose who got killed by Spiderman or how Spidey ruined his creations twice. or maybe its just hard for him to live the way he does cuz of Spiderman if he is to return. its all Spiderman's fault Doc Ock is where he is if u realize it. maybe the tentacles finally take control of Doc Ock to the point where he becomes...i don't know sinister...for a chance to return and lead the Sinister 6

Matt Murdock

04-24-2006, 11:57 PM

how bout the fact that octavius realized that those events werent spider-man's fault at the end of sm2?

and how is it 'all spiderman's fault doc ock is where he is if u realize it.'?

doc ock is where he is because he screwed up and he figured it out at the end of the movie.

TheNewGuy

04-25-2006, 11:44 AM

Grudge or no grudge. The fact is, this is Hollywood we're talkin about. Not only that, it's a comic book movie franchise. If they really want to bring Doc Ock back, they'll be able to.

Don Corleone

04-25-2006, 02:32 PM

HughJackFan420

04-25-2006, 03:25 PM

bringing ock back too early on (if he is indeed still alive/survived) could be a mistake. if you want to see him in the sinister six, you'd have to wait for at least another movie to set up the other characters, and i personally wouldn't want to see that. it works in comics because you have a certain continuity, and longevity that you cannot duplicate in a movie franchise without doing a joel schumaker (or however you spell it).

i agree Spidey 3 will be too early...

however Doc Ock didn't screw up everytime the expirements or whatever went wrong its cuz Spidey interfered. and he is the reason why Rosie died. if Ock had his concentration on the machine he would be ok but no Spidey interfered and i think he made Doc Ock.

Matt Murdock

04-26-2006, 12:01 AM

no it isnt because spiderman interfeered for gods sake

spiderman had to intervene because octavius messed up with his calculations and was driven by ambition and not what was scientificly correct.

proove that it was spider-mans fault.

HughJackFan420

04-26-2006, 07:08 PM

ok the first time wasn't spidey's fault but the second time i think something hit the machine or something there was some kind of interference from Spidey. i need to watch it again. but if octavius wants fighting spidey the first time Rosie wouldn't have died.

HughJackFan420

04-26-2006, 07:08 PM

either way Spiderman volunteered to stop the machine and Doc Ock did it instead so...i guess it would be up to the producers and screen writers to figure out how to bring him back and why...i think the biggest reason is the Sinister 6

Joker

04-26-2006, 10:14 PM

Norman Osborn

04-26-2006, 10:16 PM

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,089.jpg

That cover's da bomb......

HughJackFan420

05-03-2006, 10:04 PM

If you all watch the Ockumentary on the SM-2 DVD,they show these comics at the end:

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,089.jpg
http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,011.jpg

You'd almost think they were hinting at something.....;)

i'm not thinking i'm KNOWING that they are hinting something....if the people who are working on the Spiderman films are smart they will do what the X Men people did and read or go undercover to fan sites (like this one) and find out what fans want. and i think what the fans want is the Sinister 6 which involves the return of Doc Ock. besides the SHH Doc Ock made a good point. i mean couldn't they have used other Doc Ock in Spidey comics for examples???