The Official Hype Fitness Thread [Archive] - Page 12

jaguarr

01-17-2007, 06:39 PM

terry78

01-17-2007, 06:42 PM

^Only you can use the term ass to grass and not have it come off metrosexual. Kudos.

tzarinna

01-17-2007, 06:54 PM

Okay, I'm going to start working out again.
I'll do yoga and my gazelle on alternate days. :up:
Starting Mon. :D,I need to make some room in my cramped apartment.
Actually I need to get another yoga video,I've declined in my ability to do the one I have now. :csad: But I love the music and visuals,I need something like it to keep my interest. If anyone has any suggestion for yoga DVD's let me know.
The one I have now is http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/08/53/93/43/0008539343442_215X215.jpg

I bought a salsa work out video that I just hate,so I'd really like some feed back before I get another crappy dvd, if anybody has any, on the yoga thing.

jaguarr

01-17-2007, 07:14 PM

^Only you can use the term ass to grass and not have it come off metrosexual. Kudos.

It's a testament to my manliness. :dry:

Okay, I'm going to start working out again.
I'll do yoga and my gazelle on alternate days. :up:
Starting Mon. :D,I need to make some room in my cramped apartment.
Actually I need to get another yoga video,I've declined in my ability to do the one I have now. :csad: But I love the music and visuals,I need something like it to keep my interest. If anyone has any suggestion for yoga DVD's let me know.
The one I have now is http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/08/53/93/43/0008539343442_215X215.jpg

I bought a salsa work out video that I just hate,so I'd really like some feed back before I get another crappy dvd, if anybody has any, on the yoga thing.

I'm not much into yoga, but my wife really enjoys pilates quite a bit. One thing you could do is check out the yoga and pilates vids on Amazon.com. They have a ton of them and they usually have pretty insightful user reviews so you can get an idea of whether they're ****e or not.

jag

tzarinna

01-17-2007, 07:22 PM

Yeah that was one of my next to do. :O

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-17-2007, 07:58 PM

Thanks! I'm really just want to lose weight and tone up. My stomach is the problem, I'm not fat or chubby but my stomach pokes out. I want to get my stomach flat. Any advice or diet that would help?

Planks are great for tightening your underlying abdominal muscles :up:

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-17-2007, 08:03 PM

I know it sounds odd or maybe not, but if you want to get into really good shape. Take up ballet. :up:

AndThePickles

01-17-2007, 08:06 PM

Agreed. I was in awesome shape when I used to dance.

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-17-2007, 08:14 PM

You were a ballarenia?

AndThePickles

01-17-2007, 08:16 PM

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-17-2007, 08:27 PM

Yup, when I was younger. I wish I had kept up with it. I also took hip-hop briefly in high school. Even now in college I still love to dance and love going to this hip-hop aerobics class that my university offers. Dance is my favorite form of cardio. Keeps you limber! :)

Very nice ;)

Yeah, that's why I love breakdancing, I mean I love Hip Hop anyway, so breakin is just something I feel anyway, but it also has fitness benefits which is great :up:

terry78

01-17-2007, 08:33 PM

^Do you do that little pose at the end?

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-17-2007, 08:34 PM

/\Ummm.....what?

AndThePickles

01-17-2007, 08:37 PM

You mean this terry? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY4kFSuMvKM

jaguarr

01-17-2007, 08:39 PM

Wait, what? BAH is a ballerina? :confused:

jag

Fran

01-17-2007, 08:39 PM

:dry:

Colossal Spoons

01-17-2007, 09:20 PM

Props to BH, I'm not manly enough to be a Sugarplum Fairy. :p

Fran

01-17-2007, 09:21 PM

Lifted some weights tonight, tomorrow I hit the gym for cardio :up:

AndThePickles

01-17-2007, 09:23 PM

My favorite song to do cardio to is "Call on Me" by Eric Prydz because I think of all the toned women doing aerobics in the video. Good motivation lol.

Fran

01-17-2007, 09:24 PM

I gotta find headphones for my iPod.

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-17-2007, 10:54 PM

Wait, what the hell? How did I become a damn Ballerina?

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-17-2007, 10:54 PM

You mean this terry? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY4kFSuMvKM

Haha, hella sick video :up:

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-17-2007, 10:55 PM

^Do you do that little pose at the end?

No, no I do not do that stance at the end. :up:

Colossal Spoons

01-17-2007, 11:11 PM

Wait, what the hell? How did I become a damn Ballerina?

You gave praise to my g/f...instant ballerina. :(

jaguarr

01-17-2007, 11:25 PM

Do a pirouette, Tinkerbell! :cmad:

jag

AndThePickles

01-17-2007, 11:57 PM

You gave praise to my g/f...instant ballerina. :(

Lol what the hell?

y2jversion1

01-18-2007, 10:45 AM

now i wouldn't say squats show your core strength, but i'd agree on deadlifts.

Actually I'll disagree - having 350+lbs across the back of your shoulders/traps and free squatting takes a heck of a core. Not only does your lower back have to be solid, you have to have solid ab & oblique strength to not bend under the weight. I'd say that more overall core strength/stability & balance is required for heavy squatting than deads (regular or SLDLs)

jaguarr

01-18-2007, 10:54 AM

Actually I'll disagree - having 350+lbs across the back of your shoulders/traps and free squatting takes a heck of a core. Not only does your lower back have to be solid, you have to have solid ab & oblique strength to not bend under the weight. I'd say that more overall core strength/stability & balance is required for heavy squatting than deads (regular or SLDLs)

:up:

You do a lot of Oly and power lifting, if I recall correctly. Definitely have to have a solid core and some substantial core strength for that sort of training. I incorporate a lot of power lifting principles and compound movements into my routines, actually.

jag

Fran

01-18-2007, 10:55 AM

I did some cardio today at the gym. It feels good already :up:

Armand Z Trip

01-18-2007, 10:59 AM

I tried those Hindu push ups and squats. I think this is where the stereotype of Hindu's being peaceful comes from. They are in too much pain to haul off and smack someone.

Iceman

01-18-2007, 12:08 PM

Yeah, I really don't give a crap about people's maxes or my own for that matter. Half the time they're full of **** and you get them in the gym and they can't hang with the numbers they've been spouting. I've seen guys who claim a 325 lb. bench for reps whimper when I put the 110 # dumbbells in their hand for presses when I'm using 120 for 3x6's and know I can't do 325 for reps. And stretch marks from heavy lifting are beauty marks. :D

I should clarify that when I say squats, I mean full on ass to grass...everything else is irrelevant to me. You need a strong core and real core strength (I do make the distinction) to be able to handle heavier weight for those so they are a measure of core strength in my eyes. Everyone's got their own philosophy about all this, I suppose. I lift to compete with myself, not anyone else, though. *kershrug*

jagI can still see stretch marks from 10 years ago :wow: although they've almost faded.

I can't think of a more likely injury scenario than if someone is pushing a genuine max. I'm not too interested unless it concerns actual workout weight. Competing with yourself is what this is all about and it's a hell of a lot of fun.

btw how low is ass to grass? 'Cause I doubt I can even get off the ground with zero weight if grass means grass. :woot:

jaguarr

01-18-2007, 12:24 PM

I can still see stretch marks from 10 years ago :wow: although they've almost faded.

I can't think of a more likely injury scenario than if someone is pushing a genuine max. I'm not too interested unless it concerns actual workout weight. Competing with yourself is what this is all about and it's a hell of a lot of fun.

btw how low is ass to grass? 'Cause I doubt I can even get off the ground with zero weight if grass means grass. :woot:

Ass to grass is ALL THE WAY DOWN! :D To the point that you simply can't go any lower (doesn't really mean your butt's touching the ground). For building your legs, there's simply really nothing better. It's easier on the knees that parallel squats once you get into the higher weights, too, because it's a full ROM instead of putting shear stress on the knees by stopping halfway through your full ROM. I was doing parallel squats with 400 for reps. I choked back my ego and started doing ATG squats at the insistence of some very knowledgeable lifters and had to start at around 230. I'm up to around 270 and the growth and overall strength I'm getting in my legs is so much better than I was getting with parallel. My knees don't hurt as much anymore, either.

jag

Iceman

01-18-2007, 12:39 PM

Ass to grass is ALL THE WAY DOWN! :D To the point that you simply can't go any lower (doesn't really mean your butt's touching the ground). For building your legs, there's simply really nothing better. It's easier on the knees that parallel squats once you get into the higher weights, too, because it's a full ROM instead of putting shear stress on the knees by stopping halfway through your full ROM. I was doing parallel squats with 400 for reps. I choked back my ego and started doing ATG squats at the insistence of some very knowledgeable lifters and had to start at around 230. I'm up to around 270 and the growth and overall strength I'm getting in my legs is so much better than I was getting with parallel. My knees don't hurt as much anymore, either.

jagMy first legs session was last week and I've never gone for the squats so hard. Couldn't walk for the next four days. 8 sets all ATG, perfect form but very low weight. I'll build it up slowly.

jaguarr

01-18-2007, 12:43 PM

My first legs session was last week and I've never gone for the squats so hard. Couldn't walk for the next four days. 8 sets all ATG, perfect form but very low weight. I'll build it up slowly.

That's the way to go...as low as you can go. :up: I'm hitting the squats for the first time in two weeks since I was on business travel last week (the leg workout I had at the hotel gym was hurried, harried and subpar). I anticipate a long weekend of walking like I just rode a horse for 12 hours straight.

jag

Iceman

01-18-2007, 12:49 PM

That's the way to go...as low as you can go. :up: I'm hitting the squats for the first time in two weeks since I was on business travel last week (the leg workout I had at the hotel gym was hurried, harried and subpar). I anticipate a long weekend of walking like I just rode a horse for 12 hours straight.

jagLol

My leg workout is being permanently moved to the end of the cycle with rest day(s) directly after. Even cardio is impossible during the recovery. This resurgence has only been going two weeks (legs due again tomorrow) but together with the complete diet overhaul I already feel 100 times better.

I've been really going for the squats & deadlifts and would do the same for bench if I could find a spotter.

jaguarr

01-18-2007, 12:51 PM

Force yourself to do some cardio the day after legs. It will help your recovery. :up: I do my back/bi's day the last in a weekly lifting cycle because my lower back seems to require more recovery time than anything else that I do.

jag

Iceman

01-18-2007, 12:56 PM

Force yourself to do some cardio the day after legs. It will help your recovery. :up: Really? :wow: I actually avoided cardio thinking it would get in the way of recovery, or at least muscle growth (as well as it being almost impossible last week). In that case should I do a few minutes cardio straight after my leg workout (as I do after my other weight workouts)?

I do my back/bi's day the last in a weekly lifting cycle because my lower back seems to require more recovery time than anything else that I do.

jagI'm worried my lower back (still recovering from those deadlifts yesterday) might hinder my squats tomorrow morning.

jaguarr

01-18-2007, 01:02 PM

Really? :wow: I actually avoided cardio thinking it would get in the way of recovery, or at least muscle growth (as well as it being almost impossible last week). In that case should I do a few minutes cardio straight after my leg workout (as I do after my other weight workouts)?

Yeah, you can do a bit of cardio after your workout as usual. The real benefit is going to come in doing some cardio the day after, though. It will get the blood moving to the legs and that will help with repair and with quality repair comes growth. :up:

I'm worried my lower back (still recovering from those deadlifts yesterday) might hinder my squats tomorrow morning.

Yeah, one of the reasons I do back last in the week. :D

jag

Iceman

01-18-2007, 01:09 PM

Yeah, you can do a bit of cardio after your workout as usual. The real benefit is going to come in doing some cardio the day after, though. It will get the blood moving to the legs and that will help with repair and with quality repair comes growth. :up:If I do that I'll be doing cardio every workout day. 20 or so minutes after a weights workout and 45 mins (down from an hour following advice here :yay:) on the interim days.

Yeah, one of the reasons I do back last in the week. :DDamn :csad: Maybe I should put it off by a day. I know it won't be back to normal by the morning.

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 01:13 PM

Hmm, ATG eh? Parallels were achin the old knees a bit. I'll give these try. Sounds like I won't be doing as much weight with ATG as parallels though.

Super Kal

01-18-2007, 10:30 PM

what works to supress appetites? I've been trying propolene and Hoodia, but I'm not seeing any result... does anyone else have any suggestions?

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 10:31 PM

what works to supress appetites? I've been trying propolene and Hoodia, but I'm not seeing any result... does anyone else have any suggestions?

That phrase is my kryptonite. I'm a vaccuum. Sorry I can't help. :csad:

Super Kal

01-18-2007, 10:32 PM

i know how you feel... I wanna lose weight, but it seems I have an uncontrollable appetite, and I'm really worried about it.

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 10:33 PM

Well are you eating a lot of junk or clean food?

AndThePickles

01-18-2007, 10:34 PM

what works to supress appetites? I've been trying propolene and Hoodia, but I'm not seeing any result... does anyone else have any suggestions?

Hmm. You could try filling up on liquids more. Slimfast and such or even just lots of water.

Super Kal

01-18-2007, 10:42 PM

Well are you eating a lot of junk or clean food?
a littel bit of both... I do need to quit the junk food, though. I did make a conscious effort last pay day and actually instead of getting fried stuff, and canned stuff, I picked up salad, grilled chicken and fish.

I'm curious, is beef jerky a healthy snack?

Hmm. You could try filling up on liquids more. Slimfast and such or even just lots of water.
does that actually work? my family suggest me doing the South Beach Diet, but I'm a little bit iffy on that...

AndThePickles

01-18-2007, 10:46 PM

I've never used it to curb my appetite. I'm weird and I actually just enjoy the taste, so when I roomed with a girl who used it for weight loss I'd chip in towards the Slimfast and drink it because I liked it haha. However, it was pretty filling.

PhePhe112

01-18-2007, 10:50 PM

i suck, i haven't worked out in weeks. :(

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 10:51 PM

shame

AndThePickles

01-18-2007, 10:52 PM

i suck, i haven't worked out in weeks. :(

Lol I thought you just started recently?

Excel

01-18-2007, 10:57 PM

PhePhe112

01-18-2007, 10:57 PM

i did.:O :dry:

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 10:59 PM

ight im finally lifting enough weights that i am happy now time to trim fat. what is the fastest way to trim fat while still keeping muscle? include diet/supplements/most effective excersize-whatever anybody knows i could really use the help thanks!

We're in the same boat. You're done bulking and now it's time to cut. You need to do some cardio. At least 3x a week is what I'd recommend. Eat less than you did when you were bulking and cut out the fat....big time! I'm currently only taking protein(shakes) and a multi-vitamin as I'm not too find of all the "Turbo Weight Blaster" crap that's out there.

Excel

01-18-2007, 11:08 PM

igh thanks. ive heard of something called stacker that helps burn fat?does it work?

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 11:12 PM

Excel

01-18-2007, 11:16 PM

Super Kal

01-18-2007, 11:17 PM

that's why I've never touched those fat burners... too much of a danger IMO

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 11:24 PM

well i only need to lose 10-15 pounds of fat maybe so i would be on maybe a month or 2, not 2 years. You said your friend was 320 pounds he probably had horrible blood pressure then and stackers loaded with ephedra which speeds up your heart thus maximizing your work out's weight loss but if your very overweight, it puts huge strain on your heart so im sure that why he had problems.

I'd still never recommend those pills to anybody, even if you only wanna lose 3 lbs but you're definately in less danger than he was :up:

But seriously, you can do 10-15 w/o pills. I'm aiming to lose about 20 and It'll probably take me most of the year.

jaguarr

01-18-2007, 11:45 PM

I'm curious, is beef jerky a healthy snack?

No. It's loaded with sodium and sugars. And stay away from the South Beach Diet. It's not balanced enough.

jag

jaguarr

01-18-2007, 11:47 PM

Green tea is a mild thermogenic and can help with burning fat. It's safe and natural and has a lot of antioxidants which are beneficial. You can drink it (4 cups a day to get the best results) or get it in capsule form. Best way to drop bodyfat, though is cardio, cardio, cardio.

jag

Super Kal

01-18-2007, 11:48 PM

No. It's loaded with sodium and sugars. And stay away from the South Beach Diet. It's not balanced enough.

jag
what would you suggest?

Green tea is a mild thermogenic and can help with burning fat. It's safe and natural and has a lot of antioxidants which are beneficial. You can drink it (4 cups a day to get the best results) or get it in capsule form. Best way to drop bodyfat, though is cardio, cardio, cardio.

jag
that's running, jogging and bicycling, right?

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 11:50 PM

Excel

01-18-2007, 11:52 PM

which is the most effective form of cardio?

jaguarr

01-18-2007, 11:53 PM

what would you suggest?

I'm assuming you're trying to get more protein in your diet? There are whey shakes, nuts (if you're not allergic), peanut butter, and hey...cook an extra piece of chicken when you make dinner and reheat it for a quick snack while you're at it.

that's running, jogging and bicycling, right?

Yup, among other things.

jag

Super Kal

01-18-2007, 11:54 PM

which is the most effective form of cardio?
probably swimming, because if I remember correctly, it worls all of your muscles... correct me if I'm wrong.

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 11:54 PM

which is the most effective form of cardio?

I like the elliptical, but Jag highly recommends the stair climber too.

jaguarr

01-18-2007, 11:56 PM

Jag, since coming off the creatine during my cut, I've noticed no real decrease in strength which is weird:huh: and no more bloating which is awesome:up:. So I'm thinkin about giving those B-12 dots a go. I've seen you recommend those things a bunch of times. Any particular brand I should aim to get or are they pretty standard?

I've always managed to find the Twin Labs brand when I go looking for them. They'd be more of a replacement for an NO product more than creatine, though as they tend to elicit a nice pump in the targeted muscle groups and a bit of an energy boost. Different function than creatine which volumizes the muscle cell walls and fills them with water, making them fuller.

jag

jaguarr

01-18-2007, 11:58 PM

Super Kal

01-18-2007, 11:58 PM

I'm assuming you're trying to get more protein in your diet? There are whey shakes, nuts (if you're not allergic), peanut butter, and hey...cook an extra piece of chicken when you make dinner and reheat it for a quick snack while you're at it.
well, whatever helps an individual lose weight efficiently... I don't know the difference of having protein or whatnot in a diet... right now, I'm just looking to get down to a healthy weight and finally get out of the big clothes...

maybe eventually I'll get into body building, but that's not a priority for me right now.

another thing that I'm worried about are calories. I like nuts and whatnot, but they're so high on calories, and that's what you're burning to begin with, right?

AndThePickles

01-18-2007, 11:58 PM

which is the most effective form of cardio?

My favorites are the elliptical and the stair climber (just tried the stair climber for the first time this winter and whew!). Cycling is also good.

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 11:59 PM

I've always managed to find the Twin Labs brand when I go looking for them. They'd be more of a replacement for an NO product more than creatine, though as they tend to elicit a nice pump in the targeted muscle groups and a bit of an energy boost. Different function than creatine which volumizes the muscle cell walls and fills them with water, making them fuller.

jag

True. I gave up the creatine during my cut because bloating sure didn't make my stomach look like I wanted it to(and the guys over at BB suggesting only using it during bulking). I did see the Twin Lab brand at the Vitamin Shoppe and GNC. :up:

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 12:02 AM

For cardio, I like things that are easy on the joints. Jogging is a killer form of cardio but it's too jarring on my joints and ligaments. A good elliptical can be easier on the joints. Power walking is good. Swimming is excellent. If you happen to come across a Stepmill in your gym, though, that thing will make you feel like a pussy in no time flat.

jag
this is what I'm currently doing... I try to do it every night, and when I do, I usually get in at least 30 minutes worth, which for me, amounts to 1.2 miles... I always get a slight limp afterwards though... when I can't make it outside, i have a really small ring in my house and I walk around that about 40 times, and mix jogging with power walking...

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:05 AM

well, whatever helps an individual lose weight efficiently... I don't know the difference of having protein or whatnot in a diet... right now, I'm just looking to get down to a healthy weight and finally get out of the big clothes...

maybe eventually I'll get into body building, but that's not a priority for me right now.

another thing that I'm worried about are calories. I like nuts and whatnot, but they're so high on calories, and that's what you're burning to begin with, right?

You have to look at the macros, though, and the type of nutrients you are taking in. Everyone shies away from the fats, but a lot of them are crucial to a properly functioning system and some fats are very good for you (fish oil, olive oil, coconut oil, oil in nuts). Carbs and sugar are what will convert to fat in the body if you aren't burning them off completely. Do yourself a favor and set up an account at Fitday.com and start tracking your dietary intake. You need to figure out your optimal caloric burn rate for your height/weight/age/fitness level/goals and then strive to get the right caloric macro mix and intake to meet those goals. Roughly ~500 calories below your optimal intake while keeping your cardio going will help you lose the weight you're after. Roughly 1-2 pounds per week is safe to lose. Any more than that is not very healthy. There are a bunch of different caloric and fitness calculators here that you can use:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/calculators.htm

So figure out your optimal caloric burn rate and then start getting your diet in order and tracked on Fitday.com. A higher protein intake will help as well, so a 55% ratio of protein, 30% carbs and 15% fats would probably serve you well. And keep the water intake high (like, a gallon a day). It will flush the toxins out of your system as you burn off fat and help keep your kidneys clear from all that protein you're eating.

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:06 AM

True. I gave up the creatine during my cut because bloating sure didn't make my stomach look like I wanted it to(and the guys over at BB suggesting only using it during bulking). I did see the Twin Lab brand at the Vitamin Shoppe and GNC. :up:

Creatine doesn't do jack for me, though it will turn me into a power mulcher. :dry: I avoid it.

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:08 AM

this is what I'm currently doing... I try to do it every night, and when I do, I usually get in at least 30 minutes worth, which for me, amounts to 1.2 miles... I always get a slight limp afterwards though... when I can't make it outside, i have a really small ring in my house and I walk around that about 40 times, and mix jogging with power walking...

That's good. Jump rope is a cheap and easy way to get some extra cardio in. For maximum fat burning, try doing your walking in the mornings when you get up and before you eat breakfast. 30 minutes should be perfect. Then get home and have a decent breakfast of say, some oatmeal and a couple eggs. :up:

jag

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:11 AM

Creatine doesn't do jack for me, though it will turn me into a power mulcher. :dry: I avoid it.

jag

I was honestly expecting much better results. Sure, I was happy when I was on it, but now that I've been off for like a month...I feel the same with only slight shrinking and loss of the watery feel to my muscles.

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 12:14 AM

That's good. Jump rope is a cheap and easy way to get some extra cardio in. For maximum fat burning, try doing your walking in the mornings when you get up and before you eat breakfast. 30 minutes should be perfect. Then get home and have a decent breakfast of say, some oatmeal and a couple eggs. :up:

jag
I'll definitely give it a try...

I've never been too much of a breakfast person though, but I'll give it a try... and when you say eggs, you mean raw or what?

I also want to thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

AndThePickles

01-19-2007, 12:15 AM

No raw eggs!

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:16 AM

I was honestly expecting much better results. Sure, I was happy when I was on it, but now that I've been off for like a month...I feel the same with only slight shrinking and loss of the watery feel to my muscles.

Invest your money in some Waxy Maize Starch or Vitargo. You'll get a lot more out of it in the long run that creatine, IMHO. If you eat red meat a couple times a week or more, creatine probably isn't going to do much for you. Everyone thing's it's magic stuff, but I think it's all in their heads.

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:19 AM

I'll definitely give it a try...

I've never been too much of a breakfast person though, but I'll give it a try... and when you say eggs, you mean raw or what?

I also want to thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

No, cook those eggs. Humans can't digest raw egg whites and they can actually cause a host of health problems including a Vitamin H deficiency (Google that if you want to be frightened) if you eat too many of them. Cooked, though, they're an excellent source of protein. And get the cage-free, vegetarian-fed, hormone free eggs. They're not much more in price if you shop around a bit and the flavor is ten times better, as is the omega-6 and 3 content. The yolks aren't bad for you and don't cause high cholesterol. So make a bowl of oatmeal and enjoy a couple scrambled eggs. Morning is an optimal time for feeding your body as it will process it most efficiently and your metabolism will rev up. Number one mistake of people trying to lose weight is undereating and a lot of them skip breakfast.

jag

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:19 AM

Invest your money in some Waxy Maize Starch or Vitargo. You'll get a lot more out of it in the long run that creatine, IMHO. If you eat red meat a couple times a week or more, creatine probably isn't going to do much for you. Everyone thing's it's magic stuff, but I think it's all in their heads.

jag

Do the two combat each other?

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 12:19 AM

No raw eggs!
that's why I was asking... I don't think fried eggs is all that healthy...

No, cook those eggs. Humans can't digest raw egg whites and they can actually cause a host of health problems including a Vitamin H deficiency (Google that if you want to be frightened) if you eat too many of them. Cooked, though, they're an excellent source of protein. And get the cage-free, vegetarian-fed, hormone free eggs. They're not much more in price if you shop around a bit and the flavor is ten times better, as is the omega-6 and 3 content. The yolks aren't bad for you and don't cause high cholesterol. So make a bowl of oatmeal and enjoy a couple scrambled eggs. Morning is an optimal time for feeding your body as it will process it most efficiently and your metabolism will rev up. Number one mistake of people trying to lose weight is undereating and a lot of them skip breakfast.

alrighty then... I'll definitely give the egg thing a try.

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:20 AM

Do the two combat each other?

No. Your body can only use so much creatine, though. The rest just gets pissed out.

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:21 AM

that's why I was asking... I don't think fried eggs is all that healthy...

What makes fried eggs unhealthy is all the oil and butter people tend to cook them in. I have a teflon electric griddle I do my fried eggs on; no oil required. Or boil them. Or get one of those microwave egg poachers. :up:

jag

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 12:24 AM

What makes fried eggs unhealthy is all the oil and butter people tend to cook them in. I have a teflon electric griddle I do my fried eggs on; no oil required. Or boil them. Or get one of those microwave egg poachers. :up:

jag
lol, well duh, why didn't I think of that one?...

thanks for the advice.

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:26 AM

lol, well duh, why didn't I think of that one?...

thanks for the advice.

Boiled egg whites are the way I choose to eat my eggs :up:

Excel

01-19-2007, 12:28 AM

well i wanna burn off the fat i want to within 2 months. what should i do? does starving yourself really work?

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:29 AM

Boiled egg whites are the way I choose to eat my eggs :up:

Buy the GOOD eggs I mentioned above and eat the damn yolks, man! You're throwing away a valuable source of GOOD cholesterol (there is such a thing), which your body needs to manufacture things like testosterone, and Omega-6 and 3 compounds!!!!!

jag

AndThePickles

01-19-2007, 12:29 AM

No, starving yourself is NOT the answer. Not only is it unhealthy and bad for your body but once you start eating again you'll just gain the weight right back.

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:30 AM

well i wanna burn off the fat i want to within 2 months. what should i do? does starving yourself really work?

Starving yourself will ensure that you balloon right back up and probably even bigger once you start eating again. Slow and steady wins the race and ensures you get to keep all your hard work.

jag

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:30 AM

well i wanna burn off the fat i want to within 2 months. what should i do? does starving yourself really work?

Hell no. Starving yourself will cause your body to chow down on your muscles though :down:

Buy the GOOD eggs I mentioned above and eat the damn yolks, man! You're throwing away a valuable source of GOOD cholesterol (there is such a thing), which your body needs to manufacture things like testosterone, and Omega-6 and 3 compounds!!!!!

jag

Where am I gonna find your fancy kryptonite-eggs!? :cmad:

AndThePickles

01-19-2007, 12:31 AM

Buy the GOOD eggs I mentioned above and eat the damn yolks, man! You're throwing away a valuable source of GOOD cholesterol (there is such a thing), which your body needs to manufacture things like testosterone, and Omega-6 and 3 compounds!!!!!

jag

I just can't stand the yolk if the egg is boiled :csad: Yuck.

I like scrambled eggs, but are they too fatty? :huh:

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 12:32 AM

No, cook those eggs. Humans can't digest raw egg whites and they can actually cause a host of health problems including a Vitamin H deficiency (Google that if you want to be frightened) if you eat too many of them. Cooked, though, they're an excellent source of protein. And get the cage-free, vegetarian-fed, hormone free eggs. They're not much more in price if you shop around a bit and the flavor is ten times better, as is the omega-6 and 3 content. The yolks aren't bad for you and don't cause high cholesterol. So make a bowl of oatmeal and enjoy a couple scrambled eggs. Morning is an optimal time for feeding your body as it will process it most efficiently and your metabolism will rev up. Number one mistake of people trying to lose weight is undereating and a lot of them skip breakfast.

jag
these kind of eggs... are these available in a Walmart, or is it more in specific places, like smaller grocery stores like Randalls, or Winn-Dixie?

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:32 AM

I just can't stand the yolk if the egg is boiled :csad: Yuck.

I like scrambled eggs, but are they too fatty? :huh:

Only if you prepare them in fatty oil when you scramble them.

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 12:35 AM

now what's considered fatty? in the past, my family usually cooked it in either canola oil or vegetable oil...

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:36 AM

Read the nutritional label :p

Excel

01-19-2007, 12:37 AM

i thought pasta was best all around food??

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 12:38 AM

Read the nutritional label :p
lol, okay...

to be honest though, the boiling sounds better to me IMO, but to each his own...

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:42 AM

I prefer boiling too.

Since trying to eat more cleanly, nutritional labels have become my best friends :up:

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 12:44 AM

I prefer boiling too.

Since trying to eat more cleanly, nutritional labels have become my best friends :up:
lol, you know, I never thought i would ever start reading the labels... but lo and behold, I do.

I'm right there with you.

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:47 AM

Sometimes it's hard to guage serving sizes though.

Excel

01-19-2007, 12:49 AM

i dont eat good....

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 12:49 AM

one of my relatives, when judging servings, she juts cuts it in ha,f and instead of think how much she's eating, she thinks of how much she's not...

and yeah, it is tough...

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:49 AM

i dont eat well....

That's not gonna help you lose those 15lbs :csad:

Excel

01-19-2007, 01:00 AM

lollll

Excel

01-19-2007, 01:00 AM

if you rlooking to cut down on servings, the best thing to do is drink big glass of water right before you eat so you feel full and arent hungry.

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 01:02 AM

For the cage-free, grain-fed, no-hormone eggs (they are usually brown shelled, btw), just look around. Most grocery stores are stocking pretty big health food and organic sections and they'll likely be in there. If you're more rural, just find a farmer that sells fresh eggs and your set. The white eggs that you buy at the store are usually really damn old in egg years and the chickens they come from are pumped full of hormones, fed crap, kept in stress-filled small environments and there's usually not a rooster on site that causes the eggs to be laid fully germinated and ready for fertilization. That means the nutritional value of them is crap, in the end. It's really not any more expensive in the long run to buy them fresh and organic and get all the full benefits out of them (I pay less for my eggs than most people do for the crappy eggs, actually, after shopping around a bit and finding a good place to get them from). And they taste phenomenal. Big difference and you'll notice that right away. :up:

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 01:02 AM

It's the diet, stupid. Eat a bunch of crap, guess what you'll look like.

jag

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 01:05 AM

grey_jeanie

01-19-2007, 01:06 AM

I have chickens so I can eat fresh eggs, every day.

user123456789

01-19-2007, 01:43 AM

user123456789

01-19-2007, 01:47 AM

Hmm, ATG eh? Parallels were achin the old knees a bit. I'll give these try. Sounds like I won't be doing as much weight with ATG as parallels though.
atg > ||

for the knees

and everything else

user123456789

01-19-2007, 01:50 AM

Bulking = size and strength. Lots of calories, less cardio

Cutting = definition and maybe endurance if you choose. Less calories, more cardio
GENERALLY, thats the way it goes.

to expand on this

bulking = calorie surplus with the goal of maximizing muscle gains while minimizing fat gains

cutting = calorie deficit with the goal of maximizing fat loss while minimizing muscle loss

how you create this surplus/deficit is entirely up to you. some do it by increasing/decreasing cardio. others do it by adjusting their diets.

user123456789

01-19-2007, 01:55 AM

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/msokolik/poland.jpg

The best there is !
nope

these are the best :)

http://www.ironman-israel.com/gallery/coleman_ronnie/coleman_ronnie_19.jpg

http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/Jay-Cutler-AC2004.jpg

user123456789

01-19-2007, 02:00 AM

Check this post for some great advice on supplements:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10765632&postcount=2257

I haven't used the same stuff more than twice in a row and I wouldn't recommend one above the other. I'm going to try Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Gold next (as recommended by Jag).
all thanks to you jag!

i love you for showing me bb.com

seriously

:)

Wilhelm-Scream

01-19-2007, 03:19 AM

When you're getting ready for competition, how many bowel movements per pair of pants is "normal"?

Iceman

01-19-2007, 04:08 AM

Three is the standard, but Spoons is way above average.

Scar Predator

01-19-2007, 05:17 AM

Stacker works ridiculously well but VERY dangerous. I have a friend from high school who was pushing 320lbs. I ran into him 2 years after we graduated and he was down to 220 and lookin pretty buff. He said the stuff works but he'd never recommend it to anybody as it messed with his heart and he had to stop. He's regained most of the weight too, shame. But that's how these "magic weight loss" pills work. :down:

You speak the truth here, CS. I've always been able to bulk up but never get that ripped look regardless of how much cardio I do. I've thought about taking a supplement to help but each time I read the label on one, it's loaded with stimulants so I've always passed. My wife used to work at GNC and she said those products got routinely yanked because of the internal damage they can do.It's just not worth it, IMO.:csad:

Lunar_Wolf

01-19-2007, 08:17 AM

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 08:39 AM

now, if you don't have oatmeal, would cereal be an OK substitute?

Ghostrider84

01-19-2007, 08:39 AM

okay... working on my arms today.... Bi's and tri's..... doing curls for the girls..... lol....

what's a good exercise for my bi's..... want to gain a higher peak.....

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 09:32 AM

noooo way jag

WMS (a type of carb) better than creatine?

come on buddy

:)

If creatine doesn't do much for him and his PWO protocol sucks ass currently, then yeah....his money would be better spent on WMS as it would ultimately bring more benefits than the creatine is bringing him. So, yes.....WMS can be better than creatine given the right circumstances as I have just illustrated. Start eating a steak or two every week and maybe you won't have to by creatine anymore, either. :)

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 09:38 AM

I love me some eggs, I always just eat the white but today I ate the yolk tooo because I got up early to workout didn't get time to eat and I was starving when I got home. Had some wheat bread with it.

Make sure that wheat bread isn't loaded with processed white flour and high fructose corn syrup or it will have been pointless to eat it. Ingredients labels are your friend. :)

jag

enterthemadness

01-19-2007, 09:40 AM

now, if you don't have oatmeal, would cereal be an OK substitute?

Cherrios is probably the best cereal out there. No HFCS and it's good for you (according to the ads).

Jag or Spoons. Seriously, why is it...that Micheal Jai White was able to eat 3 or 4 pizzas at rep time? You've said that Pizza isn't good for you...but why would he eat that? I know it would fill him up and have some protein. :huh: Did he not know that eating so much pizza made his workout useless?

I'm off to the grocery with my mom soon. Going to buy apples, lettuce, bannans, more organic stuff for me. Been trying my best since Tuesday to eat clean, or at least stuff with out HFCS. Which is hard...when almost everything here at the house has it.

P.S. On a unrelated note, I suggest people rent Undisputed 2. Good movie, good fights, nice directing. I just like it. :yay:

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 09:42 AM

now, if you don't have oatmeal, would cereal be an OK substitute?

Depends on the cereal. If you're pounding down the Count Chocula I'm gonna have to go with "no". Cheerios, on the other hand, you could probably get away with. Bulk organic oatmeal is cheap, easy to find and tastes great, though. :)

jag

enterthemadness

01-19-2007, 09:45 AM

Depends on the cereal. If you're pounding down the Count Chocula I'm gonna have to go with "no". Cheerios, on the other hand, you could probably get away with. Bulk organic oatmeal is cheap, easy to find and tastes great, though. :)

jag

The more oatmeal I eat (Quaker oats reg flavor) the more it tastes good. IMO, it tastes better than Cherrios. :csad: but Special K has HFCS in it.

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 09:48 AM

Jag or Spoons. Seriously, why is it...that Micheal Jai White was able to eat 3 or 4 pizzas at rep time? You've said that Pizza isn't good for you...but why would he eat that? I know it would fill him up and have some protein. :huh: Did he not know that eating so much pizza made his workout useless?

My guess? Either he's genetically gifted, did A LOT more cardio than he would have had to otherwise, or was having a little fun with his fans by telling them they could eat pizza and get ripped like him.

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 09:51 AM

The more oatmeal I eat (Quaker oats reg flavor) the more it tastes good. IMO, it tastes better than Cherrios. :csad: but Special K has HFCS in it.

You're learning to read those labels. Awesome! :up: And, yeah, I've found that a lot of the clean, whole foods start tasting really awesome after awhile. I think the body knows it's good for it and doesn't keep starving on the other crap loaded with chemicals and such that are such a huge part of most people's diets these days so it starts appreciating and craving it more.

jag

enterthemadness

01-19-2007, 09:52 AM

My guess? Either he's genetically gifted, did A LOT more cardio than he would have had to otherwise, or was having a little fun with his fans by telling them they could eat pizza and get ripped like him.

jag

Well, if I remember right, he did work out 3 or 4 hours a day while shooting the film (Universal Soldier: The Return). He's bigger now (terms of muscle mass), but at that film...he trained lightly. So when he threw a punch, he wouldn't winch in pain. :huh: I guess he did do a lot of cardio, because he wasn't really that big in the film.

Karea07

01-19-2007, 09:58 AM

man i am pissed. i've been working out a lot more lately to gain muscle, so ive been eating like a pig, taking protein shakes and supplements... and ended up losing weight! what the hell?

enterthemadness

01-19-2007, 10:00 AM

You're learning to read those labels. Awesome! :up: And, yeah, I've found that a lot of the clean, whole foods start tasting really awesome after awhile. I think the body knows it's good for it and doesn't keep starving on the other crap loaded with chemicals and such that are such a huge part of most people's diets these days so it starts appreciating and craving it more.

jag

I read the labels...just not all the time. Been doing it more though since Tuesday. Which brings me to the question: What are your thoughts on Tostito's chip scoops? It does have Veg Oil, Corn Oil, Sunflower and Soybean Oil in them. Is it really bad for you though? I had some once a few days back, due to lack of food I could find without HFCS. I also had pea soup for dinner last night with fat free no salt crackers. Was this bad? I didn't see no HFCS in them.

enterthemadness

01-19-2007, 10:03 AM

man i am pissed. i've been working out a lot more lately to gain muscle, so ive been eating like a pig, taking protein shakes and supplements... and ended up losing weight! what the hell?

:huh: losing fat? I've lost some weight since Tuesday trying to eat clean. Not a lot though.

Karea07

01-19-2007, 10:07 AM

Well I am only 142 and 5'9" so I don't have fat to lose... but somehow i keep losing weight :confused: i was 145 before i started really getting serious about gaining muscle (almost 2 weeks ago)

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 10:14 AM

Depends on the cereal. If you're pounding down the Count Chocula I'm gonna have to go with "no". Cheerios, on the other hand, you could probably get away with. Bulk organic oatmeal is cheap, easy to find and tastes great, though. :)

jag
it was "Life Vanilla Yogurt Crunch", but tonight I'm going shopping and getting some Omega 3 eggs and some oatmeal.

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 11:35 AM

nope

these are the best :)

http://www.ironman-israel.com/gallery/coleman_ronnie/coleman_ronnie_19.jpg

http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/Jay-Cutler-AC2004.jpg

I'll take strongman over olympia anyday.

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 11:38 AM

Three is the standard, but Spoons is way above average.

Actually sucka, Jag's teased me for ages b/c I hold the World Record for least bowel movements for a human being :o

Fran

01-19-2007, 11:39 AM

Actually sucka, Jag's teased me for ages b/c I hold the World Record for least bowel movements for a human being :o

Good God! :eek:

jag, is this true?

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 11:41 AM

I'm afraid it's true. Spoons was only pooping once every three months until I told him that was unhealthy.

jag

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 11:42 AM

No lie, I went 2X a week at most. Then I started my bulk and I got up to what people would call "normal". :O

Fran

01-19-2007, 11:43 AM

That makes my colon sad :csad:

Jag, I hit the weights today... I'm on the right track, bud :up:

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 11:54 AM

I read the labels...just not all the time. Been doing it more though since Tuesday. Which brings me to the question: What are your thoughts on Tostito's chip scoops? It does have Veg Oil, Corn Oil, Sunflower and Soybean Oil in them. Is it really bad for you though? I had some once a few days back, due to lack of food I could find without HFCS. I also had pea soup for dinner last night with fat free no salt crackers. Was this bad? I didn't see no HFCS in them.

Remember, you're watching out not just for HFCS but for processed flours, oils, sodium content and all the other crap that's not good for you. :)

jag

terry78

01-19-2007, 12:02 PM

Jag, again, only you can discuss bowels and not have it come off disturbing. Two for two, man.:o

Iceman

01-19-2007, 12:02 PM

Actually sucka, Jag's teased me for ages b/c I hold the World Record for least bowel movements for a human being :oAll this time I had a completely false impression of you :csad:

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:04 PM

^I'm also a 7ft tall Mexican woman.

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:05 PM

Jag, again, only you can discuss bowels and not have it come off disturbing. Two for two, man.:o

I fear that one day I'm going to horribly disappoint you, Terry. :ninja:

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:06 PM

^I'm also a 7ft tall Mexican woman.

That would make AndThePickles a lesbian with a bigfoot fetish. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :dry:

jag

Iceman

01-19-2007, 12:06 PM

^I'm also a 7ft tall Mexican woman.:wow: Well I figured the woman part. :up:

Lunar_Wolf

01-19-2007, 12:09 PM

I had a nice steak with weight watcher beans good times! But could anyone post their diets, I'm not sure 100% what I should be eating!

Lunar_Wolf

01-19-2007, 12:11 PM

Make sure that wheat bread isn't loaded with processed white flour and high fructose corn syrup or it will have been pointless to eat it. Ingredients labels are your friend. :)

jag

Yeah I have to start looking out for that!:yay:
I'm going to do some shopping in the morning get some stuff and check out the labels.

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:40 PM

But could anyone post their diets, I'm not sure 100% what I should be eating!

Definitely take some time to read through this thread from start to finish. Many of us have posted our diets a time or three and there's some great advice about what to eat, when to eat it and how to eat it in here. :up:

jag

Fran

01-19-2007, 12:42 PM

Jag, I did some weight training today :up:

AndThePickles

01-19-2007, 12:45 PM

All this time I had a completely false impression of you :csad:

Oh, well don't worry, he's still plenty stinky :csad:

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:47 PM

Jag, I did some weight training today :up:

Good. Keep it up. Consistency is key. Are you using a log book to track your lifting progress (weight & reps/sets) from week to week? It will help you track your progress. :up:

jag

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 12:53 PM

hey jag, what kind of oatmeal would you suggest?

Fran

01-19-2007, 12:53 PM

Good. Keep it up. Consistency is key. Are you using a log book to track your lifting progress (weight & reps/sets) from week to week? It will help you track your progress. :up:

jag

I should do that. Pickles was right about a notebook idea.

fran

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 12:55 PM

hey jag, what kind of oatmeal would you suggest?

Quaker is fine, really. I found an organic rolled oats oatmeal in my grocery store's health food bulk section that's very tasty and more cost effective, though.

jag

enterthemadness

01-19-2007, 01:13 PM

Remember, you're watching out not just for HFCS but for processed flours, oils, sodium content and all the other crap that's not good for you. :)

jag

Some of the food I got today had sunflower oil..corn syrup. :huh: corn syrup bad? I saw it in Propel fitness water :csad: Power ade has HFCS.

I check on the other stuff too. Got some banana's, apples, baked apple crisps, lettuce, more oatmeal, apple flavor oatmeal (:huh: bad?) I saw no HFCS in it. Does have 12g of sugar though and more calories than reg oatmeal. Got me some natural Jelly, two types of bread with no HFCS, and some Omega 3 Peanut butter. Yogurt with no HFCS. uM...Apple sauce (Motts healthy harvest Granny something brand) with no HFCS. OJ. Yep.

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 01:18 PM

enterthemadness

01-19-2007, 01:20 PM

Good. Keep it up. Consistency is key. Are you using a log book to track your lifting progress (weight & reps/sets) from week to week? It will help you track your progress. :up:

jag

I can track that in my damn head. Need to do more bench tomorrow though. I did one set of 5 of 135 yesterday...and I felt it on my 4 sets of 10 on the chest machine. I also did all of my arm work before the chest machine...which is bad cause the arms were tired when I got to it. I need to stay to my regular work out order...even if it is busy there.

And should I do curl bar three times a week along with bench two or three times a week? Also the rec center has this squat machine now.

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 01:24 PM

I can track that in my damn head.

Really? I can't imagine going back 6 months and knowing exactly how much weight and what rep/set scheme I was using on a particular lift, but that's just me. :)

Need to do more bench tomorrow though. I did one set of 5 of 135 yesterday...and I felt it on my 4 sets of 10 on the chest machine. I also did all of my arm work before the chest machine...which is bad cause the arms were tired when I got to it. I need to stay to my regular work out order...even if it is busy there.

And should I do curl bar three times a week along with bench two or three times a week? Also the rec center has this squat machine now.

You don't want to work any given muscle group more than twice a week. Don't forget that some exercises hit muscle groups indirectly. For example, pull-ups will work your biceps and chest to a certain extent. You get bigger and stronger when you're resting and healing, not when you're lifting more. Sometimes less is more and more is not better, better is better. :)

jag

enterthemadness

01-19-2007, 01:28 PM

Corn syrup IS HFCS, dude. The flavored oatmeal won't hurt you too badly. It's just got extra sugar. Still better for you than most of the other crap people eat. Watch the sugar intake in some of that stuff (peanut butter notoriously has a lot of sugar added unless you get a natural brand like Adams or Natty). Still, looks pretty good there other than the fact that most of your food has some sort of sugar, whether natural or added. Keep an eye on that and don't eat too much sugar. :up:

jag

Yeah, I can eat apples and lettuce too. Lettuce doesn't taste too bad by it self. Didn't really look for dressing...the kind at home has HFCS. I do have some frozen chicken burritos. I don't know when I will eat them...maybe once or twice a week. I almost got some tortius(sp? I just killed that word) I think next week I make home made burritos and tacos. I have an interview Monday at Burger King...last thing I want is to be eating there daily/weekly if I get the job there.

For dinner...I think I have a PB & J sandwich...with apple and other fruits/vegetables. Something that will fill me up...but not be bad for me.

Ghostrider84

01-19-2007, 01:29 PM

okay... working on my arms today.... Bi's and tri's..... doing curls for the girls..... lol....

what's a good exercise for my bi's..... want to gain a higher peak.....

yep

enterthemadness

01-19-2007, 01:35 PM

[/b]Really? I can't imagine going back 6 months and knowing exactly how much weight and what rep/set scheme I was using on a particular lift, but that's just me. :)

You don't want to work any given muscle group more than twice a week. Don't forget that some exercises hit muscle groups indirectly. For example, pull-ups will work your biceps and chest to a certain extent. You get bigger and stronger when you're resting and healing, not when you're lifting more. Sometimes less is more and more is not better, better is better. :)

jag

1. I can...well...well...I think I started at like 105 in October. On the bench. Does it really matter?

2. I see. I will reduce the curl bar to once a week. Should I do just three sets of 6 or 10 on the chest machine? Because you said 3 sets of 6 is better, right? I do that on the curl bar. I'm not that good at pull ups. I use the machine one...I'm working on a better grip and form though. The pull-ups...it has a picture showing that it works out your shoulder and upper back.

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 01:36 PM

Do curls and chin-ups for your biceps.

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 01:39 PM

1. I can...well...well...I think I started at like 105 in October. On the bench. Does it really matter?

Just try logging your workouts. I think you'll get why after 6 months of doing it. :)

2. I see. I will reduce the curl bar to once a week. Should I do just three sets of 6 or 10 on the chest machine? Because you said 3 sets of 6 is better, right? I do that on the curl bar. I'm not that good at pull ups. I use the machine one...I'm working on a better grip and form though. The pull-ups...it has a picture showing that it works out your shoulder and upper back.

Change it up and do 3 sets of 6 on the chest machine at a heavier weight for a couple of weeks and then switch to a slightly lighter weight and do 3 sets of 10. That will help keep your muscles challenged. Pull-ups are an excellent exercise. They primarily hit the back and shoulders, but they provide some indirect work to the bi's and chest as well.

jag

enterthemadness

01-19-2007, 01:45 PM

Just try logging your workouts. I think you'll get why after 6 months of doing it. :)

Change it up and do 3 sets of 6 on the chest machine at a heavier weight for a couple of weeks and then switch to a slightly lighter weight and do 3 sets of 10. That will help keep your muscles challenged. Pull-ups are an excellent exercise. They primarily hit the back and shoulders, but they provide some indirect work to the bi's and chest as well.

jag

So, tomorrow I should do 3 sets of 6 on 190 with 10lbs difference? Then after two weeks go back to 170 with 3 sets of 10? Then...after like a month or two, go up to 210?

I'll try the log thing. I do have a notebook. I can use one third of the notebook for weight log.

Iceman

01-19-2007, 01:57 PM

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 02:00 PM

So, tomorrow I should do 3 sets of 6 on 190 with 10lbs difference? Then after two weeks go back to 170 with 3 sets of 10? Then...after like a month or two, go up to 210?

I'll try the log thing. I do have a notebook. I can use one third of the notebook for weight log.

:up:

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 02:01 PM

Another question on overdoing cardio:

I've reduced all cardio sessions to max 30 minutes on non weights days (following advice here). Out of interest, will doing more than one 30 min cardio session at different times of day along with consuming sufficient carbs/cals to compensate prevent muscle loss.

You could even get up to 45 minutes of cardio on non-lifting days. Two a day cardio wouldn't be a bad thing, really. Just make sure you're keeping the BCAA's flowing before, during and after all that.

jag

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 02:24 PM

I can barely remember how much I was lifting 2 weeks ago, let alone 6 months w/o writing something down.

How does everybody get their BCAA's; food or supplements? If food, what are you eating really?

Ghostrider84

01-19-2007, 03:10 PM

Do curls and chin-ups for your biceps.

jag

:cmad:

any specific type of curls.... I ussualy start with the ez bar... doing 4 sets.... first one with quarters.... then 35..... then 45.... then back to quarters..

next is sitting hammer curls......

next is three sets of reverse grip pull-ups

I then do some Tris

then I go back to bi's... ussualy the straight bar....

then cable machine... doing concentration curls... followed by the ex bar... doing half curls....

then more tris...

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:19 PM

Scivation Xtend is a great source of BCAA's for me. Whey protein also has BCAA's. :up:

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:20 PM

:cmad:

any specific type of curls.... I ussualy start with the ez bar... doing 4 sets.... first one with quarters.... then 35..... then 45.... then back to quarters..

next is sitting hammer curls......

next is three sets of reverse grip pull-ups

I then do some Tris

then I go back to bi's... ussualy the straight bar....

then cable machine... doing concentration curls... followed by the ex bar... doing half curls....

then more tris...

One word: OVERTRAINING!

2-3 sets or 6-10 reps on each body part. Hit it hard with heavy weight. Leave it alone and let it grow. EZ Bar and Hammer curls and Chi-ups should be plenty for your bi's.

jag

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 03:22 PM

I've considered doing cardio twice a day, 30 minutes in the morning, and 30 minutes at night... is that healthy or is that a risk?

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:24 PM

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 03:26 PM

alrighty then.

Ghostrider84

01-19-2007, 03:26 PM

One word: OVERTRAINING!

2-3 sets or 6-10 reps on each body part. Hit it hard with heavy weight. Leave it alone and let it grow. EZ Bar and Hammer curls and Chi-ups should be plenty for your bi's.

jag

but... this has worked for me... my arms right now are almost 20"... which ain't bad... plus... I got no fat on them at all... they're shredded.... I just want some new exercises to throw in because these are getting boring....

I don't go by your way... I train each section twice a week... it goes Chest Heavy, Legs Heavy, Arms Light, Back Light, Shoulders Heavy, Chest Light, Legs Lights, Arms Heavy, Back Heavy, Shoulders lights

I throw off days in there too....

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:28 PM

If it's working for you, then I'd keep doing it, personally. At least until it stops being effective. exrx.net has a ton of exercises if you just want to experiment with new ones.

jag

Ghostrider84

01-19-2007, 03:32 PM

If it's working for you, then I'd keep doing it, personally. At least until it stops being effective. exrx.net has a ton of exercises if you just want to experiment with new ones.

jag

but.. get this... the other day I was doing chest... but I had to rush because I had dinner plans... I benched.. did some hammerstrength... some sets on the fly machine and pec deck... then some push-ups....

my chest never felt so good..... it still is tight (in that good way) 3 days laters.... it's not soar, it feels good.... I did that routine in about 35 minutes.... maybe there is something to doing less.....

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 03:32 PM

IMHO, 2-a-day cardios are really reserved for people who've already got their diet and other cardio/weight training programs completely dialed in and need the extra push. Get those other things straight first and get a handle on how they effect you and your goals before just adding in more cardio for the hell of it.

jag
well, the cool thing is, about a year ago, I started the whole walking thing, and I lost almost 10 pounds in something like 2 months, but unfortunately, I had to move, and i gained it all back because living arrangements and stuff, but okay, I'll try and limit my cardio...

I'm just sick of the weight...

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 03:35 PM

I'm off to the gym for leg/shoulder day. We'll see about these ATG squats! :cmad:

Ghostrider84

01-19-2007, 03:36 PM

well, the cool thing is, about a year ago, I started the whole walking thing, and I lost almost 10 pounds in something like 2 months, but unfortunately, I had to move, and i gained it all back because living arrangements and stuff, but okay, I'll try and limit my cardio...

I'm just sick of the weight...

I got my body fat down to 5% by just doing light days when lifting... light jogging.. and drinking tons of water...

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:36 PM

but.. get this... the other day I was doing chest... but I had to rush because I had dinner plans... I benched.. did some hammerstrength... some sets on the fly machine and pec deck... then some push-ups....

my chest never felt so good..... it still is tight (in that good way) 3 days laters.... it's not soar, it feels good.... I did that routine in about 35 minutes.... maybe there is something to doing less.....

;) :up:

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:37 PM

I'm off to the gym for leg/shoulder day. We'll see about these ATG squats! :cmad:

LOL! You gonna be a sore mofo tomorrow! :D

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:38 PM

well, the cool thing is, about a year ago, I started the whole walking thing, and I lost almost 10 pounds in something like 2 months, but unfortunately, I had to move, and i gained it all back because living arrangements and stuff, but okay, I'll try and limit my cardio...

I'm just sick of the weight...

Consistency is the key, not just more of something. People who get in a hurry to dump weight or add muscle usually wind up hindering themselves from reaching their goals. Slow & steady, man. :up:

jag

Ghostrider84

01-19-2007, 03:38 PM

;) :up:

jag

lol... see... I go to a gym that is very clicky.... and everyone's there for like 2 hours at a time.... I rather do 40 minutes of intense training... but i feel like I need to spend more time there because everyone else is there twice as long.... even though I'm twice as in shape.... I mention the clikyness. because I think everyone mostly talks....

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:41 PM

lol... see... I go to a gym that is very clicky.... and everyone's there for like 2 hours at a time.... I rather do 40 minutes of intense training... but i feel like I need to spend more time there because everyone else is there twice as long.... even though I'm twice as in shape.... I mention the clikyness. because I think everyone mostly talks....

That's a big problem with gyms, to be honest. After 60 minutes of intense exercise, your body starts to go catabolic on you (you can extend your time window a little bit by using BCAA's). So working out for 2 hours is actually pretty damn detrimental to your overall progress. I'd hit it hard for your workout and get through it while your glucogen stores are still available (because after an hour, they won't be) and then get your PWO protocol going (WMS followed by some whey 20 minutes later) while you talk and hang out. :up: You might have to retrain the clique but it can be done.

jag

AndThePickles

01-19-2007, 03:42 PM

Can these ATG squats be performed with any type of squatting machine?

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 03:44 PM

are there any websites out there that have lists of at home exercises that a person can do when he doesn't have a gym to go to?

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:47 PM

Can these ATG squats be performed with any type of squatting machine?

Depends on the machine.

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:48 PM

are there any websites out there that have lists of at home exercises that a person can do when he doesn't have a gym to go to?

exrx.net

jag

Ghostrider84

01-19-2007, 03:48 PM

Ghostrider84

01-19-2007, 03:49 PM

are there any websites out there that have lists of at home exercises that a person can do when he doesn't have a gym to go to?

if you spend a little money... buy a bench, some free wieights, and a swiss ball... you can do some pretty quality exercises at home when you can't hit the gym...

AndThePickles

01-19-2007, 03:49 PM

Depends on the machine.

jag

Can't find a pic of the exact kind that I like to use at my university's gym, but here's something close:

http://www.hirepgym.com/images/machines/iso-lever%20squat.jpg

Ghostrider84

01-19-2007, 03:50 PM

anyone here ever use a bowflex

I bought one a while back,... then returned it.. I thought it sucked...

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:51 PM

I ussualy drink my NOS drink while working out that gives me a nice pump... after working out, I take my creatine drink... 15 minutes after that I drink my protien drink.....

I ussualy take 3 protien shakes a day... one around 10am... one after I work out... then my last before bed.... seems to be working.... my traps are getting to big though now... wow those suckers grow fast....

Get some Waxy Maize Starch or Vitargo and start mixing that with your creatine PWO. You'll REALLY start to see and feel a difference. :up: Other than that, your pre and post-workout protocol looks pretty good. Maybe give yourself another 10 minutes or so before you do your whey shake after your workout to give the creatine/WMS mixture more time to pass the gut.

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:53 PM

Can't find a pic of the exact kind that I like to use at my university's gym, but here's something close:

http://www.hirepgym.com/images/machines/iso-lever%20squat.jpg

Hard to do ATG squats on that thing because it won't go all the way down with you. :(

jag

jaguarr

01-19-2007, 03:53 PM

Bowflex is okay for beginners and people who just want to "tone" (I hate that word). For serious training it's pure crap.

jag

AndThePickles

01-19-2007, 03:55 PM

Hard to do ATG squats on that thing because it won't go all the way down with you. :(

jag

Heh, yeah I never noticed the limit of how far down you can go because I tend to stay pretty parallel. I'm gonna try doing squats with a barbell this semester with Spoons supervising, just afraid of injuring my neck.

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 03:59 PM

I'd started taking my protein along with my creatine about 30 mins before and after my workout.

AndThePickles

01-19-2007, 04:05 PM

Spoons reminded me to include the fact that what I do is hack squats. Still, doubt the machine could get all the way to the ground.

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 08:09 PM

well, today I picked up the eggs, oatmeal, and even a jump rope, pedometer for when I walk in the house, and for some reason, a ball, mat, and ab roller...

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 08:19 PM

Um yeah, so those ATG squats.....greatest things ever. I couldn't go as heavy as when I was doing parallels but damn do I feel them. I did them first so I was nice and fresh to get a good explosive lift. Definately softened my quads up for the rest of my workout.

I give them :up::up:

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-19-2007, 08:38 PM

well, today I picked up the eggs, oatmeal, and even a jump rope, pedometer for when I walk in the house, and for some reason, a ball, mat, and ab roller...

Should get a swiss/balance ball instead of an ab roller. :up:

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 08:43 PM

Should get a swiss/balance ball instead of an ab roller. :up:
I got a Athletic Works body ball as well... is that the same thing?

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-19-2007, 08:51 PM

I got a Athletic Works body ball as well... is that the same thing?

One of these?

http://www.sissel-online.com/exercise/onelg-pshup-ft_exercise_ball_lvl3.php

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 08:53 PM

this

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=881154

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-19-2007, 08:55 PM

this

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=881154

Yeah same thing, those are really great for abdominal exercsies. :up:

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 08:57 PM

horray :)

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-19-2007, 08:59 PM

From what I have read about using them for different ab exercises, they are a lot better than an ab roller.

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 09:02 PM

well, at least I have a lot of different stuff to use, so I won't get bored from it...

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-19-2007, 09:06 PM

well, at least I have a lot of different stuff to use, so I won't get bored from it...

Yeah, but there are tons of different exercises you can do with a balance ball for your abs. I mean I can think of 5-10 right now off the top of my head.

Super Kal

01-19-2007, 09:26 PM

the more the merrier :)... I think I like the jump rope the best because I can feel the exercise, and it's weighted.

BAH HUMBBUG!

01-19-2007, 09:47 PM

the more the merrier :)... I think I like the jump rope the best because I can feel the exercise, and it's weighted.

No that's cool, I just meant for the ab roller, I just think it is unecessary.

Iceman

01-20-2007, 03:19 AM

Oh, well don't worry, he's still plenty stinky :csad:Thanks ATP. I feel a lot better now :yay:

You could even get up to 45 minutes of cardio on non-lifting days. Two a day cardio wouldn't be a bad thing, really. Just make sure you're keeping the BCAA's flowing before, during and after all that.

jagThanks for confirming. My cardio sessions (on cardio-only days) are very intense so I want to make sure I'm not being counterproductive to the weightlifting element. On a weights day I already do a 20 minute (very light) session straight after the weights. I'm not planning to and I'd expect the answer to be yes, but out of interest alone, would it be counterproductive to do a cardio session later in the same day after a weights session on a weights day (even with BCAAs flowing)? I know we've mentioned previously that doing a cardio session in the morning and a weights session in the afternoon/evening has a negative impact on the weights workout.

I ask because I often have the opportunity to do a quick second workout on the way home from work (I actually go right past the gym!) and it gets hard to resist. :woot:

Anyway I've got the killer leg workout (planned for yesterday) to look forward to in a few hours. Lets hope I can recover from it a bit more quickly than last time. :O

Mr. Credible

01-20-2007, 03:23 AM

okay, i think i could stand to lose 10 lbs... is there a "get rich quick" way to do things or what? my work schedule doesn't afford me a lot of time in the gym.

jaguarr

01-20-2007, 11:38 AM

Thanks ATP. I feel a lot better now :yay:

Thanks for confirming. My cardio sessions (on cardio-only days) are very intense so I want to make sure I'm not being counterproductive to the weightlifting element. On a weights day I already do a 20 minute (very light) session straight after the weights. I'm not planning to and I'd expect the answer to be yes, but out of interest alone, would it be counterproductive to do a cardio session later in the same day after a weights session on a weights day (even with BCAAs flowing)? I know we've mentioned previously that doing a cardio session in the morning and a weights session in the afternoon/evening has a negative impact on the weights workout.

I ask because I often have the opportunity to do a quick second workout on the way home from work (I actually go right past the gym!) and it gets hard to resist. :woot:

Anyway I've got the killer leg workout (planned for yesterday) to look forward to in a few hours. Lets hope I can recover from it a bit more quickly than last time. :O

Yeah, you could get away with a second cardio session in the late afternoon/evening if you're lifting in the mornings. With extra cardio, you are going to eventually burn off some muscle. That's where the BCAA's will help you. And make sure you're refueling properly during the day following your lifting so that your glucose stores aren't still depleted when you hit the cardio later.

jag

jaguarr

01-20-2007, 11:39 AM

okay, i think i could stand to lose 10 lbs... is there a "get rich quick" way to do things or what? my work schedule doesn't afford me a lot of time in the gym.

Eat less. Don't eat crap (cut out processed foods, processed flours, sugars, junk food and High Fructose Corn Syrup). There's your shortcut.

jag

Colossal Spoons

01-20-2007, 12:36 PM

Walking today is going to be quite the challenge. And I have to do cardio lol.

jaguarr

01-20-2007, 12:37 PM

I take it the ATG squats session is now showing you why they are a thousand times better than parallel squats. :D

jag

Colossal Spoons

01-20-2007, 12:42 PM

Man, I've never felt so sore minutes after an exercise. The whole time, I was thinking "tomorrow is gonna be awesome" Haha.

I've got a lot of stretchin to do today.

jaguarr

01-20-2007, 12:48 PM

Iceman

01-20-2007, 12:48 PM

Walking today is going to be quite the challenge.I'm hoping that's gym related, not bedroom related.

Iceman

01-20-2007, 12:49 PM

Yeah, you could get away with a second cardio session in the late afternoon/evening if you're lifting in the mornings. With extra cardio, you are going to eventually burn off some muscle. That's where the BCAA's will help you. And make sure you're refueling properly during the day following your lifting so that your glucose stores aren't still depleted when you hit the cardio later.

jag:up: Info absorbed and ready to be put into practise :up:

jaguarr

01-20-2007, 12:51 PM

I'm hoping that's gym related, not bedroom related.

Either way, I applaud him. :up:

jag

Colossal Spoons

01-20-2007, 12:52 PM

I'm hoping that's gym related, not bedroom related.

Heh, nobody to romp with now anyway :csad: ATP went back home.

It took me awhile to eat my ego and drop the weight back to do ATG squats but I'll never go back to parallels ever again. The difference between the two in terms of growth stimulation is like night and day. They're far easier on the knees that parallels, too.

jag

Yeah, my knees def appreciate 'em. :up:

Iceman

01-20-2007, 12:53 PM

It took me awhile to eat my ego and drop the weight back to do ATG squats but I'll never go back to parallels ever again. The difference between the two in terms of growth stimulation is like night and day. They're far easier on the knees that parallels, too.

jagSame here on the ATGs. It's not easy when you have to go after one of the skinniest guys in the gym and actually take weights off the bar! :woot:

I don't really get why parallels are so hard on the knees though.

Iceman

01-20-2007, 12:55 PM

Either way, I applaud him. :up:

jagGood point.

Heh, nobody to romp with now anyway :csad: ATP went back home.:csad:

jaguarr

01-20-2007, 12:59 PM

I don't really get why parallels are so hard on the knees though.

They're hard on the knees because you're basically working against their natural Range Of Motion (ROM). Instead of following the entire ROM all the way through, you're putting heavy shear stress on them by forcing them to stop halfway through the movement and then push back out of the halfway point. It's an unnatural movement, like stopping peeing before you're finished.

jag

Iceman

01-20-2007, 01:14 PM

They're hard on the knees because you're basically working against their natural Range Of Motion (ROM). Instead of following the entire ROM all the way through, you're putting heavy shear stress on them by forcing them to stop halfway through the movement and then push back out of the halfway point. It's an unnatural movement, like stopping peeing before you're finished.

jagI see. ATG definitely feels a lot more natural and 'cause I don't get spotted I don't have too far to drop the weight if I fail before it gets caught by the safety bars. Good for confidence in pushing up with the weight (although still obviously less than parallel).

Does this only affect squats or all exercises? I can remember some guy showing me 21s on bicep curls. 7 reps only on the first half of the movement, another 7 on the second half and the final 7 with the full range of motion.

Colossal Spoons

01-20-2007, 01:16 PM

jaguarr

01-20-2007, 01:20 PM

I see. ATG definitely feels a lot more natural and 'cause I don't get spotted I don't have too far to drop the weight if I fail before it gets caught by the safety bars. Good for confidence in pushing up with the weight (although still obviously less than parallel).

Does this only affect squats or all exercises? I can remember some guy showing me 21s on bicep curls. 7 reps only on the first half of the movement, another 7 on the second half and the final 7 with the full range of motion.

It's mostly true for load-bearing exercises like squats, cleans and presses and deadlifts. You can get into more isolation stuff and half-movements with things like curls where your entire system including shoulders, back, core, legs and knees aren't under heavy load.

jag

Colossal Spoons

01-20-2007, 01:22 PM

I've actually switched the way I do bicep curls to allow for more ROM. I stand behind the incline bench and lay my arm over the back rest. I'll never go back to standing curls :up:

AndThePickles

01-20-2007, 01:24 PM

:csad:

:csad:

jaguarr

01-20-2007, 01:26 PM

I've actually switched the way I do bicep curls to allow for more ROM. I stand behind the incline bench and lay my arm over the back rest. I'll never go back to standing curls :up:

Sounds a lot like spider curls, which are awesome. For putting on sheer mass, though, standing straight BB curls are hard to beat.

jag

Iceman

01-20-2007, 01:32 PM

Haha, that's very true. :up:
Actually I forgot to mention the extremely annoying thing about today's leg workout. I got to the gym way too late and there was no room to move. No free bars so I couldn't do any squats :wow: :cmad::cmad: :mad:

Should have just stayed at home and used the barbell. At least I completely nailed the leg press but its embarrassing coming home after a leg workout with no squats to your name. :csad:

This will never happen again. :mad:

It's mostly true for load-bearing exercises like squats, cleans and presses and deadlifts. You can get into more isolation stuff and half-movements with things like curls where your entire system including shoulders, back, core, legs and knees aren't under heavy load.

jag
Oh yeah, that makes sense.

jaguarr

01-20-2007, 01:34 PM

No free bars so I couldn't do any squats :wow: :cmad::cmad: :mad:

http://www.revolutionarywebdesign.com/032203/images/x.shame.jpg

jag

Colossal Spoons

01-20-2007, 01:36 PM

Sounds a lot like spider curls, which are awesome. For putting on sheer mass, though, standing straight BB curls are hard to beat.

jag

The ones I'm doin now look like spider-curls but one arm at a time and with DBs. I still do standing straight BB curls too. :up:

echostation

01-20-2007, 01:42 PM

hey i need some help on how to increase my bench... as in any good chest building program where I can make good steady progress on my bench press? I really don't know how to do this sort of stuff

Iceman

01-20-2007, 01:44 PM

I've actually switched the way I do bicep curls to allow for more ROM. I stand behind the incline bench and lay my arm over the back rest. I'll never go back to standing curls :up:That feels a bit weird to me as my triceps seem to get squashed as I bring my arms up.

http://www.revolutionarywebdesign.com/032203/images/x.shame.jpg

jagIt was all rage (:mad:) rather than sadness,.. which would have been killer-useful in attacking those squats. Ironic (now I'm sad :csad:).

:csad:I just don't feel the same when you two are apart. :csad:

Colossal Spoons

01-20-2007, 01:54 PM

That feels a bit weird to me as my triceps seem to get squashed as I bring my arms up.

Takes some getting used to but my triceps have adjusted. I like 'em cuz it makes it harder to cheat by using your back.

jaguarr

01-20-2007, 01:57 PM

hey i need some help on how to increase my bench... as in any good chest building program where I can make good steady progress on my bench press? I really don't know how to do this sort of stuff

Bench consistently every single week. Add in supplemental chest exercises like flies and dips. Make sure you're doing squats and working your legs, back, shoulders and every other body part. Always try to beat your numbers from the week previous whether that's more weight or more reps. Be sure you're hitting the chest from multiple angles (incline, flat, decline). Eat, eat, eat. Rest, rest, rest.

jag

Iceman

01-20-2007, 02:50 PM

Takes some getting used to but my triceps have adjusted. I like 'em cuz it makes it harder to cheat by using your back.I bend my legs which seems to help with the back getting too involved. Also I do isolation curls sitting with my back against one of those benches with raised backs. For my very last set I do a continuous set on a light weight switching arms till I literally can't do any more on either arm. It gives a serious burn.

AndThePickles

01-20-2007, 04:02 PM

I just don't feel the same when you two are apart. :csad:

I get to see him next week at least because it's time to go back to college :yay: And to relate that to this thread: I love going to the gym with CS, he helps make sure my form is correct and spots me, etc. Great gym partner :yay:

Colossal Spoons

01-20-2007, 04:07 PM

Do the work!

enterthemadness

01-20-2007, 04:13 PM

I had a nice work out today. Surprised I could do 190lbs with 10lbs difference on the chest machine. Those 3 sets of 6 were nice. Only bad was that I did the bench before I did 6 minutes on the bike.

:huh: are there any hamburger buns sold in grocery stores without HFCS? I'm having me some tonight, but the buns are HFCS. To make it up for I will eat more lettuce and the organic Ketchup is tasty:yay: