The Official Thread For: Harry Potter & The Order Of The Phoenix

[PirateLord89]

anyone know why hermione's hair gets better w/ each film...anyone remeber what it looked like in the 1st one?...
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and now...
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[Gonking]

because she is not 11 anymore?

[mclay18]

Why do you hate that pic of the sextet? Because they're not wearing school robes or just the way Neville is dressed?

Anyway, gorgeous new pics. But that pic of Harry sitting in the chair during the Ministry of Magic trial just strikes me as very funny -- probably because of the expression on Harry's face. But I wanted a high-res version of Bellatrix and/or Voldemort too, darn it! I really wanted to see a pic of Voldemort in a Muggle suit... or a group pic where Voldemort is coming up behind Harry, who has his wand drawn at Bellatrix (who's lying on the floor) -- because that scene was being shot in that HBO behind-the-scenes special and seeing a better version of it would've been cool.

And we've seen too much of Umbridge -- I want more pics of the staff, like Trelawney, Snape and McGonagall.

[Gonking]

Why do you hate that pic of the sextet? Because they're not wearing school robes or just the way Neville is dressed?



too many colours. I would've preferred a combination of darker colours and, specially, more black.

[Matt]

Why do you hate that pic of the sextet? Because they're not wearing school robes or just the way Neville is dressed?

Anyway, gorgeous new pics. But that pic of Harry sitting in the chair during the Ministry of Magic trial just strikes me as very funny -- probably because of the expression on Harry's face. But I wanted a high-res version of Bellatrix and/or Voldemort too, darn it! I really wanted to see a pic of Voldemort in a Muggle suit... or a group pic where Voldemort is coming up behind Harry, who has his wand drawn at Bellatrix (who's lying on the floor) -- because that scene was being shot in that HBO behind-the-scenes special and seeing a better version of it would've been cool.

And we've seen too much of Umbridge -- I want more pics of the staff, like Trelawney, Snape and McGonagall.


Neville is dressed oddly. What kind of 15 year old wears a sweater vest :huh: :cwink:

Though robess would be nice. Why do these kids never wear their school uniforms anymore? Plus, of the six, there are two with exposure to the Muggle world, so why do they all dress like it?

[Matt]

double post.

[Matt]

who said she was ugly?

I didn't call her ugly, I said she wasn't attractive in the most popular girl in school sense and I stand by that. She has the cuteness of a child, nothing more.

[Matt]

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What scene is that? Are they in Kings Cross? Why is Sirius in human form?


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Gotta love the way all the wizards are wearing robes and yet Harry is dressed in a slick blazer :cwink:


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Did they add Ron to the Grawp scene?


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Is that the same actress? If so she got ten times more attractive.


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Has there been better casting throughout this franchise? My only regret is that Issacs couldn't play Voldemort as well...not because Fiennes is bad, but because Issacs is so damn good.

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't call her ugly, I said she wasn't attractive in the most popular girl in school sense and I stand by that. She has the cuteness of a child, nothing more.

Whether it's my age but i have to agree,she is like a sweet kid sister type but far from hot or sexy to me



Is that the same actress? If so she got ten times more attractive.

That's all be ruined once she opens her mouth:csad:

[Speedball]

Poor Harry has receding hairline. He'll be balding in the seventh film.

[I_Hate_U_All]

who said she was ugly?

the internet. Pay it no mind.

[Matt]

That's all be ruined once she opens her mouth:csad:

How do you mean? I can't remember her that much from the fourth movie which I've only seen twice.

[Dr. Fate]

anyone know why hermione's hair gets better w/ each film...anyone remeber what it looked like in the 1st one?...
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/harry_potter_and_the_sorcerer_s_stone/emma_watson/harry2.jpg

and now...
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5120/orderofthephoenix31re8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Because the actress is not in touch with what her character is meant to be.

[mclay18]

What scene is that? Are they in Kings Cross? Why is Sirius in human form?

Gotta love the way all the wizards are wearing robes and yet Harry is dressed in a slick blazer :cwink:

Did they add Ron to the Grawp scene?

Is that the same actress? If so she got ten times more attractive.

Has there been better casting throughout this franchise? My only regret is that Issacs couldn't play Voldemort as well...not because Fiennes is bad, but because Issacs is so damn good.

That scene is definitely at King's Cross. I think Michael Goldenberg added that scene in to solidify Harry and Sirius's relationship more in the film, although I'm pretty sure a couple of members from the Order are guarding the door so that any other wizards wouldn't see Sirius talking with Harry. Although I'm curious as to why that scene takes place directly before Harry goes back to Hogwarts, when they couldn't put it in while they're at Grimmauld Place.

Harry had to dress nicely for the hearing and he also had to wear Muggle clothes as to get around without attracting the Muggles' attention.

Yes, they added Ron into the introduction with Grawp. Since there's no Quidditch nor the "Weasley is our King" subplot, it seems natural to add him there in the film -- maybe add in some bonding scenes with Hermione while they're teaching Grawp to talk.

Yes, that is Katie Leung from GOF. Although she looks the same to me, only that her hair is just done differently (not to mention a bit more glossier) and her makeup looks a bit lighter. And I just don't see Jason Issacs as Voldemort -- he has that stuffy air of contempt and bias that makes him perfect for Lucius, but not for Voldemort. Ralph Fiennes just has that air of menace and theatricality that makes him perfect for Voldemort, you can see shades of Amon Goeth and Francis Dolarhyde in his performance. Can't wait to see how he'll interact with Bonham-Carter in OOTP...

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Ginny's aged well. I'm not worried at all, I think visually she now suits the role.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

And about the Hermione isn't nerdy enough issue.

*coughsexsellscough*

[Hunter Rider]

How do you mean? I can't remember her that much from the fourth movie which I've only seen twice.

Well she appeared in the last one looking like a pretty Asian girl and then opened her mouth and sounded like Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard which kind of killed the moment for me

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

yeah her voice is a bit blech

[Gonking]

Because the actress is not in touch with what her character is meant to be.

that decisions are not taken by the actors. You should know this already.

[Matt]

Well she appeared in the last one looking like a pretty Asian girl and then opened her mouth and sounded like Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard which kind of killed the moment for me

Yeah, I rewatched last night. Her accent is a bit much.

[Matt]

that decisions are not taken by the actors. You should know this already.

Thats not true. Actors have a **** load of decision in not only their character's persona (yes, they are often consulted about the script and what they feel fits their character) but especially looks.

[Gonking]

But who cars about the hair? that's not even a little important to the story. Emma Watson is portraying a very intelligent student, the most intelligent of Howarts, and she is doing it great. She CAN'T change the script, she is not Jack Nicholson or Al Pacino, for god's sake.

[Matt]

But who cars about the hair? that's not even a little important to the story. Emma Watson is portraying a very intelligent student, the most intelligent of Howarts, and she is doing it great. She CAN'T change the script, she is not Jack Nicholson or Al Pacino, for god's sake.

At this point, she damn well could change the script. Hell, after Chamber of Secrets when it became apparent that this was their flagship, any of the trio could've changed the scripts as WB would've changed the course of rivers to keep them for all 7 movies.

As for her hair, it is a subtle detail that IS important to the character. Hermione is NOT a teenage sex-pot. Hermione does not care if she is attractive. She is as you said, an intelligent student who pays little focus to things such as her hair, make up, etc.

[LEX]

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Harry is the center of the action here, abetted by a core group of fellow Hogwarts students desperate to steal a crucial vial containing a prophecy about Harry before Lord Voldemort's hench-stooges can steal it first. But the grown-ups are all angling to make the most of their limited screen time. Today is Helena Bonham Carter's first day playing the evil witch Bellatrix Lestrange, Sirius' warped cousin as well as his mortal enemy. Her costume may be entirely black, but she's counting on her pushed-up bustline to help her stand out. ''It's not a huge part,'' she says, her elocution remarkably clear despite a mouth full of fake teeth. ''So I thought I could have lots of breast, if not lots of lines.''

Meantime, a blond-wigged Isaacs, who jokes that he got his flowing tresses ''on a time-share with Paris Hilton,'' keeps drawing out his shots with extra bits of dialogue and dastardly eyebrow flexing. He wonders how much of it will survive the editing room. ''All of us adult actors come in for two or three weeks,'' he says of the huge Potter guest-star roster. ''We all want to make the most of all our moments. But then you'd have a Harry Potter film that lasts 15 hours.''

The main plot is intact, as Harry becomes a resistance fighter against the repressive Ministry of Magic. But all that stuff about Ron Weasley becoming a Quidditch king? Cut. Mrs. Weasley's pestilent boggart? Nixed. Dobby the house elf? Poof — gone. Young wizard Neville Longbottom's poor, mad parents in St. Mungo's hospital? Snipped. If you ask Radcliffe, these details aren't crucial. ''This is one where the fans will be especially pleased,'' the actor says. ''It's chock-full of stuff.'' (Despite that density, the producers say Phoenix will run under two and a half hours and be the shortest film so far.) And for those who hate abridged scenarios? ''The book is there if you want to read the book,'' Radcliffe says. ''People should be able to let that go.'' But Rupert Grint sounds a little bummed that Ron is more than ever a peripheral figure. ''I was quite looking forward to the Quidditch stuff,'' he says. ''Maybe next year.''

The mantle on this $200 million production fell to British TV director David Yates after passes from Mike Newell, who directed the last Potter film, and Mira Nair (Monsoon Wedding), who decided to shoot The Namesake instead. Yates won acclaim for the political-thriller miniseries State of Play and for his two-part 2004 telefilm Sex Traffic, about young Eastern European women sold into enforced prostitution — an odd segue to the magical world of Potter. ''I thought it was a curious fit at first,'' Yates agrees. '' they want directors who come from not an obvious background...instead of the same old usual suspects who've made a ton of big films before.'' Yates seems to have clicked with his cast. ''He's very quiet, very docile,'' says Radcliffe. ''But he's got this incredibly filmic imagination.'' He must be doing something right: [B]While nothing's finalized, Yates is expected to return for film 6, which is slated to begin shooting this September.

Hogwarts' unctuous new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, Dolores Umbridge — a mole from the Ministry of Magic — has a creepy scene in which she makes a defiant Harry write out lines of contrition that appear scratched in blood on his hand. ''She's a terrible woman,'' says Imelda Staunton, who plays Umbridge in a succession of outfits that turn more violently pink the more power-crazed she becomes. ''She shouldn't be allowed.'' Director Yates recently watched the bloody-hand scene with a test audience in Chicago. ''The theater went very, very still,'' he says. ''Dolores does it with a smile and a cup of tea. That's what makes her really horrifying.''

*click on the cover for full coverage.

I'm not surprised about the length. It's true that a lot of the book focuses on Harry's thoughts and setting, which should be much easier to show on screen. They can't make it any worse than the last one, I think. Both of the fans and the general moviegoers seemed to be pretty satisfied with what they saw at the test screening, so I'm not worried. Great news about the strong possibility of David returning to direct the next one... I like him.

Also, there's a new portrait of Sirius in their gallery that wasn't released yesterday along with the twelve new photos.

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[Matt]

I really dislike how arrogant Radcliffe comes off.

[amazingfantasy15]

Well she appeared in the last one looking like a pretty Asian girl and then opened her mouth and sounded like Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard which kind of killed the moment for me

Well she is English or maybe Scottish.

[StorminNorman]

who said she was ugly?

She is not ugly but she is far from the level of "hotness" she was made out to be in HBP.

Maybe they will simply write out that subplot in the 6th movie, since it was fairly laughable in book form as it is :o

[mclay18]

I really dislike how arrogant Radcliffe comes off.

If you're talking about that bit where he says "people should let it go" and "there's the book if you want to read it", I don't think he's coming off as arrogant. More like pointing that not every single line and subplot can be in the film and that stuff has to be cut and compressed for time for movie length. It's perfectly warranted, given that the fans complain about how much is cut from each successive book when the movie adaptation is released.

I love Jason Issacs' comment about the wig being on a time-share from Paris Hilton -- great sense of humor that man has.

[I_Hate_U_All]

''So I thought I could have lots of breast, if not lots of lines.''

THIS IS WHY I LOVE CARTER.

[Gonking]

Why all te love for David Yates if we haven't seen the movie yet?
And this is the first blockbuster he is making. It was a risk to hire him for this one, so it would be a double risk to hire him again for the sixth movie now.

[LEX]

That statement seems a bit contradictory. Apparently, he's a good enough director for the job or else they would not think of hiring him again. I'm only going by what the people thought of the test screening and every tidbit from what's been cut and what hasn't to all of the clips we've seen and so far, everything looks promising. In his interviews, the guy seems to be understanding all the themes that are going on in the book perfectly. Nearly everything seems to be straight out of the book, which isn't something you see very often in this franchise. I have a feeling that this guy is going to nail it.

[Marvolo]

One thing that has helped this film is the change of the script writer. The new one seems to have a better grasp on how to adapt these books than Steve Kloves did with the past 4. From what I have read this film seems to be a condensed but very faithful adaption, which makes me happy. Too bad that Kloves is returning to write the script for the 6th and possibly 7th.

[mclay18]

One thing that has helped this film is the change of the script writer. The new one seems to have a better grasp on how to adapt these books than Steve Kloves did with the past 4. From what I have read this film seems to be a condensed but very faithful adaption, which makes me happy. Too bad that Kloves is returning to write the script for the 6th and possibly 7th.

Well, Kloves stepped down from adapting Order of the Phoenix because he had a hard time adapting Goblet of Fire (which was his favorite book) to script form -- I heard he did a dozen drafts before he finally got one that was okayed by the producers and J.K.R.. He then decided to take a break and do other stuff, because OOTP would be doubly hard to condense into a cohesive script, especially after doing the GOF script.

I also heard that Michael Goldenberg originally did a few script drafts for Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (or Philosopher's Stone for you U.K./overseas members), but the producers liked Kloves's script more. But I agree, Michael Goldenberg does have an eye for retaining the spirit and main plot of the book (judging from the advance reviews) -- he did a fantastic job of adapting Peter Pan and Contact. I suppose the reason why Goldenberg was picked to adapt OOTP when GOF started principal photography was to make sure he had enough time to figure out what to keep and what to cut out in the script. (And considering that Kloves was also still writing scenes for GOF, Goldenberg had to keep things consistent from the previous movies -- such as the character of Nigel.)

Even through shooting of OOTP, Goldenberg was still rewriting scenes. One scene he had to rewrite several times was the fight at the Ministry of Magic and figure out when Dumbledore was going to appear. He also has an eye to add stuff truer to the book's spirit, while Kloves mainly gave Ron's lines to Hermione and really reduced Ron to comic relief in the last two movies. I can't wait to see more Harry/Sirius scenes and that scene where Umbridge puts all the D.A. in detention -- now those scenes really bring the book to life cinematically. That is, it makes Sirius's death more emotional and really makes the audience loathe Umbridge.

[Marvolo]

mclay, some of that stuff about Kloves I didn't know. And I agree, what new scenes Goldenberg has created don't give the feeling that they are there because they can be and are just taking up space that a real scene from the book could go in, instead they seem to add to the story in a positive way. I would love to be able to read the whole script just to see how good of a job he has adapted some other things, but that will not surface until closer to the release or after the release.

[Backdrifter]

kloves didnt step down because he was having a hard time, he opted to write and direct the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime instead of penning HP.

[Threshold]

Cool, I was worried that Dan had outgrown me. My fears can be put to rest. ;)

[Avalanche]

Well she is English or maybe Scottish.
She certainly isn't a Liverpudlian. Seems like a Geordie to me, thus still English, but as close to Scottish as an English person gets.

[Avalanche]

Because the actress is not in touch with what her character is meant to be.
The actress would do as she is told. It's not her fault she's being sexed up.

[mclay18]

kloves didnt step down because he was having a hard time, he opted to write and direct the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime instead of penning HP.

Oh I know. He just wanted a break from HP and do another book he liked. But I did think the sheer length of OOTP (and the fact that he worked hard on GOF, which was pretty long) might have influenced his decision to do "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time" instead.

I'm not knocking Kloves entirely, he did do a fair to good job on adapting the first four novels, but I think his love for Hermione did prove to be annoying in the last two films by expanding her role more than the books did. I hope Goldenberg doesn't have the same weakness -- if anything, I hope he loves Ron instead. ;)

If there was a perfect world, I'd like to see Goldenberg and Kloves collaborate on the screenplay for Deathly Hallows. It'll be likely that Kloves will adapt it by himself, which depresses me.

[Gonking]

I think Kloves made a very good job in the first three movies. The problem of the first two wasn't the script, it was the director. But in GOF, he made a terrible adaptation. I still can't understand why there wasn't an explanation of the Priori Incantem.

[Dr. Fate]

The actress would do as she is told. It's not her fault she's being sexed up.
That's not a very good excuse, Avalanche.

Besides that, I think she enjoys being "sexed up".

[Gonking]

^ so...?

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

*laughs*

She said breasts.

[user123456789]

anyone know why hermione's hair gets better w/ each film...anyone remeber what it looked like in the 1st one?...
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and now...
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cause emma is ****in hot!!!!

[user123456789]

It's strange. Emma seems to be leaning more towards looking like the hermione of the books, and Bonnie's leaning more and more towards looking similar to here own book conterpart... just something worth noting.
are you blind?

emma is ****in gorgeous!!

bonnie is ugly as hell

emma:
http://www.poster.net/watson-emma/watson-emma-photo-emma-watson-6234497.jpg

bonnie:
http://www.explorecrete.com/albums/album19/donkey.jpg

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

lmao she isn't that ugly

[OtepApe]

You people make me laugh.

Hahaha!

See?

Emma Watson isn't hot as hell, she's kinda cute but that is all. She looks exactly like every single girl of her age. There's nothing to set her apart from the rest of them, except she's worth millions.

I really cannot fathom this blind lust you have for her.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Oi, Ape - it's called attraction.

Look it up.

1. the act, power, or property of attracting.
2. attractive quality; magnetic charm; fascination; allurement; enticement: the subtle attraction of her strange personality.
3. a person or thing that draws, attracts, allures, or entices: The main attraction was the after-dinner speaker.
4. a characteristic or quality that provides pleasure; attractive feature: The chief attractions of the evening were the good drinks and witty conversation.
5. Physics. the electric or magnetic force that acts between oppositely charged bodies, tending to draw them together.
6. an entertainment offered to the public.

she is all dem things my man

[OtepApe]

Wha???

She isn't any of those things!

I know what it must be.

When she's overacting in any scene she's ever in. Here eyebrows are all over the place in how she's working them. She has actually mastered the power of hypnosis.

That's what happening. For the love of God, won't somebody, please, think of the children?!!!!

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

No...they've been brainwahsed :rolleyes:

[OtepApe]

Those poor bastards! :(

[Avalanche]

are you blind?

emma is ****in gorgeous!!

bonnie is ugly as hell

emma:
http://www.poster.net/watson-emma/watson-emma-photo-emma-watson-6234497.jpg

bonnie:
http://www.explorecrete.com/albums/album19/donkey.jpg
Lmao.

Emma is a naturally pretty girl. She might be utterly stunning naturally, but has the potential to scrub up well. Bonnie, however, isn't a naturally good looking girl. She's just a bit average. They can dress her up a bit, but she won't ever be as pretty as Emma.

[mclay18]

I still can't understand why there wasn't an explanation of the Priori Incantem.

They're probably saving that bit for when all seven movies are out on DVD and then pull a LOTR-style extended editions for all seven movies.

[Gonking]

After reading all the last posts I have to say two things:

1) In the books, Rowling has NEVER said that Hermione is ugly, in fact, in the fourth one (when her teeths are fixed) during the christmas ball, she says that Hermione is BEAUTIFUL.

2) Emma is pure hotness

[Gonking]

They're probably saving that bit for when all seven movies are out on DVD and then pull a LOTR-style extended editions for all seven movies.


The shouldn't save it. It's extremely important.

[Eklypze]

i didnt think it was all that important i never read any of the books until after GOF came out and the only 2 ive read are ootp and hbp and it didnt seem all that important

[Gonking]

so, you think that isn't important to know why there is abound between Harry's wand and Voldemort's wand?

ok...

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

AWKARD...I *could* make a penis joke...but I sense there's something in the wind, it seems like tradgedy's at hand...

[mclay18]

mclay, some of that stuff about Kloves I didn't know. And I agree, what new scenes Goldenberg has created don't give the feeling that they are there because they can be and are just taking up space that a real scene from the book could go in, instead they seem to add to the story in a positive way. I would love to be able to read the whole script just to see how good of a job he has adapted some other things, but that will not surface until closer to the release or after the release.


Well, I read the spoilers the first person who saw the rough cut of OOTP on The Leaky Cauldron, and he said that there are no invented scenes in the OOTP movie (Sirius does see Harry off at Platform 9 3/4, albeit in his Animagus form). Judging by that, I think Goldenberg lifted a Harry/Sirius exchange from when they were at Grimmauld Palace and used it at the train exchange. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

From what y'all are talking about - it seems that this movie could be the best that makes sense, do you know what I mean? Number 3 seems to be the best film, but people are confused as to what its about basiclaly LOL.

So yeah...it's just Harry Potter fever is sort of dying out - especially with the last book this July. July will be "OMG Harry potter" then it's going to die down...the movies I foresee the box office totals decreasing - still profiteering, but decreasing.

[Dr. Fate]

After reading all the last posts I have to say two things:

1) In the books, Rowling has NEVER said that Hermione is ugly, in fact, in the fourth one (when her teeths are fixed) during the christmas ball, she says that Hermione is BEAUTIFUL.

2) Emma is pure hotness
If you want to get technical, she's supposed to be plain - neither pretty nor ugly. She only looks "BEAUTIFUL" at the Yule Ball (not christmas ball even though it is held around Christmas) because she put in the time and effort to make herself appear so. So other than that one night, she shouldn't be cute or pretty, nor dog-ugly.



Additionally, Bonnie Wright is NOT ugly.

[mclay18]

Ahem, back to the topic. Film Score Monthly has announced that the original motion picture soundtrack to Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix will be released on July 10 (although Amazon had the preorder option up two weeks before it was officially announced). Here's the article:


Warner Bros. Records will release the original soundtrack from the new Harry Potter film, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, on July 10. The album presents the original score composed by Nicholas Hooper, who was hired to score the film at the insistence of director David Yates, whose working relationship with the composer dates back to the early 1990s. The recording of the score began in London at Abbey Road Studios on March 19 and the orchestral sessions will continue next week.


No track listings or art is available yet, but they will probably emerge around May or June.

[Gonking]

If you want to get technical, she's supposed to be plain - neither pretty nor ugly. She only looks "BEAUTIFUL" at the Yule Ball (not christmas ball even though it is held around Christmas) because she put in the time and effort to make herself appear so. So other than that one night, she shouldn't be cute or pretty, nor dog-ugly.



Additionally, Bonnie Wright is NOT ugly.


a person is or is not pretty. Hermione has always been pretty but harry and Ron hadn't noticed that until the fourth year. Before that, she never even tried to look good, and the first time she did it everybody was :wow:, even Draco.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Up until about a week or so ago I was proud to say I've never seen a Harry Potter movie. However, since I find it my duty as a movie buff I need to expose myself to all sorts of movies, even those that I think/know will suck, i.e. Catwoman, Fantastic Four, etc. I didn't think I would hate HP movies, but I thought at least I should see them.

I was surprised to see how wrong I was. The first two were entertaining enough, and I enjoyed them and they introduced me to the HP world nicely.

But then I saw Prisoner of Azkaban, and I loved it. Terrifically directed, wonderfully acted, and an overall great movie experience. Being a Gary Oldman fan helped, and the plot twist made me cheer. It was nice to discover how childlike wonderful these movies were. Loved Goblet as well, and was surprised at how Empire Strikes Back-esque it was.

So now I am looking forward to future HP movies.

[The Kid]

Welcome to the club, Solid. Look out for Matt though. He hates everything that isn't word for word from the text for whatever reason.

[Matt]

Welcome to the club, Solid. Look out for Matt though. He hates everything that isn't word for word from the text for whatever reason.

Nonsense. I hate foolish changes for the sake of change, outright ignorance of the characters which results in poor characterization and plot holes.

[The Kid]

Oh, hi Matty.

[Matt]

Oh, hi Matty.

Good evening Wesyeed. How are you?

[The Kid]

Drunk

[Marvolo]

Glad you enjoyed the films. It's always nice to meet a new member of HP fandom.:)

[StorminNorman]

From what y'all are talking about - it seems that this movie could be the best that makes sense, do you know what I mean? Number 3 seems to be the best film, but people are confused as to what its about basiclaly LOL.

So yeah...it's just Harry Potter fever is sort of dying out - especially with the last book this July. July will be "OMG Harry potter" then it's going to die down...the movies I foresee the box office totals decreasing - still profiteering, but decreasing.

POA was the best movie of the bunch, but GOF was by far the best Harry Potter movie of the bunch. POA left too much out for my taste, and created incidents that simply can not be pointed to in the book. To leave out that entire fact that James, Remus, Sirius and Peter were the Maurders was inexcusable. It could of easily been added.

[StorminNorman]

Nonsense. I hate foolish changes for the sake of change, outright ignorance of the characters which results in poor characterization and plot holes.

You elitist, bastard :wow:

[britrogue]

What's the release date for this?

[OtepApe]

a person is or is not pretty. Hermione has always been pretty but harry and Ron hadn't noticed that until the fourth year. Before that, she never even tried to look good, and the first time she did it everybody was :wow:, even Draco.

Hermione has always been described in the books as plain, ordinary, never beautiful. It wasn't a case of Harry and Ron not noticing it, it's because it wasn't there. Hermione had to use all sorts of potions and remedies to make herself look attractive on the night of the Yule Ball. She said it was much too hard work to go through that everday, so she doesn't do it.

I am not really sure how you can see it any other way. It's as aclear as day.

[OtepApe]

What's the release date for this?

July 13th of this year.

[Gonking]

Hermione has always been described in the books as plain, ordinary, never beautiful. It wasn't a case of Harry and Ron not noticing it, it's because it wasn't there. Hermione had to use all sorts of potions and remedies to make herself look attractive on the night of the Yule Ball. She said it was much too hard work to go through that everday, so she doesn't do it.

I am not really sure how you can see it any other way. It's as aclear as day.

Book 4. Yule ball. Read it again. Especially the part where Harry talks about "the beautiful girl with Krum".

and she didn't use ANY potions or remedies to make herself look attractive. Unless you consider make up as a potion.

[Matt]

Book 4. Yule ball. Read it again. Especially the part where Harry talks about "the beautiful girl with Krum".

and she didn't use ANY potions or remedies to make herself look attractive. Unless you consider make up as a potion.

No, there definitely is a line similiar to that which Otep described.

[Dr. Fate]

No, there definitely is a line similiar to that which Otep described.
It's in like the first paragraph of the chapter that comes after the Yule Ball, where Hermione explains what an effort it was to make herself look that nice.

[OtepApe]

Book 4. Yule ball. Read it again. Especially the part where Harry talks about "the beautiful girl with Krum".

and she didn't use ANY potions or remedies to make herself look attractive. Unless you consider make up as a potion.

Have you actually read the book?

She uses potions to make herself look more attractice. Hair straightening potions etc. She was described as the beautiful girl next to Krum, because that night she was beautiful, due to the potions etc. She said it was too much effort to do this everyday, so she doesn't bother.

How is this not clear in the book?

[04nbod]

Book 4. Yule ball. Read it again. Especially the part where Harry talks about "the beautiful girl with Krum".

and she didn't use ANY potions or remedies to make herself look attractive. Unless you consider make up as a potion.

didn't something happen where the nurse at hogwarts had to fix her teeth and hermione confesses that she lied in order to get them made smaller

[amazingfantasy15]

Have you actually read the book?

She uses potions to make herself look more attractice. Hair straightening potions etc. She was described as the beautiful girl next to Krum, because that night she was beautiful, due to the potions etc. She said it was too much effort to do this everyday, so she doesn't bother.

How is this not clear in the book?

She mentions a hair potion that would be the magical equivalant to hairspray. I always took that bit to mean Hermione actually took the time to improve her appearance like any other girl would before a school dance. She gets her hair done, puts on makeup, that type of thing. It wasn't like a polyjuice potion where her actual appearance changed, it's just she took the time to look nice that day. However, she usually care more about classwork than her appearance, so she doesn't get up early to do her hair nice or put on makeup.

The teeth thing is right, Malfoy hit her with the spell that made her teeth grow, when she was getting them fixed she had the Nurse make them a little smaller. Something she could've done with braces, but felt why let this opportunity pass her by.

[Gonking]

She mentions a hair potion that would be the magical equivalant to hairspray. I always took that bit to mean Hermione actually took the time to improve her appearance like any other girl would before a school dance. She gets her hair done, puts on makeup, that type of thing. It wasn't like a polyjuice potion where her actual appearance changed, it's just she took the time to look nice that day. However, she usually care more about classwork than her appearance, so she doesn't get up early to do her hair nice or put on makeup.


exactly, that's when she looks like a plain girl, but when she tries and makes an effort, seems that she's a lot more that.

[OtepApe]

Hermione had to get ready hours before a the Yule Ball. She had to use potions which aren't anything like hairspray, they're magical, which hairspray isn't. Hermione was described as plain, ordinary, how can you not get this?

[OtepApe]

Hermione had to get ready hours before a the Yule Ball. She had to use potions which aren't anything like hairspray, they're magical, which hairspray isn't. Hermione was described as plain, ordinary, how can you not get this?

[Secret_Riddle]

Otep's right, Hermione was viewed as one of those girls that was just there, not extraordinary looking, but not ugly either.

The yule ball sort of convinced ron that hermione was a girl, and that he could have feelings for her, hence the events of books 5 and 6.

I dont think ron realised he had feelings for hermione until she prettied herself up, but harry even mentions the next day that hermione was back to normal.

[Gonking]

Hermione had to get ready hours before a the Yule Ball. She had to use potions which aren't anything like hairspray, they're magical, which hairspray isn't. Hermione was described as plain, ordinary, how can you not get this?

yeah, a shampoo for wizards lol

[OtepApe]

It was called something like 'Sleakezy's Straightening Solution' or something to that effect. Secret Riddle pretty much nailed it.

[amazingfantasy15]

Hermione had to get ready hours before a the Yule Ball. She had to use potions which aren't anything like hairspray, they're magical, which hairspray isn't. Hermione was described as plain, ordinary, how can you not get this?

You do realize girls usually take hours to get ready for dances like that, they usually go to salons to get their hair and makeup done just right. She used the Sleakezy's Straightening Solution (the only magical "potion" that's mentioned) to straighten her hair since it's naturally curly, girls in the real world use an iron to acheive the same effect, a girl I used to work with did that for a while then decided she didn't want to get up an extra half hour early or so to straigthen her naturally curly hair every morning.

I don't think Ron realized he had feelings for Hermione until she was "off the market". If you notice Ron was very interested in finding out who Hermione was going with and was acting somewhat jealous before he saw her prettied up. I think the real magic used during the Yule Ball was puberty.

[OtepApe]

I don't actually get why we are having this conversation. Hermione is not pretty in the books, she never has been. I am not trying to convince anyone. JK Rowling has stated Hermione was very plain, very ordinary. How people still don't get this is a puzzle to me.

[The Lizard]

are you blind?

emma is ****in gorgeous!!

bonnie is ugly as hell


Come on, that's mean and not true. Bonnie is cute...

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8514/bwrightfdx2.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5973/bonjunepartyghost1puuv5.jpg

She's just not as naturally pretty as Emma (who has some serious forehead zit problems herself, BTW).

I think that the future movies will probably focus more on Ginny's fun personality and outspoken behaviour as the reasons for her sudden popularity with the boys.

[batman11]

Any news on when the trailer hits online? Its been out with TMNT for over a week, my friend told me he saw the trailer on TMNT's opening day. Has anyone seen it?

[terry78]

Come on, that's mean and not true. Bonnie is cute...

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8514/bwrightfdx2.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5973/bonjunepartyghost1puuv5.jpg

She's just not as naturally pretty as Emma (who has some serious forehead zit problems herself, BTW).

I think that the future movies will probably focus more on Ginny's fun personality and outspoken behaviour as the reasons for her sudden popularity with the boys.


I feel so dirty looking at that. Underage girls in a party scene, it just ain't kosher. :o

[Matt]

Come on, that's mean and not true. Bonnie is cute...

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8514/bwrightfdx2.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5973/bonjunepartyghost1puuv5.jpg

She's just not as naturally pretty as Emma (who has some serious forehead zit problems herself, BTW).

I think that the future movies will probably focus more on Ginny's fun personality and outspoken behaviour as the reasons for her sudden popularity with the boys.

She is pretty, but more in the way you would look at a 13 year old girl and say "Oh my, you've gotten so pretty". Not in the drop dead gorgeous way like Ginny.

[Gonking]

I don't actually get why we are having this conversation. Hermione is not pretty in the books, she never has been. I am not trying to convince anyone.

Me neither :up: I think she is pretty. I've gave my arguments. Period.

[Mr. Socko]

I'm so mad there's not gonna be any DOBBY!!!!!

[The Kid]

She is pretty, but more in the way you would look at a 13 year old girl and say "Oh my, you've gotten so pretty". Not in the drop dead gorgeous way like Ginny.

I would love to see your idea of a drop-dead gorgeous child.

[Mr. Socko]

Dat's SICK

I hope Matt aint lookin at NO 13 year old girl and thinking "drop-dead gorgeous"

lmfao

[OtepApe]

Me neither :up: I think she is pretty. I've gave my arguments. Period.


Well you're wrong.

There isn't a shade of grey, it's black or white. I am right and you are wrong.

You are so wrong, you can raise a small family of mistakes and name each one of them, 'Hermione is not pretty in the books'.

[raybia]

Well you're wrong.

There isn't a shade of grey, it's black or white. I am right and you are wrong.

You are so wrong, you can raise a small family of mistakes and name each one of them, 'Hermione is not pretty in the books'.


To say that Hermione is not pretty in the books suggests that Rowling specific wrote to that fact.

So with that in mind, please give us the Book and the page # that supports your argument that she is "not pretty".

I am under the assumption that Hermione has blossomed into a beautiful young lady which both Ron and Harry noticed in "Goblet of Fire."

Also Herminone fixing herself up for the Ball is no different than what thousands of girls do for prom every year with thousands of boys noticing the difference.

If Herminone was really an ugly girl then making herself up for the ball would not really change that.

[OtepApe]

I never said she was ugly. I said, she was plain, oridnary, not ugly.

[raybia]

I never said she was ugly. I said, she was plain, oridnary, not ugly.

Many girls who ordinarily look plain, can have their natural beauty brought out and enhanced by having their hair done, make up correctly applied, and of course through the clothing that is chosen.

An good example is actresses with and without makeup;




http://www.geocities.com/icecreamrules/actresses.jpg


http://www.celebs-extreme.com/Mina%20bilder/Kate%20Moss/top4.JPG


http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/BIB/HATF2-Dateien/image138.jpg

http://www.themakeupstudio.net/imgs/pageImgs/application.jpg

Quite remarkable the difference.

Overall, Herminone's feminity, which is usually hidden, was displayed for the ball, and that reminded Ron and Harry that is not just one of the guys but a budding young lady. It happens all of the time.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

lmao the one of Alicia Silverstone there isnt a difference

[Gonking]

To say that Hermione is not pretty in the books suggests that Rowling specific wrote to that fact.

So with that in mind, please give us the Book and the page # that supports your argument that she is "not pretty".

I am under the assumption that Hermione has blossomed into a beautiful young lady which both Ron and Harry noticed in "Goblet of Fire."

Also Herminone fixing herself up for the Ball is no different than what thousands of girls do for prom every year with thousands of boys noticing the difference.

If Herminone was really an ugly girl then making herself up for the ball would not really change that.

I'm waiting for that too. I've gave a clear quote from the book. Totally agree with you.

[raybia]

I'm waiting for that too. I've gave a clear quote from the book. Totally agree with you.

Plus, like it or not, the kids from the movies are the faces of this characters, even in the novels. When I read one of the books, I always visualize the actors who play them.

So with that in mind, since Emma is obviously a pretty girl and Herminone is also by default. Harry (Daniel) has also aged very well too into a handsome young man.

[OtepApe]

Ok first off; do you really think I am going to go over all the books again and read every single sentence just to prove you two wrong? I have better things to do.

Also, just because you visualise the actors when you are reading the books doesn't make it so.

For instance, Harry in the books has black hair, but Dan has brown. Nothing major I know, yet there is a difference. So you are visualising wrong.

And also, I cannot believe for a second that you could have read all thse books, gone over them several times and seem to have some kind of intelligence and you cannot seem to grasp that the Hermione in the books is not pretty. It just boggles the mind.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

We are allowed to visualise the characters and event s any way we want - there's been a lot of people who have said "That's not what I saw in my head".

Don't say people visualise wrong - they see whatever thney see naturally.

She isn't ugly either in the books I know that...

[OtepApe]

For the last time, I NEVER SAID SHE WAS UGLY.

She's just plain, ordinary, nothing special. How can you people not get this?

Oh and as far as visualsing wrong, of course it can happen.

You see Dan in your head when visualising Harry. Harry in the books is described (words were actually written) as having black hair (Dan has brown), a clump of hair standing up at the back of his head (Dan doesn't have this, which is also a character trait from his father), and I am sure there is something about the eyes as well. I can't quite remember that one.

So to say you see Dan, but are being described as another person, then that's ok???? The descriptions are there for a reason. It's like saying The Weasley's can have different colour hair, or Snape looks like Zeus. The descriptions that are in the book are there for a reason. To visualise something else, is to visualise wrong.

Jesus, I thought you people were smart enough to know this.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Some people, like myself, have problems visualising when first reading. I cannot visualise to save my life - but once I've seen the film I can bugger all that and focus on the plot.

Anyways - this argument is nonsensical and pointless and not getting anyone anywhere.

[OtepApe]

When reading the books I sometimes visualise things from the movies. I admit, it's hard not to do. But just because a certain person may look one way in the movies, then it doesn't automatically mean they look that way in the books. That's what raybia seemed to think, I was merely sayiong this wasn't the case.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Now - with that I agree.

But does it honestly matter what they look like? If you focus on someone's visual appearance the word shallow comes to mind, Otep LOL

[OtepApe]

With a lot of things I would agree with that. Within regards to the world of Harry Potter, I don't.

The visual appearences of characters in Harry Potter actually mean something. They show character, they show that these characters can be real people if taken out of a magical setting. Hermione's bushy hair, Ron'd ginger hair, Harry's untidy hair and his mother eyes. They all mean something, they are all a part of this character. So in that regard, I think that it is important, not shallow.

I am not claiming to have a crush on a work of fiction, I just think it's an imrportant part of the actual characters.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

The only part of appearance is Harry's eyes.

ther than that they are just people

As I expressed earlier (and now sans eyes) I don't really care what they look like as long as I can heave my way trhough 600 pages.

That's my philosophy.

[OtepApe]

I don't mean the his hair plays a significant part in the plot, it just came from his dad and I think that's important in regards to his character.

I see the appearences as one part of a giant puzzle. It's not the specfic plot that enthralls me. It's the characters mainly and part of the characters is there appearence. They are used to build up the world surrounding them. It turns them into real people rather then faceless names that just don't acheive anything.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

True.

But is it not enough to say Harry looks like his father and has his mothers eyes?

Because that's really only thats relevant to the pot whilst making it a realistic and three-dimensional world.

[OtepApe]

I am sure a lot of us have facial characteristics of our parents. Mum's nose, dad's chin, milkman's eyes, whatever. It just shows a complete character. It shows that it could be any one of us.

It's not essential to the plot, but it's essential to the enjoyment of the books.

Because of the diluted movie versions that we are getting, more and more people are forgetting that the books came first and what they actually have inside them. I have seen people think things that happen in the movies happen in the books. Because movies are the dominant media over books, people tend to disregard the books in favor of the movies. It does happen, not just with Harry Potter but many book adaptations.

It's important to remember the characters in the books actually have a personality and character, even though the counterparts in the movies don't.

[raybia]

Ok first off; do you really think I am going to go over all the books again and read every single sentence just to prove you two wrong? I have better things to do.


Of course you do so don't sweat it but the six books I've read never gave me the impression that Herminone was ugly, though maybe plain (aren't many 11 year olds?) and of course I've always been conscious of the fact that she, along with Harry and Ron were 11 when the books began, so it never dawned on me that Herminone would not blossom to be a pretty young lady one day.

Also, just because you visualise the actors when you are reading the books doesn't make it so.

But the actors were picked from Rowling's description of the characters, so its natural after 4 movies to associate the masturation of the actors with the characters themselves.

For instance, Harry in the books has black hair, but Dan has brown. Nothing major I know, yet there is a difference. So you are visualising wrong.

The novels don't include any artwork except for the covers, so the only real visual aspect associated with the characters are the movies. For example, if a new Harry Potter cartoon series was made, kid would probably want him to have brown hair since Daniel's hair is brown and since he IS Harry Potter to millions.

And also, I cannot believe for a second that you could have read all thse books, gone over them several times and seem to have some kind of intelligence and you cannot seem to grasp that the Hermione in the books is not pretty. It just boggles the mind.

Again, she was a child when the first book was released and now with book 7, she is 17. I would expect an ordinary looking 11 year old girl to blossom into a pretty 17 year old young lady. Notice we are saying PRETTY and not BEAUTIFUL. I don't think that is much of a stretch at all.

By the way, I'm not trying to bust your chops or anything. This is a very trivial subject we are discussing. In my mind, Emma is pretty and therefore so is Herminone.

I don't think Rowling would disapprove.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I agree with that, too.

[OtepApe]

Again, she was a child when the first book was released and now with book 7, she is 17. I would expect an ordinary looking 11 year old girl to blossom into a pretty 17 year old young lady. Notice we are saying PRETTY and not BEAUTIFUL. I don't think that is much of a stretch at all.

Just when this thread was starting to regain it's sanity, you post. :whatever:

Again, read what I am actually saying, I NEVER SAID HERMIONE WAS UGLY!!!

Jesus, just read it. Don't take your pick on what I am saying, read it.

No the novels don't contain any artwork. JK Rowling assumed people were smart enough to to actually understand her descriptions of the characters. In the books Harry has black hair, it says Harry has black hair, JK Rolwing intended for Harry to have black hair. So you visualise brown, nice move.

Harry with his black hair isn't really what I am getting at, it's just a point I had to prove. Which I have.

I will use Spider-man as an instance. Norman Osborn in the movies has blond hair, as played by Willem Defoe. However, in the comics Norman Osborn has that Black hair, corregated look going on. Just because more people have seen the movie or are too stupid to get a description, then the original should be discarded??? No, it doesn't.

Just because people in Harry Potter movies look one way, doesn't mean they actually do in the books.

If people are too stupid not to read and understand a description of a character that JK has put down, that's not my fault. It's not her fault. It's the moron who is reading that is to blame.

By the way, I'm not trying to bust your chops or anything. This is a very trivial subject we are discussing. In my mind, Emma is pretty and therefore so is Herminone.

I am not bothered if you are trying to bust my chops. There may be another reason that WB got an attractive looking girl to play Hermione rather than a plain looking girl. Maybe, just maybe, they did this to get more people into the theatre. To get pre-pubescent boys, dirty old men, young girls looking for role models etc, they casted a nice looking girl in a part that is going to reach out to millions.

Of course nothing like that has ever happened before. Movie studio's aren't bothered about making money, nor will they change things to do so. No, that never happens.

The whole point of the Yule Ball scene in GOF, was to get the characters and the audience to start looking at Hermione in a different light. To see her as a young girl maturing and becoming a woman. As she looked attractive before the Yule Ball in the movie, it made the whole scene pointless and a waste.

[raybia]

I don't understand your argument here.


Just because people in Harry Potter movies look one way, doesn't mean they actually do in the books.

OK, tell me exactly how, other than Harry's brown hair, the characters in the movies are off based with their literature counterparts?

If people are too stupid not to read and understand a description of a character that JK has put down, that's not my fault. It's not her fault. It's the moron who is reading that is to blame.

Yet, you are unable or unwilling to give us examples were of major decrepancies between the novels and the movies.

OR

Maybe people just don't give a crap anymore about Rowling's simplistic descriptions of the character.

Don't you know that visual images have a large impact on the mind that just reading a description of a person?

That is why police detectives try to come up with a composite drawing of suspects.

[OtepApe]

Ok, I now have something substantial to put towards you. Exactly asI have described it.

http://watsonforever.tripod.com/id1.html

Why do we love Emma Watson?? We love her because she's cool, seems down to earth, funny and is very beautiful. We liked Emma from the word go but only faniced her from the 3rd film onwards! Our love for Emma is going out of control but we can't help it, she's got us under her spell. One thing that does upset us is the fact alot of the Harry potter fans don't like Emma playing Hermione. They have mixed opinions about Watson's portrayal of Granger: Some feel she is perfect for the role; others believe Watson fails to capture Hermione's insecurities and flaws, and complain that she is "too pretty" for the role — a sentiment shared by some film critics — since, in the book series, Granger was generally described as being very "plain" (neither "pretty" nor "ugly"). The screenplays for the films, however, have made her a more powerful and prominent character than originally written by J. K. Rowling, causing some fans to complain that it alters the chemistry and group dynamic of the three central characters

Now, didn't I use the word 'plain'???

I am sure I did.

[raybia]

The whole point of the Yule Ball scene in GOF, was to get the characters and the audience to start looking at Hermione in a different light. To see her as a young girl maturing and becoming a woman. As she looked attractive before the Yule Ball in the movie, it made the whole scene pointless and a waste.

Okay, I think this is the source of dispute.

To you, Hermione was already attractive but to me, I was able to see a difference between the "ordinary/plain Herminone and the new "beautified" Herminone.

Who is right? Both of us. Its just a matter of perception. I hope that alone didn't ruin the movie or the series for you.

[OtepApe]

Yet, you are unable or unwilling to give us examples were of major decrepancies between the novels and the movies.

OR

Maybe people just don't give a crap anymore about Rowling's simplistic descriptions of the character.

Don't you know that visual images have a large impact on the mind that just reading a description of a person?

That is why police detectives try to come up with a composite drawing of suspects.

You see my not wanting to scroll through 6 books and over 3000 pages of material being unwilling? Oh my God, words cannot describe how much of an (insert negative word here) you are.

The mind chooses what it wishes to see. You wish to see youself being right, although you're not. Quite clearly you're not.

But anyway, I am not going to go through all the books as I really don't need to. Just look at the post above.

[OtepApe]

Okay, I think this is the source of dispute.

To you, Hermione was already attractive but to me, I was able to see a difference between the "ordinary/plain Herminone and the new "beautified" Herminone.

Who is right? Both of us. Its just a matter of perception. I hope that alone didn't ruin the movie or the series for you.

Oh God no, there are MANY other things wrong with the series rather then just that one scene.

[OtepApe]

Emma steals the movie for me more than anything else. Her one liners and superior attitude are delivered with a degree greater than perfection and highlight EVERY scene she is in. Frankly, I don’t ever expect that fine a performance from a child. When Oscar time comes around don’t be surprised to see her on the ballot. Again they fell short on living up to the book simply because she’s a very cute little girl and the book clearly describes a very plain looking girl with huge front teeth. However, it’s excusable simply because of the extraordinary performance put forth

Ok, quite clearly this guy is an idiot regarding her talent. However, even though he has this view of how good an actress Watson is, he still clearly see's how Hermione was described.

[raybia]

Ok, I now have something substantial to put towards you. Exactly asI have described it.

http://watsonforever.tripod.com/id1.html



Now, didn't I use the word 'plain'???

I am sure I did.

Ok, I've not going to argue how some people view Emma.

When I read the 1st book, which I did before seeing the 1st movie, I would have read Rowling describe Herminone as "plain." However, when I saw the first movie, nothing about the way Emma look cause me to consciously notice that she wasn't "plain".

Either the description of "plain" from the novel had no impact on me OR I wasn't stunned by 11 year old Emma Watson's apparent prettiness.

Like I say, I think that whole argument is very very trivial and even if Emma is prettier that what the character was intended, I just fail to see how its revelent in terms of the 7 book storyline.

For those who are really bothered by this, I say its too bad because this movie series have done a much better job adapting itself from the novels that what I would have anticipated, but no movie is perfect in this.

[raybia]

Oh God no, there are MANY other things wrong with the series rather then just that one scene.

Like what?

[OtepApe]

Ok, I've not going to argue how some people view Emma.

When I read the 1st book, which I did before seeing the 1st movie, I would have read Rowling describe Herminone as "plain." However, when I saw the first movie, nothing about the way Emma look cause me to consciously notice that she wasn't "plain".

Either the description of "plain" from the novel had no impact on me OR I wasn't stunned by 11 year old Emma Watson's apparent prettiness.

Like I say, I think that whole argument is very very trivial and even if Emma is prettier that what the character was intended, I just fail to see how its revelent in terms of the 7 book storyline.

For those who are really bothered by this, I say its too bad because this movie series have done a much better job adapting itself from the novels that what I would have anticipated, but no movie is perfect in this.


Thank you, I have proven I am right.

Also, I never said it matters towards the plot of the 7th book. I actually went out of my way to say it doesn't matter to plot, rather towards personality of the characters.

Now the movies have actually done a rather poor job of adapting themselves, but I suppose that one is down to opinion. I am just glad I was actually able to prove to one person, just one person that I was right.

[OtepApe]

Like what?


There are too many to go through. I have been through all of them in this thread several times before. You want to know, go look through the pages of this thread.

[raybia]

You see my not wanting to scroll through 6 books and over 3000 pages of material being unwilling? Oh my God, words cannot describe how much of an (insert negative word here) you are.

Thats not nice. I haven't insult you so I ask to not insult me. Clearly we don't see eye to eye on this but thats ok, I still respect your view.

The mind chooses what it wishes to see. You wish to see youself being right, although you're not. Quite clearly you're not.

I don't know if I'm right or wrong, I just don't think its an issue and is being blown out of proportion. Its really a matter of perception.

But anyway, I am not going to go through all the books as I really don't need to. Just look at the post above.

I still would like to know from what book number was Herminone described as "plain."

[OtepApe]

I still would like to know from what book number was Herminone described as "plain."

You have to realise something. It's very frustrating for someone like me, a self confessed know it all, to actually know something to be true, to now have proven it and still that person not accept it. It's like banging your head against a Rhino's a$$ over and over and over and overa again.

I don't know what specfic book. Could have been the first, the second, the third, I don't remember the specific line from the book. But I do know, I know this to be a fact, that Hermione Granger in the books is just 'plain'. I have provided some links above to further support this. I would now like to leave it at that as it's actually now boring me.

You want to know what book so bad, go back and read through all 6. Go back and scroll through 3000 pages, like you wanted me to do.

[raybia]

You have to realise something. It's very frustrating for someone like me, a self confessed know it all, to actually know something to be true, to now have proven it and still that person not accept it. It's like banging your head against a Rhino's a$$ over and over and over and overa again.

I don't know what specfic book. Could have been the first, the second, the third, I don't remember the specific line from the book. But I do know, I know this to be a fact, that Hermione Granger in the books is just 'plain'. I have provided some links above to further support this. I would now like to leave it at that as it's actually now boring me.

You want to know what book so bad, go back and read through all 6. Go back and scroll through 3000 pages, like you wanted me to do.


Well it is a very relevent question to ask. Why? Because plain people, especially kids, can change in appearance over time. But I do accept that at some point she was described as "plain."

Plus, wouldn't you admit for a brief description that no one is sure what book it appeared and obiviously not a description that Rowling has repeated beat readers over the head with, it has been made a major point of contention?

Would you also admit that sometimes, plain boys and girls can grow into pretty looking people?

[Gonking]

Ok, I now have something substantial to put towards you. Exactly asI have described it.

http://watsonforever.tripod.com/id1.html

Why do we love Emma Watson?? We love her because she's cool, seems down to earth, funny and is very beautiful. We liked Emma from the word go but only faniced her from the 3rd film onwards! Our love for Emma is going out of control but we can't help it, she's got us under her spell. One thing that does upset us is the fact alot of the Harry potter fans don't like Emma playing Hermione. They have mixed opinions about Watson's portrayal of Granger: Some feel she is perfect for the role; others believe Watson fails to capture Hermione's insecurities and flaws, and complain that she is "too pretty" for the role — a sentiment shared by some film critics — since, in the book series, Granger was generally described as being very "plain" (neither "pretty" nor "ugly"). The screenplays for the films, however, have made her a more powerful and prominent character than originally written by J. K. Rowling, causing some fans to complain that it alters the chemistry and group dynamic of the three central characters

Now, didn't I use the word 'plain'???

I am sure I did.


so, where is the quote from the book?

that's just another opinion.

[raybia]

so, where is the quote from the book?

that's just another opinion.

He doesn't know nor has the time to look through 6000 pages.

But if Herminone's description as "plain" is in anyway truly revelant to Rowling, then I would think it would be in either the first book or in "Goblet." I'll look tonight and let you know.

[Mr. Socko]

Are you guys casual Potter fans or huge fans like you are of comics?

[OtepApe]

Well it is a very relevent question to ask. Why? Because plain people, especially kids, can change in appearance over time. But I do accept that at some point she was described as "plain."

Plus, wouldn't you admit for a brief description that no one is sure what book it appeared and obiviously not a description that Rowling has repeated beat readers over the head with, it has been made a major point of contention?

Would you also admit that sometimes, plain boys and girls can grow into pretty looking people?

I am not saying she cannot be classed as 'pretty' at some point. She isn't pretty all the time as the movies would have her make out to be. They lost some of the impact of the Yule Ball scene as a part of this. However, she is pretty much not pretty in the others aswell. Considering it took her hours to get ready and potions of somekind to do this. And she herself stated, it's too much hassle to go though everyday. So at the Yule Ball she was pretty, at not other time in the books has it made any kind of mention that she is a natrually pretty girl.

Maybe it's just me not remembering. The Prophecy for instance. That is hugely important in regards to the fate of Harry and Voldemort, I know that. I just don't know it word for word. Sometimes you can get the gist of things without having word for word detail of them, no?

[Gonking]

Ok, quite clearly this guy is an idiot regarding her talent. However, even though he has this view of how good an actress Watson is, he still clearly see's how Hermione was described.

well, he is wrong too. Because her "huge frontal teeths" doesn't exist anymore since Goblet of Fire. That's when she become a pretty girl, that, when she makes an effort and use some make up and takes care of her hair, is a beautiful girl like is told IN THE BOOK.

[OtepApe]

so, where is the quote from the book?

that's just another opinion.

*thud*
*thud*
*thud*

That's me hitting my head against that Rhino's a$$ again. I have said I don't know the exact quote from the book. I have also given a pretty decent explanation in the post above. Look at it.

It's an opinion widely accepted, it's an opinion coming from a huge Emma Watson fan, it's actually mentioning the opinion of film critics and Harry Potter fans in general.

[Secret_Riddle]

Are you guys casual Potter fans or huge fans like you are of comics?

I'm a die hard fan of Potter, and Spider-man.

[OtepApe]

well, he is wrong too. Because her "huge frontal teeths" doesn't exist anymore since Goblet of Fire. That's when she become a pretty girl, that, when she makes an effort and use some make up and takes care of her hair, is a beautiful girl like is told IN THE BOOK.

Just because she got rid of the big teeth doesn't maker her pretty. What about the huge bushy hair? What about the plain apperence? Gonking, I understand what you're saying. I think you're wrong, but I understand where you're coming from

But quite clearly, you need to go back and read all the books again. And not let this fascination of Emma Watson pollute your views of the books. Quite clearly, that's what you're doing.

[raybia]

Maybe it's just me not remembering. The Prophecy for instance. That is hugely important in regards to the fate of Harry and Voldemort, I know that. I just don't know it word for word. Sometimes you can get the gist of things without having word for word detail of them, no?

Agreed.

[OtepApe]

Agreed.

So maybe, I have the gist of Hermione being plain. I just don't remember it word for word, no?

[Gonking]

Just because she got rid of the big teeth doesn't maker her pretty. What about the huge bushy hair? What about the plain apperence? Gonking, I understand what you're saying. I think you're wrong, but I understand where you're coming from

But quite clearly, you need to go back and read all the books again. And not let this fascination of Emma Watson pollute your views of the books. Quite clearly, that's what you're doing.

no, I have read all the books twice. A person can be pretty and, at the same time, have bushy hair. We only have another interpretation of the books and that's a normal thing.

[raybia]

So maybe, I have the gist of Hermione being plain. I just don't remember it word for word, no?

Agreed.

I also have the gist of the book not really dwelling over her appearance one way or another.

Harry and Ron always looked at her as one of the boys, IMO, and when they saw her at the Ball, looking the way she did, it seemed believable and realistic that they noticed that she was not one of the guys but oddly, a pretty young woman.

I understand you and you are not wrong, we just come away with slightly varying interpretations of the books and that is not a bad thing, thats in the beauty of reading.

[OtepApe]

no, I have read all the books twice. A person can be pretty and, at the same time, have bushy hair. We only have another interpretation of the books and that's a normal thing.

So in your view, Hermione is pretty after having her teeth magically shrunk? Having buchy hair but still being pretty? And using 'magical' (you know, where anything is possible) potions to improve her looks?

That isn't generally considered pretty y'know, not when you have to do all that.

[OtepApe]

Agreed.

I also have the gist of the book not really dwelling over her appearance one way or another.

Harry and Ron always looked at her as one of the boys, IMO, and when they saw her at the Ball, looking the way she did, it seemed believable and realistic that they noticed that she was not one of the guys but oddly, a pretty young woman.


No, it never dwelled on the fact that she was plain. But there was a current thoughout, always throwing in little sentences, or quotes from characters. I agree with what you're saying about how Ron and Harry viewed her, but what I am saying is she isn't a naturally pretty young woman. She had to do a lot of work get the way she did. Yes, women these days use products, but that only will go as far as science will let it. Magica is a totally different thing. Magic is imagination. People can make animals noises using sweets, they can change the way they look using Polyjuice Potion, they can do all sorts of things. Now I am not saying Hermione used Polyjuice Potion. But I am saying that magical beauty products will do a fas superior job then any normal 'muggle' product would.

[Gonking]

So in your view, Hermione is pretty after having her teeth magically shrunk? Having buchy hair but still being pretty? And using 'magical' (you know, where anything is possible) potions to improve her looks?

That isn't generally considered pretty y'know, not when you have to do all that.

lol you clearly don't have a sister, a woman friend, a girlfriend or anything like that. Every woman (or at least the 95% of them) spend hours doing a lot of thing to look great before a party. And indeed, I think she is a natural pretty girl, and when makes an effort, she can become one of the most beautiful girls of a ball (and to do that you can't be just a plain woman, it takes more that)

[chaseter]

I just read the book and it was wonderful. Cannot wait to see the movie and see how much they change.

[LEX]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6316/ootpstillsumbridgeharryai2.jpg

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I just read the book and it was wonderful. Cannot wait to see the movie and see how much they change.

That's a positive thing? :confused:

[mclay18]

Okay, to get away from the endless "if Emma does Hermione justice" debate, here's (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:9691) a link to a recent interview with OOTP screenwriter Michael Goldenberg, conducted by The Leaky Cauldron's Melissa Anelli.

Good interview, not to mention Goldenberg looks much smarter than Kloves does...

[Gonking]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6316/ootpstillsumbridgeharryai2.jpg

nice pic :up:

[chaseter]

That's a positive thing? :confused:
Usually not but dialogue wise yes. Great film series like this one add more depth to the dialogue to make it more dramatic. I like to read books and watch the movie to see what they choose to keep in and if it works or not. I am perfectly fine with them leaving Peeves out of all the movies and think it was an improvement. I do miss Nick though.

[OtepApe]

Okay, to stem the surge of the "if Emma is Hermione" debate, here's (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:9691) a link to a recent interview with OOTP screenwriter Michael Goldenberg, conducted by The Leaky Cauldron's Melissa Anelli.

Good interview, not to mention Goldenberg looks much smarter than Kloves does...


Ok, I read the interview. In what part does it stem the surge of if Emma is Hermione or not?

There was a line about how great the three main actors are and how they are going to blow us away. But he's bound to say that. Of course he wants the movie he has done the screenpay for to do well. He's not going to say they were average or terrible or anything. So if that's what you're referring to, then that doesn't mean s**t really.

If not, then what part do you mean?

[Fanticon]

when is the next preview coming out? How bout a new poster?

[mclay18]

Ok, I read the interview. In what part does it stem the surge of if Emma is Hermione or not?

There was a line about how great the three main actors are and how they are going to blow us away. But he's bound to say that. Of course he wants the movie he has done the screenpay for to do well. He's not going to say they were average or terrible or anything. So if that's what you're referring to, then that doesn't mean s**t really.

If not, then what part do you mean?

Let me correct myself. I wanted to talk about a different aspect of OOTP, rather than arguing needlessly about whether Emma does the character of Hermione justice or not. It's all a matter of opinion, anyway.

And you still haven't pulled that stick out of your ass. Geez, lighten up.

[OtepApe]

I just wondered what you meant is all. I don't think it was too much to ask for. Now that you have made yourself perfectly clear, then I can go about my business.

Oh and for the record, that stick is staying up there. Damn thing is caught on something.

[Gonking]

^You like it. Don't you? :D

[OtepApe]

Let's just say I have grown comfortable with it! :ninja:

[Gonking]

lol

[chaseter]

They have the Dursley's down perfect.
http://www.mugglenet.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=58720&fullsize=1

[raybia]

They have the Dursley's down perfect.
http://www.mugglenet.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=58720&fullsize=1

LOL! Prefect (pun intended) casting!

[raybia]

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9SOk8jQvyk

[chaseter]

Has there been any reports whether the house elfs will be in this? Kreacher plays quiet a big role and Dobby of course makes an appearance. I also wonder if Grawp will be in.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Grawp is in it...

[chaseter]

I think this is new...haven't seen it.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4513&d=1176512126

[chaseter]

This must be the pensieve scene...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4514&d=1176512493

[Gonking]

Yeah, both are old.

[mclay18]

Has there been any reports whether the house elfs will be in this? Kreacher plays quiet a big role and Dobby of course makes an appearance. I also wonder if Grawp will be in.

The reviews of the advanced rough cut screening have said that Dobby is cut from the OOTP movie (and an interview with Toby Jones confirms this). Kreacher is included because J.K.R. says he is very important to the plot (and book seven), as well as Grawp. I don't blame the filmmakers for not including Dobby -- obviously some things had to go.

I hope the WB has a one-sheet of OOTP ready to go, and a full-length theatrical trailer soon. And considering that HBP is going to start shooting in September (and Kloves will mostly likely be working on the script until shooting wraps), it'd be great if Michael Goldenberg came back on to do DH. That way, the WB could start production on the final movie in late 2008 and we could get the final movie in 2009 rather than 2010.

[Gonking]

They have already said that Goldenberg won't be in DH and that the last movie will be released in 2010.

[Gonking]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3006/114cv4.jpg

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1043/115ok0.jpg

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Fantastic first picture, Gon!

And the second one - lol the Weasleys look cozy...:)

[mclay18]

They have already said that Goldenberg won't be in DH and that the last movie will be released in 2010.

Well, maybe when the book comes out he'll change his mind. I mean, when HBP came out July 2005, Steve Kloves immediately wanted to come back for the sixth film. Maybe a similar thing will happen with Goldenberg and DH, but then again he has his own futuristic drama in the works with Warner Brothers, so that would complicate things. Although I wouldn't mind having another screenwriter take a crack at DH other than Kloves or Goldenberg...

And I think the release date for the movie adaptation of DH might be accelerated if OOTP does really well this upcoming July. The fervor over the release of movie 5 and the final book in July (and both being released a week from each other) might pay off really well for the WB. But that's just my optimistic side talking.

I love those pics BTW. The first pic is of the twins, Ron and Ginny in Dumbledore's office after Harry sees Mr. Weasley being injured by Nagini. The second pic is when Harry is pulled out of Umbridge's fire and the D.A. is being held hostage by the Inquistatorial Squad (I wonder if it'll show Ginny casting the Bat-Bogey Hex on Malfoy).

[Gonking]

Fantastic first picture, Gon!

And the second one - lol the Weasleys look cozy...:)

:up: yeah, looks like they know about the attack against their father

[Gonking]

Well, maybe when the book comes out he'll change his mind. I mean, when HBP came out July 2005, Steve Kloves immediately wanted to come back for the sixth film. Maybe a similar thing will happen with Goldenberg and DH, but then again he has his own futuristic drama in the works with Warner Brothers, so that would complicate things. Although I wouldn't mind having another screenwriter take a crack at DH other than Kloves or Goldenberg...

And I think the release date for the movie adaptation of DH might be accelerated if OOTP does really well this upcoming July. The fervor over the release of movie 5 and the final book in July (and both being released a week from each other) might pay off really well for the WB. But that's just my optimistic side talking.

yeah, I hope they change the release date to 2009 too, but it seems quite impossible since they don't have the book 7 to adapt yet. So there's no time to shot HBP and DH back to back.

[OtepApe]

I don't think it's a case of Goldenberg not wanting to come back. It's just Kloves wants to finish up the series I would imagine. Goldenberg was a one time deal as Kloves was dealing with another movie.

[Gonking]

I don't think it's a case of Goldenberg not wanting to come back. It's just Kloves wants to finish up the series I would imagine. Goldenberg was a one time deal as Kloves was dealing with another movie.


exactly.

[Mr. Socko]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3006/114cv4.jpg

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1043/115ok0.jpg

Mugglenet took this off because they're leaked.

Been looking everywhere for these, thanks!

[Gonking]

Mugglenet took this off because they're leaked.

Been looking everywhere for these, thanks!

yeah, I took them from Harry Latino :up:

[The Kid]

What Wesyeed's looking forward to in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix!

Hi, well I know you've all been dying to know what I can't wait to see in OotP. :hyper: So today, my friends, I will tell you all what I look forward to in the next chapter in the harry potter story. I look forward to seeing some interaction between Ginny and Harry to foreshadow their :heart: :heart: in the next film. The little bit we enjoyed in Chambers was definitely showing me there was some good chemistry between Radcliffe and Bonnie that should blossom into full onscreen love once they lock lips later on in Half blood! Yeah, baby.

I also look forward to cho's reaction to the death of Cedric Diggory too. This part of the book really interested me more than the main plots and stuff. Cho having to deal with the death of her boyfriend like that while trying to form a new relationship with harry is truly tragic, and very unusual situation for someone to develope that kind of relationship. How she grows as a character should be interesting. I felt her character in the film was just perfectly lovely and the next one should show the result of her loss, how she's having difficulty moving pass Cedric to fully give harry her love. I hope to see Ginny observing these issues during some scenes to show she acknowledges why harry's having trouble in his relationship.

Beyond that, I want some plot hole clean-up. I want this film to tell us what priori incantartum is. And I want the flashback to reveal who padfoot, prongs, and wormtail are so people who haven't read the books won't be lost. I've given them the benefit of a doubt so far with these missing details because the story still is incomplete, but if they gloss over them again or don't cover these necessary elements in future films, we'll have some problems.

That is all. Wands at the ready in 2007! woo hoo!

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Who doesn't care about Weyseed's opinion!!!

Ultimate Movie-Man
and everyone else


lol jks :heart::heart:

I'd get my wand ready...only I don't have one...except the one attached to my body...

OMG...OotP is being released here in Australia August 9th...WHY?!?!? WHY!?!?!?

At least I think it's August ninth...

[Gonking]

^ Lmao :woot:

[The Kid]

Who doesn't care about Weyseed's opinion!!!

Ultimate Movie-Man
and everyone else


lol jks :heart::heart:

I'd get my wand ready...only I don't have one...except the one attached to my body...

OMG...OotP is being released here in Australia August 9th...WHY?!?!? WHY!?!?!?

At least I think it's August ninth...

Why don't you care? You don't like me???? :csad: I like you. :heart:

[mclay18]

OMG...OotP is being released here in Australia August 9th...WHY?!?!? WHY!?!?!?

At least I think it's August ninth...

What rock have you been living under? According to official sources (like this (http://www.hpana.com/news.19558.html) link), the OOTP release date for Australia has been bumped up to July 12th after many complaints about the September release date. So you Aussie fans will get to see it one day ahead of the U.S. and the U.K.

[Gonking]

Casting for Half-Blood Prince underway
The Iceland Review has a short article detailing local Icelandic actor Jon Pall Eyjolfsson, who recently traveled to England to audition for a role in Half-Blood Prince:

"Everything is in a very sensitive stage but it is certainly exciting and it would be great if I get the role. I have met the people who are behind this film and I have read from the script. At this stage you only get to see parts of the script and there is a lot of secrecy about this whole thing."

Eyjolfsson has already been invited back for another audition round, and he will know in May whether or not he got the yet-to-be-revealed role (rumored to be Young Voldemort/Tom Riddle).


Morfin?

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5963/13268897rk6.jpg

[LEX]

OMG...OotP is being released here in Australia August 9th...WHY?!?!? WHY!?!?!?

At least I think it's August ninth...
Um... what?

Unless you were being sarcastic, we're getting it on the same day as the rest of the world. Not only that, but cinema sites everywhere such as Hoyts have it listed for release on that date. I thought you'd be all over this thing. You scared me for a moment there, buddy. Lay off the epinephrine, please.

Again, if you were being entirely sarcastic, I didn't catch it.

Gonking, that was exactly my first thought. It says the role is rumored to be young Voldemort, which disappointed me. He doesn't really give off that vibe. More like Morfin's. Personally, I'd bring Coulson back for that role. He hasn't aged much since CoS and, as I recall, he said once that he'd be happy to reprise his role. WB would be crazy not to bring him back.

[mclay18]

J.K.R. has a clause in her movie deal with Warner Brothers that only U.K. actors could be cast in British roles and so forth in the movie adaptations (well Frances de la Tour played Madame Maxime, so there have been exceptions). I would imagine Eyjolffson tested for the role of Fenrir Greyback, since the first name is Icelandic and he has that wild look about him (or probably Morfin). I can't imagine the casting directors casting Eyjolffson as young Voldemort, he doesn't look much like Coulson or Fiennes at all.

If anything, bring Christian Coulson back for filming of the flashbacks scenes with Hepzibah Smith and/or the scene where Tom asks Slughorn about Horcruxes. Coulson is perfect and he's not busy with other projects, then bring him back for HBP. Keeping the same actors for the eventual HP septology really helps maintain continuity between films.

[Gonking]

Gonking, that was exactly my first thought. It says the role is rumored to be young Voldemort, which disappointed me. He doesn't really give off that vibe. More like Morfin's. Personally, I'd bring Coulson back for that role. He hasn't aged much since CoS and, as I recall, he said once that he'd be happy to reprise his role. WB would be crazy not to bring him back.

yeah, totally. WB should bring him back. My doubt is who will they cast to play Voldemort when he comes back to Howarts and asks Dumbledore to teach Defence Against the Dark Arts. I hope Fiennes.

[Gonking]

J.K.R. has a clause in her movie deal with Warner Brothers that only U.K. actors could be cast in British roles and so forth in the movie adaptations (well Frances de la Tour played Madame Maxime, so there have been exceptions). I would imagine Eyjolffson tested for the role of Fenrir Greyback, since the first name is Icelandic and he has that wild look about him (or probably Morfin). I can't imagine the casting directors casting Eyjolffson as young Voldemort, he doesn't look much like Coulson or Fiennes at all.

If anything, bring Christian Coulson back for filming of the flashbacks scenes with Hepzibah Smith and/or the scene where Tom asks Slughorn about Horcruxes. Coulson is perfect and he's not busy with other projects, then bring him back for HBP. Keeping the same actors for the eventual HP septology really helps maintain continuity between films.

good guess :up:

[LEX]

In that case, I have no problem whatsoever with him as Greyback. He looks close enough to what I pictured the character. Just buff up the guy a little, sprinkle a bit of Lycan hair on him and give him some short fangs, and we have a pedophile werewolf on our hands. Nice call.

Also, Leaky have put up a link to a new batch of magazine scans on their site. A few of interesting shots from behind the scenes, too.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1820/200704182309news7238899vo7.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1949/200704182309news1242955qc9.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5404/200704182309news4731532uc4.jpg

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7886/200704182310news1109401sk2.jpg

[mclay18]

The first behind-the-scenes pic I think is of Michael Wildman and Jason Piper talking between takes (they voice the centaurs in this movie and Daniel, Imelda and Emma probably needed someone to act off of). Of course, we know those two pics following it have David Yates talking to Daniel and Evanna about how they should do the thestrals scene. And the other one has David talking to the trio in between takes.

And then there's the pic that has the crew shooting a back view of Dumbledore talking in the Great Hall (you can see Slawomir Idziak standing behind making sure the lighting is done properly) and the final pic has Yates talking with Bonnie, John, James, and Rupert. The middle photo on page 97 looks like the crew is prepping the set for Snape's office or part of the Department of Mysteries set. I love that pic where Yates is rehearsing with Dan and Harry for the beginning scene, I wonder if the fan in front of them is to represent the dementors approaching...

Also, I wonder what scene at Hagrid's they are shooting. It might be the one when the trio comes to Hagrid's cabin after Hagrid returns.

[Mr. Socko]

If Yates does good, I'd like to see him back for the last two.

[Gonking]

I want Del Toro. He would be perfect.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

As long as he isn;t doing another Hellboy after the second one - but isn't he doing the trilogy of animated ones as well?

[Gonking]

yeah, and he is going to make Tarzan as well.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Guillermo del Toro ... making a Tarzan?

As long as it's as good as Disney's recent Tarzan film I'm up for it...but then again it's Guillermo del Toro so it has to be good.

[mad-sci]

Woohoo!!

From Comingsoon.net:- (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=19974)

Harry Potter 5 to Feature IMAX 3D Finale
Source: Warner Bros. Pictures
April 19, 2007


IMAX Corporation and Warner Bros. Pictures today announced that select scenes of the IMAX DMR® version of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix will be digitally converted into An IMAX 3D Experience®. IMAX Corporation plans to use its proprietary 2D to 3D conversion technology to transform approximately 20 minutes at the end of the film - which is being digitally re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound quality of The IMAX Experience® using IMAX DMR (Digital Re-Mastering) technology - into IMAX® 3D. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix will be released in IMAX® theatres and conventional theatres on July 13, 2007, and Warner Bros. Pictures will be the exclusive distributor of the film to IMAX theatres worldwide.

The film is based on the best-selling J.K. Rowling book and is the fifth installment of the widely successful "Harry Potter" film series. The previous installment of the series, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire which opened on November 18, 2005, shattered numerous IMAX 2D box office records at the time and has grossed more than $20 million in IMAX theatres worldwide.

"We are so pleased to be bringing audiences yet another outstanding 'Harry Potter' film to the big screen in both 35mm and IMAX theaters," said Dan Fellman, President of Domestic Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures. "This is the studio's biggest franchise to date, and we expect this highly-anticipated fifth film to play phenomenally well in all theaters throughout the summer."

"The 'Harry Potter' films are an enormous draw all over the world, and this film should prove to be no different," added Veronika Kwan-Rubinek, President of Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures International. "The last 20 minutes in IMAX 3D will add a new element of excitement to the Harry Potter experience, making this a must-see for fans of all ages. We're looking forward to a long and very successful run."

"We couldn't be happier to help bring this Harry Potter film to life in a new way," said IMAX Co-Chairmen and Co-CEOs Richard L. Gelfond and Bradley J. Wechsler. "IMAX theatres are the only place to experience this year's most anticipated movies in the world's most immersive format, and we anticipate that moviegoers will want to enjoy 'Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix' featuring scenes in IMAX 3D more than once."

"We are delighted to once again work with David Heyman and the Harry Potter team, and Warner Bros. Pictures on another memorable Harry Potter movie," added Greg Foster, Chairman and President of IMAX Filmed Entertainment. "We know that through the magic of IMAX, fans will already feel as is if they are right next to Harry, Ron and Hermione in IMAX's larger-than-life 2D format, and we are thrilled to treat them to an even more immersive experience with the finale of the film brought to you in IMAX 3D."


Just imagine - Dumbledore V Voldemort, in 3D!

[raybia]

Why don't you care? You don't like me???? :csad: I like you. :heart:

I liked you better when you had the "kid." :csad:

Bring back the kid! :heart:

[The Kid]

I liked you better when you had the "kid." :csad:

Bring back the kid! :heart:

What kid. :dry:



:ninja:

[raybia]

What kid. :dry:



:ninja:


WHAT!? You're kidding right?


Tristan "Superboy" Lake

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[Gonking]

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[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Um... what?

Unless you were being sarcastic, we're getting it on the same day as the rest of the world. Not only that, but cinema sites everywhere such as Hoyts have it listed for release on that date. I thought you'd be all over this thing. You scared me for a moment there, buddy. Lay off the epinephrine, please.

Again, if you were being entirely sarcastic, I didn't catch it.

Gonking, that was exactly my first thought. It says the role is rumored to be young Voldemort, which disappointed me. He doesn't really give off that vibe. More like Morfin's. Personally, I'd bring Coulson back for that role. He hasn't aged much since CoS and, as I recall, he said once that he'd be happy to reprise his role. WB would be crazy not to bring him back.

No I wasn't being sarcastic. It had like September 9th or something on Hoyts.

They have since updated their Coming Soon page :ninja:

[LEX]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7136/normal21yk9.jpgNice photos.

I can't make out what's happening there. The caption-worthy facial expression on Sirius notwithstanding, they're either really afraid or really, really exhilarated. I'm leaning toward the latter. I'll also go out on a limb here and say that's when Dumbledore steps in. Wouldn't be the first time they changed some stuff around from the books.

The other photo is pretty good, too. No doubt they're upset at all the commotion the twins are causing in the school. Apparently, Filch appears to be holding a mop. I'm hoping it's for cleaning a certain swamp, but that's probably just wishful thinking.

Isn't it about time we got a new trailer already? :down

[LEX]

No I wasn't being sarcastic. It had like September 9th or something on Hoyts.

They have since updated their Coming Soon page :ninja:

It was September 6th, actually. That's weird, unless the last time you checked said site was before the day when they decided to move up the date. And that was, I think, eight months ago. Either you or they needed to get with the program.

I wouldn't know about what goes on there, anyway. I frequent a different site, not Hoyts.

[Gonking]

Isn't it about time we got a new trailer already? :down


or at least a new poster

[The Kid]

WHAT!? You're kidding right?


Tristan "Superboy" Lake

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What is that, a chucky doll? :huh:

[LEX]

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[LEX]

Hopefully, this means a new trailer soon.

And I have a new favourite Harry Potter poster. Most of the posters from the first four movies have been pretty disappointing, IMO. Sloppy, blatant Photoshop work. For ONCE, Ron doesn't look like a complete wimp. Ginny looks spot-on, almost as if she's ready to kick some ass. Luna looks just like Luna as she's the only one not staring into the camera, lost in thought. Harry seems almost isolated from his friends, being in the center of it all. At the same time, he's not really alone if you think about it. You gotta go through his friends first, which is one of the reasons why I like this poster so much. If that's not thematic, I don't know what is.

How strange that Harry and Hermione are the only ones out of their school robes, but you could argue that they're the only ones out of the seven who grew up in the Muggle world. Which makes absolutely no sense at all. I don't really care either way. Just thought it seemed a bit odd.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Dude you go too deep IMO

Anyways - I liked the third poster with them in the forest and Hemrione's all sexed up...BUT THAT IS ONE HOT POSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!

It actually makes me want to see it in Imax...which unfortunately won't happen...I wanted to see SR in 3D - look where that went (eg nowehere).

Does Warner Bros have like a contract with Imax? SR in 3D, HP5 in 3D, Catwoman was supposed to be in 3D...whats up?

[Dr. Fate]

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Not bad. Shame Ginny & Luna get stuck in the background.

[mclay18]

Does Warner Bros have like a contract with Imax? SR in 3D, HP5 in 3D, Catwoman was supposed to be in 3D...whats up?

Nope. Warner Bros. really want to find new ways of having people go see movies, so they utilize IMAX to help promote some of their biggest films and attract more crowds to see their movies in a totally different way. I do remember the IMAX 3D showings of Superman Returns were still going strong even after the film went out of regular theaters. And The Polar Express and The Ant Bully are the only WB films to be fully shown in IMAX 3D.

And Catwoman was originally supposed to be simultaneously released in IMAX theaters as well (not a 3D version), but reshoots and special effects shots didn't come in on time for it to be mastered for IMAX screens.

But most of the time, WB just masters their film releases such as Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Poseidon, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Batman Begins and V for Vendetta for regular IMAX only.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Ginny looks good in the poster. :up:

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Is IMAX worth it?

I Imagine it would be too much for the senses especially in a high visual content film like this.

[raybia]

Hopefully, this means a new trailer soon.

And I have a new favourite Harry Potter poster. Most of the posters from the first four movies have been pretty disappointing, IMO. Sloppy, blatant Photoshop work. For ONCE, Ron doesn't look like a complete wimp. Ginny looks spot-on, almost as if she's ready to kick some ass. Luna looks just like Luna as she's the only one not staring into the camera, lost in thought. Harry seems almost isolated from his friends, being in the center of it all. At the same time, he's not really alone if you think about it. You gotta go through his friends first, which is one of the reasons why I like this poster so much. If that's not thematic, I don't know what is.

How strange that Harry and Hermione are the only ones out of their school robes, but you could argue that they're the only ones out of the seven who grew up in the Muggle world. Which makes absolutely no sense at all. I don't really care either way. Just thought it seemed a bit odd.


Or maybe they just want to show her assets.

[mad-sci]

Dude, just imagine...


Dumbledore Vs. Lord Voldemort, with spells including sparying water and a FIRE DRAGON - 30 feet tall, and in 3D!!!

[raybia]

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This is Ginny's first poster appearance. Looks like they are setting up the Love Connection.

[raybia]

What is that, a chucky doll? :huh:

Wow. You're a deadbeat dad. :csad: :cmad:

[Gonking]

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wow, Emma looks bigger, in all sense

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Dude, just imagine...


Dumbledore Vs. Lord Voldemort, with spells including sparying water and a FIRE DRAGON - 30 feet tall, and in 3D!!!

Wait a tick dick where does
FIRE Dragon come in? This is during the fireworks the Twins set off?

[mad-sci]

Wait a tick dick where does

FIRE Dragon come in? This is during the fireworks the Twins set off?

Yes, it does happen early on as a visual spectacle but...

in the DD/LV duel, DD uses a water ball against LV, LV unleashes a Fire Dragon to kill Harry and DD, and other effects - It's an exagerated effects extravaganza from the book, sort of like the extended Dragon/Harry scene in GOF film from book

[mad-sci]

From HPANA:- (http://www.hpana.com/news.19851.html)

The new full trailer for the film will have its worldwide online exclusive showing on AOL.co.ukopens in new window on Sunday. The trailer should be live by late afternoon/early evening UK time.

This trailer will be longer and show more from the film than the teaser we have seen before.

[Gonking]

great news :up:

[Dr. Fate]

What is that, a chucky doll? :huh:
Certainly looks like one.

[AssMan]

I am looking forward to the new trailer this Sunday

[Gonking]

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[mclay18]

wow, Emma looks bigger, in all sense

No, I think she and Rupert are both equally large in the IMAX poster. I did wish we had a bigger high-res version of this poster than what IMAX supplied for it's internet debut, but I suppose the actual size posters are being put up in all the venues that have IMAX theaters.

Oh, the images and news are just pouring about OOTP. I can't wait for it and the final book to be released. Bring on the international trailer! :woot:

Is IMAX worth it?

I Imagine it would be too much for the senses especially in a high visual content film like this.

If you've been to an IMAX theater before, then yes, it is worth it. (It also proves very profitable for both Warner Bros. and IMAX, because movies like 300, Superman Returns and Harry Potter and Goblet of Fire have grossed $20 million from their IMAX shows alone, and it only costs IMAX only $2 - $3 million to digitally remaster the movies for their special screens.) I have not seen a full-length movie in IMAX (only 2 short documentaries and one 3-D short film) but it would be quite spectacular just on the sheer screen size and digital surround sound. The finale in OOTP should be doubly so in 3D.

And yes, even though IMAX showings are a couple dollars more (or pounds or Euros, depending on where you live), the experience is definitely worth investing the extra money. Although I think one should view OOTP in the biggest non-IMAX screen possible, then go see the 3D version in IMAX on the second viewing so you'll know what to expect. Even though the finale (and not select scenes like Superman Returns) is 20 minutes, I think the transitions to and back from 3D would be jarring.

[Mr. Socko]

I've heard about 50 comments on Hermione's breasts so far...add another 10 from this thread...that brings the total to 60.

IMAX....wow, I've only seen one other movie in IMAX3D before and it was the best thing ever. I never got around to seeing SR in 3D, but I wasn't a big fan so didn't really care. But I would sell my soul to see this in 3D. Just imagine Dumbledore vs Voldemort...in 3D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LEX]

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[Mr. Socko]

Nice threads.

[Marvolo]

What is it with the lighting in this movie? In all the pictures released the lighting has been horrible. Look at the windows on the train and the picture of Hermione and Nevile held hostage by Malfoy and Goyle in Umbridge's Office is overly bright. When pictures of the previous films were released they looked normal, but these look like something you would see on some cheap T.V. show. Is it because the director is a T.V. director?

[LEX]

Dude you go too deep IMO
Well, I'm no casual fan, if that's what you mean. I haven't even begun to comment on the positioning of the logo and the funny irony behind the distance between Ginny's wand and Cho's head, unlike some. Although, it's nice to see that you care. By the by, major props for using the lyrics from one of my secret favourite films.

I imagine seeing the Dumbledore/Voldemort wand fight in 3D will be extremely pleasing, visual-wise, so consider myself sold. The nearest IMAX from here is almost an hour drive away, and I'm almost certain it'll be showing there. It's showing 300 at the moment and will be showing Spider-Man 3 come May, so I fail to see why they wouldn't show Harry Potter as well. The last time I saw a film in 3D was somewhere in the last half decade and it was a short documentary, at least that's what I think it was, about dinosaurs. That was nice. This'll be a welcome treat back into 3D because I usually don't like sitting through an entire film while wearing one of those glasses, not to mention waiting in long lines before actually getting inside. Anyway, it'll be scrumptious.

As for the new trailer, it's about time we got something. I'm looking forward to it.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Now that is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.

Crappy lightening? I've heard of wrong costume, wrong casting but...CRAPPY LIGHTENING?

[Mr. Socko]

I'd guess, yes.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

The poster said the lightening in all the movies was crappy, then asks is it because the director is from TV....it's changed directors four times over five movies...

How can it be because of one director? Did he go back and edit the other movies when he was bored :confused:

But yes, David Yates has directed TV shows and TV movies...but it's not him who does the special effects, now is it?

[Mr. Socko]

Did he go back and edit the other movies when he was bored

Lol

Anyway you're right. The Cinematographer is the one who does the lighting and all that snap.

So far, I think Yates is on the right track.

Btw, I heard a trailer is coming out tomorrow?

[The Apocalypse]

Here is the link to the new trailer..it looks amazing actually

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GLud6yM47u8

Also USA today is reporting that a new trailer will be released with Spider-Man 3 on May 4th. Here is the link. http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-04-22-harry-potter-trailer_N.htm?csp=34

Here are the pics if you're to lazy to open the link :woot:

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[Gonking]

The trailer is great!

Voldemort looks badass :up:

[OtepApe]

That trailer is actually quite impressive.

I hope the the movie keeps the quality of the trailer. Although there were a couple of things that seem to concern me, but I will leave that.

[Gonking]

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[Gonking]

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[DBeIIa]

My fellow Harry Potter- heads! Vote for your old buddy Matt in this thread!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11555447&posted=1#post11555447

Its me, Matt by the way. I got confused :(

[mclay18]

That trailer is actually quite impressive.

I hope the the movie keeps the quality of the trailer. Although there were a couple of things that seem to concern me, but I will leave that.

Such as Harry seeing Voldemort at Platform 9 3/4? It seems more like a representation of Harry's hallucinations due to the magical connection the two share. Not a bad addition, though.

Honestly, the only thing I'm a bit miffed about is the semi-new look for the dementors. They seem thinner and more skeletal... did they go on a diet during GOF? ;)

HBC looks genuinely freaky in that Azkaban pic, glad Bellatrix cleans up nicely after her escape.

[Storm22]

The trailer looked amazing! Right up there in my top 3 favourite trailers this year! Really looking forward to seeing this film now.

[Buford The Sly]

Anyone find a downloadable link of the trailer?

[War Party]

The film looks great and I hope it lives up to this trailer. I'm looking forward to seeing the domestic trailer with Spider-Man 3.

[Dr. Fate]

I've heard about 50 comments on Hermione's breasts so far...add another 10 from this thread...that brings the total to 60.

Add another 40 and you'll get 100 comments on Hermione's breasts.


IMAX....wow, I've only seen one other movie in IMAX3D before and it was the best thing ever. I never got around to seeing SR in 3D, but I wasn't a big fan so didn't really care. But I would sell my soul to see this in 3D. Just imagine Dumbledore vs Voldemort...in 3D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It would without doubt look uber-cool.

[Ebil Gig]

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Oh yes. How sad. I suspect lots of tears from fangirls in this part.

Anyway, that was an amazing trailer! One of the best HP trailer ever. One thing I don't like is the dementors new ghostly "skeletal" look. I liked the PoA dementors quite nice.

I loved how they showed Luna doing her patronus, Dumbledore's phoenix exit, Fred and George's grand exit, and Voldy in the suit at King's Cross. This movie will surely rox my sox off.

[Gonking]

HD Pics

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[Speedball]

OMG!!!
That trailer was AMAZING!!!
It blew POTC out of the water and knocked Spider-man off his web.
I loved the music, LOVED IT!!!
And the scene with Harry and Voldemort at the train station, OMG!!! I think I died and just came back, that was so awesome.

[Speedball]

Anyone find a downloadable link of the trailer?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/40h2f3
Here ya go.
Thank the people over at CS, not me.

[The Apocalypse]

I new trailer is supposed to be coming out tomorrow at 9am EST and 6am PST on yahoo.com. This is according to http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/

There is a description of the new trailer on the main page of the site just in case anyone doesn't want to see it.