The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[Iceman]

I've seen an amazing difference since I resumed training (only about a month ago). I'm sure the difference is down to diet changes (inspired by Jag's approach), focusing on compound lifts, limiting cardio to between 30-45 mins per day (Jag's advice), visualising various female butts to force out that last rep (inspired by the advice I'd expect Spoons to give me) and keeping a log of workouts.

Good work guys. This thread is officially useful :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Hahaha, how often are you doin cardio?

[JStorm]

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=917176

http://www.readysetgofitness.com/newsletter/5_The_Sprint_8_Workout.htm

Good reads.

[jaguarr]

As long as we're sharing excellent articles:

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1426252

:up:

jag

[Lunar_Wolf]

Hey Jag do you take days off were you eat some bad food?

[jaguarr]

Hey Jag do you take days off were you eat some bad food?

Every couple of weeks or so I'll eat something that I normally wouldn't: a burger (never fast food, always from a more upscale place), some lasagna, pizza, something like that. I do it mostly because it shocks my system and kickstarts my metabolism and makes it burn hot for a week or two. When you eat clean all the time, your metabolism gets used to not having to work quite as hard to burn off the junk. Usually I enjoy my little cheat meal, but sometimes it just makes me feel like crap or gives me a stomach ache. Also, when I'm trying to bulk I'm not quite as strict on my diet and will enjoy more carbs and maybe have a cheat meal once a week instead of every two or so.

And now I've gotta go get prepped for a leg/shoulders workout. Later.

jag

[Lunar_Wolf]

I've been training for about a month now and lost a good few pounds so I might treat myself some point next week. I can taste that chinese already:woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

I haven't been so sore from a chest workout that showering was difficult :up:

[Lunar_Wolf]

My chest is swore too. My shoulders were killing me last week.

[Golgo-13]

I don't mean to brag but it's funny reading all you guys posts about treating yourselves to burgers, chinese and whatnot. Sometimes i wish i could gain weight that easily. My entire family is ectomorphic (we don't gain weight easily no matter what). I basically have to eat and workout faithfully just to maintain the little weight i have, may sound like a blessing but...big guys make the world go round. :csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

I definately appreciate the struggle of all you skinny ectomorphs out there. :up:

[jaguarr]

I don't mean to brag but it's funny reading all you guys posts about treating yourselves to burgers, chinese and whatnot. Sometimes i wish i could gain weight that easily. My entire family is ectomorphic (we don't gain weight easily no matter what). I basically have to eat and workout faithfully just to maintain the little weight i have, may sound like a blessing but...big guys make the world go round. :csad:

I had that problem when I was in my teens and twenties. After I turned about 33, though, my metabolism started slowing down a little bit and it's become easier for me to put on mass.

jag

[Iceman]

Hahaha, how often are you doin cardio?6 days a week. After a weights session it's capped at 30 mins at an easy pace. On a pure cardio day I'll do 45 intensive.

[cass]

I've lost 35 pounds in the last 2 months thanks to my diet/exercise program.

[Iceman]

^ Wow that's a lot! :wow:

[Lunar_Wolf]

Why is it good to drink really cold water? I remember a few people saying to drink it cold.

[Colossal Spoons]

6 days a week. After a weights session it's capped at 30 mins at an easy pace. On a pure cardio day I'll do 45 intensive.

Awesome. I don't think I have it in me to do 30 mins of cardio after lifting. I normally just wanna eat or sleep :D

[AndThePickles]

I definately appreciate the struggle of all you skinny ectomorphs out there. :up:

It sucks! :cmad:

[Fran]

Your avatar is kinda boring, Spoons. :-/

[Colossal Spoons]

Your avatar is kinda boring, Spoons. :-/


Good, boring is good.

[cass]

Why is it good to drink really cold water? I remember a few people saying to drink it cold.

I heard your metabolism kicks in to warm it up. May be wrong though.

[jaguarr]

I've lost 35 pounds in the last 2 months thanks to my diet/exercise program.

That's some pretty significant progress, cass. When you first begin a program like that you can see what they call "newbie gains", which are where you'll see a huge amount of progress up front. You'll want to watch it going forward, though. About two pounds per week of weight loss is about as much as you want to lose to ensure you stay healthy and don't muck up your system. It will also help ensure that you don't "yo-yo" and have the weight come bouncing back at you later on, which sometimes can add even more than you had before. Keep up the good work! :up:

jag

[jaguarr]

Why is it good to drink really cold water? I remember a few people saying to drink it cold.

The theory about really cold water is that your metabolism has to work harder to warm it up in order to process it. It's mostly urban myth and doesn't really cause enough of a significant boost to matter. Drinking really cold water with meals, especially those with fats, CAN cause the fats to congeal in your stomach and therefore cause them to take longer to digest, though. And, drinking really cold water during exercise can also cause a bit of shock to your system that might be detrimental to your efforts. They also say that drinking really hot water can stimulate your metabolism because it has to work overtime to keep up with the heat and process it extra fast. In reality it's a bunch of hooey and while water temp may or may not speed your metabolism up very slightly, ultimately it's so insignificant that it's pointless. Just drink your water the way you like it.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Finally got the pull up bar installed, went shopping last week, going shopping tonight to grab a few more items. Ahhh yes, finally my shoulder(s) feel good again....yes I think it's time to get back into top shape, only 5 months until the shirt starts coming off on a regular basis. Ahhhh summer time....here I come

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Your avatar is kinda boring, Spoons. :-/

So is yours....:D

[Sun_Down]

I was wondering if somone could give me some feedback on my workout routine. I'm a typical ectoform (5"9 165 lbs.) and my goal is to gain mass. Here's my upper body routine :

-Standing bicep curls (30 lbs. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Shoulder shrugs (45-50-55 lbs. dumbells) (8x6x6)
-Overhead tricep extensions (30-40 lbs. dumbell) (8x6x6)
-Machine incline press (140-160 lbs.) (8x6x6)
-Lat pulldown (80-100 lbs.) (8x6x6)

-Preacher curls (55-60 lbs.) (8x6x6) <<< not sure about the weights here, don't quite know the weight of the small bar
-Tricep push-down (60 lbs.) (6x6x6)
-Shoulder press (25-30 lbs. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Pec flys (20 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Seated row (80-100 lbs.) (6x6x6)

-Front or lateral barbell raise (15 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Dumbell bench press (35-40 lb. dumbells) (8x6x6) << I'm slowly adding normal bench press back into my routine, I'm probably only maxing out at 170ish these days
-Concentration curls (25-30 lb. dumbell) (6x6x6)
-Dumbell kickbacks (20-25 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I was wondering if somone could give me some feedback on my workout routine. I'm a typical ectoform (5"9 165 lbs.) and my goal is to gain mass. Here's my upper body routine :

-Standing bicep curls (30 lbs. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Shoulder shrugs (45-50-55 lbs. dumbells) (8x6x6)
-Overhead tricep extensions (30-40 lbs. dumbell) (8x6x6)
-Machine incline press (140-160 lbs.) (8x6x6)
-Lat pulldown (80-100 lbs.) (8x6x6)

-Preacher curls (55-60 lbs.) (8x6x6) <<< not sure about the weights here, don't quite know the weight of the small bar
-Tricep push-down (60 lbs.) (6x6x6)
-Shoulder press (25-30 lbs. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Pec flys (20 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Seated row (80-100 lbs.) (6x6x6)

-Front or lateral barbell raise (15 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Dumbell bench press (35-40 lb. dumbells) (8x6x6) << I'm slowly adding normal bench press back into my routine, I'm probably only maxing out at 170ish these days
-Concentration curls (25-30 lb. dumbell) (6x6x6)
-Dumbell kickbacks (20-25 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)

Sounds good to me, wait until Jag or Colossol can chm in. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

So is yours....:D

My avvy is pretty "no BS" :p

[Lunar_Wolf]

The theory about really cold water is that your metabolism has to work harder to warm it up in order to process it. It's mostly urban myth and doesn't really cause enough of a significant boost to matter. Drinking really cold water with meals, especially those with fats, CAN cause the fats to congeal in your stomach and therefore cause them to take longer to digest, though. And, drinking really cold water during exercise can also cause a bit of shock to your system that might be detrimental to your efforts. They also say that drinking really hot water can stimulate your metabolism because it has to work overtime to keep up with the heat and process it extra fast. In reality it's a bunch of hooey and while water temp may or may not speed your metabolism up very slightly, ultimately it's so insignificant that it's pointless. Just drink your water the way you like it.

jag

Thanks for answering my Q:up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

My avvy is pretty "no BS" :p

:up:

[jaguarr]

I was wondering if somone could give me some feedback on my workout routine. I'm a typical ectoform (5"9 165 lbs.) and my goal is to gain mass. Here's my upper body routine :

-Standing bicep curls (30 lbs. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Shoulder shrugs (45-50-55 lbs. dumbells) (8x6x6)
-Overhead tricep extensions (30-40 lbs. dumbell) (8x6x6)
-Machine incline press (140-160 lbs.) (8x6x6)
-Lat pulldown (80-100 lbs.) (8x6x6)

-Preacher curls (55-60 lbs.) (8x6x6) <<< not sure about the weights here, don't quite know the weight of the small bar
-Tricep push-down (60 lbs.) (6x6x6)
-Shoulder press (25-30 lbs. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Pec flys (20 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Seated row (80-100 lbs.) (6x6x6)

-Front or lateral barbell raise (15 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Dumbell bench press (35-40 lb. dumbells) (8x6x6) << I'm slowly adding normal bench press back into my routine, I'm probably only maxing out at 170ish these days
-Concentration curls (25-30 lb. dumbell) (6x6x6)
-Dumbell kickbacks (20-25 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)


Do you do all of this in one day? :confuse: Not sure what this is, is it three separate workouts or one? If it's three separate ones, do you do it on three separate days of the week? How many days a week do you want to workout? Need a little more information before we deconstruct this and rebuild it. :)

jag

[Sun_Down]

Do you do all of this in one day? :confuse: Not sure what this is, is it three separate workouts or one? If it's three separate ones, do you do it on three separate days of the week? How many days a week do you want to workout? Need a little more information before we deconstruct this and rebuild it. :)

jag

Sorry for the confusion. Yeah, this is one workout done on one day. I just had it separated out to help me remember it all. I do it every other day, alternating with lower body, so 3-4 times a week on this routine.

[enterthemadness]

ETM has something important to say. He thinks that...well he thinks this is the brand of yogurt, but he thinks Dannon All Natural something Plain Yogurt tastes like human vomit. It ruined his breakfast, but he threw it away and had the strawberry banana one. Both had no HFCS or CS, but only one tasted good.

ETM has spoken.

FYI: He speaks in 3rd person now...because he grew bored of 1st person talk.

[kainedamo]

Hey guys. I'm having internet issues at the moment which is why I haven't been online in awhile. Over the last month or so, I've been working out alot. I've joined a body pump class and I go swimming at least 3 times a week. I have a couple of questions.

In my body pump class we use weights. We do squats, ab work, lunges (I hate lunges - especially when he makes us go down all the way and back up only halfway), lying down and pushing the bar up, push ups (very hard after all the bar work, I can manage about 1), and different types of bar work to work on the arms. I go swimming afterwords and use the sauna and steam room.

I was wondering if the swimming in someway detracts from the work I do before? Or if using the sauna detracts from it? I figured thats not the class, I figured swimming afterwords can only be even better for me, but I'm not 100% sure.

[Colossal Spoons]

I was wondering if somone could give me some feedback on my workout routine. I'm a typical ectoform (5"9 165 lbs.) and my goal is to gain mass. Here's my upper body routine :

-Standing bicep curls (30 lbs. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Shoulder shrugs (45-50-55 lbs. dumbells) (8x6x6)
-Overhead tricep extensions (30-40 lbs. dumbell) (8x6x6)
-Machine incline press (140-160 lbs.) (8x6x6)
-Lat pulldown (80-100 lbs.) (8x6x6)

-Preacher curls (55-60 lbs.) (8x6x6) <<< not sure about the weights here, don't quite know the weight of the small bar
-Tricep push-down (60 lbs.) (6x6x6)
-Shoulder press (25-30 lbs. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Pec flys (20 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Seated row (80-100 lbs.) (6x6x6)

-Front or lateral barbell raise (15 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)
-Dumbell bench press (35-40 lb. dumbells) (8x6x6) << I'm slowly adding normal bench press back into my routine, I'm probably only maxing out at 170ish these days
-Concentration curls (25-30 lb. dumbell) (6x6x6)
-Dumbell kickbacks (20-25 lb. dumbells) (6x6x6)

Sorry for the confusion. Yeah, this is one workout done on one day. I just had it separated out to help me remember it all. I do it every other day, alternating with lower body, so 3-4 times a week on this routine.


See, I'm not big into doing complete "upper body" days but at first glance, that looks like a lot of exercises. I'm tempted to say you're overtraining; but I dunno what's normal for an "upper body" day as I break up my routine into smaller parts.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hey guys. I'm having internet issues at the moment which is why I haven't been online in awhile. Over the last month or so, I've been working out alot. I've joined a body pump class and I go swimming at least 3 times a week. I have a couple of questions.

In my body pump class we use weights. We do squats, ab work, lunges (I hate lunges - especially when he makes us go down all the way and back up only halfway), lying down and pushing the bar up, push ups (very hard after all the bar work, I can manage about 1), and different types of bar work to work on the arms. I go swimming afterwords and use the sauna and steam room.

I was wondering if the swimming in someway detracts from the work I do before? Or if using the sauna detracts from it? I figured thats not the class, I figured swimming afterwords can only be even better for me, but I'm not 100% sure.


The sauna shouldn't be a problem. As for the swimming; some of the guys here do light cardio after they lift and it's not detrimental at all. I prefer to keep my cardio days seperate but if you're gonna do some after your lifting, keep it low intensity and no longer than 30 mins. Any more than that and your CNS won't be happy with you.


Do work!

[jaguarr]

Sorry for the confusion. Yeah, this is one workout done on one day. I just had it separated out to help me remember it all. I do it every other day, alternating with lower body, so 3-4 times a week on this routine.

You're completely overtraining, dude. How many days a week do you want to work out in total?

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

^Thought so.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Lost a few more pounds. But I need to work on my abs more then anything.

[AndThePickles]

Something I've heard many different opinions about: When is the proper time to stretch? Before or after a workout??

[Lunar_Wolf]

Something I've heard many different opinions about: When is the proper time to stretch? Before or after a workout??

When I did Martial Arts we always stretched before hand. So you can loosened your muscles, we were told if they didn't get loosened out you could pull something.

[Sun_Down]

So I'm working on a split that looks something like this:

Monday - off
Tuesday - Chest/Triceps
Wednesday - off
Thursday - Biceps/Back
Friday - off
Saturday - Shoulders/Legs
Sunday - off

How many times should I hit each muscle group on the day that I'm working it?

[jaguarr]

So I'm working on a split that looks something like this:

Monday - off
Tuesday - Chest/Triceps
Wednesday - off
Thursday - Biceps/Back
Friday - off
Saturday - Shoulders/Legs
Sunday - off

How many times should I hit each muscle group on the day that I'm working it?

I use a three day split, myself. Try working your legs/shoulders on Thursday and your back/bi's on Saturday. Should be easier on your CNS (particularly if you're doing deadlifts) and allow for better recovery.

You want to aim for 2-3 exercises per body part. Hit it hard, lift as heavy as you can go without sacrificing PERFECT form for any given rep/set configuration you choose, and then get out and let your body rest. Rest and refeed is where you grow, not from working out more. Keep your workouts to 60 minutes or less. Rest time between sets should be in the 90 second range as that's optimal for muscle growth.


Check the BB.com workout database (http://bodybuilding.com/fun/workout.htm) for ideas on how to construct your split. :up:

jag

[jaguarr]

Something I've heard many different opinions about: When is the proper time to stretch? Before or after a workout??

The answer, like so many other things, is that "it depends". For weight training, stretching out the muscle fibers prior to lifting can leave them stressed and weakened and more prone to injury, so it's better to save the stretching for after and just do some light stretching and limbering up before you lift. For some other sports, proper heavy stretching and warmup (like martial arts) is advisable to preven injury. But with weight training, you're using the muscles in a different way that requires a different approach with your stretching strategy.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

The answer, like so many other things, is that "it depends". For weight training, stretching out the muscle fibers prior to lifting can leave them stressed and weakened and more prone to injury, so it's better to save the stretching for after and just do some light stretching and limbering up before you lift. For some other sports, proper heavy stretching and warmup (like martial arts) is advisable to preven injury. But with weight training, you're using the muscles in a different way that requires a different approach with your stretching strategy.

jag

This is one of those back and forth things. With weights I am have read the same things that Jag mentions for stretching weakening the muscles. As for other activities such as martial arts, break dancing, ballet etc. I have heard both.

Same with sports, baseball, basketball, soccer, football. I've heard that stretching can benefit you before, but I have also it can leave your muscles weak making it more likely you will suffer a strain or pull.

From what I have read and gathered, it seems that the best thing to do is just warm up, doing some jumping jacks, high knees, karaokes, maybe even jump rope for a minute to get your blood flowing.

Then stretch after you are done.

Also in order to really keep or even make gains for stretching you need to stretch any given muscle for at least 20 seconds, but not to the point where it hurts, your leg/arm etc bounces or you can not keep the joint involved straight.

In addition you should also stretch two times a day to make sure you keep all progress made.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Oh hey Jag, I can't seem to find it now that the response I got is some 30 pages back or so.

But I'll ask again, what is the best way to develop functional strength? What type of sets of exercises?

[Tangled Web]

Is it better to work out before or after a meal if you are trying to gain some mass.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Is it better to work out before or after a meal if you are trying to gain some mass.


You don't want to eat right before you workout, your body needs to pull blood into your stomach/intestinse in order to digest your food, doing this pulls blood away from your muscles maximizing your results when you workout. Plus if I eat right before I work out I always get a cramp somewhere.

From what I have read and talked about with others here it is best to eat right after you workout, a good portioned meal packed with protein since your muscles will benefit the most from it after a workout.

[jaguarr]

Oh hey Jag, I can't seem to find it now that the response I got is some 30 pages back or so.

But I'll ask again, what is the best way to develop functional strength? What type of sets of exercises?

Yeah, we started that discussion and it got lost in the haze. In my opinion, gaining functional strength from training comes from a variety of different approaches, rather than just a single one. The first is is compound lifts like squats, deadlifts, cleans and presses, snatches, and other compound and Olympic type lifts; in other words, exercises that work the whole of your parts rather than just isolating a single muscle group like doing curls or something. The second would be things that strengthen your core. And then doing lifting that puts real world off-balance strength into the equation like kettle ball training or some of the things that strongman competitors do brings another dimension to real world applicability. And things like yoga and pilates can also provide flexibility and other motor strengths, not to mention additional core strength. So it's not really one type of training or exercises, but a bunch of different ones. Compound lifts would be the definite place to start, though. My lifting focuses on compounds and I get a great deal of functional strength from that that I wouldn't get if I was mucking around with all the little isolation exercises that everyone seems to love. Dumbbell kickbacks and barbell curls aren't going to give you much applicable strength all in all.

Here's a good read on the subject:
http://www.acefitness.org/fitfacts/fitnessqa_display.aspx?itemid=285

jag

[jaguarr]

You don't want to eat right before you workout, your body needs to pull blood into your stomach/intestinse in order to digest your food, doing this pulls blood away from your muscles maximizing your results when you workout. Plus if I eat right before I work out I always get a cramp somewhere.

From what I have read and talked about with others here it is best to eat right after you workout, a good portioned meal packed with protein since your muscles will benefit the most from it after a workout.

That's about right. I eat a small meal of some oatmeal and protein about 90 minutes before I lift. After I finish lifting (and I keep the BCAA's going throughout the workout), then I get the Waxy Maize into me immediately. 20 minutes later it's a protein shake. 45 minutes after that it's a solid meal. Timing is everything.

jag

[Honey Vibe]

*subscribing
::: puff ::: ::: wheez ::: Whoo!

[Colossal Spoons]

Welcome HV :D

[Sun_Down]

I use a three day split, myself. Try working your legs/shoulders on Thursday and your back/bi's on Saturday. Should be easier on your CNS (particularly if you're doing deadlifts) and allow for better recovery.

You want to aim for 2-3 exercises per body part. Hit it hard, lift as heavy as you can go without sacrificing PERFECT form for any given rep/set configuration you choose, and then get out and let your body rest. Rest and refeed is where you grow, not from working out more. Keep your workouts to 60 minutes or less. Rest time between sets should be in the 90 second range as that's optimal for muscle growth.


Check the BB.com workout database (http://bodybuilding.com/fun/workout.htm) for ideas on how to construct your split. :up:

jag

Thanks, jag :up:

[jaguarr]

Thanks, jag :up:

Glad to help! If you get stuck or need help refining your split, just holler.

jag

[PhoenixRisen]

So I think I am gonna go ahead and order the 10 lb bag of optimum protein from the link jag posted...and might as well order some other items while i am at it to get my free t-shirt!! So it got me to thinking...any great supplement recommendations? I don't like taking a lot of stuff because I get easily disorganized etc. so was just wondering...in a very generic sense...what would be your top 5 supplements and why??
(edit: actually you don't hafta go into too much detail about the "why" i didn't mean for it to sound like an essay question--but i wanted to ask kind of generally just to see what the top 5 would be for some new ideas)

[Colossal Spoons]

Whey Protein - obvious reasons

Multi-Vitamin Pill - to make up for anything I didn't eat that day

Creatine - my first experience was pretty pointless as it was regular monohydrate. I switched to Ethyl Ester and it's definately worked better, just gotta deal with an annoying bloat.

Casein - nothin better than digesting protein slowly while you sleep

[jaguarr]

Note: If you eat red meat a couple times a week, creatine may not do a whole lot, if anything, for you. Nancyboys who don't eat red meat might get some benefit out of red meat.

Top Supp's:

Whey protein
Casein protein
Multi-Vitamin (I like NOW's Adam)
BCAA (I like Scivation Xtend)
Waxy Maize Starch (I like the Vitargo version)
Fish Oil Caps

:up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I need to get on that fish oil.

[PhoenixRisen]

^
yeah me too, thanks for the ideas guys i wanna totally rework my program (in a rut) so was looking for some fresh perspectives/fun stuff to try that other people like :D

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm always lookin at other people in the gym to see what cool new exercises they're doin. I try soem out and sometimes make ammendments to my own routine.....after talking to the person of course.

[PhoenixRisen]

Yeah I need to just sit down and get a little organized and focus a little more. I think I am gonna start a log again with this good push/pull routine I really liked but kind of slacked on....
Which reminds me here's an old article (I don't know what ever happened to the website it hasn't been updated for 5 years--maybe he is doing something else now, but i had him for trainer and he is nice guy and speaks in language i can understand lol) but it has some little twists on some of the basics, there's a series of 3 articles u can find em in the archives ...
http://www.shapeshiftermagazine.com/1/02.htm
so any other "mix it up" type recommendations are also appreciated, but i think it's mostly mental/focus/desire etc!! :D (maybe i need some new shoes too that always helps lol)

[Colossal Spoons]

I do my routine in the reverse order every 6 months or so to keep my muscles from getting used to a routine. I still try to do my compound lifts first but I just switch up the order a bit. :up:

[jaguarr]

I rotate a few different exercises in and out every week. I also switch up my set/rep configurations between 3x6, 6x3, 5x5 & 3x10's and adapt the weight appropriately. That kind of periodization keeps things fresh for my muscles and keeps me from getting too bored with what I'm doing. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

It's sad. Most of my "crew" of friends from college have graduated. There are only about 2 of us left out of the 10 or so. We were all into the gym and I was actually the 2nd smallest of the bunch and definately the youngest. Since graduating those guys have totally stopped going to the gym and taking care of themselves. They're gettin married/having children left and right and they claim not to have time for the gym.


Makes me sad....and mkes me wanna lift that much harder. :up::down:

[JStorm]

Note: If you eat red meat a couple times a week, creatine may not do a whole lot, if anything, for you. Nancyboys who don't eat red meat might get some benefit out of red meat.

Top Supp's:

Whey protein
Casein protein
Multi-Vitamin (I like NOW's Adam)
BCAA (I like Scivation Xtend)
Waxy Maize Starch (I like the Vitargo version)
Fish Oil Caps

:up:

jag

Eating your veggies help as well. And be sure to study what you are eating. Believe it or not, not all veggies are good for "fitness."

I know.. I didn't understand either. But, apparently, veggies like carrot’s and corn are not helpful to a lean diet.

Also, fruit should be eaten early in the day as your body breaks down sugar early in the day and stores it later in the day.

I eat most of my complex carbs and fruits in the morning and early afternoon, and after about three, I eat, mainly, chicken, fish, and green veggies.

[jaguarr]

^^^

That's because corn and carrots have high natural sugar content, and fruit does especially. ;) (There's some great information that we've covered on diet and nutrition in this thread. People just need to suck it up and read all 3,300+ posts. :dry: ).

jag

[JStorm]

^^^

That's because corn and carrots have high natural sugar content, and fruit does especially. ;) (There's some great information that we've covered on diet and nutrition in this thread. People just need to suck it up and read all 3,300+ posts. :dry: ).

jag

We can't give all the trade secrets away.

I had to work for it. :(

[jaguarr]

We can't give all the trade secrets away.

I had to work for it. :(

Be quiet and eat your brussell sprouts! :cmad:

jag

[JStorm]

Be quiet and eat your brussell sprouts! :cmad:

jag

I want to start an "Offcial Fat-Kid Thread."

[jaguarr]

I want to start an "Offcial Fat-Kid Thread."

It would probably eclipse this thread in a few short days. :o

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

It would probably eclipse this thread in a few short days. :o

jag

Sadly

[JStorm]

It would probably eclipse this thread in a few short days. :o

jag

Sadly

Like you guys don't like twinkies.

[jaguarr]

Like you guys don't like twinkies.

Actually, I don't. I cleaned up my diet a couple of years ago and my sweet tooth fell the the wayside. An occasional ice cream every three or four months is about as much sugar as I eat these days.

jag

[JStorm]

Actually, I don't. I cleaned up my diet a couple of years ago and my sweet tooth fell the the wayside. An occasional ice cream every three or four months is about as much sugar as I eat these days.

jag

:up:

I wish I could say the same. I have a cheat day every week. So that is when I get my fix.

[jaguarr]

:up:

I wish I could say the same. I have a cheat day every week. So that is when I get my fix.

My cheat meal (not a day, a meal) once a week is probably what other people would consider eating healthy. LOL!

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't crave sweets anymore either. My cheat meals usually consist of something cheesy.

[Prognosticator]

''cheat meals'' ...is everyone on the Hype doing Weight Watchers?!?!

[jaguarr]

''cheat meals'' ...is everyone on the Hype doing Weight Watchers?!?!

:dry:

jag

[JStorm]

Cheat meals aren't just a Weight Watchers thing.

I learned this method from trainers.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I took a day off today, first time in a month. I had some chocalate which tasted like crap. Junkfood....well taste like junk. I don't crave it.

[Colossal Spoons]

Took a day off from the gym or healthy eating? Cuz 1 off day from lifting a months is B A D.

[JStorm]

I took a day off today, first time in a month. I had some chocalate which tasted like crap. Junkfood....well taste like junk. I don't crave it.

Cheat meals don't have to include junk.

For example, I eat out or have a drink or two on my cheat days. This method doesn't mean I eat at Burger King and drink a six pack.

Like last week, I ate at Wild Wings, had some wings and a few beers. Cheat day completed.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Took a day off from the gym or healthy eating? Cuz 1 off day from lifting a months is B A D.

I took a day off from the Gym, I ate healty for most of the day, just a little bit of junk food which tasted like crap. So yeah I prob will never eat sweats for a long while...a long while.

When I'm in the Gym it's mostly cardio, and some light weights. Also swim too.

[jaguarr]

Took a day off from the gym or healthy eating? Cuz 1 off day from lifting a months is B A D.

I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say. Can you please elaborate?

jag

[Won '08]

psh I eat whatever the hell I want when I want.

http://myspace-086.vo.llnwd.net/00129/68/02/129492086_m.jpg

Doesn't have much an effect on me.

[Colossal Spoons]

I editted the post(wrote it in a hurry). He said he took 1 day off from working out for the entire month. Most people take an off day every week.

[jaguarr]

psh I eat whatever the hell I want when I want.

http://myspace-086.vo.llnwd.net/00129/68/02/129492086_m.jpg

Doesn't have much an effect on me.

Yeah, but how old are you? You're also not eating to support a hardcore lifting habit, either.

jag

[JStorm]

I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say. Can you please elaborate?

jag

Yeah, CS... What cheat days mean is one day a week one can eat whatever one pleases.

As for the gym analogy, I take two days off a week.

This method is different for every person.

However, in light of your post, only having one day of rest a month, from the gym, is B A D.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, CS... What cheat days mean is one day a week one can eat whatever one pleases.

As for the gym analogy, I take two days off a week.

This method is different for every person.

However, in light of your post, only having one day of rest a month, from the gym, is B A D.


Ok, we're on the same page again :p

[Won '08]

Yeah, but how old are you? You're also not eating to support a hardcore lifting habit, either.

jag True. I am only 22 and I don't lift heavy weights either. I've been a martial artist for about 18 years now, so I do have to keep my nutrition up to par. In all honesty the cardio in practicing MA helps tons.

[jaguarr]

True. I am only 22 and I don't lift heavy weights either. I've been a martial artist for about 18 years now, so I do have to keep my nutrition up to par. In all honesty the cardio in practicing MA helps tons.

Yeah, I figured you to be around 21 or so. Fast metabolism and all that. I was the same way when I was that age, with the low bodyfat.

jag

[JStorm]

Awh.. the days of high metabolism and low body fat.

I miss high school sports.

[Won '08]

Yeah, I figured you to be around 21 or so. Fast metabolism and all that. I was the same way when I was that age, with the low bodyfat.

jag I'm trying to gain 20 pounds truthfully. All my older weight liftin' buddies look at me and go "man....just wait till you're my age...that wash board will melt into a pile of play dough" lol

But yeah I'm doing my best to gain a "healthy" 20 pounds but its hard to load up on the right foods because i just recently got out of a bad situation (homelessness...which was why I was absent from the boards for almost a year).

[Lunar_Wolf]

Sorry I meant to say I didn't eat any bad foods in a month, no cheat days, nothing. I work out 3-4 times a week. Mostly 3 because of college and work.

[Colossal Spoons]

Sorry I meant to say I didn't eat any bad foods in a month, no cheat days, nothing. I work out 3-4 times a week. Mostly 3 because of college and work.

Yeah, that makes more sense. :up:

[jaguarr]

I'm trying to gain 20 pounds truthfully. All my older weight liftin' buddies look at me and go "man....just wait till you're my age...that wash board will melt into a pile of play dough" lol

But yeah I'm doing my best to gain a "healthy" 20 pounds but its hard to load up on the right foods because i just recently got out of a bad situation (homelessness...which was why I was absent from the boards for almost a year).

Glad you're in a better situation. The rest will fall into place for you. :up: People don't realize how hard it is to load up on quality food every day. Clean food doesn't have all the crap in it that processed junk does that makes the caloric content go through the roof.

jag

[AndThePickles]

Like you guys don't like twinkies.

Actually, I think twinkies are disgusting.

I DO still enjoy sweets....as a woman I unfortunately get really strong cravings for chocolate every once in a while. I don't crave sweet things as often now that I'm eating better...... I let myself have them on occasion but normally my cheat foods are things like bacon cheeseburgers.

[Colossal Spoons]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/photos/3742256/108.jpg

It appears old age hit Batista HARD recently and I can't say his body looks all that impressive anymore. It's ok though, the man is 40+ and can't roid forever. It's been fun and Dave was a great source of inspiration but it's time for Spoons to move on to bigger and better aspirations...

Bobby Lashley here I come

http://data1.blog.de/media/326/465326_a387279251_m.jpg

DO WORK!!

[jaguarr]

If you REALLY want to look like those guys, you're gonna have to start juicing at some point, Spoons. I really advise against it, but if you ever seriously start to consider it, let me know and I'll put you in touch with people who truly know what they are doing on that front and how to keep themselves healthy and safe while doing it.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, their physiques are pretty unattainable w/o roids but I like that. I'll aways have something to strive for. Like a dangling carrot in front of me :up:

BTW, Lashley gained 100lbs of muscle in a year fresh outta college. *sniff* I smell steroids.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah, their physiques are pretty unattainable w/o roids but I like that. I'll aways have something to strive for. Like a dangling carrot in front of me :up:

BTW, Lashley gained 100lbs of muscle in a year fresh outta college. *sniff* I smell steroids.


Holly Hemroids! :wow:

[AndThePickles]

That sounds extremely unhealthy.

[jaguarr]

Holly Hemroids! :wow:

I thought her last name was Goodhead? :confused: Not that this isn't an improvement...

:oldrazz:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I thought her last name was Goodhead? :confused: Not that this isn't an improvement...

:oldrazz:

jag


Meh, same thing right?

Hey Jag do you know anywhere or what would be a good set of dumb bell plates to buy?

I workout at home mostly and don't really want to fork out money for a gym, at least not yet anyway. So I want to buy some dumb bells that use plates so I only have two sets laying around with some plates instead of eight different weights.

[jaguarr]

Meh, same thing right?

Hey Jag do you know anywhere or what would be a good set of dumb bell plates to buy?

I workout at home mostly and don't really want to fork out money for a gym, at least not yet anyway. So I want to buy some dumb bells that use plates so I only have two sets laying around with some plates instead of eight different weights.

Check out bigfitness.com and gymcor.com. I've always had great prices and service from both of them. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Check out bigfitness.com and gymcor.com. I've always had great prices and service from both of them. :up:

jag

Thanks again Jag :up:

[Iceman]

Whey Protein - obvious reasons

Multi-Vitamin Pill - to make up for anything I didn't eat that day

Creatine - my first experience was pretty pointless as it was regular monohydrate. I switched to Ethyl Ester and it's definately worked better, just gotta deal with an annoying bloat.

Casein - nothin better than digesting protein slowly while you sleepI haven't used casein before. SHould I look into it?

Note: If you eat red meat a couple times a week, creatine may not do a whole lot, if anything, for you. Nancyboys who don't eat red meat might get some benefit out of red meat.

Top Supp's:

Whey protein
Casein protein
Multi-Vitamin (I like NOW's Adam)
BCAA (I like Scivation Xtend)
Waxy Maize Starch (I like the Vitargo version)
Fish Oil Caps

:up:

jagWhat is it that you like about NOW's Adam? I take my current multivits only every other day at the moment as I'm worried about long term overdosing in certain areas when combined with all the other supplements and regular diet. There's too much Vitamin A for my liking in my current vits.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

[quote=Iceman/Psylocke;11141000]I haven't used casein before. SHould I look into it?

quote]


"Casein - Casein, on the other hand, is digested very slowly (over 2 - 7 hours). This means it's great to use a protein supplement with casein before bed because the longest time your body goes without protein is during the night while you are sleeping. View all Micellar Casein (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mic.html) products. "

From body building.com. :up: :D

[Iceman]

"Casein - Casein, on the other hand, is digested very slowly (over 2 - 7 hours). This means it's great to use a protein supplement with casein before bed because the longest time your body goes without protein is during the night while you are sleeping. View all Micellar Casein (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mic.html) products. "

From body building.com. :up: :DThanks, seems very useful as the last meal of the day. I've wondered in the past what we're doing taking in protein every three hours like a madman during the day and then getting zero during the 15 hour sleep. :woot:

[jaguarr]

What is it that you like about NOW's Adam? I take my current multivits only every other day at the moment as I'm worried about long term overdosing in certain areas when combined with all the other supplements and regular diet. There's too much Vitamin A for my liking in my current vits.


It's just complete without being overloaded with anything like some vitamins can be. I tried the Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men for awhile but it was loaded with garlic and was upsetting my stomach.


jag

[jaguarr]

Thanks, seems very useful as the last meal of the day. I've wondered in the past what we're doing taking in protein every three hours like a madman during the day and then getting zero during the 15 hour sleep. :woot:

Maintaining your a system as a nitrogen-rich environment spurs muscle growth, and protein is a huge component of that:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson75.htm

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hey Jag, what's your userhandle over at BD.com? Thinking about joining pretty soon. Do you know colossal's? Or are you anywhere out there Spoons?

[Iceman]

It's just complete without being overloaded with anything like some vitamins can be. I tried the Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men for awhile but it was loaded with garlic and was upsetting my stomach.


jagSounds like what I'm looking for. Shame I bought 8 bottles of that other stuff (8 months supply, or 16 at one every two days :wow::csad:)

Maintaining your a system as a nitrogen-rich environment spurs muscle growth, and protein is a huge component of that:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson75.htm

jagI'm on about 250g (5x50) per day at the moment but it's all whey or from general diet (meat, fish, eggs and milk). I didn't know about the benefits of casein before.

[Iceman]

Hey Jag, what's your userhandle over at BD.com? Thinking about joining pretty soon. Do you know colossal's? Or are you anywhere out there Spoons?You'll never guess Jag's or Spoon's username. :woot:

[jaguarr]

Hey Jag, what's your userhandle over at BD.com? Thinking about joining pretty soon. Do you know colossal's? Or are you anywhere out there Spoons?

Oh, dude, my username over there is TOTALLY different from what it is over here. 'Spoons, too. You'll never find us. :dry:

jag

[Robin91939]

I'm gonna start by saying I'm in very good shape.

I'm 6 foot 2, I weigh 180 pounds and am 2% body fat (as of September of 2006) and 18 years old. I bench over 200 lbs and run a mile in 5 minutes 30 seconds. College baseball pitcher, throw over 80 mph etc.

But, I just can't get my weight over 180 pounds. I've tried everything from stopping running, to eating unhealthy. To loading up on carbs, protein and fats and cutting out sugars. Can't get above 180. My goal is to be 190 by the summer..any help on gaining those last ten pounds in muscle?

I used to take supplements, like NO explode and Trac for creatine, now I just stick to high protein meals, a protein shake an hour before training and a shake of Cellmass after I train on an empty stomach.

Any help?

-R

[jaguarr]

If you're 2% bodyfat you're close to dead. Anything under 5% on a continual basis is unhealthy and even life threatening. That's why bodybuilding competitors hover around 7-8% (or more if they're bulking) over the course of the year and then trim down to about 4% for competition.

As far as adding weight, eat. Eat. Eat. Eat. Eat. Eat. And then after that, eat some more. Pasta, potatoes, rice, yams and oatmeal are good additions to your high protein intake. Carbs build muscle. If your bodyfat is below 10% or so, you may also find it difficult to add much lean muscle and may need to push adding a bit more bodyfat.

jag

[Speedball]

Ughh...
The whole lower half of my body aches...
Yesterday I went to the gym for the first time in about a year.
I rode a bike for 6 miles, then used the leg machines and ab machines(?).
Then it began to snow.
So at 11:00 at night, a whole bunch of people from my dorm began to go sledding down the hills near the dorm.
We were out there till 2 in the morning.
I haven't been in this much pain for a LONG time.

[jaguarr]

Ughh...
The whole lower half of my body aches...
Yesterday I went to the gym for the first time in about a year.
I rode a bike for 6 miles, then used the leg machines and ab machines(?).
Then it began to snow.
So at 11:00 at night, a whole bunch of people from my dorm began to go sledding down the hills near the dorm.
We were out there till 2 in the morning.
I haven't been in this much pain for a LONG time.


Drink lots of water and do some light cardio on something like an eliptical or a stairstepper followed by some stretching. Should help shake some of the soreness out.

jag

[Speedball]

Eliptical?

[jaguarr]

http://www.fitness-events.com/eliptical-trainers.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptical_trainer

http://www.mercantila.com/Images/800x600/Eclipse_2100HR_A_Elliptical_Trainer.jpg

By the way, elliptical machines won't give you Joker Face like the lady in that pic.

jag

[AndThePickles]

After-workout pain is the best! My triceps hurt so bad that it was hard to wash my hair lol.

[Speedball]

http://www.fitness-events.com/eliptical-trainers.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptical_trainer

http://www.mercantila.com/Images/800x600/Eclipse_2100HR_A_Elliptical_Trainer.jpg

By the way, elliptical machines won't give you Joker Face like the lady in that pic.

jag

LOL!

Those machines hurt my feet though.
I've got very flat feet, which is why I ride the bikes instead of using a treadmill.

[AndThePickles]

LOL!

Those machines hurt my feet though.
I've got very flat feet, which is why I ride the bikes instead of using a treadmill.

But it's not at all like a treadmill :huh: Give it a try, I know for me personally it's one of my favorite ways to do cardio.

[jaguarr]

LOL!

Those machines hurt my feet though.
I've got very flat feet, which is why I ride the bikes instead of using a treadmill.

Give the elliptical a try. Very easy on the knees and feet, not at all like a treadmill. :up:

jag

[Speedball]

I might.
If I feel better tomorrow.
I think I need new shoes though.
Nikes tear my feet up.
Are New Balance shoes better for people with flat feet?

[AndThePickles]

I might.
If I feel better tomorrow.
I think I need new shoes though.
Nikes tear my feet up.
Are New Balance shoes better for people with flat feet?

Hmm. Spoons has super flat feet and he likes his New Balances. But then again he also wears Nikes. :huh:

[JStorm]

Give the elliptical a try. Very easy on the knees and feet, not at all like a treadmill. :up:

jag

Pansy! :p



Robin, I know this will like a simple answer to your question(s); but, simply, eat more carbs (healthy) and try and max out your weight as much as possibly.

One of the max work-outs I like to use it the 60 second rest with high rep, low to mid weight. In other words, bench a comfortable weight with a high rep, say 12-15, and rest 60 seconds in between. Then repeat. Do about 3-4 set.

[jaguarr]

Pansy! :p



Let me know when you're ready to load up the bar with 270 and to widowmaker ATG squats, junior. :)

jag

[JStorm]

Let me know when you're ready to load up the bar with 270 and to widowmaker ATG squats, junior. :)

jag

Do I need to take a picture of my quads? Come on, Jag; you don't want that.


And neither does anyone else.

[jaguarr]

Do I need to take a picture of my quads? Come on, Jag; you don't want that.


And neither does anyone else.

Don't you threaten me! :cmad:

jag

[JStorm]

Don't you threaten me! :cmad:

jag

Seriously, man; *** to grass is easy for me, even with that weight, because I am a short guy. I probably don't have to sqaut as low as you do.


However, :up: to *** to grass. Great workout.

[jaguarr]

Seriously, man; *** to grass is easy for me, even with that weight, because I am a short guy. I probably don't have to sqaut as low as you do.


However, :up: to *** to grass. Great workout.

I'm a short guy too. That's why we're doin' widowmakers, dammit! :D

jag

[AndThePickles]

Don't you threaten me! :cmad:

jag

Uh oh, jag's bout to wile out!!

[JStorm]

I'm a short guy too. That's why we're doin' widowmakers, dammit! :D

jag

Explain widowmakers?

I don't think I've read about this.

[jaguarr]

Explain widowmakers?

I don't think I've read about this.

After you've done your usual leg workout, take that 270 and do 20 reps, minimal rest/pause and no re-racking the weight until you've completed all reps. That's a widowmaker set. Even at 185 it'll leave you dizzy and rubber-legged. Try and do a couple widowmaker sets and you'll meet Jesus. Great way to stimulate growth. :up:

jag

[JStorm]

After you've done your usual leg workout, take that 270 and do 20 reps, minimal rest/pause and no re-racking the weight until you've completed all reps. That's a widowmaker set. Even at 185 it'll leave you dizzy and rubber-legged. Try and do a couple widowmaker sets and you'll meet Jesus. Great way to stimulate growth. :up:

jag

There's about twelve way I could go with that.

However, I'll try the workout, as you said.

[jaguarr]

There's about twelve way I could go with that.

:dry:


However, I'll try the workout, as you said.

Works well with front and hack squats as well, and the same principle can be applied to other compound work like bench. Here's another thing you can try: do your usual ATG squat, but stop at the BOTTOM of the rep and hold that position for three full seconds before you get back up again. You'll feel a good stretch in the quads. Takes momentum out of the picture. Again, this principle can be applied to other exercises as well, but I really get a lot out of these two approaches with squats.

jag

[JStorm]

:dry:



Works well with front and hack squats as well, and the same principle can be applied to other compound work like bench. Here's another thing you can try: do your usual ATG squat, but stop at the BOTTOM of the rep and hold that position for three full seconds before you get back up again. You'll feel a good stretch in the quads. Takes momentum out of the picture. Again, this principle can be applied to other exercises as well, but I really get a lot out of these two approaches with squats.

jag

I'm short and thick; so hard work out's like that are out for me.

I train for lean muslce. I do appreciate the tip, though.

[jaguarr]

Let me know how you like 'em. I'm also short and stocky so I think you'll find those approaches beneficial.

jag

[JStorm]

Will do.

[Colossal Spoons]

:dry:



Works well with front and hack squats as well, and the same principle can be applied to other compound work like bench. Here's another thing you can try: do your usual ATG squat, but stop at the BOTTOM of the rep and hold that position for three full seconds before you get back up again. You'll feel a good stretch in the quads. Takes momentum out of the picture. Again, this principle can be applied to other exercises as well, but I really get a lot out of these two approaches with squats.

jag


Stopping a rep at the bottom. That's genius, I never thought to do that.


Also, anybody mix in oatmeal w/ their protein shakes? If so, do you just dump some raw oats in there?

[Tangled Web]

How does one prepare for a fight? Let's say they have 90 says...

[Colossal Spoons]

Uh oh, is there a thread about the details somewhere?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm gonna start by saying I'm in very good shape.

I'm 6 foot 2, I weigh 180 pounds and am 2% body fat (as of September of 2006) and 18 years old. I bench over 200 lbs and run a mile in 5 minutes 30 seconds. College baseball pitcher, throw over 80 mph etc.

But, I just can't get my weight over 180 pounds. I've tried everything from stopping running, to eating unhealthy. To loading up on carbs, protein and fats and cutting out sugars. Can't get above 180. My goal is to be 190 by the summer..any help on gaining those last ten pounds in muscle?

I used to take supplements, like NO explode and Trac for creatine, now I just stick to high protein meals, a protein shake an hour before training and a shake of Cellmass after I train on an empty stomach.

Any help?

-R


Like Jag said, you're not in that great of shape. If you really do have 2% body fat, go to the doctor immediately. It's not healthy at all to have that low body fat percentage.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I might.
If I feel better tomorrow.
I think I need new shoes though.
Nikes tear my feet up.
Are New Balance shoes better for people with flat feet?

Take it from me, I have had some serious problems with my feet/legs and it's mostly due to having very high arches. Having high arches has caused me to strain/pull tendons on the top of my foot which required several months of chiropractic therapy to get me back to normal.

I strained my hip felxor so badly that I couldn't even sit up to get out of bed and was sidelined from sports or activity for roughly six months.

Then the final blow came when I snapped my achiles tendon, full rupture.

My advice, if you have problems with your feet, it will affect your legs if not all the way up your body. Go pay the money to see a certified professional ortopedic doctor. More than likely most if not all of your foot/feet or even leg/back problems can be solved by simply getting a good custome made pair of inserts for your shoes.

It may cost you $100-$300 but if you spend that much they should be top quality and life long, if they are for casual purposes, possibly even athletic uses.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Stopping a rep at the bottom. That's genius, I never thought to do that.


Also, anybody mix in oatmeal w/ their protein shakes? If so, do you just dump some raw oats in there?


Personally I like oatmeal, but I don't boil it, it may sound weird eating it raw but I like it better that way. As for the protein powder, I did it once, with strawberry flavor...and....ugh yuck!

Don't recommend it at all. I perfer it with just milk, but that's me.

[hey yo its sean]

How does one prepare for a fight? Let's say they have 90 says...

I'll tell you how to prepare for a fight in 90 seconds. Get your friends. Got no friends? Get a 2x4. If all else fails and you're having to go mano y mano, make nice like you want peace. Body language dictates that showing your opponents your open palm is a sign of submission. When he drops his guard, punch him in the neck, and kick his balls. Rinse and repeat until you're satisfied or campus police make their way to your neck of the woods.

[Colossal Spoons]

Personally I like oatmeal, but I don't boil it, it may sound weird eating it raw but I like it better that way. As for the protein powder, I did it once, with strawberry flavor...and....ugh yuck!

Don't recommend it at all. I perfer it with just milk, but that's me.

Well I saw over at BB.com that a lot of people were getting a good helping of carbs into their morning shake by adding protein.

[jaguarr]

Stopping a rep at the bottom. That's genius, I never thought to do that.

It's not something I do all the time, but I do back the weight off and do it every now and again. That three second pause at the bottom becomes pretty challenging. Between that and the widowmakers, you can really stimulate some good muscle and strength growth.


Also, anybody mix in oatmeal w/ their protein shakes? If so, do you just dump some raw oats in there?

Some people do that. Some people even grind up their oats in a coffee grinder and mix them in. I'd rather just eat the damn oatmeal (especially in the mornings).

Take it from me, I have had some serious problems with my feet/legs and it's mostly due to having very high arches. Having high arches has caused me to strain/pull tendons on the top of my foot which required several months of chiropractic therapy to get me back to normal.

I strained my hip felxor so badly that I couldn't even sit up to get out of bed and was sidelined from sports or activity for roughly six months.

Then the final blow came when I snapped my achiles tendon, full rupture.

My advice, if you have problems with your feet, it will affect your legs if not all the way up your body. Go pay the money to see a certified professional ortopedic doctor. More than likely most if not all of your foot/feet or even leg/back problems can be solved by simply getting a good custome made pair of inserts for your shoes.

It may cost you $100-$300 but if you spend that much they should be top quality and life long, if they are for casual purposes, possibly even athletic uses.

Getting a pair of orthotics made is actually on my list of things to do in the next couple of months. I have some feet problems as well (something heavy squats doesn't exactly alleviate...my already wide feet have gotten WIDER in the last couple of years).

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It's not something I do all the time, but I do back the weight off and do it every now and again. That three second pause at the bottom becomes pretty challenging. Between that and the widowmakers, you can really stimulate some good muscle and strength growth.



Some people do that. Some people even grind up their oats in a coffee grinder and mix them in. I'd rather just eat the damn oatmeal (especially in the mornings).



Getting a pair of orthotics made is actually on my list of things to do in the next couple of months. I have some feet problems as well (something heavy squats doesn't exactly alleviate...my already wide feet have gotten WIDER in the last couple of years).

jag

You and me both bro. I have some temporary ones from the store that work well, but break down fast when I play sports. But they do their job for my high arches.

[Iceman]

How does one prepare for a fight? Let's say they have 90 says...What kind of fight?

[enterthemadness]

Guys and gal...I'm adding boxing to my workouts after I'm done with everything. Light to medium stuff. (boxing bag)

http://www.how-to-box.com/boxing/boxing_basics

I use this site. I can get better, but I wouldn't say I'm really bad at it. Maybe so-so. Get some anger out of me too.

[jaguarr]

Guys and gal...I'm adding boxing to my workouts after I'm done with everything. Light to medium stuff. (boxing bag)

http://www.how-to-box.com/boxing/boxing_basics

I use this site. I can get better, but I wouldn't say I'm really bad at it. Maybe so-so. Get some anger out of me too.

Be careful not to eff up your shoulders on that heavy bag. It's very easy to do, especially if you've been lifting prior to doing some bag work.

jag

[enterthemadness]

Be careful not to eff up your shoulders on that heavy bag. It's very easy to do, especially if you've been lifting prior to doing some bag work.

jag

Yeah, I felt that yesterday. I wait a bit longer (after working out) and work on my technique some more. If I don't box tomorrow, I'll box on Monday. I need to work on my left punch.

[JStorm]

Be careful not to eff up your shoulders on that heavy bag. It's very easy to do, especially if you've been lifting prior to doing some bag work.

jag

My shoulder is killing me.

I hate doing John Deions. :(

[jaguarr]

My shoulder is killing me.

I hate doing John Deions. :(

You hate pointing at a scoreboard? :confused:

jag

[JStorm]

You hate pointing at a scoreboard? :confused:

jag

Seven flys, seven front rises, seven shoulder presses, all in one set.

This is after one's said workout.

[jaguarr]

Seven flys, seven front rises, seven shoulder presses, all in one set.

This is after one's said workout.

Ahh, I see. Sort of the same conceptual approach as 21's for biceps.

jag

[JStorm]

Ahh, I see. Sort of the same conceptual approach as 21's for biceps.

jag

You are correct.

Jag, you have any good tips on lat workouts?

I try and I try, but I can not obtain the "V" shape I desire.

I'm asking for unconventional here; as I'm sure you would already assume I would know most convential work outs.

[Iceman]

You are correct.

Jag, you have any good tips on trap workouts?

I try and I try, but I can not obtain the "V" shape I desire.

I'm asking for unconventional here; as I'm sure you would already assume I would know most convential work outs.I thought the V taper was more to do with delts, lats and having a narrow waist.

[JStorm]

I thought the V taper was more to do with delts, lats and having a narrow waist.

Yeah, I was in a hurry, it is lats.

I'll change it. :o

[Iceman]

Yeah, I was in a hurry, it is lats.

I'll change it. :oOK.

What do you do at the moment?

Wide grip weighted pull-ups are amazing for lats but it sounds like you already know the basics. :up:

Focussing on shoulders (lateral raises) also contributes towards the V-shape.

[JStorm]

OK.

What do you do at the moment?

Wide grip weighted pull-ups are amazing for lats but it sounds like you already know the basics. :up:

Focussing on shoulders (lateral raises) also contributes towards the V-shape.

I'm just looking for new, different work-outs.

Doing the same things, that I know, over and again, gets boring.

I just wanted to get other ideas.

[y2jversion1]

I'm just looking for new, different work-outs.

Doing the same things, that I know, over and again, gets boring.

I just wanted to get other ideas.

Maybe you're not a) doing the basics properly or b) you're not going heavy enough.

Those 2 are generally the "in-gym" culprits.

Out of the gym, maybe you're not eating enough to "seal the deal" after your workouts.

[Iceman]

I'm just looking for new, different work-outs.

Doing the same things, that I know, over and again, gets boring.

I just wanted to get other ideas.Good plan to mix things up and keep shocking the body :up: Aside from being boring, the body gets used to similar workout patterns and plateaus earlier than it otherwise would do. I've got to admit I haven't really mixed up my lat workout outside of the usual pullups & rows.

Jag's your man for anything "unconventional" :ninja: :woot:

[jaguarr]

Maybe you're not a) doing the basics properly or b) you're not going heavy enough.

Those 2 are generally the "in-gym" culprits.

Out of the gym, maybe you're not eating enough to "seal the deal" after your workouts.

I generally agree with this statement, as it's usually the primary thing going on.

As far as exercises go, there are the usual things for building the v-taper, which is a combination of back, lats and shoulders:

Weighted pullups (both shoulder-width and hammer grip; I avoid wide grip going past shoulder-width as it puts undue stress on the shoulders and can cause issues there).

Pulldowns

Barbell Rows

Dumbbell Rows

T-Bar Rows

Heavy lateral raises

Rear Delt Rows, etc.

But the single best exercise I've found for building a wide, thick back are Rack Chins:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/MicroDorian/RackChinsillustrasjon2.jpg


:up:

jag

[enterthemadness]

Is that you, Jag? Thought you be bigger...

[jaguarr]

Is that you, Jag? Thought you be bigger...

:rolleyes:

No, that is not me.

jag

[Iceman]

HAHAHAHAHa!!! :woot:

[JStorm]

Thx, Jag.

[JStorm]

Maybe you're not a) doing the basics properly or b) you're not going heavy enough.

Those 2 are generally the "in-gym" culprits.

Out of the gym, maybe you're not eating enough to "seal the deal" after your workouts.

I think the true statement would have been maybe you are not eating properly.

I don't want an Arnold "V;" I want a definded "V" for my stocky-stature.

I's eats all my protein, and my veggies, in a four to six meal a day ratio.

And.. yes, Jag; I's take my whey protein as well.


;) :up:

[jaguarr]

I think the true statement would have been maybe you are not eating properly.

I don't want an Arnold "V;" I want a definded "V" for my stocky-stature.

I's eats all my protein, and my veggies, in a four to six meal a day ratio.

And.. yes, jag; I's take my whey protein as well.


;) :up:

One challenge you'll have, since you're short and stocky like me, could be that you have a thick waist which makes it harder to get that definite v-taper. Guys built like us have to get the shoulders as wide as we can to give the lats more room to spread to give that v-taper look. So be sure you're working those delts along with the back (those rack chins rule for hitting all of that).

jag

[JStorm]

One challenge you'll have, since you're short and stocky like me, could be that you have a thick waist which makes it harder to get that definite v-taper. Guys built like us have to get the shoulders as wide as we can to give the lats more room to spread to give that v-taper look. So be sure you're working those delts along with the back (those rack chins rule for hitting all of that).

jag

That's funny. I just read an article about focusing on the shoulders as much as possible for a more athletic look.

I can't remember where I read it, online somewhere. But the cool thing was it showcased Daniel Craig. He definately had a "v" in bond.

[Colossal Spoons]

I actually got complimented on my V taper in my back over at BB :D

[jaguarr]

That's funny. I just read an article about focusing on the shoulders as much as possible for a more athletic look.

I can't remember where I read it, online somewhere. But the cool thing was it showcased Daniel Craig. He definately had a "v" in bond.


It gets even worse if you have high insertion points for your lats. Mine barely come down to the bottom of my rib cage whereas some peoples come down further, making it easy for them to have more of that v-shape.

jag

[jaguarr]

I actually got colplimented on my V taper in my back over at BB :D

You have lower insertion points on your lats, so that helps. Start doing rack chins like a mo-fo and see how big your back gets, dude.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

You have lower insertion points on your lats, so that helps. Start doing rack chins like a mo-fo and see how big your back gets, dude.

jag

Would you suggest subbing them for lat pulldowns?

[JStorm]

It gets even worse if you have high insertion points for your lats. Mine barely come down to the bottom of my rib cage whereas some peoples come down further, making it easy for them to have more of that v-shape.

jag

I think you and I have the same problem.

How tall are you, Jag?

I'm about 5'5".

[Iceman]

One challenge you'll have, since you're short and stocky like me, could be that you have a thick waist which makes it harder to get that definite v-taper. Guys built like us have to get the shoulders as wide as we can to give the lats more room to spread to give that v-taper look. So be sure you're working those delts along with the back (those rack chins rule for hitting all of that).

jagI've always had a V shape just from having genetically very broad shoulders and hip bones that are very narrow at the waist. It makes me look in shape even when I'm far from it :woot:

[JStorm]

I've always had a V shape just from having genetically very broad shoulders and hip bones that are very narrow at the waist. It makes me look in shape even when I'm far from it :woot:

:mad:

I look like a ball of muscle.

[Iceman]

:mad:

I look like a ball of muscle.If it makes you feel better my legs are my main weak point. They never put on mass despite being strong (far stronger than many people I know who have much bigger leg muscles :huh:) and able to lift heavy weights on all leg exercises and having a soccer playing history. :csad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

Me and ATG Squats are going to be facing off over the next few years!

[JStorm]

If it makes you feel better my legs are my main weak point. They never put on mass despite being strong (far stronger than many people I know who have much bigger leg muscles :huh:) and able to lift heavy weights on all leg exercises and having a soccer playing history. :csad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

Me and ATG Squats are going to be facing off over the next few years!

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but skinny legs are skinny legs. :(

Sorry.

[Iceman]

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but skinny legs are skinny legs. :(

Sorry.Yeah, I think I'll die in denial :cmad::yay:

[Duende Verde]

Why workout, when you can use:
TrimSpa, BABY!
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/209000/209258HNpL_w.png

[JStorm]

Yeah, I think I'll die in denial :cmad::yay:

Work 'em out, man.

I know of a few friends who over came; but for the most part, they still had skinny legs.

[Colossal Spoons]

Me and ATG Squats are going to be facing off over the next few years!

I'll be doing those suckers forever! :cmad:

[Iceman]

Why workout, when you can use:
TrimSpa, BABY!
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/209000/209258HNpL_w.png;):csad:

Work 'em out, man.

I know of a few friends who over came; but for the most part, they still had skinny legs.Rage will assist me in attaining my goal :yay:

I'll be doing those suckers forever! :cmad:You & me both.

I have about 8 hours left till being reunited with them.


:gulp:

[jaguarr]

Would you suggest subbing them for lat pulldowns?

I actually use a combination of shoulder-width pullups, hammer grip pullups, pulldowns and rack chins. Check my journal over at the other site.

jag

[jaguarr]

I think you and I have the same problem.

How tall are you, Jag?

I'm about 5'5".

I'm 5'6" and ain't gonna get any taller.

jag

[kainedamo]

The sauna shouldn't be a problem. As for the swimming; some of the guys here do light cardio after they lift and it's not detrimental at all. I prefer to keep my cardio days seperate but if you're gonna do some after your lifting, keep it low intensity and no longer than 30 mins. Any more than that and your CNS won't be happy with you.


Do work!

My CNS??

I've done 2 indoor bikie riding classes this week. They're on different days to the body pump classes. The indoor cycling is good. Tough but good. Is swimming after it overdoing it?

[Sun_Down]

My CNS??


LOL, I've been meaning to ask exactly what my brain and spinal cord have to do with all this.

[Colossal Spoons]

I actually use a combination of shoulder-width pullups, hammer grip pullups, pulldowns and rack chins. Check my journal over at the other site.

jag


All those seem like one killer back day. I'd still have to squeeze seated, bent over, and T-bar rows.

[Colossal Spoons]

My CNS??

I've done 2 indoor bikie riding classes this week. They're on different days to the body pump classes. The indoor cycling is good. Tough but good. Is swimming after it overdoing it?

LOL, I've been meaning to ask exactly what my brain and spinal cord have to do with all this.

Weight lifting followed by too much cardio will put a strain on your CNS by feckin up your recovery time. Not to mention weakening the old immune system. People underestimate how susceptible to cold and flus bodybuilders are. :up:

[jaguarr]

All those seem like one killer back day. I'd still have to squeeze seated, bent over, and T-bar rows.

Oh, I do deadlifts and BB rows after all of that. :)

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Forgot about deadlifts too. God, could I do all that and still have time/strength for a bicep workout after that?

[jaguarr]

Forgot about deadlifts too. God, could I do all that and still have time/strength for a bicep workout after that?

Sure. I work my bi's after my back. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I remember when I did biceps before back. Sure, my back exercises suffered a bit towards the end but my biceps were fresh and ready and I got crazy sets in. Now my biceps are at like 80% after the back workout.

[JStorm]

I'm 5'6" and ain't gonna get any taller.

jag


My height worked for me when I played baseball: no strike zone.

Pitcher's hated me. One game, the pitcher willingly walked me because he knew, either way, I would get on base. What they hated even more was the fact that my little legs could move fast.

That had to mess with the picthers mind. "I walk the little guy, and he steals 2nd and 3rd base on no batting effort."

[Colossal Spoons]

^I saw your pic in the photo album. Nice calves dude :up::up:

[JStorm]

^I saw your pic in the photo album. Nice calves dude :up::up:

This will really piss you off; but they are all-natch-u-rale!

All I do is a light leg work-out, if any, and run 5-10 miles a week.

Thanks for checking out my legs, though. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

This will really piss you off; but they are all-natch-u-rale!

All I do is a light leg work-out, if any, and run 5-10 miles a week.

Thanks for checking out my legs, though. :o

Hey, when genetics are in your favor...

God blessed me with biceps :up:

[JStorm]

Hey, when genetics are in your favor...

God blessed me with biceps :up:

My arms are too short for a "good-looking" bicep.

As much as I do, I can only get a tight bicep which looks like an oval.

One of my few joys in fitness was when a guy told me "you're one lean, mean, wolverine-machine."

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, that's quite a compliment.

[jaguarr]

My arms are too short for a "good-looking" bicep.

As much as I do, I can only get a tight bicep which looks like an oval.

One of my few joys in fitness was when a guy told me "you're one lean, mean, wolverine-machine."

Try some reverse grip ez-bar curls and some spider curls. That will help bring the peak out in your biceps. When you've got short, stubby arms like us, you've gotta get 'em much bigger than most guys before the peak of the bicep really starts to pop up.

jag

[JStorm]

I'll look into it.

Thx, Jag.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd actually prefer a nice full bicep over a sick Scott Steiner peak

[JStorm]

I'd actually prefer a nice full bicep over a sick Scott Steiner peak

I agree.

But I do want a bicep that is defined rather than the oval shape I have now.

[enterthemadness]

Jag, what's the point of doing 3 sets of 6 on the chest machine 190lbs +10diff for like 2 weeks...then going down to sets of 3 but 10 reps of 170 +10diff? What does it do to your muscles? Shock them?
:huh:x205.9

[mrvlknight21]

OVAL SHAPE HUH??? You not following the regimen Stormy??????

[JStorm]

Jag, what's the point of doing 3 sets of 6 on the chest machine 190lbs +10diff for like 2 weeks...then going down to sets of 3 but 10 reps of 170 +10diff? What does it do to your muscles? Shock them?
:huh:x205.9

In a way. One does need to shock one's musclse, doing different work-outs does just that.

But what you speak of is simple changing in reps; which, one should do, with all muscles groups, on a weekly basis.

[JStorm]

OVAL SHAPE HUH??? You not following the regimen Stormy??????

Son-of-a-*****! :eek:

[mrvlknight21]

Talking about your legs again I see!

[JStorm]

Talking about your legs again I see!

I'll give you one month, just a month, and I bet my legs don't change one bit.

RossTraining my butt!!

[mrvlknight21]

Do what you like.

[JStorm]

Do what you like.

"the cabinet minister; the whole business."

[mrvlknight21]

LOL....for me, the pump is like cumming inside of a woman.

[Colossal Spoons]

:dry:

[AndThePickles]

:dry:

[mrvlknight21]

Sorry spoons, just a joke btw me and Storm.

[JStorm]

LOL....for me, the pump is like cumming inside of a woman.

You and I reak havoc on the hype like Cheese does to a Pizza Hut.

[mrvlknight21]

and you also pickles...

[Colossal Spoons]

Sorry spoons, just a joke btw me and Storm.

Heh, it's cool. Was just a shock to read.

[JStorm]

:dry:

:dry:

Don't mind us, we's just funnin'.

[mrvlknight21]

so whats the latest? still resting the shoulder Storm?

[AndThePickles]

Don't mind us, we's just funnin'.

Hahaha

[mrvlknight21]

Hey Spoons, that is actually a quote from Arnold in "Pumping Iron"...Storm and I laugh everytime we think about it...it is quite a ridiculous statement.

[Colossal Spoons]

Is that where he's smokin weed?

[JStorm]

so whats the latest? still resting the shoulder Storm?

I was just about to say that.

My shoulders feels tons better. Really, no pain. I'll still follow my two-day break; but it makes me happy that it, in fact, doesn't hurt so I can hit the gym just as hard next week.

Btw, you need to become fast friends to Spoons and Jag, great guys with great tips.

Spoons, Jag, this is Devil (MrvlKnight21)... the man is a machine!! :up:

[JStorm]

Is that where he's smokin weed?

YESSSSSSSSSS!

:D

[mrvlknight21]

same movie, different scene!

[Colossal Spoons]

Btw, you need to become fast friends to Spoons and Jag, great guys with great tips.

Spoons, Jag, this is Devil (MrvlKnight21)... the man is a machine!! :up:

Welcome man. We could always use more fans of superheroes and all things related who aren't lazy couch potatoes. :up::D:up:

[mrvlknight21]

sweet, good to meet you spoons.
Is jag on?

[mrvlknight21]

spoons, what does your "racism is not like scrambled porn" mean

[Colossal Spoons]

Jag has a job and a wife(what a sucker eh?) so he's on at crazy hours.

[JStorm]

Welcome man. We could always use more fans of superheroes and all things related who aren't lazy couch potatoes. :up::D:up:

"Bunch of savages in this town."

[mrvlknight21]

Jag has a job and a wife(what a sucker eh?) so he's on at crazy hours.

yeah that would suck.
:dry:

[JStorm]

Jag has a job and a wife(what a sucker eh?) so he's on at crazy hours.

Edit

[Colossal Spoons]

spoons, what does your "racism is not like scrambled porn" mean

It means that it's not just black and white(the all to familiar color of trying watch porn in between the lines :D) So, if anybody doesn't think there are Indian, Asian, Spanish, Turkish, etc racists in the world....they got another thing comin. :up:

[AndThePickles]

Wives are awesome and make great gym partners :heart:

[mrvlknight21]

Wives are awesome and make great gym partners :heart:

I wish.:huh:

[mrvlknight21]

It means that it's not just black and white(the all to familiar color of trying watch porn in between the lines :D) So, if anybody doesn't think there are Indian, Asian, Spanish, Turkish, etc racists in the world....they got another thing comin. :up:

Ok cool.

[JStorm]

It means that it's not just black and white(the all to familiar color of trying watch porn in between the lines :D) So, if anybody doesn't think there are Indian, Asian, Spanish, Turkish, etc racists in the world....they got another thing comin. :up:

Ten bucks says, Devil and I thought about the same song.

[Colossal Spoons]

"Bunch of savages in this town."

Most of the nerdy Hypsters are quite out of shape. Sterotypical comic fans :csad:

[AndThePickles]

I wish.:huh:

Does your wife not like to work out?

[Colossal Spoons]

Ten bucks says, Devil and I thought about the same song.

I'm humming it right now because of that line. I love you guys! :heart:

[JStorm]

I wish.:huh:

WWAD?

[mrvlknight21]

Does your wife not like to work out?

Negative, I have tried everything. Hell, ask Storm, I gave him my wife's gym membership so he could go with me since she never went (2 times in 6 months equals never).

[AndThePickles]

Negative, I have tried everything. Hell, ask Storm, I gave him my wife's gym membership so he could go with me since she never went (2 times in 6 months equals never).

That really sucks, I love to work out with Spoons.

[JStorm]

I'm humming it right now because of that line. I love you guys! :heart:

I want to work-out now.

It would be nice to work-out with you guys.


Devil, I miss the "mark of the beast." :(