You Da Boss! of Marvel!

[deemar325]

If you were EIC (editor-n-chief) of MARVEL how would you handle the line of creative teams and editors?

What rules would you set forth?

How would you deal with death?

Would you limit Wolverines cameos and the number of teams he's in?

Thor lost cause of dial up Alan Moore and Beg?

Your the BOSS!

EXCELSIOR!

[deemar325]

EIC: DEEMAR

1. I'd limit the Spider-man books to (two) (I'm not counting USM)

*Amazing Spider-man: Dan Slott / Mike Weiringo

*Spider-man: Robert Kirkman / Steve Skroce

They would be the 'Defacto' creative team, an limit mini-series
with Spidey and his supporting cast.

Rules:

*Uncle Ben stays dead.
*Clone saga/Sins Past do not exsist.
*No more retcons, move forward not back.


2. Limit the X-books to (3) titles.

*Uncanny: Flag ship title, deals primarily with the school.

Roster: Cyclops/Iceman/Beast/Angel/Emma Frost/Wolverine/Storm

Uncanny will be more reactive and stay for the most part in America.
Their mission statement is to train the next generation of X-men.


*X-Factor: Will move the team to Muir Island, it will be converted to a
Rehabilation/Hospital/Re-Interrgration/Containment compound.
X-Factor will be the proactive force.

Roster: Nightcrawler/Kitty Pryde/Colossus/Rogue/Gambit/Prof.X
With Cecilia Reyes and Multiple man as staff.

X-Factor will be like a F.E.M.A/CDC for mutants and be a gateway
home for mutants in need who are to old to join the school or have
families and just need help adjusting.




*Wolverine: Solo adventures nuff' said.

Rules:

*Set rosters no change ups for at least 48 issues.

*Wolverine will only appear in his solo book and Uncanny.

*No whole sale creation of new mutants.

*No more alternate world/Aliens/Shi'ar/Mojo stories.

*Magneto will not appear without a solid and concise story.

*Any and all Time traveling/Derivative/Doppleganger/Age-of-whatever
Days of future..characters will be killed off. So no more Bishop,Cable,
Nocturne,Rachel Grey,Dark Beast,Sugarman,Longshot..etc..characters

*Jean Grey stays dead, period let's move on.

*No more Pheonix.




That's just PHASE:1

:up:

[Roughneck]

I would out Slott on more mainstream books

[deemar325]

^ Ditto!

[maddog]

Keep the original numbering for the issues. I understand that a #1 is a marketing tactic, but it's getting really old.

[deemar325]

^ Cool, It's just to get your dollar.

[Doc Destruction]

Lay off hiring people from outside the comic industry. It was an interesting idea, with only 1 or 2 good outcomes (and not even that good).

[The Question]

EIC: The Question

1) Only one in continuity Spider Man book. We don't need four. I'd hand it over to Robert Kirkman and Cory Walker, and encourage them to actually move the character forward (have a kid, get a nicer house in the suburbs, stuff like that).

2) Only one main X book. The characters in it would be Wolverine, Cyclopse, Emma Frost, Kitty Pryde, Beast, Storm, Nightcrawler, Ice Man, Collosus, and mabey a few others. Whedon and Cassidy would be behind the book.

3) Wolverine only apears in two books. X-Men and his solo series. And I'd have the X-Men creative team and the Wolverine creative team work very closely together as to not cause contradictions.

4) Death. There would be very few resurections under my watch. The only time I'd allow resurections is if it wasn't a total cop out, made sense story wise, was very well written, and worked well for the character in question. Also, I would only alow character deaths if the story was very well written and respected the characters. No chump deaths.

5) I'd meet with the editors of all the books regularly, to insure that we mantained a cohesive continuity.

6) I would mandate that all artists at least try to draw the costumes how they're supposed to look. As in, if a character's supposed to be wearing body armor, don't make us able to see his impossibly rock hard abs.

7) Spread the wealth. I'd have the Xaivier school move to Boston, the Avengers move to Washington DC, the New Warriors move to San Francisco, and so on. Too many freaks with masks running around New York.

8) The Avengers. They wouldn't just let anyone on the Avengers. The Avengers have, for a long time, been government sponsored. So, I'd actually like to see the defense department screening their recruitment process. Very few street level types, if any.

9) Bendis only gets two books. The guy's good, but not at everything.

[deemar325]

^ I like homey.

[jaydawg]

1. Limit the amount of books per franchise to two. So just Amazing Spider-man (my dream picks would be THE 90s team of DeMattis and Bagley) and Spectacular Spider-man (Dan Slott and MAD). The X-men titles would be Uncanny and Astonishing.

2. Death is death. I dont give a ****. Colossus is still doing absolutely nothing.

3. Limit writers to two books a month, three at most. Bendis a prime example of talent being stretched far too thin.

4. Massive Avengers expansion. I'm talking the Justice League Unlimited treatment. I want bases in LA, Frisco, Houston, Atlanta, Seattle, Chicago, Miami with main HQ being NY. I'd have at least five members per diversion, with NY being the biggest. I'd make the new Avenger roster include Spider-man, Cap, IM, Rogue, Human Torch, Wolverine, War Machine, Black Panther, Invisible Woman, Hulk, Namor, Dr.Strange, Moon Knight, Elektra, Hercules, Ant Man, Wasp, Silver Surfer, Cyclops, Speedball, Nova, Firestar, Iceman, Rage, Storm, Thor, Emma Frost, Thing, Mr.Fantastic, Ghost Rider, She-Hulk, Spider-woman (I and II) and Quasar. No one is a rookie and everyone brings something different to the table. I'd have teleporters be the mode of transportation from base to base. Plus this way, no one has to leave any teams they're already affliated with since theres a rotating roster. Also, in case you've just stumbled upon the biggest doomsday plan since WWII, you've got 30 some odd people to back you up.

5. Regular meetings with Editors and, when possible, writers. Everyone has to be on the same page.

6. More risks on uncharted territory. Say I want to bring Ghost Rider back. Get a meeting together as to why the last attempt failed, bring back the elements that worked about the character (get back to the roots) and fix what went wrong in the first place. The first couple of titles I'd try to get going would be Namor, New Warriors, Silver Surfer, Defenders and Dr.Strange.

7. Claremont would offically be fired from anything X-men.

8. Certain stories would just be forgotten rather than retcon explaining them. I dont care what who says, Magento was Xorn. End of Stroy. Also, while I didnt find Sins Past a particularly bad story, it just openned a whole can of worms. There are no twins. Gwen and Norman never did it and Gwen was Peter's first. I just hate the notion that Black Cat was Pete's first.

9. Spread out the titles, state wide. USA is one of the biggest countries out there. Why is everyone in NYC?

[sanders20]

i came up with this idea to kinda recton all of marvel.

sometime in late 90's when spiderman is fighting the green goblin the fight until there both exhausted. spiderman punches the goblin through a wall that causes debris to fall onto both spiderman an GG. the avengers show up late to this fight between spiderman an GG. GG dies from the fight an spiderman is rescued from the rumble but is seriously injured. it turns out spiderman has been under the avengers care since this fight with GG an has been hospitalized from soemtime during the late 90s until present day. spiderman has been in an out of acoma since his fight with GG. ironman has filled peter in on the worlds events these past few years. when peter falls back into acoma he dreams about what ironman tells him but his dreams are not 100% accurate. finally spiderman wakes up present day an ironman fills him in on what parts of his dreams did happen an what didnt. this leads into spidermans friendship with ironman. now marvel can erase anything bads thats happened since late 90s an keep whats good by saying last 7 years or so have been seen through spidermans dreams. finally GG is dead. an from this point forword if you die you stay dead. not sure if this would work but i think it could fix alot of stuff.

only 2 spiderman books
amazing spiderman
ultimate spiderman

during m-day mutant genes are not gone jsut dorment or weakened. wolverine an deadpool's healing factor is intact but weakened so there not invincible anymore.
wolverine in 1 x-book an 1 solo series

[Ben Urich]

I'd just do gimmicky ****, like "Everyone wears their classic costume!" month.
...mostly because I'm a sucker for Daredevil in Yellow.

[Unleashed]

why the hell do you people still want wolverine to have his own series?

There are far more interesting characters.

[Anubis]

I'd kidnap Alan Moore's daughter and force him to write Dr. Strange, Captain Britain, and the Defenders. Then I'd drug Kurt Buseik, steal his brain, and put it in a jar hooked up to super computer to write Avengers from now until Doomsday. And finally, I would totally put a Coke Machine in my office.

[bored]

Big events will become EVENTS again. Meaning, they will be big, entertaining, and rare. No more huge crossovers every year. How can all the heroes still give a **** anymore?

Lay off the killing of big characters. It's a dumb gimmick. Also, if a character is to be ressurected, make it interesting to read (like Colossus), but don't make it seem unworthwhile later (like Colossus).

No more Thugvengers. They were created as an answer to the Justice League, and there is no reason to change that.

Wolverine and Emma Frost are NOT the only X-Men. Deal with it.

[Citizen_Kaine]

First I'd double tap Quesada's fat ass and his entire band, and tea bag JMS for good measure

After that, I'd put J.M, DeMateis back on Amazing with Deodato, and put Slott on FNSM with Wieringo or Steve Skroce or Luke Ross

Spider Girl and Marvel Team Up would remain the same, only now free of cancellation

After I sold my soul to the devil (DC) I'd put Busiek back on T-bolts, an find Joe Casey and put him back on Deadpool

New Avengers would be removed and the Young Avengers would be incorporated into the big leagues

Luke Cage, Jessica Drew and every other Seventies has - been that Bendis has a hard on for would be sent back to obscuerity (Or at least another Hero's for Hire)

No more big events. Period

As well no more trade paperback padding (No six parter Iron Spidey goes to Washington)

Can't think of much else, going to McDonalds

[XFanTim]

why the hell do you people still want wolverine to have his own series?

There are far more interesting characters.
How does Wolverine having his own series prevent anyone else from having theirs? This argument makes much more sense as a reason to keep Wolverine off team books. E.g., he's taking an Avengers roster spot that could have gone to, say, an actual Avenger. I also think his plethora of guest star appearances are pretty irritating.

[euroq]

Seeing all the bad ideas presented in this thread, I'd make sure Marvel continued ignoring the internet fans. :)

[Anubis]

Blackmail and illegal Brain surgery is not a bad idea!!!

[boywonder13]

It would either restart the Marvel Universe from the FF's first fligh into space or stenghten continuity. By making a year happen in a standard time. Like 2.5 Earth year is equal to 1 Marvel year or something like that.

Marvel hasnt done a full retcon since the it started in 1960's. (Maybe even a little of the stories from the 30s!)

[GNR]

Seeing all the bad ideas presented in this thread, I'd make sure Marvel continued ignoring the internet fans. :)

Haha.

[GNR]

It would either restart the Marvel Universe from the FF's first fligh into space or stenghten continuity. By making a year happen in a standard time. Like 2.5 Earth year is equal to 1 Marvel year or something like that.

Marvel hasnt done a full retcon since the it started in 1960's. (Maybe even a little of the stories from the 30s!)

That's already confusing within itself.

[Artistsean]

As far as deaths are concerned I would keep characters dead who were killed, and only allow characters to die if it was part of the story and meant something, not just to try and get people to read.

Other than that I dont know,
Id like to see Prime introduced into the regular marvel Universe as a mutant.

[spidey-dude]

First I'd double tap Quesada's fat ass and his entire band, and tea bag JMS for good measure

After that, I'd put J.M, DeMateis back on Amazing with Deodato, and put Slott on FNSM with Wieringo or Steve Skroce or Luke Ross

Spider Girl and Marvel Team Up would remain the same, only now free of cancellation

After I sold my soul to the devil (DC) I'd put Busiek back on T-bolts, an find Joe Casey and put him back on Deadpool

New Avengers would be removed and the Young Avengers would be incorporated into the big leagues

Luke Cage, Jessica Drew and every other Seventies has - been that Bendis has a hard on for would be sent back to obscuerity (Or at least another Hero's for Hire)

No more big events. Period

As well no more trade paperback padding (No six parter Iron Spidey goes to Washington)

Can't think of much else, going to McDonalds

you forgot to say that you would bring back ol benny boy (reilly for the fools)

[jaydawg]

i came up with this idea to kinda recton all of marvel.

sometime in late 90's when spiderman is fighting the green goblin the fight until there both exhausted. spiderman punches the goblin through a wall that causes debris to fall onto both spiderman an GG. the avengers show up late to this fight between spiderman an GG. GG dies from the fight an spiderman is rescued from the rumble but is seriously injured. it turns out spiderman has been under the avengers care since this fight with GG an has been hospitalized from soemtime during the late 90s until present day. spiderman has been in an out of acoma since his fight with GG. ironman has filled peter in on the worlds events these past few years. when peter falls back into acoma he dreams about what ironman tells him but his dreams are not 100% accurate. finally spiderman wakes up present day an ironman fills him in on what parts of his dreams did happen an what didnt. this leads into spidermans friendship with ironman. now marvel can erase anything bads thats happened since late 90s an keep whats good by saying last 7 years or so have been seen through spidermans dreams. finally GG is dead. an from this point forword if you die you stay dead. not sure if this would work but i think it could fix alot of stuff.

only 2 spiderman books
amazing spiderman
ultimate spiderman

during m-day mutant genes are not gone jsut dorment or weakened. wolverine an deadpool's healing factor is intact but weakened so there not invincible anymore.
wolverine in 1 x-book an 1 solo series
....... and that is why you will never be a writer.

[Anubis]

You know, I never even bothered to read all that until now. God, that is crap. Sorry to hurt your feelings or anything but seriously, thats crap on a crap cracker.

[Assassin]

well first off, i wanna say no one is better than the master Joey Q....

my bad i ment every ones better than Joey Q :)

But my biggest rule would be...

1. a Non-jewish character must not ever mutter the word "oy"

[Anubis]

OY :rolleyes:

[deemar325]

Wow! This thread has grown.

[deemar325]

OY! da energizer!

[Assassin]

i said that because not only has spiderman started to say it, wiccan in new avengers said it in the last issue!

[Anubis]

So. Lots of New Yorkers use Yiddish slang

[Grim Goblin]

-Cut every franchise down to 2 books max, not counting the ultimate line and the occasional mini. (I think everybody agreed so far that it was a good limit).

-No more decompressed stories. I don't mind stretching some story arcs to fit the TPB format but at least pack the damn issues with a momentum that keeps moving forward instead of going at a snail's pace.

-don't replace Bryan Hitch with Joe Madureira on The Ultimates.

-on the "death" topic, I'll quote Ult. Nick Fury: "If there's no corpse...the guy's alive. Meaning that If a character ever dies (and it shouldn't be a common thing), he/she can only come back if there was no body to be found. Allow the others to rest in peace.

-Focus on the present and future instead of changing the established history of characters (YOU HEAR ME J.M.S! :mad:). The notable exceptions are time travel story but the MU already has rules concerning those.

-No more "leaks" of upcoming plot twists and surprises in store for the readers. Teases are allowed as long as they don't spoil anything from the plot and are used sparingly to wet readers' appetites.

-Bring back the now almost foreign notion of sub-plots (fits well with my 2nd point).

gotta go for now but I'll be back with the rest of my list. :bomb:

[deemar325]

* Thor must have a beard.

[Anubis]

Damn Stright.

[deemar325]

YEP! ^

Oh and Blue ape Beast!

[Anubis]

Boo!! Human form Beast! :mad:

[deemar325]

^ Come on man! Human form Beast is basically Kurt Angle with hair.

[Anubis]

How dare you sir!! He's like a big hairy fat guy that can move with the grace of Mary Lou Retton on acid. Whats not to love?

[Artistsean]

What if Marvel cleaned their universe up with its own Crisis on Infinite Earths?
What do you think would happen, or would want to happen?

Would you kill off certain characters? Who?

Would you get rid of certain storylines? which ones?

Would you get rid of universes?

or introduce characters?

[deemar325]

How dare you sir!! He's like a big hairy fat guy that can move with the grace of Mary Lou Retton on acid. Whats not to love?


LMAO! Since you put it like that, how could I argue?

[Bullsear]

So, Furthermore (who recently started posting on this board) and I have had some correspondence ever since we little clash on one of the other threads. We both wanted to post on this one, and here's what we’ve come up with.
This idea will undoubtedly be received with much anger and gnashing of teeth, but we feel it’s the only way to save the characters we love from themselves, from terrible writers (like Chuck Austen), and from fans. We propose a COMPLETE Revolution. In fact, that’s what we’ll call it!
What that means is that we will restart, re-launch, and reinvent the ENTIRE Marvel Universe, severing all ties from the past, and nullifying ALL current continuity. That means that in Post Revolution Marvel, no events of the Ultimate Universe, the 616 Universe, The End, Earth X, or any other Marvel continuity will have ever existed in any way. There is no multiverse. There is Marvel. There is the future. There is Revolution.
Now, what does that mean to us, the readers?

1) Post Revolution Marvel should launch with a total of 6 books. That’s right, just 6, with a different writer and illustrator on each series.

The Avengers
Daredevil
Fantastic Four
The Hulk
Spider-man
X-men

At the beginning of each year, every one of the writers and illustrators will be called to a conference (called the Marvel Vision Conference) with the EIC and the Marvel creative team. Together, these writers and executives will design a unified vision for all of Marvel in the coming year. Each writer will be forced to use only the characters from their series; no crossovers will be allowed for at least 1 year after the Revolution. This will ensure that continuity will be clearly defined and streamlined. When there is a crossover, it will have to fit into the timeline of the entire universe. Crossovers will only be allowed if they fit into the “Vision” AND deepen the understanding of both the characters crossing over, and the book those characters cross into. If crossovers are dealt with in this manner, readers that truly care about the characters they love will be compelled to purchase the crossover books, in order to gain a deeper understanding of the character and their actions in the future.

2) Oh yeah, and no character that is a member of a team book will EVER be allowed to have there own ongoing series.
The Avengers will consist of Thor, Iron Man, Giant Man (Hank Pym), Wasp, Captain America, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. This is the original team, plus some old favorites and minus those who will be in solo Revolution titles, in accordance with the rules of the Vision.
The X-men will be led by Charles Xavier and will consist of Beast, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Iceman, Angel, Wolverine (to be added within the first year), and Storm. Again, this is the original team, plus much needed characters and a little bit of diversity. Other characters will be added later (e.g. Gambit).
The Fantastic Four will be . . . well, the Fantastic Four . . . no She-Hulk.

Miniseries will also be limited, but will be encouraged and held within the confines of a larger timeline and the greater continuity of the universe. These miniseries will contribute to the Vision and will affect the ongoing series of all characters involved.

3) New characters and ongoing series will be added yearly, but only insomuch as they contribute to the Vision and deepen the understanding of all characters involved. The MVC will decide which characters to add, in which books, on what timeframe, and to what end. This will keep the writers and executives in check, as we realize that Marvel in its current state creates characters simply to sell more titles and first issues. They prey on the collectors, and that’s not cool. Readers also won’t have to worry about convoluted storylines, continuity, and ambitious writers messing up the characters that already have books.

4) Books outside the Vision will be published, but will not exist inside Marvel Universe continuity. For example, if a writer wants to take on a more esoteric, existential, or mystical work, that writer will be encouraged, but the characters from that work will NEVER interact with the characters of the Marvel Universe. In this way Marvel can continue to push the envelope of comic books, but won’t have to worry about conflicting views of religion, magic, mystical arts, aliens, or alternates universes. These sorts of works seek to do something different than the Vision, so they will be allowed to do it without the constrictions of the MVC, or the idea of having superheroes at all. Here we’re thinking about comics like Powers, Preacher, Grendel, Dr. Strange, V for Vendetta, and American Splendor. Every journey into new titles such as these will be held to the same strict standards as the Marvel Universe, but will function with complete autonomy from all other works.

5) Death means death. Post Revolution Marvel will not use the death of beloved characters as a shock tactic or as a means to bolster comic sales. Once a character is dead, they’re dead for good. No exceptions. Furthermore, if a character is killed, Marvel will be wary of replacing the character, but keeping the same powers/costume/etc (e.g. If Goliath dies or hangs up the suit, there will be no Goliath II).

6) No aliens of any kind will exist in Post Revolution Marvel. No Galactus, no Silver Surfer, no Shi’ar Empire, no Howard the Duck.

7) Marvel will never produce multiple collectible versions of the same issue. Titles should sell themselves, not gimmicks, and it is our belief that this sort of marketing will protect collectors and help promote solidarity within Marvel. If you read the issue, you can bet it was the exact same issue as everyone else read. No exceptions. All printings after the first will also be subtly marked with a recognizable insignia, which will denote the printing it came from.

8) No arc will be released until every issue of that arc is completely finished.

That’s probably enough for now. Thanks for reading,

Love,
Bullsear & Furthermore

Viva La Revolution

[Bullsear]

Oh yeah, and just think of how much your old comics will be worth. Did I hear someone say, "Dolla dolla bill ya'll?"
BAP!

[Furthermore]

BAP!

CLACK!

[Ben Breeck]

I would impose the following rules on Marvel:

1: One hero, one ongoing book per universe. No exceptions.

Amazing Spider-Man: Written by Fiona Avery, (With Brian K Vaughn right after her), drawn by Frank Quitely

The storyline of Wolverine: Origins, if it's worth telling, is told in the main Wolverine book.

2: One hero team, one ongoing book per universe. No exceptions.

Uncanny X-Men: written by Joss Whedon, drawn by John Cassidy. Chris Claremont can edit, but he's gone from scripting.

3: Team-ups are for miniseries or Marvel Team-Up. No Exceptions.

4: No more than one (1) massive company wide tie-in miniseries every three years. House of M, EXtinction, AnnIhalation, and Civil War are four in less than two.

5: Bring back true serial storytelling. I want to see writers think about the direction of their run beyond their current storyline(s). I want to see a development happen in issue 205 and then see the payoff (and make it a good one) in issue 217. In other words, let's don't just write for the trade paperbacks.

6. I want regular meetings, at least twice a year. I want to make sure everyone is on the same page for the Marvel Universe, but nobody is stealing from someone else.

7: I want to see Marvel branch out from sueperheroes again. I want to see Marvel do horror comics without Blade or Man-Thing. I want to see Marvel do Western comics without Kang or Ghost Rider the biker again. I want to see Marvel snag the rights to major Science Fiction and Fantasy liturature properties again. I want to see Marvel try its hand with Romance comics again. (They can start by making Frank Cho a tender offer to move Liberty Meadows to Icon.) Most importantly, I would like to see Amazing Fantasy move to a longer format: ca.160 pages of panels, no more than 120 pages of ads, thick magazine bound (so no splashes please), Anthology content. Sort of an American answer to Shonen Jump, but in full color.

8: One last thing: Bucky dies and stays dead. End of story. Aunt May dies and stays dead. End of story. Jean Gray dies and stays dead. End of story. Everyone who dies stays dead. End of story.

[Furthermore]

I like the way you think Ben. Way to be.
BAP!

[Furthermore]

edit: double post

[deemar325]

So, Furthermore (who recently started posting on this board) and I have had some correspondence ever since we little clash on one of the other threads. We both wanted to post on this one, and here's what we’ve come up with.
This idea will undoubtedly be received with much anger and gnashing of teeth, but we feel it’s the only way to save the characters we love from themselves, from terrible writers (like Chuck Austen), and from fans. We propose a COMPLETE Revolution. In fact, that’s what we’ll call it!
What that means is that we will restart, re-launch, and reinvent the ENTIRE Marvel Universe, severing all ties from the past, and nullifying ALL current continuity. That means that in Post Revolution Marvel, no events of the Ultimate Universe, the 616 Universe, The End, Earth X, or any other Marvel continuity will have ever existed in any way. There is no multiverse. There is Marvel. There is the future. There is Revolution.
Now, what does that mean to us, the readers?

1) Post Revolution Marvel should launch with a total of 6 books. That’s right, just 6, with a different writer and illustrator on each series.

The Avengers
Daredevil
Fantastic Four
The Hulk
Spider-man
X-men

I agree, but heres my 6 books to start off with and why.

*Avengers: The foremost heroes of the MU and deal with the introduction of world conquer type villians.

*FF: They represent discovery in the MU.

*Spider-man: Represents the everyman and street level super heroes.

*X-men: The social polictical book.

*Dr.Strange: Sets the rules of magic in the MU characters like Ghost Rider first appear here.

*Hulk: Represents science in the MU and when it goes wrong.

These six books are the template from which Marvel U springs from.

At the beginning of each year, every one of the writers and illustrators will be called to a conference (called the Marvel Vision Conference) with the EIC and the Marvel creative team. Together, these writers and executives will design a unified vision for all of Marvel in the coming year. Each writer will be forced to use only the characters from their series; no crossovers will be allowed for at least 1 year after the Revolution. This will ensure that continuity will be clearly defined and streamlined. When there is a crossover, it will have to fit into the timeline of the entire universe. Crossovers will only be allowed if they fit into the “Vision” AND deepen the understanding of both the characters crossing over, and the book those characters cross into. If crossovers are dealt with in this manner, readers that truly care about the characters they love will be compelled to purchase the crossover books, in order to gain a deeper understanding of the character and their actions in the future.

2) Oh yeah, and no character that is a member of a team book will EVER be allowed to have there own ongoing series.
The Avengers will consist of Thor, Iron Man, Giant Man (Hank Pym), Wasp, Captain America, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. This is the original team, plus some old favorites and minus those who will be in solo Revolution titles, in accordance with the rules of the Vision.
The X-men will be led by Charles Xavier and will consist of Beast, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Iceman, Angel, Wolverine (to be added within the first year), and Storm. Again, this is the original team, plus much needed characters and a little bit of diversity. Other characters will be added later (e.g. Gambit).
The Fantastic Four will be . . . well, the Fantastic Four . . . no She-Hulk.

Miniseries will also be limited, but will be encouraged and held within the confines of a larger timeline and the greater continuity of the universe. These miniseries will contribute to the Vision and will affect the ongoing series of all characters involved.

I agree.

3) New characters and ongoing series will be added yearly, but only insomuch as they contribute to the Vision and deepen the understanding of all characters involved. The MVC will decide which characters to add, in which books, on what timeframe, and to what end. This will keep the writers and executives in check, as we realize that Marvel in its current state creates characters simply to sell more titles and first issues. They prey on the collectors, and that’s not cool. Readers also won’t have to worry about convoluted storylines, continuity, and ambitious writers messing up the characters that already have books.

4) Books outside the Vision will be published, but will not exist inside Marvel Universe continuity. For example, if a writer wants to take on a more esoteric, existential, or mystical work, that writer will be encouraged, but the characters from that work will NEVER interact with the characters of the Marvel Universe. In this way Marvel can continue to push the envelope of comic books, but won’t have to worry about conflicting views of religion, magic, mystical arts, aliens, or alternates universes. These sorts of works seek to do something different than the Vision, so they will be allowed to do it without the constrictions of the MVC, or the idea of having superheroes at all. Here we’re thinking about comics like Powers, Preacher, Grendel, Dr. Strange, V for Vendetta, and American Splendor. Every journey into new titles such as these will be held to the same strict standards as the Marvel Universe, but will function with complete autonomy from all other works.

5) Death means death. Post Revolution Marvel will not use the death of beloved characters as a shock tactic or as a means to bolster comic sales. Once a character is dead, they’re dead for good. No exceptions. Furthermore, if a character is killed, Marvel will be wary of replacing the character, but keeping the same powers/costume/etc (e.g. If Goliath dies or hangs up the suit, there will be no Goliath II).

6) No aliens of any kind will exist in Post Revolution Marvel. No Galactus, no Silver Surfer, no Shi’ar Empire, no Howard the Duck.
That's kind of stupid, you mean no Silversurfer no Thanos? I guess you really want Marvel to fail. It's better to maintain order and a limited use of cosmic characters then outright bann them.

7) Marvel will never produce multiple collectible versions of the same issue. Titles should sell themselves, not gimmicks, and it is our belief that this sort of marketing will protect collectors and help promote solidarity within Marvel. If you read the issue, you can bet it was the exact same issue as everyone else read. No exceptions. All printings after the first will also be subtly marked with a recognizable insignia, which will denote the printing it came from.

Ditto.

8) No arc will be released until every issue of that arc is completely finished.

I am so with you on this account!

That’s probably enough for now. Thanks for reading,

Love,
Bullsear & Furthermore

Viva La Revolution


Good stuff!:up:

[Anubis]

Interesting, but it would ultimately end up destroying the comicbook industry.

[deemar325]

^ You think so? If Marvel started from scratch.

[gildea]

i positively hate retacons.

but sins past needs to be removed.

[Harlekin]

Yes. Marvel would lose all of its readers and DC would get the monopoly on the comic market.

[Anubis]

Which would lead to a down turn in qulity because of the lack of compitition. Not to mention the thousands of fans that would leave comics behind all together. Think the Crash of the 90's and then multiply that by 100 and you would get an idea of what would happen.

[Bullsear]

I don't see that happening at all. The crash of the 90's was because there were too many comics, too many editions, and too many gimmicky changes (and if you don't believe me, read some of the interviews with Marvel execs and Stan Lee).
The revolution combats all those problems.
What happens when a character gets a stupid new costume or they kill one of your favorite heroes? You get pissed and keep reading. That, or you stop for a month or two, realize you still love the character and start buying again. Collectors can't stop buying, comic books are like 4-color heroine.
On another note, where would you get the idea that readers would switch to DC? The very notion is illogical. I really dislike most of DC's characters (save the Bats family and Preacher) and the fact that they don't live in our world, so I will not buy their products. To bring it back around to my earlier drug metaphor: heroine addicts (marvel collectors) don't crave lite beer (DC), they crave heroine.

[Harlekin]

No, but Marvel would lose all its readers, go bankrupt, and DC gets the monopoly on the comics market.

[Anubis]

There will be a vast exodus of long time readers. No matter how good it is. They might eventually come back, but not all em. And lets face it, comics don't have the numbers it used to have. Cut that number in half and thats it for Marvel. Now don't get me wrong, I think Marvel could use a Crisis event of some sort, but it would have to pick up where it left off and trimmed of all the crappy stories that clutter the continuity while keeping the good stuff. To do away with all thats come before would be seen as a slap in the face of all the long time fans, writers, and artists that came before. (In the minds of many fanboys that is. Personally I probally wouldn't care.) I don't think what you guys have come up with is a bad idea, but I don't think you really understand the type of ignorance your dealing with when it comes to comicbook fans. Especially Marvel Fanboys. Like for instance, the type of people that would call DC comics "Lite Beer", without having not read much at all to know weather or not that statement is in fact true. :)

[deemar325]

It wouldn't bother me at all if Marvel did a reboot as long as Dan Slott and Robert Kirkman where at the helm.

[Furthermore]

I guess our idea is an idea in a vacuum. Take away stupid people and get back down to the art and the literature that make comics great. As far as a slap in the face to the fans, writers, etc... We arn't talking about changing the classic essence of the characters/teams, we're talking about getting back to that classic essence.

In a sense this is what the Ultimate U was created to do - but Marvel failed. They've failed to be radical enough to heal what they saw was wrong in 616. Instead of really going out there Marvel went half way and they failed. You can't be afraid to fall on your face if you want to do something great. Bullsear and I are just trying to put something out there that really is revolutionary - something that will either (probably) fail, but that is a noble enough for people to say, "that was a good idea, too bad people are so stupid."

[hippie_hunter]

- bring all the books to their original numbering, no more canceling a book only to relaunch it within 2 months

- one X-Men book (X-Men) along with a few solo titles such as Wolverine, Gambit, Rogue, Nightcrawler, etc.

- one Spider-Man book (Spider-Man)

- if you're dead you stay dead

- 2-3 books per writer maximum

- restart continuity, it's become too much of a mess, create a new Marvel Universe with DC/Ultimate Marvel-esque continuity

- cancel the Ultimate line

- reduce the number of major events, maybe only one every 5 to 10 years

- reduce the amount of power writers have

- reconcile with DC

- make sure that books come out on time

- no more "this story will change (insert character's name)'s life forever"

[Anubis]

I guess our idea is an idea in a vacuum. Take away stupid people and get back down to the art and the literature that make comics great. As far as a slap in the face to the fans, writers, etc... We arn't talking about changing the classic essence of the characters/teams, we're talking about getting back to that classic essence.

In a sense this is what the Ultimate U was created to do - but Marvel failed. They've failed to be radical enough to heal what they saw was wrong in 616. Instead of really going out there Marvel went half way and they failed. You can't be afraid to fall on your face if you want to do something great. Bullsear and I are just trying to put something out there that really is revolutionary - something that will either (probably) fail, but that is a noble enough for people to say, "that was a good idea, too bad people are so stupid."

Exactly.

[Assassin]

I would fire bendis and get geoff johns to fix it

[Bullsear]

While I realize that our plan is idealistic and impractical at best, I'd like to second Furthermore's point that this is FOR THE FANS. We want to preserve the characters in their purest form; return them to their glory. We want to immortalize the characters that the greatest writers of Marvel have worked so hard to bring to us.

Especially Marvel Fanboys.
Just as a side note, Batman is my all-time favorite superhero. I love the charcacter, the rogues, and pretty much all things Batman. It's just too bad that most of DC's heroes and stories have become so watered down.

[Anubis]

Can you give me an example of "Watered Down" because obviously we must not be reading the same things.

[Bullsear]

Marvel characters live in places like New York and Hell's Kitchen, while DC characters live in Metropolis and Central City. DC doesn't even intersect with our world on a simple geographical level. They can't talk about real world issues, because they're not a part of the real world. "Gotham had another earthquake, woopdy-do!"
The characters (especially Superman) are, generally speaking, far too archetypal to be considered anything but caricatures. Most of DC's heroes are 100% good all the time, and worse, most of their villains are pure evil. Speaking from a literary standpoint, these are shallow characters. Many of their stories suffer because certain key characters in the DCU (like Superman and Darkseid) don't have enough depth to form moving or compelling stories. Shocking and entertaining, yes, but compelling, no.
DC's best are much better when they have names like Hyperion, Dr. Spectrum and the Blur.

[Brodie The Wise]

- bring all the books to their original numbering, no more canceling a book only to relaunch it within 2 months

- one X-Men book (X-Men) along with a few solo titles such as Wolverine, Gambit, Rogue, Nightcrawler, etc.

- one Spider-Man book (Spider-Man)

- if you're dead you stay dead

- 2-3 books per writer maximum

- restart continuity, it's become too much of a mess, create a new Marvel Universe with DC/Ultimate Marvel-esque continuity

- cancel the Ultimate line

- reduce the number of major events, maybe only one every 5 to 10 years

- reduce the amount of power writers have

- reconcile with DC

- make sure that books come out on time

- no more "this story will change (insert character's name)'s life forever"

this sounds boring:(

[hippie_hunter]

Marvel characters live in places like New York and Hell's Kitchen, while DC characters live in Metropolis and Central City.
Many DC characters are based in New York City.

Wonder Woman's Themescyra Embassy was in New York City, the JSA, JLI, Titans East (Titans/Teen Titans) and Outsider's Headquarters are in New York City, Kyle Rayner and John Stewart were based in New York City, Nightwing will be based in New York City One Year Later, the Teen Titans Headquarters is based in San Fransisco, Titans West/Titans L.A. were based in Los Angeles, the new Blue Beetle will be based in El Paso, Green Arrow and Black Canary were once based in Seattle, the Martian Manhunter was once based in Denver, the Justice League was once based in Denver, Sub Diego was once a part of San Diego, the list goes on.

DC doesn't even intersect with our world on a simple geographical level. They can't talk about real world issues, because they're not a part of the real world. "Gotham had another earthquake, woopdy-do!"

Read books such as Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, and Winnick's run on Green Lantern, they deal with real world issues such as gay rights, HIV/AIDS, war/peace, etc. Checkmate will deal with modern political issues.

The characters (especially Superman) are, generally speaking, far too archetypal to be considered anything but caricatures. Most of DC's heroes are 100% good all the time, and worse, most of their villains are pure evil. Speaking from a literary standpoint, these are shallow characters. Many of their stories suffer because certain key characters in the DCU (like Superman and Darkseid) don't have enough depth to form moving or compelling stories. Shocking and entertaining, yes, but compelling, no.
Wonder Woman, Superman, Green Arrow, Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, Hawkman, Aquaman, and numerous other heroes have killed. The difference with DC's heroes killing and Marvel's heroes killing is that since DC's heroes kill very rarely and face the consequences of breaking the law. Marvel's heroes have killed again and again that murder has lost its meaning. Also DC contains anti-heroes such as the Red Hood, Hitman, etc. And villains such as the Secret Six and the Suicide Squad often do things in the best interests of the world. I'd rather have my heroes act like heroes than murderers that kill left and right.
DC's best are much better when they have names like Hyperion, Dr. Spectrum and the Blur.
LAME

[Furthermore]

naw not lame. Supreme Power characters eat their DC alternatives.

[Bullsear]

I'd rather have my heroes act like heroes than murderers that kill left and right.
I'm assuming you're going after the Punisher. If you've read Punisher, you know that his kills aren't meaningless, and you also know that he is a sick, twisted, tortured man. Yes, it's too much, but it's also a device that the authors have used to draw attention to how little actual people care about death. It's a social commentary as much as anything else.

I also notice that you didn't touch the issue of pure evil villains, which is by far my biggest gripe with DC. Characters can't be simply one way or the other, and while you've shown that there are many times that DC heroes have to deal with real world issues (I applaud the works you listed, because I liked the one's I've read aswell), they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
Identity Crisis was another time that I really enjoyed seeing some of the heroes at there most personal, but it became evident that even the writers know that the big name characters can't deal with those issues as well as the no-names on the bottom. The flagship heroes of DC were PURPOSELY exposed for their own shallow and unrelatable ways.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm assuming you're going after the Punisher. If you've read Punisher, you know that his kills aren't meaningless, and you also know that he is a sick, twisted, tortured man. Yes, it's too much, but it's also a device that the authors have used to draw attention to how little actual people care about death. It's a social commentary as much as anything else.
I'm not talking about the Punisher, he's a pretty damn kick ass character. I'm talking about crap such as a murderer such as Wolverine and the Sentry (ripped Carnage in half) being accepted into the Avengers. When Wonder Woman killed Max Lord, she wasn't accepted by the JLA anymore. Killing once and a while is alright, left and right where Captain America has to yell out: NO Casualties Logan, just gets repetitive.

I also notice that you didn't touch the issue of pure evil villains, which is by far my biggest gripe with DC. Characters can't be simply one way or the other, and while you've shown that there are many times that DC heroes have to deal with real world issues (I applaud the works you listed, because I liked the one's I've read aswell), they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
The point of comics is to escape reality, not read about it. It's fun to see Superman just simply save the day. Its fun to see people who are nothing but pure evil such as Max Lord, Darkseid, or the Joker get what they deserve. Yes, it's cool to see the real world in comics, but dude, it's a comic. The best thing you can do with fictional cities such as Atlantis, Coast City, and Bludhaven is that you can destroy them with large amounts of casualties and they can't be rebuilt, where as you really can't do that to a large real world city such as New York City.
Identity Crisis was another time that I really enjoyed seeing some of the heroes at there most personal, but it became evident that even the writers know that the big name characters can't deal with those issues as well as the no-names on the bottom. The flagship heroes of DC were PURPOSELY exposed for their own shallow and unrelatable ways.
I agree, Identity Crisis had some of the best emotional, personal, experiences in a comic, even in the Identity Crisis tie-ins (such as in the Flash were Wally tells Batman that he should tell Tim, who recently lost his father, that he loves him, just like he did to Dick which sadly was only once)

[Anubis]

Many DC characters are based in New York City.

Wonder Woman's Themescyra Embassy was in New York City, the JSA, JLI, Titans East (Titans/Teen Titans) and Outsider's Headquarters are in New York City, Kyle Rayner and John Stewart were based in New York City, Nightwing will be based in New York City One Year Later, the Teen Titans Headquarters is based in San Fransisco, Titans West/Titans L.A. were based in Los Angeles, the new Blue Beetle will be based in El Paso, Green Arrow and Black Canary were once based in Seattle, the Martian Manhunter was once based in Denver, the Justice League was once based in Denver, Sub Diego was once a part of San Diego, the list goes on.



Read books such as Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, and Winnick's run on Green Lantern, they deal with real world issues such as gay rights, HIV/AIDS, war/peace, etc. Checkmate will deal with modern political issues.


Wonder Woman, Superman, Green Arrow, Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, Hawkman, Aquaman, and numerous other heroes have killed. The difference with DC's heroes killing and Marvel's heroes killing is that since DC's heroes kill very rarely and face the consequences of breaking the law. Marvel's heroes have killed again and again that murder has lost its meaning. Also DC contains anti-heroes such as the Red Hood, Hitman, etc. And villains such as the Secret Six and the Suicide Squad often do things in the best interests of the world. I'd rather have my heroes act like heroes than murderers that kill left and right.

LAME

That pretty much says it all. :up:

[Anubis]

I also notice that you didn't touch the issue of pure evil villains, which is by far my biggest gripe with DC. Characters can't be simply one way or the other, and while you've shown that there are many times that DC heroes have to deal with real world issues (I applaud the works you listed, because I liked the one's I've read aswell), they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.


Dude, have you read Lex Luthor: man of Steel? Where we get to see the whole Supes/Luthor thing from his persepective. Pure evil? No. Xenophobic? Feelings that the human race is becoming less of an importance in the world? Yes. Villians like Dead Shot, or Flashs Rogues. Villians with deep emotional damage.

All the stuff you gripe about was relavent like, 20 years or 30 years ago. DC's characters are human, with human failings, and problems. Something thats really been absent form Marvel in the last 10 years if you ask me.

[Anubis]

And about DC characters being in fictional cites, so f**king what. At least they're spread out. It's like 5000 heros and villians in New York. and like maybe 12 in L.A. wheres the real world feel? Why doesn't Chicago or Detroit got heros? They got heros in those cites in DC. Which is really more "real"? 5000 heros/villains spread out over the entire world? Or 5000 heros/villains compacted in one city?

[Artistsean]

Id get the Exiles back to their original idea, characters from different universes sent on missions to repair time before they can go home, the whole possible good and bad futures for them.

Id get more non x-men characters in there too like the Super Adaptiod to be the Mimic like character.

[Bullsear]

I would assume that there would be a greater concentration of heroes/villians/supers in places that have larger concentrations of people. New York has a much higher number of Police than Chicago or Des Moines.
Besides, what is there to terrorize in the Midwest? Not much to steal (or even be angry about, for that matter) in Lincoln, Nebraska.

[Anubis]

Chicago is one of the biggest cities in the world with a higher crime rate and Detroit has one of the highest crime rates in the world. Who said anything about Des Moines?

[Furthermore]

DC v Marvel. There's no accounting for taste.

[ShadowBoxing]

I'd fire Bendis

[Artistsean]

Spider-Man is just one man, even though he has spider powers he isnt Superman. So him protecting all of New York would be hard for him. Then the X-Men are more protecting themselves and showing others what mutants are capable of, they arent exactly super heroes. Daredevil has a few powers, but he is mostly a human well trained in combat and he only protects Hell's Kitchen mostly.
I watched a tour of New york for Superheroes, it showed and compared New York with Marvel's New York and told what super hero protected where. It made it sound reasonable that a city that big would need more than five super heroes.
Then there is the fact that they artists and writers used New York becuase they live there. Dr. Strange's apartment was actually one of the writers, same address, same building, same everything. He eventually had to move because of it. Spider-Man's house he grew up in was from a real suburb. Its easy to draw and write what you know.
Plus they can't help it if they were born in New york and got their powers there.
It would be interesting if they showed some heroes in Oregon and lots of places like that.

[deemar325]

Bump.

[HNutz]

1) Bump up the trade releases. Awesome/underrated books not yet out in trade would be released. Things like Kelly's and Simone's Deadpool, Priest's Black Panther, the Crew, Slingers, etc.

2) Would try and woo creators to do their creator-owned stuff at Marvel. Turn ICON into a competitor for Vertigo. Who knows, maybe Vaughn's "Ex Machina", Kirkman's "Walking Dead" and Ennis "Global Frequency" would have come from Marvel? Maybe even PAD's current hit "Fallen Angel" or get ahold of the "Quantum & Woody" rights and print some more trades.

3) Expand the MAX line. There's more you can get away with, but with lesser known characters. Werewolf By Night, Blade, Hellstorm, Ghost Rider, etc... Would try to get PAD, Jenkins, Ellis, Ennis, Vaughn, Brubaker, etc. involved. Would try to bring back Vaughn and Hotz to do a sequel to The Hood....

4) I understand that sometimes it's hard to make a monthy schedule. Depending on the team, I'd either make it bi-monthly or put a fill in writer/artist on the book. Which ever one, just depends on the book. However, I'd have most of the issues in the bag before soliciting a mini and if they had consistant trouble with their deadlines, I'd give serious thought to bringing them onto another assignment.

5) I'd give the GOOD writers room to be creative, but not go really crazy. Casey wants to have Archangel run for office, great! Austen wants to have Nightcrawler's dad be the devil? Wait a sec....

6) Try to give an advertising boost to those really good, underappreciated books like Exiles, Thunderbolts, X-Factor and Cable/Deadpool. Might even go for the variant Michael Turner or whoever cover on these, as opposed only on books that'll sell great regardless.

7) Strongly encourage both the creation of new characters and/or the usage of forgotten characters. Cable/Deadpool, Exiles and Thunderbolts are GREAT at this!

8) Merchandising! I'd make toys of the newer characters, like Exiles, Runaways, Thunderbolts, etc. Aside from X-23 and the upcoming Young Avengers set, when was the last time a NEW character had a action figure made?

9) Would try to get folks to break or not renew their exclusive contracts with the competition. Whether by offering them exclusives or simply offering them a great deal, whatever was appropriate in each case.

10) Would bring back the Epic line. Have a few Epic stories out once a month (X-Men, Avengers, Spidey, etc.), with out-of-continuity short stories by recognized writers/artists, up and coming creators and newly-discovered ones.

That's probably good for now.... SURE I'll have more later on....

[deemar325]

1) Bump up the trade releases. Awesome/underrated books not yet out in trade would be released. Things like Kelly's and Simone's Deadpool, Priest's Black Panther, the Crew, Slingers, etc.
Ditto! I agree.

2) Would try and woo creators to do their creator-owned stuff at Marvel. Turn ICON into a competitor for Vertigo. Who knows, maybe Vaughn's "Ex Machina", Kirkman's "Walking Dead" and Ennis "Global Frequency" would have come from Marvel? Maybe even PAD's current hit "Fallen Angel" or get ahold of the "Quantum & Woody" rights and print some more trades.
Ditto like a mutha f'cker!

3) Expand the MAX line. There's more you can get away with, but with lesser known characters. Werewolf By Night, Blade, Hellstorm, Ghost Rider, etc... Would try to get PAD, Jenkins, Ellis, Ennis, Vaughn, Brubaker, etc. involved. Would try to bring back Vaughn and Hotz to do a sequel to The Hood....
Double dip Ditto!

4) I understand that sometimes it's hard to make a monthy schedule. Depending on the team, I'd either make it bi-monthly or put a fill in writer/artist on the book. Which ever one, just depends on the book. However, I'd have most of the issues in the bag before soliciting a mini and if they had consistant trouble with their deadlines, I'd give serious thought to bringing them onto another assignment.

Preach!

5) I'd give the GOOD writers room to be creative, but not go really crazy. Casey wants to have Archangel run for office, great! Austen wants to have Nightcrawler's dad be the devil? Wait a sec....

Chuck Austen is da devil!

6) Try to give an advertising boost to those really good, underappreciated books like Exiles, Thunderbolts, X-Factor and Cable/Deadpool. Might even go for the variant Michael Turner or whoever cover on these, as opposed only on books that'll sell great regardless.
Ding Dong Ditto!

7) Strongly encourage both the creation of new characters and/or the usage of forgotten characters. Cable/Deadpool, Exiles and Thunderbolts are GREAT at this!
Dizzle tizzle!

8) Merchandising! I'd make toys of the newer characters, like Exiles, Runaways, Thunderbolts, etc. Aside from X-23 and the upcoming Young Avengers set, when was the last time a NEW character had a action figure made?
No care.
9) Would try to get folks to break or not renew their exclusive contracts with the competition. Whether by offering them exclusives or simply offering them a great deal, whatever was appropriate in each case.
No ditto kiddo!

10) Would bring back the Epic line. Have a few Epic stories out once a month (X-Men, Avengers, Spidey, etc.), with out-of-continuity short stories by recognized writers/artists, up and coming creators and newly-discovered ones.

I'm back with ya!

That's probably good for now.... SURE I'll have more later on....

Semper Fi!

:up:

[Furthermore]

Nice post HNutz I like your ideas.

[Bullsear]

HNutz has some good ideas, I just hope it would be enough.

[deemar325]

Dizzle Tizzle!

[hippie_hunter]

Spider-Man is just one man, even though he has spider powers he isnt Superman. So him protecting all of New York would be hard for him. Then the X-Men are more protecting themselves and showing others what mutants are capable of, they arent exactly super heroes. Daredevil has a few powers, but he is mostly a human well trained in combat and he only protects Hell's Kitchen mostly.
I watched a tour of New york for Superheroes, it showed and compared New York with Marvel's New York and told what super hero protected where. It made it sound reasonable that a city that big would need more than five super heroes.

Spider-Man, Captain America, Iron Man, Daredevil, Mr. Fantastic, Invisable Woman, Human Torch, the Thing, Luke Cage, Black Widow, Dr. Strange, the Falcon, Hank Pym, Wasp, Iron Fist, Ms. Marvel, War Machine, Hulkling, Vision, Wiccan, Stature, Spider-Woman, Kate Bishop, Patroit, and others.

Thats a hell of a lot more than 5, Marvel needs to spread it's heroes out more. I'm pretty sure that if 2 or even 3 left New York for some place else, New York City would still be pretty damn safe in the Marvel Universe.

[Furthermore]

A lot of the hero's you posted are part of a team Hippie_hunter. For that reason you can condense the list. For example individuals in Fantastic four and the Avengers work togeather. I think you can assume that they shouldn't be running about by themselves. Also, teams like this are flying all over the world, not just staying in NYC. NYC is just a base of operations for them, they arn't around all the time like Spidey and DD are. As far as characters like Ms. Marvel, Wiccan and Stature... um... who cares? Certainly not the super villians.

I do agree that there should be more focus on other cities and that heros should be spread around more. But I think you can explain why there are so many heros in NYC.

[roach]

ok here are my ideas for Marvel
1) The writing for trade would be gone. As much as I like picking up tpb's there are some story arcs that dont need to be dragged out six issues. Infact some of the classic story lines from Marvel didnt fit in the TPB format.
2)I would limit the number of books a property would have. This would free up some creators to work on books that should be out there. Such as: Heroes for Hire, Guardians of the Galaxy, Namor, New Warriors, Quasar, Silver Surfer, Thor, Alpha Flight, Deathlok, Dr. Strange, Ghost Rider, Shield, Defenders...ect ect
3)Creative teams as follows.....
Busiek and Perez will be on Avengers
PAD will write Hulk or Spiderman(it's up to him)
Bendis on Daredevil
Whedon and Cassaday would be on Uncanny(the only X-book)
Claremont and Davis will be on Excalibur(which would become Englands answer to the Avengers)
Brubaker will stay on Captain America
Priest will be back on Black Panther
JMS will take a cosmic book
I'd woo Tom Clancy into writing Nick Fury
Quentin Tarantino would write Heroes for Hire
Frank Miller would write and draw Moon Knight
4)Villains would return. Im tired of seeing Heroes vs Heroes in the Marvel Universe.
5) The past will be the past. No one will strip mine the past for whatever reason.
6) Respect the people who pay us. No more insulting the people who buy our product.The customer is always right.
7)Look into new avenues...comics online, cartoons, TV shows

[Furthermore]

Tom Clancy on Nick Fury would be sweet.
Number 4) I'm right there with you.

[deemar325]

^ I like! and Tom Clancy of Fury?! Hott damn! that be awesome!

[roach]

yeah he does video games so I dont see why he wouldnt do a comic book

[deemar325]

What else ya got Roach you on fire.

[roach]

My take on Captain America: I would take him away from the world of superheroism and in the world of superterrorism. He would work very closely with the US Government(yes I know everyone thinks the Administration is bad but Cap is a soldier and we just do our jobs we dont care about politics). I see the Government giving Cap jurisdiction within the Department of Homeland Security(the part that is so secret only two people know about). I see Cap rooting out terrorists like he rooted out Nazi spies in WW2. Cap would have people who help him in the same way Jack Bauer has help from CTU on 24. The comic would be fast paced that you would have to catch your breath after reading the book. You'd put the comic down mad that Next month isnt here yet.

[deemar325]

^ I'm feelin it! Cap should be more soldier than superhero to me.

[roach]

Quasar: I got this idea one day when I remembered that he is the Protector of the Universe. One man being the law in the entire freakin Universe. I would play up the idea of making it sort of like a space western where the hero comes into town and defeats the bad guys. Quasar's quantum bands can allow him to almost be in two places at once. The story ideas are legion for this character...stopping Galactic War/ helping Galactus find an uninhabited planet....

[deemar325]

I see that, but Wendall Vaughn is a sap.^

[Harlekin]

I see that, but Wendall Vaughn is a sap.^
What made you think that? Quasar is one of the most badass people in the galaxy.

Not only did he willingly sacrifice himself against the Magus (I believe it was either him or Thanos) with the use of the Ultimate Nullifier, he has fought impossible odds before and won. Returned from the dead based on sheer willpower at least twice. Was able to out-think even the Watchers.

Those are just some of the badass things he's done.

[deemar325]

I know, but it's his personality. I rather a new character get the quantum bands that's just me.

[Harlekin]

I know, but it's his personality. I rather a new character get the quantum bands that's just me.
What's wrong with his personality? That he's more of a pacifist, even though he's a soldier?

I hope they never replace Quasar. He rocks.

[roach]

Not in my book.....

Here is an idea I had for Quicksilver. Ok somewhere down the road a depowered Quicksilver runs into trouble. He gets his butt handed to him. One sliver a way from death. He is taken to the hospital where he is expected to die. A silvery substance comes out of his wounds and covers his body. Pietro becomes healed completely and discovers he has a very large power upgrade. The silvery shell that covers Pietro counteracts friction enabling him to reach Flash power levels.

[deemar325]

That's your opinion and I respect it. nuff said.

[deemar325]

Not in my book.....

Here is an idea I had for Quicksilver. Ok somewhere down the road a depowered Quicksilver runs into trouble. He gets his butt handed to him. One sliver a way from death. He is taken to the hospital where he is expected to die. A silvery substance comes out of his wounds and covers his body. Pietro becomes healed completely and discovers he has a very large power upgrade. The silvery shell that covers Pietro counteracts friction enabling him to reach Flash power levels.

Quicksilver does need a upgrade maybe after Son of M?

[Harlekin]

That's your opinion and I respect it. nuff said.
True, I was just wondering what you don't like about him. A solution would be to get him to duplicate the quantum bands, but that's not possible I believe.

[deemar325]

^ I just found him to be a clear copy of Hal Jordan and I hate Hal Jordan.

At least Nova has some personality.

[Harlekin]

^ I just found him to be a clear copy of Hal Jordan and I hate Hal Jordan.

At least Nova has some personality.
A copy of Hal Jordan!? They are nothing alike. For half of his run, Wendell had some serious self-esteem issues, and his personality has always been on a whole another scale than Jordan's has. This guy actually feels real.

But to each his own, I say.

[deemar325]

To each his own.

Why do like Quasar so much?

[roach]

To each his own.

Why do like Quasar so much?


Find out.....http://www.quantumzone.org/index.html

[deemar325]

^ thanks

[roach]

no problemo

[deemar325]

Navy/Army forever!!

[deemar325]

Hey Roach if you was a G.I.Joe who would you be?

[Furthermore]

My take on Captain America: I would take him away from the world of superheroism and in the world of superterrorism. He would work very closely with the US Government(yes I know everyone thinks the Administration is bad but Cap is a soldier and we just do our jobs we dont care about politics). I see the Government giving Cap jurisdiction within the Department of Homeland Security(the part that is so secret only two people know about). I see Cap rooting out terrorists like he rooted out Nazi spies in WW2. Cap would have people who help him in the same way Jack Bauer has help from CTU on 24. The comic would be fast paced that you would have to catch your breath after reading the book. You'd put the comic down mad that Next month isnt here yet.

I would buy this book in a second.

[deemar325]

^ good stuff ain't it?

[Harlekin]

To each his own.

Why do like Quasar so much?
Because I absolutely loved his series by Gruenwald. He started out a little insecure, but the more feats he pulled, the more confident he got. You really got to see a growth in his character, and he just keeps on going.

Even when he was nailed to a wall with both his hands gone, he ultimately persevered (although he was willing to give in a few times). Besides, he's a guy that Captain America respects and plays cards with Ben Grimm.

[roach]

Hey Roach if you was a G.I.Joe who would you be?

Shipwreck....but black

[Artistsean]

I would put into action my idea for Ultimate marvel, including adding Ultimate Nightstalkers to the titles.
Ultimate nightstalkers main characters: Ghost Rider, Dr. Strange, Blade and Whistler, Morbius, and Satana, as the heroes.

[Dwarf lord]

8) The Avengers. They wouldn't just let anyone on the Avengers. The Avengers have, for a long time, been government sponsored. So, I'd actually like to see the defense department screening their recruitment process. Very few street level types, if any.

I always thought they were privately sponsored by Tony Stark. The Government has endorsed them, but I didn't think they ever "owned" them. I really don't like this mandate at all. Part of the charm and part of the fun I have while reading Avengers is the eclecticy of it. It's the one book where you can see characters like Thor and Hawkeye in the same book. That makes it fun.

[GoldenAgeHero]

It wouldn't bother me at all if Marvel did a reboot as long as Dan Slott and Robert Kirkman where at the helm.

what makes you think slott and kirkman, can handle such a task?! your giving those dudes too much credit. so far theyve done good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking to have them lead a huge reboot.

[GoldenAgeHero]

ok here are my ideas for Marvel
1) The writing for trade would be gone. As much as I like picking up tpb's there are some story arcs that dont need to be dragged out six issues. Infact some of the classic story lines from Marvel didnt fit in the TPB format.
2)I would limit the number of books a property would have. This would free up some creators to work on books that should be out there. Such as: Heroes for Hire, Guardians of the Galaxy, Namor, New Warriors, Quasar, Silver Surfer, Thor, Alpha Flight, Deathlok, Dr. Strange, Ghost Rider, Shield, Defenders...ect ect
3)Creative teams as follows.....
Busiek and Perez will be on Avengers
PAD will write Hulk or Spiderman(it's up to him)
Bendis on Daredevil
Whedon and Cassaday would be on Uncanny(the only X-book)
Claremont and Davis will be on Excalibur(which would become Englands answer to the Avengers)
Brubaker will stay on Captain America
Priest will be back on Black Panther
JMS will take a cosmic book
I'd woo Tom Clancy into writing Nick Fury
Quentin Tarantino would write Heroes for Hire
Frank Miller would write and draw Moon Knight
4)Villains would return. Im tired of seeing Heroes vs Heroes in the Marvel Universe.
5) The past will be the past. No one will strip mine the past for whatever reason.
6) Respect the people who pay us. No more insulting the people who buy our product.The customer is always right.
7)Look into new avenues...comics online, cartoons, TV shows

but shouldnt you respect the people who give them to you? and to be honest the customer isnt always right.

[Artistsean]

have Doc Samson become the psychiatrist to the super hero world. When a character needs to see someone for psychiatric help, it would end up being him. Not necissarily his own series for this idea, although he could have his own series and this idea could be shown as a small part of it.

make it like when someone nees a lawyer and they get Matt Murdock or at least cross paths with him, same idea but with Doc Samson and psychiatry.

make the Avengers the absolute greatest heroes in marvel. I kept hearing, on a documentary of wirtiers and artists at marvel, that the Avengers was the book where you could find all your favorite heroes in one book.
Get Silver Surfer in there, Cap, Iron Man, Xavier, Spider-man and Wolverin are already there too, maybe make the roster sort of rotate. So every so often the team would change and give other huge names a chance to be featured in it.
Maybe that could be the second Avenger title, along side the new avengers with a consistant title.

I'd stop making so many huge cross over stories.

I don't know, Im just an artist not a writer.

[The Batman]

EIC: The Batman

*I think its overdue...Marvel needs its own Crisis on Infinite Earths. I wouldnt restart everything, but i'd streamline it. I'd probably end the Ultimate line and the marvel adventures line too. If kids want to read comics, they should be able to read the mainstream version.

*Two Spider-man books only: Amazing and Sensational. Also, only 4 X-Books: Uncanny, X-Men, Wolverine, and New Mutants

*I'd actually make the Avengers the Marvel equal of the JLA, meaning most of marvels icons are there. Spider-Man and Wolverine would probably be on the team, as well as Cap, Thor, and Iron Man. I'd try and make Ms.Marvel the top female.

*I'd bring back Jean Grey....except i'd bring her back in a way so that she'll never be able to have the powers of the phoenix again.

*I'd have no pet writers...no bendis who i'd let get all the big events and projects. And he wouldnt write more than three titles.

*Continuity between books. If the statue of liberty gets blown up in Avengers, its mentioned in X-Men, etc. Also, I'd try to encourage writers to do guest shots again.

*Repair relationship with DC. Sure, i'd make fun of DC comics, but not in the vulgar and harsh way Quesada did. That way, we can have a Daredevil/Batman crossover, or other crossover events.

*Make sure EVERY Stan Lee character has a high profile team behind it, and revamp all heroes and villains for the 21st century. Less of an emphasis on making a bajillion x and spider books and more emphasis on making guys like Black Panther, Dr Strange, Silver Surfer, etc more accessable.

*A character wont be killed unless it makes sense and wont have fans screaming to bring him/her back. Nobody can complain about resurrections if no one important or popular dies.

*Focus on good stories, not shocking ones or big events. Have writers, artists, editors, etc. work together to make the whole Marvel Universe shine, just like the 60's where guys were bursting with energy creating exciting stories every month.

[fifthfiend]

Eh, there was a post here, then I decided it was nonsense.

So it's gone.

[Sogmot1969]

Seeing all the bad ideas presented in this thread, I'd make sure Marvel continued ignoring the internet fans. :)

I agree 100 %.
With most of the ideas presented here, the company will truly go bankrupt in less than a year...

[Wolvenom2099]

Keep the original numbering for the issues. I understand that a #1 is a marketing tactic, but it's getting really old.

I deffinitely agree with you, especially for new readers it would be so confusing.

[Wolvenom2099]

I'd just do gimmicky ****, like "Everyone wears their classic costume!" month.
...mostly because I'm a sucker for Daredevil in Yellow.

I think that would be a helluva idea, even though its not the original costume I'd like to see the ben reily spider-man costume every now & again.

[deemar325]

Ressurrect!!