Even Wolverine can kill Silver Surfer:look at this amazing pic

[DevilHulk]

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL524/1783866/3898620/129292079.jpg

again proof that Silver Surfer is really overrated by fanboys

Wolverine's claws can cut him easy.

Fantastic,really fantastic.

I can see fanboys crying again....:up:

[Jonathanos]

Wolverine also killed the Hulk in another What If.

[torkibe]

Is that from a "What if?"

[KingOfDreams]

Why do you hate the Silver Surfer? Hell, why do you hate every character besides The Hulk?

[Guyverjay]

Total bull**** considering that surfer has been cut into pieces and still battled on as normal as well as putting him self back together again. Not to mention that wolvie doesn't have the strength to push the claws through the surfer (who silver all the way through btw)


Wolverine and Thor have killed Hulk in What ifs:p

[SuperFerret]

I actually feel that that page is an example of Wolverine's status as an over-rated character.

[TarzanTommie]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2318/surferbeatshulk9wu.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surferbeatshulk9wu.jpg)

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8479/survervshulk2bx.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=survervshulk2bx.jpg)

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4785/theincrediblehulkv2250195pv.th.jpg (http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincrediblehulkv2250195pv.jpg)


Surfer is even a better stud:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3867/sslover2gl.th.jpg (http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sslover2gl.jpg)

as compared to Hulk

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8417/defenders3umarhulk7fr.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defenders3umarhulk7fr.jpg)

[Mr. Green]

It looks like Hulk got a better deal than Surfer in the "stud" department. :D
Silver Surfer can beat Hulk easier than ANYONE, but it is still possible for Hulk to find a way to beat SS.

My reasoning: If Thor can beat SS and Hulk has about a 50/50 chance of beating Thor, than he still has a chance against Surfer.

[doih]

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=61886&highlight=Morg

[DevilHulk]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2318/surferbeatshulk9wu.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surferbeatshulk9wu.jpg)

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8479/survervshulk2bx.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=survervshulk2bx.jpg)

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4785/theincrediblehulkv2250195pv.th.jpg (http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincrediblehulkv2250195pv.jpg)


Surfer is even a better stud:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3867/sslover2gl.th.jpg (http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sslover2gl.jpg)

as compared to Hulk

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6543/img00981xy1ci.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img00981xy1ci.jpg)


ahahh i see that Mr X called his anti-hulk CBR friends to support him,you're welcome new :up: dear troll.....and i hope you'll enjoy the pics i posted about Hulk killing Surfer and Wolverine killing him.....

Hulk > Wolverine > Silver Surfer:up:

[Upset Spideyfan]

^^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insecurity


Enjoy

[TarzanTommie]

Hulk is simply not the best there is.

Surfer has beaten Hulk several times.And is a stud.

Superman has beaten Hulk.Stood unmoved while an angry Hulk hit him.And has a beautiful wife in Lois Lane.

Thor has beaten Hulk easily with lightning.And is a top studman.

Hulk loses to all of the above and didn't do the deed well with Umar.She even said he was disappointing.

These are facts from published books.No one is a hater.Hulk is just inferior to all three.As well as many others.

[TarzanTommie]

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8073/defendersv2001337ia.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defendersv2001337ia.jpg)

That is a rock monster beating Hulk.Surfer travels space and deals with asteriods.Surfer > Hulk.

[DevilHulk]

Hulk is simply not the best there is.

Surfer has beaten Hulk several times.And is a stud.

Superman has beaten Hulk.Stood unmoved while an angry Hulk hit him.And has a beautiful wife in Lois Lane.

Thor has beaten Hulk easily with lightning.And is a top studman.

Hulk loses to all of the above and didn't do the deed well with Umar.She even said he was disappointing.

These are facts from published books.No one is a hater.Hulk is just inferior to all three.As well as many others.

the fair of lies buahahahahah :up:

your envy for the hulk is great,congratulations!!:up:

[KingOfDreams]

Seriously, how old are you, DevilHulk? Five?

[Jonathanos]

That is a rock monster beating Hulk.Surfer travels space and deals with asteriods.Surfer > Hulk.

Could have been worse. Surfer got taken out by a chimney. :D

[X]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2318/surferbeatshulk9wu.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surferbeatshulk9wu.jpg)

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8479/survervshulk2bx.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=survervshulk2bx.jpg)

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4785/theincrediblehulkv2250195pv.th.jpg (http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincrediblehulkv2250195pv.jpg)


Surfer is even a better stud:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3867/sslover2gl.th.jpg (http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sslover2gl.jpg)

as compared to Hulk

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8417/defenders3umarhulk7fr.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defenders3umarhulk7fr.jpg)

Ahahaha, I love you!

^^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insecurity


Enjoy

Kudos. :D

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8073/defendersv2001337ia.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defendersv2001337ia.jpg)

That is a rock monster beating Hulk.Surfer travels space and deals with asteriods.Surfer > Hulk.

And again!

[X]

Ah, by the way, here's Wolverine killing The Hulk.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/129412792.jpg

[DevilHulk]

Please X stop calling all the morons of the web to support your hatred against the Hulk,are not you able to face a debate without the help of your hulk haters friends ? CBR sucks,like you.:up: :)

[DevilHulk]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/JasonDeanT8/SilverSurfer9.jpg











http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/JasonDeanT8/SilverSurfer10.jpg



Silver Surfer is weak:)

[rodhulk]

Hulk is simply not the best there is.

Surfer has beaten Hulk several times.And is a stud.

Superman has beaten Hulk.Stood unmoved while an angry Hulk hit him.And has a beautiful wife in Lois Lane.

Thor has beaten Hulk easily with lightning.And is a top studman.

Hulk loses to all of the above and didn't do the deed well with Umar.She even said he was disappointing.

These are facts from published books.No one is a hater.Hulk is just inferior to all three.As well as many others.And Hulk has beaten Thor, proved to be more powerful than Silver Surfer when really needed to be, etc... etc...

You really don't think much of the Hulk, do you??????

[rodhulk]

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8073/defendersv2001337ia.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defendersv2001337ia.jpg)

That is a rock monster beating Hulk.Surfer travels space and deals with asteriods.Surfer > Hulk.... and Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth........

[X]

Funny you should post that because The Hulk tried breaking it in the exact same way and failed. Therefore, The Hulk's weak. :)

Silver Surfer beat Durok in the end too.

[X]

... and Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth........

In a comedic story that even PAD denounces.

Or does PAD's opinion only matter when it's in line with yours?

[rodhulk]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/JasonDeanT8/SilverSurfer9.jpg











http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/JasonDeanT8/SilverSurfer10.jpg



Silver Surfer is weak:):up: Silver Surfer is overrated and I'm not even sure he's in Hulk's class anymore!

It's got me thinking that the way all these guys are knocking down the Hulk shows me that the Hulk could really be over the SS and these guys are afraid of that because they really dislike the Hulk (despite their claims of the opposite) and hate somebody they dislike to be over their fav! :down

[rodhulk]

Oh, and for some proof to you guys that the Hulk is over the Surfer, I'm gonna say something that I enjoy repeating....

PAD himself said it was Galactus, not Surfer, who would be Hulk's ultimate strength test, the one who could really go with the Hulk when Hulk is at his greatest.

Now, we all probably agree:

Galactus over Surfer

so, with what PAD said means:

Hulk over Surfer.

[rodhulk]

Funny you should post that because The Hulk tried breaking it in the exact same way and failed. Therefore, The Hulk's weak. :)

Silver Surfer beat Durok in the end too.Bah, you're just on the defensive for your Surfer because you know he's about to lose!

I don't care at the moment on what Surfer does because he's got all you 'fanboys' supporting him and the Hulk doesn't except for DH, so I'm here to support the Hulk (yeah, favoritism, but only until you guys give the Hulk his due that he's a fair match for Surfer and that he 'can,' not for sure, but can beat him). So, I repeat, Hulk broke it and Surfer couldn't in the episode I'm quoting so I guess that means Hulk is strong and SS is weak. :up:

[rodhulk]

In a comedic story that even PAD denounces.

Or does PAD's opinion only matter when it's in line with yours?But it happened, X, it happened. :)

[KingOfDreams]

Why do you, rodhulk and devilhulk, feel you have to defend The Hulk at every turn? Both of you use one-sided and childish logic and arguments that just makes us have to respond. We don't hate the Hulk (or at least I don't). Anyway, the Silver Surfger was a herald for freakin' Galactus. That has to count for something. And I've read an issue where the Surfer tried to revitalize a dying world. He actually created millions of years of evolution in minutes, maybe even seconds. He can also heal with his powers. The Silver Surfer's powers are much more versitile than The Hulk's. The Hulk just has gamma-enduced super strength and durability (granted, very powerful). Because The Surfer's powers are so versititle is why I believe he'd come out on top in most battles.

[Guyverjay]

What really sad is Surfer has beaten Hulk on multiple occasions

[newmexneon]

Oh, and for some proof to you guys that the Hulk is over the Surfer, I'm gonna say something that I enjoy repeating....

PAD himself said it was Galactus, not Surfer, who would be Hulk's ultimate strength test, the one who could really go with the Hulk when Hulk is at his greatest.

Now, we all probably agree:

Galactus over Surfer

so, with what PAD said means:

Hulk over Surfer.

That doesn't mean that Hulk can defeat anyone who isn't galactus.

[Jonathanos]

PAD himself said it was Galactus, not Surfer, who would be Hulk's ultimate strength test, the one who could really go with the Hulk when Hulk is at his greatest.

PAD said the Hulk could be pushed to new heights of strength in facing Galactus. He didn't say Hulk could give Galactus a go.

[X]

PAD said the Hulk could be pushed to new heights of strength in facing Galactus. He didn't say Hulk could give Galactus a go.

And every single Hulk vs. Galactus fight has The Hulk as a nuisance. Secret Wars, What If's... I could go on and on.

DH and Rod cling to one tiny thing that PAD threw out there. They've given it literally dozens of times more thought than PAD himself.

It's just amazing, really.

It's also funny that Rod thinks Durok slapping around the Surfer is a bad showing. Durok beat Thor more conclusively than The Hulk ever has... And Norrin beat Durok in the end anyhow.

Just how in the **** does that make you lose respect for him? You see two scans from a comic and you're making decisions?

That's so asinine it's almost unbelievable.

[Mr. Green]

Thor has beaten Hulk easily with lightning. Thor NEVER beat Hulk easily, and Thor NEVER beat Hulk with lightning. I do not even know for certain if Thor ever "definately" beat the Hulk.

I just think it's funny that you think all these male superheros are "studs". :down

[Mr. Green]

Because The Surfer's powers are so versititle is why I believe he'd come out on top in most battles.
See, most battles, implying Hulk is not to be counted out. I agree with the above statement. From previous encounters the evidence points to SS as the likely winner, but that doesn't count out the Hulk all together as implied by some people.

[KingOfDreams]

Just noticed I spelled versitile wrong (and I probably did again just there). Anyway, I agree that The Hulk could give the Surfer a tough fight but I still think the Surfer could defeat him. I'm not saying that Hulk couldn't given the proper circumstances but I'm willing to give the Surfer the benefit of the doubt knowing what he can do and what he has done with his powers in the past.

[X]

Thor NEVER beat Hulk easily, and Thor NEVER beat Hulk with lightning. I do not even know for certain if Thor ever "definately" beat the Hulk.

I just think it's funny that you think all these male superheros are "studs". :down

Thor beat The Hulk with a lighting attack in Hulk annual 01'. Knocked The Hulk out.

[DevilHulk]

these guys are afraid of that because they really dislike the Hulk (despite their claims of the opposite) and hate somebody they dislike to be over their fav! :down

you really are the source of truth Roddy,and i respect you very much:up:

Don't remember that almost these guys had been called by Mr X to underrate the hulk (i'd bet all my money about this thing)

Ehi Roddy don't you think it's a little strange and suspect that in a hulk related board there is full of these anti-hulk trolls ? it can't be only a coincidence of the fate!!

For example,look at hulkmovie board,people really loves the hulk!!:) they all agreed that the hulk should destroy the Surfer and they hope it will happen as soon as possible,and just for the record 1)they don't hate the Surfer! 2)they love the hulk 3)they think he should beat SS most of the times and so they want him to beat SS!

X,surely,will answer :You and Rod created this anti-hulk situation...not me and bla bla bla.And since X is so predictable i'd suggest him to look at hulkmovie board where i have been posting for years (much more than here,talking about time) and where people really loves me and i'm the same exact poster that i'm here,not plus not minus! so the answer is a logical consequence of the question:X created these anti-hulk situation calling all these anti hulk trolls from other boards that keep on underrating this char.

:) X why don't you leave this board as you,in the past,left hulkmovie.board? (right you did not leave that place,they kicked your ass badly)

[X]

*Yawn*

[rodhulk]

PAD said the Hulk could be pushed to new heights of strength in facing Galactus. He didn't say Hulk could give Galactus a go.No, but what did he exactly mean? Did he mean that Hulk could have a real 'go' at Galactus? Doesn't matter?

By what I said (in my quote of PAD), despite our debates in the past, this isn't about Hulk beating Galactus or vice-verca. It's about the fact that Galactus, who is above Surfer, was put as Hulk's greatest test at his (Hulk's) greatest rage and strength enhancement. PAD went 'above' Surfer to find someone who could be up there with or above Hulk at his ultimate.

[rodhulk]

That doesn't mean that Hulk can defeat anyone who isn't galactus.Hulk can lose to many people under Galactus. I've said that many times. The Galactus thing is with Hulk at his greatest level, beyond what he's ever been at.

Besides that, I have no problem with Hulk losing to Surfer, Thor......... if he hasn't reached his insane levels of power.

[rodhulk]

And every single Hulk vs. Galactus fight has The Hulk as a nuisance. Secret Wars, What If's... I could go on and on.

DH and Rod cling to one tiny thing that PAD threw out there. They've given it literally dozens of times more thought than PAD himself.

It's just amazing, really.

It's also funny that Rod thinks Durok slapping around the Surfer is a bad showing. Durok beat Thor more conclusively than The Hulk ever has... And Norrin beat Durok in the end anyhow.

Just how in the **** does that make you lose respect for him? You see two scans from a comic and you're making decisions?

That's so asinine it's almost unbelievable.1) Every single one of those run-ins with Galactus didn't have Hulk at his ultimate.

2) Fact is, PAD did say this. I don't mind if you give the others fair chances on beating the Hulk, I do as well if you really read many of my posts, but why do you always tell half truths or lies when debating with DH and I and neglect to say that Hulk may win as well when you believe this in many Hulk vs 'somebody' matches you've debated DH and I in? You know about the asteroid busting thing of the Hulk. To be fair to the Hulk, you could have mentioned that to your friend on the previous page, but you didn't. And even if you still give Surfer the greater chances on beating the Hulk, you could still, in Hulk's defence, mention that PAD quote yourself to suggest Hulk has 'real' chances against Surfer.

You go on and on like this, X, yet you accuse me of doing what you're actually doing, not giving any favor to other people when many of my posts 'prove' that I do give others chances against the Hulk (yet in your case, it's not 'people' but the Hulk you never give any chances for).

3) I only gave the Surfer a bad showing in response to your repeated 'Hulk' bad showings and bashings. What about his great stuff that so outweighs his bad stuff? You know, things that maybe he couldn't do at one time, but with rage enhancements, he could do later.

[Mr. Green]

Thor beat The Hulk with a lighting attack in Hulk annual 01'. Knocked The Hulk out.
:mad: Dammit. I have that issue too...

I was just thinking of Hulk #four hundred something, where Hulk fought a "beserker rage" Thor and was electrocuted with "enough electricity to light 1,000 Manhattans"... or something like that. Anyway, he was barely phased and I think that was the greatest Hulk/Thor match ever written.

Anyway, I agree that The Hulk could give the Surfer a tough fight but I still think the Surfer could defeat him. I'm not saying that Hulk couldn't given the proper circumstances but I'm willing to give the Surfer the benefit of the doubt knowing what he can do and what he has done with his powers in the past.
Definately, but my money is still on Hulk for this upcomming match.

[rodhulk]

Why do you, rodhulk and devilhulk, feel you have to defend The Hulk at every turn? Both of you use one-sided and childish logic and arguments that just makes us have to respond. We don't hate the Hulk (or at least I don't). Anyway, the Silver Surfger was a herald for freakin' Galactus. That has to count for something. And I've read an issue where the Surfer tried to revitalize a dying world. He actually created millions of years of evolution in minutes, maybe even seconds. He can also heal with his powers. The Silver Surfer's powers are much more versitile than The Hulk's. The Hulk just has gamma-enduced super strength and durability (granted, very powerful). Because The Surfer's powers are so versititle is why I believe he'd come out on top in most battles.What? What? No, seriously, what?

One-sided? And you and most others in this thread aren't being one-sided to the SS?

Childish? That is indeed you, I mean, with your spelling error and lack of reading skills (because if you knew how to read, you would see in other threads, I give ample chances to others over the Hulk but only favor the Hulk to win most (note: most, not necessarily all). The reason I'm more for the Hulk here in this thread and seemingly one-sided is because of all you guys acting like the Hulk isn't even at or close to SS's level! Incredible!).

The reason I'm in this thread 'responding' is because of what I just wrote above, the Hulk bashing.

Hulk has more powers than just strength and durability, but since you don't know this, it makes it obvious why you underrate the Hulk.

And I'll give you my greatest quote I enjoy using, that being that PAD gave Galactus as Hulk's greatest test, not Surfer. Galactus over Surfer, hmmmmm, that must mean Hulk over Surfer. You say I use childsh arguments and logic, explain to me how this is childish, you know, quoting something PAD said? You do know who PAD is?

[torkibe]

1) Every single one of those run-ins with Galactus didn't have Hulk at his ultimate.

So if I'm to understand you correctly... You are saying that the Hulk could stand a chance against Galactus if he were at his maximum?

[rodhulk]

you really are the source of truth Roddy,and i respect you very much:up:

Don't remember that almost these guys had been called by Mr X to underrate the hulk (i'd bet all my money about this thing)

Ehi Roddy don't you think it's a little strange and suspect that in a hulk related board there is full of these anti-hulk trolls ? it can't be only a coincidence of the fate!!

For example,look at hulkmovie board,people really loves the hulk!!:) they all agreed that the hulk should destroy the Surfer and they hope it will happen as soon as possible,and just for the record 1)they don't hate the Surfer! 2)they love the hulk 3)they think he should beat SS most of the times and so they want him to beat SS!

X,surely,will answer :You and Rod created this anti-hulk situation...not me and bla bla bla.And since X is so predictable i'd suggest him to look at hulkmovie board where i have been posting for years (much more than here,talking about time) and where people really loves me and i'm the same exact poster that i'm here,not plus not minus! so the answer is a logical consequence of the question:X created these anti-hulk situation calling all these anti hulk trolls from other boards that keep on underrating this char.

:) X why don't you leave this board as you,in the past,left hulkmovie.board? (right you did not leave that place,they kicked your ass badly)X can't leave, his anit-Hulk posts are too funny! :)

[rodhulk]

So if I'm to understand you correctly... You are saying that the Hulk could stand a chance against Galactus if he were at his maximum?You can understand me any way you want.

But what I said is that Galactus is the one that is Hulk's greatest test, not that Hulk would win or lose, but Hulk at his greatest must be above Surfer. That's what I have thus far said in this thread.

Understand?????????

[Jonathanos]

No, but what did he exactly mean? Did he mean that Hulk could have a real 'go' at Galactus? Doesn't matter?

By what I said (in my quote of PAD), despite our debates in the past, this isn't about Hulk beating Galactus or vice-verca. It's about the fact that Galactus, who is above Surfer, was put as Hulk's greatest test at his (Hulk's) greatest rage and strength enhancement. PAD went 'above' Surfer to find someone who could be up there with or above Hulk at his ultimate.

He went above the Surfer to find someone that could really tick the Hulk off, thus making him stronger than ever.

Anything beyond that is not a quote of PAD's. He never speculated on Hulk's chances or if Hulk could even put up a fight.

[DevilHulk]

Thor beat The Hulk with a lighting attack in Hulk annual 01'. Knocked The Hulk out.

and the hulk knocked Thor out with 3 blows in the same annual

liar as usual:up:

[torkibe]

You can understand me any way you want.

But what I said is that Galactus is the one that is Hulk's greatest test, not that Hulk would win or lose, but Hulk at his greatest must be above Surfer. That's what I have thus far said in this thread.

Understand?????????

That's a huge leap in logic. Fighting Bruce Lee would be the ultimate test of my fighting skills because he is the greatest there ever was... but that doesn't mean that if I fought Jet Li or Jackie Chan I wouldn't get my butt kicked.

So, no, just because PAD said Galactus would be his greatest test does not mean Hulk must be above SS.

[X]

and the hulk knocked Thor out with 3 blows in the same annual

liar as usual:up:

And how did I lie exactly? :confused:

[rodhulk]

He went above the Surfer to find someone that could really tick the Hulk off, thus making him stronger than ever.

Anything beyond that is not a quote of PAD's. He never speculated on Hulk's chances or if Hulk could even put up a fight.Re-read what I said, please.

Regardless of whether I believe PAD might have meant Hulk could give Galactus a run for his money is not what I've said in this thread. Not to you, anyways.

I said that PAD went above Surfer to Galactus, therefore, Hulk at his greatest must be above the Surfer. If not, then the Surfer would have been Hulk's greatest test rather than Galactus.

[rodhulk]

That's a huge leap in logic. Fighting Bruce Lee would be the ultimate test of my fighting skills because he is the greatest there ever was... but that doesn't mean that if I fought Jet Li or Jackie Chan I wouldn't get my butt kicked.

So, no, just because PAD said Galactus would be his greatest test does not mean Hulk must be above SS.Wrong.

The PAD statement indicated somebody that could actually hang in there with Hulk at his greatest.

If it was as you said, then it would be the LT rather than Galactus.

PAD went up to an opponent for Hulk that would be the final person for Hulk to beat or lose to, you know, the highest level Hulk could reach. Everybody else under this final person (Galactus), Hulk was seemingly suggested to be above, so yes, I would say Hulk is above the Surfer.

And everybody above Galactus is above the Hulk, and this could also include Galactus to be above the Hulk.

As for Bruce Lee being the greatest, he would lose to a ton of the best NHB fighters easily, so, no, Bruce Lee is not the best. In fact, Steven Seagal is greater than Bruce Lee in my opinion.

[KingOfDreams]

In fact, Steven Seagal is greater than Bruce Lee in my opinion.

I wish there was an lol smiley because this is downright funny.

[rodhulk]

I wish there was an lol smiley because this is downright funny.Really, you think it's funny that Seagal could humble Lee?

Wanna hear something funny.... Bruce Lee, in a playful yet serious sparring match, had a tussle with a grappler like Seagal, and tapped out in less than a minute from a submission. He was so taken in by this that he added this same technique (and others) to his art of Jeet Kune Do. He also used some of these techniques of jujutsu and aikido in his movies, especially Enter the Dragon.

[KingOfDreams]

Whatever. Seagal is still a hack.

[torkibe]

Wrong.

The PAD statement indicated somebody that could actually hang in there with Hulk at his greatest.

If it was as you said, then it would be the LT rather than Galactus.

PAD went up to an opponent for Hulk that would be the final person for Hulk to beat or lose to, you know, the highest level Hulk could reach. Everybody else under this final person (Galactus), Hulk was seemingly suggested to be above, so yes, I would say Hulk is above the Surfer.

And everybody above Galactus is above the Hulk, and this could also include Galactus to be above the Hulk.

As for Bruce Lee being the greatest, he would lose to a ton of the best NHB fighters easily, so, no, Bruce Lee is not the best. In fact, Steven Seagal is greater than Bruce Lee in my opinion.

Once again, a huge leap in logic. And a false one at that.

As far as Bruce Lee not being the greatest, this is a comic book discussion so I'm not going to even get into it. It was just an example which most people would have understood. Your clouded and delusional love of the Hulk apparently does not allow you to accept it.

[DevilHulk]

Once again, a huge leap in logic. And a false one at that.

As far as Bruce Lee not being the greatest, this is a comic book discussion so I'm not going to even get into it. It was just an example which most people would have understood. Your clouded and delusional love of the Hulk apparently does not allow you to accept it.

by the way,who are you this time ? x ? or Darknightfan? who else ? why do you change nickname everytime someone owns you in a debate ?:up: :)

[TarzanTommie]

Hulk proving DH & rod's claims that he truly is the STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2434/theincrediblehulkv2136194ie.th.jpg (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincrediblehulkv2136194ie.jpg)

Oh,wait wrong scan.Sorry. :D

[TarzanTommie]

A treat for those who discount all others except Hulk.Hulk in bondage! OMG!

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4030/defenders081166ec.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defenders081166ec.jpg)

[X]

Hulk proving DH & rod's claims that he truly is the STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2434/theincrediblehulkv2136194ie.th.jpg (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincrediblehulkv2136194ie.jpg)

Oh,wait wrong scan.Sorry. :D

What's really funny is that Klaatu is a much, much weaker Galactus, yet Klattu's treated the Savage and Mindless Hulk's like insects.

PAD had The Hulk completely incapable of beating Satannish. Getting angry for a month and doing nothing, he wrote.

Fanboys just don't get it. :confused:

[Jonathanos]

Re-read what I said, please.

Regardless of whether I believe PAD might have meant Hulk could give Galactus a run for his money is not what I've said in this thread. Not to you, anyways.

I said that PAD went above Surfer to Galactus, therefore, Hulk at his greatest must be above the Surfer. If not, then the Surfer would have been Hulk's greatest test rather than Galactus.

I did read what you said. You said, "PAD himself said it was Galactus, not Surfer, who would be Hulk's ultimate strength test, the one who could really go with the Hulk when Hulk is at his greatest."

PAD didn't say that. PAD said Galactus was his choice of who could push the Hulk to new heights of strength (IOW, tick Hulk off more than ever).

That doesn't mean Hulk can give Galactus a go as you're reporting PAD to have said. It means the Hulk would get stronger than ever facing Galactus.

Whether you want to believe he was thinking Hulk could put of a fight against Galactus or not, it is not what he said and you shouldn't be reporting it as if he was what he said.

Hulk wouldn't have to be above Surfer just because Galactus was PAD's choice. All it has to mean is that Galactus would anger the Hulk more than Surfer.

[TarzanTommie]

What's really funny is that Klaatu is a much, much weaker Galactus, yet Klattu's treated the Savage and Mindless Hulk's like insects.

PAD had The Hulk completely incapable of beating Satannish. Getting angry for a month and doing nothing, he wrote.

Fanboys just don't get it. :confused:

I've heard claims in the past that Klaatu could defeat Galactus.Even a healthy one.Not here.But in the distant past.Like yourself,I tend not to agree.

Still,if Hulk were truly a test for Galactus,he should have done better there.

[X]

Did you get my PM, Tommie?

And Jonathanos... Someone should just ask PAD to elaborate on what he meant, tell them how a few fanboys are bastardizing what he says and that it needs to be set straight.

He's occasionally on forums to clear up petty things like that, no? :D

[Jonathanos]

If you want to ask 'im, X, you could email him: http://peterdavid.net/

[X]

I don't think I'm going to waste the time... I mean, I'd like to clear this up, but e-mailing him's a bit too private and invasive for me. I'd prefer to just wait and maybe get around to asking him on those forums someday.

DH can feel free to basically stalk the man and hound him for juicy tidbits of information though. :up:

[Jonathanos]

Every so often on his site, he'll open a thread for people to ask questions. If you catch one of those, you could probably get the answer.

[TarzanTommie]

Thor's lightning: (so it's verified)
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6760/hulkloseslightning9yr.th.jpg (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hulkloseslightning9yr.jpg)

And Thor carrying off a defeated Hulk:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/523/hulka2001024fa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Superman beating Hulk:
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9291/supermanbeatshulk6uv.th.jpg (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanbeatshulk6uv.jpg)

Hulk can beat other heroes.Even these.But they can defeat him as well.And if Superman,Silver Surfer,Thor or whoever are able to beat Hulk,how is Hulk a true test for Galactus? After all,Surfer only has his power because G wills it so.And Surfer is well below his former master.

Even someone like Apocalypse can look superior to Hulk in some regards.You don't have to be a Hulk hater to not see him at close to Galactus challenging levels.

[X]

Every so often on his site, he'll open a thread for people to ask questions. If you catch one of those, you could probably get the answer.

Gotcha, thanks.

And Tommie, click on User CP, top left of your screen. I sent you something.

[TarzanTommie]

I pmed you just a couple of minutes ago X.Sorry for taking that long.

[X]

No problem. :)

[DevilHulk]

:up: Thor's lightning: (so it's verified)
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6760/hulkloseslightning9yr.th.jpg (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hulkloseslightning9yr.jpg)

And Thor carrying off a defeated Hulk:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/523/hulka2001024fa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Superman beating Hulk:
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9291/supermanbeatshulk6uv.th.jpg (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanbeatshulk6uv.jpg)

Hulk can beat other heroes.Even these.But they can defeat him as well.And if Superman,Silver Surfer,Thor or whoever are able to beat Hulk,how is Hulk a true test for Galactus? After all,Surfer only has his power because G wills it so.And Surfer is well below his former master.

Even someone like Apocalypse can look superior to Hulk in some regards.You don't have to be a Hulk hater to not see him at close to Galactus challenging levels.

Obviously you are X's slave or X himself from another pc :)
you're not a good actor.....

[X]

Obey me, o' my legion of slaves...

[DevilHulk]

Obey me, o' my legion of slaves...

i have to be really strong and important if you waste all your time calling posters from other boards to enter the hype against ME

That means only POWER.

[X]

I have the power!

http://www.oneposter.com/UserData/Poster/Poster_17184.jpg

[rodhulk]

I did read what you said. You said, "PAD himself said it was Galactus, not Surfer, who would be Hulk's ultimate strength test, the one who could really go with the Hulk when Hulk is at his greatest."

PAD didn't say that. PAD said Galactus was his choice of who could push the Hulk to new heights of strength (IOW, tick Hulk off more than ever).

That doesn't mean Hulk can give Galactus a go as you're reporting PAD to have said. It means the Hulk would get stronger than ever facing Galactus.

Whether you want to believe he was thinking Hulk could put of a fight against Galactus or not, it is not what he said and you shouldn't be reporting it as if he was what he said.

Hulk wouldn't have to be above Surfer just because Galactus was PAD's choice. All it has to mean is that Galactus would anger the Hulk more than Surfer.First, where did I say as a 'fact' as you're putting it, that I said PAD said Hulk can go with Galactus with a chance of Hulk actually beating him? I said I believe/interpret that PAD may have meant that, I never, as I recall, said PAD said that. You're misquoting me again.

But I can say that PAD may have meant that. Just as the Bible is open to interpretatiion, we can also interpret what we 'believe' was said if there is no clear meaning in what was said. This is the case with what PAD said.

The reason I believe PAD meant Hulk is above all else under Galactus at his full power is because there should be no more reason that Galactus could push Hulk to new heights more than Surfer if Surfer has the ability. So, I think PAD was looking at ability/powers rather than name calling or whatever.

I believe PAD was looking at who would be powerful enough to go with Hulk at his greatest. A minimum powerful person at that. It would always be one step up so that if it wasn't Surfer but the person above Surfer, then it would be that person and all above. So PAD chose Galactus and by that, we also know all above Galactus. So, this puts Hulk above Surfer in my books, at least for now.

[rodhulk]

Thor's lightning: (so it's verified)
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6760/hulkloseslightning9yr.th.jpg (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hulkloseslightning9yr.jpg)

And Thor carrying off a defeated Hulk:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/523/hulka2001024fa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Superman beating Hulk:
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9291/supermanbeatshulk6uv.th.jpg (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanbeatshulk6uv.jpg)

Hulk can beat other heroes.Even these.But they can defeat him as well.And if Superman,Silver Surfer,Thor or whoever are able to beat Hulk,how is Hulk a true test for Galactus? After all,Surfer only has his power because G wills it so.And Surfer is well below his former master.

Even someone like Apocalypse can look superior to Hulk in some regards.You don't have to be a Hulk hater to not see him at close to Galactus challenging levels.Yes, these guys can beat the Hulk and Hulk can beat these guys.

So, how is Hulk a true test for Galactus....

1) Hulk hasn't been at his greatest level yet, so that may put him up there to allow him to give Galactus a decent tussle, but then again, maybe not. Even if Hulk is the next person under Galactus, there could still be a wide margin of power difference, but it would take Galactus (or above) to stand the greatest chances at a sure victory over the Hulk.

2) PAD 'may' have meant that.

[Jonathanos]

First, where did I say as a 'fact' as you're putting it, that I said PAD said Hulk can go with Galactus with a chance of Hulk actually beating him? I said I believe/interpret that PAD may have meant that, I never, as I recall, said PAD said that. You're misquoting me again.

I'm not misquoting you:

You: "PAD himself said it was Galactus, not Surfer, who would be Hulk's ultimate strength test, the one who could really go with the Hulk when Hulk is at his greatest."

PAD didn't say Hulk could really go with Galactus. He named Galactus as being able to anger the Hulk more than anyone else.

You: "PAD went 'above' Surfer to find someone who could be up there with or above Hulk at his ultimate."

He didn't say Hulk "at his ultimate" would be anywhere near Galactus.

You: "The PAD statement indicated somebody that could actually hang in there with Hulk at his greatest."

PAD didn't say Hulk could hang in there with Galactus.

You: "PAD went up to an opponent for Hulk that would be the final person for Hulk to beat or lose to, you know, the highest level Hulk could reach. Everybody else under this final person (Galactus), Hulk was seemingly suggested to be above,"

He didn't say this either.

The ONLY thing he said is "Galactus" in response to a query of who would be able to push the Hulk to new heights of strength. He didn't say Hulk had a shot. He didn't suggest Hulk would be above anyone below Galactus. He didn't say Hulk would come anywhere near Galactus in power.

All his statement means, unless he clarifies further, is that Galactus would piss Hulk off more than anyone else.

Yet you offer your interpretation as "PAD said..."

No, he did not.

But I can say that PAD may have meant that. Just as the Bible is open to interpretatiion, we can also interpret what we 'believe' was said if there is no clear meaning in what was said.

Sure. What you can't say is that PAD said Hulk could give Galactus a go or be up there with Galactus because he didn't say that at all.

PAD didn't say anything about tick but rather who could

He named Galactus as the one who could push the Hulk to new heights of power. That means ticking off the Hulk as Hulk's strength is tied to anger.

[rodhulk]

Once again, a huge leap in logic. And a false one at that.

As far as Bruce Lee not being the greatest, this is a comic book discussion so I'm not going to even get into it. It was just an example which most people would have understood. Your clouded and delusional love of the Hulk apparently does not allow you to accept it.Ahhhh.... but Bruce Lee once had a comic, so it is a comic discussion. :rolleyes:

Funny how you don't debate me on points anymore and you show your childish, name-calling ways... wah.. wah...

[Jonathanos]

The reason I believe PAD meant Hulk is above all else under Galactus at his full power is because there should be no more reason that Galactus could push Hulk to new heights more than Surfer if Surfer has the ability.

One doesn't have to be the more powerful than another to provoke the Hulk to greater levels of strength. All one has to do is make him angrier.

The Silver Surfer is more powerful than the Leader. Which of the two do you think provokes the Hulk to greater levels of anger?

Spider-Man is more powerful than General Ross. Who does the Hulk hate more?

[rodhulk]

I'm not misquoting you:

You: "PAD himself said it was Galactus, not Surfer, who would be Hulk's ultimate strength test, the one who could really go with the Hulk when Hulk is at his greatest."

PAD didn't say Hulk could really go with Galactus. He named Galactus as being able to anger the Hulk more than anyone else.

You: "PAD went 'above' Surfer to find someone who could be up there with or above Hulk at his ultimate."

He didn't say Hulk "at his ultimate" would be anywhere near Galactus.

You: "The PAD statement indicated somebody that could actually hang in there with Hulk at his greatest."

PAD didn't say Hulk could hang in there with Galactus.

You: "PAD went up to an opponent for Hulk that would be the final person for Hulk to beat or lose to, you know, the highest level Hulk could reach. Everybody else under this final person (Galactus), Hulk was seemingly suggested to be above,"

He didn't say this either.

The ONLY thing he said is "Galactus" in response to a query of who would be able to push the Hulk to new heights of strength. He didn't say Hulk had a shot. He didn't suggest Hulk would be above anyone below Galactus. He didn't say Hulk would come anywhere near Galactus in power.

All his statement means, unless he clarifies further, is that Galactus would piss Hulk off more than anyone else.

Yet you offer your interpretation as "PAD said..."

No, he did not.



Sure. What you can't say is that PAD said Hulk could give Galactus a go or be up there with Galactus because he didn't say that at all.



He named Galactus as the one who could push the Hulk to new heights of power. That means ticking off the Hulk as Hulk's strength is tied to anger.Still misquoting me.

First, though, if PAD didn't mean anything about it taking power beings like Galactus and above to go with the Hulk at his toughest, then why didn't PAD list others like Surfer? Heck, why didn't he list the LT?

If Surfer has the power to go with the Hulk at his greatest, then that would mean that he could do it.

I make my conclusion because PAD went to Galactus and we would know all above Galactus as well as Galactus was the minumum person who could go/beat the Hulk at his toughest. So, by only saying Galactus, we know alll others above Galactus. I mean, we would reason it that way.

And you misquote me as I didn't say PAD said Hulk could hang in there with Galactus. I said I believe (not as a PAD statement fact) that PAD was thinking Hulk could hang in there with Galactus at his greatest.

[rodhulk]

One doesn't have to be the more powerful than another to provoke the Hulk to greater levels of strength. All one has to do is make him angrier.

The Silver Surfer is more powerful than the Leader. Which of the two do you think provokes the Hulk to greater levels of anger?

Spider-Man is more powerful than General Ross. Who does the Hulk hate more?Sure.

But I think people like the Blob could do it because of the way he makes fun of the Hulk when in combat. And others could do it as well... like General Ross, or the army.

Because we usually tie Hulk's anger in with strength and fights, a person would think PAD was meaning a fight and who could, at minumum, give the hulk a serious go/defeat.

[Jonathanos]

It's amazing how I can copy and paste what you said verbatim and yet you still claim I misquoted you.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

^^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insecurity


Enjoy


HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA LMFAO :D :up:

[torkibe]

by the way,who are you this time ? x ? or Darknightfan? who else ? why do you change nickname everytime someone owns you in a debate ?:up: :)

You are even dumber than I thought... I don't know who you suspect I am, but I assure you I just joined this board and have never gone by any other name. Changing my name because I was owned in a debate would mean I would have to have been owned in a debate, which no one here, especially you, has done... :up:

[torkibe]

:up:

Obviously you are X's slave or X himself from another pc :)
you're not a good actor.....

So... Anyone who disagrees with you and does not think the Hulk is the most powerful non entity in the multiverse is either X or one of his slaves? Is that who you think I am? :rolleyes:

[rodhulk]

It's amazing how I can copy and paste what you said verbatim and yet you still claim I misquoted you.hahahahaha! You're great, Jona! :up:

It's amazing that you keep misreading me as I state 'this what I believe PAD meant' and not 'that's what PAD said.'

Sometimes it's a continuous chat between myself and somebody and if you don't read posts earlier, you may be led to believe what you think I am saying.

To back myself up, when we started our debate earlier in this thread, I made it clear that I've said PAD seemed to indicate he was going to a person who would be worthy to battle Hulk at his greatest, then my next post to you, I said it in a way that may have led you/other people to believe I was saying PAD said it, but I was really only furthering my previous post and furthering what I believe PAD was saying. That's why I said, since there's continuous dialogue, you must read everything to know what I am saying.

And without any doubt, you 'and anybody else' can re-read my posts from the beginning of this thread till now and you'll see what I mean, that I haven't added, nor taken away anything from PAD's statement. I've made it clear time and again, PAD 'may only have meant....' because it would be most logical to think that PAD was thinking 'fight' and 'who could tussle/beat Hulk at his greatest.' I don't know how many times I must repeat this to you.

The only thing I would add is that in one post where I said PAD went above Surfer to find somebody who could go with the Hulk at his greatest, if Surfer could, why wasn't he named? And in a post just after, I make it clear that the statement of PAD 'indicated' that he went above Surfer which means not for sure in case you are correct, but it seems likely because as said, if Surfer could, you know, hang in there with the Hulk until he reached his greatest, then why wasn't he named? Despite what you believe, PAD may have meant what I'm saying. You can choose to believe what you want, I choose to believe what I want based on what we got.

It's also amazing that you can't look at what PAD said in a different way of thinking, that is, that maybe PAD did mean Hulk could be up there, or the first one under Galactus, therefore, Hulk is above all others under Galactus.

[Jonathanos]

Oh, and for some proof to you guys that the Hulk is over the Surfer, I'm gonna say something that I enjoy repeating....

PAD himself said it was Galactus, not Surfer, who would be Hulk's ultimate strength test, the one who could really go with the Hulk when Hulk is at his greatest.

Now, we all probably agree:

Galactus over Surfer

so, with what PAD said means:

Hulk over Surfer.

No, but what did he exactly mean? Did he mean that Hulk could have a real 'go' at Galactus? Doesn't matter?

By what I said (in my quote of PAD), despite our debates in the past, this isn't about Hulk beating Galactus or vice-verca. It's about the fact that Galactus, who is above Surfer, was put as Hulk's greatest test at his (Hulk's) greatest rage and strength enhancement. PAD went 'above' Surfer to find someone who could be up there with or above Hulk at his ultimate.

1) Every single one of those run-ins with Galactus didn't have Hulk at his ultimate.

2) Fact is, PAD did say this. I don't mind if you give the others fair chances on beating the Hulk, I do as well if you really read many of my posts, but why do you always tell half truths or lies when debating with DH and I and neglect to say that Hulk may win as well when you believe this in many Hulk vs 'somebody' matches you've debated DH and I in? You know about the asteroid busting thing of the Hulk. To be fair to the Hulk, you could have mentioned that to your friend on the previous page, but you didn't. And even if you still give Surfer the greater chances on beating the Hulk, you could still, in Hulk's defence, mention that PAD quote yourself to suggest Hulk has 'real' chances against Surfer.

You go on and on like this, X, yet you accuse me of doing what you're actually doing, not giving any favor to other people when many of my posts 'prove' that I do give others chances against the Hulk (yet in your case, it's not 'people' but the Hulk you never give any chances for).

3) I only gave the Surfer a bad showing in response to your repeated 'Hulk' bad showings and bashings. What about his great stuff that so outweighs his bad stuff? You know, things that maybe he couldn't do at one time, but with rage enhancements, he could do later.

Wrong.

The PAD statement indicated somebody that could actually hang in there with Hulk at his greatest.

If it was as you said, then it would be the LT rather than Galactus.

PAD went up to an opponent for Hulk that would be the final person for Hulk to beat or lose to, you know, the highest level Hulk could reach. Everybody else under this final person (Galactus), Hulk was seemingly suggested to be above, so yes, I would say Hulk is above the Surfer.

And everybody above Galactus is above the Hulk, and this could also include Galactus to be above the Hulk.

As for Bruce Lee being the greatest, he would lose to a ton of the best NHB fighters easily, so, no, Bruce Lee is not the best. In fact, Steven Seagal is greater than Bruce Lee in my opinion.


There was no "This is what I believe PAD meant" in there. You were trying to pass off what you interpret PAD to have meant as what PAD actually said.

Are you going to now claim that the Hype's quote feature is misquoting you?

[X]

It's offical, Rod's worse than DevilHulk.

At least DH shuts up and leaves at a point.

[Jonathanos]

DH at least isn't misquoted by the quote feature. Rod's the victim of a devious MB script.

[X]

Ahahahahhaa.

Jonathanos, can you honestly wrap your mind around a human being as stubborn as Rod? Can you imagine the situations he works himself into in real life?

[Jonathanos]

It's also amazing that you can't look at what PAD said in a different way of thinking, that is, that maybe PAD did mean Hulk could be up there, or the first one under Galactus, therefore, Hulk is above all others under Galactus.

If you'd said, "I think that PAD was meaning..." I'd have no problem with what you said. You didn't do that. You tried passing off what you want to believe he meant as being what he actually said.

Here's what he actually said:

I don't know what fun stuff you've got in store for us, but I was wondering who you'd pick for a fight againt the Hulk to really push his dynamic strength potential to new heights. Perhaps Mangog? Kurse? I'd love to see him take on (and defeat) someone really spectacular where he's pushing beyond anything he's had to do before.

I understand if you can't "tip your hand" if it would spoil your future issues, but if you can respond, I'd love to hear who you'd pick as Hulk's ultimate strength test.

Galactus.

PAD

All your claims that PAD saying Galactus "could be up there with or above Hulk at his ultimate" and "who could really go with the Hulk when Hulk is at his greatest" were pulled out your backside.

[gregtestagent]

As far as this Hulk,SS,Wolverine issue you guys are arguing here, I think it really comes down to who's the most interesting and who's the more popular. For me, SS is more interesting than Wolverine and Hulk. Hulk is popular and Wolverine is even more popular but it doesn't make them anymore interesting to me.

[rodhulk]

There was no "This is what I believe PAD meant" in there. You were trying to pass off what you interpret PAD to have meant as what PAD actually said.

Are you going to now claim that the Hype's quote feature is misquoting you?:)

Didn't read my last post to you, did you Jona?

You can see that we're in coninuous dialogue and on page 3, I clearly show that PAD indicated somebody who could tussle with the Hulk at his greatest. 'Indicated' doesn't mean for sure but likely. You see, before we started our debate today, I already made myself clear. Why are you trying to weasle out of it? In fact, you even quoted me once where I said 'indicated.'

As per the exact question that was asked, and I'll ask X, too, since he's with you.... why wasn't the Surfer mentioned if he has the power? Couldn't his power allow him to hang in there with the Hulk at his greatest, hmmmmmmmm? Yes, PAD went above the Surfer. The answer is there. PAD went above Surfer to find the person who could push the Hulk beyond what he's been at, who could push Hulk to his greatest.

[rodhulk]

It's offical, Rod's worse than DevilHulk.

At least DH shuts up and leaves at a point.And I'm worse because I believe something you don't and continue to explain myself?

Great going, X!

[rodhulk]

If you'd said, "I think that PAD was meaning..." I'd have no problem with what you said. You didn't do that. You tried passing off what you want to believe he meant as being what he actually said.

Here's what he actually said:



All your claims that PAD saying Galactus "could be up there with or above Hulk at his ultimate" and "who could really go with the Hulk when Hulk is at his greatest" were pulled out your backside.Actually, you are supporting me, Jona.

'Fight' was mentioned and the question was clearly asked, who, in a fight, could push Hulk to new heights. By saying Galactus, it seems we could conclude that Surfer couldn't last that long, doesn't it.

And 'who would be Hulk's greatest strength test' clearly shows 'who can hang in there with the Hulk at his greatest strength level, who is strong enough. PAD went above Surfer to Galactus. :up:

[Jonathanos]

Actually, you are supporting me, Jona.

'Fight' was mentioned and the question was clearly asked, who, in a fight, could push Hulk to new heights. By saying Galactus, it seems he was saying Surfer couldn't last that long, doesn't it.

And 'who would be Hulk's greatest strength test' clearly shows 'who can hang in there with the Hulk at his greatest strength level, who is strong enough. PAD went above Surfer to Galactus. :up:

D'oh! I just misquoted Roddy again!

Nowhere does PAD say Hulk could hang in there with Galactus. Hulk fought Klaatu. Klaatu flicked him aside.

[X]

And I'm worse because I believe something you don't and continue to explain myself?

Great going, X!

You believe in somrthing totally wrong. It's been proven to be wrong. You continue to blithely and arrogantly argue that you're correct. You are not.

You really just need to take a few steps back and see what an utter jackass you're being.

[Jonathanos]

:)

Didn't read my last post to you, did you Jona?

Yes, I did, Roddy. I noticed that you're backpedalling.

You can see that we're in coninuous dialogue and on page 3, I clearly show that PAD indicated somebody who could tussle with the Hulk at his greatest. 'Indicated' doesn't mean for sure but likely. You see, before we started our debate today, I already made myself clear. Why are you trying to weasle out of it? In fact, you even quoted me once where I said 'indicated.'

Right. You expect someone to believe that, don't you? Especially when your post right after this says PAD's statement "clearly shows who can hang in there with the Hulk at his greatest strength level, who is strong enough."

The only weaseling is being done by you.

As per the exact question that was asked, and I'll ask X, too, since he's with you.... why wasn't the Surfer mentioned if he has the power? Couldn't his power allow him to hang in there with the Hulk at his greatest, hmmmmmmmm? Yes, PAD went above the Surfer. The answer is there. PAD went above Surfer to find the person who could push the Hulk beyond what he's been at, who could push Hulk to his greatest.

Maybe Hulk would be more pissed off by someone who destroys entire planets than someone he gets into a random fight with. All the statement means is Hulk would get angrier fighting Galactus than he would fighting Surfer.

[rodhulk]

D'oh! I just misquoted Roddy again!

Nowhere does PAD say Hulk could hang in there with Galactus. Hulk fought Klaatu. Klaatu flicked him aside.But, Jona, where was Hulk's strength?

Wolverine has beaten the Hulk (though Hulk came back and nearly killed Wolvie).

Lots' of people have beaten the Hulk. And will.

Galactus has been beaten (driven away) by Thor, Odin, Strange.......

Almost everybody loses. Any Hulk loss does nothing for your argument.

[X]

How can anyone ignore the Satannish bit? We've seen PAD's view on Hulk vs. cosmically powerful characters. He wrote The Hulk never having any chance against Satannish.

He said something about Galactus, and yet Rod is making excuses to counteract what the man wrote?

It's freakin' insane. Honestly. Sheer idiocy.

[rodhulk]

You believe in somrthing totally wrong. It's been proven to be wrong. You continue to blithely and arrogantly argue that you're correct. You are not.

You really just need to take a few steps back and see what an utter jackass you're being.When you talk like this, you think I'm gonna pay attention.

And the quote of PAD is most likely what I say. If you can't deal with it, go on to another thread.

[Jonathanos]

But, Jona, where was Hulk's strength?

Wolverine has beaten the Hulk (though Hulk came back and nearly killed Wolvie).

Lots' of people have beaten the Hulk. And will.

Galactus has been beaten (driven away) by Thor, Odin, Strange.......

Almost everybody loses. Any Hulk loss does nothing for your argument.

The Klaatu fight shows that you can fight someone and it be completely one-sided, Rodi.

Sorry about misquoting you again.

[rodhulk]

Yes, I did, Roddy. I noticed that you're backpedalling.



Right. You expect someone to believe that, don't you? Especially when your post right after this says PAD's statement "clearly shows who can hang in there with the Hulk at his greatest strength level, who is strong enough."

The only weaseling is being done by you.



Maybe Hulk would be more pissed off by someone who destroys entire planets than someone he gets into a random fight with. All the statement means is Hulk would get angrier fighting Galactus than he would fighting Surfer.I'm going back to make you aware of what I've actually said.

PAD answered a question on who would be Hulk's greatest strength test inside a fight. That's what was asked. That's what PAD was answering.

Galactus, not Surfer, has the strength to be Hulk's ultimate strength test as according to him. Not sure why you and X insist on something else.

[rodhulk]

The Klaatu fight shows that you can fight someone and it be completely one-sided, Rodi.

Sorry about misquoting you again.Yet Thor sure made it one-sided against Galactus when he drove him off with the godblast, but we both know what would probably happen if Galactus was at full power.

Same applies with the Hulk.

[rodhulk]

How can anyone ignore the Satannish bit? We've seen PAD's view on Hulk vs. cosmically powerful characters. He wrote The Hulk never having any chance against Satannish.

He said something about Galactus, and yet Rod is making excuses to counteract what the man wrote?

It's freakin' insane. Honestly. Sheer idiocy.Don't have the issue handy, but wasn't that Banner speaking.

If something happened that enraged the Hulk quickly, it could even surprise Banner and then he could be seen saying, 'I didn't know the Hulk could get that angry (and strong) that fast.' You know, or something of the like.

Bah, what's the use with you. You've got your mind already made up on all things, set in your ways.

[Jonathanos]

I'm going back to make you aware of what I've actually said.

PAD answered a question on who would be Hulk's greatest strength test inside a fight. That's what was asked. That's what PAD was answering.

Galactus, not Surfer, has the strength to be Hulk's ultimate strength test as according to him. Not sure why you and X insist on something else.

It's called literacy.

PAD didn't say Galactus had the strength to push Hulk to his highest level. He named Galactus as the one who could push Hulk to new heights. Whether this means Hulk futile attacks him and gets angrier and angrier or they actually do slug it out, he didn't say. Your claim that he did is not just misreporting; it's a bald-faced LIE.

Sorry that I once again misquoted you.

[Jonathanos]

Yet Thor sure made it one-sided against Galactus when he drove him off with the godblast, but we both know what would probably happen if Galactus was at full power.

Same applies with the Hulk.

And that proves PAD meant Hulk and Galactus could slug it out evenly?

Sorry for misquoting you here.

[Jonathanos]

Don't have the issue handy, but wasn't that Banner speaking.

No, it was Hulk.

[X]

Don't have the issue handy, but wasn't that Banner speaking.

If something happened that enraged the Hulk quickly, it could even surprise Banner and then he could be seen saying, 'I didn't know the Hulk could get that angry (and strong) that fast.' You know, or something of the like.

Bah, what's the use with you. You've got your mind already made up on all things, set in your ways.

That's you, Rod. I'm a fan of the character without being a joke like yourself. I don't depet on literay characters to get by.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You are even dumber than I thought... I don't know who you suspect I am, but I assure you I just joined this board and have never gone by any other name. Changing my name because I was owned in a debate would mean I would have to have been owned in a debate, which no one here, especially you, has done... :up:

Welcome to the boards Torkibe, I see you have met DevilHulk :D Enjoy :up:

[rodhulk]

It's called literacy.

PAD didn't say Galactus had the strength to push Hulk to his highest level. He named Galactus as the one who could push Hulk to new heights. Whether this means Hulk futile attacks him and gets angrier and angrier or they actually do slug it out, he didn't say. Your claim that he did is not just misreporting; it's a bald-faced LIE.

Sorry that I once again misquoted you.First time you've ever apologized. :up:

Yes, it was inside a fight and it was the ultimate strength test. Galactus is. Surfer is not. The only conclusion must be that Surfer isn't strong enough.

Probable fact.

[X]

He's not strong enough yet he beat The Hulk three times.

Will the wonders of you not paying attention to anything relevent ever cease.

[Jonathanos]

First time you've ever apologized. :up:

LOL. Rodi doesn't get it.

I'm "apologizing" that the Hype's quote feature keeps misquoting you.

Yes, it was inside a fight and it was the ultimate strength test. Galactus is. Surfer is not. The only conclusion must be that Surfer isn't strong enough.

Probable fact.

Completely fabricated fanboy bs, you mean.

[rodhulk]

And that proves PAD meant Hulk and Galactus could slug it out evenly?

Sorry for misquoting you here.Apology accepted. :up:

And I never said as a 'PAD fact statement' that Hulk can slug it out evenly with Galactus, but maybe. Or maybe Hulk's not that close to Galactus but he's still the first one under him. That, I have said.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Galactus would squash the Hulk between his ballsack :up:

[rodhulk]

LOL. Rodi doesn't get it.

I'm "apologizing" that the Hype's quote feature keeps misquoting you.



Completely fabricated fanboy bs, you mean.Ahhhh, you must really hate that PAD answer since it really does put Hulk higher up than you want him to be.

As for your apologizing, maybe you should ask yourself, was I being sarcastic?

[Jonathanos]

Ahhhh, you must really hate that PAD answer since it really does put Hulk higher up than you want him to be.

No, it doesn't.

And don't pretend to read my mind, Rodi Xavier.

As for your apologizing, maybe you should ask yourself, was I being sarcastic?

Sorry I misquoted you.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ahhhh, you must really hate that PAD answer since it really does put Hulk higher up than you want him to be.

As for your apologizing, maybe you should ask yourself, was I being sarcastic?

Rod, you do know that 1 writer/artist/creator means very little right? It's just his opinion, it's not like you asked TMF, Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Neil Gaimen or any other number or writers or creators. PAD's opinion means a little more than yours or X's or Corps, but not much because it is still his opinion. Maybe he does not know as much about Galactus as he does the Hulk, maybe he is bias towards the Hulk. I wonder why? Myabe he wasn't putting much thought into answering the question. Who knows.

[rodhulk]

No, it doesn't.

And don't pretend to read my mind, Rodi Xavier.



Sorry I misquoted you.Sure it does.

Misquotes happen, thanks for the apol.

[rodhulk]

Rod, you do know that 1 writer/artist/creator means very little right? It's just his opinion, it's not like you asked TMF, Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Neil Gaimen or any other number or writers or creators. PAD's opinion means a little more than yours or X's or Corps, but not much because it is still his opinion. Maybe he does not know as much about Galactus as he does the Hulk, maybe he is bias towards the Hulk. I wonder why? Myabe he wasn't putting much thought into answering the question. Who knows.Right.

But we all have opinions on various comic matters and I stated my opinion on the matter just like everybody else.

If these guys can't accept it, it's not my problem.

[X]

Right.

But we all have opinions on various comic matters and I stated my opinion on the matter just like everybody else.

If these guys can't accept it, it's not my problem.

There are lots of different opinions. Some people, for instance, how educated opinions.

You however have a horribly wrong complete and total misconstrewed bull**** opinion. You don't take into account facts, or common sense.

Your opinion is valid at one place and one place only... DH's treehouse hang out.

Children all slapping each other on the back. So funny. :D

[Jonathanos]

Sure it does.

Four. <-- I wonder what you're turn this into. We've seen what you turned PAD's one word response into.

Misquotes happen, thanks for the apol.

Yep. Every time someone clicks "quote", they're misquoting you.

DAMN THAT DEVIOUS SCRIPT!

[torkibe]

Did you guys catch my thread about God vs Hulk? :lol: I wish it hadn't gotten closed. I would love to have seen how PAD's omnipotent word would have had the Hulk beating God. :lol:

[X]

Wonder who whined about getting it closed.

[TarzanTommie]

Incredible Hulk Vol 2,#359 The Satannish comment

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[X]

Thanks, Tommie.

Man, I loved PAD's Grey Hulk days.

[torkibe]

Welcome to the boards Torkibe, I see you have met DevilHulk :D Enjoy :up:

Thanks! At this point, even if the Hulk were my all time favorite hero, I would be forced to put forth arguments against him because this fanboy bull is just making me sick. Galactus for pete's sake! Next thing you know, they'll be saying that If the Beyonder had pissed the Hulk off enough during Secret Wars, he would have taken him :rolleyes:

[X]

Thanks! At this point, even if the Hulk were my all time favorite hero, I would be forced to put forth arguments against him because this fanboy bull is just making me sick. Galactus for pete's sake! Next thing you know, they'll be saying that If the Beyonder had pissed the Hulk off enough during Secret Wars, he would have taken him :rolleyes:

Beyonder already put The Hulk in stasis anyway, so we know how that fight would go. :D

Hey, Rod's saying The Hulk beat Dormammu with Eternity's power in another thread. It's funny.

[rodhulk]

There are lots of different opinions. Some people, for instance, how educated opinions.

You however have a horribly wrong complete and total misconstrewed bull**** opinion. You don't take into account facts, or common sense.

Your opinion is valid at one place and one place only... DH's treehouse hang out.

Children all slapping each other on the back. So funny. :DI don't understand your first sentence.

As for the rest....... really, I don't take in the facts when it was said to be an ultimate strength test. What is an ultimate strength test? Wouldn't it most likely be who is stronger/strong enough? If so, then that would put Hulk over Surfer as according to PAD from my POV, and logic too.

Now, you haven't actually denied that PAD may have meant what I said, so why don't you say that I could be correct as I have done with you and Jona? I'll tell you why.... because it's the Hulk, because it's my opinion, because you'd rather say half truths or just complete lies rather than admit you agree with me.

That's what makes you so horrible around the Hype.

[rodhulk]

Four. <-- I wonder what you're turn this into. We've seen what you turned PAD's one word response into.



Yep. Every time someone clicks "quote", they're misquoting you.

DAMN THAT DEVIOUS SCRIPT!He he.....

PAD's one word response was an answer to a specific question. Tie both together (which is what should be done after all) and it brings out something alot more than you want to admit.

Hey, I'd almost be willing to bet that if your friend, X'y agreed with me, you would too, Jona. :up:

[rodhulk]

Thanks! At this point, even if the Hulk were my all time favorite hero, I would be forced to put forth arguments against him because this fanboy bull is just making me sick. Galactus for pete's sake! Next thing you know, they'll be saying that If the Beyonder had pissed the Hulk off enough during Secret Wars, he would have taken him :rolleyes:If PAD said so, sure. :up: :)

For the record, if you can read, that is, you'll see that I also believe Hulk may be well under Galactus, but Hulk would still be next in line under Galactus in classification. So, really, I've said nothing wrong, just that you don't like the Hulk too much, at least his true powers that PAD has said and the comics have shown.... or is it because you just like X?

[rodhulk]

Beyonder already put The Hulk in stasis anyway, so we know how that fight would go. :D

Hey, Rod's saying The Hulk beat Dormammu with Eternity's power in another thread. It's funny.What does the comic say? The scans do kinda back me up, X'y. If not, show me in detail. If you can't, then maybe I'm right.

[rodhulk]

Incredible Hulk Vol 2,#359 The Satannish comment

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http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/2056/theincrediblehulkv2359168wa.th.jpg (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincrediblehulkv2359168wa.jpg):up:

Just curious, where would you put him in the classification, Galactus, under, over?

And I was wondering about 'the Stranger,' where does he fit in as compared to Galactus and some others?

[Mr. Green]

PAD didn't say Galactus had the strength to push Hulk to his highest level. He named Galactus as the one who could push Hulk to new heights. Because Hulk has no hightest level, and his strength knows no boundry. Hood work Jona! :up:

[Jonathanos]

He he.....

PAD's one word response was an answer to a specific question. Tie both together (which is what should be done after all) and it brings out something alot more than you want to admit.

All it brings to anyone literate is "Galactus could make the Hulk angrier than anyone else."

Hey, I'd almost be willing to bet that if your friend, X'y agreed with me, you would too, Jona. :up:

You'd lose that bet.

Sorry that the quote feature keeps misquoting you, Rodi Xavier.

[X]

:up:

Just curious, where would you put him in the classification, Galactus, under, over?

And I was wondering about 'the Stranger,' where does he fit in as compared to Galactus and some others?

Satannish is well below Galactus. Sattanish is an Elder God sort. Set, Cthon, in that ballpark.

Stranger's not much on the cosmic scale. Overmind's beaten him. Overmind's in the Thanos catagory. Adam Warlock one on one's given the Stranger serious problems.

[Mr. Green]

All it brings to anyone literate is "Galactus could make the Hulk angrier than anyone else."
If Angrier = Stronger, then Galactus could make the Hluk STRONGER than anyone else. :up:

[Jonathanos]

If Angrier = Stronger, then Galactus could make the Hluk STRONGER than anyone else.

Right. PAD named Galactus as the one who could provoke the Hulk to get stronger than ever.Yet Rod was originally trying to pass it off as that meaning PAD saying Hulk would be able to give Galactus a go. That's no more accurate than if someone said PAD stated Hulk would only futilely attack Galactus and get angrier than ever as a result.

[X]

Anyone remember Secret Wars where the heroes had to stop Galactus from killing The Hulk?

Galan's "cat" was beating up the Hulk for gods sake. :rolleyes:

[rodhulk]

All it brings to anyone literate is "Galactus could make the Hulk angrier than anyone else."



You'd lose that bet.

Sorry that the quote feature keeps misquoting you, Rodi Xavier.I still accept your apologies, Jona, since I'm a nice guy.

And you're still wrong because it was in regards to a fight and it was a (ultimate) strength test, that must mean somebody is having a strength competition with their own strength vs the Hulk in a fight.

And if I read your mind correctly, you'll still try to weasel out of it with another (lol) excuse.

[rodhulk]

If Angrier = Stronger, then Galactus could make the Hluk STRONGER than anyone else. :up:Correct, but because PAD said so (seemingly in a battle of strength, that means everybody else under Galactus couldn't last with the Hulk, that's my take on it). :up:

[rodhulk]

Right. PAD named Galactus as the one who could provoke the Hulk to get stronger than ever.Yet Rod was originally trying to pass it off as that meaning PAD saying Hulk would be able to give Galactus a go. That's no more accurate than if someone said PAD stated Hulk would only futilely attack Galactus and get angrier than ever as a result.Just read my reply to Mr. Green above for a more than probable accurate interpretation of PAD and the question that was asked.

Even masterfungus was surprised that PAD said Galactus, at least that's what I got from his reaction to the answer. It seems he also realized PAD put Hulk above all others under Galactus with his answer. At least as far as I remember. I think he tried to see PAD as joking afterwards because he was so surprised.

[rodhulk]

Satannish is well below Galactus. Sattanish is an Elder God sort. Set, Cthon, in that ballpark.

Stranger's not much on the cosmic scale. Overmind's beaten him. Overmind's in the Thanos catagory. Adam Warlock one on one's given the Stranger serious problems.Yeah, I thought they were both under.

How did the stranger do against Thor, I believe they met a couple of times?

[Jonathanos]

Show me where PAD said it was a strength competition between Hulk and Galactus.

Oh, right! You can't because you're making that up!

[rodhulk]

Show me where PAD said it was a strength competition between Hulk and Galactus.

Oh, right! You can't because you're making that up!:up: The man who plays the game, right on cue.

See, I told you that you would come back with an excuse.

1) It was inside the arena of a fight.

2) 'Ultimate strength test' was used. This should only mean a minumum powerful person whose strength can kinda reach or exceed Hulk's ultimate strength, that is, the person closes to the Hulk, I suppose. I don't read the original question and answer with PAD differently than what my 2 answers here suggest.

All I can say is to agree to disagree or we can just keep going. I'm game either way. (But I will, on occasion, use the PAD quote if there is a reason to with other people).

[Jonathanos]

Fact is not an excuse. You can fight someone without matching strength; in fact as we saw with Satannish and Klaatu, you can fight someone and be completely and totally outmatched.

The phrase "ultimate strength test" doesn't mean they're going to slug it out evenly. It doesn't mean Galactus is going to even notice Hulk. It means Galactus would be the ultimate test for Hulk, not the other way around. That's what was asked: Who would push the Hulk to the highest levels of strength.

You're free to use the PAD quote. When you claim PAD said something he didn't say, and I see it, I'm going to point out that you're lying.

[X]

Yeah, I thought they were both under.

How did the stranger do against Thor, I believe they met a couple of times?

Haven't met as far as I know.

[rodhulk]

Fact is not an excuse. You can fight someone without matching strength; in fact as we saw with Satannish and Klaatu, you can fight someone and be completely and totally outmatched.

The phrase "ultimate strength test" doesn't mean they're going to slug it out evenly. It doesn't mean Galactus is going to even notice Hulk. It means Galactus would be the ultimate test for Hulk, not the other way around. That's what was asked: Who would push the Hulk to the highest levels of strength.

You're free to use the PAD quote. When you claim PAD said something he didn't say, and I see it, I'm going to point out that you're lying.You're missing what was asked, though.

It was: who can inside the arena of a fight, be Hulk's ultimate strength test. The person who would be the ultimate strength test was Galactus, not surfer or any other. So, it should be reasoned that Hulk's ultimate strength test would have to be someone who would be compared to the Hulk/or who would be closest to the Hulk, even if there is still a wide margin. PAD went above the Surfer, not sure why you don't get this yet.

And by it being a fight, who can last through Hulk strength increases to still be testing (fighting) the Hulk as his strength keeps growing until it reaches it's maximum. It sure seems that way.

We must use everything that was asked in the question, not just a 'part' of it. The everything includes 'fight' and 'ultimate strength test.'

Also, before you use the word 'lie,' you should check with the person first before you accuse. I answered you and showed you clearly what I said. To me, it's your problem you don't understand, not mine.

But while we're on the subject, I can bring to account your 'lies,' such as saying I said Hulk beat Eternity when I didn't say that (beating somebody with the power of somebody else is not the same as beating the person whose power it is), plus, from awhile ago, saying it was a 'fact' Onslaught could fix his suit after Hulk destroyed it. A fact can only be when it happens, not when you just believe somebody should be able to do it.

[rodhulk]

Haven't met as far as I know.I don't have the issue, but didn't they have any combat when the Stranger sent the Abomination after Thor back in the early 70's or 60's. I'll try to get back to you with the issue #. The battle was where the Stranger dwells and Thor was there for some reason.

It was in THE MIGHTY THOR #178, July. The comic was 15 cents. It's listed on ebay now.

[Jonathanos]

You're missing what was asked, though.

No, I'm not. You're reading more than is there.

It was: who can inside the arena of a fight, be Hulk's ultimate strength test. The person who would be the ultimate strength test was Galactus, not surfer or any other. So, it should be reasoned that Hulk's ultimate strength test would have to be someone who would be compared to the Hulk/or who would be closest to the Hulk, even if there is still a wide margin. PAD went above the Surfer, not sure why you don't get this yet.

The question didn't ask who could compare to Hulk's strength at its highest. For all we know, PAD could think the Hulk's ultimate strength is beyond Galactus but Galactus' other powers keep him in the fight.

And by it being a fight, who can last through Hulk strength increases to still be testing (fighting) the Hulk as his strength keeps growing until it reaches it's maximum. It sure seems that way.

Or the opponent could just not even really be noticing, casually flicking Hulk away each time. Like Klaatu or the PAD-written Satannish encounter. I'd bet that Spidey would say he has been in a fight with Hulk, even in those when the Hulk pretty much ignores him.

We must use everything that was asked in the question, not just a 'part' of it. The everything includes 'fight' and 'ultimate strength test.'

Neither of which means it is an actual contest.

Also, before you use the word 'lie,' you should check with the person first before you accuse. I answered you and showed you clearly what I said. To me, it's your problem you don't understand, not mine.

I did. I used the quote feature. I read later posts where you said the same thing again and again. I realize that you believe the quote feature is misquoting you. That's not a belief I subscribe to.

But while we're on the subject, I can bring to account your 'lies,' such as saying I said Hulk beat Eternity when I didn't say that (beating somebody with the power of somebody else is not the same as beating the person whose power it is),

All right, I'm going to teach you the meaning of misquote.

I said: "It's ridiculous to think that the Hulk could take out Eternity."

You say here that I said you stated the Hulk beat Eternity. That's misquoting me.

You believe the Hulk could take down an Eternity-level foe; that means he'd have to be capable of taking down Eternity himself. Which is absolutely the craziest thing I've ever heard.

plus, from awhile ago, saying it was a 'fact' Onslaught could fix his suit after Hulk destroyed it. A fact can only be when it happens, not when you just believe somebody should be able to do it.

And it's not fact that Hulk can lift a Ford Pinto. Maybe he can't.

You have to agree to that or you're being hypocritical. But it's idiotic to say the Hulk may be unable to lift a Ford Pinto. Which do you prefer-- hypocrisy or idiocy?

[X]

Don't think they fought.

[TarzanTommie]

Here's the Stranger-Thor meeting from 178.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9656/thor178093lg.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor178093lg.jpg)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/814/thor178105bo.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor178105bo.jpg)

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[TarzanTommie]

:up:

Just curious, where would you put him in the classification, Galactus, under, over?

And I was wondering about 'the Stranger,' where does he fit in as compared to Galactus and some others?

I rate Galactus over Satannish.Who,in turn,I feel is above the Stranger.

[X]

Ah, good stuff Tommie.

Never even heard about that fight.

[TarzanTommie]

Thanks X.

That's the issue where Thor one punched Abomination also.It wasn't really a true fight though.But rather Abom trying to fool Thor even though Thor knew the true story by then.

[rodhulk]

No, I'm not. You're reading more than is there.



The question didn't ask who could compare to Hulk's strength at its highest. For all we know, PAD could think the Hulk's ultimate strength is beyond Galactus but Galactus' other powers keep him in the fight.



Or the opponent could just not even really be noticing, casually flicking Hulk away each time. Like Klaatu or the PAD-written Satannish encounter. I'd bet that Spidey would say he has been in a fight with Hulk, even in those when the Hulk pretty much ignores him.



Neither of which means it is an actual contest.



I did. I used the quote feature. I read later posts where you said the same thing again and again. I realize that you believe the quote feature is misquoting you. That's not a belief I subscribe to.



All right, I'm going to teach you the meaning of misquote.

I said: "It's ridiculous to think that the Hulk could take out Eternity."

You say here that I said you stated the Hulk beat Eternity. That's misquoting me.

You believe the Hulk could take down an Eternity-level foe; that means he'd have to be capable of taking down Eternity himself. Which is absolutely the craziest thing I've ever heard.



And it's not fact that Hulk can lift a Ford Pinto. Maybe he can't.

You have to agree to that or you're being hypocritical. But it's idiotic to say the Hulk may be unable to lift a Ford Pinto. Which do you prefer-- hypocrisy or idiocy?First, at least you finally agree that PAD might think that Hulk was stronger than Galactus, though Galactus's other powers are which can keep him going. But I'm not even sure if Hulk can get as strong or stronger than Galactus. Glactus may just be the closest.

But you see, it's still Galactus that can be there with the Hulk at his greatest, not others below Galactus. But since it was a strength thing, it seems like Galactus is, as I said, the one closest to the Hulk in the strength dept.

That said, don't be mistaken, you and X, I still favor Galactus over the Hulk 10/10 as I doubt Hulk would be given a chnace to get to his highest level if he is ever to face Galactus again.

As for the misquote, yes, you have. You must ask before you accuse. I answered you. I took it as continuous dialogue and so it may seem thtat I meant something else, but a clear reading and 'answer' to you clears up the issue as I described it as I only 'believe.' That's why I say it's your problem now, not mine.

You also had a chance to clear things up but still refuse to do so.

FACT is: I didn't say Hulk can beat Eternity itself. YOU said I did.

FACT is: YOU did say it's a fact that Onslaught could fix his suit after Hulk destroyed it. Since it didn't happen, it can't be a fact.

As for the Ford pinto, I don't recall but I doubt it, did I say it was a fact as you say? Or did I just say common sense would say Hulk can lift a Ford pinto?

Before you try to correct/accuse me (or anybody) of something, you would do well to make sure you're not doing it yourself.

[rodhulk]

Here's the Stranger-Thor meeting from 178.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9656/thor178093lg.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor178093lg.jpg)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/814/thor178105bo.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor178105bo.jpg)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2000/thor178114yp.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor178114yp.jpg)Thanks Tommy.

It's an issue I think I'll pick up sometime since it's been listed on Ebay often.

I've gained more respect of the Stranger now, though I already had alot with his encounters witht he Hulk.

When mjolnir went through him (Stranger) just by his thought, that was something I didn't know the Strenger could do.

[rodhulk]

I rate Galactus over Satannish.Who,in turn,I feel is above the Stranger.Could Galactus do the same as the Stranger did to Thor, maybe like having the godblast go through himself rather be forced away as he once was? I do know Galactus was weak at the time.

[rodhulk]

Don't think they fought.I think they also fought when Thor was a member of the Avengers.

Maybe Tommy has a couple of scans he could post if they did have other encounters?

[X]

Could Galactus do the same as the Stranger did to Thor, maybe like having the godblast go through himself rather be forced away as he once was? I do know Galactus was weak at the time.

The godblast bit was retconned years later in a Thor annual, Odin was giving his power into the godblast too.

And, yeah, intangibility would be a snap for Galactus.

[Jonathanos]

First, at least you finally agree that PAD might think that Hulk was stronger than Galactus, though Galactus's other powers are which can keep him going. But I'm not even sure if Hulk can get as strong or stronger than Galactus. Glactus may just be the closest.

Learn to read. I've never tried to pass off an interpretation of PAD's meaning as fact. Galactus can be light years beyond the Hulk even at Hulk's greatest and as long as Hulk gets angrier facing Galactus, Galactus is a valid answer.

But you see, it's still Galactus that can be there with the Hulk at his greatest, not others below Galactus. But since it was a strength thing, it seems like Galactus is, as I said, the one closest to the Hulk in the strength dept.

No, it seems that way to you because that's what you want to believe. And once again you're stating that Galactus would "be there with the Hulk" at Hulk's greatest. PAD never said Hulk would be competitive with Galactus' strength.

That said, don't be mistaken, you and X, I still favor Galactus over the Hulk 10/10 as I doubt Hulk would be given a chnace to get to his highest level if he is ever to face Galactus again.

Yeah, until Hulk gets to "Smashing Eternity" levels, right? :roll:

As for the misquote, yes, you have. You must ask before you accuse. I answered you. I took it as continuous dialogue and so it may seem thtat I meant something else, but a clear reading and 'answer' to you clears up the issue as I described it as I only 'believe.' That's why I say it's your problem now, not mine.

I did question it. You then reaffirmed it. Repeatedly. Then switched to "imo" then back to "PAD said Hulk is above anyone below Galactus/Galactus can be up there with Hulk at his greatest."

You also had a chance to clear things up but still refuse to do so.

FACT is: I didn't say Hulk can beat Eternity itself. YOU said I did.

If you believe the Hulk can hit hard enough to take down someone who has all the power of Eternity, that means it is possible for Hulk to do it to Eternity himself in the same situation.

If x = y, then it doesn't matter which you put into an equation. The result is the same.

FACT is: YOU did say it's a fact that Onslaught could fix his suit after Hulk destroyed it. Since it didn't happen, it can't be a fact.

He could. Fact.

As for the Ford pinto, I don't recall but I doubt it, did I say it was a fact as you say? Or did I just say common sense would say Hulk can lift a Ford pinto?

So you opt for the idiocy of "maybe Hulk can't lift a Ford Pinto." :lol: What a joke.

[X]

How can any discussion go in ****ing circles for so long? :confused: :o

[DevilHulk]

How can any discussion go in ****ing circles for so long? :confused: :o

because of you....

you just need to accept the truth:the hulk beat Dormammu.The Hulk has no more rivals.End of Discussion,my dear little monkey.

[X]

If he has no rivals, than how did Dormammu beat him earlier in the series?

Having no rivals would mean no one to challenge you, peroid.

He's been beaten by Sattanish, Klattu, Galactus, Thor, Namor, Xeron...

No rivals, eh?

[torkibe]

If he has no rivals, than how did Dormammu beat him earlier in the series?

Having no rivals would mean no one to challenge you, peroid.

He's been beaten by Sattanish, Klattu, Galactus, Thor, Namor, Xeron...

No rivals, eh?

... Silver Surfer, Juggernaut, Cosmic powered spidey (hehe).

[X]

DH doesn't have an anwser.

He's got an excuse, but no anwsers to my question.

Big suprise.

[TarzanTommie]

I think they also fought when Thor was a member of the Avengers.

Maybe Tommy has a couple of scans he could post if they did have other encounters?

I've read that 2 part arc but it's been awhile.I don't recall how much battle interaction Thor & Stranger(Toad IIRC) had.Don't have the issues anymore either I don't think.I seem to remember Stranger & Moondragon interacting.But I think the Stranger was revealed to be the Toad in disguise.Or something.Which would make the arc meaningless here.

Thor & Stranger may have met in an earlier Avengers issue,but I don't really recall any significant battling going on between them.Though without the stuff in front of me,I'm not 100% sure.

NP about the 178 scans btw.It wasn't a bad issue.I think Lee could have made the stuff about Stranger a little more complete.Still,worth picking up for the right price.

[TarzanTommie]

The godblast bit was retconned years later in a Thor annual, Odin was giving his power into the godblast too.

And, yeah, intangibility would be a snap for Galactus.

I agree about the intangibility aspect.

OTOH,about the Godblast:

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=051015034840

The original story made no mention of calling on Odin's power, not even a hint. So that's two in coninuity stories that indicate it was JUST Thor's power, with the second being the most recent addressing of the issue versus Thor talking directly to the reader in an annual. I'm sorry, but I don't how you think the annual trumps two IN-CONTINUITY examples with one being the original issue itself and the second coming AFTER the annual.

There's other info in connected posts.

It should also be stated about the annual that it was speculated on the same page as to whether Odin could defeat a peak Galactus.

I think the question about the annual is mostly whether it ever was in continuity.Not so much whether it is anymore.


Btw,all please excuse if this is rather rushed.I had a much better response written out,but the board had a glitch of some kind,and I lost it.Does this place have a post copy function? If not,I think I've finally found a board with even more annoying scripts than Alvaros.Which I didn't think was possible.:)

[X]

Post copy function? Not even sure what you're talking about...

[TarzanTommie]

I notice when I right click,no copy option comes up on this board.Unlike just about every other board I have visited.

[X]

Ah. I can copy and paste anything off the boards just fine. :confused:

[TarzanTommie]

Hmm.Strange.I use IE,maybe I should try Netscape?

[X]

I'd opt for Firefox. Best damned browser I've ever used, it's amazing, honestly.

[torkibe]

I'd opt for Firefox. Best damned browser I've ever used, it's amazing, honestly.

The only problem with firefox is keeping up with all the plug-ins and compatability issues.

[X]

I've never had to update and it's never been a problem with me.

New version of FF just came out. Maybe that stuff's streamlined now?

[TarzanTommie]

Having just checked,Netscape allows me to copy quoted material.Along with my response to it.IE does not.Except to copy it direct from the board itself as opposed to in my reply to thread post(which I would do in case I had written my response out but felt I had been on too long and might get logged out.)

Not a biggie,I suppose.More a quirk.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I was going to create a thread for this question, but screw it I don't care enough, since it will probably turn into a child like rage from one individual. But here it goes.

DevilHulk, what's your prblem? No seriously, I am not trying to be a jerk right now, but why do you always have to disagree with everyone so vehemently? Why do you always say everyone that does not share your view is automatically a Hulk hater? Why do you get so upset about anything, anyone says that is in contrast to your opinion?

[DevilHulk]

DevilHulk, what's your prblem? No seriously, I am not trying to be a jerk right now, but why do you always have to disagree with everyone so vehemently?

are you kidding me ? in this board i have to disagree only with one real bad poster X(and obviously with his fakes),all the others are ok to me

and in hulkmovieboard everyone agreed with me and i agreed with everyone,so please don't talk if you don't know the stuff...

[X]

He's so proud that an entire board of Hulk fans don't see anything wrong with how he acts. http://www.superherochat.net/phpBB2/images/smiles/vb_laugh.gif

[DevilHulk]

He's so proud that an entire board of Hulk fans don't see anything wrong with how he acts. http://www.superherochat.net/phpBB2/images/smiles/vb_laugh.gif

the same board that loves me and that kicked your ass badly:)

[X]

Eh. I left on my own accord. Left because of people who coulden't see anything in the character besides using him as some kind of pacifer.

Act like it's a victory though, DH. When you're proud of something so infantile and asinine, heh, well, the quality of person we're dealing with really shines.

[DevilHulk]

Eh. I left on my own accord. Left because of people who coulden't see anything in the character besides using him as some kind of pacifer.

Act like it's a victory though, DH. When you're proud of something so infantile and asinine, heh, well, the quality of person we're dealing with really shines.

what about HUlk kicking all avengers ass and even Thor's ass,beating Thor,defeating the thunder of God,smashing him, in the Ultimate Avengers movie,i would like to know your opionion....:)
still crying ? :)

Hulk BEAT Thor :)

[torkibe]

are you kidding me ? in this board i have to disagree only with one real bad poster X(and obviously with his fakes),all the others are ok to me

See... You think everyone that disagrees with you is an X fake. The only time I have ever even spoken to him directly was to tell him I thought he was being an ass with the whole tough guy thing... Did it ever occur to you that there are other people in the world who don't think that the Hulk is the greatest thing ever?

[X]

You can't do anything but completely avoid every point I make, so you latch onto another one hoping to win something. It's quite sad. :confused:

You fail to mention The Avengers let loose and were beating the Mindless Hulk the second time he rampaged.

Thor alone was stalemating the Mindless Hulk the first time around.

Thor's killed the Hulk in two seperate realities if you want to bring up the Avenger's movie.

Thor knocked out The Hulk a few months ago in the MC2 crossover.

[TarzanTommie]

are you kidding me ? in this board i have to disagree only with one real bad poster X(and obviously with his fakes),all the others are ok to me

For the record,I am not X.Nor did he call me here.Though I do nonetheless feel he is a very fine poster.Not saying Hulk fans aren't,just clarifying.



and in hulkmovieboard everyone agreed with me and i agreed with everyone,so please don't talk if you don't know the stuff...

There are several really nice people over there.As I recall,Mastermold,Jonathanos & Strongest,among others,post there some,which is cool.OTOH,a few hardliners over there didn't seem too friendly to those with some differing views.thebat,for example,was treated rather poorly over there,from what I saw.

[X]

Don't talk logic. He'll be at your throat being a ****head soon enough.

Way things work. You're my slave and nothings going to change that.

[TarzanTommie]

As you wish,Master. :D

[X]

Have you ever seen anyone a comic board as smill minded and ignorant as DH? Think about it, Tommie.

I mean, we've got an utter lack of knowledge of all things comics related. He thinks Exodus is more powerful than any DC character.

I mean, that's just ****ing insane. He knows nothing of anything DC and yet the fact that his favorite character beats one powerful character just allows him to have that massive assumption and lack of logic.

That's disgusting. If you're as single minded and asinine as he is with comics, I can't imagine the kid in real life.

It's funny how his loyalties shift. He used to kiss my ass to no end constantly begging me in PM's for one thing or another. Same with Jonathanos. Then he goes and bites the hand that's feeding him.

Ech. Comic fans like him just bog down the entire medium.

[TarzanTommie]

I was just kidding X,hence the smiley.

I am actually familiar with DevilHulk.And have been for some time.Just not here.

I've seen a few other,how shall I say this politely,"unique" posters in my time(several years.) I won't mention names since they are not here to defend themselves and it really doesn't matter anymore anyway.

[X]

Oh, I knew that you were joking, I just wanted to get that crap off my chest.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

are you kidding me ? in this board i have to disagree only with one real bad poster X(and obviously with his fakes),all the others are ok to me

and in hulkmovieboard everyone agreed with me and i agreed with everyone,so please don't talk if you don't know the stuff...

You still didn't answer my question. :rolleyes: but that's no big surprise.

[rodhulk]

Learn to read. I've never tried to pass off an interpretation of PAD's meaning as fact. Galactus can be light years beyond the Hulk even at Hulk's greatest and as long as Hulk gets angrier facing Galactus, Galactus is a valid answer.



No, it seems that way to you because that's what you want to believe. And once again you're stating that Galactus would "be there with the Hulk" at Hulk's greatest. PAD never said Hulk would be competitive with Galactus' strength.



Yeah, until Hulk gets to "Smashing Eternity" levels, right? :roll:



I did question it. You then reaffirmed it. Repeatedly. Then switched to "imo" then back to "PAD said Hulk is above anyone below Galactus/Galactus can be up there with Hulk at his greatest."



If you believe the Hulk can hit hard enough to take down someone who has all the power of Eternity, that means it is possible for Hulk to do it to Eternity himself in the same situation.

If x = y, then it doesn't matter which you put into an equation. The result is the same.



He could. Fact.



So you opt for the idiocy of "maybe Hulk can't lift a Ford Pinto." :lol: What a joke.The joke is that you originally started a whole thread based on Hulk and the Pinto.... now that's funny!

Sure. Galactus could be ahead of the HUlk by light years, I don't debate that, but at the same time, why don't you, in an equal fashion, admit that, just maybe, Hulk could be a little harder for Galactus than you seem to claim so far.

Galactus is the one PAD turned to who would be closest to Hulk's ultimate strength. Don't know why you miss that.

The Eternity thing, READ WHAT I SAID (quoting in general): A person with the power can still go down if they are not using the power at all/ or at it's fullest. Eternity itself, is that power and so it makes a big difference than someone just having it.

[rodhulk]

How can any discussion go in ****ing circles for so long? :confused: :oyeah, well........ I agree :(

I actually wanted to end it off because of the 'circle,' but like the Energizer bunny, he just keeps going and going......

[rodhulk]

I've read that 2 part arc but it's been awhile.I don't recall how much battle interaction Thor & Stranger(Toad IIRC) had.Don't have the issues anymore either I don't think.I seem to remember Stranger & Moondragon interacting.But I think the Stranger was revealed to be the Toad in disguise.Or something.Which would make the arc meaningless here.

Thor & Stranger may have met in an earlier Avengers issue,but I don't really recall any significant battling going on between them.Though without the stuff in front of me,I'm not 100% sure.

NP about the 178 scans btw.It wasn't a bad issue.I think Lee could have made the stuff about Stranger a little more complete.Still,worth picking up for the right price.I think any other meetings Thor and the Stranger had really amounted to nothing, just a little tussle.

Thanks for getting back to me, though. :up: :)

[rodhulk]

The godblast bit was retconned years later in a Thor annual, Odin was giving his power into the godblast too.

And, yeah, intangibility would be a snap for Galactus.Gotcha!

I didn't know about the retconned part.

I would think intangibility would be easy for Galactus, but I haven't caught him doing it yet, sure he has, though.

Hmmm, just curious as Tommy mentioned it wasn't sure if Odin could defeat Galactus at full power (from some other board I think)? I would say Galactus, not 100% sure, any thoughts?????

[X]

Galactus could walk over Odin at full power.

Odin at his absolute highest showings in 40+ years destroys a galaxy or two when he gets into fights. Galactus destroys countless Galaxies in fights with Tyrant, aka large parts of the universe.

When weakened he thought a galaxy to another part of the universe.

Galactus, weakened, but Thanos in much worse shape than Odin did, much quicker to boot.

Galactus, in the second Hercules mini in the 80's, decreated Hercules with a thought. Immortal Herc.

Galactus is a high end cosmic. In his mini in the 90's, he was starving, insane with hunger, almost dead, and with a thought he still could of killed almost every hero on Earth, plus Gladiator and others.

Galan just doesn't operate that way.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Galactus could walk over Odin at full power.

Odin at his absolute highest showings in 40+ years destroys a galaxy or two when he gets into fights. Galactus destroys countless Galaxies in fights with Tyrant, aka large parts of the universe.

When weakened he thought a galaxy to another part of the universe.

Galactus, weakened, but Thanos in much worse shape than Odin did, much quicker to boot.

Galactus, in the second Hercules mini in the 80's, decreated Hercules with a thought. Immortal Herc.

Galactus is a high end cosmic. In his mini in the 90's, he was starving, insane with hunger, almost dead, and with a thought he still could of killed almost every hero on Earth, plus Gladiator and others.

Galan just doesn't operate that way.

Isn't Galactus basically the 3rd most powerful Cosmic Being, behind Eternity and Death? LT doesn't really count since he is an odd one.

[X]

In most appearances, no.

When he's at his peak (And I don't just mean after eating a planet) Yeah, he's in the ballpark of Death/Eternity.

Not quite as powerful as he's not a universal embodiment of something, he's a bit more tangible... But still.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

In most appearances, no.

When he's at his peak (And I don't just mean after eating a planet) Yeah, he's in the ballpark of Death/Eternity.

Not quite as powerful as he's not a universal embodiment of something, he's a bit more tangible... But still.

Yes, I know but that's why I put him at 3. Who else would be above him? Oh well I guess when they creted Infinity. But other than that I don't see any cosmic being more powerful than Galactus.

[Jonathanos]

The joke is that you originally started a whole thread based on Hulk and the Pinto.... now that's funny!

Yep because your idiocy need an idiotic response. You were cornered on that. You either had to agree with the possibility of Hulk being unable to lift a Ford Pinto (idiocy) or disagree because he'd done much greater(hypocrisy). You opted for idiocy.

Sure. Galactus could be ahead of the HUlk by light years, I don't debate that, but at the same time, why don't you, in an equal fashion, admit that, just maybe, Hulk could be a little harder for Galactus than you seem to claim so far.

I haven't offered an interpretation as fact so I don't have to dance to your tune.

Galactus is the one PAD turned to who would be closest to Hulk's ultimate strength. Don't know why you miss that.

Probably because he didn't say it anywhere outside of your delusions.

The Eternity thing, READ WHAT I SAID (quoting in general): A person with the power can still go down if they are not using the power at all/ or at it's fullest. Eternity itself, is that power and so it makes a big difference than someone just having it.

A person using it at 1% of its potential is still beyond the Hulk. Do you know what 1% of infinity is?

If Dormammu wasn't using it at all-- which is the LOGICAL conclusion since Umar said she was draining it from him while he fought Strange-- then there's no point for you to even bring up the Eternity power.

[torkibe]

Yes, I know but that's why I put him at 3. Who else would be above him? Oh well I guess when they creted Infinity. But other than that I don't see any cosmic being more powerful than Galactus.

During Secret Wars II it seemed as though the Molecule Man was acknowledged as being waaay up there. Probably ahead of Galactus in sheer power. I could be wrong though.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

During Secret Wars II it seemed as though the Molecule Man was acknowledged as being waaay up there. Probably ahead of Galactus in sheer power. I could be wrong though.

Well from what I know, he has really been vastly upgraded and vastly down graded through out the years. So I guess it depends, but that being said. I still wouldn't put the best MM against the best Galactus.

No contest.

[X]

During Secret Wars II it seemed as though the Molecule Man was acknowledged as being waaay up there. Probably ahead of Galactus in sheer power. I could be wrong though.

Well, a few years ago in a FF annual back up story, Reece was basically one of the high end cosmics in comics. Even in Secret Wars II that was true.

[X]

Yes, I know but that's why I put him at 3. Who else would be above him? Oh well I guess when they creted Infinity. But other than that I don't see any cosmic being more powerful than Galactus.

Well, there's Oblivion and Entropy who are major cosmic beings.

The Hawk God's an obscure one that's had meetings with Eternity.

In-Betweener fought pretty evenly with Galactus.

There are cosmic cube beings (Shaper, Kubik, Cosmos, Beyonder).

Phoenix Force is a high end cosmic embodiment type being too.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well, there's Oblivion and Entropy who are major cosmic beings.

The Hawk God's an obscure one that's had meetings with Eternity.

In-Betweener fought pretty evenly with Galactus.

There are cosmic cube beings (Shaper, Kubik, Cosmos, Beyonder).

Phoenix Force is a high end cosmic embodiment type being too.

Forgot about O & E.

Didn't know about HG

True about cosmic cube beings.

PE good point, but not as powerful as big G, is it?

[TarzanTommie]

Yes, I know but that's why I put him at 3. Who else would be above him? Oh well I guess when they creted Infinity. But other than that I don't see any cosmic being more powerful than Galactus.

Master Order & Lord Chaos would likely be.They're over the I-B,who,as X said,fought Galactus pretty evenly.

A capable IG user certainly is.

The LT of course

Unless Galactus is at one of his very peakish showings,the Celestials are too I think.Common material related to Thor would seem to say so.

Individuals of the Vishanti are about even,I guess.Agamatto fought Galactus inconclusively in Aggy's realm.

There are probably a few others that are about peers,or so.Under overall inspection.

[X]

Forgot about O & E.

Didn't know about HG

True about cosmic cube beings.

PE good point, but not as powerful as big G, is it?

Phoenix Force has destroyed the universe in more than one reality... Basically a represenation of all life in the universe. Galactus had to trick the Phoenix in one Excalibur comic.

[TarzanTommie]

Hmmm, just curious as Tommy mentioned it wasn't sure if Odin could defeat Galactus at full power (from some other board I think)? I would say Galactus, not 100% sure, any thoughts?????
I had a much better response written but this will have to do(lost it.) I don't see the question about Galactus or Odin being that relevant in regards to Hulk since I really don't feel Hulk can compete with people like that under anything close to average type circumstances.

Far as the point about the Thor Annual,I was simply saying that the Godblast hasn't been retconned due to that,as far as I know.The link I provided earlier should help clarify.The original circumstances from 161 about it being Thor's power seem supported in Thor 412 & FFTWGCM 11.The quote I mentioned about a Galactus at his peak power vs Odin is not something I take as canon either.

Galactus has done some very impressive things.For that matter,so has Odin.I realize Hulk has as well.Though more along the lines of what would be expected from powerful hero types(Superman,Silver Surfer,Thor,Green Lantern,etc.) Hulk isn't a good matchup for Galactus.

Not even saying you think that.Just trying to present my case clearly.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Master Order & Lord Chaos would likely be.They're over the I-B,who,as X said,fought Galactus pretty evenly.

A capable IG user certainly is.

The LT of course

Unless Galactus is at one of his very peakish showings,the Celestials are too I think.Common material related to Thor would seem to say so.

Individuals of the Vishanti are about even,I guess.Agamatto fought Galactus inconclusively in Aggy's realm.

There are probably a few others that are about peers,or so.Under overall inspection.

I don't think the Celestials are above him, but that's just me. Of course anyone with the IG, that's a given. Like I said the LT doesn't really count since his power is basically derived from God.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Phoenix Force has destroyed the universe in more than one reality... Basically a represenation of all life in the universe. Galactus had to trick the Phoenix in one Excalibur comic.

I was not aware of that.

[torkibe]

Another tid bit from wikipedia, with some conflicting info...


Kubik's power seems virtually infinite by the standards of the human beings of Earth. The question remains, however, as to how Kubik's power level compares to that of the other beings known to be among the most powerful entities in the universe.
Since they are all "Cosmic Cubes," Kubik's might is presumably equal to that of the Shaper and to that of the entity that is the combination of the false Beyonder and the Molecule Man.
Responding to Bernard Worrell's fantasies. Kubik's power was capable of creating at least a duplicate of Earth (and its people) and the sun from the matter in a pocket dimension. Hence, Kubik may be more powerful than beings such as Odin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin), Zeus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus) and the Watcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Watcher) Uatu, who have not been shown to be capable of such feats.

How his power compares to that of such beings as Galactus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus) is unknown. However, Kubik may be less powerful than most known Celestials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestials), and is definitely less powerful than the gigantic Celestial Exitar. Presumably Kubik is also less powerful than the true Beyonders, who created Kubik in the first place. Kubik is also definitely less powerful than Eternity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity), who is the sum total of the life forces of the entire universe, and is probably less powerful than the Living Tribunal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Tribunal), who serves as judge and executor of justice to the multiverse.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubik)"


It says Eternity is DEFINATELY more powerful, and LT MIGHT be more powerful... HUH? :confused:

[Guyverjay]

Cosmic cubes are definately below Celestials, that came out of Kubiks own mouth. No one Celestial is more powerful than the big G

[X]

Another tid bit from wikipedia, with some conflicting info...

It says Eternity is DEFINATELY more powerful, and LT MIGHT be more powerful... HUH? :confused:

Handbooks are notorious for being sometimes inaccurate.

Same for Wikipedia to an even greater extent.

[TarzanTommie]

Another tid bit from wikipedia, with some conflicting info...



It says Eternity is DEFINATELY more powerful, and LT MIGHT be more powerful... HUH?


Wikipedia is an okay basic reference.But it's word isn't inherently continuity.

[rodhulk]

Yep because your idiocy need an idiotic response. You were cornered on that. You either had to agree with the possibility of Hulk being unable to lift a Ford Pinto (idiocy) or disagree because he'd done much greater(hypocrisy). You opted for idiocy.



I haven't offered an interpretation as fact so I don't have to dance to your tune.



Probably because he didn't say it anywhere outside of your delusions.



A person using it at 1% of its potential is still beyond the Hulk. Do you know what 1% of infinity is?

If Dormammu wasn't using it at all-- which is the LOGICAL conclusion since Umar said she was draining it from him while he fought Strange-- then there's no point for you to even bring up the Eternity power.edit.

[rodhulk]

Yep because your idiocy need an idiotic response. You were cornered on that. You either had to agree with the possibility of Hulk being unable to lift a Ford Pinto (idiocy) or disagree because he'd done much greater(hypocrisy). You opted for idiocy.



I haven't offered an interpretation as fact so I don't have to dance to your tune.



Probably because he didn't say it anywhere outside of your delusions.



A person using it at 1% of its potential is still beyond the Hulk. Do you know what 1% of infinity is?

If Dormammu wasn't using it at all-- which is the LOGICAL conclusion since Umar said she was draining it from him while he fought Strange-- then there's no point for you to even bring up the Eternity power.edit.

[rodhulk]

Yep because your idiocy need an idiotic response. You were cornered on that. You either had to agree with the possibility of Hulk being unable to lift a Ford Pinto (idiocy) or disagree because he'd done much greater(hypocrisy). You opted for idiocy.



I haven't offered an interpretation as fact so I don't have to dance to your tune.



Probably because he didn't say it anywhere outside of your delusions.



A person using it at 1% of its potential is still beyond the Hulk. Do you know what 1% of infinity is?

If Dormammu wasn't using it at all-- which is the LOGICAL conclusion since Umar said she was draining it from him while he fought Strange-- then there's no point for you to even bring up the Eternity power.LOL You're really off the deep end now, joni!

Hulk has done much greater things than lift a Ford Pinto. How about that mountain lifting thing, regardless of whether he lifted the whole billions of tons or not doesn't matter, he was lifting more than a Ford Pinto (LOL). But it can't be idiocy or hypocrisy because.....

...... I didn't state it as a fact, something you said I did. Where, or are you still gonna try to weasel out of it?

Why don't you want to dance to my tune, is it because you only like to say half-truths when debating with me, afraid to even consider that Hulk may be capable of something meaning I just might be correct.

As for PAD and Galactus, you know very well PAD went to Galactus because that's who can be closest/match/beat Hulk for Hulk's ultimate strength, him and above. Under, nope, else I'm pretty sure PAD would have mentioned them.

Where was it said that Dormammu's power was being drained (Eternity's power, that is) before and during Hulk's thunderclap? Dormammu was showing he had the power or was still receiving it, but had some. It was only after that it was mentioned that Dormammu's power was (now) being drained, not at the time of the thunderclap.

[rodhulk]

I had a much better response written but this will have to do(lost it.) I don't see the question about Galactus or Odin being that relevant in regards to Hulk since I really don't feel Hulk can compete with people like that under anything close to average type circumstances.

Far as the point about the Thor Annual,I was simply saying that the Godblast hasn't been retconned due to that,as far as I know.The link I provided earlier should help clarify.The original circumstances from 161 about it being Thor's power seem supported in Thor 412 & FFTWGCM 11.The quote I mentioned about a Galactus at his peak power vs Odin is not something I take as canon either.

Galactus has done some very impressive things.For that matter,so has Odin.I realize Hulk has as well.Though more along the lines of what would be expected from powerful hero types(Superman,Silver Surfer,Thor,Green Lantern,etc.) Hulk isn't a good matchup for Galactus.

Not even saying you think that.Just trying to present my case clearly.Under any average circunstance, Hulk is out of Odin's and Galactus's league. I only question on what PAD meant. Really, I think Galactus is above the Hulk and may erase Hulk with but a small thought or physical effort. All I believe is Hulk at his ultimate 'might' be interesting, but maybe not. Galactus has some powers that I'm not sure Hulk could deal with.

As for Odin, Hulk at his peak might, just might give him a run, a win, maybe. I would have to really know Hulk's capabilities at his greatest level of power (all powers). That aside, yeah, Hulk would not last long with Odin under normal situations.

Gotcha on the Thor thing.

As for the Stranger, with what I know of him, not much, but some, I would put him up there above Odin but under a full powered Galactus. I know you place the Stranger under Galactus too, but where would you put the Stranger to Odin, who above who?

[Jonathanos]

LOL You're really off the deep end now, joni!

Hulk has done much greater things than lift a Ford Pinto. How about that mountain lifting thing, regardless of whether he lifted the whole billions of tons or not doesn't matter, he was lifting more than a Ford Pinto (LOL). But it can't be idiocy or hypocrisy because.....

...... I didn't state it as a fact, something you said I did. Where, or are you still gonna try to weasel out of it?

You, from the corner you'd backed yourself into, said it was possible that the Hulk couldn't lift a Ford Pinto. That is IDIOCY. <-- Both statements are fact.

Why don't you want to dance to my tune, is it because you only like to say half-truths when debating with me, afraid to even consider that Hulk may be capable of something meaning I just might be correct.

I don't say half-truths.

As for PAD and Galactus, you know very well PAD went to Galactus because that's who can be closest/match/beat Hulk for Hulk's ultimate strength, him and above. Under, nope, else I'm pretty sure PAD would have mentioned them.

I don't know that because he didn't say that.

Where was it said that Dormammu's power was being drained (Eternity's power, that is) before and during Hulk's thunderclap? Dormammu was showing he had the power or was still receiving it, but had some. It was only after that it was mentioned that Dormammu's power was (now) being drained, not at the time of the thunderclap.

Umar: "I can. I did. So focused on the sorcerer, you didn't even realize it was happening. Not only stole Eternity's power... but I pretty much sucked out all of yours, too!"

The drain occurred during the fight with Strange. That's PRIOR to the thunderclap.

[TarzanTommie]

As for the Stranger, with what I know of him, not much, but some, I would put him up there above Odin but under a full powered Galactus. I know you place the Stranger under Galactus too, but where would you put the Stranger to Odin, who above who?

I'd rate Odin above the Stranger personally.

Among Stranger's most high profile fight stuff would be something like his battles vs the Overmind.Who is powerful in his own right.Stranger's also captured & kept superpowered test subjects.He's looked superior to Surfer in their last encounter too.

Odin though has more feats and better ones,in my view.Including:

Defeating Seth in a battle that Destroyed a Galaxy or Galaxies and had apparent consequences Dr.Strange touches upon:

http://img223.echo.cx/img223/4840/odinsethuniverse8gm.th.jpg (http://img223.echo.cx/my.php?image=odinsethuniverse8gm.jpg)

http://img23.echo.cx/img23/2213/odinmostpower0hx.th.jpg (http://img23.echo.cx/my.php?image=odinmostpower0hx.jpg)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6923/odinseth030qo.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=odinseth030qo.jpg)

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8602/odinseth044kb.th.jpg (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=odinseth044kb.jpg)

Defeating Forsung the Enchanter in a galaxy wide battle that created new suns in it's wake.Odin was unhurt,Forsung was killed: (This battle was referred to in pictures in the more current Thor run,to boot.)


http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/5848/thor144137bs.th.jpg (http://img499.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor144137bs.jpg)



The Infinity Arc: There are retcon aspects here,but the arc itself hasn't been straight retconned.Rather that Odin's dark aspect was tapping into the abstract Infinity.Anyway,Odin and dark Odin(tapping into Infinity)fought twice.The first battle was prolonged and very destructive as well.Galaxies fell,etc etc.The second was apparently notably shorter,with Odin overcoming.After the entire thing was concluded,Odin merely waved his sceptre and put right all the damage that the battles had caused.Just a sample scan:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8383/thor185172ya.th.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor185172ya.jpg)

Also,on Odin's resume:

Multiple defeats of Surtur

An easy defeat of a Mangog that was at his Silver Age levels

Reviving Mangog's people.The same people Odin had destroyed.

Turning Apples of Idunn into pure Gold and bestowing upon them,IIRC,at least planetary level reality altering powers

Transporting Asgard from it's time & physical place in the universe

Tricking Yggdrasil into believing Ragnarok had occurred

Defeating Ymir

Koing Ulik when poisoned

Defeating Hela in her realm

Easily defeating & banishing Annihilus when weakened

Koing Drax easily

Koing the Silver Surfer easily

Beating the Destroyer

Killing Hela and then bringing her back to life

Etc,etc.

Some are great feats.Some merely quite good.Odin has low showings too,like almost everyone else.Overall though,his resume is pretty nice,I think.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The only way people like the Silver Surfer, Thor, Superman, etc can defeat the Hulk is to kick his ass before he even gets slightly angry when in Hulk form. If he manages to start getting angry, then Hulk will eventually win through strength and indurance.

[torkibe]

The only way people like the Silver Surfer, Thor, Superman, etc can defeat the Hulk is to kick his ass before he even gets slightly angry when in Hulk form. If he manages to start getting angry, then Hulk will eventually win through strength and indurance.

Uh... This must be one of Devilhulk's fakes! :rolleyes:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No i'm my own man buddy, i just read this thread and though Hulk needed some support, okay? And seen as i live in Liverpool, England and Rodhulk lives in Canada, how can i be a friend of his jackass?

[torkibe]

No i'm my own man buddy, i just read this thread and though Hulk needed some support, okay? And seen as i live in Liverpool, England and Rodhulk lives in Canada, how can i be a friend of his jackass?

It was a joke, dumbass... Because everyone who disagrees with him about the Hulk is a copy of X, dumbass. I'm sorry you got your ePanties in a bunch, dumbass.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Another tid bit from wikipedia, with some conflicting info...



It says Eternity is DEFINATELY more powerful, and LT MIGHT be more powerful... HUH? :confused:

Well I think that is alluding to the fact that (as far as I know I may be wrong) no one is really 100% sure if the LT's powers are one of the following.

1) His Soley, bestowed by the One Above All (God)

2) Partially his and also manipulated/enhanced by God

3) Has no powers at all and just acts as a servant of God.

4) He answered the all important question that the world wanted to know. It takes, 34,652 licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop. :up:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It was a joke, dumbass... Because everyone who disagrees with him about the Hulk is a copy of X, dumbass. I'm sorry you got your ePanties in a bunch, dumbass.

Who the **** arre you talking to tosspot, grow some pubes and then come back to me prick.

[torkibe]

Who the **** arre you talking to tosspot, grow some pubes and then come back to me prick.

Grow some pubes? Is that some brittish slang? I have some american slang for ya; You are a moron. No, that wasn't slang, just a fact.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Grow some pubes? Is that some brittish slang? I have some american slang for ya; You are a moron. No, that wasn't slang, just a fact.

You have no pubes. That is a fact you yankee tosspot, how old are you 10? Really, grow up sunshine.

[torkibe]

You have no pubes. That is a fact you yankee tosspot, how old are you 10? Really, grow up sunshine.

Your posts keep getting more idiotic as we go along. I'm more Yankee than you think... That's really not an insult to someone from New York. Secondly, I'm 31. Moron. You're the one who started this little name calling match, so I just figured I'd oblige you since it entertains me. If you'd like to elevate it to a more "mature" level, I'd be glad to debate you on any topic you'd like. You pick it. Until then I'll stick with my original statement, DUMBASS.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Your posts keep getting more idiotic as we go along. I'm more Yankee than you think... That's really not an insult to someone from New York. Secondly, I'm 31. Moron. You're the one who started this little name calling match, so I just figured I'd oblige you since it entertains me. If you'd like to elevate it to a more "mature" level, I'd be glad to debate you on any topic you'd like. You pick it. Until then I'll stick with my original statement, DUMBASS.

Your 31, ha ha, what months? You ask me to be mature and then call me a dumbass, and actually it was you who started the name calling by calling me a dumbass four times in one post. So get over yourself, i tried to be mature from the start, you didnt. And also, if slanging matches entertain you, who is the idiot? Ask yourself.

[torkibe]

Your 31, ha ha, what months? You ask me to be mature and then call me a dumbass, and actually it was you who started the name calling by calling me a dumbass four times in one post. So get over yourself, i tried to be mature from the start, you didnt. And also, if slanging matches entertain you, who is the idiot? Ask yourself.

No i'm my own man buddy, i just read this thread and though Hulk needed some support, okay? And seen as i live in Liverpool, England and Rodhulk lives in Canada, how can i be a friend of his jackass?

That little tirade came before I called you dumbass, which is why I called you dumbass in the first place, dumbass. Not only did you call me a jackass, you got the person wrong that I was joking that you were a fake of. So please, continue posting and furthering the evidence that you are indeed a dumbass.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That little tirade came before I called you dumbass, which is why I called you dumbass in the first place, dumbass. Not only did you call me a jackass, you got the person wrong that I was joking that you were a fake of. So please, continue posting and furthering the evidence that you are indeed a dumbass.

You intelligence is just beyond me, when i was 2. Get a grip fella, were i am from being called a jackass is not taken personally. If you took it personally, thats your problem, take it to church. Oh and i didnt get the person wrong, you said Rodhulk, which is who i was referring to.

[torkibe]

You intelligence is just beyond me, when i was 2. Get a grip fella, were i am from being called a jackass is not taken personally. If you took it personally, thats your problem, take it to church. Oh and i didnt get the person wrong, you said Rodhulk, which is who i was referring to.

You cannot honestly be this dumb. "You intelligence"? Did you mean your? "Were" you are from? Did you mean where?

Uh... This must be one of Devilhulk's fakes! :rolleyes:

I said Rodhulk, huh? I guess Vbulletin strikes again because that sure looks like it says Devilhulk to me. Please, I'm begging you, just stop now. Every post you make you are just proving yourself dumber and dumber. At the very least have one of your more intelligent friends proof read your posts for you. Maybe then you won't look like such a dumbass, dumbass.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i'm no dumbass fella, i've got a good job and i am in University also, i dont tne d to have much time to post on these boards as i am either in work or university, so i tent to type fast and not look over my posts as i dont have the time. You'll realise that when you grow up yourself, until then, dont bother talking to me.

[ssj wolverine]

Honestly The Hulk shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Galactus because basically he is freakin' GALACTUS!!!!! Even on his death bed he would beat Hulk's ass to a pulp without blinking. Galactus would probably laugh in his face if Galactus was capable of laughing.

[Jplaya2023]

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL524/1783866/3898620/129292079.jpg

again proof that Silver Surfer is really overrated by fanboys

Wolverine's claws can cut him easy.

Fantastic,really fantastic.

I can see fanboys crying again....:up:

I TOLD YOU i told you!!!! Anyone who would listen that SS is overrated. People kept coppin pleas talking about this mythical power cosmic he possesses. I've always said that "Without the surfboard, SS is a generic iceman."

Now the proof is there and people are crying.

[KingOfDreams]

Dude, I believe that page is from something that's out of continuity so it doesn't matter. And generic iceman? What the hell? The Surfer is way more powerful than iceman. Can Iceman breathe in space? Can Iceman heal with his powers? Can Iceman travel at the speed of light? Can Iceman jumpstart evolution on a dying world? I have nothing against Iceman but to put him in the same league as the Surfer is just ridiculous. They kind of look similar but that's it.

[Jplaya2023]

Dude, I believe that page is from something that's out of continuity so it doesn't matter. And generic iceman? What the hell? The Surfer is way more powerful than iceman. Can Iceman breathe in space? Can Iceman heal with his powers? Can Iceman travel at the speed of light? Can Iceman jumpstart evolution on a dying world? I have nothing against Iceman but to put him in the same league as the Surfer is just ridiculous. They kind of look similar but that's it.

Can SS submerged cities in glaciers???

Can SS manipulate Ice into millions of different types of battle weapons

Can SS survive the extreme cold without being affected.

Can SS freeze ther moisture in someone's lungs killing them in nano seconds

[Guyverjay]

Can SS submerged cities in glaciers???

YES

Can SS manipulate Ice into millions of different types of battle weapons

YES

Can SS survive the extreme cold without being affected.

LOL er Vacuum of space anyone? = YES

Can SS freeze ther moisture in someone's lungs killing them in nano seconds

YES


Any more questions?

[Jplaya2023]

YES


Any more questions?

I read his BIO i dont see anything about him being able to manipulate ice, but if he can do it now so be it. I concede

Can SS generate enough coldness, & ice storms to destroy an entire galaxy like iceman possibly could do

[Guyverjay]

I read his BIO i dont see anything about him being able to manipulate ice, but if he can do it now so be it. I concede

Can SS generate enough coldness, & ice storms to destroy an entire galaxy like iceman possibly could do


LOL Ice storm that can destroy a Galaxy? What the hell are you smoking?:D

[Jplaya2023]

LOL Ice storm that can destroy a Galaxy? What the hell are you smoking?:D

Iceman potentially has the power to create such a storm, like those storms found in certain parts of the planet jupiter. Iceman could problably do the same.

[Guyverjay]

You said destroy a GALAXY :D

Surfer can manipulate Matter and energy, he could turn Iceman into Ice cream if he wanted

[Jplaya2023]

You said destroy a GALAXY :D

Surfer can manipulate Matter and energy, he could turn Iceman into Ice cream if he wanted


Oh **** i meant a planet, not a galaxy thats some DBZ type stuff. My bad

Iceman would freeze the moisture in SS lungs killing him in nano seconds.

[X]

Oh **** i meant a planet, not a galaxy thats some DBZ type stuff. My bad

Iceman would freeze the moisture in SS lungs killing him in nano seconds.

SS doesn't have to breath for one, nor does his body operate anywhere like ours.

You lose.

[Guyverjay]

Surfer doesn't breathe, he can survive the vacuum of space. He can fight inside black holes and the cores of stars. There is NOTHING Ice man can do to harm the surfer. He's immune to cold

[KingOfDreams]

SS doesn't have to breath for one, nor does his body operate anywhere like ours.

You lose.

Yep. Pwned.

[Jplaya2023]

R.I.P. Iceman :(

[torkibe]

i'm no dumbass fella, i've got a good job and i am in University also, i dont tne d to have much time to post on these boards as i am either in work or university, so i tent to type fast and not look over my posts as i dont have the time. You'll realise that when you grow up yourself, until then, dont bother talking to me.

No matter how many times I've proven you wrong, you continue to come back with non-sense answers. Please... Just go away. I work full time, have graduated college, and have chosen to go BACK to school again because I'm unhappy with my current career. I'm not sure where you've gotten this misconception that I'm young, but it's getting ridiculous now. You are truly the dumbest person I have ever had the displeasure of speaking to on the internet.