The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[enterthemadness]

:o I'm an idiot. I was thinking of Trap bar deadlifts. I did that once...sucked. The regular deadlift...just seems like nothing. Seems so easy. What are they suppose to do? I can't tell by the pics, because it seems like nothing.

[Colossal Spoons]

I feel it most in my lower back but it's also a pretty good leg exercise. Maybe you should up your weight then.

[enterthemadness]

I haven't done them, but they look E-A-S-Y in pics I've seen. I don't even like being at the rec center. I like to work out...but don't want to be there all the time. I probably add it into my workout one of these days through.

[Iceman]

:o I'm an idiot. I was thinking of Trap bar deadlifts. I did that once...sucked. The regular deadlift...just seems like nothing. Seems so easy. What are they suppose to do? I can't tell by the pics, because it seems like nothing.Deadlifts are not easy. After squats I'd say they're the most difficult. Once you have your technique correct (maybe get an instructor or gym regular to check for you) keep adding weight till you can just about manage to do the number of reps you choose (I'd somewhere recommend between 6-10).

[Ghostrider84]

I masturbated eight times in 2 hours while watching fastforwarding porn... good cardio workout

[Iceman]

^Seconded. I'm new to deadlifts(only been doin them for about 6 months) and I'm really noticing changes. :up:I ignored them for a long time. Never again :csad:

I haven't done them, but they look E-A-S-Y in pics I've seen. I don't even like being at the rec center. I like to work out...but don't want to be there all the time. I probably add it into my workout one of these days through.Seriously, how can you judge from a pic :whatever:

Just try it. These things don't have to add any time to your workouts as you can just get rid of other less effective exercises.

[enterthemadness]

I masturbated eight times in 2 hours while watching fastforwarding porn... good cardio workout

Bad for your wrist and you must have the energy to do it that many times.

[Iceman]

I masturbated eight times in 2 hours while watching fastforwarding porn... good cardio workoutAs long as you used both hands equally.

[raybia]

I masturbated eight times in 2 hours while watching fastforwarding porn... good cardio workout



You won't be watching much longer. You'll go blind you know.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

So how is everyone's progress coming along?

[Iceman]

I can't walk after my leg workout a couple of days ago :(

[Abaddon]

what's a good protein formula?

[Iceman]

As in a good protein supplement?

[Abaddon]

I mean one of those powders to bulk up, like Muscletech and crap.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I mean one of those powders to bulk up, like Muscletech and crap.

Someone reccommended a really good vitamin supplement a few pages back, I use their protien powder already. Can't remember the name.

[Iceman]

Check this post for some great advice on supplements:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10765632&postcount=2257


I haven't used the same stuff more than twice in a row and I wouldn't recommend one above the other. I'm going to try Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Gold next (as recommended by Jag).

[Abaddon]

cool, I'm half asleep so I'll look at it tomorrow.:up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Check this post for some great advice on supplements:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10765632&postcount=2257


I haven't used the same stuff more than twice in a row and I wouldn't recommend one above the other. I'm going to try Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Gold next (as recommended by Jag).

ON is the greatest. I never plan on switching to another brand. :up:

[enterthemadness]

So how is everyone's progress coming along?

Okay.

After the holiday, I try to go up on the chest machine. (Currently doing 150lbs with 10lbs difference. Will try for 170 with 10lbs difference.) Go up on the leg press, curl bar, and bike with weights against your legs.

[Halcohol]

http://www.bodybreak.com/images/ts_index_r1_c1.jpg

Keep fit and have fun.

[Lunar_Wolf]

This is the start of my second week of training. I'm eating good foods, keeping of the junk. Not as hard as I thought, BUT I have many months to go!!!!

[Super Kal]

do appetite suppressants work at all?

[Superman79]

ON is the greatest. I never plan on switching to another brand. :up:

It IS great stuff. I also recommend Isopure...it tastes fantastic and doesn't leave you bloaty feeling like some proteins do...only problem is it costs a wee bit more...:csad:

[enterthemadness]

It IS great stuff. I also recommend Isopure...it tastes fantastic and doesn't leave you bloaty feeling like some proteins do...only problem is it costs a wee bit more...:csad:

:o become a superhero and charge people after you saved them. That's what I would do...if I had powers...or become a super villain.

[Colossal Spoons]

It IS great stuff. I also recommend Isopure...it tastes fantastic and doesn't leave you bloaty feeling like some proteins do...only problem is it costs a wee bit more...:csad:

Isopure is indeed great. Almost 50g of protein in a great tasting "juice" type drink. I just don't have the kind of cash to keep buying them every week and a half.

[jaguarr]

I finally got my WMS yesterday and tried it after my workout last night. It was really good and it did give me a nice pump.

How often should I use this?

I use it immediately following a workout with some BCAA's in it. You can also use it first thing in the morning if you're depleted and want to get some nutrients like BCAA's and such into your system IMMEDIATELY! Remember, the purpose of WMS is to pull nutrients, water and proteins past your stomach quickly and into the rest of your system. It's a very fast acting simple carb that pulls through the gastric tract incredibly fast, taking whatever it's carrying with it. So your usage should be for that reason; when your body and muscles need to be fed as fast as possible and you're on an empty stomach.

jag

[jaguarr]

Isopure is awesome stuff but wasn't worth all the additional cost to me in comparison with how complete ON is (it contains a good share of whey isolates itself, anyway).

jag

[Abaddon]

alright so I'm try out this muscletech stuff. What kind of workout regiment would a hard-gainer benefit the most from? I don't think I have time to join a gym so just give me the simpler stuff.:o

[jaguarr]

Muscletech is overrated and overpriced. :down

For a hard gainer; eat, eat, and eat some more. And make it good, whole foods not a bunch of garbage. Keep your workouts hard and heavy. Three sets of six reps as heavy as you can go without sacrificing good form on each exercise. You should be right to the point of almost failing completely by the end of the last set. Keep your workouts under 60 minutes as the body turns catabolic after 60 minutes of exercise. Hit it hard and get out. You grow while you're resting and feeding after a heavy workout, not from working out more.

jag

[Abaddon]

ah, gotcha.:up: I remember I tried gaining weight before by eating lots of junk food, but it didn't make much of a difference.

[enterthemadness]

ah, gotcha.:up: I remember I tried gaining weight before by eating lots of junk food, but it didn't make much of a difference.


I did that for halloween to get bigger....went to my stomach.

[Colossal Spoons]

I slept on my shoulder improperly last night and it is in all kinds of pain...should be an interesting back workout tonight.

[enterthemadness]

:o you can always buy some painkillers. or ice it to hell.

[Fran]

Okay, I've got kind of a gut, and am a little big. I'd like to know what you guys think I should do, workout wise. I was considering more weight-lifting, and running on the treadmill. Anything else? Even diet suggestions would help.

[enterthemadness]

Okay, I've got kind of a gut, and am a little big. I'd like to know what you guys think I should do, workout wise. I was considering more weight-lifting, and running on the treadmill. Anything else? Even diet suggestions would help.

Situps will work out that stomach. Change your diet a little won't hurt.

[Fran]

What should I do for a new diet?

[Asteroid-Man]

eat fruits and veggies only

[enterthemadness]

Well...Jag will say different.

But personally, I don't see too much wrong about HFCS in food. Foods with it and processed foods aren't completely bad for you, as they have minerals, protein, and vitamins. The only thing is...HFCS is linked to diabietes(sp?). You might have to work out more and harder to get in shape while eating foods with HFCS. Also...what it does to the inside of my body...I don't know. I know sodas (at least coke) can clean the rust off a penny. :o and then I still drink it, but am limiting that to special occasions or certain things.

About 90% of all foods in America to buy has HFCS in it.

[Colossal Spoons]

Situps will work out that stomach. Change your diet a little won't hurt.

Your advice is backwards. His diet needs to change before the sit-ups :up:

eat fruits and veggies only

Who told yo that?

[Ken Kutagari]

http://www.thailabonline.com/diseasegeneral1/bulimia.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

Well...Jag will say different.

But personally, I don't see too much wrong about HFCS in food. Foods with it and processed foods aren't completely bad for you, as they have minerals, protein, and vitamins. The only thing is...HFCS is linked to diabietes(sp?). You might have to work out more and harder to get in shape while eating foods with HFCS. Also...what it does to the inside of my body...I don't know. I know sodas (at least coke) can clean the rust off a penny. :o and then I still drink it, but am limiting that to special occasions or certain things.

About 90% of all foods in America to buy has HFCS in it.

You talkin crazy! Your body sees HFCS and turns it into fat almost immediately. It's quite possibly the worst thing you can eat. :csad: Yeah processed foods have vitamins and other things but you can't beat cooking your own food.

90% of America is fat or obese too ;) Not actually 90%, I was just making a point.

[enterthemadness]

Your advice is backwards. His diet needs to change before the sit-ups :up:


Not if I do TONS of them...but I don't.

Looking at my stomach...I need to do one or two things.

1. Do better situps (fact)

2. Eat better (fact, but meh.) I know years from now....yeah...but I'm still 19 and not 23.

[Iceman]

Okay, I've got kind of a gut, and am a little big. I'd like to know what you guys think I should do, workout wise. I was considering more weight-lifting, and running on the treadmill. Anything else? Even diet suggestions would help.Very general diet advice:

1.Make meals smaller but more frequent if possible.
2.Get some form of protein with every meal.
3.Try to eat cooked food rather than processed food wherever possible.
4.Think about multivitaimin/fish oil supplements if you don't get enough of either in your diet.

Keep an eye on the overall levels of junk food you eat but as long as your regular diet is healthy having unhealthy snacks every now and then doesn't really matter.


Also you'd be better off incorporating both weight training and cardiovascular exercise into you program. To lose the gut (slowly) you simply need to burn some (or a few more) calories on a regular basis and improve your diet as above. You can try running on the treadmill or you can use elliptical cross trainers (best for burning the calories) or rowing machines, stepping machines, bikes etc. Have you done any weight training before?

[Colossal Spoons]

Not if I do TONS of them...but I don't.

Looking at my stomach...I need to do one or two things.

1. Do better situps (fact)

2. Eat better (fact, but meh.) I know years from now....yeah...but I'm still 19 and not 23.

Your "I have time to eat better later" attitude is going to keep you from achieving the stomach you desire(fact)

You can keep doing all the sit-ups you'd like....in vain.

[Fran]

I weight lift a lot, but the diet is my problem.

[enterthemadness]

You talkin crazy! Your body sees HFCS and turns it into fat almost immediately. It's quite possibly the worst thing you can eat. :csad: Yeah processed foods have vitamins and other things but you can't beat cooking your own food.

90% of America is fat or obese too ;) Not actually 90%, I was just making a point.

Yes, I know, but it tastes ''great''.

I don't like to cook...I cook my own breakfast yes, but not a big fan of it. On a related note...drinking raw eggs. Sniff the eggs to make sure they = ok. Then drink? Nothing wrong with that, right? Not that I've done that yet.

[Iceman]

I weight lift a lot, but the diet is my problem.What kind of things do you normally eat at the moment?

[Colossal Spoons]

Yes, I know, but it tastes ''great''.

I don't like to cook...I cook my own breakfast yes, but not a big fan of it. On a related note...drinking raw eggs. Sniff the eggs to make sure they = ok. Then drink? Nothing wrong with that, right? Not that I've done that yet.

You would do well to head over to the bodybuilding.com forums. I know they taste great but you gotta to do what you gotta do. Drinking raw eggs = stupid. Salmonella doesn't make anybody more fit. It's more of a motivation thing, not practical though.

ETM, correct me if I'm wrong. From talking to you over the last few months, would you agree that dedication/commitment is your biggest problem? Specifically in regards to your diet.

[Fran]

What kind of things do you normally eat at the moment?

I eat some fruit, some salad, but mostly meat, etc.

[enterthemadness]

Your "I have time to eat better later" attitude is going to keep you from achieving the stomach you desire(fact)

You can keep doing all the sit-ups you'd like....in vain.

Well, if I am going to live a long time and look young...I have to select a time frame to when I can do that. I know in my 20's I have to start using skin care products on my face. I know when I move out I'll be too cheap to buy tons of fast food (and having a speech problem makes that easy). Hell, I have zero desire to buy a bed and furniture when I move out into a place. I'll probably takes the bed I have here...but rather not waste money on nice looking furniture. :o lawn chairs and bean bags for me. Enough of a silly rant...

I'm trying to eat better as of now...rather not go full 100% until a few years from now. Ease into it. Instead of having oatmeal, OJ, and yogurt for breakfast early morning...I should have had two bowls of oatmeal and OJ. :o and not have eaten the bacon, eggs, and pancakes my mom made for lunch. ( Looked nice...but the oatmeal and OJ felt better.)

[Iceman]

I eat some fruit, some salad, but mostly meat, etc.Not too much wrong with that in itself. I eat a lot of fish as well as a protein source. What's the reason you think your diet is poor at the moment? Do you eat much junk food or are you worried that you eat too many calories altogether?

[Fran]

The latter question, I/P.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, if I am going to live a long time and look young...I have to select a time frame to when I can do that. I know in my 20's I have to start using skin care products on my face. I know when I move out I'll be too cheap to buy tons of fast food (and having a speech problem makes that easy). Hell, I have zero desire to buy a bed and furniture when I move out into a place. I'll probably takes the bed I have here...but rather not waste money on nice looking furniture. :o lawn chairs and bean bags for me. Enough of a silly rant...

I'm trying to eat better as of now...rather not go full 100% until a few years from now. Ease into it. Instead of having oatmeal, OJ, and yogurt for breakfast early morning...I should have had two bowls of oatmeal and OJ. :o and not have eaten the bacon, eggs, and pancakes my mom made for lunch. ( Looked nice...but the oatmeal and OJ felt better.)

1. Yogurt's ok to eat :up:

2. I wish I had started eating healthily in high school. I'm only 21 and I can say that. Jag wishes he'd started many years earlier than he did. Now that you have the information available to you; for you to choose to not eat 100% clean shows a lack of dedication.

Let me ask you a question: why do you work out?

[enterthemadness]

You would do well to head over to the bodybuilding.com forums. I know they taste great but you gotta to do what you gotta do. Drinking raw eggs = stupid. Salmonella doesn't make anybody more fit. It's more of a motivation thing, not practical though.

ETM, correct me if I'm wrong. From talking to you over the last few months, would you agree that dedication/commitment is your biggest problem? Specifically in regards to your diet.

1. :huh: why does Stallone drink Raw Eggs in Rocky?

2. Yes. The only thing I haven't quit...is screenwriting, as I like it so much.

[jaguarr]

HFCS is evil. Eat it all you want. I don't care if you die fat and young.

jag

[Iceman]

The latter question, I/P.It takes a bit of discipline to try and keep your overall totals in line but it's necessary if you want to see a long term difference. Eating relatively large breakfasts helps me control my hunger throughout the day. I eat even sized (5 small to medium) meals over a day and not too much else in between aside from fruit and occasional snacks.

Diet is crucially important but also focus on the burning side. Try out the elliptical trainer at your gym. If you like it you'll be able to burn calories very quickly on it. If you're not doing any cardio at the moment try and do at least 3 x 30 minutes a week and build from there.

[Colossal Spoons]

1. :huh: why does Stallone drink Raw Eggs in Rocky?

2. Yes. The only thing I haven't quit...is screenwriting, as I like it so much.

1. I told you already, it's more of a motivation thing. To pump/psyche yourself up. Sure, it has protein in it but he could just as easily cooked the egg ya know?

2. Right, well as long you acknowledge it.

[Iceman]

HFCS is evil. Eat it all you want. I don't care if you die fat and young.

jag:woot: The Jag is ruthless when HFCS is mentioned.

[Colossal Spoons]

HFCS is evil. Eat it all you want. I don't care if you die fat and young.

jag

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup

Things caused by HFCS:
9/11
Slavery
The Holocaust
The Bush Administration
Obesity

[Fran]

It takes a bit of discipline to try and keep your overall totals in line but it's necessary if you want to see a long term difference. Eating relatively large breakfasts helps me control my hunger throughout the day. I eat even sized (5 small to medium) meals over a day and not too much else in between aside from fruit and occasional snacks.

Diet is crucially important but also focus on the burning side. Try out the elliptical trainer at your gym. If you like it you'll be able to burn calories very quickly on it. If you're not doing any cardio at the moment try and do at least 3 x 30 minutes a week and build from there.

Alrighty then, sounds like good stuff.

[Fran]

jag, could you chime in here with my working out/diet solutions?

[enterthemadness]

1. Yogurt's ok to eat :up:

2. I wish I had started eating healthily in high school. I'm only 21 and I can say that. Jag wishes he'd started many years earlier than he did. Now that you have the information available to you; for you to choose to not eat 100% clean shows a lack of dedication.

Let me ask you a question: why do you work out?

Well, at first I wanted to get bigger for halloween. Now...I like it. I work out because I want to get in shape and live longer, but my eating habits say otherwise. I like seeing some muscle on me. Too bad hair and ance is on the muscle as well. (I must be related to bigfoot somehow...c'mon...hair on your arms? :csad:)

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, at first I wanted to get bigger for halloween. Now...I like it. I work out because I want to get in shape and live longer, but my eating habits say otherwise. I like seeing some muscle on me. Too bad hair and ance is on the muscle as well. (I must be related to bigfoot somehow...c'mon...hair on your arms? :csad:)

Good, you at least see how counter productive all this is. You like working out but your eating habits are working against you. It's like driving up a hill with the e-brake on.

[Iceman]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup

Things caused by HFCS:
9/11
Slavery
The Holocaust
The Bush Administration
ObesityAlso piles, spots, obesity, trade embargoes, the wrath of Jag and slavery. :csad:

Alrighty then, sounds like good stuff.Good luck :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Also piles, spots, obesity, trade embargoes, the wrath of Jag and slavery. :csad:


Yet ETM still needs more reasons to stay away from the stuff :huh:

[enterthemadness]

HFCS is evil. Eat it all you want. I don't care if you die fat and young.

jag

:o at least I'd have almost no wrinkles on me and won't have other problems that really old people do.

[Colossal Spoons]

Huh?

[enterthemadness]

Yet ETM still needs more reasons to stay away from the stuff :huh:


I'm one arrogrant crazed mofo. :o

Joke on the crazed and mofo part

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm one arrogrant crazed mofo. :o

Joke on the crazed and mofo part

and you'll continue to see minimal progress :csad:

[enterthemadness]

and you'll continue to see minimal progress :csad:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7539/aeneasarchiedo8.jpg

[Fran]

Don't you dare bring the Rams into a fitness thread.

[Colossal Spoons]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/msokolik/poland.jpg

The best there is !

[echostation]

is it ok to eat cooked corned beef from a can in spaghetti sauce with pasta as a good protein and carb source?

[enterthemadness]

Now he's in some nice shape, but I never really want to get that big. Unless I was in a action movie or something.

[Colossal Spoons]

Now he's in some nice shape, but I never really want to get that big. Unless I was in a action movie or something.

He's won like 3/4 of the last strongman competitions. The man could benchpress 353 lbs at the age of 16 :up:

[enterthemadness]

He's won like 3/4 of the last strongman competitions. The man could benchpress 353 lbs at the age of 16 :up:

:o I'm sure people were chanting juice!, juice! at the time.

[Batty for Bats!]

Heh. Right now I'm eating healthy as horse. Doing about 100 pushups a day, 100 military presses, and that thing where you do the right knew left elbow (reverse, continue)..

But I also love smoking.. I could prolly go without all the drinking, but I can't give up my cancer sticks. :( I run a mile in 9 minutes flat usually..

[Lunar_Wolf]

I don't drink or smoke. Nice glass of vit juice!:yay:

[AndThePickles]

Heh. Right now I'm eating healthy as horse. Doing about 100 pushups a day, 100 military presses, and that thing where you do the right knew left elbow (reverse, continue)..

But I also love smoking.. I could prolly go without all the drinking, but I can't give up my cancer sticks. :( I run a mile in 9 minutes flat usually..

Then exercise and eating healthy can only do so much for you :csad:

[Crooklyn]

Lol, reminds me of this one time that my friend worked out rigorously the whole day...then went to my kitchen and ate 3/4 of the brownies I made while I was napping. :confused: :mad:

[enterthemadness]

Lol, reminds me of this one time that my friend worked out rigorously the whole day...then went to my kitchen and ate 3/4 of the brownies I made while I was napping. :confused: :mad:

Hey, at least he worked out for them. Could have just eaten them without working out.

[AndThePickles]

Hey, at least he worked out for them. Could have just eaten them without working out.

But eating all of them defeats the purpose of working out.

[enterthemadness]

But eating all of them defeats the purpose of working out.

Yes, but by working out he didn't gain no weight by eating them. If he didn't work out and still ate them, he would have gain weight. By working out and eating those tasty bas--brownies, he only gained back the weight he lost by working out.

:huh: also, if you work out for a few hours and ate a few pizzas afterwards...is that good?

[AndThePickles]

Yes, but by working out he didn't gain no weight by eating them. If he didn't work out and still ate them, he would have gain weight. By working out and eating those tasty bas--brownies, he only gained back the weight he lost by working out.

:huh: also, if you work out for a few hours and ate a few pizzas afterwards...is that good?


Due to your double negative you are correct: He probably would gain weight from them. It takes a LOT of working out to lose the fat and calories gained by eating fattening foods such as brownies. Not to mention all that sugar! If that person always had such eating habits he would not see results from his work-outs.

And NO, do not eat a few pizzas afterwards! Your body needs the proper fuel to build muscle after working out. Fatty foods will only turn into fat.

[Fran]

Damnit, jag! I want to hear his advice!

[AndThePickles]

Damnit, jag! I want to hear his advice!

I already know what he's gonna say: Stop eating fatty food! lol. He's said it a hundred times already. Jag probably has the strictest diet out of anyone here.

[Fran]

I'm sure he'll give some sound advice though. That's what Spoons said to me on AIM (yeah, he talks to me there).

jag

[enterthemadness]

Here's a good short video of MJW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkYZmPG4es4

[AndThePickles]

Awesome, you can always learn way more about people outside of this forum. And yes, jag always gives good advice, be it on fitness, relationships, whatever. Wise man.

[jaguarr]

Dear Lucas,
Stop eating fatty food.

You're Welcome,
jag

[enterthemadness]

In the video I posted...MJW ate 3 or 4 pizzas at rep time. Of course, he work out 3 or 4 hours a day while shooting Universal Soldier: The Return.

[Fran]

Dear Lucas,
Stop eating fatty food.

You're Welcome,
jag

Come on jag. Got any advice about certain weight training/cardio, etc.?

[Badger]

Come on jag. Got any advice about certain weight training/cardio, etc.?

yes and yes

[Colossal Spoons]

Yes, but by working out he didn't gain no weight by eating them. If he didn't work out and still ate them, he would have gain weight. By working out and eating those tasty bas--brownies, he only gained back the weight he lost by working out.

:huh: also, if you work out for a few hours and ate a few pizzas afterwards...is that good?

Where do you get your faulty info from? And no, that pizza idea is NOT GOOD.

I'm sure he'll give some sound advice though. That's what Spoons said to me on AIM (yeah, he talks to me there).

jag

I talk to you in your head :ninja:

Dear Lucas,
Stop eating fatty food.

You're Welcome,
jag

Where do you come up with this stuff? Is there a book I can read? :o

[jaguarr]

Come on jag. Got any advice about certain weight training/cardio, etc.?

Yes. Lift weights. Do your cardio. Eat healthy. :up:

Seriously, I've laid this all out several times in this thread. So has Shadowboxing and several others. If any of you are really, really, really serious about getting out of the lardbutt business then you owe it to yourself to go back and read this thread from start to finish. There's enough information in here to equip anyone with all the knowledge they need to completely transform themselves. I don't like rehashing things I've already covered any more than anyone else, and we've done it quite a bit in this thread. The information is there; it's up to those who want it to go read it at this point.

jag

[Badger]

Well there you have it, jag has spoken and so shall it be.

[Fran]

Yes. Lift weights. Do your cardio. Eat healthy. :up:

Seriously, I've laid this all out several times in this thread. So has Shadowboxing and several others. If any of you are really, really, really serious about getting out of the lardbutt business then you owe it to yourself to go back and read this thread from start to finish. There's enough information in here to equip anyone with all the knowledge they need to completely transform themselves. I don't like rehashing things I've already covered any more than anyone else, and we've done it quite a bit in this thread. The information is there; it's up to those who want it to go read it at this point.

jag

Thanks dude. I'm going to start tomorrow. Now, back to "24" :up:

[enterthemadness]

Where do you get your faulty info from? And no, that pizza idea is NOT GOOD.

Did..did you even watch the video I posted? :huh:

[jaguarr]

Did..did you even watch the video I posted? :huh:

Yes, yes. Eating lots of HFCS and gobbling up pizzas will make you look like Michael Jai White. :whatever:

jag

[AndThePickles]

Yes, yes. Eating lots of HFCS and gobbling up pizzas will make you look like Michael Jai White. :whatever:

jag

He's obviously dead-set on eating crap. His decision, but if he's going to eat junk I hope he stops coming in here asking for advice and wondering why he hasn't seen results.

[Colossal Spoons]

Did..did you even watch the video I posted? :huh:

MJW didn't say anything about piggin out after your workout.

[Batty for Bats!]

Gotta have fat to build muscle [/stubbornness]

[Colossal Spoons]

^You mocking ETM or is that your opinion? lol

[jaguarr]

Look, let me save all of you people who are looking for magic shortcuts to getting ripped some time; THERE ARE NONE! You want it? You've got to work for it. Period. If it was easy, everyone would do it. Now, go be a fatty or a skinny runt or apply yourself and transform yourself to who and what you want to be. It's really up to you. But for the love of all that's holy quit trying to justify your sloth and gluttony in this thread and quit asking the same damn crap over and over again as if it will somehow change the answer to something that doesn't mean hard work, dedication, commitment and some changes in how you eat and how you live your life. There are no shortcuts.

jag

[Fran]

I didn't mean to get you mad; I was just asking for tips/advice :csad:

[Batty for Bats!]

Here's a good short video of MJW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkYZmPG4es4He's a great person, but an awful actor. :(

[jaguarr]

I didn't mean to get you mad; I was just asking for tips/advice :csad:


No one made me mad, least of all you. ETM's insistence that pizza, HFCS and being a lazy jackass will get him ripped are pretty damn irritating, though.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Pretty much

[Fran]

Okay, good :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Look, let me save all of you people who are looking for magic shortcuts to getting ripped some time; THERE ARE NONE! You want it? You've got to work for it. Period. If it was easy, everyone would do it. Now, go be a fatty or a skinny runt or apply yourself and transform yourself to who and what you want to be. It's really up to you. But for the love of all that's holy quit trying to justify your sloth and gluttony in this thread and quit asking the same damn crap over and over again as if it will somehow change the answer to something that doesn't mean hard work, dedication, commitment and some changes in how you eat and how you live your life. There are no shortcuts.

jag

Agreed, there is already so much useful information in this thread that I get tired of posting in it.

[Eros]

What is the best way to do pushups at home?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

What is the best way to do pushups at home?

Please tell me you are screwing with me because of my post.

[Eros]

Please tell me you are screwing with me because of my post.

i just got to this thread.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Oh, well let's start simple, where would you say your fitness level is at?

Do you currently exercise at all?

How old are you? Height, weight?

[Eros]

Oh, well let's start simple, where would you say your fitness level is at?

Do you currently exercise at all?

How old are you? Height, weight?


I was football player, so im already in good shape. I just can't afford to go to the gym for another couple of months. Im 6 feet tall, and 185 pounds as well.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I was football player, so im already in good shape. I just can't afford to go to the gym for another couple of months. Im 6 feet tall, and 185 pounds as well.


Okay, well what are you looking for strength? Size? Definition?

Do you know what plyo/aka military push ups are?

If you have a swiss/balance ball doing push ups with your feet on them or doing push ups with your hands on them and feet on the ground are great. The later is much more difficult.

Do 3-6 sets or 6-12 reps. Depending on what you want and the difficulty of the push ups you are doing.

[Eros]

Okay, well what are you looking for strength? Size? Definition?

Do you know what plyo/aka military push ups are?

If you have a swiss/balance ball doing push ups with your feet on them or doing push ups with your hands on them and feet on the ground are great. The later is much more difficult.

Do 3-6 sets or 6-12 reps. Depending on what you want and the difficulty of the push ups you are doing.


Looking to build strength mostly. So you suggest i do 3-6 sets of Military pushups?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Looking to build strength mostly. So you suggest i do 3-6 sets of Military pushups?


Well Military push ups will definately help, but so will doing push ups off of a swiss/balance ball.

Try this

For four weeks every other day do normal push ups. Focusing on going slow on the way down. This is called a negative rep, try to take three to six seconds lowering your body, then push straight up to the top.

Make sure you keep your abdominals tight and your back and neck straight and aligned. Proper form/technique is much more important than how heavy you go or how many you do.

Do 5 sets of 8, typically you want to shoot for 30-40 reps, depending on the exercises you are doing, but this varies and is not a hard and fast rule.

Do those for four weeks so that way your body has time to adjust to the new stress you are putting on your joints, tendons and muscles.

After those four weeks I would say move to doing push ups with your feet on a swiss/balance ball. Or if you don't have one or can't find one (they shouldn't cost more than $15 at the most) just elevate your feet onto something higher, like a chair or up a few stairs, something so your feet are elevated above ground level, but not to high, just a foot or two.

Start with 3 sets of those by 6 reps. See how that feels, then add more reps 8 or 10 or another set or two, 4 or 5 sets.

Do those for four weeks, then move on to military push ups, same thing, do 3 set by 6 reps, then move up or down accordingly to how you feel.

After that I would reccommend getting a swiss/balance ball. And doing push ups with your hands on the swiss ball and feet on the ground, with your body straight and aligned.

Same thing again, 3 sets by 6 reps and move up or down.

If at any time you feel strained or something feels wrong stop what you are doing and give yourself at leat two days rest before re attempting anything. Also if something feels to difficult, lessen the reps and even sets if need be. Also try an easier version if they are too difficult.

These are just guidelines, you do not have to follow them to a T, maybe it will only take you two weeks to move from one version to another, maybe it will take eight before you feel you are ready to move on.

Any other questions feel free to ask myself, colossol, jag or boyscout. There are a few others here that really know their stuff more than I do. Also if you can just read through these pages, there is A LOT, and I mean A LOT, of helpful info here.

I know it sucks reading through 100+ pages of posts here, but this is one Thread that I HIGHLY RECCOMMEND, doing so with.

[Colossal Spoons]

Just got back from a kickass cardio session. 45 mins on the elliptical, 500 calories burned, 3 miles strided. :D

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Just got back from a kickass cardio session. 45 mins on the elliptical, 500 calories burned, 3 miles strided. :D

Nice, but I doubt you burned 500 claories, those things are way off.

[Colossal Spoons]

Thanks, I'll be jumping off a building now lol. Yeah, I really care more about the time I put in, I'm not big on calorie counting.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Thanks, I'll be jumping off a building now lol. Yeah, I really care more about the time I put in, I'm not big on calorie counting.


Good call :up: Jumping off buildings has to burn some serious calories though. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

As much as you'd probably sweat on the way down :p



Is anybody here bulking or cutting out of curiosity? Or are we all just kinda doin our own thing?

[AndThePickles]

Just got back from a kickass cardio session. 45 mins on the elliptical, 500 calories burned, 3 miles strided. :D

Wooo! :up:

[Abaddon]

Look, let me save all of you people who are looking for magic shortcuts to getting ripped some time; THERE ARE NONE! You want it? You've got to work for it. Period. If it was easy, everyone would do it. Now, go be a fatty or a skinny runt or apply yourself and transform yourself to who and what you want to be. It's really up to you. But for the love of all that's holy quit trying to justify your sloth and gluttony in this thread and quit asking the same damn crap over and over again as if it will somehow change the answer to something that doesn't mean hard work, dedication, commitment and some changes in how you eat and how you live your life. There are no shortcuts.

jag


Well, meeeooooow.:whatever:




:oldrazz:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

As much as you'd probably sweat on the way down :p



Is anybody here bulking or cutting out of curiosity? Or are we all just kinda doin our own thing?


I'm in between right now, mostly I am going for strength, but the way my body develops I don't gain much size I lean out. But right now I am breakdancing so we will see what happens. I can definately tell I am getting stronger though now that I am getting back into it.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm currently cutting and it's such a drastic change from the long bulk I just got off of. I still think I'm in "eat everything in sight" mode sometimes. For all you new people, I don't mean to literally eat all the junk you can get your paws on, I'm still talkin about eating clean.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Here's a nifty little site I just found, aimed more at Eros and his questions.

http://www.sissel-online.com/exercise/push_ups_with_feet_on_exercise_ball_level_2.php

You can cycle through to the next or previous exercise shown.

[Fran]

Today, I started a new, healthier diet.

Tomorrow, I hit the gym :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

^You're gonna be on a cutting schedule from what you told me, FYI


My AIM is actin funny, BTW

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm currently cutting and it's such a drastic change from the long bulk I just got off of. I still think I'm in "eat everything in sight" mode sometimes. For all you new people, I don't mean to literally eat all the junk you can get your paws on, I'm still talkin about eating clean.

Yeah when I was really going for gaining size and getting cut I ate like an animal. I'm not a big guy, only 5'7" 150-155lbs right now, but at the time I was 140-145lbs and my friends were amazed at how much and how often I would eat.

[Fran]

^You're gonna be on a cutting schedule from what you told me, FYI


My AIM is actin funny, BTW

What?

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah when I was really going for gaining size and getting cut I ate like an animal. I'm not a big guy, only 5'7" 150-155lbs right now, but at the time I was 140-145lbs and my friends were amazed at how much and how often I would eat.

Your stats seem so perfect for breakdancing lol.

[Colossal Spoons]

What?

Bulking = size and strength. Lots of calories, less cardio

Cutting = definition and maybe endurance if you choose. Less calories, more cardio

[Fran]

Yeah, I'm gonna do some weight training and elliptical work tomorrow.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I'm gonna do some weight training and elliptical work tomorrow.

Remember to keep your workout to around an hour. It'd be best to do cardio and weight training on seperate days(Jag and others talked me out of combining them :up:). But if you really wanna combine the two, do your elliptical last and only do about 25 or so mins to uh.....shake out toxins.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Your stats seem so perfect for breakdancing lol.

Yeah pretty close, I used to weigh 135lbs in high school. So that was really perfect, but it was so hard for me to bulk up and gain any size or strength.

Now that I have 15-25 extra pounds on me, it's a little easier in terms of the strength department but I really need to start stretching again. lol

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I say Jog, jogging is amazing, although if it's hard on your joints try swimming, great cardio as well :up:

[Fran]

Remember to keep your workout to around an hour. It'd be best to do cardio and weight training on seperate days(Jag and others talked me out of combining them :up:). But if you really wanna combine the two, do your elliptical last and only do about 25 or so mins to uh.....shake out toxins.

Crap, that's what I meant to say. I'm gonna rotate the elliptical/weight training.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah pretty close, I used to weigh 135lbs in high school. So that was really perfect, but it was so hard for me to bulk up and gain any size or strength.

Now that I have 15-25 extra pounds on me, it's a little easier in terms of the strength department but I really need to start stretching again. lol

Something I always meant to ask. How do you train your neck to be able to pull off some of those breakdancing moves. I always wanted to give it a try but I fear my neck and wrists aren't strong enough. This was back when I weighed less, now that I'm 220; that's out of the question lol.

[AndThePickles]

I say Jog, jogging is amazing, although if it's hard on your joints try swimming, great cardio as well :up:

I can't stand jogging and running, definitely hurts my joints and chest. Swimming is definitely good cardio, I wouldn't mind trying it regularly sometime.

[Fran]

"I believe it's called jogging, or ogging, it might be a silent j."

[Colossal Spoons]

Crap, that's what I meant to say. I'm gonna rotate the elliptical/weight training.

Ah, then we're in the same boat:

Weights
Cardio
Weights
Cardio
Weights
Cardio
Rest


:up:

[Fran]

So in a seven day span, make day 7 rest day?

[Colossal Spoons]

Yes sir. You can rest on Sunday...like God did :dry:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Something I always meant to ask. How do you train your neck to be able to pull off some of those breakdancing moves. I always wanted to give it a try but I fear my neck and wrists aren't strong enough. This was back when I weighed less, now that I'm 220; that's out of the question lol.


Well for me I have always had a pretty good sense of body control so it just came kind of naturally to me. I wasn't really good or anything right off the bat, but I picked up the basics really easy. I also used to play Capoeria so that really helped.

As far as training your neck, you should know that with enough working out, especially lifting hard your neck will slowly and eventually grow.

Although there are exercises to strengthen your neck.

1. Neck stretches, just hold your neck to each side for 20 seconds, same with forward (down) and back (up).

2. Neck rotations, for some strange reason they seem to really help strengthen my neck.

3. Head stands, with hand assistant. Really helps build your neck muscles, kind of like isometrics or isotonics. Can also do neck stretches this way as well, usually with my feet on the ground and I will roll on my head to rotate my neck. Used to do these during football as well.

4. If you really want get one of those head/neck chain/brace things. Never used them but I've heard they work.

5. Can put your head next to an imoveable object, like a wall and push against it as hard as you can for 10-15 seconds on each side. Do from being on all fours.

I never really concentrated on working out my neck, it sort of just happens with all of the stuff I did.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I can't stand jogging and running, definitely hurts my joints and chest. Swimming is definitely good cardio, I wouldn't mind trying it regularly sometime.


Well if it didn't hurt it's possibly he greatest cardio exercise ever. Jogging is great, but I understand the joints thing. and hurting your chest, well I will just assume you are, umm....well porportioned.

Swimming is also great though because it works a lot of your body's muscles.

[Colossal Spoons]

:up:

[Fran]

:up:

[AndThePickles]

:up: :huh:

[Fran]

I'm trying to figure out how to do a sideways thumb.

[Fran]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p71/lugwit/icon14.gif

[Colossal Spoons]

Hahaha, I thought a "sideways thumb" was some exercise I'd never heard of.

[Fran]

Damnit, I need the background white as well.

:down

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

:up: :huh:


I think they are referring to me implying that you are stacked. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hahaha, I thought a "sideways thumb" was some exercise I'd never heard of.

word, so did I lol :D

[Fran]

I think they are referring to me implying that you are stacked. :up:

I don't know at all, I just was trying to do the http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p71/lugwit/icon14.gif thumb.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think they are referring to me implying that you are stacked. :up:

Heh, no. I was :up:ing your neck post.

[Fran]

Suuuurrreee...

[Colossal Spoons]

Why would I :up: my own g/f's boobs, ya weirdie?

[Fran]

I don't know, why would you :huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

HFCS :o

[AndThePickles]

Why would I :up: my own g/f's boobs, ya weirdie?

Why wouldn't you? :huh:

[Fran]

AndThePickown3d!

weirdie -- new term for me.

*Writes down*

[Fran]

Frickin' thread killer.

[Colossal Spoons]

There are no more fitness inquiries lol

[Fran]

Umm....

...

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p71/lugwit/icon14.gif

[Colossal Spoons]

FF, how close to your body weight do you think you can bench press? That's always a good goal.

[Fran]

Tough one... I'm around 260, and sporatically hit the gym (translation - not since November). :o

[Colossal Spoons]

What were you puttin up then?

[Fran]

I honestly cannot remember.

I know I tried a lot after coming back from a long hiatus, and my arms were sore for a week.

[Colossal Spoons]

Word

[Fran]

I'm not sure how much to do tomorrow.

[AndThePickles]

You'll have to experiment. Take a little notebook with you and write down the weights that you end up doing.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well since you're just getting back into it, your first few days/weeks are gonna be a time to see where your strength is. Just try out diff weights. Since you're doing the 6x6x6 routine; your 1st set should be heavy, but not impossible but your last set should be almost failure.

[Fran]

Interesting...

Pickles, the notebook thing... not sure about.

[AndThePickles]

It helps so much, that way you'll always know what weights you did for which exercise and won't be guessing. It also helps you track your progress.

[jaguarr]

Why would I :up: my own g/f's boobs, ya weirdie?


We're going to need pictures in order to formulate an informed and insightful answer for you on this quandary. :dry:

jag

[Fran]

Well, at the health club in question, there are files there. I have one, and in that file, there is a chart to where I logged my weights, etc.

I'll just use that.

Thanks for making me remember that though:up:

[Colossal Spoons]

FF, do the notebook thing. Most people either have a notebook or at least a piece of paper(spreadsheet).

[Colossal Spoons]

We're going to need pictures in order to formulate an informed and insightful answer for you on this quandary. :dry:

jag

See, after your debate with B_f, you stroll in here using your big words. Now I have to look up "quandary". :cmad:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Why wouldn't you? :huh:

WORD :up:

[jaguarr]

See, after your debate with B_f, you stroll in here using your big words. Now I have to look up "quandary". :cmad:

Help us help you. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

We're going to need pictures in order to formulate an informed and insightful answer for you on this quandary. :dry:

jag


He he, BIG WORD SON :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Okay I finally found it, Jag, Colossol feel free to add to this.

This is for anyone wanting to start working out.


1) Determine your goal. Lose 20lbs of fat, 40lbs, lower cholesterol, look better naked, whatever. Make sure you set a goal for yourself.

2) Try and educate yourself a little about eating healthy for life and exercise. It will motivate you and help keep you going if you know what to do on your own and not need to rely on others.

3) Asses how in or out of shape you are. See how many pushups you can do before you stop. See how many laps you can jog around a track or for how many minutes before you get tired.

4) Cut out the fast food, period! Buy and learn what foods are healthy for you, whole wheats, fruits, veggies, fish, lean steak, good carbs etc. Lots and lots of water.

5) Always start off slow, or else you risk injury and setting yourself back further.

6) Be patient, it will takes months to drop 20-40lbs or even a year. So think long term.

7) Positive thinking and determination. Mind over matter can not be stressed enough here. You CAN do it if you put your mind to it.

Okay now that I have made some important points (I think I covered the basics, if Calvin, Makeminemarvel, SB or anyone wants to add more feel free) it's time to get you started.

Start off at 40%-60% of your max. Like I said you need to determine first what your limits are in order to do this, but this way you will give yourself plenty of leaway to build up your body for more intense workout sessions.

So if it takes you say 10 minutes to run a mile and you are wiped out after, jog at an 14-16 minute pace. If you can do say 20 pushups once before you are again wiped and can do no more. Do three sets of 6-12.

Starting off this low may seem tedious but this will ensure that you will not hurt yourself or you will not be too sore to do anything the next day.

Try taking up an activity instead of just doing boring cardio on a treadmill or bike. Martial Arts, boxing, sports, etc. Get out of the house and exercise.

Basic exercises at home you can do that require no weights and will help you start off your workout are.

Pushups
Dips on your bathtub: sit on the edge of your tub facing away, put your palms down so your fingers hang over the edge, then scoot your feet out so your butt lifts off of the tub then slowly lower yourself until your butt almost touches the ground, then press yourself back up. You should feel strain in your triceps.

Crunches
squats or wall sits
lunges
calf raises

Yes those are basic exercises, but they will get you started in ther right direction and give you some basis for getting your body in shape before you join a gym or buy home equipment.

Hope that helps.

Anyway we can make this a sticky?

[Colossal Spoons]

SAT words < HFCS



j/k, not even close

[Fran]

Jag, I concur.

fran

[Colossal Spoons]

That post appears to be in order BH :up: I'm sure Jag will throw in some advice about glycogen stores though :p

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

lol :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Damn it I forgot what I was going to say! SOB!

[Colossal Spoons]

You'll remember at about 3am...

[AndThePickles]

...in your sleep.

[Fran]

Speaking of sleep, I'm out :up:

Tomorrow... the gym. :up:

[AndThePickles]

Night! And good luck!

[Colossal Spoons]

Give it hell!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Do Work Son.

[jaguarr]

Glucogen stores!!!!!!! :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm psychic!

[jaguarr]

I'm psychic!


Not really. You predicted glycogen stores whereas I really mentioned glucogen stores. You lose, junior! :cmad:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Alright so I'm thinking I could have Jag, Colossol, Shadow if that guy is still around,MakeMineMarvel and anyone else, that knows what they are talking about help me out.

Here are my goals.

1. To develop functional strength. Yes I want to look good, but my main prioirity is not to be strong, but for my strength to be of use and beneficial. To help you guys out I play sports (or at least used to) avidly. Basketball mostly, football on occassion and softball leagues. I love to break dance and have been back into it for almost two months now and it is getting easier everyday.

I want my body to be in the best shape possible for these activities so I can excel as much as poissible.

2. I really want to take it slow. Last time (Feb-April) when I had a work out routine, I injured my shoulders a little which really made me take a lot of time off and then I just never got back into my work out routine. I think it may have also had something to do with my bed and the way I was sleeping.


That's pretty much it. I do not have a gym pass, so this will make things a little more challenging. But here is what I have at home.

Pull up bar

Swiss Ball/Balance Ball

5, 10, 20 and 30lb dumb bells

1 Curl bar

2-5lb plates, 2- 10lb plates and 2- 25lb plates

Three different intensity strength bands

One medicine ball (I think 12lbs)

5'7" approx 153lbs right now approx 15-19% body fat. I doubt I am around 19% but if I am that is at the most how much I have. But I have decent definition so I think I am somewhere around 16%

My old routine was......




So bascially I am asking you guys for a little or a lot of input. What routines would be good for my shoulders, I am really focusing on taking it very slow with them and making sure I strengthen them plenty.

I think doing military presses is what screwed them up before.

Any inpout involving exercises, websites, supplements (although I do not want to head down the creatine route or anything like that), or anything else you guys feel like informing me on would be great :up:

[jaguarr]

Best way I know to build functional strength and size is to go as heavy as you can without sacrificing proper form and run 5x5 and 6x3 configurations of your routine with some 3x6's mixed in for periodization. Base your routines around compound lifts like squats, deads, clean and press and bench. And eat, eat, eat and eat some more. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Not really. You predicted glycogen stores whereas I really mentioned glucogen stores. You lose, junior! :cmad:

jag

I just want to win at things!

[Iceman]

I'm thinking of posting my entire diet & workout log at some point to see if anyone can suggest improvements.
ON is the greatest. I never plan on switching to another brand. :up:I'm definitely trying it as soon as current supplies run out. :up:

[Lunar_Wolf]

I'm thinking of posting my entire diet & workout log at some point to see if anyone can suggest improvements.
I'm definitely trying it as soon as current supplies run out. :up:

That be cool. I eat healty but I'm never too sure what I should be eating.

[jaguarr]

I'm thinking of posting my entire diet & workout log at some point to see if anyone can suggest improvements.


If you're going to go to that trouble, I would strongly suggest you join boyscouT, Spoons and myself over at the bodybuilding.com site and start a lifting and dieting journal there. You'll get much more valuable feedback in the long run. :up:

jag

[Fran]

bodybuilding.com... interesting.

[Iceman]

If you're going to go to that trouble, I would strongly suggest you join boyscouT, Spoons and myself over at the bodybuilding.com site and start a lifting and dieting journal there. You'll get much more valuable feedback in the long run. :up:

jagI actually joined in the last couple of days!! :wow::wow::wow:

I was reading your log on there which gave me the idea of posting my own. Keeping one seems like a great motivation tool :up:

That be cool. I eat healty but I'm never too sure what I should be eating.There's a ton of good advice in this thread but feel free to let us know what your diet and training currently consists of and what your goals are and I'm sure people will be happy to help.

[Fran]

jag, I/P, Spoons, I joined that bodybuilding.com forum... so what are your names on there?

[jaguarr]

I was reading your log on there which gave me the idea of posting my own. Keeping one seems like a great motivation tool :up:


I actually just set up my new journal over there a couple days ago. There's a link to it from my old journal (which, once you get past the crazy **** that gets posted, has a lot of great information that I've picked up over the past year).

fran, it's really difficult to find me over on the BB.com board. :dry:

jag

[Fran]

Actually, I found you and Spoons.

So should I start making a journal in that sub-forum?

[jaguarr]

Actually, I found you and Spoons.

So should I start making a journal in that sub-forum?

Find the appropriate forum. I keep mine in the Over 35 area, so it wouldn't be appropos for you to do so. Find boyscouT's journal; the section his is in would be the right one for you. :up:

jag

[Fran]

Well, I'm reading some threads now, but thanks for the tips :up:

I'm just gonna do some weight lifting at home today... the health club is f**king packed.

[Iceman]

I actually just set up my new journal over there a couple days ago. There's a link to it from my old journal (which, once you get past the crazy **** that gets posted, has a lot of great information that I've picked up over the past year).

fran, it's really difficult to find me over on the BB.com board. :dry:

jagI'll start reading it slowly :up:

jag, I/P, Spoons, I joined that bodybuilding.com forum... so what are your names on there?I'm 300 on there. Haven't posted yet. Jag is completely impossible to find unless you keep an eye out for those anti HFCS posts.

[Fran]

So I take it I should start my journal in the general "Workout Journals" section?

[jaguarr]

I lift strictly at home. I have a power cage with safety rails so I've always got a spotter. The only downside is that I'd like access to a pool on a regular basis, but it's not worth the cost or dealing with the people in a gym. The only downside is that I don't really have any place to do clean and presses and deadlifts from the floor. My wife and I are going to get a different place in the spring, though, and a finished garage with a third bay is a priority so that I can set up my gym gear there and have a place to lift where I can do some of those things. I just ordered the cable tower attachment for my cage as well, which will be nice. I primarily focus on compound lifts but I'd like to be able to do some lat isolation with pulldowns, some heavy seated rows, tri pushdowns and certain shoulder movements with the cable system so I popped the coinage for it. Should be a couple of weeks before it shows, though.

jag

[Fran]

I've got a Marcy Monster 850 Bench with a separate bench and weight stand, it's nice. I've got around 300 total pounds in weights.

[Iceman]

I've got a fair amount of equipment but I can't get the same motivation at home and what I have isn't enough to fully train chest, back or legs properly. I've recently changed most of my workouts (with weights) to very early in the morning as the gym's not too bad at that time.

[jaguarr]

Everyone's different and you have to find what's going to work best for you in terms of schedule and convenience so that you'll stick with it. I HATE lifting in public gyms, personally. I dislike all the asshats that get in my way and all the distractions going on. I like being able to blare MY music and just focus and use the equipment when and how I want to without anyone waiting for me to finish or vice versa. I'm very internally motivated and don't need a lifting partner (I've never found one that will work with the same weights I do, at the same ranges, pursuing the same goals, and adapting to my little changes, anyway). But, some people like the gym atmosphere and find it motivating and that's cool, too. It really comes down to what's going to work for you.

And, Lucas, that should be a fine set-up to get started with. Do you have adjustable dumbbells as well as a barbell?

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

bodybuilding.com... interesting.

I told you about it last night sucka :cmad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, I'm reading some threads now, but thanks for the tips :up:


Yes. Sit down for a while and READ, READ, READ. :up:

[Iceman]

(To Jag) That's true. I like the gym atmosphere but hate if anyone gets in the way of doing what I want to do. That's why mornings seem to working very well for me recently.

The only thing I miss is a partner for spotting bench press, especially with a barbell. I don't really need one for squats or deadlifts or any of the other heavy exercises but I can never feel comfortable with very heavy weights on the bench press without someone there to step in.

[Fran]

Everyone's different and you have to find what's going to work best for you in terms of schedule and convenience so that you'll stick with it. I HATE lifting in public gyms, personally. I dislike all the asshats that get in my way and all the distractions going on. I like being able to blare MY music and just focus and use the equipment when and how I want to without anyone waiting for me to finish or vice versa. I'm very internally motivated and don't need a lifting partner (I've never found one that will work with the same weights I do, at the same ranges, pursuing the same goals, and adapting to my little changes, anyway). But, some people like the gym atmosphere and find it motivating and that's cool, too. It really comes down to what's going to work for you.

And, Lucas, that should be a fine set-up to get started with. Do you have adjustable dumbbells as well as a barbell?

jag

Yeah, I always keep my iPod handy when I hit HealthTrac. The only problem where I lift weights is the people there... they are all staring at me, kinda creeps me out. It doesn't bring me down/disencourage me at all, I just... don't like it.

I don't have adjustable dumbbells at all. I work at a sporting goods store (I think you knew that), so I could acquire some for a great price.

Not sure if I have a barbell or not.

Spoons -- I don't remember you telling me at all :huh: But yes, I am exploring the forum. Not sure where to post my journal.

[Colossal Spoons]

Everyone's different and you have to find what's going to work best for you in terms of schedule and convenience so that you'll stick with it. I HATE lifting in public gyms, personally. I dislike all the asshats that get in my way and all the distractions going on. I like being able to blare MY music and just focus and use the equipment when and how I want to without anyone waiting for me to finish or vice versa. I'm very internally motivated and don't need a lifting partner (I've never found one that will work with the same weights I do, at the same ranges, pursuing the same goals, and adapting to my little changes, anyway). But, some people like the gym atmosphere and find it motivating and that's cool, too. It really comes down to what's going to work for you.

And, Lucas, that should be a fine set-up to get started with. Do you have adjustable dumbbells as well as a barbell?

jag

I usually only need a spot for bench, so other than that, I'm a lone-lifter too. I don't know how having a friend screaming "Come on!" at me would help motivate me. If anything, it'd annoy me and make me wanna hit him in the face w/ a bumbell.

[jaguarr]

The great thing about a power cage is that I no longer need a spotter for heavier weight. If I eff up, the safety rails will save my ass. :up:

jag

[Fran]

I take it a power cage is a huge investment, and only for the workout-committed person.

[Lunar_Wolf]

There's a ton of good advice in this thread but feel free to let us know what your diet and training currently consists of and what your goals are and I'm sure people will be happy to help.

Thanks! I'm really just want to lose weight and tone up. My stomach is the problem, I'm not fat or chubby but my stomach pokes out. I want to get my stomach flat. Any advice or diet that would help?

[jaguarr]

I take it a power cage is a huge investment, and only for the workout-committed person.

Not really. It's a bit more expensive route to go than just a bench (I paid $350 for my cage and another $200 for my bench). It does take up more space, though.

jag

[Fran]

Wait... does Marcy make it? If so, then I think we sell it.

[jaguarr]

Thanks! I'm really just want to lose weight and tone up. My stomach is the problem, I'm not fat or chubby but my stomach pokes out. I want to get my stomach flat. Any advice or diet that would help?

Quit eating processed sugars and flours, drink a gallon of water per day and do lots of cardio. :up:

jag

[jaguarr]

Wait... does Marcy make it? If so, then I think we sell it.

They may make one, I don't know. Lots of manufacturers do. Mine's a PowerTec.

jag

[Lunar_Wolf]

Quit eating processed sugars and flours, drink a gallon of water per day and do lots of cardio. :up:

jag

Thanks man! For the past two weeks I quit all junk foods doing lots of cardio. I need to drink more water though.

[Iceman]

Thanks man! For the past two weeks I quit all junk foods doing lots of cardio. I need to drink more water though.Great start :up:

Cutting out the crap is essential for getting rid of that last layer of fat. I used to do 1.5hrs of cardio a day 5 times a week a while back (my goals have changed a lot since) and even that wasn't enough without having some serious discipline on the diet front. Now I'm literally drinking water constantly throughout the day and have improved my diet a whole lot.

Good luck :yay: Let us know how you get on.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Great start :up:

Cutting out the crap is essential for getting rid of that last layer of fat. I used to do 1.5hrs of cardio a day 5 times a week a while back (my goals have changed a lot since) and even that wasn't enough without having some serious discipline on the diet front. Now I'm literally drinking water constantly throughout the day and have improved my diet a whole lot.

Good luck :yay: Let us know how you get on.

Thanks! Cutting out the crap was the hardest for me, but I'm not craving it too much at all:yay:

[Colossal Spoons]

Really dedicated people will tell you that after a loong time of not eating junk, they lose the craving completely. That's good for them; but even now that I eat cleanylu, I'd never say I don't get the craving for let's say...a cheesesteak every now and then.

[echostation]

Ok i've been doing lifting for like 3-4 months and tylerdurden gave me a kick ass workout routine that I have yet to start cuz I'm still just getting "used to the gym" in terms of getting used to all the exercises out there and the machines and dumbbells... The big big problem I have in general is my right shoulder... It hurts like hell whenever I try to do FLIES and Bench press and particularly Overhead Raises whether with dumbbells or machines...

Lateral raises and front raises I have no issues with but can anyone recommend what I can do to build up chest strength... I can do push ups with no problem but for some reason bench press and flies make my right shoulder click and sometimes painfully if i over do it so I don't even do those...

Also, what's a good way to get a good cardio workout? I've read all sorts of crap from doing like 2 mins of light cardio then 3-4 mins of heavy cardio/intense cardio then back down to 2 mins of light cardio and so on... then I've heard others say just do a constant stream at a medium-difficult setting for 20-30 mins or so...

Can anyone help me with these issues?

[y2jversion1]

Ok i've been doing lifting for like 3-4 months and tylerdurden gave me a kick ass workout routine that I have yet to start cuz I'm still just getting "used to the gym" in terms of getting used to all the exercises out there and the machines and dumbbells... The big big problem I have in general is my right shoulder... It hurts like hell whenever I try to do FLIES and Bench press and particularly Overhead Raises whether with dumbbells or machines...

Lateral raises and front raises I have no issues with but can anyone recommend what I can do to build up chest strength... I can do push ups with no problem but for some reason bench press and flies make my right shoulder click and sometimes painfully if i over do it so I don't even do those...

Also, what's a good way to get a good cardio workout? I've read all sorts of crap from doing like 2 mins of light cardio then 3-4 mins of heavy cardio/intense cardio then back down to 2 mins of light cardio and so on... then I've heard others say just do a constant stream at a medium-difficult setting for 20-30 mins or so...

Can anyone help me with these issues?

Unfortunately no matter what, shoulders take a brutal beating from the flat bench pressing movement. I suggest you do dips and incline presses (bench around 30-35 degree incline) for chest if flat bench is doing that to your shoulders. No need to ruin your joints.

A good cardio workout depends on your goals.

For fat loss, HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is one of the most efficient methods - it's the "2 mins of light cardio then 3-4 mins of heavy cardio/intense cardio then back down to 2 mins of light cardio and so on... " you suggested, however for a total span of around 20-25 minutes.

For heart/bp conditioning - the "constant stream at a medium-difficult setting " you mentioned, for a longer period of time like 45 minutes would be suffice. Then every few sessions you either increase the difficulty or lengthen the period of time while keeping the same speed.

[jaguarr]

Another option for those with shoulder issues is to move to strictly dumbbell movements on your press movements. The ROM (Range Of Motion) is better for the shoulders.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Dumbell incline bench is one of my faves :up:

[Fran]

jag, what's a good adjustable dumbbell?

[jaguarr]

jag, what's a good adjustable dumbbell?

Depends on whether you have standard or Olympic plates. The collars for Oly sized DB handles are pretty standard. For standard sized plates, I like the star-lock system because it holds the plates very securely and prevents any accidents from happening with weight slipping off the bars and say....onto your face.

jag

[Fran]

Well, there's a Bowflex one at work, and another one from Marcy I think.

[jaguarr]

The Bowflex system is very cool but unfortunately doesn't get nearly as heavy as I need DB's to be able to go so I have never used it. Don't know much about Marcy equipment.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, the Bowflex one only goes as high as 50lbs. Shame too, cuz the concept is really cool.

[SLYspyder]

what are you guys maxes?

i'm 190, and I do reps on 275, max about 325.

[Colossal Spoons]

I assume you're talking about bench pressing? I'm only at 245 right now.

Heh, bench stats are so popular and I have no idea why. Nobody ever inquires about squatting or anything else.

[SLYspyder]

I assume you're talking about bench pressing? I'm only at 245 right now.

Heh, bench stats are so popular and I have no idea why. Nobody ever inquires about squatting or anything else.

just shows your strong your core is. you don't see marvel stating how many tons spider-man squats.

[echostation]

what's the best way to improve your bench?? can anyone give like a good program for that or a routine?

[jaguarr]

I don't really do maxes anymore. I consider them a vanity lift and they increase your chances of getting injured and effing up your training, so I avoid them. I tend to just focus on increasing my working weight or reps from week to week. I switched to strictly dumbbell presses about 18 months ago due to some shoulder issues and made some very good progress using them exclusively, using 120 and 125 lb. dumbbells for reps. I switched back over to barbell press yesterday for the first time in a year and a half just to switch things up and wasn't really happy with the weight (235 for reps) but it will come back to me with time. I've been up to 305 for reps at one point but I couldn't tell you what my max is. Bench stats ares a funny thing because people seem to whip it around like it's their dick size or something. It really doesn't demonstrate your core strength like say squats or deadlifts or clean and press might. It's just gotten to be the popular stat and even Marvel has used it with some of their characters as a result. Cause and effect and all that. :)

jag

[AndThePickles]

Bench stats ares a funny thing because people seem to whip it around like it's their dick size or something.

jag

Lol I've noticed that with you crazy men :cwink:

[SLYspyder]

I don't really do maxes anymore. I consider them a vanity lift and they increase your chances of getting injured and effing up your training, so I avoid them. I tend to just focus on increasing my working weight or reps from week to week. I switched to strictly dumbbell presses about 18 months ago due to some shoulder issues and made some very good progress using them exclusively, using 120 and 125 lb. dumbbells for reps. I switched back over to barbell press yesterday for the first time in a year and a half just to switch things up and wasn't really happy with the weight (235 for reps) but it will come back to me with time. I've been up to 305 for reps at one point but I couldn't tell you what my max is. Bench stats ares a funny thing because people seem to whip it around like it's their dick size or something. It really doesn't demonstrate your core strength like say squats or deadlifts or clean and press might. It's just gotten to be the popular stat and even Marvel has used it with some of their characters as a result. Cause and effect and all that. :)

jag

i used dumbbells for over the past 2 years, starting out at 55lbs x 2, and I just stopped at 125lb x 2 recently, because the stretch marks on my deltoids are getting out of hand. it comes from when you bring the weight down all the way when doing your reps. and plus, the new gym i'm at only stops at 105.
I'm at 275 on the bench now with my reps. i don't do maxes, like you, maybe once every 6 months. I just estimate from the weight I do reps on, because "max" is what everyone's about.

now i wouldn't say squats show your core strength, but i'd agree on deadlifts.

what's also hilarious is how alot of people lie about their bench weight. they talk and talk, but when it's time to show in the gym, "oh, my shoulder is sore" "not feeling it today".....sure buddy.
listen, i'm not asking what you benched 10 yrs ago when you were my age (because everyone was as strong and big as I am when they were my age), or +50 lbs ago, or on fictional Earth, I'm asking what you bench right now.