NG EVANGELION live action ?

[spiderman30]

Hello,
to when the NEON GENESIS EVANGELION live action movie ?:eek:
And who is this director Matt Greenfield ?:eek:

Hello:spidey:

[TheVileOne]

Matt Greenfield is the founder of ADV Films. He directs or produces English dubs for a lot of anime that ADV licenses and also does voice over work.

He wrote an early draft of the script for this movie. That I don't think will ever happen, at least not any time soon.

[Infamy]

with any luck Hollywood will never get there grubby mits on EVA..I pray to god everyday that it never happens, not because I dont want it to, but because they could NEVER do it justice..its an utter mind-f**k of pure unadulterated magnificense itd take like 6 films or something to even scratch the surface.

Having said that..the WETA art for it (they want to do the effects, its there dream project apparently) look amazing.

Not to sure about this "americanisation" of the lead character though

[Timstuff]

I think an Evangellion movie could work, but it would take a director with a buttload of vision to pull it off. The WETA art was amazing, and if the movie looked like that it would be one of the most visually stunning films of the decade. But there was the very annoying "americanized" names that drove a lot of people crazy, however they were not final and were only there for place holders.

If they were going to do an Evangellion movie right, they'd have to get an international cast, like in the Anime. My big concern though is wether or not they'd be able to make a cohesive story that doesn't get the hardcore fanboys too PO'd. I'm not that big a fan of Evangellion however I really enjoyed the earlier episodes, before they started running out of money and the story kept getting weirder and less understandable. But would the fans accept a "The good parts" movie? I don't know.

[Infamy]

very valid points above.

They could go two ways PO the hardcore Eva fans (and there are many) and condense the story maybe take a few liberties change things around a little

or

Make a true live action representation of the anime. Thus ailienating anyone who hasnt watched/heard of the anime.

Its a far to complex story imo the themes, the choices the sheer scale of the thing must be absolutely daunting for any prospective studio/director even remotely looking at the project, WETA stuff is brilliant though, stunning even.

I just cannot see them doing it just yet, i think they will wait to see what Cameron does with Battle Angel before anything happens.

[Marine]

they're still drumming up funding for it, they're either half way to their $120 million target, or $20 million short, can't remember which.

[cabel]

All I've been hearing for the past 3 years is "We're negotiating with director's, we're negotiating with director's, etc., etc."

Shame Stanley Kubrick isn't alive. This would've up his alley.

[WalkingDead]

If they only have a 120 million dollar budget...that seems pretty skimpy and small for something that could be as big as EVA. $180 million would seem to be a bit better IMO.

I love the Anime, but I know changes have to be made and the story has to be way condensed down. It'll piss off people no matter what and there will always be nitpickers to come along and trash it for all the tiny things that aren't just perfect. So I don't think anyone should worry about that too much.

[Mentok]

Peter Jackson aquired the rights a few years back. WETA did some work, but its officially been on the back burner for the last two years.

[Timstuff]

I don't know if Peter Jackson is going to be involved, I certainly haven't heard anything about that. Weta will definately be the ones doing the art and FX though, we can be pretty certain of that.

Last I heard of this movie was in February, when Matt Greenfield from ADV said at NY Comic Con that three "A-List" directors have shown serious interest in the project, and that they happened to be three directors that they were already eying for their short list. He would not say who they were, but said that they were each "very different individuals", so there's obviousely a lot of serious consideration that must go into picking one.

This project may be on the "backburner" right now, but it thankfully hasn't been forgotten. I really don't know where the budget for this movie is coming from at this point, and my guess is that the 100+ million is a "suggested budget" to any studio who's interested. Hopefully one of the big ones (other than Fox) will show some interest and help this project get underway!

[WallCrawl]

I don't know if Peter Jackson is going to be involved, I certainly haven't heard anything about that. Weta will definately be the ones doing the art and FX though, we can be pretty certain of that.

Last I heard of this movie was in February, when Matt Greenfield from ADV said at NY Comic Con that three "A-List" directors have shown serious interest in the project, and that they happened to be three directors that they were already eying for their short list. He would not say who they were, but said that they were each "very different individuals", so there's obviousely a lot of serious consideration that must go into picking one.

This project may be on the "backburner" right now, but it thankfully hasn't been forgotten. I really don't know where the budget for this movie is coming from at this point, and my guess is that the 100+ million is a "suggested budget" to any studio who's interested. Hopefully one of the big ones (other than Fox) will show some interest and help this project get underway!

I don't know, just sounds like more press/marketing talk to me. I'd feel more comfortable knowing who these interested directors were. Until then, I'm just going to consider it a lot of hot air. And if It goes to Fox, you can bet that Tom Rothman is going to try to undercut it by underbudgeting the project. It's just what he does.

[Timstuff]

Yeah, having Fox produce it at the mercy of Tom Rothman would be the kiss of death, so hopefully they won't be interested in the first place. As for the directors, I could imagine why they wouldn't want to just go blabbing who they are, because most directors like to be secretive about what projects they're interested in (unlike say, John Woo, who gets everyone's hopes up by declaring his intent too early and then never does anything).

On other boards I've seen some rather heated discussions about the casting for this movie, namely their ethnicity. Personally, as long as the actors bear a decent "real world" resemblance to their Anime counterparts and are talented, I'll be happy. The main arguement is whether Shinji will remain Japanese, or if they'll change him to caucasian to make the movie more marketable in the primarily white US (which some believe would mean a name change). Well personally, I think that it doesn't matter wether Shinji is white or asian, as long as he looks the part and can act.

If they find a good looking teenage asian/asian-american boy who speaks perfect english and happens to be a very gifted with acting, then great! But if they can't, then they can always fall back on the option of making Shinji be part-Japanese, which IMO would not be a bad option. They'd just have to have one of his parents being asian, and people would have no trouble buying that hes a white or mostly white person with a Japanese name. Whoever it is they choose, as long as he can act the part and has a good screen presence for the role, I don't really care wether he's asian, caucasian, or something in between.

They definately need to go with un-knowns for the teenagers though. Harry Potter and Chronicles of Narnia showed us that un-discovered talent is quite possibly the best place to find young actors to fill familiar roles, and they should try to catch some of this sucsess with Evangellion.

[TheVileOne]

Actually guys, ADV and the Japanese producers plan on funding this movie themselves.

I don't think Peter Jackson has anything to do with EVA at all other than that his FX/production house is working on it.

[Timstuff]

Actually guys, ADV and the Japanese producers plan on funding this movie themselves.

I don't think Peter Jackson has anything to do with EVA at all other than that his FX/production house is working on it.

I have a hard time believing that ADV and Gainax (sp?) are capable of pooling the resources necessary to fund the movies by themselves. It's possible that they could find other investors to get there, but I think a more plausible scenario is that they are going to shop the project around to the big studios, one of whome will hopefully handle most of the funding, and distribute the movie.

And yeah, Peter Jackson has nothing to do with this project, except that his special effects/design/prop company is involved.

[WallCrawl]

Yeah, having Fox produce it at the mercy of Tom Rothman would be the kiss of death, so hopefully they won't be interested in the first place. As for the directors, I could imagine why they wouldn't want to just go blabbing who they are, because most directors like to be secretive about what projects they're interested in (unlike say, John Woo, who gets everyone's hopes up by declaring his intent too early and then never does anything).

That's entirely their prerogative of course, but as I'm on the receiving end of the info, I choose to be more cautious about statements made from from someone who is looking to personally gainfinancially from the film, whether the final product is considered quiality or not.

[TheVileOne]

I have a hard time believing that ADV and Gainax (sp?) are capable of pooling the resources necessary to fund the movies by themselves. It's possible that they could find other investors to get there, but I think a more plausible scenario is that they are going to shop the project around to the big studios, one of whome will hopefully handle most of the funding, and distribute the movie.

This came from Matt Greenfield's own mouth. He said they are getting most of their money from Gainax. And they have almost all of it together last I heard. And if its all of their own money, its not as big of a risk for a studio.


And yeah, Peter Jackson has nothing to do with this project, except that his special effects/design/prop company is involved.

That's what I just said ;) .

[Movies205]

To be honest if I was a director I'd simply say **** the fans, there so annoying. You guys act like you know how to make a film and what's best, when you don't. If you did, you'd be film-makers. That's not saying "**** the source material" mind you, but fans IMO matter little because if you make a good movie most of the time they don't really care, there just like any extremist group... hypocritical know-it-alls. THis is really in response to Infamy posts, they really annoyed me.

[TheVileOne]

Well they said **** the fans with LXG and all they got was a big budget bomb.

I still don't see how you can make an EVA movie that audiences have to like and go see without dumbing it down and giving it a more comprehensible ending.

[Timstuff]

To be honest if I was a director I'd simply say **** the fans, there so annoying. You guys act like you know how to make a film and what's best, when you don't. If you did, you'd be film-makers. That's not saying "**** the source material" mind you, but fans IMO matter little because if you make a good movie most of the time they don't really care, there just like any extremist group... hypocritical know-it-alls. THis is really in response to Infamy posts, they really annoyed me.

Honestly, I don't think I'm a big enough Evangelion fan to get PO'd over every tiny little detail that they change in the movie. All I really want is for the movie to be good, and fairly faithful to the Anime. Notice, I said "faithful", not "accurate". I do not confuse the two, even though they are somewhat related.

[TheVileOne]

I wouldn't expect it to be a shot for shot adaptation.

But I refuse to believe they would not dumb it down majorly.

[Timstuff]

They pretty much have to dumb it down, at least a little. But dumbing it down isn't necessarily a bad thing, just different. Evangelion the Anime, in it's raw form would be way too difficult for most audiences to understand. They'll probably end up having to simplify aspects of it to make it easier to digest, but that doesn't mean it will be un-intellegent. It simply means that the Anime is so complex that even a dumbed-down version of it might still be considered intellegent in comparison to most movies these days.

Many people who like the anime feel that at some times it's a little too convoluted for it's own good, while others feel that that's what makes it so good, since you have to use your head. I'd imagine that making the movie will largely be about finding a good balance between these two opinions, so that mainstream audiences can grasp it's concepts, and deeper thinkers can still have nice, long discussions about it.

To me, it's not a question of wether or not the movie is dumbed down/ watered down/streamlined or whatever, but by how much. I think it's possible to do a more acsessable version of Evangelion for western audiences without alienating fans, but we'll just have to trust the film makers to get it right.

[TheVileOne]

I guess so. I personally think the ending of the anime sucks and could use some dumbing down.

Fact is, otaku would NOT accept that. They'd go postal over it.

[Timstuff]

Speaking of Evangelion's ending... :P

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/play_uk.php?id=1003676

[TheVileOne]

Ah, that was cute.

[MaskedManJRK]

Question: What are this pictures from WETA you guys are talking about?

[Timstuff]

Go here and look for yourself.

http://eva.trivialbeing.net/images.php

[TheVileOne]

FYI, those are more than 2 years old.

It feels like there hasn't been much movement on the project since they released these.

[Timstuff]

Yeah, progress has been moving at a snail's pace thus far. I really want to hear some real news on this project, not just "we're still gonna do it".

[Movies205]

Well they said **** the fans with LXG and all they got was a big budget bomb.

I still don't see how you can make an EVA movie that audiences have to like and go see without dumbing it down and giving it a more comprehensible ending.

Well LXG was a crappy movie. That and I said stay faithful, but fans ***** and moan about pretty much everything to the point where you need to just say "**** it", just make a movie that's not pissing on the original source material ala LXG but not to the extent that just becomes a mess.

[Timstuff]

In the transition from Japanese Anime to big-budget American movie, obviousely there's a lot that's going to have to be altered for American audiences to not get confused. But the big question is, are the things that will likely get changed the things that essentially make Evangelion enjoyable in the first place? I don't know, it all depends on what they're changing.

In American movies, we prefer stories that are easily acsessable, and if you're a casual viewer you'll have no problem understanding it, but on further inspection, fans can find a lot of depth and meaning. A prime example would be the Lord of the Rings series, particularly the books). You don't have to read into the deeper meaning or details to "get" that Frodo leaves the shire, and must throw the ring into mount doom while it tries to tempt, corrupt, and torment him. But if you look deeper into it, you find more meaning.

The problem with Evangelion is that the plot is like an onion - to actually "get it", you have to tear through and analyze many layers, and by the time you've reached the core, most people will already be crying from the effort. If you sat down average joe and had him watch all of the show and EoE, and asked him "OK, what was the basic story?" he'd probably reach for a bottle of tylenol. To even understand the narrative of the series, you need to seep yourself in all thing Evangelion, and even then you're still likely to be left puzzled.

It's inevitable that the movie will be "dumbed down", but that's not necessarily a bad thing depending on how much they dumb it down by, and what they're dumbing down. Really, the core of Evangelion to me is angst. It's the ultimate emo story, as in real emo, not guyshadow and wrist cutting. The emphasis of the movie will likely be on that Shinji is a very troubled kid who lost his mother and was rejected by his father, and is now expected to take on the colossal task of protecting the world during the most akward period of his emotional, mental, and physical developement (in this way, Spider-Man is very much real emo, as well), and trying to find his self worth through others rather than himself.

The exact details of the circumstances around him, I think are fair game for some slight alterations so as not to loose audiences. An example of how things might change would be say, they make the Angels be more or less depicted as some sort of force of nature that's awakened when SEELE starts playing god by trying to initiate instrumentality, which is why they give them their moniker (a sort of inside-joke they have that they're being punished by God for their plans), and so the human/angel hybrid Evangelions are created to fend them off while they work their agenda. That example would obviousely be quite a bit different from the Anime, but something like that would be an "understandable" version for western audiences, who likely wouldn't understand the japanese version for beans.

There are many ways that they might alter the details of the basic premise and plot, but these changes will be necessary for the sake of making it acsessable to western audiences. To me, details are not important. I did not cringe in Batman Begins when Bruce Wayne trained under Ra's Al Ghul, who's primary motivation was to cleanse humanity of their corrupt societies rather than cleansing the planet of humanity, because it helped give the movie a smooth-flowing narrative that was understandable, yet still had room for depth and conversation. It's the movie version of Batman, and even though it's different (and some would say "dumbed down") it's still good stuff, and likewise the Evangelion movie will be the "American movie version" versus the "Japanese anime version".

The kind of changes that would tick me off would be like if they made Shinji be 20 years old and named "Sean Isaacs" (and almost completely devoid of angst), made the Angels simply be alien invaders, and eliminated any sort of underlying instrumentality conspiracy, opting for a straightforward "Guy in giant robot must fight the aliens and win" plot. That would not even be Evangelion anymore, and hopefully that's not what they're planning.

[TheVileOne]

I don't think think guys will like Shinji though. I personally have a hard time liking Shinji. Unlike the way people wrongfully complain about Tobey Maguire in Spider-man, Shinji truly is a whiny *****. And he's surrouned by his own harem of girls.

The other thing is, would they actually cast Japanese actors as the leads? Or would they dare cast Americans as people like Shinji Ikari?

And some of the material, with the EVA's is kind of twisted . . . that I can't imagine making it into a PG-13 flick.

[Timstuff]

Yeah, Shinji really is difficult to like. But that's where good writing will have to come in. Evangelion is very much an emo story, and so was Spider-Man, but in Spider-Man, Peter gives us reasons to like him. Shinji also has potential to be a sympathetic, and even endearing protagonist, but we never see his reedeming qualities except that he pilots an Eva (an in the show, that is really an implication that he has none and is compensating). And yeah, he's surrounded by chicks.

As for the actors, I think that Shinji's race isn't entirely relevant. They could probably more easily cast him as a caucasian and say he's half Japanese than they could find an asian actor who would be able to fit it perfectly (he needs to speak perfect english, be good looking, and act well ontop of it), but if they can find a good asian kid to play him, that's dandy as well. I don't really think it matters that much. As for the supporting cast, the only character who I think really needs to be asian is Rei. For some reason out of all the characters, I just can't imagine a non-asian actress playing her.

And yeah, they're gonna have to cut some corners to reach a PG-13 rating. But I think we'll be surprised at what they can do without crossing into R-rated territory.

[Timstuff]

Judging from this CHUD interview, Richard Taylor from Weta still has passion for bringing NGE to the big screen.

Q: So King Kong was Peter’s dream project since he was a child. Is there a dream project you have?

Taylor: There are many ideas that I would love to one day bring to fruition, but I respectfully put them on the back burner while we develop other people’s ideas. But right now probably my greatest desire is to see Neon Genesis Evangelion come to life. I’ve been working on that nearly four years with ADV, the people who own the rights to the live action film. We’ve traveled to Japan, we’ve met the original creators, we have done development work on it. I believe Evangelion, to the Asian market, could be up there with the Lord of the Rings. Of course the Western market has grown and is ready for this amazing film genre.

Q: What is the current status of that film?

Taylor: I don’t honestly know, but that’s not to say that it won’t happen. Everyone’s intentions is to see it happen. It’s a very, very complex property to bring to the world cinema because of its incredible following. It has to be done, hopefully, with great sensitivity and aesthetically with utter perfection. That requires time and thought.

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=6261

It's most certainly worth noting that this interview was regarding King Kong, and that Taylor brought up the subject of Evangelion completely on his own, so clearly he's been thinking about it a lot. :)

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, Shinji really is difficult to like. But that's where good writing will have to come in. Evangelion is very much an emo story, and so was Spider-Man, but in Spider-Man, Peter gives us reasons to like him. Shinji also has potential to be a sympathetic, and even endearing protagonist, but we never see his reedeming qualities except that he pilots an Eva (an in the show, that is really an implication that he has none and is compensating). And yeah, he's surrounded by chicks.

Shinji is a little punk and his attitude ticks me off. Peter had problems but he tries to take them in stride and not wallow in them. Shinji never had food or rent problems like Peter did. Never had to worried about getting fired.


As for the actors, I think that Shinji's race isn't entirely relevant. They could probably more easily cast him as a caucasian and say he's half Japanese than they could find an asian actor who would be able to fit it perfectly (he needs to speak perfect english, be good looking, and act well ontop of it), but if they can find a good asian kid to play him, that's dandy as well. I don't really think it matters that much. As for the supporting cast, the only character who I think really needs to be asian is Rei. For some reason out of all the characters, I just can't imagine a non-asian actress playing her.


It is relevant to me since he's NOT half-Japanese. He's full Japanese. Just like Gendo and Misato and a bunch of the other Nerv characters.

You have Asuka who is 3/4 German.

And then you have Rei who is a clone of Shinji's mommy . . . making her Japanese.


And yeah, they're gonna have to cut some corners to reach a PG-13 rating. But I think we'll be surprised at what they can do without crossing into R-rated territory.

And once again, you can't make EVA PG-13 without gutting it.

[Timstuff]

Shinji is a little punk and his attitude ticks me off. Peter had problems but he tries to take them in stride and not wallow in them. Shinji never had food or rent problems like Peter did. Never had to worried about getting fired.

Yes, and that's part of what I disliked as Shinji as well. Peter Parker, for all his troubles at least has a spine. Shinji on the other hand, doesn't try to fix his problems and instead selfishly waits for them to fix themselves, and wallowing in his misery rather than confronting it.

It is relevant to me since he's NOT half-Japanese. He's full Japanese. Just like Gendo and Misato and a bunch of the other Nerv characters.

Yeah, I know that. But the problem is, I don't think that they're going to bite for a big-budget summer blockbuster with an almost entirely asian cast.

You have Asuka who is 3/4 German.

German = white person, and there are plenty of them avalible. I doubt anyone would notice if the actress wasn't actually German, much less 1/4 Japanese (which is irrelevant, anyway).

And then you have Rei who is a clone of Shinji's mommy . . . making her Japanese.

Obviousely Yiu needs to be asian, but she's not exactly a main character which is why I didn't bother mentioning her. Wether or not Shinji's father is asian would depend entirely on who they cast as Shinji.

And once again, you can't make EVA PG-13 without gutting it.

It's going to be less gory, and there will obviousely be less nudity (as in, almost none). But that doesn't mean that it won't still be very violent and deal with mature themes. They'll just have to be less gratuous about it all, and I can accept that.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, I know that. But the problem is, I don't think that they're going to bite for a big-budget summer blockbuster with an almost entirely asian cast.

It wouldn't have to be entirely Asian. Asuka, one of the main characters would not have to be cast as an Asian.


German = white person, and there are plenty of them avalible. I doubt anyone would notice if the actress wasn't actually German, much less 1/4 Japanese (which is irrelevant, anyway).

That's the idea. You can cast someone like that for Asuka. You can't cast a white guy as SHINJI IKARI.


Obviousely Yiu needs to be asian, but she's not exactly a main character which is why I didn't bother mentioning her. Wether or not Shinji's father is asian would depend entirely on who they cast as Shinji.

Gendo Ikari really can't not be Asian. If they do that then they'd have to start changing the character names. And the EVA fans are not going to tolerate that.

It's going to be less gory, and there will obviousely be less nudity (as in, almost none). But that doesn't mean that it won't still be very violent and deal with mature themes. They'll just have to be less gratuous about it all, and I can accept that.

Fans aren't going to tolerate it though.

[Timstuff]

Keep in mind that Gendo Ikari changed his surname to match his wife's, so in a live action movie that would be a pretty easy explanation as to why he'd be a white guy with a japanese last name.

[TheVileOne]

He's not a white guy though, he's Japanese.

[Timstuff]

I know, but in the movie they might change that.

[TheVileOne]

That would be stupid.

It would be like turning Frodo into an Elf.

[Timstuff]

Yeah, it would be stupid. But brace yourself, because it's likely to happen with at least a few characters.

[Addendum]

Brace myself? If a live action Evangelion comes out, I've no intention of seeing it. I'm content with the Anime

[Timstuff]

Well, I am personally looking forward to it, even though I expect that there will be changes.

[TheVileOne]

Eh well I still think its not happening any time soon.

One thing I would require, the movie opens with Cruel Angel's Thesis and ends with Fly Me To The Moon.

Those songs would have to be the back bone of the score as well.

[Addendum]

Sorta like the Hitchhiker's Guide movie opened with a symphonic version of the Eagles' "Journey of the Sorcerer"

[Timstuff]

Eh well I still think its not happening any time soon.

One thing I would require, the movie opens with Cruel Angel's Thesis and ends with Fly Me To The Moon.

Those songs would have to be the back bone of the score as well.

LOL, sorry, but after reading the actual lyrics to "Fly me to the moon", it'd be impossible for me to ever take it seriousely in a movie. :D

http://evangeliontranslation.ytmnd.com/

[TheVileOne]

LOL, sorry, but after reading the actual lyrics to "Fly me to the moon", it'd be impossible for me to ever take it seriousely in a movie. :D

http://evangeliontranslation.ytmnd.com/
Cute. It still needs to be in the movie.

[Timstuff]

For me, that song was just a painful little reminder of how little money they had to work with towards the end of the show. I really don't see any reason why they'd want it in the movie.

[TheVileOne]

Eh, towards the end? They play it at the end of every episode.

[Timstuff]

Gahh, whatever. It's been a long time since I watched the show. o_o

[Addendum]

Just use the Frank Sinatra version.

[Timstuff]

I suppose that could work, depending on what the ending is like.

[Addendum]

I first heard Frank Sinatra's version, then I saw NGE in college in '97.

I guess I'm one of the few people that doesn't need subtitles when someone with an accent is speaking or singing in English.

[TheVileOne]

If its in Eva, just use the Eva version. That'd be easier than using Sinatra's.

[Timstuff]

Why would you want the Eva version though? It's engrish, and it sounds all silly. Sinatra's version sounds 100x better, and it's the original. Besides, using "oldies" in movies tends to work out fairly well sometimes, and people familiar with Sinatra would instantly recognize his version, wheras with the engrish version, it's more like "What the heck? Who is that that's butchering a classic song?"

[MaskedManJRK]

Why would you want the Eva version though? It's engrish, and it sounds all silly. Sinatra's version sounds 100x better, and it's the original. Besides, using "oldies" in movies tends to work out fairly well sometimes, and people familiar with Sinatra would instantly recognize his version, wheras with the engrish version, it's more like "What the heck? Who is that that's butchering a classic song?"

Gotta agree. Either Ole' Blue Eyes, or no song at all.

[TheVileOne]

Why would you want the Eva version though? It's engrish, and it sounds all silly. Sinatra's version sounds 100x better, and it's the original. Besides, using "oldies" in movies tends to work out fairly well sometimes, and people familiar with Sinatra would instantly recognize his version, wheras with the engrish version, it's more like "What the heck? Who is that that's butchering a classic song?"

Cause I like the EVA version and I want to hear it in the movie. It's that simple.

[Timstuff]

If they want people to take the movie seriousely, they can't have an engrish song at the end. Not only would people laugh, but there's no reason to use it when they could go with a much higher quality one (the original).

[Timstuff]

I think Cruel Angel Thesis is way to trippy sounding to be the themesong of the movie, however I think it would be a great homage if they had a remix of the song playing at a party scene or something.

[TheVileOne]

I think Cruel Angel Thesis is way to trippy sounding to be the themesong of the movie, however I think it would be a great homage if they had a remix of the song playing at a party scene or something.
I don't see what's trippy sounding about it at all.

To me it would be a great show of class by the filmmakers and ADV if they keep it in.

[MaskedManJRK]

I think Cruel Angel Thesis is way to trippy sounding to be the themesong of the movie, however I think it would be a great homage if they had a remix of the song playing at a party scene or something.

My idea would be to take the translated lyrics, change it slightly to fit a rhyme scheme, and get a fairly popular bad to do it (my personal favorite--A Perfect Circle, kickass band, and a lot of their songs fit with the themes of the series).

By the way, here's the latest news I've heard about the live-action Eva movie:

Matt Greenfield says that Weta approached ADV about approaching Gainax to do a live action Eva movie.
Three "A List" directors that are also fans of Evangelion approached ADV about the project, not the other way around.
Greenfield talks about getting their pitch package together and that "the first thing is Robin Williams talking about Evangelion", who is apparently a big Evangelion fan, and the appearance of the Mass Production Eva toy in One Hour Photo is entirely his doing.
Celebrities have been inquiring directly to ADV about being involved in Live Action Evangelion.
The director to be signed will most likely be the first to have room in their schedule.
Greenfield acknowledges the uncertainty of the final product due to the nature of film making being driven by the director.
The slug script was written by a well known writer who has written several well known sci-fi movies. The slug script will be re-written to fit the tastes and vision of the director selected.
Greenfield acknowledges that the children will most likely be age appropriate. The kids will be picked and then the adults will be cast to work well with the children.
Tiffany Grant asserts that Weta gets 20 times more email about Evangelion than Lord of the Rings.
Greenfield says a director will most likely be signed by the end of the year.
Greenfiled says they don't want to make it for profit, but because they want to do it, and they want to do it right, and do it justice in the same way that Lord of the Rings did.Sounds good. What really interests me is Robin Williams being involved...I think I could see him in a role. Maybe Gendo Ikari?

[TheVileOne]

My idea would be to take the translated lyrics, change it slightly to fit a rhyme scheme, and get a fairly popular bad to do it (my personal favorite--A Perfect Circle, kickass band, and a lot of their songs fit with the themes of the series).

I'd sooner have the original Japanese artist just do it in English, bleh :p .


By the way, here's the latest news I've heard about the live-action Eva movie:

Matt Greenfield says that Weta approached ADV about approaching Gainax to do a live action Eva movie.
Three "A List" directors that are also fans of Evangelion approached ADV about the project, not the other way around.
Greenfield talks about getting their pitch package together and that "the first thing is Robin Williams talking about Evangelion", who is apparently a big Evangelion fan, and the appearance of the Mass Production Eva toy in One Hour Photo is entirely his doing.
Celebrities have been inquiring directly to ADV about being involved in Live Action Evangelion.
The director to be signed will most likely be the first to have room in their schedule.
Greenfield acknowledges the uncertainty of the final product due to the nature of film making being driven by the director.
The slug script was written by a well known writer who has written several well known sci-fi movies. The slug script will be re-written to fit the tastes and vision of the director selected.
Greenfield acknowledges that the children will most likely be age appropriate. The kids will be picked and then the adults will be cast to work well with the children.
Tiffany Grant asserts that Weta gets 20 times more email about Evangelion than Lord of the Rings.
Greenfield says a director will most likely be signed by the end of the year.
Greenfiled says they don't want to make it for profit, but because they want to do it, and they want to do it right, and do it justice in the same way that Lord of the Rings did.Sounds good. What really interests me is Robin Williams being involved...I think I could see him in a role. Maybe Gendo Ikari?

I wonder why they can't or won't say who this screenwriter is. A lot of this is the same stuff we've been hearing for almost years. It really seems like there's been little to no movement on this project.

The only character I would cast Williams as is Pen-pen.

[MaskedManJRK]

I'd sooner have the original Japanese artist just do it in English, bleh :p .

The problem with that is...well...the song in English doesn't rhyme; nor does the English lyrics fit the beat of the song.

I think the way the music played might need to be changed too--I don't think audiences would accept a movie which has been hailed as a dramatic, operatic, philosophical movie involving big f**kin' robots to have a theme music that sounds like something Glora-f**kin'-Estefan would do.

The only character I would cast Williams as is Pen-pen.

The guy can play dramatic (One Hour Photo, Insomnia), and from the sounds of it, he's a very big fan of the series and would take it very seriously. I could potentially see him as Gendo (though that would have to make Shinji at least half-white, but I wouldn't mind that). He could possibly play the head SEELE guy as well.

[Timstuff]

Robin Williams being involved...I think I could see him in a role. Maybe Gendo Ikari?

That idea has me very frightened. Hopefully Greenfield was merely making a statement that there are people in the biz who are Eva fans. And Hugo Weaving needs to play Gendo!

When he touts that "Celebrities are interested in the project", it makes me cringe since when I think "celebrity", I usually think "tabloid fodder". That's certainly not something I'd like to be associated with the movie, and it would have been much more comforting if he said "solid actors" instead of "celebrities", but then again we don't really know what he meant by it. For all we know, Paris Hilton might be trying to get the role of Misato and Tom Cruise wants the Church of Scientology to produce it. That definately would not be something to be bragging about.

Other than that, it's good news. I hope that they finally make some progress in getting the movie made soon. Who knows, maybe by the end of the year they'll finally have a studio and director attached, and maybe even get the long awaited green light.

Oh yeah, I also came up with some ideas for the names of the movies in an Eva trilogy.


Evangelion: Beast of War
Evangelion: Dark Revelation
Evangelion: Final Impact


I think that those would work OK, and it would be better than just slapping numbers to the title of the first film.

[MaskedManJRK]

That idea has me very frightened. Hopefully Greenfield was merely making a statement that there are people in the biz who are Eva fans. And Hugo Weaving needs to play Gendo!

When he touts that "Celebrities are interested in the project", it makes me cringe since when I think "celebrity", I usually think "tabloid fodder". That's certainly not something I'd like to be associated with the movie, and it would have been much more comforting if he said "solid actors" instead of "celebrities", but then again we don't really know what he meant by it. For all we know, Paris Hilton might be trying to get the role of Misato and Tom Cruise wants the Church of Scientology to produce it. That definately would not be something to be bragging about.

Other than that, it's good news. I hope that they finally make some progress in getting the movie made soon. Who knows, maybe by the end of the year they'll finally have a studio and director attached, and maybe even get the long awaited green light.

Oh yeah, I also came up with some ideas for the names of the movies in an Eva trilogy.

Evangelion: Beast of War
Evangelion: Dark Revelation
Evangelion: Final Impact
I think that those would work OK, and it would be better than just slapping numbers to the title of the first film.

Eh, Robin's shown that he can play the creepy evil guys very well in One Hour Photo and Insomnia, and since he seems to be a big fan, he probably gets how the characters would work (well, just about as much as any of us know, anyway...).

I got a question for you guys--who could you see as the cast? I know most of you guys probably want unknowns for Shinji, Rei, and Asuka, but what about the other characters? I'll post my ideas when I have more time (I should be writing my novel project right now).

Love the titles you chose, by the way. :up:

[Timstuff]

For some reason the idea of Erica Durance playing Misato tickles me in a good way, but that's if they're planning to westernize some of the characters.

http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/Smallville_S5x273s/smallville_erica_durance_273x400.jpg

I've already said I'd like Hugo Weaving as Gendo. All he needs is the glasses and an "honest abe" beard.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/06/16/06293819_narrowweb__200x246.jpg

Also, on another board someone suggested Jared Leto as Kaji, and I think he would be a pretty good fit.

http://www.magicbus.com.br/images/stars/99889700_1122394445.gif

I'm not sure who I'd cast as Ritsuko or sub-commander Fuyutski (I've heard someone suggest Ian McDirmond as Chairman Lorenz Keel, although that's probably just type-casting). Shinji's mom should be played by an asian actress though, because I thik Rei should be asian and the actress who plays her needs to look like the actress who play's Yui,

[TheVileOne]

The problem with that is...well...the song in English doesn't rhyme; nor does the English lyrics fit the beat of the song.

Then keep it in Japanese or appropriate the lyrics. It's not rocket science.


I think the way the music played might need to be changed too--I don't think audiences would accept a movie which has been hailed as a dramatic, operatic, philosophical movie involving big f**kin' robots to have a theme music that sounds like something Glora-f**kin'-Estefan would do.


Nonsense is all I'm reading here. Cruel Angel's Thesis is one of the best anime themes of all time.


The guy can play dramatic (One Hour Photo, Insomnia), and from the sounds of it, he's a very big fan of the series and would take it very seriously. I could potentially see him as Gendo (though that would have to make Shinji at least half-white, but I wouldn't mind that). He could possibly play the head SEELE guy as well.

He's not Gendo. He's not Japanese.

[Timstuff]

To me, Cruel Angel's Thesis sounds like something you'd hear when you walk into a dance club. I've never actually felt that it was a good fit for the show, but I'm guessing I'm in the minority in thinking that. Chances are we won't hear it in the movie outside of a "cameo appearance" in the background of a scene anyway though.

And Gendo doesn't have to be Japanese, just like Kingpin didn't have to be white. If they cast a white kid as Shinji, they'll get a white actor for Gendo. If they cast an asian actor as Shinji, they'll get an asian actor for Gendo. Simple as that.

[jmao]

whats up with all these white people? arent there gonna be any japanese people in this movie?

[Timstuff]

Rei needs to be asian, and thusly so does Yui Ikari. The actor for Shinji can be white, asian, or mixed. Asuka needs to be white. Most of the other characters can be white, asian, or mixed. It all depends on who can pull off the most satasfying performance, regardless of ethnicity.

[Timstuff]

I was just thinking earlier today... Wouldn't it be interesting if for the motion capture on the Evangelions, instead of just getting generic stuntmen to do it, they had the actual actors playing the kids do it? It would be a cool but subtle reminder during the Eva scenes that the kids are inside of those things making them move.

[TheVileOne]

If WETA did the production I bet they'd do something like that.

Cruel Angel's thesis is great because it jazzes me up. It's cool and its not something you hear in movies a lot.

The movie needs an opening like that. If they have an opening like the series with Cruel Angel's thesis, that's points for me.

Gendo is Japanese, he's not a white guy.

[Timstuff]

The thing is, a movie is a very different format from a TV show, so I really don't see how opening with CAT would work. In a show you almost always have an intro sequence accompanied by a song that becomes familiar, wheras in a movie that's not how it's done (with a few exceptions like Mission: Impossible). I like the idea of fitting the song into the movie somewhere in homage to the show, but I don't think that it would work as the centerpiece of the soundtrack.

As for your comment about Gendo, I'd like to remind you of something. Kingpin was white, not black. But that didn't stop them from casting Michael Clark Duncan as him in the DD movie (and while personally I felt that movie was rather crappy, MCD was as close to a perfect match as you can get without CG). They should cast whoever is best able to convey the character, and in this case I believe that it's Hugo Weaving.

[TheVileOne]

The thing is, a movie is a very different format from a TV show, so I really don't see how opening with CAT would work. In a show you almost always have an intro sequence accompanied by a song that becomes familiar, wheras in a movie that's not how it's done (with a few exceptions like Mission: Impossible). I like the idea of fitting the song into the movie somewhere in homage to the show, but I don't think that it would work as the centerpiece of the soundtrack.

So EVA can be one of the exceptions, bleh :p .


As for your comment about Gendo, I'd like to remind you of something. Kingpin was white, not black. But that didn't stop them from casting Michael Clark Duncan as him in the DD movie (and while personally I felt that movie was rather crappy, MCD was as close to a perfect match as you can get without CG). They should cast whoever is best able to convey the character, and in this case I believe that it's Hugo Weaving.

And I felt Michael Clarke Duncan was a poor Kingpin and was nowhere near as menacing or intimidating as he is in the comics. He came off more as a thug or a henchman than the big boss.

I think they should actually instead of looking for names, see that there are quality Asian actors that can act.

You don't need Smith or V as freaking Gendo.

[Timstuff]

CAT is a very dated song also though. If it's the first thing people hear when they sit down in the theater, they're going to say "When was this movie made? 1986?" It just plain wouldn't work that well IMO.

Also, there are plenty of good Asian actors. However, most of them can't speak english without a very thick accent, and that would seriousely annoy a lot of people. And selection of actors who speak perfect english AND look and act the parts is even smaller. Basically, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. For practical reasons alone, it's inevitable that at least some of the characters will be white or part white. And also you've got to consider that they're not going to make a 150 million dollar blockbuster epic with an all-asian cast. America is a melting pot, and to appeal to that melting pot they're going to need at least a multi-ethnic cast with a lot more white people. The only white person in the entire series was Asuka, and everyone else was Japanese. A summer blockbuster with an all-asian cast, wether you think it's fair or not, would not be a sucsess at the BO.

[MaskedManJRK]

For some reason the idea of Erica Durance playing Misato tickles me in a good way, but that's if they're planning to westernize some of the characters.

http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/Smallville_S5x273s/smallville_erica_durance_273x400.jpg

If they went the American route for her, what about Angelina Jolie? She has the hot, slight mix of whorish and creepy down PAT...

[TheVileOne]

CAT is a very dated song also though. If it's the first thing people hear when they sit down in the theater, they're going to say "When was this movie made? 1986?" It just plain wouldn't work that well IMO.

Rah bah bah. So modern it up a little bit. Do what Square Enix did for One Winged Angel.


Also, there are plenty of good Asian actors. However, most of them can't speak english without a very thick accent, and that would seriousely annoy a lot of people. And selection of actors who speak perfect english AND look and act the parts is even smaller. Basically, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. For practical reasons alone, it's inevitable that at least some of the characters will be white or part white. And also you've got to consider that they're not going to make a 150 million dollar blockbuster epic with an all-asian cast. America is a melting pot, and to appeal to that melting pot they're going to need at least a multi-ethnic cast with a lot more white people. The only white person in the entire series was Asuka, and everyone else was Japanese. A summer blockbuster with an all-asian cast, wether you think it's fair or not, would not be a sucsess at the BO.

There are many that can speak English. The problem is that Hollywood won't cast them.

[Timstuff]

If they went the American route for her, what about Angelina Jolie? She has the hot, slight mix of whorish and creepy down PAT...

But Misato isn't supposed to come off as whorish or creepy (outwardly, at least)... She's supposed to be fun, charming, smart, and caring. Also, Angelina Jolie is already the "fan favorite" casting choice for pretty much every female role in existance, so I cannot stand the idea of her playing Misato.

[Timstuff]

Rah bah bah. So modern it up a little bit. Do what Square Enix did for One Winged Angel.

Those are two completely different musical styles. Simply "sprucing it up" wouldn't be enough to hide the fact that it's a very dated song. They'd have to re-write it to the point where it barely resembles the original at all.

There are many that can speak English. The problem is that Hollywood won't cast them.

Being asian doesn't automatically make them a good fit for the role, either. Shinji is going to be particularly hard to cast if they want an asian actor, because not only does he need to be a good looking wide-eyed boy who can portray Shinji's angst without comign off as a whiney ******, but he also has to be able to speak perfect english. Finding quality Asian actors who can speak english without an accent and fit the roles correctly is like looking for a needle in a haystack, as I said before. "Westernizing" some of the characters by casting their anglo-saxon equivelents would result in a lot less headaches.

[TheVileOne]

Those are two completely different musical styles. Simply "sprucing it up" wouldn't be enough to hide the fact that it's a very dated song. They'd have to re-write it to the point where it barely resembles the original at all.

They update classic themes all the time. Michael Buble and the Ramones updated the Spider-man theme song and did some fantastic **** with it.

All I'm hearing from you are excuses. At least I'm coming up with solutions.


Being asian doesn't automatically make them a good fit for the role, either. Shinji is going to be particularly hard to cast if they want an asian actor, because not only does he need to be a good looking wide-eyed boy who can portray Shinji's angst without comign off as a whiney ******, but he also has to be able to speak perfect english. Finding quality Asian actors who can speak english without an accent and fit the roles correctly is like looking for a needle in a haystack, as I said before. "Westernizing" some of the characters by casting their anglo-saxon equivelents would result in a lot less headaches.

Well they found an Asian chick with a Scottish accent to play Cho Chang in Harry Potter. In other words, these actors exist. You just have to look for them.

The kids should be young, unknown teenaged actors anyway.

Once again, just because Hollywood is racist and doesn't like to cast Asian actors in lead roles doesn't mean they don't exist.

[Addendum]

Take after James Bond.

An opening scene, then the opening credits with Cruel Angel Thesis. Perfect solution except for those that want it to open different.

[MJB]

Yeah, having Fox produce it at the mercy of Tom Rothman would be the kiss of death If they find a good looking teenage asian/asian-american boy who speaks perfect english and happens to be a very gifted with acting, then great! But if they can't, then they can always fall back on the option of making Shinji be part-Japanese, which IMO would not be a bad option. They'd just have to have one of his parents being asian, and people would have no trouble buying that hes a white or mostly white person with a Japanese name. Whoever it is they choose, as long as he can act the part and has a good screen presence for the role, I don't really care wether he's asian, caucasian, or something in between.


Amen with on FOX doing it. They would destroy it. An american studio will change the races of the Asian kids to white and thus embark on their so called moving making mission to adapt the film will end up ruining it, especially Fox.

A good looking Asian American boy who can speak english and can act? Um that sounds bad man and sterotypical. I'm 100 percent confident that one can be found easily. An unknown he will be. If you've seen Akeelah and The Bee their's an Asian kid in there who's around 15 with clear english and good acting skills and in a non predator judgement he wasn't bad looking.

[Timstuff]

By this logic we can just as well assume that Gainax is racist since all of the characters in Evangelion are Japanese except for one. My point is that it doesn't really matter as long as the actors can do the parts well. If they can find a perfect match for Shinji who's asian, then great! If they can't, but there's a white kid who could play the part well, then I don't see why they wouldn't use him. It all comes down to who's the best actors for the parts, and personally I don't think that race should be an issue.

And I know for a fact that at least SOME of the characters will end up being white in the movie, because they're not going to make a 150 million dollar blockbuster with an completely asian cast.

[TheVileOne]

Take after James Bond.

An opening scene, then the opening credits with Cruel Angel Thesis. Perfect solution except for those that want it to open different.

There you go. Perfect solution.

[TheVileOne]

By this logic we can just as well assume that Gainax is racist since all of the characters in Evangelion are Japanese except for one. My point is that it doesn't really matter as long as the actors can do the parts well. If they can find a perfect match for Shinji who's asian, then great! If they can't, but there's a white kid who could play the part well, then I don't see why they wouldn't use him. It all comes down to who's the best actors for the parts, and personally I don't think that race should be an issue.


Blame Anno who originally did the manga. It was manga before anime. Gainax didn't come up with the story.

Also, its a Japanese anime that takes place in Japan. So the main cast is Japanese. There's nothing racist about it.

And you don't cast a white kid as Shinji Ikari, that's f'n ridiculous. It's like casting a white kid as young Martin Luther King Jr.

It's like in TO KILL A MOCKINBIRD, casting a white guy as Tom Robinson.


And I know for a fact that at least SOME of the characters will end up being white in the movie, because they're not going to make a 150 million dollar blockbuster with an completely asian cast.

Then they are going to have to change the names and origins of the characters, its that simple.

[Timstuff]

This thread should explain things pretty well.

http://forums.trivialbeing.net/index.php?showtopic=3992

[TheVileOne]

This thread should explain things pretty well.

http://forums.trivialbeing.net/index.php?showtopic=3992

Misato's father wasn't a Frenchie.

If you want to cast white actors. Then you don't make the characters Japanese. It's that simple.

[MaskedManJRK]

But Misato isn't supposed to come off as whorish or creepy (outwardly, at least)... She's supposed to be fun, charming, smart, and caring. Also, Angelina Jolie is already the "fan favorite" casting choice for pretty much every female role in existance, so I cannot stand the idea of her playing Misato.

I dunno, remember in the End where she practically shoved her tongue down Shinji's mouth and promised him more if they both survived the attack on the base. I don't know about you, but that's kinda creepy to me. :o

[jmao]

lol he said misato looks like a french chick... they all look the same just with different hair...

it sounds stupid cause theyd have to explain to everyone watching the movie why the white chick has a japanese name



damnit this evangelion movie is making me hate white people... just because whites are supposed to be the majority doesnt mean every main character in every movie has to be white... id like to see a big movie come out in america where there are no white people lol
i know the eva movie isnt going to be ALL white... but still i dont think there should be anyone white except asuka whose supposed to be... and maybe Ritsuko... whose blonde and looks white
and i dont even think most japanese will care that america is going to changed evangelion completely... which makes me even more angry... hulk smash

[Timstuff]

I dunno, remember in the End where she practically shoved her tongue down Shinji's mouth and promised him more if they both survived the attack on the base. I don't know about you, but that's kinda creepy to me. :o

Within the context of the story it made sense, but that was hardly a moment to justify casting Angelina Jolie. It was fairly shocking when it happened, and if they cast Angelina Jolie it would be like "So what? I expected that to happen when she first walked on screen." Jolie is completely wrong for the part and the only someone would suggest her is because she's the fan favorite for every female action role, even though she shouldn't be.

it sounds stupid cause theyd have to explain to everyone watching the movie why the white chick has a japanese name

In Firefly they didn't need to explain why everyone uses Chinese swear words even though none of the characters are Asian (except for a few random extras). Don't get me wrong, I think there needs to be a lot of Asians in Evangelion. But if they want to cast white people as Gendo, Misato, Ritsuko, or whoever, I don't think they should be afraid to.

[TheVileOne]

I dunno, remember in the End where she practically shoved her tongue down Shinji's mouth and promised him more if they both survived the attack on the base. I don't know about you, but that's kinda creepy to me. :o

That was just Misato being Misato. I think she was pretty sure that she wasn't going to survive. It was an empty promise. It was more like Misato expressing her affection and love for Shinji in her way.

[Timstuff]

Yup, you hit the ol' nail on the head. Misato knew she was most likely a goner, and she wanted to give Shinji all the strength she could. That doesn't necessarily make Misato a creep, it just shows how much she cared for Shinji.

[Timstuff]

Last night me and my brothers did some thinking and came up with our dream cast for the main adults of the movie, if they're going to be using white actors (which they probably will be for a lot of characters).

Misato Katsuragi - Rachel McAdams

http://www.gazette.uwo.ca/.%2F2005%2F09%20September%2F14%2Fpictures%2F06A%20 (rachel%20mcadams).jpg

Gendo Ikari - Alfred Molina

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/news-spidey2header-6.jpg

Ryohji Kaji - Jared Leto

http://www.magicbus.com.br/images/stars/99889700_1122394445.gif

Kouzou Fuyutski - Liam Neeson

http://www.videomax.ro/Images/Actors/981_a_normal.jpg

Ritsuko Aikagi - Famke Janssen

http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2005/fox/hideandseek/images/famke-janssen.jpg

[Timstuff]

no thread, don't die!

[Timstuff]

Well, at long last, there's some GOOD news involving the Evangelion movie... Apparently, they've finally gotten a director signed on, and are ready to move!

Eva live action director and financing in place?
According to one of our forum members, zandor117, who was present at the ADV panel at Anime Weekend Atlanta, ADV's David Williams said that the Evangelion live action movie is now moving into production. We have seen no other report, even though the same panel was used to announce several anime licenses that have been reported by reputable anime news sources.

According to zandor117, this is what was said:

Questioner: "Is there anything new about the EVA movie?"

David Williams: "The EVA movie is now in Production"

Questioner: "Can you tell us the director?"

David Williams: "I am not allowed to say that yet."

ADV has not yet commented further.

While this does not seem like full production (i.e. filming actors) or even fully fledged pre-production like set building, the main concrete news seems to be that a director has signed on, moving the project beyond the proposal and development phase. Previously, negotiations were under way with a shortlist of directors who had expressed an interest, but the decision had not been made yet.

http://eva.trivialbeing.net/

I wonder who the director could be... I'm hoping it's Joss Whedon, but I'm sure there are other qualified candidates out there who could have signed on. Hopefully we'll finally see some real movement on this project after 4 years of preproduction hell!

[Batman1987]

Gendo Ikari:

Hugh Laurie:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041110/041110_hugh_laurie_11a.widec.jpg
or
Christian Bale
http://batman.ugo.com/images/galleries/batman_begins_filmtv/3.jpg

[TheVileOne]

I still don't like any of these casting choices.

As for the production. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Avangarde]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Word! As much as I would love to see this movie I keep thinking production axed sooner or later :(

[batboy99]

If they went the American route for her, what about Angelina Jolie? She has the hot, slight mix of whorish and creepy down PAT...
NO! NOT jolie, jeez shes is litterally mentioned for EVERY damn female role out there!