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ohmshalone
02-04-2006, 02:13 PM
title's straight-forward enough...
No, not really. :confused:
-_- Mods need to close this thing before the gay bashing begins.
-_- Mods need to close this thing before the gay bashing begins.
This is a gay bashing thread? How- oh. :(
"the title is straight forward enough"...
read the title.
"the title is straight forward enough"...
read the title.
No, I just realised.
:(
Pickle-El
02-04-2006, 02:43 PM
Oh, how the school systems have failed.
Oh, how the school systems have failed.
I don't see what school has to do with homophobia.
ROBOCOP CPU001
02-04-2006, 02:47 PM
I will attempt to make this a proper thread..
With Kryptonite I would think..with superman weakend the suit reacts to him...
ON A SERIOUS NOTE: Maybe in Singers continuity only lifeforms from krypton is industrucable?
WhatsHisFace
02-04-2006, 02:55 PM
Muahahaha... "penetrate"...
ROBOCOP CPU001
02-04-2006, 02:57 PM
I don't think the guy intentionally was talking about what you guys are impliying...excersis a little maturity.
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Cinemaman
02-04-2006, 02:57 PM
I don't understand what about this thread
ROBOCOP CPU001
02-04-2006, 03:01 PM
^^
don't try to.
Emerald Knight
02-04-2006, 03:15 PM
I thought that Singer stated that it was Superman that was invulnerable...not the suit. I could be wrong though...
That serious enough for ya, Robo? ;)
ROBOCOP CPU001
02-04-2006, 03:15 PM
I thought that Singer stated that it was Superman that was invulnerable...not the suit. I could be wrong though...
you are right sir.
:up:
I thought the suit was indestructible. It was in the old movies.
Venom71
02-04-2006, 03:46 PM
I thought the suit was indestructible. It was in the old movies.
Different continuity. I believe Singer has said we will see the suit messed up. Don't ask me when or where I just recall reading that on the boards at some point.
Different continuity.Now venom, we've been over this. I believe Singer has said we will see the suit messed up. Don't ask me when or where I just recall reading that on the boards at some point.Must be after being affected by the red sun.
ohmshalone
02-04-2006, 03:53 PM
OH SCHITTE!! LOL!!! Sorry guys, I made a big mistake.
i meant lex:
How will LEX penetrate a "virtually indestructible" suit?
honest mistake, sorry :)
EDIT: okay back on topic: the suit doesn't lose its invulnerability due to kryptonite. I think SR implies that the actual material is Virtually indestructible. So how is lex gonna pierce :supes: with it?
Venom71
02-04-2006, 03:58 PM
Now venom, we've been over this
Yeah I know..and I am right..as usual :p
Must be after being affected by the red sun.
Well I guess once in awhile you get to be right..you are probably right with that one.
ohmshalone
02-04-2006, 03:59 PM
I will attempt to make this a proper thread..
lol, thanks for the support. I feel like an Englishman in Japan :D
ROBOCOP CPU001
02-04-2006, 04:03 PM
lol, thanks for the support. I feel like an Englishman in Japan :D
We can be very childish sometimes..
:D
but your welcome.
I don't think the guy intentionally was talking about what you guys are impliying...excersis a little maturity.
.
If he didnt intentional mean what we are implying, he wouldnt have said "title's straight-forward enough..."
Weadazoid
02-04-2006, 05:34 PM
How is it soooooooooooooooo
Impervious to being ripped...
I mean the thing had to be shaped out of the friggin blanked it's not like it came as the suit when Clak was boy..didn't ma kent sew it togeather
if it can be sowed it can be ripped destoryed et ect
Weadazoid
02-04-2006, 05:35 PM
How is it soooooooooooooooo
Impervious to being ripped...
I mean the thing had to be shaped out of the friggin blanket it's not like it came as the suit when Clak was boy..didn't ma kent sew it togeather
if it can be sowed it can be ripped destoryed et ect
ohmshalone
02-04-2006, 05:59 PM
If he didnt intentional mean what we are implying, he wouldnt have said "title's straight-forward enough..."
ooh boy! The point of this thread was to ask how lex is gonna stab supes if the suit is indestructible. I hope it goes back on course. Like I said, I'm sorry for the confusion. I should have had a Coke to wipe that tiredness away when I was typing the title :)
How is it soooooooooooooooo
Impervious to being ripped...
I mean the thing had to be shaped out of the friggin blanket it's not like it came as the suit when Clak was boy..didn't ma kent sew it togeather
if it can be sowed it can be ripped destoryed et ect
It's a bit confusing. Actually, I think it's a plot-hole in pre-crisis, coz if the suit was indestructible, how DID ma kent sew it together.
Also, concerning post-crisis, I remember Matchesmalone once talking about how much he hated Byrne trying to anally cover every aspect of the mythos, including how he gave a reason to the threads of supe's costume and how it holds together...
Hunter Rider
02-04-2006, 06:31 PM
Damn im to late to crack a funny:(
ReTrO JuNkIe 42
02-04-2006, 06:41 PM
Is Singer gonna adress how he changes in and out of the costume, or are they just gonna do that little blur thing they did in the Donner movies ?
skruloos
02-04-2006, 06:51 PM
Is Singer gonna adress how he changes in and out of the costume, or are they just gonna do that little blur thing they did in the Donner movies ?
They're actually going to show Routh change into Superman in full detail. And by full detail I really mean full frontal. Not for any other reason than just pissing off nitpicky fanboys.
kiuju2k
02-04-2006, 07:15 PM
So your implying that lex will stab superman? Are you kidding me?
explode7
02-04-2006, 07:28 PM
^That seems a little too graphic for little children don't you think?
Hunter Rider
02-04-2006, 07:28 PM
So your implying that lex will stab superman? Are you kidding me?
No.it has been known for a while
Superman79
02-04-2006, 07:31 PM
My only thing with this is I really would hate for Singer to go the whole Spiderman "battle-damaged" suit thing...you know...I wasn't a fan, yeah it was realistic...but, well I forgot where I was going with this, but I'd rather not see Supes fighting in a shredded costume unless he's fighting Doomsday...shredded cape a la the comics ok, but shredded suit no go...IMHO
Charliehorse43
02-04-2006, 07:39 PM
I the classic comics Clark cut the thread in the cloth with his heat vision and then unravel some of the it be used to sew the suit. I think that he may have made a needle out of a small piece of his space ship so that she could sew it.
Weadazoid
02-04-2006, 07:51 PM
So the space ship can cut the suite
Joy
too weird
Weadazoid
02-04-2006, 07:53 PM
oh and while we are on the topic of suits...where does he get the Bronze one from..you know the one he apparently wears in the ship..
Is that made out this indistructable Kryptonina fiber as well..or is that you know just normal..
how can you tell the difference
thechubbysaint
02-04-2006, 09:40 PM
Isn't the explanation for the suit always being perfect something about an 'aura' that always surrounds superman?
If so, then I can see kryptonite piercing that 'aura.'
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As for attacking the thread starter, you have to be better than Evel Kneival to make the jump in logic about this thread being about gay bashing.
Mentok
02-05-2006, 11:26 AM
From Singer,
"bullets bounce off him, not the suit"
"the suit is a product of Kryptonian technology".
I doubt the suit will get damaged (apart from the stabbing) but the cape will get torn up.
What's funny is that the suit is very delicate in real life. Remember Routh wasn't allowed to gain any weight at all during filming or the suit will tear, and that Singer told off Spacey for tounching the symbol because it was really easy to break. :D
A few things to point out, In Donners Superman: The Movie, the suit appeared to be bestowed to kal-El from Jor-El. It was never shown, ma Kent making the super-duds for her son.
Also, the suit is Kryptonian technology. That does not mean the costume gets any power from earths yellow sun. It is not an organic, living entity that kal-El is. It is simply fibers from another planet.
AsteroidMan
02-05-2006, 11:54 AM
oh and while we are on the topic of suits...where does he get the Bronze one from..you know the one he apparently wears in the ship..
I assume it was grown by a crystal just like the ship and the FOS. In other words, "The FOS made it".
dr collossus
02-05-2006, 12:39 PM
From Singer,
"bullets bounce off him, not the suit"
:up: Exactly. Why would Supes need an indestructible suit?
oh and while we are on the topic of suits...where does he get the Bronze one from..you know the one he apparently wears in the ship..
Easy. He came in third place at the Kryptonian Olympics. The Gold and Silver suits were awarded to the first and second place winners...respectively.
Weadazoid
02-05-2006, 01:04 PM
I assume it was grown by a crystal just like the ship and the FOS. In other words, "The FOS made it".
well if that the case why not grow an entire wardrobe from crystal..
I would be so hooked up.... wouldn't have to worry about job..
Cause hey Crystal can probubly make him a ham samitch too
Cause hey Crystal can probubly make him a ham samitch too
As crazy as that comment is, it somehow makes sense...which scares the bejeezus out of me.
dr collossus
02-05-2006, 02:05 PM
Where did this idea that the suit was indestructible come from? Granted it doesn't exactly look frail, and looks like it offers Superman more protection than he needs, but I don't remember anyone saying it was indestructible.
Kabuki_Jo
02-05-2006, 02:39 PM
How is it soooooooooooooooo
Impervious to being ripped...
I mean the thing had to be shaped out of the friggin blanked it's not like it came as the suit when Clak was boy..didn't ma kent sew it togeather
if it can be sowed it can be ripped destoryed et ect
But Superman's skin isn't.
Wonder how te doctors will treat him...
When he reaches the hospital, the kryptonite dagger will be far away from him, to stop him from dying to the effects of kryptonite.
so the yellow sun starts acting again and changing Superman's skin to a steel rigid form once again...
How are the doctors gonna treat the wound?
Do they have the technology to understand Superman's alien DNA?
Or maybe Superman's has a mutant ability called "healing factor", which might explain "his son" being a telepath ( mutant )...
Where did this idea that the suit was indestructible come from? Granted it doesn't exactly look frail, and looks like it offers Superman more protection than he needs, but I don't remember anyone saying it was indestructible.
It was indestructible in the old movies.
But Superman's skin isn't.
Wonder how te doctors will treat him...
When he reaches the hospital, the kryptonite dagger will be far away from him, to stop him from dying to the effects of kryptonite.
so the yellow sun starts acting again and changing Superman's skin to a steel rigid form once again...
How are the doctors gonna treat the wound?
Do they have the technology to understand Superman's alien DNA?
Or maybe Superman's has a mutant ability called "healing factor", which might explain "his son" being a telepath ( mutant )...
BAH! Superman is not the kids daddy! I refuse to believe it. Actually, come to think of it, I don't rightly care either way.
Or maybe Superman's has a mutant ability called "healing factor", which might explain "his son" being a telepath ( mutant )...
His 'son' isn't a telepath. Or even officially his son for that matter.
Why would Superman have a "Mutant ability" known as "healing factor"? Superman is not a mutant. He is an alien. Just out of curiosity, can someone point me to where the whole telepathic kid info is located? I have never seen this before.
Why would Superman have a "Mutant ability" known as "healing factor"? Superman is not a mutant. He is an alien. Just out of curiosity, can someone point me to where the whole telepathic kid info is located? I have never seen this before.This poster called Enigma2k said that his 'insiders' confirmed the kid had telepathic abilities. This same poster said the S on the costume would fit in the palm of your hand.
The suit HAS to be indestructible! Do you guys really want Brandon Routh as Superman to get in the middle of an explosion, and walk out from it naked??? Maybe the females would like that, but as a straight guy, I do NOT want to see a nekkid man!
The suit HAS to be indestructible! Do you guys really want Brandon Routh as Superman to get in the middle of an explosion, and walk out from it naked??? Maybe the females would like that, but as a straight guy, I do NOT want to see a nekkid man!
Um, you are the one imagining him walking around without any clothes. :p
dr collossus
02-05-2006, 04:23 PM
Dunno about the telepathic thing, but Superman DOES have a kind of healing power. When exposed to the rays of a yellow sun he heals almost instantaneously (in certain continuity interpretations).
krisboyuk
02-05-2006, 06:39 PM
ANYTHING that Superman wears in invulnerable just like him, he has an aura that surrounds his body like a shield. At least that is the best scientific reasoning that Post-Crisis can offer, IO personally think you should just leave things like this up to suspension of belief. If the guy can fly do we really need to bicker about how his costume can get torn?
ohmshalone
02-05-2006, 06:54 PM
Where did this idea that the suit was indestructible come from? Granted it doesn't exactly look frail, and looks like it offers Superman more protection than he needs, but I don't remember anyone saying it was indestructible.
funny, I thought Singer mentioned that the suit was "virtually indestructible" somewhere, but after googling the words, it seems like he said it about adamantium in the x-movies.
so i guess the explanation's all up to "suspension of disbelief" then...
Venom71
02-05-2006, 09:11 PM
This poster called Enigma2k said that his 'insiders' confirmed the kid had telepathic abilities. This same poster said the S on the costume would fit in the palm of your hand.
And from the official pics we have seen we can tell that isn't true...so I guess Jason White isn't telepathic. :D
Naite22
02-06-2006, 12:39 AM
How will Singer penetrate a "virtually indestructible" suit?.... Let me take a crack at it.. Seeing how supermans suit is made by kryptonian techknowledgy, it propably has the same weaknesess as superman him self, therefor the kryptonian dagger can pennetrate it!
CGHulk
02-06-2006, 12:45 AM
How will Singer penetrate a "virtually indestructible" suit?.... Let me take a crack at it.. Seeing how supermans suit is made by kryptonian techknowledgy, it propably has the same weaknesess as superman him self, therefor the kryptonian dagger can pennetrate it!
Exactly what I was thinking! ;) :up:
Mentok
02-06-2006, 12:56 AM
My guess is they will go with the theory that Supes is like a giant solar cell. He absorbs energy from the sun (how he gets his powers... duh :p ) and this solar power creates a thin field around him... thus the suit is normal.
Or they could just not explain it at all.
CMilano
02-06-2006, 12:59 AM
*sighs* Okay, the suit from the original 4 superman movies, was made from the blankets that Kal-El was wrapped in when he came to Earth. The blankets were a silky red, blue and yellow fabric. When he goes north to build the FOS, he takes the green crystal out of his bag to throw it, you can clearly see the blankets that he came in, are inside of that bag, if you watch that scene you can see them. Donner's commentary on the 2001 release even stated that they showed the blankets in both scenes so that the audiences would know that that's what the suit was made out of. Apparently though they didn't do this well enough...
dr collossus
02-06-2006, 02:23 AM
^^And?
And from the official pics we have seen we can tell that isn't true...so I guess Jason White isn't telepathic. :D
That's what I meant...
A few things to point out, In Donners Superman: The Movie, the suit appeared to be bestowed to kal-El from Jor-El. It was never shown, ma Kent making the super-duds for her son.
Also, the suit is Kryptonian technology. That does not mean the costume gets any power from earths yellow sun. It is not an organic, living entity that kal-El is. It is simply fibers from another planet.
In Donner's film it is very clear that the raw materials are the "blankets" that were in Kal el's ship. The same material is also present in Clark's backpack as he journey's to the location of the FOS (visible when he removes the green crystal form the pack).
The film lacks any concrete explanation of the suit's origin, but includes the detail regarding the raw materials of the suit, a detail which is part and parcel of the Martha Kent as seamstress mythos; so if anything the Donner film at least hints at an adherence to that origin.
Re. peircing the suit.....as has already been proposed the suit would lose its invulnerability under a red sun. If in fact Luthor's "FOS" is bathed in red sun radiation, then the suit would be vulnerable to damage. This assumes adherence to the fact that all Kryptonian materials also become "super" under a yellow sun. Kryptonite would not affect the invulnerable properties of the suit.
Kabuki_Jo
02-06-2006, 10:14 AM
One question: How is Superman able to fly during the night when there's no yellow sun up?
Mentok
02-06-2006, 10:27 AM
he dosen't need constant sunlight for his powers
:(
IKnowSomeJudo
02-06-2006, 12:43 PM
WHY HE'LL PENETRATE IT WITH THE HELP OF KRYPTONITE-POWERED KERMIT OF COURSE!
http://forthecraic.net/animations/page1/kermitsex.gif
WHY HE'LL PENETRATE IT WITH THE HELP OF KRYPTONITE-POWERED KERMIT OF COURSE!
http://forthecraic.net/animations/page1/kermitsex.gif
And there is the difinitive answer. I think this thread can successfully be closed now. Good work! :)
In Donner's film it is very clear that the raw materials are the "blankets" that were in Kal el's ship. The same material is also present in Clark's backpack as he journey's to the location of the FOS (visible when he removes the green crystal form the pack).
I didn't find it to be "very clear". It certainly didn't look like enough raw material to fashion a suit to fit a man that is 6' 4". Oh well. I suppose this is certainly plausible though.
Just to mention since it seems to be a common misconception, perhaps fueled by it's mis-use in "Smallville"; Green Kryptonite does not negate Superman's invulnerability. It is toxic to Superman and is fatal if the exposure is over a prolonged period of time, but that's it!
A knife or bullet made of Green Kryptonite is no effective as a weapon than any other material.
Just to mention since it seems to be a common misconception, perhaps fueled by it's mis-use in "Smallville"; Green Kryptonite does not negate Superman's invulnerability. It is toxic to Superman and is fatal if the exposure is over a prolonged period of time, but that's it!
A knife or bullet made of Green Kryptonite is no effective as a weapon than any other material.
This doesn't sound right. Millions of times in the comics I have seen Superman lose his invulnerability thanks to kryptonite.
dr collossus
02-06-2006, 03:43 PM
This doesn't sound right. Millions of times in the comics I have seen Superman lose his invulnerability thanks to kryptonite.
This is true, but not in the sense that it makes him lose his powers. It weakens him, and if the dosage/duration of exposure is high enough, it can weaken him to the point where his skin can be pierced. Once he is seperated from the kryptonite, his invulnerability returns.
dr collossus
02-06-2006, 03:46 PM
Actually, you know what would be an effect I would LOVE to see in a Superman movie? I would love to see him get radiation sickness from exposure to kryptonite - ya know, lesions on his skin, his hair starting to fall out, vomitting - but all happening over the space of a few seconds as if seen with a time lapse effect. And then him healing when he is no longer exposed to the kryptonite. I think that would be cool.
This is true, but not in the sense that it makes him lose his powers. It weakens him, and if the dosage/duration of exposure is high enough, it can weaken him to the point where his skin can be pierced. Once he is seperated from the kryptonite, his invulnerability returns.
My understanding is that Green Kryptonite exposure creates severe and instant weakness, a debillitating weakness that prevents him from utilizing his active powers, strength, heat vision, etc. rendering him helpless, and long exposure will be fatal, but his invulnerability which is passive in nature will still protect him from physical harm.
Remember we are talking Green Kryptonite here not all Kryptonite. Gold Kryptonite tho not fatal will strip him permanently of his powers.
JAKnighton
02-07-2006, 04:58 PM
My understanding is that Green Kryptonite exposure creates severe and instant weakness, a debillitating weakness that prevents him from utilizing his active powers, strength, heat vision, etc. rendering him helpless, and long exposure will be fatal, but his invulnerability which is passive in nature will still protect him from physical harm.
I distinctly remember seeing a picture of Superman being shot by green kryptonite bullets.
I distinctly remember seeing a picture of Superman being shot by green kryptonite bullets.
I could be mistaken, I've certainly been wrong before, or pehaps the mythos has been twisted over time, ala "Smallville".
In any event I am 100% certain where the suit is involved; it is indestructable under the influence of a yellow sun and Kryptonite would not penetrate it.
JAKnighton
02-08-2006, 03:01 AM
I could be mistaken, I've certainly been wrong before, or pehaps the mythos has been twisted over time, ala "Smallville".This picture looked like it was from the late 70's/early 80's.
dr collossus
02-08-2006, 01:52 PM
Clark was shot with a kryptonite bullet in Smallville, but he has been shot with kryptonite bullets at least twice in the comics that I know of. Once by Bloodsport and once by Metallo.
ROBOCOP CPU001
02-08-2006, 02:29 PM
^^^
he was also shot in lois and clark with a Kryptonite bullit.
Blue Pulsar
08-06-2006, 02:19 PM
Hi, im new to the forum, but i would like to say a few things about this.
1: the suit is not impenitrable. however it is Kryptonian material in most continuities. Though im not sure about cannon. And as we know, Krypton as a civilization is highly advanced in technologies. I think that while not invulnerable like the wearer, it is probable more durable than any fabric that we would use, maybe even moreso than kevlar. Debates go on as to wheather or not Kryptonian materials get stronger in yellow sun radiation, but i doubt that they do.
2: 3 different types of "protection" (superpowers making heroes/villains tough to hurt) were mentioned in this thread when refering to Supes. And they are all correct. They are 1:invulnerablility, not much can pierce or break his skin. Its tougher than the hardest metal we know of 2: a "force field": it is skin tight and adds to his invulnerability, it also gives his suit SOME protection but not as much as we might think. It gets ripped more than i like to see. 3: instant healing (mentioned earlier as mutant healing, but that is not the correct word for it, its only refered to as that cuz wolverine is one of the few that have it and hes a mutant) this is the same we a human would heal themselves, only exponentially better.
3: Kryptonite has many different varietyies. there are main ones
green: most common, causes sickness and weakness, does not have a direct effect on his powers.. any of them. However as Supes gets weakened, so do his powers as a secondary effect (forgive me and the way i talk, i play City of Heroes) wich can make him more easily hurt.
red: effects attitude, it basically takes away his cares and causes him to not give a crap about anyone else. has absolutly no effect on his health or his powers
Gold: lesser known of the 3, it does not effect his attitude or his health, but will drain him of his powers. I have not read to much on this kind but i believe that it acts like red sunlite in that it will drain him of his power (yellow sunlight, well, actually the radiation that comes from a yellow sun. It has nothing to do with the actual visible light) wich brings me to another point
4: i have seen writers use red sunlight in ways that it really shouldnt work. ive see in weaken Supes instantaniously. It doesnt do this. It actually slowly drains him of his power. read "Return to Krypton" series of Supes Comics.
Now, as for getting shot but a green kryptonite bullet. it may work depending on how you look at it. If it was a high enough power rifle, then the amount of weakness that the green K causes could make his skin and force field weak enough to be penetrated. But that is the only way that i could see him being penetrated easily without Gold K.
In the movie when Lex stabs him with a green K shiv, that would not work according to any of the rules of Kryptonite unless he had a while to work it into supes (being that the radiation that green K gives off will build up and make Supes weaker and weaker over time).
So, how will Lex penetrate a "virtually indestructible" suit? my answer is "easier than supermans skin"
the suit is not "indestructible" and we should be worrying more about how hes going to actually to stab Superman.
ChrisBaleBatman
08-06-2006, 02:47 PM
He got hit with a Kryptonite bullet in BATMAN/SUPERMAN comics #1 I think.
I was a little surprised how long he lasted too, I mean.....he put up quite a fight, surviving the way he as Batman got him through the sewer system to get to the Batcave and operate on him.
The suit IS indestructible. That's pretty much why it never rips, shreds or anything. It's just a way to explain why he doesn't go to the Fortress every 5 minutes to change.
The comics have the same suit as well, and it's beginning to look more and more like the SR suit.
The Chibi Kiriyama
08-06-2006, 05:01 PM
The suit IS indestructible. That's pretty much why it never rips, shreds or anything. It's just a way to explain why he doesn't go to the Fortress every 5 minutes to change.
Before Byrne, perhaps. In the movies? No. Remember that Luthor manages to stab him with a Kryptonite shard, and that it penetrates the suit. My own theory on this: Superman Returns works with the bioelectric aura power that makes the suit impenetrable to intense heat and bullets but at the same time makes it vulnerable when Superman has said aura weakened by Kryptonite.
nogster
08-06-2006, 06:55 PM
what about the doctors people. dont they casually rip the suit off him in hospital???
and dont even get me started on the kryptonite contradiction in SR.??
this movie gets worse and worse over time.
Blue Pulsar
08-06-2006, 07:03 PM
He got hit with a Kryptonite bullet in BATMAN/SUPERMAN comics #1 I think.
I was a little surprised how long he lasted too, I mean.....he put up quite a fight, surviving the way he as Batman got him through the sewer system to get to the Batcave and operate on him.
The suit IS indestructible. That's pretty much why it never rips, shreds or anything. It's just a way to explain why he doesn't go to the Fortress every 5 minutes to change.
The comics have the same suit as well, and it's beginning to look more and more like the SR suit.
the suit IS NOT indestructible. Read the For Tomorrow series of superman comics. Its the only one iu can think of off hand but. we see it ripped often. It is more durable than any other earth fabric and is also protected by supes skin tight forcefield around him. Read my post right above yours.
And the suit, aside from the shades of red and blue, has not changed much at all in the past few decades.
Moododa
08-06-2006, 07:28 PM
Different continuity. I believe Singer has said we will see the suit messed up. Don't ask me when or where I just recall reading that on the boards at some point.
Messed up?
Poor Superman made a mess in his suit?
This is a funny thread.
TheBat812
08-06-2006, 07:57 PM
I don't see what school has to do with homophobia.
you don't?
ChrisBaleBatman
08-06-2006, 08:03 PM
Before Byrne, perhaps. In the movies? No. Remember that Luthor manages to stab him with a Kryptonite shard, and that it penetrates the suit. My own theory on this: Superman Returns works with the bioelectric aura power that makes the suit impenetrable to intense heat and bullets but at the same time makes it vulnerable when Superman has said aura weakened by Kryptonite.
Well, Kryptonite is the exception. It's always the exception.
But, it's been confirmed....in SR the suit is made of Kryptonian fabric, and it's not the aura thing. That's been taken out everywhere. Except ALL STAR, but that's out of coninuity.
the suit IS NOT indestructible. Read the For Tomorrow series of superman comics. Its the only one iu can think of off hand but. we see it ripped often. It is more durable than any other earth fabric and is also protected by supes skin tight forcefield around him. Read my post right above yours.
And the suit, aside from the shades of red and blue, has not changed much at all in the past few decades
That was like 2 years ago. It's been changed.
Read UP UP AND AWAY. It's part of the ONE YEAR LATER story. The suit resembles the SR costume more, the S looks more like a chestplate, the Fortress of Solitude has been re-done like the movies, and soon he'll be getting the S logo on his belt like SR as well.
FanboyX_Returns
08-06-2006, 08:12 PM
I don't see what school has to do with homophobia.
http://i5.tinypic.com/23u7fqf.jpg
I don't get it whats homophobic about this thread?
Blue Pulsar
08-06-2006, 08:21 PM
That was like 2 years ago. It's been changed.
Read UP UP AND AWAY. It's part of the ONE YEAR LATER story. The suit resembles the SR costume more, the S looks more like a chestplate, the Fortress of Solitude has been re-done like the movies, and soon he'll be getting the S logo on his belt like SR as well.
you mean the up up and away from 2004 by mark millar? didnt look any different to me, and the \s/ didnt look smaller and stupid like in SR and the boots werent saggy. it looked relatively normal like all the other comic artists draw them.
ChrisBaleBatman
08-06-2006, 08:23 PM
1: the suit is not impenitrable. however it is Kryptonian material in most continuities. Though im not sure about cannon. And as we know, Krypton as a civilization is highly advanced in technologies. I think that while not invulnerable like the wearer, it is probable more durable than any fabric that we would use, maybe even moreso than kevlar. Debates go on as to wheather or not Kryptonian materials get stronger in yellow sun radiation, but i doubt that they do.
Far as I've heard, and read.....it's not organic. It's simply stronger than any other material on the planet. So, blluets....explosions.....natural diasters....they don't rip, shred or hurt the suit at all.
Atleast, that's as far as I know it can go.
But, magic....Kryptonite....those are all exceptions. But, the "indestructible" suit is back in canon. The aura is taken out. ALL STAR SUPERMAN, out of coniutity, has it though.
: 3 different types of "protection" (superpowers making heroes/villains tough to hurt) were mentioned in this thread when refering to Supes. And they are all correct. They are 1:invulnerablility, not much can pierce or break his skin. Its tougher than the hardest metal we know of 2: a "force field": it is skin tight and adds to his invulnerability, it also gives his suit SOME protection but not as much as we might think. It gets ripped more than i like to see. 3: instant healing (mentioned earlier as mutant healing, but that is not the correct word for it, its only refered to as that cuz wolverine is one of the few that have it and hes a mutant) this is the same we a human would heal themselves, only exponentially better.
Well, the suit can be seen as portection....but that'd be pointless since he's strong either way. He can take it. But, the suit just doesn't rip anymore. It used to, but it's been retconned. The aura thing, the force field is out.
3: Kryptonite has many different varietyies. there are main ones
green: most common, causes sickness and weakness, does not have a direct effect on his powers.. any of them. However as Supes gets weakened, so do his powers as a secondary effect (forgive me and the way i talk, i play City of Heroes) wich can make him more easily hurt.
Gold: lesser known of the 3, it does not effect his attitude or his health, but will drain him of his powers. I have not read to much on this kind but i believe that it acts like red sunlite in that it will drain him of his power (yellow sunlight, well, actually the radiation that comes from a yellow sun. It has nothing to do with the actual visible light) wich brings me to another point.
Well, there are tons of them. Some to yet be used, I think. But, Lex had a few on his suit in the BATMAN/SUPERMAN run......and there were tons of them in a crate for the IC story.
But, as far as HOW much it weakens him. That's a testy subject. Sometimes he's reduced to a small wounded animal.....other times he manages to handle the pain and fight through it to complete his goal.
For example, he beat the hell out of Kara in the Superman/Batman(Michael Turner run) with a Kryptonite ring on.
A ****ing Kryptonite ring on! Same as the one Batman used to beat the **** out of him in HUSH. So, he has the ring on his fist and beats her with it to defeat her. One could argue that he should be too weak to even swing his fist or even stand up much less beat his stronger cousin.
But, he did. So, the affects of Kryptonite NEED to be taken as the situation is shown. Sometimes the story calls for something else, other than him laying there dying. Ie:, Superman lifiting up the entire New Krypton island *island...not a ****ing contininent* after nearing being killed with a K-shiv and still dealing with the small traces of K in the island.
So, there's no definite reaction to the K except for what it's does immediately. Green K, hurts him. Red K changes his personality, etc. Other than that, don't expect it to always be the same way going down.
4: i have seen writers use red sunlight in ways that it really shouldnt work. ive see in weaken Supes instantaniously. It doesnt do this. It actually slowly drains him of his power. read "Return to Krypton" series of Supes Comics.
Well, that's another thing that can depend on a story. I mean, needing to be flexible and all.
I do believe the Red Sun had alot to do with him losing his powers for the OYL. He had gone right through the thing, and he slowly began to regain his powers. But, there was also something about it being a mental block...so who knows for sure how it did it.
But, I think his distance from the red sun matters too. So, that could be another thing to look for.
Now, as for getting shot but a green kryptonite bullet. it may work depending on how you look at it. If it was a high enough power rifle, then the amount of weakness that the green K causes could make his skin and force field weak enough to be penetrated. But that is the only way that i could see him being penetrated easily without Gold K.
Nah, forget the forcefield. The K penertrates his skin. That's all we need to know, and it's been done before. SUPERMAN/BATMAN first series run.
In the movie when Lex stabs him with a green K shiv, that would not work according to any of the rules of Kryptonite unless he had a while to work it into supes (being that the radiation that green K gives off will build up and make Supes weaker and weaker over time).
Nah, he just stabbed him b/c it's sharp. Remember, it was as sharp as a knife...or prision knife, at that. So, no need to work anything.....just poke, and watch him die.
So, how will Lex penetrate a "virtually indestructible" suit? my answer is "easier than supermans skin"
the suit is not "indestructible" and we should be worrying more about how hes going to actually to stab Superman.
Okay, so maybe the word "indestructible" doesn't work for you. But, it's used kinda loosley.....same as the word "invlunerable" is used with Superman.
The Suit being that strong only serves to explain why the suit never rips, or is shreded. It's not to serve as armor, but more of a story tool than an armor tool for Superman.
Supposedly, Kryptonite can penertrate Krytonian fabric b/c of the obvius reasons. But, being that it can penertrate Superman....yeah, doesn't really matter either way how strong the suit or Superman is when it comes to Kryptonite.
ChrisBaleBatman
08-06-2006, 08:24 PM
you mean the up up and away from 2004 by mark millar? didnt look any different to me, and the \s/ didnt look smaller and stupid like in SR and the boots werent saggy. it looked relatively normal like all the other comic artists draw them.
Nah, this year's OYL run.
Alot of things were retconned in DC after IC, and OYL covered alot of them.
Blue Pulsar
08-06-2006, 08:37 PM
so what your saying, Christianbalebatman, is that green k does more than make him sick and weak, it now eliminates his powers? i dont think so, like you said, hes done a lot while under the effects of green k. all I'm saying is that there is no basis for him getting stabbed or penetrated with green k since it doesnt take his powers, it just makes him sick and weak. I realize that they (various superman writers) have been using green k to cut/stab/shoot/slice superman for a long time and i just dont agree with it. I mean if he can still pick up and an island that has a lot of green k in it while having a piece of green k in his back, then obviously it doesnt take his powers, and his "invulnerability" should be considered as one of his powers and he should not be so easily penetrated, even if its green k.
Blue Pulsar
08-06-2006, 08:38 PM
Nah, this year's OYL run.
Alot of things were retconned in DC after IC, and OYL covered alot of them.
yeah, that would be why im out of touch, i havent collected any comics since IC, sad, but i just havnt had the time. i plan on getting all the back dated isshes though, then maybe ill figure all this out... :confused:
ChrisBaleBatman
08-06-2006, 08:46 PM
Emrys posted this a while back:
check out the Newsarama preview for action comics especially the belt buckle
http://www.newsarama.com/imagepop.ht...tionkubert.jpg (http://www.newsarama.com/imagepop.html?imageURL=http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC06/DC/actionkubert.jpg)
Looks like the Returns suit is slowly made into comic canon. Just like Donner's crystal Krypton was and the most funny thing is yet to come, Donner is soon co-writting Action comics. Ahhh wonderful times for the lovers of the movies.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h299/Christianbalebatman/actionkubert.jpg
Silver Lad posted this too:
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3770/supermannewactioncomicstf9.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/New_Fortress_of_Solitude.jpg
Now...this was the NEW Fortress of Solidtude at the end of FOR TOMORROW.
This is from UP, UP, AND AWAY.....
The dialouge suggests he'll have TWO Fortresses.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3783/newfos2hy.jpg
TheBat812
08-06-2006, 08:52 PM
nice raised S shield... but a pocket in his cape? lol.
ChrisBaleBatman
08-06-2006, 08:55 PM
so what your saying, Christianbalebatman, is that green k does more than make him sick and weak, it now eliminates his powers? i dont think so, like you said, hes done a lot while under the effects of green k. all I'm saying is that there is no basis for him getting stabbed or penetrated with green k since it doesnt take his powers, it just makes him sick and weak. I realize that they (various superman writers) have been using green k to cut/stab/shoot/slice superman for a long time and i just dont agree with it. I mean if he can still pick up and an island that has a lot of green k in it while having a piece of green k in his back, then obviously it doesnt take his powers, and his "invulnerability" should be considered as one of his powers and he should not be so easily penetrated, even if its green k.
Never said it took away his powers.
And, his invulnerabilit IS considered a power. It's always mentioned, same as his super strength and super speed.
I've seen times where he's used his powers even with Green K hurting him. Watch WORLD'S FINEST, when he while stuck in a room with Green K and Batman and Lois.....he uses his heat vision to get out.
And, for what it's worth.....The island wasn't all of Green K. There were small lace traces on it. And considering he dies after he tosses it into space, I'd say his reaction was justified by pushing himself the way he did.
yeah, that would be why im out of touch, i havent collected any comics since IC, sad, but i just havnt had the time. i plan on getting all the back dated isshes though, then maybe ill figure all this out... :confused:
Oh yeah, dude....you've missed a ton of stuff. Lots of things have been retconned. Not just with Superman, but Batman's history has been altered to be more like BATMAN BEGINS....Joe Chill has now been caught when Bruce was a kid. Supposedly, DC Comics might want to give SMALLVILLE some validity in the comics as well, by it being said that there were some kind of Superman sightings BEFORE he was ever in Metropolis, so maybe he had some things he went through during his Smallville days.
I'd say OYL can be picked up easily, I'm waiting to pick up the TPB soon, but the Batman OYL books have been easy to acess.
And, the comics seem to be heading more and more into the Movies ways. Like mentioned in my post above, and some of the things I've pointed out.
ChrisBaleBatman
08-06-2006, 08:56 PM
nice raised S shield... but a pocket in his cape? lol.
LOL....Do you have a better place for him to put his keys and wallet??
Spare-Flair
08-07-2006, 06:14 AM
LOL....Do you have a better place for him to put his keys and wallet??
If you guys actually read the comics and read that one - you'll know that he doesn't keep keys and wallet there.
THE CAPE POCKET IS WHERE HE KEEPS WARM PRETZELS
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6774/pretzels0fc.jpg
I'M SERIOUS.
As for the suit, depending on pre or post-crisis, either it's his Kryptonian sheets from the rocket (that his mother somehow sewed together) or earthly fabric that is made indestructable but the force-aura that surrounds Superman for a few millimeters from his skin. That's why the cape will often rip or burn but the body hugging suit will show no damage. Currently, the suit is Kryptonian fabric again with the "S" symbol Jor-El's family crest again and his mother sews the suit with help from Superman's heat-vision. They did the same for Supergirl (Kara Zor-El).
M.E.H.Z.E.B
08-07-2006, 12:51 PM
How will Singer penetrate a "virtually indestructible" suit?
...with his arrogance. :o
DogofKrypton
08-07-2006, 12:53 PM
...with his arrogance. :o
"Beeeyaa!!"
Spare-Flair
08-07-2006, 01:07 PM
His pen.is mightier than a kryptonite sword
buggs0268
08-07-2006, 01:46 PM
by making it look stupid with a smaller Shield, fruit roll up cape, guci womens belt, womens underwear cut shorts, and spice girls boots that have Elton John sized soles.
Showtime
08-07-2006, 04:50 PM
by making it look stupid with a smaller Shield, fruit roll up cape, guci womens belt, womens underwear cut shorts, and spice girls boots that have Elton John sized soles.
Ummm...Chris Reeve's boots looked like something out of Tu Wong Foo...Thanks for Everything Julie Newmar...they are in the same boat without a paddle.
In regards to the Gucci belt, I think you are saying this because of the big G that is featured on Gucci, but I dont really see the comparison. It's been in comics before, although as KaKarot has pointed out, there were much better versions without the \S/ in the Art of Superman or what not. I like the one that is just a triangle.
Blue Pulsar
08-07-2006, 06:57 PM
Never said it took away his powers.
And, his invulnerabilit IS considered a power. It's always mentioned, same as his super strength and super speed.
I've seen times where he's used his powers even with Green K hurting him. Watch WORLD'S FINEST, when he while stuck in a room with Green K and Batman and Lois.....he uses his heat vision to get out.
So i gess my question is, how does green k penetrate his skin if green k doesnt take away his powers, specificaly invulnerability? I mean aside from the radiation making him sick, it dont seem right with the rules of green k (disregarding all the writers that have broken the rules of green k)
Oh, and thanks Christianbalebatman for responding to my posts, i feel bad for being a big supes fan and being so out of touch. I still need to pick up the last ish of IC and all the supes comics that followed. :(
ChrisBaleBatman
08-09-2006, 01:08 AM
Well, it's pretty obvious, atleast writers have admitted, that the rules for Green K are pretty much everywhere at times.
Actually, technically....Green Kryptonite SHOULDN'T affect Superman quite so rapidly. Supposedly, it would have to work much much slower in hurting Superman......but, Mark Waid said that we need the thing to work rapidly for the story.....instead of having 6 pages of watching him be affected.
So, the way I see it....the affects of it can just bend like rubber sometimes, like the green k ring Superman had on....alot of times, that would seem crazy. But, I guess that's where we go with Superman working though the pain and being able to build some kind of resistence for the moment.
Really, I don't think I've seen Green K take away his powers. I've seen it make him so weak, though, that he may just be too weak to use them. But, since it's deadly to him....it can pierce his body like a knife would for us. So, since leaving it beside him can do damage alone...making it sharp and stabbing him with it should do wonders.
Yeah, you should pick up the UP, UP AND AWAY Tpb next month. I heard it's a great story.
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