Civil War: Whos side are you on?

[3dman27]

Isn't this takin' place in America? So I doubt it.
maybe they're in the u.s. on buisness[superheroic or civilian] and blunder into it

[comicbookmaster]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/687/687296p1.html

Here is the 1st cover from the upcoming Civil War:http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/687/687227/civil-war-20060209074640053.jpg
whos blood is that on cap's shield?
anyway, pretty amazing art :up:





I was outrage to hear this,bad enough that there was mutant registration act now theres a super hero registration act to endanger people like peter parker or matt murdock if they decide to retire or have a family.the goverment should keep better track of child killers and such.
This will be great reading!!!!!

[Sub-Zero]

so all the x-men did for 40+ years was for nothing. now there's another registration act. this is ludicrous.:eek:

[XwolverineX]

I was outrage to hear this,bad enough that there was mutant registration act now theres a super hero registration act to endanger people like peter parker or matt murdock if they decide to retire or have a family.the goverment should keep better track of child killers and such.
This will be great reading!!!!!



Hehehe, lol. It's only a comics, man. :D An' be where, this may not be as great as yer expectin'!

[stillanerd]

The "Captain America flees to Canada" rumor is officially dead:



NRAMA: Speaking of ramifications of Civil War…Alpha Flight?

That's it… just talk about Alpha Flight. You know the questions on people's minds.

MM: Well, the two big questions are whether Cap flees for Canada and whether I'm writing the Alpha Flight spin-off book. To answer the first, no, Cap doesn’t flee for Canada because that's just bloody stupid and completely out of character.

However, there's some truth in the other rumor floated recently about the origins of the new Alpha Flight team. I pitched the idea to Marvel just as they were preparing a new Alpha Flight book (with an excellent writer I really like) and they were incredibly accommodating, working all my plans into their series and launching the whole thing from Civil War.

So I guess the answer to this question is:

Which team will be reformed as a result of Civil War?
B. Alpha Flight

More on the Mark Millar interview here:
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/millar/millar_2.html

[gildea]

Something in that interview caught my eye, that the focus isn't so much on superheroes registering but on actually being in the employ of the government and being viewed as akin to police and fire depts.

[PWN3R]

I am just super excited to the extreme level of being super excited that Wolverine will only have a MINOR role.....:D

[The Batman]

I just like that it seems like Marvel is actually putting work into this series. Also, the fact that millar's writing instead of bendis puts me at ease.

[roach]

I would have prefered someone else write this series. Millar in his writing is very anti-government.From the interviews I have read this series isnt very well thought out. It is more of new Marvel writing where they use a character and not have them act in character. This story hinges on The New Warriors attacking a character named NUKE next to a school. I dont recall the NW acting that incompetent. So after this incident the government passes a Superhero registration act....yet had so much trouble debating a Mutant Registration act(and I am sure Magneto has killed more people than the NW act of stupidity). Now instead of consulting national hero Captain America the government passes this act. This act causes Cap and Ironman to be at odds against each other.......

....I long for the days that a supervillain did more than faint when Cage gave them a dirty look. Hell I'd even forgive Marvel is some evil mastermind is behind this....nope not gonna happen.

[Fantastic Fan22]

I would have prefered someone else write this series. Millar in his writing is very anti-government.From the interviews I have read this series isnt very well thought out. It is more of new Marvel writing where they use a character and not have them act in character. This story hinges on The New Warriors attacking a character named NUKE next to a school. I dont recall the NW acting that incompetent. So after this incident the government passes a Superhero registration act....yet had so much trouble debating a Mutant Registration act(and I am sure Magneto has killed more people than the NW act of stupidity). Now instead of consulting national hero Captain America the government passes this act. This act causes Cap and Ironman to be at odds against each other.......

....I long for the days that a supervillain did more than faint when Cage gave them a dirty look. Hell I'd even forgive Marvel is some evil mastermind is behind this....nope not gonna happen.

From the interviews i've read i think your analysis is limited at best, but thats just my opinion. Check this interview out http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/millar/millar_2.html

[roach]

nothing in the interview changed my opinions of CW

[Darthphere]

I think its fair to expect a lot of political subtext in this story. Though, if your a fan of Ultimates(which im not by the way) it wont be anything new. I have high hopes for this story however, and hopefully he doesnt ruin it too much of his political view points. Thoguh Roach, I dont necessarily see an anti-government snetiment in the story as of now, its possible.

[gildea]

people choose to be superheroes people DON'T choose to be mutants.


Comparing a mutant registration to a superhero employment & registration act is a bit unfair.





nice avatar darth

[GNR]

I've become more excited about Mark doing a 36 issue run more than anything.

[Darthphere]

people choose to be superheroes people DON'T choose to be mutants.


Comparing a mutant registration to a superhero employment & registration act is a bit unfair.





nice avatar darth


Good point. And thanks.:up:

[roach]

I think its fair to expect a lot of political subtext in this story. Though, if your a fan of Ultimates(which im not by the way) it wont be anything new. I have high hopes for this story however, and hopefully he doesnt ruin it too much of his political view points. Thoguh Roach, I dont necessarily see an anti-government snetiment in the story as of now, its possible.


I read Ultimates until the anti government writing came out.

[roach]

people choose to be superheroes people DON'T choose to be mutants.


Comparing a mutant registration to a superhero employment & registration act is a bit unfair.





nice avatar darth


what does that have to do with registration????
Magneto has killed more humans than the NW mistake. In fact during his last attack he enslaved NY city. Yet the Marvel legislature cant seem to pass an act to register Mutants. Regardless if it is a choice or not. Hell if it wasnt for these superheroes the earth would have been destroyed countless times....the universe even.

[XwolverineX]

I am just super excited to the extreme level of being super excited that Wolverine will only have a MINOR role.....:D

I hope you rot, in hell. For all of eternity. By yer ***in' self. :mad::down

[Darthphere]

So how many issue til this gets delayed?

[Fantastic Fan22]

nothing in the interview changed my opinions of CW

Fair enough, to each his own

[Not Jake]

That fooking cover, frucking Michael Turner drawing Wolverine with his funking 90s long costume ears, and Reed Richards looking fecking 25 years old:mad:

[PWN3R]

I hope you rot, in hell. For all of eternity. By yer ***in' self. :mad::down

As long as Wolverine isn't there, that will be fine bub. :D


Has anyone posted this yet? I think its the variant cover for issue #3...


http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1924/civilwar03covvariant4ta.jpg

[XwolverineX]

As long as Wolverine isn't there, that will be fine bub. :D


Has anyone posted this yet? I think its the variant cover for issue #3...


http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1924/civilwar03covvariant4ta.jpg


Hmmm.... Nice find...

[gildea]

what does that have to do with registration????
Magneto has killed more humans than the NW mistake. In fact during his last attack he enslaved NY city. Yet the Marvel legislature cant seem to pass an act to register Mutants. Regardless if it is a choice or not. Hell if it wasnt for these superheroes the earth would have been destroyed countless times....the universe even.

The distinction between an accident of birth and a conscious decision to practice a brand of law enforcement is pretty self evident and why it is all about choice. After all heroes could simply choose to retire a mutant couldn't do that at the time the registration programme was considered.

When you force people to register something that they have no choice in it becomes a big human rights issue. For instance for years i've advocated a registration program for people cursed with red/ginger coloured hair to no avail :(

Mutants are an ethnic group in the MU it would be a blatantly racist policy. Just because magneto commits a crime that group has to register something they have no control over? In my example if a ginger person commits a crime (and i'm sure lots do) I doubt i'd be able to use that as leverage to get my registration programme running.

Superheroes make the choice to influence society with their actions, the goverment is saying if they want to influence society directly it's only right they should be accountable to society. (remember the issue here really isn't registration but the government becomes the employer of the heroes this isn't just reveal your identity this is reveal your identity and submit to our will).

[Darthphere]

In short what Gildea is saying. Mutants are born with powers, so registering them is like making a black guy register just because hes black. Other heroes chose to be heroes, they can stop when they want. hence, they should be registered as a result of theyre choosing to be what they are.


More or less correct?

[gildea]

exactly correct.

...I just used my post to expound my xenophobic views on ginger people.

[Darthphere]

I understand, even though I dont necessarily agree with it. Its interesting to see the sides heroes are taking. The most interesting IMO is Reed and Sue Richards. I imagine Reed is pro because hes never really had a secret identity and due to his nature is somewhat disconnected to the world. i dont nkow if anyone else gets this feeling. Hes stuck in a lab most of his life I think he has a naive viewpoint of the world IMO. Sue as a mother seems more in touch with whats going on and her stance isnt surprising. Im assuming shes thinking that franklin would have to be registered as well and thats threatening to a mother.

[Xofenroht]

Not to mention, since Decimation, many of these mutants are going to have to register any way or have been registered/accounted for already.

[stillanerd]

Roach, with regards to you belief that Millar is likely to write Civil War as being appearing to be anti-government, you're probably more correct than you realize. Almost every promotional material on Civil War usually references the current political situation, often citing September 11, the war on terrorism, Guantanemo Bay, Iraq, Wiretapping, Civil Liberties, etc. and keep saying that it will be "fair and balanced" and that "there is no right or wrong side" with regards to superheroes registering. But consider the following:

1. The fact that superbeing registration requires by law for ANYONE with superpowers and/or wears a costume to be "drafted" into S.H.E.I.L.D. simply because they are a superhero rather than giving them the option of which federal agency they wish to belong to (remember, most superheroes CHOSE to use their powers as crimefighters, meaning they could’ve used their abilities to do something else.)

2. There's this commentary in CBR's interview with Paul Jenkis regarding his Civil War:Front Line series:
Basically we're going to set up that Ben [Urich]is sort of working for Rupert Murdoch. That's just who Jameson is," Jenkins continued. "That's something that Robbie Robertson points out to him early on and it's something that he knows full well. The truth is your primary goal is as a reporter, but that's not your job. Your primary job is to sell newspapers. In Jonah's world, it's like a tabloid of sorts, the idea of being subversive and writing things as you really see them won't fly because Jonah doesn't give a rat's ass whether you see it that way or not. It's like, 'Here's your editorial angle. Here's the things that I'm asking you to write and if you don't want to write them, I'll go get someone else to write them.' He doesn't have a choice, it's a bit more right slanted. Sally is more left slanted. Ben's told, 'We approve of the registration act.' Sally doesn't approve personally.
In other words, Ben Urich is privately against registration but is forced to write pro-registration articles in order to keep his job at the Bugle.

3. Tony Stark, although on the pro-registration side, is not exactly in favor of registration. Rather he’s willing to take advantage of the political situation to further his own ends of having a superhero collation. He’s even willing to argue against registration on Capitol Hill while at the same time volunteering his survices before a vote can take place in order to kill the legislation. Also, according to Newsarama's preview of the first two issues, he only chooses to register due to circumstance rather than being in support of the act.

4. Captain America is against it despite the fact that he’s already registered--meaning, since he's a soldier already, he'll be AWOL and those heroes he leads will be the equivalent of draft dodgers. (This, dispite the fact that he frowns upon vigilantes believing that while their heart is in the right place they’re still amateurs.) Oh, and for those who cite the fact that he became Nomad, he resigned his commission first before becoming Nomad, but in this instance he’s still wearing the Cap outfit.

5. That super villains seem to be siding with those who are pro-registration, as hinted at the Thunderbolts cover with Iron Man shaking hands with Baron Zemo. True, while Zemo is apparently "one of the good guys" he still has a checkered past and is a facist to boot.

6. That the government, who are behind this act, and especially S.H.E.I.L.D., who enforces it, are clearly being portrayed in a more negative light in comparison to the heroes. Given Millar's comment in the recent Newsarama interview:

Remember how dull books were under Clinton? Like the 80s, we need a Republican in the White House to react against to make good comics. Well done, Bush. May you reign forever.

7. Out of the apparent tourterers from Wizard's Civil War quiz--Namor, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, and Iron Man--which is the only one on that list who is pro-registration? Considering the debate over whether or not the United States can use tourtre in the interrogation of terrorist suspects, and since those on the Registration side are working for the government, then if Iron Man is the tourtrer, then that clinches it.

In short, it seems pretty clear that Marvel is stacking the deck in favor of the anti-registration side.

[PWN3R]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/millar/millar_2.html


New Civil War pics....

[Speedball]

I would really like to know if Speedball is dead.
He shouldnt be, that blast shouldnt even effect him.

[Dodger]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/millar/CIVILWAR-03cov-Variant.jpg

That's pretty cool.

[gildea]

jamieson has been forcing people to right anti superhero stuff for years.


5. That super villains seem to be siding with those who are pro-registration, as hinted at the Thunderbolts cover with Iron Man shaking hands with Baron Zemo. True, while Zemo is apparently "one of the good guys" he still has a checkered past and is a facist to boot.



Namor also has a checkered past. Wolverine on the anti reg side is a known killer. etc etc No one team is clean.


6. That the government, who are behind this act, and especially S.H.E.I.L.D., who enforces it, are clearly being portrayed in a more negative light in comparison to the heroes. Given Millar's comment in the recent Newsarama interview:


You can hardly say "clear portrayed" when you haven't read the story and are basing it on a quote about the us president and not the story itself. Nothin is clear yet.



7. Out of the apparent tourterers from Wizard's Civil War quiz--Namor, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, and Iron Man--which is the only one on that list who is pro-registration? Considering the debate over whether or not the United States can use tourtre in the interrogation of terrorist suspects, and since those on the Registration side are working for the government, then if Iron Man is the tourtrer, then that clinches it.


We'll see, but you're probably right here.


I really don't think things are a 'stacked' as you say but to each our own :)

[XwolverineX]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/millar/CIVILWAR-03cov-Variant.jpg

That's pretty cool.

Yeah, I really like it. :up:

[roach]

Roach, with regards to you belief that Millar is likely to write Civil War as being appearing to be anti-government, you're probably more correct than you realize. Almost every promotional material on Civil War usually references the current political situation, often citing September 11, the war on terrorism, Guantanemo Bay, Iraq, Wiretapping, Civil Liberties, etc. and keep saying that it will be "fair and balanced" and that "there is no right or wrong side" with regards to superheroes registering. But consider the following:

1. The fact that superbeing registration requires by law for ANYONE with superpowers and/or wears a costume to be "drafted" into S.H.E.I.L.D. simply because they are a superhero rather than giving them the option of which federal agency they wish to belong to (remember, most superheroes CHOSE to use their powers as crimefighters, meaning they could’ve used their abilities to do something else.)

2. There's this commentary in CBR's interview with Paul Jenkis regarding his Civil War:Front Line series:

In other words, Ben Urich is privately against registration but is forced to write pro-registration articles in order to keep his job at the Bugle.

3. Tony Stark, although on the pro-registration side, is not exactly in favor of registration. Rather he’s willing to take advantage of the political situation to further his own ends of having a superhero collation. He’s even willing to argue against registration on Capitol Hill while at the same time volunteering his survices before a vote can take place in order to kill the legislation. Also, according to Newsarama's preview of the first two issues, he only chooses to register due to circumstance rather than being in support of the act.

4. Captain America is against it despite the fact that he’s already registered--meaning, since he's a soldier already, he'll be AWOL and those heroes he leads will be the equivalent of draft dodgers. (This, dispite the fact that he frowns upon vigilantes believing that while their heart is in the right place they’re still amateurs.) Oh, and for those who cite the fact that he became Nomad, he resigned his commission first before becoming Nomad, but in this instance he’s still wearing the Cap outfit.

5. That super villains seem to be siding with those who are pro-registration, as hinted at the Thunderbolts cover with Iron Man shaking hands with Baron Zemo. True, while Zemo is apparently "one of the good guys" he still has a checkered past and is a facist to boot.

6. That the government, who are behind this act, and especially S.H.E.I.L.D., who enforces it, are clearly being portrayed in a more negative light in comparison to the heroes. Given Millar's comment in the recent Newsarama interview:



7. Out of the apparent tourterers from Wizard's Civil War quiz--Namor, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, and Iron Man--which is the only one on that list who is pro-registration? Considering the debate over whether or not the United States can use tourtre in the interrogation of terrorist suspects, and since those on the Registration side are working for the government, then if Iron Man is the tourtrer, then that clinches it.

In short, it seems pretty clear that Marvel is stacking the deck in favor of the anti-registration side.

It was the writer's anti government slant that made me drop Ultimates. The most appalling scene to me was having the US military members shove a little kid to the ground after Iron Man saved him.

[XwolverineX]

It was the writer's anti government slant that made me drop Ultimates. The most appalling scene to me was having the US military members shove a little kid to the ground after Iron Man saved him.


When did that occur in The Ultimates? I gotta check it out. :confused:

[roach]

during the first battle with the aliens....when Iron Man is down and they have to convince him to return into the fight. These two boys see him and he convinces himself to join the fight. The kids cheer as he flies back into battle and then a soldier comes and pushes them to the ground

[Fantasyartist]

personally i favour the heroes who maintain that it's none of the government's business who they are- and refuse to register. Think about it, if in real life the National Rifle Association can successfully object to gun control registration because it's none of Uncle Sam's business which law abiding US citizen owns what gun, if you can be jailed for "outing" a CIA agent, then by what right does the Government have the right to DEMAND that law abiding American citizens or residents( pace Wolverine or Colossus who are not citizens) reveal their identities or face prosecution. And what of security concerns- as i noticed in a previous post, if the Mafia can penetrate the Federal Witness Protection Programme and if the KGB can infiltrate the CIA and FBI, then Dr Doom, Magneto or the Red Skull should find it pretty easy to find out the real names of heroes(this many not matter for the Fantastic Four whose identities are public record-ditto Iron Man and Captain America- but for Spider-Man, Daredevil and the X-Men, the risk to not just themselves or their loved ones is obvious.
Whatever happened to that old Reagan Administration catchphrase: "Get government off the backs of the people!"? (presumably not super heroes)

Get serious, this proposed superhero registration law is a bad idea!


Terry

[Fantasyartist]

And what about other country's heroes visiting the US (viz Canada's Alpha Flight or Russia's Winter Guard) will they be forced to divulge their true identities( I presume that the Canadian and Russian governments already know them of course, having recruited trained and costumed them)?Common sense says yes!

[3dman27]

And what about other country's heroes visiting the US (viz Canada's Alpha Flight or Russia's Winter Guard) will they be forced to divulge their true identities( I presume that the Canadian and Russian governments already know them of course, having recruited trained and costumed them)?Common sense says yes!
this is a very good question i agree with th points in both your posts

[Ookami_Wolf1]

I am on Captain America's side.

[XwolverineX]

during the first battle with the aliens....when Iron Man is down and they have to convince him to return into the fight. These two boys see him and he convinces himself to join the fight. The kids cheer as he flies back into battle and then a soldier comes and pushes them to the ground



Oh, I see. Never read Volume 1. :down

[CaptainStacy]

personally i favour the heroes who maintain that it's none of the government's business who they are- and refuse to register. Think about it, if in real life the National Rifle Association can successfully object to gun control registration because it's none of Uncle Sam's business which law abiding US citizen owns what gun, if you can be jailed for "outing" a CIA agent, then by what right does the Government have the right to DEMAND that law abiding American citizens or residents( pace Wolverine or Colossus who are not citizens) reveal their identities or face prosecution. And what of security concerns- as i noticed in a previous post, if the Mafia can penetrate the Federal Witness Protection Programme and if the KGB can infiltrate the CIA and FBI, then Dr Doom, Magneto or the Red Skull should find it pretty easy to find out the real names of heroes(this many not matter for the Fantastic Four whose identities are public record-ditto Iron Man and Captain America- but for Spider-Man, Daredevil and the X-Men, the risk to not just themselves or their loved ones is obvious.
Whatever happened to that old Reagan Administration catchphrase: "Get government off the backs of the people!"? (presumably not super heroes)

Get serious, this proposed superhero registration law is a bad idea!


Terry

No, it's not against the law to OWN a gun, but it IS against the law to FIRE a gun in a public place. And you have to be registered to own one, regardless.

If this were happening in the real world, as a tax paying property owning citizen, i for damn sure would want some type of legislation in place to protect me and mine from wanton destruction brought about by a grudge match between, say, Spider-Man and the Green Goblin.

Absolutely.


And sure; the heroes risk retribution on their loved ones if they register, but so do judges, lawyers and policemen. Why should, for example, Spider-Man be above that?

[CaptainStacy]

It was the writer's anti government slant that made me drop Ultimates. The most appalling scene to me was having the US military members shove a little kid to the ground after Iron Man saved him.

So you're saying the U.S. military never engages in questionable behavior? Not even in Viet Nam, or the current "war on terrorism"?

I think Marvel has shown the U.S. military in very positive lights often times in the past. The Ultron story from the Busiek/Perez run on The Avengers, for example. But in EVERY organization, there are good AND bad factors, and i think it's fair that both views are represented on occasion.

[SpideyInATree]

And it is an Americans right to question their government....because as we've seen many times in the past they aren't right about everything or the most honest, straight forward people in history. :o

[Ookami_Wolf1]

All governments from the beginning of time have kept secrets and misled their peoples. What the hell is new???

By the way, try this one on for size Judeo-christianic beliefs were stolen as well! The leaders of religion also lie.

[3dman27]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/millar/millar_2.html


New Civil War pics....
could someone POST them the link doesn't work

[XwolverineX]

could someone POST them the link doesn't work


I would if I knew what ya meant? Ranger did just post it? :confused:

[3dman27]

I would if I knew what ya meant? Ranger did just post it? :confused:
I only got a blank white page when i clicked on the link

[TheCorpulent1]

It works for me.

[3dman27]

maybe my peoblems come from aol

[Ookami_Wolf1]

Do we already have a thread on who is on whose side?

[euroq]

More Civil War solicits..
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #534
Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Pencils & Cover by RON GARNEY
CIVIL WAR Tie-in!
“THE WAR AT HOME”
Life couldn’t be more complicated -- or more dangerous -- for Peter Parker. Spider-Man has picked a side in the Civil War that’s tearing apart the super hero community, and the decision has ripped apart some of his strongest bonds. When one of the War's leaders comes to recruit Spidey for his troops, will Spidey stay true to that decision?
Part of 3 (of 6).

BLACK PANTHER #18
Written by REGINALD HUDLIN
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Wraparound Cover by FRANK CHO
Variant Cover by MICHAEL TURNER
CIVIL WAR Tie-in
“BRIDE OF THE PANTHER”
SPECIAL DOUBLE-SIZED ISSUE! It’s the Wedding of the Century as T’Challa and Storm finally make it to the altar -- and not since Reed and Sue tied the knot have so many of Marvel’s super heroes assembled for such a happy occasion. Can this gathering offer much-needed respite from the Civil War that’s erupted in the U.S., or will it too be engulfed by the insanity that’s currently rocking the Marvel Universe? Don’t miss this historic event -- and turning point in the CIVIL WAR. Featuring backup features, including a look behind the scenes at the creation of Storm’s wedding gown, and wraparound cover by Frank Cho! Part 5 (of 5).

CIVIL WAR #3 (OF 7)
Written by MARK MILLAR
Pencils & Cover by STEVE MCNIVEN
Variant Cover by MICHAEL TURNER
The battle lines are drawn as the conflict between the Super Hero Registration Initiative and the Underground Resistance fighters explodes in a live fire fight as the future of the Marvel Universe is decided! But before the dust settles, a familiar figure will emerge from a strike of lightning to change the odds--and the sides! Witness teams and families torn apart as the Civil War touches all and the momentous events of last issue changes the world as our heroes understand it!

DAILY BUGLE: CIVIL WAR SPECIAL EDITION
Written by PETER DAVID, J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI & VARIOUS
Art & Cover by MIKE MAYHEW
The sides have been chosen and the Civil War has begun! As heroes battle heroes, putting their lives on the line to fight for what they believe in, there’s only one source to keep you informed on the happenings of the biggest Marvel event of the year: the Daily Bugle! This is the very newspaper the citizens of the Marvel Universe read to keep informed! With a very special editorial by J. Jonah Jameson and news, gossip, and opinions from the best writers he hasn’t fired yet, this is the place to go to for Civil War secrets you won’t see anywhere else! That’s right: the Bugle has an exclusive on this story—and art!

CIVIL WAR: FRONT LINE #3 & 4 (OF 10)
Written by PAUL JENKINS
Penciled by RAMON BACHS & STEVE LIEBER
Cover by JOHN WATSON
“Embedded” - Civil War has ignited across the Marvel Universe! Embedded reporters Sally Floyd and Ben Urich are driven into the heart of battle—a battle in which a hero will fall. Their investigations will take Sally into the heart of Captain America’s resistance, while Urich is about to get reacquainted with a certain green friend...
“The Accussed” - Despised by a nation, the lone survivor of the New Warriors’ team is behind bars. Without family, without a friend in the world and without a reason to go one, will this hero make a deal, or take a stand?
“Correspondence” - Juxtaposing stories of war throughout time with the Marvel Civil War, “Correspondence” adapts tales from World War I and more!

CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #1 (of 4)
Written by DAVID HINE
Penciled by YANICK PAQUETTE
Cover by JUAN DOE
“CIVIL WAR” Tie-in!
Enough is enough! The tension between the X-Men, the 198, and the O*N*E has finally reached a breaking point. As the Marvel Universe is ripped apart by the Civil War, the X-Men also find themselves crumbling from the inside out. Will they fold-up and admit defeat, or will the X-Men finally start to fight back? Find out here!

CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS & RUNAWAYS #1 (of 4)
Written by ZEB WELLS
Penciled by STEFANO CASELLI
Cover by JIM CHEUNG
As the public turns against Marvel’s heroes, the gears of Civil War threaten to crush Brian K. Vaughan’s Runaways. But when Allan Heinberg’s Young Avengers offer their assistance, how can the Runaways believe they’re on the same side? Don’t miss this Civil War tie-in that promises to have lasting repercussions for both popular teams!

FANTASTIC FOUR #539
Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Penciled by MIKE MCKONE
Cover by AVI GRANOV
CIVIL WAR Tie-in!
Public protests over the Superhuman Registration Act threaten to tear Yancy Street apart! But those forces who seek to use the demonstrations for their own sinister ends haven’t reckoned with the rage of a fighting mad Thing!

[BrianWilly]

But before the dust settles, a familiar figure will emerge from a strike of lightning to change the odds--and the sides!Wow. Way to NOT BE SUBTLE AT ALL about Thor.

I'll be honest though, most of those solicits sound really interesting to me, especially with some of the covers: http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/July06/solicitations.html

[XwolverineX]

Wow. Way to NOT BE SUBTLE AT ALL about Thor.




Like, it's cool that they're at tryin' ta hook more people with theese solitics, but it would be a MUCH bigger impact without 'em ruinin' all th' suprises. :o

[euroq]

Wow. Way to NOT BE SUBTLE AT ALL about Thor.


Maybe it's Doom. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

****in' CRAP, now I have to buy the Civil War mini-series? Goddamnit. :(

No pun intended. :(

[Zaptoitnow]

Lol, but Issue #3 is the issue in all the big Marvel Crossovers where people come back. Hawkeye in "House of M", Thor in "Civil War", and Ant Man in "Crisis in Marvel Editorial Decisions"

[TheCorpulent1]

Whatever. I'll flip through #3 in the shop and, if Thor appears, I'll either buy the back issues (which my shop will undoubtedly have loads of, since they order about a hundred copies of every big crossover issue) or I'll wait for the trade (which will probably be out approximately 3.2 seconds after the last issue of CW comes out).

It'd be cool if the restructuring of the Avengers involved Thor joining Cap's team and Iron Man recruiting Ares as basically a way to try and even the scales. Even though Thor has kicked Ares' ass in the past.

[Darthphere]

Whatever. I'll flip through #3 in the shop and, if Thor appears, I'll either buy the back issues (which my shop will undoubtedly have loads of, since they order about a hundred copies of every big crossover issue) or I'll wait for the trade (which will probably be out approximately 3.2 seconds after the last issue of CW comes out).

It'd be cool if the restructuring of the Avengers involved Thor joining Cap's team and Iron Man recruiting Ares as basically a way to try and even the scales. Even though Thor has kicked Ares' ass in the past.


Who hasnt?

[iloveclones]

Wow. Way to NOT BE SUBTLE AT ALL about Thor.

I'll be honest though, most of those solicits sound really interesting to me, especially with some of the covers: http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/July06/solicitations.html


The funny thing is that Marvel didn't blow the surprise on that one, you did. I sort of breezed through those solicits and didn't notice that. You guys are just as complicit in ruining surprises as Marvel is. I mean, if you want to be surprised, don't read solicits for upcoming comics :confused:

[Darthphere]

The Wolverine preview looks promising. Nitro could be the key to stopping this conflict.

[Red]

Can someone explain this civil war thing? I don't get why this would cause the heroes to go to war with each other?

[3dman27]

the war starts after a bill is passed into law mandating that all costumed superheroes must reveal their identities to SHIELD and work ONLY FOR SHIELD[its an attempt to blend the 616 and ultimate universes] the forces working for shield are instructed to consider the anti regestration forces as terrorists and thats how the war begins

[BrianWilly]

The funny thing is that Marvel didn't blow the surprise on that one, you did. I sort of breezed through those solicits and didn't notice that. You guys are just as complicit in ruining surprises as Marvel is. I mean, if you want to be surprised, don't read solicits for upcoming comics :confused:Well, by that same exact line of reasoning I could suggest that if we didn't want to be spoiled, we shouldn't be reading message boards 'cause, hey, you just got spoiled on a message board.

The responsibility for maintaining surprises in order to ensure good stories is Marvel's, not mine. If they're not going to take that responsibility, then why should I? If they were at least making an attempt, I'd make an attempt too; several times I've stumbled across dozens of unintentional comic book spoilers that I've kept to myself.

[gildea]

The responsibility for maintaining surprises in order to ensure good stories is Marvel's, not mine. If they're not going to take that responsibility, then why should I? If they were at least making an attempt, I'd make an attempt too; several times I've stumbled across dozens of unintentional comic book spoilers that I've kept to myself.

Because two wrongs don't make a right?

Marvel needs to put that sort of information in solicitations so that retailers will know to order the book more heavily as once word gets out that thor returns people will demand more of the book.

Solicitations are more for a retailer than us.

(of course i do concede the point about marvel spoiling it cos i seem to recall it being mentioned in interviews also....shot myself in the foot here but never mind :) )

[roach]

if you didnt know Thor was coming back then I dont know what to say....this was spoiled by JQ and Marvel months ago when they showed the cover to that FF issue

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't think Mjolnir's return necessarily meant that Thor was going to return as well. Then again, I've been actively trying not to let myself get too optimistic about Thor's return.

Anyway, as little as I like this whole Civil War idea, this is a ****ing awesome Big 3 image:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/July06/comics/CIVWAR003_col.jpg

I can just picture Cap and Iron Man fighting on the battlefield and Thor popping up in a bolt of lightning all, "Od's blood, what madness is this? Verily, I doth turn mine back for but a moment and I return to find thou mortals attempting to rend each other limb from limb with unparalleled vigor!"

[Darthphere]

You know Thor speak a bit too well.....

[XwolverineX]

Whatever. I'll flip through #3 in the shop and, if Thor appears, I'll either buy the back issues (which my shop will undoubtedly have loads of, since they order about a hundred copies of every big crossover issue) or I'll wait for the trade (which will probably be out approximately 3.2 seconds after the last issue of CW comes out).

It'd be cool if the restructuring of the Avengers involved Thor joining Cap's team and Iron Man recruiting Ares as basically a way to try and even the scales. Even though Thor has kicked Ares' ass in the past.



Hey Corp, ya really aren't into CW are ya? Millar's writin' it man, don't be turned off by what happened in Dissasembled an' House of M. That was just 'cause of BB. An' his ever-growin' hype. Damn, that guy buy's into his own hype. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Disassembled and House of M certainly weren't encouraging, but I'm mostly uninterested in CW because 1) the premise sounds like a rehash of several stories where the heroes go at it for some technicality, and 2) Mark Millar's writing it, and I haven't been able to stomach any of his 616 work for more than a few issues. If Thor is returning in it, though, I will buy it. I really am that much of a whore for goldilocks.
You know Thor speak a bit too well.....
Silence, lest I smite thee with great aplomb.

[Darthphere]

Silence, lest I smite thee with great aplomb.


Ok, Donald...

[Darthphere]

Hey Corp, ya really aren't into CW are ya? Millar's writin' it man, don't be turned off by what happened in Dissasembled an' House of M. That was just 'cause of BB. An' his ever-growin' hype. Damn, that guy buy's into his own hype. :o


Mark Millar also writes Ultimates which Corp hates...:o

[TheCorpulent1]

Mark Millar also writes Ultimates which Corp hates...:o
I don't hate Ultimates. I hate the Ultimate reinterpretations of certain characters. I actually enjoyed Ultimates as a whole when I was reading it. I'm even going to tape Ultimate Avengers when it airs on Cartoon Network this Saturday, since it's free (you couldn't pry the money for the DVD out of my cold, dead hands). It got canned with all of the other Ultimate comics when I quit reading the whole line to save some money, though.

I do hate Mark Millar's 616 work, though.

[Darthphere]

I don't hate Ultimates. I hate the Ultimate reinterpretations of certain characters. I actually enjoyed Ultimates as a whole when I was reading it. It got canned with all of the other Ultimate comics when I quit reading the whole line to save some money, though.

I do hate Mark Millar's 616 work, though.


Sooooo in other words you hate Ultimates, gotcha.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why must you twist my words? :(

[Darthphere]

Why must you twist my words? :(


LOL! Anyway, I have high hopes for this book. Hopefully it doesnt turn out like MK Spider-Man.:(

[SteveRogers84]

I am really looking forward to this. It is tough with Cap in the middle though??? What would really be cool is some teams fighting each other. Like F.F. and the Avengers. That would make for some interesting reads.

Regardless I stick true to Cap, whatever side he is on, I will follow.

[GNR]

Marvel podcast with Millar and Brevoort.

http://www.marvel.com/rss/podcasts/Civil_War_Podcast.mp3

[Darthphere]

Marvel podcast with Millar and Brevoort.

http://www.marvel.com/rss/podcasts/Civil_War_Podcast.mp3


Awesome.

[deathshead2]

Just read ironman 7 has the cap vs ironman thing going on. I never wanted to read this but now I might so.

[euroq]

I don't pay much attention to Civil War news since I only care about how it will affect Spider-Man so maybe someone already pointed this out:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Heroes4Hire/H4H.jpg

Notice the poster Humbug is holding.

[Darthphere]

Weve talked about it already.

[rigel7soldiers]

Whose side... Iron Man is public already. Right? i could have sworn...

What side is Shang-Chi on?

[Darthphere]

Whose side... Iron Man is public already. Right? i could have sworn...

What side is Shang-Chi on?


Im guessing Pro, since H4H seems like a hunting group to me at least.

[rigel7soldiers]

But was shang-Chi ever secret?

Cap is public, so why would he oppose?

Bendis says Black Bolt opposes the bill. Why? Does the general populace really know about Inhumans? Besides, his identity isn't secret either.

What's Nitro been doing for the at least ten some-odd years since he last appeared, anyway? Is nobody more current, like, say, Powderkeg?

[Darthphere]

But was shang-Chi ever secret?

Cap is public, so why would he oppose?

Bendis says Black Bolt opposes the bill. Why? Does the general populace really know about Inhumans? Besides, his identity isn't secret either.

What's Nitro been doing for the at least ten some-odd years since he last appeared, anyway? Is nobody more current, like, say, Powderkeg?


Cap is opposed simply put because it goes against the basic freedoms and principles he believes in.

EDIT:Im guessing Blackbolt would be opposed because he wants the Inhumans to be pretty much left alone. Just like Namor wants Atlantis left alone.

[rigel7soldiers]

I just think it's stupid for people with already public identities to argue about this sort of thing. Nobody in the illuminati has a secret Identty, and yet they've chosen sides; By having a public ID, they forfeit the right to complain about it. You've become part of the loop at that point. personally, I'd be for it. Everybody's identity will be found out eventually anyway; you can't keep something like that secret forever.

[Darthphere]

I just think it's stupid for people with already public identities to argue about this sort of thing. Nobody in the illuminati has a secret Identty, and yet they've chosen sides; By having a public ID, they forfeit the right to complain about it. You've become part of the loop at that point.


Not really. Its a personal decision to reveal your secret identity. The ones opposed to it believe that no one should be forced to register and pretty much be slaves of the government. Your logic dictates that war veterans shouldnt speak out against senseless wars.

[rigel7soldiers]

I guess. But that's just how I see it.

[Darthphere]

Yeah I see that, Its not really the identity but its more about principles.

[3dman27]

Not really. Its a personal decision to reveal your secret identity. The ones opposed to it believe that no one should be forced to register and pretty much be slaves of the government. .thats how come i don't care much for the ultimate u. the "superheroes can ONLY work for shield seemes too much like legalized slavery to me
speaking of shield did bendis forget that in tthe mu shield is an international agency unlike the ultimate version which is an american agency?

[Zaptoitnow]

Just because some hero is in the situation that their identity either is not, or does not need to be a secret (the Fantastic Four) doesn't mean that they can't appreciate that others feel the need or have very good reasons to keep their IDs secret (Spider-man).

[Darthphere]

As ive said, im looking forward to the conflict between Sue and Reed.

[XwolverineX]

So, do we know which Side Iron Fist is on?

[GNR]

Nope,as long as he's in it,I'm happy.

I can't believe it's only 2 weeks away now.Crazy.

[Vanguard07]

I'm on whatever side Spidey's on (even if he switches sides). Also I'll be happy if Iron fist is in it as well. Iron fist rules.

And finally I hope Black Bolt yells at the white house.

[XwolverineX]

Iron Fist does indeed rule. :):up:

[rigel7soldiers]

As ive said, im looking forward to the conflict between Sue and Reed.

I honestly think any conflict would be absolutely minimal. Reed can be very flexible.

[Harlekin]

I honestly think any conflict would be absolutely minimal. Reed can be very flexible.
And also very very stubborn.

[Darthphere]

I honestly think any conflict would be absolutely minimal. Reed can be very flexible.


Ha-ha, joke.:up:

[SpideyInATree]

The funny thing is that Marvel didn't blow the surprise on that one, you did. I sort of breezed through those solicits and didn't notice that. You guys are just as complicit in ruining surprises as Marvel is. I mean, if you want to be surprised, don't read solicits for upcoming comics :confused:

Agreed. Solicitations have given hints toward how the story will go for years now. I used to get Previews back in the early to mid 90's and I stopped getting it because I was getting spoiled instead of surprised.

I've been on this message board for about 4 years now and I rarely get things spoiled for me. All you have to do is not read certain threads and stay away from the threads that say "Spoiler" in them. And most people on here usually use spoiler tags pretty well. Though every now and again you get some people where it slips their minds and they accidentally spoil it. But you'll get that from time to time....like this situation.

[roach]

How did he spoil that Thor was coming back when it was pretty much in every JQ interview that he was??????
Did you not catch the FF cover????
Or the Wizard article where they said he was coming back?????

[SpideyInATree]

No, I didn't. I have no interest in Thor or spoiling things for myself. I didn't see the cover for Fantastic Four until yesterday at the Comic Book Convention here in Pittsburgh.

Some of us still like that feeling when we were little kids and you had NO IDEA what was going to happen. It was actually...SURPRISING! :eek:

I have spoiled things for myself on purpose before because I've been so excited...but about 90 percent of the time I stay away from any material that is going to spoil upcoming stories for me.

Can I understand that some people want to see if something is any good and worth getting? Of course. I can see why people want to do that. I do that myself with new material that I'm getting into. But when it comes to books I already get and enjoy....I hate spoiling those stories. :o

[The_Mystery]

Those spoiler boxes are the biggest temptation dammit :) My curiousity always gets the best of me.

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I didn't. I have no interest in Thor or spoiling things for myself. I didn't see the cover for Fantastic Four until yesterday at the Comic Book Convention here in Pittsburgh.
I don't get it... if you have no interest in Thor, why does his return being spoiled bother you? :confused:

[XwolverineX]

I don't get it... if you have no interest in Thor, why does his return being spoiled bother you? :confused:


I think he meant he has no interest in being spoiled about Thor? :confused:

[roach]

But the issue with his hammer being found by the FF was already out????

[Superman \S/]

How did he spoil that Thor was coming back when it was pretty much in every JQ interview that he was??????
Did you not catch the FF cover????
Or the Wizard article where they said he was coming back?????

I'd be so happy with Thor's return.

[Vartha]

I kinda think that they treat Thor in a Bad way. I realise Thor needs an upgrade so to speak, but, DO NOT TURN HIM INTO A TEEN.
I'm also curious how they plan on incorprating Beta Ray Bill and the Korbites, later.

[GNR]

THe solicits for #3 of Civil War pretty much give away Thor's return.

[TheCorpulent1]

I kinda think that they treat Thor in a Bad way. I realise Thor needs an upgrade so to speak, but, DO NOT TURN HIM INTO A TEEN.
I'm also curious how they plan on incorprating Beta Ray Bill and the Korbites, later.
I think they scrapped the teen idea. Or, if it's still in play, it hasn't been alluded to again. All we know is that Thor will reappear in Civil War and that his hammer has already reappeared in Fantastic Four.

As for Bill, I hope he gets to appear in some capacity. The Korbinites, however, are all dead.

[Vartha]

I think they scrapped the teen idea. Or, if it's still in play, it hasn't been alluded to again. All we know is that Thor will reappear in Civil War and that his hammer has already reappeared in Fantastic Four.

As for Bill, I hope he gets to appear in some capacity. The Korbinites, however, are all dead.
Actually Corp there are still some of the Korbinites alive in that sphere, and BRB was heading to Thor for some land for his people on Asgard, and whoever revived BRB was also holding the sphere. For all we know that could have been Thor.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, he did salvage a few of them, didn't he? I must've forgotten under the suckage of Bill getting turned into a dirty, stinking human bum. :(

[Vartha]

Well I don't think BRB needed the change but if they plan on adding BRB to the Asgardians I think think it would be a good idea, storywise.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd actually prefer it if Thor and Bill were the only survivors, at least for a while.

[Vartha]

Well with BRB on Earth, why would they leave Thor on Earth. They can do all sorts of stuff rebuilding Asgard with the Korbinites, and you're right that wouldn't be for awhile, at least a year before Thor gets his own book back again.

[ragingdemon155]

No, I didn't. I have no interest in Thor or spoiling things for myself. I didn't see the cover for Fantastic Four until yesterday at the Comic Book Convention here in Pittsburgh.

Some of us still like that feeling when we were little kids and you had NO IDEA what was going to happen. It was actually...SURPRISING! :eek:

I have spoiled things for myself on purpose before because I've been so excited...but about 90 percent of the time I stay away from any material that is going to spoil upcoming stories for me.

Can I understand that some people want to see if something is any good and worth getting? Of course. I can see why people want to do that. I do that myself with new material that I'm getting into. But when it comes to books I already get and enjoy....I hate spoiling those stories. :o

heh took the words right out of my mouth. That's exactly how I feel. I hate spoilers and usually try to stay way from them. It's hard though cause spoilers are so damn tempting. I really think that's one of the downfalls that the internet has enabled for comics. Just the fact that spoilers are floating all over the place. Sometimes my curiousity gets the best of me and I find myself huffing and puffing over some spoiler that I didn't like but more times then not....I can resist the temptation.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well with BRB on Earth, why would they leave Thor on Earth. They can do all sorts of stuff rebuilding Asgard with the Korbinites, and you're right that wouldn't be for awhile, at least a year before Thor gets his own book back again.
I'm sure there are places on Earth that could use someone with the power of a thunder god looking after them. If there's room enough on Earth for Hercules, Namor, the Hulk, and the hundred other super-high-power characters, there's room enough for Thor and Bill.

[PWN3R]

The first issue of Civil War is 48 pages correct?

I've seen it listed as 48 and 32.

[The_Mystery]

My biggest problem with Civil War is that every writer keeps giving away story points. Take a lesson from Didio and DC and keep your traps shut. I'd rather hear than talk about how great it's gonna be than for them to keep giving away pieces of the story. I feel like I know everything that's gonna happen except how it ends. I didn't really know anything about Infinite Crisis so I was surprised every issue.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I do seem to know a lot about Civil War even though I don't plan on reading it and I haven't been keeping up with its news or anything. But the Marvel people are giving away stuff in those news bits and I keep hearing them through people here on the Hype.

[The_Mystery]

Exactly, I want to read the story, not hear the writer TELL me about it.

[Darthphere]

My biggest problem with Civil War is that every writer keeps giving away story points. Take a lesson from Didio and DC and keep your traps shut. I'd rather hear than talk about how great it's gonna be than for them to keep giving away pieces of the story. I feel like I know everything that's gonna happen except how it ends. I didn't really know anything about Infinite Crisis so I was surprised every issue.


It makes business sense to me. You drop hints and storylines it gets people excited. And its a proven method, people will buy something the more you tell them about it. People tend to shy away from titles you tell them little to nothing about. I.e. Runaways, Thing, She-Hulk etc... Infinite Crisis was a huge event and was touted as that, people wouldve gotten it regardless. Civil War however, needs to be sold to readers as the concept is a little unorthodox. It all comes down to the way they run both companies. Marvel runs its comics like a business, DC tends to rely more on the story and tradition.

[TheCorpulent1]

Some of the spoilers I've seen go beyond just hints. All the "wanted" posters with Cap in upcoming solicitations, for example. DC blacked out a lot of stuff pretty nicely on solicitations to prevent those kinds of spoilers. I thought Ravager was Kid Flash on the Teen Titans OYL cover right up until I bought it, for example.

[Darthphere]

Some of the spoilers I've seen go beyond just hints. All the "wanted" posters with Cap in upcoming solicitations, for example. DC blacked out a lot of stuff pretty nicely on solicitations to prevent those kinds of spoilers. I thought Ravager was Kid Flash on the Teen Titans OYL cover right up until I bought it, for example.


Yeah that was dumb, but it wasnt unexpected after the Wizard questionaire thing, which by the way DC has done as well. Its pretty obvious that Cap was going to be the one arrested. But see, now people will buy it because they want to know why hes a Wanted man....see.......Marvel knows what its doing.....


And the blacked out OYL teams were revaled at least a week before the book was released so it wasnt a surprise.

[The_Mystery]

It makes business sense to me. You drop hints and storylines it gets people excited. And its a proven method, people will buy something the more you tell them about it. People tend to shy away from titles you tell them little to nothing about. I.e. Runaways, Thing, She-Hulk etc... Infinite Crisis was a huge event and was touted as that, people wouldve gotten it regardless. Civil War however, needs to be sold to readers as the concept is a little unorthodox. It all comes down to the way they run both companies. Marvel runs its comics like a business, DC tends to rely more on the story and tradition.

Yes, drop hints. There is a way to tease people with hints that get them excited without giving away the entire 1st issue (which Marvel has pretty much already done).

[Darthphere]

Yes, drop hints. There is a way to tease people with hints that get them excited without giving away the entire 1st issue (which Marvel has pretty much already done).


People will buy the book either way, and the whole first issue has not been revealed so youre hyperbolizing. All we pretty know much who is leading both sides and what happens to the new Warriors.

[roach]

Yeah but when you say something like..."Alot of people online think there is a major villain behind the scenes pulling the strings and there isnt."

That right there spoiled CW for me

[Darthphere]

Yeah but when you say something like..."Alot of people online think there is a major villain behind the scenes pulling the strings and there isnt."

That right there spoiled CW for me



Why? You rather they lie and say yeah a villain might be behind it, but when a villain doesnt show up you can start a 50 page thread *****ing out Marvel?

[roach]

Why? You rather they lie and say yeah a villain might be behind it, but when a villain doesnt show up you can start a 50 page thread *****ing out Marvel?

I'd rather they not say anything and let the story sell itself

Imagine if the director of The Usual Suspects gave away plot points before the movie came out

[Darthphere]

I'd rather they not say anything and let the story sell itself


Wont happen. One of the big selling points for IC was the rumor of someone from the COIE being involved. That was a big selling point in the book and people were blow away by the final page. All Marvel is doing is giving out some information and hoping you come along for the ride. For example, its obvious that Thor is coming back, but its not the fact that hes coming back, I wanna see how he comes back and what role he plays. Seriously, im not a MArvel zombie and you guys know this but you guys constantly do this lets ***** at Marvel routine for trying to sell books.

[Darthphere]

I'd rather they not say anything and let the story sell itself

Imagine if the director of The Usual Suspects gave away plot points before the movie came out


I dont see the problem at all with him doing that. He wouldnt be dumb enough to reveal the twist.

[roach]

Wont happen. One of the big selling points for IC was the rumor of someone from the COIE being involved. That was a big selling point in the book and people were blow away by the final page. All Marvel is doing is giving out some information and hoping you come along for the ride. For example, its obvious that Thor is coming back, but its not the fact that hes coming back, I wanna see how he comes back and what role he plays. Seriously, im not a MArvel zombie and you guys know this but you guys constantly do this lets ***** at Marvel routine for trying to sell books.

Was it a rumor or was it almost unspoken since we all knew it was......
A)The anniversary of COIE
B)The names were similar

If I was selling Civil War I would just let people know that there was a big event coming and that is it. DC was able to black out covers and unsolicit books so that when people found out it was a major part of the crossover(I am thinking about that WW issue with the major plot point in it) they had passed it by.

[Darthphere]

Was it a rumor or was it almost unspoken since we all knew it was......
A)The anniversary of COIE
B)The names were similar

If I was selling Civil War I would just let people know that there was a big event coming and that is it. DC was able to black out covers and unsolicit books so that when people found out it was a major part of the crossover(I am thinking about that WW issue with the major plot point in it) they had passed it by.


You cant do that, especially when you charge $3.99 for a 48 page comic book. People want to know exactly what theyre buying and if its going to be worth it. DC does the same thing but seems to get a pass on it. I dont think I have to tell you guys about all the late books and goings on during Infinite Crisis. Teen Titans #33 probably ruin what happened in the Annual for some, the leaked Batman pic where its revealed Superboy died. Blue Beetle # 1 coming out before IC #6 and revealing Batman and group pretty much destroyed Brother Eye. You guys are a vocal minority...I mean us guys are a vocal minority because you know what, I agree with you but comics are getting way too expensive for people just to buy a book because Marvel tells them is a big event.

[Darthphere]

Was it a rumor or was it almost unspoken since we all knew it was......
A)The anniversary of COIE
B)The names were similar

If I was selling Civil War I would just let people know that there was a big event coming and that is it. DC was able to black out covers and unsolicit books so that when people found out it was a major part of the crossover(I am thinking about that WW issue with the major plot point in it) they had passed it by.


You cant do that, especially when you charge $3.99 for a 48 page comic book. People want to know exactly what theyre buying and if its going to be worth it. DC does the same thing but seems to get a pass on it. I dont think I have to tell you guys about all the late books and goings on during Infinite Crisis. Teen Titans #33 probably ruin what happened in the Annual for some, the leaked Batman pic where its revealed Superboy died. Blue Beetle # 1 coming out before IC #6 and revealing Batman and group pretty much destroyed Brother Eye. You guys are a vocal minority...I mean us guys are a vocal minority because you know what, I agree with you but comics are getting way too expensive for people just to buy a book because Marvel tells them is a big event.


And again. The blacked out covers were revealed before the release of the books.

[roach]

You cant do that, especially when you charge $3.99 for a 48 page comic book. People want to know exactly what theyre buying and if its going to be worth it. DC does the same thing but seems to get a pass on it. I dont think I have to tell you guys about all the late books and goings on during Infinite Crisis. Teen Titans #33 probably ruin what happened in the Annual for some, the leaked Batman pic where its revealed Superboy died. Blue Beetle # 1 coming out before IC #6 and revealing Batman and group pretty much destroyed Brother Eye. You guys are a vocal minority...I mean us guys are a vocal minority because you know what, I agree with you but comics are getting way too expensive for people just to buy a book because Marvel tells them is a big event.


I dont give DC a pass but this aint the place to complain about their misteps.
DC's shipping schedule has me worried about 52.
I honestly dont remember the last time a Marvel comic surprised me(maybe Thunderbolts #1)

[The_Mystery]

Tell me what the story behind a event entails is one thing. Outright revealing key plot points seems a little weird. I'm not bashing Marvel, trust me most of the books I collect are Marvel comics, but I wish they wouldn't have given away all the goodies. I know more about Civil War before it's begun than I knew about IC before it began.

[Darthphere]

I dont give DC a pass but this aint the place to complain about their misteps.
DC's shipping schedule has me worried about 52.
I honestly dont remember the last time a Marvel comic surprised me(maybe Thunderbolts #1)


Youre right, its not the place, im just saying theres a certain bias going around amongst comic book fans. Let me ask you a question. In Captain America, it was heavily implied Bucky was coming back, really no surprise. But I think surprises are cheap because id rather enjoyed the explanation and story behind it all and how well done it was compared to lets say a jason todd. Werent you surprised by how well it was done? Surprises are like cheap gimmicks to me. Thats not saying I dont like being surprised but maybe its a different thing to me than it is to you. Like Heinberg's Young Avengers being so damn good, or Victor from Runaway's being Ultron's kid.

[Darthphere]

Tell me what the story behind a event entails is one thing. Outright revealing key plot points seems a little weird. I'm not bashing Marvel, trust me most of the books I collect are Marvel comics, but I wish they wouldn't have given away all the goodies. I know more about Civil War before it's begun than I knew about IC before it began.


Maybe, but as ive said, I think it just furthers your intrigue. Like arent you interested in both sides motivations, reasoning and logic? How this will affect Reed and Sue's marriage? What lenghts the governement is willing to go? Captain America possibly being arrested? How the hell will they bring back Thor?

[The_Mystery]

Maybe, but as ive said, I think it just furthers your intrigue. Like arent you interested in both sides motivations, reasoning and logic? How this will affect Reed and Sue's marriage? What lenghts the governement is willing to go? Captain America possibly being arrested? How the hell will they bring back Thor?

I can agree with you on some points, but I'm just a stickler for being surprised while I'm reading a story.

[Darthphere]

I can agree with you on some points, but I'm just a stickler for being surprised while I'm reading a story.


I understand.

[yenaled]

I think you are mixing up fan spoilers and the company actually giving away spoilers themselves. No-one knew that on the last page of IC those four would be there. People had thought about it... but no-one really expected it. DC's solitification information didn't say "and the return of an old forgotton but familiar hero from the first crisis..." it didn't actually mention it. I've read everything DC has officially put out and I've still be shocked by the book, and I've been avoiding spoilers from fans, which is very easy to do.

Marvel however, are telling you spoilers from their preview information, granted there could be a lot install which we don't know about. But where as with IC it felt like we don't know where we are going (some people are still claiming that we'll have the return of the multiverse) and where as we say have no idea where the Flash title is going... we know Captain America will be arrested. With Civil War, at the moment, it all seems rather familiar.

Though I'm still hoping it will provide shockers.

[Darthphere]

Thats fine, Id rebute, but im tired.

[The_Mystery]

Thats fine, Id rebute, but im tired.

No problem with me. :)

[Darthphere]

No problem with me. :)


Bastard, you know im right.....powers...draining.

[hippie_hunter]

Youre right, its not the place, im just saying theres a certain bias going around amongst comic book fans. Let me ask you a question. In Captain America, it was heavily implied Bucky was coming back, really no surprise. But I think surprises are cheap because id rather enjoyed the explanation and story behind it all and how well done it was compared to lets say a jason todd. Werent you surprised by how well it was done? Surprises are like cheap gimmicks to me. Thats not saying I dont like being surprised but maybe its a different thing to me than it is to you. Like Heinberg's Young Avengers being so damn good, or Victor from Runaway's being Ultron's kid.

Sometimes surprises are awesome, like in Infinite Crisis with the appearance of Earth-2 Superman, or the death of Superboy, or Superboy-Prime going completely psycho, the return of Barry Allen, the loss of the Speed Force, Crispus Allen becomming the Spectre, etc. Infinite Crisis let us in some details but was full of surprises also.

[Darthphere]

Sometimes surprises are awesome, like in Infinite Crisis with the appearance of Earth-2 Superman, or the death of Superboy, or Superboy-Prime going completely psycho, the return of Barry Allen, the loss of the Speed Force, Crispus Allen becomming the Spectre, etc. Infinite Crisis let us in some details but was full of surprises also.


You mustve not been on the internet when the superboy dying thing was inadvertenly leaked.:(

[hippie_hunter]

You mustve not been on the internet when the superboy dying thing was inadvertenly leaked.:(

Oh yeah, I forgot about that leak, now I'm pissed :mad:

[roach]

Maybe, but as ive said, I think it just furthers your intrigue. Like arent you interested in both sides motivations, reasoning and logic? How this will affect Reed and Sue's marriage? What lenghts the governement is willing to go? Captain America possibly being arrested? How the hell will they bring back Thor?


i would be if in the Marvel Universethat was created back in the 60's there would no way they heroes would be fighting each other over something like this. There would be no way that an X-men who has spent most of his life fighting mutant registration would agree to Superhero registration. There would be no way that Marvel would rip a plot point from the Incredibles and try to make it work

[Darthphere]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that leak, now I'm pissed :mad:


LMAO!

[roach]

You mustve not been on the internet when the superboy dying thing was inadvertenly leaked.:(


while it was leaked and I did see it before the I read the issue it still read better than Hawkeye's death

[Darthphere]

while it was leaked and I did see it before the I read the issue it still read better than Hawkeye's death


I dont think anybody will deny that.

[gildea]

Sometimes surprises are awesome, like in Infinite Crisis with the appearance of Earth-2 Superman, or the death of Superboy, or Superboy-Prime going completely psycho, the return of Barry Allen, the loss of the Speed Force, Crispus Allen becomming the Spectre, etc. Infinite Crisis let us in some details but was full of surprises also.


Not trying to be funny but how do you know all the civil war surprises have been leaked?

[The_Mystery]

i would be if in the Marvel Universethat was created back in the 60's there would no way they heroes would be fighting each other over something like this. There would be no way that an X-men who has spent most of his life fighting mutant registration would agree to Superhero registration. There would be no way that Marvel would rip a plot point from the Incredibles and try to make it work


I'm pretty sure the Incredibles picked up the idea from comics though.

[roach]

I'm pretty sure the Incredibles picked up the idea from comics though.


which one???

[PWN3R]

I dont think anybody will deny that.

lol! :(

[roach]

Not trying to be funny but how do you know all the civil war surprises have been leaked?

and how do you know they havent.......trying to be funny:)

[gildea]

and how do you know they havent.......trying to be funny:)


well you gave me a giggle :)

[Caliber]

which one???

True they took the idea of the superhero family, that seems familar.

[roach]

well you gave me a giggle :)


it's all part of my International Goodwill Agenda

[roach]

True they took the idea of the superhero family, that seems familar.


True but I was talking abou the major plot point of the movie.

[The_Mystery]

which one???

I'm not sure but I think there was a Fantastic Four story involving Super hero registration a while back. I'm sorry I don't know issue numbers. Besides, Incredibles who basis was a rip on a Marvel comic so I guess turnabout's fair play.

[Darthphere]

which one???


*cough*Watchmen*cough*

[roach]

*cough*Watchmen*cough*


you could be right but it has been a while since I've read watchman(i forgot)

[roach]

I'm not sure but I think there was a Fantastic Four story involving Super hero registration a while back. I'm sorry I don't know issue numbers. Besides, Incredibles who basis was a rip on a Marvel comic so I guess turnabout's fair play.


Marvel isnt the only ones with the Family superhero dynamic

[Darthphere]

Marvel isnt the only ones with the Family superhero dynamic


Arguably, they perfected it.

[Caliber]

Marvel isnt the only ones with the Family superhero dynamic

They are still the most known.

[hippie_hunter]

Not trying to be funny but how do you know all the civil war surprises have been leaked?

I don't I was responding to darthphere's comment that he doesn't like surprises. I used Infinite Crisis because that story was full of surprises.

[Darthphere]

I don't I was responding to darthphere's comment that he doesn't like surprises. I used Infinite Crisis because that story was full of surprises.


I didnt say I didnt like surprises. Im just saying most of the time its a cheap gimmick.

[Harlekin]

*cough*Watchmen*cough*
I doubt Watchmen was the originator of the whole registration thing. The JSA had to register too, and I think that was introduced before Watchmen came out.

[Darthphere]

I doubt Watchmen was the originator of the whole registration thing. The JSA had to register too, and I think that was introduced before Watchmen came out.


It was an example Harlekin, now get off my goddamn back!:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Binker]

What (storylines, arcs, etc) led to Civil War?

[Ookami_Wolf1]

Avengers Disassembled is one that comes to mind. All the damage done in the Marvel Universe since 1961 (including the stuff fixed up by Damage Control as well) is responsible for this coming to pass. I thought that Tony Stark and Matt Murdock had in the past gotten a huge policy with regards to this damage. Well, maybe I am wrong. It happens.

[Binker]

Marvel released a trailer that is prequel of what led to Civil War:

http://www.marvel.com/video/Civil_War_Opening_Shot_WV.mov

I woudl guess what stories they show is what has led to Civil War?

[roach]

they could have picked a better narrator

[Darthphere]

They needed Morgan Freeman on this.

[GNR]

James Earl Jones would be icing on the cake.

[PWN3R]

They needed Morgan Freeman on this.


HECK YES!


http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3820/b198829626zq.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

That was better than their other trailer, at least. I actually liked this one. It gave a good summary of the events leading up to Civil War but remained unapologetically cryptic, just like all good movie trailers.

[XwolverineX]

HECK YES!


http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3820/b198829626zq.jpg


:confused::rolleyes:

[Harlekin]

It was an example Harlekin, now get off my goddamn back!:mad: :mad: :mad:
Ah, don't cry.

[SpideyInATree]

I don't get it... if you have no interest in Thor, why does his return being spoiled bother you? :confused:

It doesn't. But there are a million other things on these message boards that get spoiled everyday. Thor isn't the only big thing going on with Civil War.

[TheCorpulent1]

Really? Wait, so you're saying Marvel does other stuff besides Thor now? ;)

[SpideyInATree]

Heh. :p

[GNR]

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68937

First reviews of CW #1.

[Sabretooth]

I'm on nobody's side for Civil War because I couldn't be more lost. All I know about this ''huge event'' is that it's a rip off of IC. And that out of no where this secret group The Illumnati shows up and we're supposed to care they're splitting up. :(

[GNR]

I'm on nobody's side for Civil War because I couldn't be more lost. All I know about this ''huge event'' is that it's a rip off of IC. And that out of no where this secret group The Illumnati shows up and we're supposed to care they're splitting up. :(

With all due respect,SHUT UP.

[Darthphere]

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68937

First reviews of CW #1.


This made me very happy.

[Binker]

What cover are you guys getting?

I want to get the one I believe Turner is the one doing. Because its a movie poster to the event. Very much like Perez' IC #1.

[GNR]

What cover are you guys getting?

I want to get the one I believe Turner is the one doing. Because its a movie poster to the event. Very much like Perez' IC #1.

I'm sticking with the McNiven covers.I love his art and his covers convey a more serious mood to them.

[Darthphere]

McNiven's, Turners cover is atrocious.

[hippie_hunter]

McNiven's, Turners cover is atrocious.

McNiven's art is far better, but Turner's cover designs just look better.

[Darthphere]

McNiven's art is far better, but Turner's cover designs just look better.


Design yes, but execution is as I said atrocious.

[hippie_hunter]

HECK YES!


http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3820/b198829626zq.jpg

It would make more sense if the credits didn't have the credits of War of the Worlds on it.

[The_Mystery]

Is it me or does anyone else see all three of Marvel's "big events" dovetailing into each other. Think about this: What if at the end of Planet Hulk, the Hulk ends up actually conquering the planet he's on and comes back to earth with an alien armada behind him. Meanwhile, the heroes of earth are either government minions or underground "resistance" fighters at the end of Civil War and are then suddenly attack my, for lack of a better description, the returning Maestro-like Hulk and his armada. There is a war on earth between the Hulk and his forces and the heroes banding together once again and in comes all the newly revamped cosmic heroes from Annihilation to save the day.

Just brainstorming...

[Darthphere]

Is it me or does anyone else see all three of Marvel's "big events" dovetailing into each other. Think about this: What if at the end of Planet Hulk, the Hulk ends up actually conquering the planet he's on and comes back to earth with an alien armada behind him. Meanwhile, the heroes of earth are either government minions or underground "resistance" fighters at the end of Civil War and are then suddenly attack my, for lack of a better description, the returning Maestro-like Hulk and his armada. There is a war on earth between the Hulk and his forces and the heroes banding together once again and in comes all the newly revamped cosmic heroes from Annihilation to save the day.

Just brainstorming...


I think that would be really cool and make loads of sense, meaning it wont happen.

[GNR]

Is it me or does anyone else see all three of Marvel's "big events" dovetailing into each other. Think about this: What if at the end of Planet Hulk, the Hulk ends up actually conquering the planet he's on and comes back to earth with an alien armada behind him. Meanwhile, the heroes of earth are either government minions or underground "resistance" fighters at the end of Civil War and are then suddenly attack my, for lack of a better description, the returning Maestro-like Hulk and his armada. There is a war on earth between the Hulk and his forces and the heroes banding together once again and in comes all the newly revamped cosmic heroes from Annihilation to save the day.

Just brainstorming...

I hope they don't come together again against the Hulk.That would be pretty predictable.

[Darthphere]

It be cool if DoC Strange or Someone else showed up in the battles and showed everyone why the Hulk was angry, people would choose sides again and it be 3 different factions.

[The_Mystery]

Well, y'know, for my idea to work, it would have to end with the destruction of Earth or the death of Hulk, so I guess it's not that great of an idea. :)

[Darthphere]

Well, y'know, for my idea to work, it would have to end with the destruction of Earth or the death of Hulk, so I guess it's not that great of an idea. :)


Have Superboy punch a wall and make a new Earth.

[The_Mystery]

Have Superboy punch a wall and make a new Earth.


But then Marvel fans would have to deal with 7 issues of whining and temper tantrums first.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, y'know, for my idea to work, it would have to end with the destruction of Earth or the death of Hulk, so I guess it's not that great of an idea. :)
Not really. Dr. Strange could take care of the Hulk with a wave of his hand. Of course, that also negates the need for the factions to come together in the first place. ;)

[GNR]

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/lifeNews/view.bg?articleid=137214
http://www.metronews.ca/books_review.asp?id=15771
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/story/412030p-347554c.html
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060423/ENT/604230306/1031
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/living/14368363.htm
http://www.startribune.com/384/story/369309.html

CW is really getting alot of exposure.

[The Geek Vault]

thats a good thing... right? Anyway I just had a thought why should the Inhumans or Namor or black panther be conserned they're not in the USA so even if the law does pass they don't have to obey it. Dr. Strange also doesn't exist to many people right, I mean can't he just make people forget him.

[The_Mystery]

Any "outside" media exposure is a good thing for the comic industry.

[Xofenroht]

Well, Namor and the Inhumans should be concerned because if the government has that many superheroes at their disposal, I'm pretty sure one of those powers will be inclined to inform them of Atlantis or Attilan and then have a whole super powered army coming to conquer them and utilize their technology.

[iloveclones]

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/lifeNews/view.bg?articleid=137214
http://www.metronews.ca/books_review.asp?id=15771
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/story/412030p-347554c.html
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060423/ENT/604230306/1031
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/living/14368363.htm
http://www.startribune.com/384/story/369309.html

CW is really getting alot of exposure.

Thought I'd put the local paper in here:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06106/682004-42.stm

[PWN3R]

It would make more sense if the credits didn't have the credits of War of the Worlds on it.

:) :up: :up:

First person that finally noticed that. I swear I have showed alot of people that pic, and no one notices that. :eek:

And CW is almost here.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Namor and the Inhumans should be concerned because if the government has that many superheroes at their disposal, I'm pretty sure one of those powers will be inclined to inform them of Atlantis or Attilan and then have a whole super powered army coming to conquer them and utilize their technology.
I was under the impression that the legislature was about the heroes' disclosing their identities to the government, not that they'd become government assets, able to be deployed at the government's will. Somehow I don't see any superheroes going along with that. :confused:

[GNR]

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/lifeNews/view.bg?articleid=137214
http://www.metronews.ca/books_review.asp?id=15771
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/story/412030p-347554c.html
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060423/ENT/604230306/1031
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/living/14368363.htm
http://www.startribune.com/384/story/369309.html

CW is really getting alot of exposure.

Some of those links require snooping around a bit.:confused:

[BrianWilly]

I was under the impression that the legislature was about the heroes' disclosing their identities to the government, not that they'd become government assets, able to be deployed at the government's will. Somehow I don't see any superheroes going along with that. :confused:The way I understand it, the act states that if superheroes want to continue being superheroes then they will have to be government-employed. They don't have to do this -- it's not like indentured servitude or anything -- but if they don't then they can't do any more superheroing, ie vigilante stuff, or they'll be hunted down and arrested.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought they would be affiliated with the government but the government couldn't order them around. Now that I think about it, that does seem rather utopic and naive given the government's love of controlling everything, though.

[Darthphere]

If they need them the government will call on them. Like a draft.

[Xofenroht]

Can I change sides? I'm with Thor during the War. Anyone else think he'll offer sanctuary or that Mjolnir (like mentioned before) will be a critical weapon during the battle IF someone on either side can lift it?

[ShadowBoxing]

I want the Superheroes to...ya know...fight a villian at some point, rather than just talk to it.

[Darthphere]

I want the Superheroes to...ya know...fight a villian at some point, rather than just talk to it.


THIS IS TRUE LUNACY! Im guessing we'll see a lot more villain fights than you think.

[TheCorpulent1]

Can I change sides? I'm with Thor during the War. Anyone else think he'll offer sanctuary or that Mjolnir (like mentioned before) will be a critical weapon during the battle IF someone on either side can lift it?
It seems like Thor will create a turning point in the story, if the solicitations are any indication.

[PWN3R]

Yeah, the solicitations for issue #3 basically spell it out...

[3dman27]

I want the Superheroes to...ya know...fight a villian at some point, rather than just talk to it.
me too

[Xofenroht]

Yeah, the solicitations for issue #3 basically spell it out...

True, but assuming makes me something entirely undesirable to be.

[TheCorpulent1]

But at least it makes the other person the same undesirable thing. :)

[lceman]

OK...Just read CW1. Good read but mostly just set up. As you would expect from a first issue. Looking forward to what Marvel has planned for this.

Also, does anyone else think that Marvel (even for them) is getting out of control with the limited edition variants. I am a huge Michael Turner fan (I know some people hate him) but it would cost me $4 for the regular issue, $20 for the color Turner variant and the $75 for the sketch Turner variant. Thats $99. Now it normally doesn't bother me with the higher priced variants because i don't think that they really hurt the industry. If you have the $$ then you can buy then Or if you are a completist (that's me). Its just when they were all about $20 it was not too unconntrollable but not they are ranging from $50-$75. Just sucks if you are a fan of the artist making the higher priced cover.

[ragingdemon155]

Yea just finsihed reading it. Marvel really seems to be on to something with this. Pretty interesting read and the art was gorgeous.

Damn, looking at that Iron Spidey costume makes my eyes bleed everytime. Other then that though, it was a great setup. Can't wait to see where this goes from here.

[GNR]

Just read it.Even for a setup issue,so much happens here.

!!SPOILER ALERT!!


























-The Stamford incident.
-Clean up effort.
-Heroes meeting at the Baxter building where we get to hear some of their views.
-Cap makes one hell of a badass stand at the SHIELD Helicarrier.Agent Hill's dialogue was very impressive,very clear points.
-Johnny Storm gets knocked out cold by a bottle in what's considered a "hate" crime.
-Uatu appears,as Strange said,this can only mean bad things.
-While the President's advisors meet,Iron Man assures them to press on with the legislation and that he,Reed,and Hank will take care of Cap.

I mean,for a 7 part mini-series,that's alot for one issue.

[Ikaris-Eternal]

i just read it (as well as IC #7)-

Marvel's series is more topical. It will be interesting to see if real sh** goes down in this series, but the real genius was to provide an allegory that really matters. (much like the racism allegory of xmen/mutants)

DC's series is entertaining for sure, but can you imagine trying to describe the plot to a non-comic fan, in order to entice them to read? Marvel's Civil War is a plot to which even non-comic fans can relate.

[Banshee]

Wasn't going to bother picking this up, as the only Marvel titles I read rigth now are Astonishing and The Ultimates, but i was at the store picking up Infinite Crisis and a few other titles and flicked through CW on the rack. Ended up buying it and loving it. I'll be adding this to my pull list, awesome art, awesome Cap action, very well told.

[ragingdemon155]

GNR4Life

I agree. For a "setup" issue and a 7 part arc...A ton of stuff happened in this issue. Really good setup. I'm glad that Spider-man is going to be in the spotligh t for this series. Hopefully he gets written with some respect. Jeez, the guy is just being dragged though the mud constantly lately.

Let him have some badass moments like Cap had against Shield.:mad:

[GNR]

It was good to see him not automatically side with Stark.

[Darthphere]

I got to say this is one the best comics ive read in the past years. Indeed its a set up issue, but so much stuff happened in this issue and it didnt feel rushed. The pacing was stupendous, the writing was even better. The scene at the Baxter Building was great, we get to see what people think about whats going on. Captain America, my god im sounding like a fanboy but who wouldnt side with this guy, honestly? This isuue did not let me down at all, Im really hoping they dont mess this up.

[roach]

THIS IS TRUE LUNACY! Im guessing we'll see a lot more villain fights than you think.


Im not sure in CW though...Millar said there werent any Villains in it

[Darthphere]

Im not sure in CW though...Millar said there werent any Villains in it


Not much in the way of villains in issue #1 except for the guys the New Warriors attack, but I dont see having the superhero community be in battle with itself without having some villains take advantage of it. Looks like Civil War Frontline might be handling that aspect.

[roach]

Not much in the way of villains in issue #1 except for the guys the New Warriors attack, but I dont see having the superhero community be in battle with itself without having some villains take advantage of it. Looks like Civil War Frontline might be handling that aspect.

that is what he said in an interview

[Darthphere]

that is what he said in an interview


I read that interview, he said they wouldnt be involved, what I took from that that there isnt some villain pulling the strings behind the scenes or any big villain battles. Doesnt mean we wont see any at all. But im course im using logic, intead of anything Marvel uses to make decisions.

[roach]

But im course im using logic, intead of anything Marvel uses to make decisions.

that would be the Magic Waffle(Magic Waffle is trademarked Marvel Entertaiment)

[Darthphere]

that would be the Magic Waffle(Magic Waffle is trademarked Marvel Entertaiment)


Interesting.

[PWN3R]

Cap's scene was so great. I mean wow, is there a word that describes it??

And Johnny got owned. :eek:

[PWN3R]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/WarRoom/01/MCW_2pg9_t.jpg

From Civil War #2.......:eek:

[Darthphere]

Looks like Patriot is getting ninja starred?

[PWN3R]

Yeah it kind does lol...


That shot of Cap riding the jet, someone needs to make that an avy...

[Xofenroht]

Wow, I'm so excited for this mini-series. The new DD seems a tad bit creepy and/or shady. This put me in love with Cap, I can't wait to see how far this goes now. Wonderful writing on Millar's part.
It looks like the people's example has been made Johnny Storm. Poor guy.

[Darthphere]

Wow, I'm so excited for this mini-series. The new DD seems a tad bit creepy and/or shady. This put me in love with Cap, I can't wait to see how far this goes now. Wonderful writing on Millar's part.
It looks like the people's example has been made Johnny Storm. Poor guy.


My guess is DD is some reformed villain, that cant be Iron Fist, is the coin a clue, is he Two-Face?

[PWN3R]

My guess is DD is some reformed villain, that cant be Iron Fist, is the coin a clue, is he Two-Face?

yeah I thought the coin was....I dunno. Cuz Matt is at Rykers, I hope they touch on this.

[Xofenroht]

My guess is DD is some reformed villain, that cant be Iron Fist, is the coin a clue, is he Two-Face?

LMAO, that would be hilarious. Then Dent would more problems on his hands. What would be even crazier is if Strange found a way to duplicate Matt's DD persona...

[Darthphere]

LMAO, that would be hilarious. Then Dent would more problems on his hands. What would be even crazier is if Strange found a way to duplicate Matt's DD persona...


Far too complicated for my liking.

[PWN3R]

He is Sugerman in disguise...:(

[Spectre722]

civil war is looking to be pretty awesome. the only reason people were hating on it before it came out was because most of the prelude stuff, new avengers, illuminati, etc. was handeled by Bendis. Millar is definately much more capable.

[GNR]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/WarRoom/01/MCW_2pg9_t.jpg

From Civil War #2.......:eek:


I'm going to pretend like I didn't see that.

[GNR]

Hey wait a sec,so it's pretty safe to say Patriot turns out okay after #11?

[Darthphere]

Hey wait a sec,so it's pretty safe to say Patriot turns out okay after #11?


Not for long...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!:(