The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[AndThePickles]

I was under the impression that squats shouldn't be done past a 90 degree angle bend with your knees?

That's if you're doing parallel squats I believe.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ah, so I see, well some what.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Thinking about joining bodybuilding.com

Any other websites you guys would reccommend? What sites do you guys belong to?

[Super Kal]

hey jag, what is your opinion on HIIT?

http://www.musclemedia.com/training/hiit.asp

[jaguarr]

hey jag, what is your opinion on HIIT?

http://www.musclemedia.com/training/hiit.asp

It's effective and very popular for a reason.

jag

[jaguarr]

Thinking about joining bodybuilding.com

Any other websites you guys would reccommend? What sites do you guys belong to?


BB.com is the most complete and has the most information available in one spot. T-nation.com is another good one but I don't have an account there; I just read the articles I find interesting.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Sounds good, hey Jag or Colossol or anyone else. What the hell is HIT?

Additionally, I was just reading some articles on BB.com and Big Cat said 1-1.5g per pound of lean body weight. So does this mean if a person is 150lbs with 20% body fat that they should intake 120-180g based having 30lbs of body fat on them?

[jaguarr]

HIT = High Intensity Training. Read up: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=HITPrograms

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Gotcha, edit above /\

[jaguarr]

Additionally, I was just reading some articles on BB.com and Big Cat said 1-1.5g per pound of lean body weight. So does this mean if a person is 150lbs with 20% body fat that they should intake 120-180g based having 30lbs of body fat on them?

A lot of lifters will tell you that they even go up to 2 grams of protein per pound of lean body weight. I'm probably closer to that ratio myself.

jag

[enterthemadness]

Unless it's a kind of lettuce other than Iceberg that won't really do anything. Even ketchup is full of sugar.

Lettuce is good for you...why does it have to be one brand? Organic Ketchup = 4g of sugar. :whatever: yep...those 4g will have me doing back flips off the wall now.

[jaguarr]

Track your diet in Fitday.com from day to day and tell me how many grams of sugar you get in your diet. That 4 g's of ketchup sugar will start seeming less and less attractive to you. ;)

jag

[enterthemadness]

Track your diet in Fitday.com from day to day and tell me how many grams of sugar you get in your diet. That 4 g's of ketchup sugar will start seeming less and less attractive to you. ;)

jag

...I don't even use the ketchup that much. Just when I feel like it and when I think I need it. Now that Motts Apple Juice has a lot of sugar in it. So does the OJ I drink. As long as it has no HFCS...I don't really care. Diabetes runs on my dad side of the family...but no one gets it until their 40's and 50's from what I know in the family. The older I get...my diet and workout will have to change. I'm 19...and I still like sugar. Say what you want...about that.

But maybe...I'll look for no sugar Apple Juice next week (along with stuff to make home made fresh burritos on my own)

[jaguarr]

Errr...if you know diabetes runs in your family, then NOW is the time to address your sugar consumption. Take care of yourself now and maybe you won't have to jab yourself with a needle multiple times per day to inject insulin when you're 40. Seriously.

jag

[enterthemadness]

Errr...if you know diabetes runs in your family, then NOW is the time to address your sugar consumption. Take care of yourself now and maybe you won't have to jab yourself with a needle multiple times per day to inject insulin when you're 40. Seriously.

jag

It's unlikely, through not impossible that I'll get diabetes anytime soon. It's usually when people in my family are really...overweight. Like when you can tell by looking at them. I'll look for better juices next week. I do know that right now...I'm in better shape than my dad was when he was my age. I just need to fix my eating habits some more...continue to work out...and I'm set. :csad: now only if I didn't have bad eyesight so early. Glasses look cool, but still, the eyes age as we get older...that's not good.

[Colossal Spoons]

Lettuce is good for you...why does it have to be one brand? Organic Ketchup = 4g of sugar. :whatever: yep...those 4g will have me doing back flips off the wall now.

Iceberg is pretty much water. Sure, it's good for you but it's like one of the least nutritious types of lettuce. Romain is the way to go.

[Colossal Spoons]

The older I get...my diet and workout will have to change. I'm 19...and I still like sugar. Say what you want...about that.


It's when you say stuff like this that I question your dedication. Seriously.

[enterthemadness]

Iceberg is pretty much water. Sure, it's good for you but it's like one of the least nutritious types of lettuce. Romain is the way to go.

Hey...I have Iceberg lettuce. :o:csad: damn.

[Super Kal]

well, water lettuce is batter than pizza, right?

[Colossal Spoons]

well, water lettuce is batter than pizza, right?

Heh, anyday.

[enterthemadness]

It's when you say stuff like this that I question your dedication. Seriously.

I have dedication...in screenwriting. I want to launch it badly...a solid step to that, I may find out later tonight.

I like to work out...just need to fix the diet. On a related note, prunes taste great...and are good for you. I had some Del Motte prunes...nice.

[Super Kal]

with me, the only thing I have to worry about genetically is Burger's Disease... and I never plan to start smoking... but I am at risk of heart attack and diabetes, but that's why I'm exercising and dieting...

I like to work out...just need to fix the diet. On a related note, prunes taste great...and are good for you. I had some Del Motte prunes...nice.
same here

[Colossal Spoons]

I have dedication...in screenwriting. I want to launch it badly...a solid step to that, I may find out later tonight.

I like to work out...just need to fix the diet. On a related note, prunes taste great...and are good for you. I had some Del Motte prunes...nice.

Ah, so working out is just more of a hobby for you?

[jaguarr]

You don't need to be overweight to get diabetes and age isn't a factor either if it runs in your family. Seriously. Not something to EFF around with.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Never thought somebody would need to be encouraged to NOT GET DIABETES.

[Super Kal]

You don't need to be overweight to get diabetes and age isn't a factor either if it runs in your family. Seriously. Not something to EFF around with.

jag
you run the risk of getting Type 2.

[Colossal Spoons]

:huh: Jag's saying you can get it even if you're not overweight.

[y2jversion1]

You don't need to be overweight or older to be at risk of heart disease either. The amount of arterial plaque buildup, high LDL & high triglycerides are not directly proportional to how fat you are. What happens "inside" can only be told by regular bloodwork done (ie. at least 1ce a year) - you can look small and slim and whatnot outside, but you can be wreaking havok on the inside.

[enterthemadness]

Ah, so working out is just more of a hobby for you?

If I had to pick one...I would go with Screenwriting. I like working out...but coming up with characters, a story, dialouge (Yes, spelled wrong)...I just like it more. I don't want to be fat...but I really want my career to launch. At first, I was just awful at writing. The more I wrote...the better I got. I'm not great, but I'm decent enough to make it in the biz...rather it's writing DTV or TV. Can't say theater release unless it is big budget.

I like lifting weights and don't want to give that up...it's much easier than coming up with a good story imho. Both are fun though...except those squats. To quote my H.S. Coach If Squats were fun, we'd do them everyday.

On a related note...I boxed some today. On the boxing bag. I learned I need to get better with that as well. Because when you slightly strained/injure your knuckles on your right hand while punching a boxing bag...you're not that good. My hand is fine now.

[jaguarr]

If it runs in your family strong enough, you don't need to be overweight to get diabetes.

jag

[Super Kal]

:huh: Jag's saying you can get it even if you're not overweight.
not type 2, but yes you can get type 1 diabetes... my father got type 1 diabetes when he was 13, and he's now 54

[jaguarr]

You don't need to be overweight to be at risk of heart disease either. The amount of arterial plaque buildup, high LDL & high triglycerides are not directly proportional to how fat you are. What happens "inside" can only be told by regular bloodwork done (ie. at least 1ce a year) - you can look small and slim and whatnot outside, but you can be wreaking havok on the inside.

:up: Yep. I have to watch my LDL's, triglycerides and blood pressure and I'm in excellent shape. Problems with those things run in my family on my Mother's side. In fact, my mother and my Uncle (her brother) are both thin and in very good physical shape and they have high cholesterol.

jag

[jaguarr]

not type 2, but yes you can get type 1 diabetes... my father got type 1 diabetes when he was 13, and he's now 54

Type 1's not much funner than Type 2 and can easily lead to Type 2 if left unchecked. My point is, if you know certain problems run in your family, don't ignore them until they become a problem for you, too. Take preventative measures. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

If I had to pick one...I would go with Screenwriting. I like working out...but coming up with characters, a story, dialouge (Yes, spelled wrong)...I just like it more. I don't want to be fat...but I really want my career to launch. At first, I was just awful at writing. The more I wrote...the better I got. I'm not great, but I'm decent enough to make it in the biz...rather it's writing DTV or TV. Can't say theater release unless it is big budget.

I like lifting weights and don't want to give that up...it's much easier than coming up with a good story imho. Both are fun though...except those squats. To quote my H.S. Coach If Squats were fun, we'd do them everyday.

On a related note...I boxed some today. On the boxing bag. I learned I need to get better with that as well. Because when you slightly strained/injure your knuckles on your right hand while punching a boxing bag...you're not that good. My hand is fine now.


...


What I meant was; screenwriting is your passion, but working out is just something you do for fun right?

[enterthemadness]

Never thought somebody would need to be encouraged to NOT GET DIABETES.

I could make a joke right there...but I fear an Ban or IP Ban.

[Super Kal]

Type 1's not much funner than Type 2 and can easily lead to Type 2 if left unchecked. My point is, if you know certain problems run in your family, don't ignore them until they become a problem for you, too. Take preventative measures. :up:

jag
I agree with you, jag... I hate to see what my father has to do every day for the rest of his life...

[enterthemadness]

...


What I meant was; screenwriting is your passion, but working out is just something you do for fun right?

When you put it that way...no, because I'm not like :yay: this is fun. Woohoo! I have some fun writing spec script and fan fiction, but I also take it serious. I don't take fan fiction so serious...I do it to mainly keep my writing fresh. Don't want to be rusty when writing a new script. I'm am taking the new fan fiction story I'm co-writing serious while having some fun. It's good unlike the fan fiction I've wrote. Not that it was bad, just not as good as the current one I'm co-writing. Probably has to do with a better story.


I guess lifting weights is a semi-serious hobby. I'm trying to eat better now...I'm eating better now than the other times I lifted.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok :dry:

[enterthemadness]

Ok :dry:

If it wasn't for this thread, I probably wouldn't even be making attempt at eating right.

Hammer curls. Do they work out you forearms or just some part of your arm? I've included them in my workout this week.

[y2jversion1]

More good info:

5 Reasons Why Alcohol Will Destroy Your Muscle Gains


I receive emails every single day from aspiring muscle-builders all over the world, and one of the most common questions I’m asked is “does drinking really affect the muscle growth process?” I’m sorry to say it, but yes, too much alcohol will almost definitely have a significant negative impact on your muscle-building results. Alcohol is far more harmful than most people think, and it’s very important that you understand how this drug (yes, alcohol is a drug) is affecting your progress. This is not an anti-drug speech, but if you’re serious about achieving a truly impressive physique, you should definitely be aware of the 5 main ways that alcohol is slowing down your gains…

1) It negatively affects protein synthesis.

Protein synthesis is the process where amino acids are joined together to form complete proteins. Excessive alcohol consumption slows this process down by up to 20%, and since your muscles are made up of protein, you can see how this is a problem.

2) It lowers testosterone levels and increases estrogen.

Testosterone is the most important muscle-building hormone in your body. One of the limiting factors that determines how much muscle a person can gain is their level of free-flowing testosterone.


3) It causes dehydration.

The kidneys must filter very large amounts of water in order to break down the alcohol, and this can result in severe dehydration within the body. Water plays an absolutely crucial role in the muscle-building process, and being even slightly dehydrated is a recipe for disaster. The muscles alone are comprised of 70% water.

4) It depletes the body of vitamins and minerals.

Alcohol consumption causes vitamins A, C, the B's, calcium, zinc and phosphorus to all be drained at rapid rates. Vitamins and minerals keep every little process in your body functioning properly, and many of these processes involve muscle growth and maintenance.

5) It increases fat storage.

With 7 empty calories per gram, alcohol can actually be quite fattening. Alcohol also disrupts the Kreb’s Cycle, which plays an important role in fat burning.

It’s important to have fun in life, but too much fun can lead to problems. If you’re serious about achieving significant muscle-building results, you definitely need to monitor your intake of alcohol and make sure that you are consuming it in moderation. A few drinks here and there shouldn’t be a problem, but if you find yourself drinking every weekend you can almost certainly kiss your muscle gains goodbye.

If you do decide to go out and party, make sure to drink plenty of water and to properly nourish yourself with vitamins/minerals and a protein rich meal.

I don’t recommend revolving your entire life around your muscle-building program, so don’t be afraid to go out and have a good time once in a while. Just make sure to keep your drinking nights infrequent (no more than once a month) and properly nourish yourself to lessen its effects. As long as you monitor what you’re doing you can achieve an impressive physique and have a social life at the same time.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Why would you show me that!? :cmad:



:csad:



Edit: nvm, it says "excessive consumption" Whew

[y2jversion1]

If it wasn't for this thread, I probably wouldn't even be making attempt at eating right.

Hammer curls. Do they work out you forearms or just some part of your arm? I've included them in my workout this week.

Hammers will hit your brachialis, biceps as well as your forearms. Are you looking for specific forearm exercises?

[y2jversion1]

^Why would you show me that!? :cmad:



:csad:

To shatter your youthful recreation & fun :woot:

[echostation]

Jag... Type 1 doesn't progress to type II generally... they're two pretty separate phenoms

One deals with poor response to insulin or deficient post signalling receptors to insulin while the other is more an autoimmune process (linked to viral disease and genetics and environmental factors) which destroys your pancreas b-islet cells from producing insulin.

Obesity and overweight are strong positive correlation factors with Type II. I'm not saying you don't NEED to be overweight or obese to get Type II if it runs in your family but by far and large most people with Type II diabetes are either obese or are overweight especially since Type II is far more strongly linked to both positive family history and obesity/overweight... Smoking history can also trigger enough mutations to eff you up pretty badly... Type II is a far far more complex disease process than Type I as it affects many more organ systems than Type I... Just an FYI since most Type IIs do NOT take insulin... if anything they take Metformin or other drugs that either enhance post receptor signalling, help reduce the amt of sugar in the blood by getting them into cells more efficiently or via excretion or reducing the amt of sugar absorbed in a meal. It's why Type II's dont particularly get ketoacidotic attacks relative to Type I's... That and Type II's at a much higher risk of heart attack than Type I people... basically if you get type II, your risk of getting a heart attack is the same as someone getting a heart attack who has already had a heart attack before... meaning much much higher... so if Type II runs in your family... your big big BIG thing to do... GET RID OF YOUR BELLY FAT.. This is by far and large much more important... why? because it's been shown that belly fat produces and responds to endocannibinoids which basically are found to be quite an important appetite inducer and deals with triglyceride and cholesterol levels... Getting rid of the belly fat basically helps reduce your risk of further myocardial death associated with Type II diabetes.. If you already are diabetic esp Type II and you're on a good diet, on a tablet like metformin and are doing GOOD CV exercise then it can be managed quite well and your heart and renal effects won't kick in until much much later (the worst is the glomerular nephrosclerotic effects which basically ****s your kidney to Tokyo... meaning renal failure)...

Ways to manage diabetes if you already have it,
- GOOD solid diet,
- tablet like Metformin,
- EXERCISE (exercise upregulates glucose receptors on your cells to get the glucose out of your blood and make use of them to break them down so your body isn't using fats and proteins to break them down for fuels hence no ketoacidosis)
- Get your renal function/kidneys tested out every 6 months or so to make sure that no glucose is appearing and also that there is no protein otherwise this indicates kidney damage since no protein should be in the urine... nor glucose nor red cells
- Get your eyes checked out like every year or two properly to check for no Retinopathy... Blindness resulting from Type II diabetes is one of the biggest causes of blindness besides unoperated cataracts. Get your eyes checked!
- Keep your feet washed, warm and well taken care of... especially later on in the game cuz otherwise you can get ulcers... which will suck beyond belief... possible gangrene then you can't do anything except amputate... trust me, it's not a pretty sight.

Just a few pointers to those who have strong positive family history of this complicated, serious yet manageable disease.

[user123456789]

Hammers will hit your brachialis, biceps as well as your forearms. Are you looking for specific forearm exercises?
yup

hammer curls = outer bicep (what u see in a back double bi pose) + forearms.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

A lot of lifters will tell you that they even go up to 2 grams of protein per pound of lean body weight. I'm probably closer to that ratio myself.

jag

No no I meant do I calculate how much protein I am going to be eating based on how much lean muscle I have and not overall body weight?

So basing it on 120lbs of muscle instead of 150lbs overall body weight?

[Colossal Spoons]

I do total bodyweight. Never heard of anybody doing it according to their lean mass.

[enterthemadness]

Hammer curls will do for now since they work out the forearm too.

[AndThePickles]

^Why would you show me that!? :cmad:



:csad:



Edit: nvm, it says "excessive consumption" Whew

Um, I'd say your consumption was quite excessive dear haha.

[Colossal Spoons]

More factual information, I see.

[AndThePickles]

It says that drinking every weekend is considered excessive. I know you don't EVERY weekend of the year, just sayin.

[jaguarr]

More good info:

5 Reasons Why Alcohol Will Destroy Your Muscle Gains

Great article and very, very true. :up:

jag

[jaguarr]

No no I meant do I calculate how much protein I am going to be eating based on how much lean muscle I have and not overall body weight?

So basing it on 120lbs of muscle instead of 150lbs overall body weight?

You can, but the problem is that BF measurement devices are somewhat inaccurate and difficult to get a good, consistent reading from. That's why I just go with my total bodyweight.

Oh, and good info on diabetes, echostation. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't use the caliper for BF%. The dietician at school has one of those suckers that runs electrical current through your body and something magical happens to give you your % :o

[Alexia Dark]

I don't suppose that anyone has a suggestion for a workout video for a girl wanting to lose as much weight as possible in one month, but doesn't require push-ups, sit ups, exessive lunges, or equipment?

[Colossal Spoons]

You have a trip planned? Or maybe wedding to attend?

[y2jversion1]

I don't suppose that anyone has a suggestion for a workout video for a girl wanting to lose as much weight as possible in one month, but doesn't require push-ups, sit ups, exessive lunges, or equipment?

If you want to maximize fatloss, you WILL have to incorporate some sort of resistance training.

Other than that, cleaning up your diet will help you significantly - adding in cardio & resistance training will maximize your fatloss. Any reasons why you don't want to do the pushups, situps etc?

[y2jversion1]

That reminds me of a quote:

"Everybody wants to get big, but nobody wants to lift heavy-assed weights!" - Ronnie Coleman

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I don't use the caliper for BF%. The dietician at school has one of those suckers that runs electrical current through your body and something magical happens to give you your % :o


I heard those have the biggest margin of error though. Something like 5% off on average and up to 10% off.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You can, but the problem is that BF measurement devices are somewhat inaccurate and difficult to get a good, consistent reading from. That's why I just go with my total bodyweight.

Oh, and good info on diabetes, echostation. :up:

jag

Sounds good, that's what I used to do, but then I read that article by bigcat on BB.com and he said lean body weight. So that's what I thought he meant.

[Colossal Spoons]

I heard those have the biggest margin of error though. Something like 5% off on average and up to 10% off.

I've heard the exact opposite lol

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Lol, well i am pretty sure the best most exact way to measure is if you can get into a dunk tank. Or whatever they call them. If you are at a university they may have one and current students in a kinesiology class may be testing students on a survey type basis. So if you can take advantage of that do so.

[AndThePickles]

http://www.new-fitness.com/body_fat_analyzing.html

[user123456789]

Lol, well i am pretty sure the best most exact way to measure is if you can get into a dunk tank. Or whatever they call them. If you are at a university they may have one and current students in a kinesiology class may be testing students on a survey type basis. So if you can take advantage of that do so.
Hydrostatic analysis.

I think most accurate = DEXA.

[jaguarr]

Hydrostatic analysis.

I think most accurate = DEXA.

:up:

This is from one of my fellow posters on the bb.com board, explaining why ATG squats are easier on the back and knees than parallel squats. As you might guess, he's an engineer:


I'm rusty on my physics so hopefully someone can explain this better than I can, but Newton's Third Law (http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/newtlaws/newtltoc.html) states:

for every action in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction

For example, if you weigh 220 (100kg) and squat 350 (160kg) to parallel, then the downward force is 2548 N...and the force that you must apply to stop at parallel is also 2548 N:

Force = Mark times Gravity + Barbell times Gravity = (100 kg)(9.8 m/s^2) + (160 kg)(9.8 m/s^2) = 2548 N

To lift the weight back up, you will have to exert a Force greater than 2548 N

Now where are all these forces converging? At your lower back and knees. ;)

But with deep squats the Forces are more efficiently transferred to the floor and since you have now reached the end of your full RoM, your skeletal structure & tendons are assisting your muscles in applying the Force to stop and in the Force required to raise back up: thereby reducing the stress on your lower back and knees.

Thought some of you might find this interesting.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

^Yeah hey, guess what? Still sore and walking is a ***** lol

[Super Kal]

^Yeah hey, guess what? Still sore and walking is a ***** lol
lol, I did 30 minutes of calisthenics last night, and I'm still sore... I'm probably just gonna walk tonight...

[Colossal Spoons]

I envy you and your "walking"

[jaguarr]

^Yeah hey, guess what? Still sore and walking is a ***** lol

If you REALLY want to turn yourself into a cripple, on your next leg day work in some Straight Leg Dead Lifts to hit your hammies after you finish up with your ATG squats (I usually do them after my calves, which I do right after squats). I promise you won't be able to walk right for a week.

jag

[Super Kal]

I have a feeling it's gonna be a b***h when I walk... that's why I have Advil. :)

[Colossal Spoons]

If you REALLY want to turn yourself into a cripple, on your next leg day work in some Straight Leg Dead Lifts to hit your hammies after you finish up with your ATG squats (I usually do them after my calves, which I do right after squats). I promise you won't be able to walk right for a week.

jag

Straight Leg Dead Lifts scare me. Not because they look hard, they just look wrong. It's like picking up a heavy weight exactly how people tell you not to....with your back and no knees.

[jaguarr]

Straight Leg Dead Lifts scare me. Not because they look hard, they just look wrong. It's like picking up a heavy weight exactly how people tell you not to....with your back and no knees.

Actually, when you do them right, you're actually applying 80% of the load to your hamstrings.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Actually, when you do them right, you're actually applying 80% of the load to your hamstrings.

jag

I'll need to see the correct form in person. I'll ask the exercise science people at school next week and give 'em a shot.

20% lower back I assume?

[jaguarr]

I'll need to see the correct form in person. I'll ask the exercise science people at school next week and give 'em a shot.

20% lower back I assume?

Yo, check it out: with video and everything (http://bodybuilding.com/fun/exercises.php?Name=Stiff-Legged+Barbell+Deadlift+-+Hamstrings).

And the other 20% is probably 10% lower back and 10% upper back/rear delts.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Ah ha, so the knees are slightly bent. Makes sense and sounds way less dangerous.

BTW, that dude's arms are long as hell :eek:

[Super Kal]

there any way to do that at home without the equipment?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hydrostatic analysis.

I think most accurate = DEXA.

Yeah there you go, what's up BS oh and btw what's DEXA?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hey what type of work out routines do you guys do?

Olympic lifting? Super sets? Plyometrics? etc?

[jaguarr]

I use a mix of compound lifts, oly lifts andsome isolation movements. Mostly compounds movements, though. And I use a mix of pyramiding, progressive loading, static weight and super sets in my routines.

jag

[Fran]

I can already feel my stomach starting to go, jag.

Any supplements that I can actually digest without throwing up that are good?

[Lunar_Wolf]

I lost a few pounds in the past week:woot: I still don't grave junk food.

[jaguarr]

I can already feel my stomach starting to go, jag.

Any supplements that I can actually digest without throwing up that are good?

Just stick with what you're doing and keep your protein intake up. Maybe drink a couple cups of green tea per day. Don't get lost in the supplement scams.

jag

[Super Kal]

I'm gonna have to stop the calisthenics and just concentrate on the cardio. I'm too heavy to be doing it right now, and my tail bone is really starting to hurt after I do the body ball stuff...

[jaguarr]

I wouldn't quit. Your body's just getting used to it is all. Hang in there. :)

jag

[Super Kal]

I'll try

[jaguarr]

Be sure you're doing some good full body stretches after your workouts to keep limber and keep from getting so sore. :up:

jag

[Fran]

This is, like, the only thread where people are encouraging each other.

:up: :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

:up::up:

[Super Kal]

Be sure you're doing some good full body stretches after your workouts to keep limber and keep from getting so sore. :up:

jag
it's not the soreness that's bothering me... a few years back, I pinched my sciatica, and when I do strenuous activities like calisthenics for long periods of time, my tail bone starts to really hurt.

I enjoy the soreness, but not the shooting pain in my butt.

[Fran]

:up::heart::up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hydrostatic analysis.

I think most accurate = DEXA.

Umm so does anyone know what DEXA is?

[jaguarr]

it's not the soreness that's bothering me... a few years back, I pinched my sciatica, and when I do strenuous activities like calisthenics for long periods of time, my tail bone starts to really hurt.

I enjoy the soreness, but not the shooting pain in my butt.

Ahhh, well that does explain it better. Over time, your sciatica should improve with continued workouts and as you drop weight, though. :up:

jag

[jaguarr]

Umm so does anyone know what DEXA is?

Here's a good overview of BF testing methods, including DEXA:

http://exercise.about.com/cs/weightloss/a/bodyfat.htm


DEXA's primarily used to measure bone density, but it can be used to measure bodyfat as well.

jag

[Fran]

jag, I really like diet sodas.... What can I possibly do to curb the urge for them? :csad:

[jaguarr]

jag, I really like diet sodas.... What can I possibly do to curb the urge for them? :csad:


Get two sponges. Wet them thoroughly. Clip them to the ends of the positive and negative leads of a pair of jumper cables. Carefully attach the other ends of the jumper cables to a live, fully charged battery. Every time you get the urge to drink a diet soda, apply the wet sponges to your nipples. The craving will fade.

Or, you could just try some Crystal Lite instead. :dry:

jag

[Fran]

I'll go with the Crystal Lite :up:

[enterthemadness]

jag, I really like diet sodas.... What can I possibly do to curb the urge for them? :csad:

:huh: why is diet soda bad for you? I thought with no HFCS, there wasn't a real problem. I hardly drink it anyway.

[Colossal Spoons]

:huh: why is diet soda bad for you? I thought with no HFCS, there wasn't a real problem. I hardly drink it anyway.

Dude, they dissolve nails. Nuff said

[jaguarr]

Diet soda has lots of CHEMICALS. Really not that great for you. One here and there isn't going to hurt you much and I know a lot of serious bodybuilders who drink it by the gallons but seriously....that **** can't be good for you.

jag

[jaguarr]

Dude, they dissolve nails. Nuff said

Well, there is that, too. :D Carbonation messes with your system's oxygenation processes, too, which isn't good.

jag

[Fran]

I don't have, like, an unstoppable urge, but I like to drink it occasionally.

[Colossal Spoons]

Anything I can't chug for fear of erroding my esophagus isn't for me.

[enterthemadness]

Diet soda has lots of CHEMICALS. Really not that great for you. One here and there isn't going to hurt you much and I know a lot of serious bodybuilders who drink it by the gallons but seriously....that **** can't be good for you.

jag

Water tastes better than Diet soda. Rather drink it by the gallon than the diet soda.

Soda also clean your change.

[enterthemadness]

I don't have, like, an unstoppable urge, but I like to drink it occasionally.

Welsey Snipes. Is. Unstoppable.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/72/Unstoppable_dvd_movie_cover_snipes.jpg/200px-Unstoppable_dvd_movie_cover_snipes.jpg

[jaguarr]

Go with water. That's about all I drink these days outside of some green tea now and again and my BCAA's and shakes. :up:

jag

[enterthemadness]

Go with water. That's about all I drink these days outside of some green tea now and again and my BCAA's and shakes. :up:

jag

:csad: no orange juice or Apple juice? (of course with no HFCS)

[Fran]

Go with water. That's about all I drink these days outside of some green tea now and again and my BCAA's and shakes. :up:

jag

Green tea... I'd have to adjust my taste buds to that BIG TIME.

[jaguarr]

I drink some OJ once in awhile. Apple juice looks like piss, therefore...I do not drink it. :dry: And, yep....green tea....with no sweetener of any kind. :up:

jag

[Super Kal]

Ahhh, well that does explain it better. Over time, your sciatica should improve with continued workouts and as you drop weight, though. :up:

jag
I know...

now that you know, would you agree with me on lightening up on the calisthenics?

i finished at 8.30, it's now past 11, and I'm still in pain...

green tea....with no sweetener of any kind.
I was tempted to pick it up, but decided not to... is it any good?

[jaguarr]

I know...

now that you know, would you agree with me on lightening up on the calisthenics?

i finished at 8.30, it's now past 11, and I'm still in pain...

I would lighten up on them, but I wouldn't drop them completely. Just back off, go easier and don't do quite as much or get as strenuous with them. Give your body time to deal with the new activity. :up:

jag

[Super Kal]

I would lighten up on them, but I wouldn't drop them completely. Just back off, go easier and don't do quite as much or get as strenuous with them. Give your body time to deal with the new activity. :up:

jag
I definitely won't stop, but I'll lighten up a bit...

[Colossal Spoons]

I drink some OJ once in awhile. Apple juice looks like piss, therefore...I do not drink it. :dry: And, yep....green tea....with no sweetener of any kind. :up:

jag


Greatest reason ever! :D

[Excel]

ight i need to know please does anybody know anythign about stacker 2? i bought some today for a good deal and i dont wanna die!

[Colossal Spoons]

We've all given you :down::down:. And besides, you're only looking to drop 10-15lbs. You don't need to cheat to do that man.

[Excel]

100 servings for 8 bucks???

ok i confess i am not the one taking it as i have nothing to be in shape for. my brother ryan weighs same a sme-bout 210-but he wants to get down to 185 by the end of march or when his lacrosse season starts, so this is how hes doing it. hes gonna drink lots of water and eat well and have no caffiene plus lots of excersize and weightlifting; hes just looking for tips.

[Colossal Spoons]

Then nobody needs the Stacker 2?



...and I played lacrosse. He'll def lose that weight during practice :csad:

[Excel]

yep. but hes pretty good and i guess cant afford to wait till then. i thnk he just wants a 6 pac :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Ah, one of those people. He's gonna have to work for it. He's lucky in the aspect that he gets his cardio in while playing a game he likes and he's looking for a shortcut. For shame lol

[Excel]

lol yea

[AndThePickles]

jag, I really like diet sodas.... What can I possibly do to curb the urge for them? :csad:


*ignores the "jag" part* Seriously, as someone who had to get over not drinking sodas, you just have to stop and resist the temptation. Once you're over drinking them you'll feel better and will actually prefer the healthy drinks :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Whoever thought that soda was a good compliment to a burger and fries is an ass. I don't wanna chug battery acid with my delicious meal.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Okay I have another question.

How often and by how much should you increase your workouts and by what?

Does it depend on what body part and why type of exercsies? I am sure it does.

I am sure it also depends on what I am going for, strength, size, definition.

So say I start curling 20lb dumbells, sets of 3x6 reps. How long should I continue this routine before I either increase the sets and or reps or the weight?

I've heard wait no more than 8 weeks before your body starts to adapt to the stress being put on it and the workouts become less effective.

Should I increase the weight? If so by how much? 5lbs? 2lbs? 10 lbs? Or should I add another set?

Does this hold true also for say plyometric type exercises? Jumping Lunges, military push ups, etc.

Or does it all mostly depend on my body more than anything? How well or not well my body reacts to the exercises and long it takes me to adapt.

The reason I ask it because I think last year when I finally started weight training again I moved up too fast and injured myself.

Any help or links would be great. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Whoever thought that soda was a good compliment to a burger and fries is an ass. I don't wanna chug battery acid with my delicious meal.


I enjoy soda with my buger and fries, but I perfer a nice cold beer....mmmmm sounds good right about now.

[Fran]

*ignores the "jag" part* Seriously, as someone who had to get over not drinking sodas, you just have to stop and resist the temptation. Once you're over drinking them you'll feel better and will actually prefer the healthy drinks :up:

Okay, I guess that'll be my route.

Whoever thought that soda was a good compliment to a burger and fries is an ass. I don't wanna chug battery acid with my delicious meal.

Thanks for telling me that, like, 10 years ago :csad::down

[Colossal Spoons]

I tend to increase my weights by 10lbs, for all exercises. I go 185, 215,235 for chest though.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I tend to increase my weights by 10lbs, for all exercises. I go 185, 215,235 for chest though.

What kind of sets and reps do you do? How often to you go up by 10 lbs?

[jaguarr]

Try moving up in 5 lb. increments. Slow and steady wins the race. :up: Personally, I strive for more reps or more weight on a given exercise every time I touch the weight. I work a 3-day split, so I hit major body parts once a week. So the next time I do a lift. I push to either lift more or get more reps at the same weight. I also do static holds/lockouts on problem lifts for me with a lot more weight than I can actually do the lift with so my body gets used to handling that much weight as I work towards actually being able to lift it.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

What kind of sets and reps do you do? How often to you go up by 10 lbs?

I on the 3X6 routine. I've been doing the 185-215-235 for a while now and I'll continue to do it untill I can get that last set in with ease. Then maybe I'll increase the weight of the first set and go 205-215-235

[theShape]

Hey, guys. I don't really have a question, but I just have 2 words for you guys: core workout.

I've always been big on working out, which for me is running, lifting, doing sports, and eating healthy (for the most part). So I'm around the weight room a lot and have seen people working on those physio balls before but could never get into it. Well, to be honest, I never really tried it and figured it wouldn't do much. I was always too busy with weights and such, soming off from playing football and running track.

But several weeks ago, a trainer handed me a packet for a physio ball core workout. So me and a friend tried it out and it's awesome. It's a set of excercises based on time and/or reps. So for some of the excercises you balance in different positions for a certain amount of time, and for others you do reps for something.

We started on the first week and it was alright. Slightly difficult, but easy for the most part. Didn't really feel anything working in our abs at that point, but felt it in our backs. Every week the workout gets more difficult, with more time and reps and added excercises. By now, it's really working well and fits well with everything else I do (weights, running). In fact, running is easier now that my core is much stronger. My stomach and back look much better than they did before. It's a time consuming workout, but if you find the time to do it 3 days a week, you're good.

I highly recommend getting into one of these workouts if you want to become a beast with your core.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Good info :up:

And your if you don't have a core everything else is going to suffer :up:

I think the late great Jag once said this, well maybe not late but at least...well maybe not great either just okay :D

I joke I joke I kid I kid

[jaguarr]

I have a Swiss Ball, actually, and use it in my core training very often. I call it my Murderball. :D

jag

[Super Kal]

I've started doing the whole ball thing every third day... giving my body a chance to heal, but I walk every day, so I'm still getting my cardio.

[Eros]

http://myspace-858.vo.llnwd.net/01514/85/89/1514099858_l.jpg




Im not super tall,but i have a good build. 4 years of football and wrestling in highschool.

[user123456789]

good trap development

[Colossal Spoons]

indeed :up:

[enterthemadness]

:woot: guys has anyone of you here tried Envirokidz food? I had a Organic Crispy Rice Bar Berry Flavor and it was good! Gluten free, low fat, low sodium, and nothing artificial in them!

http://www.envirokidz.com/food

I think I will buy the cereal next week.

[AndThePickles]

Hahaha "Envirokidz," that's hilarious.

[jaguarr]

Envirokidz sounds like something you have to inject if bird flu gets loose in your area.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Sounds like a kids'magazine in a dentist lobby

[AndThePickles]

Reminds me of that old show "Kidz Songz" or whatever.

[enterthemadness]

:whatever: guys serious answers on the food product...not the name.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wait, now you want serious answers? Haha, you consciously eat crappy food b/c you're young and it tastes good.

[Fran]

So ETM thinks eating junk food is just fine and dandy :huh:

That's why I quit eating it.

[Colossal Spoons]

He says he's young and has time in the future to clean up his diet.

[jaguarr]

:whatever: guys serious answers on the food product...not the name.

It looks like a very fine candy bar, son.

jag

[enterthemadness]

Wait, now you want serious answers? Haha, you consciously eat crappy food b/c you're young and it tastes good.

:huh: Here's what in the bar I had.

Organic crispy rice (organic brown rice flour, organic evaporated cane juice, sea salt, organic molasses, rice bran extract), organic brown rice syrup, organic honey, organic canola oil and/or organic soybean oil, organic invert cane syrup, organic corn starch, organic acacia gum, organic freeze dried blueberries, organic freeze-dried raspberries, natural marshmallow flavor (gelatin-free), natural blueberry flavor.
May contain traces of peanuts, tree nuts, soy or dairy ingredients.



I see nothing bad there.



110 calories, 25 fat calories, 3g total fat, 0 saturated and trans fat, 0 Cholesterol, 90 Sodium, 20 Total Carbohydrate, 1 dietary fiber, 7 sugar, 1 protein, 0 Vit a, 2 Vit c, 0 Calcium, 2 Iron.




Again, not bad. It has the USDA Organic logo on it.

[jaguarr]

:huh: Here's what in the bar I had.

Organic crispy rice (organic brown rice flour, organic evaporated cane juice, sea salt, organic molasses, rice bran extract), organic brown rice syrup, organic honey, organic canola oil and/or organic soybean oil, organic invert cane syrup, organic corn starch, organic acacia gum, organic freeze dried blueberries, organic freeze-dried raspberries, natural marshmallow flavor (gelatin-free), natural blueberry flavor.
May contain traces of peanuts, tree nuts, soy or dairy ingredients.



I see nothing bad there.




Everything in bold is a codename for SUGAR. I'm not even counting the fructose in the fruit. The bar is almost completely fat, salt and carbs, too. Just because it has a USDA Organic logo on it doesn't mean it's necessarily healthy.

jag

[enterthemadness]

Wait, now you want serious answers? Haha, you consciously eat crappy food b/c you're young and it tastes good.

In the past week and so I have improved. Eating more apples, lettuce, banana's, Bread with no HFCS, unsalted pretzels, Omega 3 Peanut butter with no HFCS, Jelly with no HFCS. Dinner is still a problem...but other parts of the day have improved.

[enterthemadness]

Everything in bold is a codename for SUGAR. I'm not even counting the fructose in the fruit. The bar is almost completely fat, salt and carbs, too. Just because it has a USDA Organic logo on it doesn't mean it's necessarily healthy.

jag

:huh: Bar actually has little fat in it. 25 fat compared to 110 calories. Oh well...I finish off the box and never buy them again. They tasted good...but in a weird way...tasted healthy...addicting...I dunno. They didn't taste like reg bars or candy bars...I suppose it is..which reminds me.

:huh: why is HFCS in Fitness drinks? Gatorde, Powerade....?

[Fran]

Because you touch yourself at night. :)

[enterthemadness]

No comment.

Your avatar is funny, cruel, offensive...all at the same time.

[JokerNick_2]

Everything in bold is a codename for SUGAR. I'm not even counting the fructose in the fruit. The bar is almost completely fat, salt and carbs, too. Just because it has a USDA Organic logo on it doesn't mean it's necessarily healthy.

jag


what is exaclty "healthy".... everything today is bad for you, or atleast will cause some type of cancer...

[enterthemadness]

what is exaclty "healthy".... everything today is bad for you, or atleast will cause some type of cancer...

Basically anything taste free...which can lead to anger/rage problems if you are the hulk.

[Fran]

No comment.

Your avatar is funny, cruel, offensive...all at the same time.

The avatar, the second part of it, came from America's Funniest Home Videos, where a cat was sitting on a bed and just jumped because something startled it. Nothing offensive. :)

[jaguarr]

:huh: Bar actually has little fat in it. 25 fat compared to 110 calories. Oh well...I finish off the box and never buy them again. They tasted good...but in a weird way...tasted healthy...addicting...I dunno. They didn't taste like reg bars or candy bars...I suppose it is..which reminds me.

:huh: why is HFCS in Fitness drinks? Gatorde, Powerade....?

Because the fat and carbs come almost completely from sugar, that's why it's bad. And it has practically no protein in it, either. You'd be better off with some nuts to snack on, some dried fruit, a protein shake, some cheese, etc.

jag

[JokerNick_2]

Basically anything taste free...which can lead to anger/rage problems if you are the hulk.

so.... water????

wait, that killed that mother a few weeks ago.....

:wow: :wow: :wow:

WERE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!

[enterthemadness]

The avatar, the second part of it, came from America's Funniest Home Videos, where a cat was sitting on a bed and just jumped because something startled it. Nothing offensive. :)

Cats aren't that smart :csad:. :huh: wait...I dunno. :dry:

[jaguarr]

what is exaclty "healthy".... everything today is bad for you, or atleast will cause some type of cancer...

Fresh, whole foods. If it's been processed, it's probably not very good for you. Pretty simple, really.

jag

[Fran]

Dude, cats are smarter than dogs.

[enterthemadness]

Because the fat and carbs come almost completely from sugar, that's why it's bad. And it has practically no protein in it, either. You'd be better off with some nuts to snack on, some dried fruit, a protein shake, some cheese, etc.

jag

What about HFCS in Powerade, Propel, Gatorade? Why?

so.... water????

wait, that killed that mother a few weeks ago.....

:wow: :wow: :wow:

WERE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!

:o good thing I am immortal.

[JokerNick_2]

Fresh, whole foods. If it's been processed, it's probably not very good for you. Pretty simple, really.

jag


untill you hear that theres something in the spinach... or theirs too many chemicals on your peaches....

honestly... eat in moderation.... 4 small meals throughout the day... then a nice balanced dinner... meaning meat, vegies, noodles, salad, wine.... you'll live to see great great grandkids... as long as you don't hit by a bus...

[jaguarr]

What about HFCS in Powerade, Propel, Gatorade? Why?




To make it taste good, duh.

jag

[enterthemadness]

untill you hear that theres something in the spinach... or theirs too many chemicals on your peaches....

honestly... eat in moderation.... 4 small meals throughout the day... then a nice balanced dinner... meaning meat, vegies, noodles, salad, wine.... you'll live to see great great grandkids... as long as you don't hit by a bus...

True. However, people in this thread...lift weights...so you need to eat clean..er If I was actually immortal I would be a ass and mock mortals in this thread.

[JokerNick_2]

What about HFCS in Powerade, Propel, Gatorade? Why?



as long you don't drink those all day long... don't worry about it... I wake up, drink a vitamin water with a b-fast, then I drink a coffee in the morning,.... water throughout the day... a propel at the gym.... and wine for dinner....

moderation is the key.... you want a soda... go for it, but when you drink a liter in a day... your asking to be diabetic....

[enterthemadness]

To make it taste good, duh.

jag


You've earned that duh...but having foods with ZERO HFCS...I see little point why it is in there.

[JokerNick_2]

True. However, people in this thread...lift weights...so you need to eat clean..er If I was actually immortal I would be a ass and mock mortals in this thread.

I lift wieghts 4 days a week, and run 2 days a week.... I'm in great shape.... I've learned you can eat whatever you want as long as you work out, and eat in moderation...

I eat at mcDonalds and still have a 6 pack.... how? I eat there maybe once every two weeks, and it's ussualy just one sandwich..... to be honest, it tastes good... I will put myself up against any "healthy" eater and I guarentee they will not be in any better shape or healthier.... because I work hard almost everyday, and beleive in moderation..... plus good genetics, and a good metabolism help out alot....

[enterthemadness]

I lift wieghts 4 days a week, and run 2 days a week.... I'm in great shape.... I've learned you can eat whatever you want as long as you work out, and eat in moderation...

I eat at mcDonalds and still have a 6 pack.... how? I eat there maybe once every two weeks, and it's ussualy just one sandwich..... to be honest, it tastes good... I will put myself up against any "healthy" eater and I guarentee they will not be in any better shape or healthier.... because I work hard almost everyday, and beleive in moderation..... plus good genetics, and a good metabolism help out alot....

John Cena eats McDonalds...:dry:

[JokerNick_2]

John Cena eats McDonalds...:dry:

he eats subway

and Jared has aids

[jaguarr]

untill you hear that theres something in the spinach... or theirs too many chemicals on your peaches....

honestly... eat in moderation.... 4 small meals throughout the day... then a nice balanced dinner... meaning meat, vegies, noodles, salad, wine.... you'll live to see great great grandkids... as long as you don't hit by a bus...

I don't eat spinach, anyway. :oldrazz: (Tears me up inside, so I avoid it). And I try to eat organic fruit and vegetables so I avoid the chemical problem as much as I can. It's a lot of work and effort to eat clean in today's society and, to be honest, most people aren't wiling to invest the time and energy to learn how and seek out the healthier foods.

Personally, I eat roughly 3500 calories a day in about 5-6 separate meals plus snacks, plus 1-1.5 gallons of water per day. I eat all day long, basically, to support my iron habit. This approach, plus the exercise and eating clean, has cleared up some problems I was starting to have with high blood pressure and cholesterol (they run in my family) as well as some hellaciously high triglycerides. You are what you eat makes a hell of a lot of sense to me these days.

You've earned that duh...but having foods with ZERO HFCS...I see little point why it is in there.

To make it taste good, duh. :oldrazz:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

John Cena eats McDonalds...:dry:

HE can afford to do that.....you cannot.

[JokerNick_2]

I don't eat spinach, anyway. :oldrazz: (Tears me up inside, so I avoid it). And I try to eat organic fruit and vegetables so I avoid the chemical problem as much as I can. It's a lot of work and effort to eat clean in today's society and, to be honest, most people aren't wiling to invest the time and energy to learn how and seek out the healthier foods.

Personally, I eat roughly 3500 calories a day in about 5-6 separate meals plus snacks, plus 1-1.5 gallons of water per day. I eat all day long, basically, to support my iron habit. This approach, plus the exercise and eating clean, has cleared up some problems I was starting to have with high blood pressure and cholesterol (they run in my family) as well as some hellaciously high triglycerides. You are what you eat makes a hell of a lot of sense to me these days.



To make it taste good, duh. :oldrazz:

jag

me man... I eat what I want... which is ussualy healthy stuff,.... but i like to indulge in the tastier treats of food every once in awhile.... why, because they taste good and it makes me happy when I do... that's why I call them treats, such as cheesecake.... if I go like two weeks eating healthy and working out like a mad man, I'll get a slice of cheesecake when I eat out... kind of an award for my hard work... and that's what makes it even more rewarding, because I don't eat like that everyday.... IMO, you can eat healthy all you want, but when it comes down to the reality that the same bullet that can kill a fat man, can kill me and you... I rather have enjoyed all aspects of life, then to have worried about every little thing I put in my body before I die.....

[JokerNick_2]

HE can afford to do that.....you cannot.


are you saying he's so poor, dude can't afford to eat off the dollar menu??


WOW, that's poor

[AndThePickles]

John Cena eats McDonalds...:dry:

Seriously, the fact that you keep looking for excuses is getting old. If you're committed to getting in shape, then you've been told countless times what to do. If not, just do whatever you want. The end, easy choices. :up:

[jaguarr]

me man... I eat what I want... which is ussualy healthy stuff,.... but i like to indulge in the tastier treats of food every once in awhile.... why, because they taste good and it makes me happy when I do... that's why I call them treats, such as cheesecake.... if I go like two weeks eating healthy and working out like a mad man, I'll get a slice of cheesecake when I eat out... kind of an award for my hard work... and that's what makes it even more rewarding, because I don't eat like that everyday.... IMO, you can eat healthy all you want, but when it comes down to the reality that the same bullet that can kill a fat man, can kill me and you... I rather have enjoyed all aspects of life, then to have worried about every little thing I put in my body before I die.....

You're also in your 20's, so you can get away with eating a little less clean. Your metabolism is still really high and your system is able to handle that sort of thing better. I was the same way when I was younger. Talk to me when you get into your mid-thirties and let's see how you're doing, then. Don't get me wrong, I have my little cheat meals and such here and there, but I keep them to a minimum anymore.

jag

[enterthemadness]

are you saying he's so poor, dude can't afford to eat off the dollar menu??


WOW, that's poor

Yes, I'm that poor. No job...I may...maybe...get hired as a writer for a local pro wrestling fed.

I'm having me a salad tonight..with some dressing that has zero HFCS...maybe a home made burrito. If not, then something to go with the salad.

[jaguarr]

are you saying he's so poor, dude can't afford to eat off the dollar menu??


WOW, that's poor


I think Spoons was referencing the fact that Cena's worked hard for his body (extra juice or not) and obviously knows how to eat fairly healthy to support it most of the time, so he can afford to get away with eating crap like that now and again more than someone who's just starting to try to get healthy.

jag

[JokerNick_2]

maybe I should write sarcasm before and after my post...^

[enterthemadness]

Seriously, the fact that you keep looking for excuses is getting old. If you're committed to getting in shape, then you've been told countless times what to do. If not, just do whatever you want. The end, easy choices. :up:

No, I actually read somewhere he eats there. If I wanted to get fat off of fast food I would go to Bojangles or Wendys. Just shocked...he is on the road a lot...but still.

[JokerNick_2]

Yes, I'm that poor. No job...I may...maybe...get hired as a writer for a local pro wrestling fed.



:dry:

[JokerNick_2]

You're also in your 20's, so you can get away with eating a little less clean. Your metabolism is still really high and your system is able to handle that sort of thing better. I was the same way when I was younger. Talk to me when you get into your mid-thirties and let's see how you're doing, then. Don't get me wrong, I have my little cheat meals and such here and there, but I keep them to a minimum anymore.

jag
only time will tell... I stil lbeleive that eats sensible meals, and eating in moderation is key, along with a active lifestyle..... there's no way I'm going to be anaylzing labels, and doing research before eating my dinner...

[enterthemadness]

:dry:

That's the truth. 19 and bumming at home while trying to jump start my screenwriting career and get a job until 1st option happens. That being said...I imagine I would get $0-50 a month writing for them. Seen two shows...don't know if I can improve them...but they aren't that good. Five years running and still trying to make a name for themself? I do know better shows can get them more attention and more $$$.

[JokerNick_2]

That's the truth. 19 and bumming at home while trying to jump start my screenwriting career and get a job until 1st option happens. That being said...I imagine I would get $0-50 a month writing for them. Seen two shows...don't know if I can improve them...but they aren't that good. Five years running and still trying to make a name for themself? I do know better shows can get them more attention and more $$$.

college?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Dude, cats are smarter than dogs.

Ha, not.

[enterthemadness]

Why we should never eat hot pockets. Yes, I know there are other reasons but this is funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdoXf0JK5QE

[Colossal Spoons]

ATP and I were talking the other day about the nutritional suicide that is the "Hot Pocket". God, people will eat anything.

[enterthemadness]

ATP and I were talking the other day about the nutritional suicide that is the "Hot Pocket". God, people will eat anything.

I haven't had them in a while. Some of them taste good...but yes, not good for you.

[Colossal Spoons]

Jay was right though, you always feel like dying after you eat one. I've had 2 in my life:

1: To taste them and I almost passed out

2. To make sure that the first one wasn't just old or something. I passed out that time.

[enterthemadness]

Jay was right though, you always feel like dying after you eat one. I've had 2 in my life:

1: To taste them and I almost passed out

2. To make sure that the first one wasn't just old or something. I passed out that time.

I never pass out. They taste good, then again...it's been many months since I had one. I can't even remember which ones I liked it's been so long. I'm thinking ham and cheese. I do know the sub ones were just awful.

I hardly have healthy Choice frozen foods...but since frozen food isn't that good for you...it's ironic given that name right?

[Golgo-13]

Anyone here into kettlebells? I was a little skeptical at first, as i've been weight training since the age of 14 (i'm 32 now),but once i tried it and learned the correct form for performing the drills...man, it really kicks ass!

I compete in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, so i don't always have time, as many, to work out 3-4 times a week, while trying to focus on cardio and muscle conditioning, so if you looking for a work out that trains both your heart and lungs, and your muscles, i highly recommend it.

I good kettlebell workout can be done in as little as 10-15 minutes tops, and you'll be coughing up a lung before it's over!

[jaguarr]

Kettlebells will humble you in a hurry. I've done a kettlebell workout before and it was a *****. I just don't have the gear or the space to do it at home. :up:

jag

[enterthemadness]

I'm at their site. I remember which ones I loved to eat.

Bacon, Egg, & Cheese (good with syrup)
Beef Taco
Four Cheese Pizza
Ham and Cheese
Three Cheese & Chicken Quesadilla
Pepperoni Pizza (varied from time to time)
Ham Egg and Cheese

Also liked some of the Lean Pockets versions. Lean Pocket now has some Whole Grain types out there.

Don't remember much about Croissant Pockets...always thought they were some cheap knockoff...but they're made by the same company.

Anyway, back to good food and weight lifting.

[Golgo-13]

Kettlebells will humble you in a hurry. I've done a kettlebell workout before and it was a *****. I just don't have the gear or the space to do it at home. :up:

jag
Ah, now that the word i was looking for Jag 'humbles'.

I highly recommend doing 'snatches', 'cleans' and 'one legged squats' with the kettlebell. I like in an apartment but i sssooo believe in this workout that i make space.

I also have a bowflex machine that i use maybe once a week, to suppliment the kettlebells, but i find for 'explosive strength' as needing in martial arts and most contact sports, kettlebells is the way to go.

[Colossal Spoons]

Damn, that kettlebell just looks like something not to be ****ed with.

[enterthemadness]

:huh: didn't Rocky do some Kettlebell in the new movie during the training montage?

Doesn't look hard, but I take your word for it.

[jaguarr]

Ah, now that the word i was looking for Jag 'humbles'.

I highly recommend doing 'snatches', 'cleans' and 'one legged squats' with the kettlebell. I like in an apartment but i sssooo believe in this workout that i make space.

I also have a bowflex machine that i use maybe once a week, to suppliment the kettlebells, but i find for 'explosive strength' as needing in martial arts and most contact sports, kettlebells is the way to go.

Yeah, kettlebells are pretty popular with martial arts training. With my powercage, the cable tower attachment for it, and all the other crap I've stuffed into my home gym I just don't have room to do the kettleball thing. Maybe when we get a different house and I've got more space for my gym gear.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

:huh: didn't Rocky do some Kettlebell in the new movie during the training montage?

Doesn't look hard, but I take your word for it.

I've eaten those words far too many times to agree with you.

[doomreaper X]

I have recieved a lot of e-mails lately....However I cannot fit what I need to say in PMs anymore...so here is a thread about it

Simply ask me a question...I will answer


trying to lose lots of fat...gain some muscle, but lean, not bulky (think Spiderman instead of Superman). I've been running about 2-3 miles a day, not really working. help.:csad:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm curious, what would be the average or normal weight or body fat % to be expected to lose each week?

I mean if I have 20% body fat and weigh 150lbs that's roughly 30lbs of fat. So if I lose 3lbs one week does that mean I lost 1% body fat?

Or is it too hard to calculate like that? Considering that water weight also factors into lbs lost?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

trying to lose lots of fat...gain some muscle, but lean, not bulky (think Spiderman instead of Superman). I've been running about 2-3 miles a day, not really working. help.:csad:


Height, weight? Age?

Goal?

Current body fat %?

Calories you intake?

Workout routine?

Time spent jogging is better than distance. Jogging for 30mins-1hour at a 12 min mile pace is better than running 3 miles at a 6 min pace, taking only 18 minutes.

Swimming is great too :up:

Also playing basketball or soccer are great cardio exercises as well :up:

Eat 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb of body weight. Cardio 3-5 times a week for at elast 20 minutes or until you sweat, burning fat is done when you sweat, if it takes 20 minutes for you to sweat, jog for 30-40.

Simple basic stuff. For now.

[doomreaper X]

1. Height, weight? Age?

2. Goal?

3. Current body fat %?

4. Calories you intake?

5. Workout routine?

Time spent jogging is better than distance. Jogging for 30mins-1hour at a 12 min mile pace is better than running 3 miles at a 6 min pace, taking only 18 minutes.

Swimming is great too :up:

Also playing basketball or soccer are great cardio exercises as well :up:

Eat 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb of body weight. Cardio 3-5 times a week for at elast 20 minutes or until you sweat, burning fat is done when you sweat, if it takes 20 minutes for you to sweat, jog for 30-40.

Simple basic stuff. For now.

1. approx. 6', 170 lbs, 15.

2. Fat loss, not so much weight loss (ie, muscle replacing fat)

3. Not sure.

4. about 500-600 calories a day.

5. running, with intervals of quick weight lifting.

I play b-ball on a regular basis.

A'ight, thanks.

[Colossal Spoons]

15 years old eh?

If you're a "normal" 15 year old, then you're eating a lot of crap. Before anybody suggests any exercises, your diet is gonna need cleaning up. What kind of stuff do you normally eat? And don't forget to include your school lunch.

P.S 500-600 calories a day(assuming it's correct) is not very healthy for somebody your age who needs to grow. We need to 3x that.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

1. approx. 6', 170 lbs, 15.

2. Fat loss, not so much weight loss (ie, muscle replacing fat)

3. Not sure.

4. about 500-600 calories a day.

5. running, with intervals of quick weight lifting.

I play b-ball on a regular basis.

A'ight, thanks.

Holly **** are you serious? No wonder you only weigh 170lbs. Damn bro you need to eat a hell of a lot more. Are you sure about that number? Only 500-600 calories a day?

And you don't replace fat with muscle or vice versa. You help your exsisting muscle develop and grow.

In all honesty you are young so it will be hard to really bulk up, even 10-15 lbs will be hard for you to do. Think about your goal at least 6 months way if not 12.

At your age you should be easting at least 2,000 calories a day. When I was your age I could eat everything in sight and gain nothing at all. Not sure how high your metabolism is, but mine was off the chart. Still is pretty high.

170lbs mean you should be consuming at least 170g of protein each day, but since you want to lean up more like 250-340g a day, which yes I know is a lot but you will see a huge difference.

Eat 5-6 times a day and balance out your meals. Stay away from fast food, once or twice a week isn't bad at your age but that is it at most.

You should also probably consume 3,000 calories a day or around there.

Run a little less and lift more and slower. Probably want to lift for a little size at first then tone down. Go for sets of 3x6 reps for now. Don't max yourself out. Hit at least 2 exercises if not 3 if you can handle it on each body part.

Give yourself at least one full day in between exercises. Ex. If you Do rows for your upper back on mon don't do them again until wed.

bodybuilding.com as a lot of useful into as Jag has really turned me onto it.

Start slow and see what feels good, what is difficult, what is easy and what hurts for you. Don't actually hurt yourself I just mean if the last few reps of an exercise really burns your muscles you'll know.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

15 years old eh?

If you're a "normal" 15 year old, then you're eating a lot of crap. Before anybody suggests any exercises, your diet is gonna need cleaning up. What kind of stuff do you normally eat? And don't forget to include your school lunch.

P.S 500-600 calories a day(assuming it's correct) is not very healthy for somebody your age who needs to grow. We need to 3x that.

I say 4-5x it

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Oh but also at your age don't push yourself too hard, it's not good for you body to work out excesively or lift too much or lift too hard. Your body is still growing so take it easy when you lift.

[Colossal Spoons]

I say 4-5x it

2000's kinda hard to get as a high school kid. He sleeps 8, is in class 6, so with the exception of his lunch at school he'd have to cram 1700 calories in 10 hours.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

2000's kinda hard to get as a high school kid. He sleeps 8, is in class 6, so with the exception of his lunch at school he'd have to cram 1700 calories in 10 hours.

Well he's a pussy then! :D jk jk, that's true, I guess I would just eat so much when I did eat that I think it figured out to roughly 2,000 calroies when I was in high school. Not to mention that I would eat fast food as well.

[jaguarr]

EAT! EAT, goddammit! EAT! :cmad:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

EAT! EAT, goddammit! EAT! :cmad:

jag

and don't forget to poop. Pooping's important too :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Well he's a pussy then! :D jk jk, that's true, I guess I would just eat so much when I did eat that I think it figured out to roughly 2,000 calroies when I was in high school. Not to mention that I would eat fast food as well.

Fast food included, I probably took in 1200 calories at the most per day in HS

[jaguarr]

and don't forget to poop. Pooping's important too :up:

Do the first, the other will follow. <Men's Wearhouse Guy>I guarantee it!</Men's Wearhouse Guy>

jag

[Super Kal]

I'm really trying to cut back on eating as much as possible, because that's what got me overweight in the first place... and then to curb the appetite, I take stuff like Hoodia and Propolene.

[jaguarr]

I'm really trying to cut back on eating as much as possible, because that's what got me overweight in the first place... and then to curb the appetite, I take stuff like Hoodia and Propolene.

I'm willing to wager that it wasn't necessarily how much you were eating but WHAT you were eating that got you overweight. ;)

jag

[Super Kal]

I'm willing to wager that it wasn't necessarily how much you were eating but WHAT you were eating that got you overweight. ;)

jag
partially, but I was also eating massive amounts of food, due to my depression. I tend to overeat when I'm depressed, and unfortunately, I'm usually depressed all the time.

I try not to though...

[Colossal Spoons]

Chin up, chin up
Everybody loves a happy face
Wear it, share it
It'll brighten up the darkest place
Twinkle, sparkle
Let a little sunshine in
You'll be on the right side
Looking at the bright side
Up with your chinny chin chin

:D

[AndThePickles]

Chin up, chin up
Everybody loves a happy face
Wear it, share it
It'll brighten up the darkest place
Twinkle, sparkle
Let a little sunshine in
You'll be on the right side
Looking at the bright side
Up with your chinny chin chin

:D

Thanks Charlotte.

[jaguarr]

partially, but I was also eating massive amounts of food, due to my depression. I tend to overeat when I'm depressed, and unfortunately, I'm usually depressed all the time.

I try not to though...

Have you ever had your depression diagnosed and treated by a professional? If you know it's a trigger point for destructive behavior and that trigger point is chronic, it may be time to get a little help.

jag

[enterthemadness]

I can't find the dream thread, so this thread will do...since it has to do with fitness and such. Well...what not to eat.

Lately, I've had some weird dreams. Thanks to these dreams I wake up early so it's good. One was about me eating frozen pizza...and then eating the frozen pizza box afterwards. The latest one had eating my sisters, nieces and some guys valentine day candy...by accident. Thought it was my box of candy in the dream. Anyway, this brings me to the point...I ate like half a small bag of chocolate pretz. It tasted good...but no more sweets and crap until Valentine's Day. That's 2 weeks of clean food. After that day...it's clean eating again.

Because my mom had toe surgery last Friday, I haven't lifted any weights at the rec. I've done a lot of push ups and sit ups in the mean time. For push ups...reg sets and feet on a sofa or chair. Some wide also. Sit ups with legs on the sofa or in the air. Some dips also. Haven't lost that much muscle. Hopefully by Friday I can lift again. :csad: I miss lifting weights.

[Super Kal]

Have you ever had your depression diagnosed and treated by a professional? If you know it's a trigger point for destructive behavior and that trigger point is chronic, it may be time to get a little help.

jag
yeah, I have... can't do anything about it right now because we're so broke.

[jaguarr]

yeah, I have... can't do anything about it right now because we're so broke.


You might check and see if you qualify for any assistance programs for medication or therapy. I believe some drug companies subsidize drug costs for those who qualify so they can get the meds they really need. I'm not one to go for the drugs right off the bat, but with certain things they are a necessity and clinical depression is one of those. It's a horribly debilitating disease. The good news is that you're trying to eat clean and healthy and exercise, which will help do a lot for your depression. Hang in there, man. :up:

jag

[D.Rex]

I have been going to the gym since I was fifteen (Im now 18) and go 4-5 times a week. Both my legs and chest routine at the gym are getting a little stale. I've been doing the same thign for quite a while. My leg routine usually consists of squats, leg press, keg curls, calf raises and sometimes deadlifts (though i don't do those as much as I should). My chest routine inculdes bech press, dumbell inclines, declines, and chest flies. I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder or anything just trying to build some good solid muscle and stay in shape. Anybody have an ideas or new exercises I could inculde to maybe change and spice things up a little.

[Colossal Spoons]

Because my mom had toe surgery last Friday, I haven't lifted any weights at the rec. I've done a lot of push ups and sit ups in the mean time. For push ups...reg sets and feet on a sofa or chair. Some wide also. Sit ups with legs on the sofa or in the air. Some dips also. Haven't lost that much muscle. Hopefully by Friday I can lift again. :csad: I miss lifting weights.

Hahaha, it's only been a week sucka.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm curious, what would be the average or normal weight or body fat % to be expected to lose each week?

I mean if I have 20% body fat and weigh 150lbs that's roughly 30lbs of fat. So if I lose 3lbs one week does that mean I lost 1% body fat?

Or is it too hard to calculate like that? Considering that water weight also factors into lbs lost?


Anyone? Jag, Colossol?

[jaguarr]

^^^
Too many factors to take into consideration, really. It's very individual, depending on the individual, water weight, diet, current fitness level, metabolism, any outstanding hormonal or thyroid issues or other medical problems, etc.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

^^^
Too many factors to take into consideration, really. It's very individual, depending on the individual, water weight, diet, current fitness level, metabolism, any outstanding hormonal or thyroid issues or other medical problems, etc.

jag

So it's possible to lose anywhere from .5% body fat a week to 2% then?

[enterthemadness]

Hahaha, it's only been a week sucka.

:huh: what? Are you mocking me or what?

FYI. Punisher pwns Aries.:cmad: pwns!

[jaguarr]

So it's possible to lose anywhere from .5% body fat a week to 2% then?

Depends on the BF % that you're starting with. 2% would be on the extreme end of the scale and could be a little dangerous for some people. .5-1% is probably more realistic and safer.

jag

[PhoenixRisen]

trying to lose lots of fat...gain some muscle, but lean, not bulky (think Spiderman instead of Superman). I've been running about 2-3 miles a day, not really working. help.:csad:
The best advice i can think of for someone starting out is to keep a journal of your workouts, to write it down. (and maybe ur food if u are really serious) Then you will start to increase/improve stuff. But I think if you write it down religiously at first, it will stick in your head and you will have good habits after about a month. Then you won't need to write it down once you are in good habits, but it always helps to keep a workout journal no matter what, esp. to keep track of where you are and keep improving. Even tho I am to lazy to do it but always wish I would be better at doing that cuz I know I always have better workouts when I do. Plus you can plan em out better to work various body parts etc. :woot:

[doomreaper X]

15 years old eh?

If you're a "normal" 15 year old, then you're eating a lot of crap. Before anybody suggests any exercises, your diet is gonna need cleaning up. What kind of stuff do you normally eat? And don't forget to include your school lunch.

P.S 500-600 calories a day(assuming it's correct) is not very healthy for somebody your age who needs to grow. We need to 3x that.

Usually a pancake or something with a little potatoes and milk/OJ for breakfast. Lunch-wise, a sandwich or salad and water; if I'm really hungry/need energy for sports, I choose something more filling (ie, burger or chicken). Skip dinner sometimes, or I eat something really small. Lessee... I drink a lot of water and milk. I'll eat the occasional cake or pizza slice.

[Ghostrider84]

want to lose wieght....

put the fork DOWN.... simple enough....... fat people suck.... cancer of society....

[doomreaper X]

The best advice i can think of for someone starting out is to keep a journal of your workouts, to write it down. (and maybe ur food if u are really serious) Then you will start to increase/improve stuff. But I think if you write it down religiously at first, it will stick in your head and you will have good habits after about a month. Then you won't need to write it down once you are in good habits, but it always helps to keep a workout journal no matter what, esp. to keep track of where you are and keep improving. Even tho I am to lazy to do it but always wish I would be better at doing that cuz I know I always have better workouts when I do. Plus you can plan em out better to work various body parts etc. :woot:

Thnx.

[jaguarr]

want to lose wieght....

put the fork DOWN.... simple enough....... fat people suck.... cancer of society....

Not necessarily. Some people who are overweight due to dietary issues are that way because they eat too little and their metabolism has basically shut down on them. They actually need to eat MORE in order to get their metabolism running again so they'll burn off the fat. Not nearly as simple as you make it out to be, and that's not even including people with glandular or hormonal issues that cause them to gain weight.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

:huh: what? Are you mocking me or what?

FYI. Punisher pwns Aries.:cmad: pwns!

I'm saying that you couldn't have lost a noticable amount of muscle in only a week.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm saying that you couldn't have lost a noticable amount of muscle in only a week.


Isn't the only way you really lose muscle (shrinks) is if you don't do anything or stop working out after having developed your msucle?

[Colossal Spoons]

Either that's a crack at ETM's "muscles" or a serious question to which the answer is: Yes, unless you have some atrophy disease. :D

[AndThePickles]

So, random: Does anyone else love the feeling of sore abs the day after a good workout? :woot:

[enterthemadness]

So, random: Does anyone else love the feeling of sore abs the day after a good workout? :woot:

Never had a good workout, as I have never had sore abs one day after a workout. Doing situps...yes...but not so long after them. I envy your abs. en-yyyyy. :csad: mispelled

[Sun_Down]

So, random: Does anyone else love the feeling of sore abs the day after a good workout? :woot:

Yeah, except when I've been slacking and it hurts to cough or laugh :D


Question : I'm trying to build some mass and I'm having trouble getting my daily allotment of protein. I weigh about 165 lbs. and I find it hard to get anymore than 120-130 g of protein a day (and that's on a good day). Some days I barely hit 100 g. I drink a 24g shake and around 4 glasses of milk, try to eat high protein entrees (chicken, turkey, eggs, etc.) and high-protein side dishes/snacks (yogurt, cottage cheese, etc.) But it still feels like I'm falling short. So can anyone recommend some good high-protein foods to add between or during meals? Maybe a good bar? Also, I'm wondering if I'm getting too much protein from dairy. Thanks in advance guys

[Colossal Spoons]

Each serving of my protein powder is 24g.

I have a 2-serving shake first thing in the morning = 48
I eat 3-4 chicken breasts a day and at 22g a piece = 88
I have a 1-serving shake a half hour before my workout = 24
I have a 2-serving shake a half hour after my workout = 48

That comes up to about 208g and I weigh 218lbs. I make up the rest/or go over between the granola I have in the morning and the 2 peanut butter bagels I munch on throughout the day. I limit my tuna to 2x a week so throw in an extra 30g 2x a week.

[PhoenixRisen]

^^
well they have some higher protein cereals out there and since you like milk you could kill 2 birds w one stone...like kashi go lean has 13g and nutritious living maple pecan cereal has 12g etc...i like soy nuts (10g) but i know what u mean cuz i get sick of a can of tuna for a snack :o so i try to look for stuff

[Sun_Down]

Each serving of my protein powder is 24g.

I have a 2-serving shake first thing in the morning = 48
I eat 3-4 chicken breasts a day and at 22g a piece = 88
I have a 1-serving shake a half hour before my workout = 24
I have a 2-serving shake a half hour after my workout = 48

That comes up to about 208g and I weigh 218lbs. I make up the rest/or go over between the granola I have in the morning and the 2 peanut butter bagels I munch on throughout the day. I limit my tuna to 2x a week so throw in an extra 30g 2x a week.

5 shakes a day? Well there's the big difference I guess. Dunno if I could afford a $49.99 supplement every 2 weeks though. I'm in college and thusly quite poor. I was looking more for some food products that I could get through food service since I'm already paying for that.

[Sun_Down]

^^
well they have some higher protein cereals out there and since you like milk you could kill 2 birds w one stone...like kashi go lean has 13g and nutritious living maple pecan cereal has 12g etc...i like soy nuts (10g) but i know what u mean cuz i get sick of a can of tuna for a snack :o so i try to look for stuff

Thanks, that's a good idea on the Kashi. :up:

[PhoenixRisen]

^
It's not exactly Cookie Crunch etc. but it goes good w blueberries if u like those:cwink:
edit: i think i meant cookie crisp....i think i accidentally combined cookie crisp and cap'n crunch in my mind oops

[Colossal Spoons]

5 shakes a day? Well there's the big difference I guess. Dunno if I could afford a $49.99 supplement every 2 weeks though. I'm in college and thusly quite poor. I was looking more for some food products that I could get through food service since I'm already paying for that.

The huge tub of protein that I buy lasts me quite a while as sometimes I'll have salmon or extra chicken to replace a shake. I'm at college too and my part-time job exists to support my supplement and comic habit..and gas :D

[AndThePickles]

The huge tub of protein that I buy lasts me quite a while as sometimes I'll have salmon or extra chicken to replace a shake. I'm at college too and my part-time job exists to support my supplement and comic habit..and gas :D

He might have to pay for bills and such too though, I see what he means as protein definitely doesn't come cheap.

Have you tried looking online for "huge tubs" like CS has? You can usually get a better deal if you order online.

[jaguarr]

You can get a 10 lb. bag of Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey Gold Standard for $55.99 from Bodybuilding.com (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html). :up: You can also have custom mixes done on the cheap at trueprotein.com. I don't drink a shake with less than 48G's of protein in it, personally.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

^Same here. The only reason my pre-workout shake is only 24g is because I take it about 20 mins before and I don't want it sloshing around in my belly while I workout.

[PhoenixRisen]

You can get a 10 lb. bag of Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey Gold Standard for $55.99 from Bodybuilding.com (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html). :up: You can also have custom mixes done on the cheap at trueprotein.com. I don't drink a shake with less than 48G's of protein in it, personally.

jag
hey those prices on there look pretty good i am gonna put together a little list and order a couple items to save on shipping and also get a free t-shirt!! glad i stumbled into this thread!! :D

[jaguarr]

hey those prices on there look pretty good i am gonna put together a little list and order a couple items to save on shipping and also get a free t-shirt!! glad i stumbled into this thread!! :D


BB.com usually has outstanding prices. Their shipping is reasonable and fast and their customer service is absolutely amazing. You can sometimes find better prices by using Froogle, but the service isn't usually as good. There are also some excellent forums there that many of us belong to. Lot's of great information to be had at that site.

jag

[Sun_Down]

You can get a 10 lb. bag of Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey Gold Standard for $55.99 from Bodybuilding.com (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html). :up: You can also have custom mixes done on the cheap at trueprotein.com. I don't drink a shake with less than 48G's of protein in it, personally.

jag

Thanks for that link. I'm paying $44.99 for the 5 lb. version of that exact same product.

[Colossal Spoons]

Same here, I never thought to buy a 10lb bag.