The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm gonna wait and answer your question when I'm not hopped up on Sudafed, dude. :D

jag

Sorry about that bro, get well soon :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

So I tried out rack chins, as per recommendation in this thread, and i've gotta say - it's probably my new favorite excersize.

:woot:

[hey yo its sean]

Personally, I can't STAND being sticky and sweaty after my workouts, so I head right for the showers. But, I work out at home unless I'm traveling for business so it's not really a problem. When I do have to work out at a public gym, I still take a shower afterwards (unless there's horrible, green mold and fungus growing all over the place in the locker room showers that I'm positive are going to attach themselves to my feet, and I have seen that before). I don't mind the other guys in the shower. I usually put up enough weight for them to observe and am big enough for them to not want to bother me while I'm in there. Hell, I even worked out at a gym in the Castro district of San Francisco once when I was away on business and I'm pretty sure I was the only straight guy in the gym. I got a few glances, but even they left me alone. Guess I didn't set off their Gaydar. I'd rather be clean than feel grody and sticky and stink to high heaven (not to mention it's just not very hygienic to run around after a workout without cleaning up.

I can understand the hygiene issue, but I only work out when I know i'll be going home immediately afterwards. Just can't do that communal shower. Hygiene issue.

[punishermax]

What is everyone's splits around here.

I do:

Back/Bi's - Monday

Chest/Tri's/Shoulders - Wednesday

Legs - Friday

Tuesday/Thursday - Cardio/abs

Saturday - Light home gym workout if I'm up to it, if not then light cardio

Sunday - Is my lazy day

Doing good, with my routine so far.

[punishermax]

Also, what do you guys do to take care of fatigue at the end of a set.

Sometimes, I just can't seem to get that last rep or two done.

[mrvlknight21]

punisher-I dont have a real split right now, its hard to even do a split working shifts. Right now, since I am training for a PT test,I am doing pushups, situps and running almost every day.
I would just cut the weight 5-10 pounds to be sure that you get a full set if the numbers are that important to you. If they arent and a set of like 6 reps instead of 8 is as many as you can do, thats good enough to improve strength.
I am assuming that you are Chris Stone on that ABW website?

[JStorm]

punisher-I dont have a real split right now, its hard to even do a split working shifts. Right now, since I am training for a PT test,I am doing pushups, situps and running almost every day.
I would just cut the weight 5-10 pounds to be sure that you get a full set if the numbers are that important to you. If they arent and a set of like 6 reps instead of 8 is as many as you can do, thats good enough to improve strength.
I am assuming that you are Chris Stone on that ABW website?


You don't have much more time, Devil.

You better run 'til you puke, push-up 'til you pop, and sit-up 'til you croak.

[AndThePickles]

Glad you liked the rack chins, Sean. Great exercise for getting a really wide back. :up:

jag

Hmm.....maybe I don't want to do those....:dry:

[jaguarr]

Hmm.....maybe I don't want to do those....:dry:

Guys are more prone to wide back development than women are. It will build your back up a bit, though, which is sexy IMHO (think of that shot of Jessica Biehl's back in Blade 3 as an example). Don't worry; the only way you're going to start looking like She-Hulk is if you start shooting anabolics, eating like a horse and working out like a powerlifter. These are also a great gateway to being able to do a full bodyweight pullup, which there aren't many women that can do that, so that would be very cool as well.

Day Six of the Black Plague continues here in the jungle. I'm on the upswing, I think, but Lady Jag is a wreck from this stuff. I think we'll be heading into the doc this afternoon to get some drugs to help finish kicking this stuff. Meh.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

This is an off week for me. Feels weird not going to the gym. I think I'll at least do some cardio so I don't go stir crazy.

[mrvlknight21]

Wow, Spoons has changed avatars again. My guess is bacteria...but whats the difference realy?
Jag, I dont remember Blade 3....and I believe I am glad for that.

[Colossal Spoons]

Blade 3 wasn't that bad. HHH was in it :D

Yeah, cheetos, bacteria. Same thing.

[Sun_Down]

Heading out to do chest/triceps in a bit. Missed my Saturday workout 'cause I was sick, so I'm ready to move some damn iron!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

This is an off week for me. Feels weird not going to the gym. I think I'll at least do some cardio so I don't go stir crazy.


Yeah this week is getting back on track for me, but last week was all over the place.

Hey Jag, feeling better?

[punishermax]

punisher-I dont have a real split right now, its hard to even do a split working shifts. Right now, since I am training for a PT test,I am doing pushups, situps and running almost every day.
I would just cut the weight 5-10 pounds to be sure that you get a full set if the numbers are that important to you. If they arent and a set of like 6 reps instead of 8 is as many as you can do, thats good enough to improve strength.
I am assuming that you are Chris Stone on that ABW website?

Yeah, thats me from about 2 years ago, I've lost about 60 pounds since then.

[jaguarr]

I'm on the road to recovery. Went to the doc today. Lady Jag's got borderline walking pneumonia. Doc said I probably had it over the weekend but seem to be recovering. I'm hoping I'll be back at the weight this weekend or at least the first part of next week. I've lost 5 lbs. since I got sick, though. Not cool! I'm down from 200 to 195. Glad my appetite is starting to come back. :cmad:

I run a three day split, but I'm an old guy so I need more time to recover. I typically go:

Day 1: Chest/Tri's
Day 2: Cardio
Day 3: Legs/Shoulders
Day 4: Cardio
Day 5: Back/Bi's
Day 6: Cardio
Day 7: REST

Sometimes I'll switch it up and away from the push/pull and run it like this:

Day 1: Chest/Bi's
Day 2: Cardio
Day 3: Legs/Shoulders
Day 4: Cardio
Day 5: Back/Tri's
Day 6: Cardio
Day 7: REST

Doing this takes away the pre-exhaustion factor of push/pull on the tri's & bi's so they're more fresh and I can hit them uber hard on their designated days. It also allows those muscles to be hit twice a week; once directly and once indirectly with the chest and back work that I do. I switch it up to keep things interesting and keep my muscles from "learning" my routine. :up:

jag

[jaguarr]

Here's a good read on cardio for ya'll (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson178.htm).
jag

[punishermax]

Here's a good read on cardio for ya'll (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson178.htm).
jag

That article is great. Good points in it. And it backed up what I've told my friends for years, that walking isn't a good workout.

[jaguarr]

That article is great. Good points in it. And it backed up what I've told my friends for years, that walking isn't a good workout.

It really depends on the purpose of the cardio. If you're looking to elevate your heart rate for a sustained period of time and gently expand your lungs and cardiovascular system (which are both very useful and healthy things to do), walking trumps all. It really is great exercise and has it's place. If you're looking to quickly burn off fat while minimizing muscle burn then HIIT might be a better choice than something more strenuous than walking but still sustained such as cycling for example. In the warmer months, I cycle quite a bit so I usually wind up taking extra cardio out of the equation completely but I'll also take walks on my lunch hours as well just because I enjoy the fresh air and being away from my desk and I know it's good for my heart rate, cardiovascular system and blood pressure and it won't burn much muscle either since I usually do it after lunch. Every type of activity has it's place where cardio is concerned. From my perspective, though, the best kind of cardio is the kind you like the most and are likely to keep doing regularly because otherwise you won't stay with it and then it's worthless to you. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

If my friends weren't lazy slobs, I'd def take up racquetball back home. I love to play it here at school.

There is my friend Carl who's kinda chubby and asked me to help him in the gym. I'm sure I can coax him into playin w/ me.

[mrvlknight21]

Yeah, thats me from about 2 years ago, I've lost about 60 pounds since then.

Hey great job man!

[mrvlknight21]

I'm on the road to recovery. Went to the doc today. Lady Jag's got borderline walking pneumonia. Doc said I probably had it over the weekend but seem to be recovering. I'm hoping I'll be back at the weight this weekend or at least the first part of next week. I've lost 5 lbs. since I got sick, though. Not cool! I'm down from 200 to 195. Glad my appetite is starting to come back. :cmad:

I run a three day split, but I'm an old guy so I need more time to recover. I typically go:

Day 1: Chest/Tri's
Day 2: Cardio
Day 3: Legs/Shoulders
Day 4: Cardio
Day 5: Back/Bi's
Day 6: Cardio
Day 7: REST

Sometimes I'll switch it up and away from the push/pull and run it like this:

Day 1: Chest/Bi's
Day 2: Cardio
Day 3: Legs/Shoulders
Day 4: Cardio
Day 5: Back/Tri's
Day 6: Cardio
Day 7: REST

Doing this takes away the pre-exhaustion factor of push/pull on the tri's & bi's so they're more fresh and I can hit them uber hard on their designated days. It also allows those muscles to be hit twice a week; once directly and once indirectly with the chest and back work that I do. I switch it up to keep things interesting and keep my muscles from "learning" my routine. :up:

jag

Glad you are starting to feel better Jag. So, how old are ya????
I used to do these exact routines. JStorm couldnt understand why we would separate chest and tris and do chest and bis instead, since we would normally follow that routine. Cetainly muscle confusion will help growth!

[jaguarr]

Glad you are starting to feel better Jag. So, how old are ya????
I used to do these exact routines. JStorm couldnt understand why we would separate chest and tris and do chest and bis instead, since we would normally follow that routine. Cetainly muscle confusion will help growth!

I'm 37. Old enough to know better, but young enough to do it anyway. :D I've done a lot of different routines but I always wind up coming back to some variation of what I listed above as it's always worked very well for me.

jag

[Superman79]

Blade 3 wasn't that bad. HHH was in it :D

Yeah, cheetos, bacteria. Same thing.

I think you meant to say Blade 3 wasn't that bad because JESSICA BIEL was in it...:woot:

That, and it coulda been much worse...Jimmy Fallon coulda been in it! :csad:

[jaguarr]

I hate Jimmy Fallon. :(

jag

[Superman79]

What is everyone's splits around here.

Due to my class schedule I operate a little wierdly, that and I change order and relation of body parts for freshness, but right now:

Monday: Back/Bi's
Tuesday: Chest/Tri's
Wednesday: Cardio
Thursday: Shoulders/Calves
Friday: Bi's/Tri's
Saturday: off
Sunday: Cardio/legs

I really don't overdo my legs so much anymore, I was a lineman in highschool so my thighs were/are still rather large and muscled so some basic activity keeps them at the right size for me as a non-athelete.

As for the second arms day, I started that a while back. I have a rather barrel chest and I needed to bring my arms up to look more proprtional...and it's working.

[Superman79]

I hate Jimmy Fallon. :(

jag

we all do.

Sometimes when I'm really tired during cardio, I imagine I'm chasing him or Rosie O'Donnell (on my slower days ;)) to beat the crap out of them...it really works as a pick me up:D

[mrvlknight21]

I'm 37. Old enough to know better, but young enough to do it anyway. :D I've done a lot of different routines but I always wind up coming back to some variation of what I listed above as it's always worked very well for me.

jag

Well, I am not far behind you, I will be 32 in a few months!

[mrvlknight21]

I know this isnt the forum for it, but I wanted to make sure you guys knew about it (if you are even interested). This week at Best Buy there are certain movies you can buy for $9.99 (V for Vendetta and Constantine, to name a couple) and with that purchase you receive a behind the scenes DVD for 300 which includes training, production design, stunt work, interviews, etc etc, plus a ticket to see 300 (which is about a $9 value in itself)! I know some of the stuff on the behind the scenes dvd is online, but I like to have it in my hands, plus the ticket is in there.
So, fans of 300/Frank Miller-get a DVD for $10, get a free 300 behind the scenes DVD and a free ticket to see 300!

By the way, I did post this in the 300 forum as well.

[jaguarr]

Well, I am not far behind you, I will be 32 in a few months!

When's your birthday? Mine's in June.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

we all do.

Sometimes when I'm really tired during cardio, I imagine I'm chasing him or Rosie O'Donnell (on my slower days ;)) to beat the crap out of them...it really works as a pick me up:D

Thats strange, I dont hate Jimmy Fallon, but I am not fond of the overhyped Jessica Beil either....call me weird, I know, JStorm gives me hell over Beil all the time also.

[jaguarr]

Beil's hot but she can't act to save her life. :D

jag

[mrvlknight21]

When's your birthday? Mine's in June.

jag

me too, june 24!

[jaguarr]

me too, june 24!


Mine's June 13th! :up:

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Mine's June 13th! :up:

jag

cool man!

[mrvlknight21]

Mine's June 13th! :up:

jag

Apparently we have something else in common based on what I read in another thread....luck o the irish!

[kytrigger]

Just got back from my cardio, and it sucked. I just had a ****ty workout today and it's annoying the hell out of me. I mean, I don't ever really like doing cardio, but at least afterwards I always feel good about it, but not today. Oh well, hopefully I'll do better tomorrow.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Nice Denver avvy! :D

[jaguarr]

Just got back from my cardio, and it sucked. I just had a ****ty workout today and it's annoying the hell out of me. I mean, I don't ever really like doing cardio, but at least afterwards I always feel good about it, but not today. Oh well, hopefully I'll do better tomorrow.

Everybody had supbar workouts now and again. Things like sleep, diet, stress and other factors can impact your ability to workout at the level you are used to or desire to. At least you made it through it. Shake it off and do better next time. As long as you're giving your all and doing your best in any given workout, that's what matters most. :up:

jag

[Superman79]

Beil's hot but she can't act to save her life. :D

jag

oh, I agree but the hottness factor REALLY makes up for it...that and her acting has improved, check out the Illusionist...she was really pretty good in it...and to make it fitness realted, she is still in killer shape :D

[Superman79]

Just got back from my cardio, and it sucked. I just had a ****ty workout today and it's annoying the hell out of me. I mean, I don't ever really like doing cardio, but at least afterwards I always feel good about it, but not today. Oh well, hopefully I'll do better tomorrow.

I know how you feel. I HATE haveing a bad workout...it puts me in a foul mood for the rest of the day/night.

[kytrigger]

^Nice Denver avvy! :Dhaha thanks...I'm surprised you know it, becaue it seems that most people I talk to don't remember the show.

Everybody had supbar workouts now and again. Things like sleep, diet, stress and other factors can impact your ability to workout at the level you are used to or desire to. At least you made it through it. Shake it off and do better next time. As long as you're giving your all and doing your best in any given workout, that's what matters most. :up:

jagVery true. And it's all things that I know, but I still get all pissy anyway. But I will admit it does help to have someone else tell it to you, refreshes me a bit. Thanks :up:

[mrvlknight21]

Anyone here train their grip/hands? If so, what are you doing?

[jaguarr]

Anyone here train their grip/hands? If so, what are you doing?

Farmers Walks are a good one. :up:

Also, check out the Captains Of Crush (http://www.captainsofcrush.couk.com/) website.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I hate Jimmy Fallon. :(

jag


:mad: How did he ever make it on SNL?

[mrvlknight21]

Farmers Walks are a good one. :up:

Also, check out the Captains Of Crush (http://www.captainsofcrush.couk.com/) website.

jag

Yeah a friend turned me on to Ironmind/Capts of Crush. I have a few of their grippers and do various other things. He has a TON of stuff, almost every hand strength product that they offer! I just didnt know if anyone else did any hand stuff.
Farmers walks are a great tool for all sorts of muscles really-I like to use it as a finisher to a workout.

[jaguarr]

:mad: How did he ever make it on SNL?


How did he ever make it out of the womb? :huh:

jag

[jaguarr]

Yeah a friend turned me on to Ironmind/Capts of Crush. I have a few of their grippers and do various other things. He has a TON of stuff, almost every hand strength product that they offer! I just didnt know if anyone else did any hand stuff.
Farmers walks are a great tool for all sorts of muscles really-I like to use it as a finisher to a workout.

I do some Farmer's Walks now and again, but I have to be careful with not overworking my flexor muscles in my forearms due to some slight carpal tunnel syndrome. A little bit helps it quite a bit, but too much of it and it just aggravates it.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

How did he ever make it out of the womb? :huh:

jag

Dang, you guys are some haters on Fallon!

[jaguarr]

Very true. And it's all things that I know, but I still get all pissy anyway. But I will admit it does help to have someone else tell it to you, refreshes me a bit. Thanks :up:

Glad to provide you with an E-Slap. :D

jag

[jaguarr]

Dang, you guys are some haters on Fallon!

He makes me think that abortions could be justifiably retroactive.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Oh and hey Jag, since you seem to be feeling better.

Think you could help me out with my question from the other day?

How much should I gain before I start to cut?

From the articles I read on bb.com it says lift for 4-6months (depending) to bulk then cut for 4-6 months (depending)

But I know everyone's body works differently such as mine, I gain muscle decently but I cut/drop weight pretty fast.

I am currently around 156lbs so I put on 6lbs since the first week of feb, I know only maybe 1/2lbs of that is muscle and the rest mostly water weight with some body fat mixed in. Although my body fat % didn't go up more than a 1/2% from when I weighed myself at 150.

If I want to cut down to roughly 150lbs and be around 10% body fat how much should I bulk up to first? 170lbs?

If I am at 19% body fat right now that means I am weighing in at 29.64lbs of body fat, of course a good 5lbs of that is probably water weight. But let's say I drop to 10% body fat at my current weight.

That means I would lose roughly 14lbs of weight and drop down to 142lbs? So if I want to be around 150lbs with 10% body fat, does that mean I have to bulk up to 165-170lbs?

Or am I leaving something out or not taking some other factor into consideration?

[mrvlknight21]

He makes me think that abortions could be justifiably retroactive.

jag

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jaguarr]

I'd aim for about 175 if your BF % is that high at the moment. Throw in more cardio to what you're doing while you're bulking. You should be able to add muscle while still adding muscle.

jag

[theShape]

What are your best recommendations for gaining 10-15 pounds of muscle?

I'm 6'2'' and have a very slender, athletic build. I run 5 days a week. I run track, which is a great workoutthat varies from day to day and it works out for me great. Helps with speed and endurance, which are important to me, because I also play football. I usually lift 3 days a week, but next week I'm starting to lift 4 days a week. I attack the weights when it comes to upper body, but haven't been lifting my legs as much lately which is a problem. However, that ends next week as well.

However, I now need to get bigger, heavier, stronger -- at least 10 pounds of muscle. Basically, my football coach told me I need to get jacked, so I'm setting my goal at 10-15 pounds by summer or mid-summer. Since our football lifting workouts are starting now, I'm going to be lifting much heavier than I had been over the winter, and this will be going on as I run track this spring. I weigh 165 lbs right now and am having trouble gaining weight. Sure, I can gain a couple of pounds, but it always balances itself back out to my current weight sooner or later. It's hard for me because I do so much running, not enough lifting, and probably not enough eating. I eat as much as I can, but it never translates into me gaining a solid amount of weight.

What do you guys recommend?

[theShape]

Oh, and my BF% is 9.1 right now.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'd aim for about 175 if your BF % is that high at the moment. Throw in more cardio to what you're doing while you're bulking. You should be able to add muscle while still adding muscle.

jag


Well that is what the electronic scale said, I personally don't think my body fat% is that high, I think it's closer to 15%, I am fairly lean. I really don't think I have almost 30lbs of fat on me right now. Maybe 20lbs, 30lbs of fat on me just seems like a lot right now. Plus I have a vague outline of a 4 pack, not sure if that is possible at 19% body fat.

Oh and I don't do any cardio right now, lol. I know I should, but I really think it will cut my gains. Anytime I do cardio I drop weight really fast.

[jaguarr]

What are your best recommendations for gaining 10-15 pounds of muscle?

I'm 6'2'' and have a very slender, athletic build. I run 5 days a week. I run track, which is a great workoutthat varies from day to day and it works out for me great. Helps with speed and endurance, which are important to me, because I also play football. I usually lift 3 days a week, but next week I'm starting to lift 4 days a week. I attack the weights when it comes to upper body, but haven't been lifting my legs as much lately which is a problem. However, that ends next week as well.

However, I now need to get bigger, heavier, stronger -- at least 10 pounds of muscle. Basically, my football coach told me I need to get jacked, so I'm setting my goal at 10-15 pounds by summer or mid-summer. Since our football lifting workouts are starting now, I'm going to be lifting much heavier than I had been over the winter, and this will be going on as I run track this spring. I weigh 165 lbs right now and am having trouble gaining weight. Sure, I can gain a couple of pounds, but it always balances itself back out to my current weight sooner or later. It's hard for me because I do so much running, not enough lifting, and probably not enough eating. I eat as much as I can, but it never translates into me gaining a solid amount of weight.

What do you guys recommend?

Eating is the biggest thing that will help you put on mass. Track your diet in NutriDiary (http://www.nutridiary.com). I bet you'll find that you're undereating. You need ~500 calories per day more than you're expending and with all the weight training and running you're doing, you'll have a harder time getting all those calories you need. And I would cut back on the running at least a little bit as that's going to get in the way of adding bulk as well. Base your lifting routines on core and compound lifts like flat bench, squat, dead lift, clean and press, snatch, etc. They work more of your body as a whole and will help you add muscle. And eat. And eat. And eat. :)

jag

[jaguarr]

Well that is what the electronic scale said, I personally don't think my body fat% is that high, I think it's closer to 15%, I am fairly lean. I really don't think I have almost 30lbs of fat on me right now. Maybe 20lbs, 30lbs of fat on me just seems like a lot right now. Plus I have a vague outline of a 4 pack, not sure if that is possible at 19% body fat.

Oh and I don't do any cardio right now, lol. I know I should, but I really think it will cut my gains. Anytime I do cardio I drop weight really fast.

If you have the outline of a 4-pack you're probably more at like 14% or so, maybe less. Those scales are legally retarded when it comes to accurate BF% readings. Cardio is not the devil for bulkers, though. On the contrary, it will help keep your appetite stoked so you can eat all that food you need to be consuming and keep it from turning into too much fat. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

What are your best recommendations for gaining 10-15 pounds of muscle?

I'm 6'2'' and have a very slender, athletic build. I run 5 days a week. I run track, which is a great workoutthat varies from day to day and it works out for me great. Helps with speed and endurance, which are important to me, because I also play football. I usually lift 3 days a week, but next week I'm starting to lift 4 days a week. I attack the weights when it comes to upper body, but haven't been lifting my legs as much lately which is a problem. However, that ends next week as well.

However, I now need to get bigger, heavier, stronger -- at least 10 pounds of muscle. Basically, my football coach told me I need to get jacked, so I'm setting my goal at 10-15 pounds by summer or mid-summer. Since our football lifting workouts are starting now, I'm going to be lifting much heavier than I had been over the winter, and this will be going on as I run track this spring. I weigh 165 lbs right now and am having trouble gaining weight. Sure, I can gain a couple of pounds, but it always balances itself back out to my current weight sooner or later. It's hard for me because I do so much running, not enough lifting, and probably not enough eating. I eat as much as I can, but it never translates into me gaining a solid amount of weight.

What do you guys recommend?

You're going to need to eat like a monster. 2 grams of protein per body lbs weight. so at least 330g of protein a day and 6 meals and probably 3,500 calories for you.

Jag may recommend a little more but he should recommend something close to that. Lift hard, try to eat clean and cut back on the cardio a little, don't want to over do it or you will not gain as fast.

Sleep at least 7-8 hours a day.

www.bodybuilding.com has tons of useful information that you can read up on. And their articles are split into the sections you want. Size, cutting, sport training etc.

[theShape]

Eating is the biggest thing that will help you put on mass. Track your diet in NutriDiary (http://www.nutridiary.com). I bet you'll find that you're undereating. You need ~500 calories per day more than you're expending and with all the weight training and running you're doing, you'll have a harder time getting all those calories you need. And I would cut back on the running at least a little bit as that's going to get in the way of adding bulk as well. Base your lifting routines on core and compound lifts like flat bench, squat, dead lift, clean and press, snatch, etc. They work more of your body as a whole and will help you add muscle. And eat. And eat. And eat. :)

jag

Yeah, eating probably is the biggest aspect of this problem. As for cutting down the running, that's just something I can't do because I'm comitted to track right now. The football lifting is something I'm doing just to get prepared for the summer when we really haul ass in the weight room. Ans the lifting you described is exactly what I do, snatch, cleans, dead lifts, benching, squats, all that stuff and more, plus a physio ball core workout as well.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

If you have the outline of a 4-pack you're probably more at like 14% or so, maybe less. Those scales are legally retarded when it comes to accurate BF% readings. Cardio is not the devil for bulkers, though. On the contrary, it will help keep your appetite stoked so you can eat all that food you need to be consuming and keep it from turning into too much fat. :up:

jag

Yeah that's what I thought, but I've been told contradictory things. I was initially told they can be off by as much as 10% or more and usually around 6% on average. The only thing I like to use the scale for is losing body fat%, because if it says 19% when I get on one month and 16% the next, I am pretty sure that I lost 3% of body fat.

As for the actual % number I was always sketchy on it. I took it with a grain of salt. My bro in law hovers around 210-235lbs but he works out on a regular basis and it says he has 20% body fat. I seriously doubt he has 40+lbs of fat on his body because he is in really good shape.

Anyway, thanks Jag I'll add cardio, I was just a little hesitant because anytime I do cardio I drop weight like crazy. Just the way my body works, I know a lot of initially is water weight but we'll see how things go this time around.

I know when I was jogging in the summer my legs and glutes really started to gain and tone.

[jaguarr]

Yeah, eating probably is the biggest aspect of this problem. As for cutting down the running, that's just something I can't do because I'm comitted to track right now. The football lifting is something I'm doing just to get prepared for the summer when we really haul ass in the weight room. Ans the lifting you described is exactly what I do, snatch, cleans, dead lifts, benching, squats, all that stuff and more, plus a physio ball core workout as well.

You're gonna need to eat more, bottom line. And BAH is spot on with the protein intake (make sure you're consuming a gallon of water per day or more to keep your kidney's cleaned out from all that protein consumption). Track your diet like I suggested; I'll bet you're undereating.

jag

[theShape]

Alright, thanks guys. Any recommendations for food to eat?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah, eating probably is the biggest aspect of this problem. As for cutting down the running, that's just something I can't do because I'm comitted to track right now. The football lifting is something I'm doing just to get prepared for the summer when we really haul ass in the weight room. Ans the lifting you described is exactly what I do, snatch, cleans, dead lifts, benching, squats, all that stuff and more, plus a physio ball core workout as well.

Well like Jag said, eat, eat and eat. I'm shorter than you 5'7" and weigh a little less, 156lbs right now. At the begining of the month I was 150lbs. So in about 3 weeks I've added 6lbs, but a lot of it is water and fat, only maybe 1/2lbs of muscle, maybe a pound at most, but I doubt that much.

I currently eat 5-6 times a day, 240-270g of protein a day and close to 3,000 calories and I am not doing any cardio right now, once I start I will probably drop a few lbs, but hopefully not too many for more than an initial week or two. So you should really start eating like a mad man.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Alright, thanks guys. Any recommendations for food to eat?


Tuna, Slamon, Grilled chicken, steak (red meat) twice a week maybe three, oatmeal, whole wheat bread, sandwhiches (at least an inch of meat on it), baked potatoes, black beans, broccoli, bananas, oranges, protein shakes (optimum nutrition 100% whey) ebay it imho it's cheaper to buy.

Lots of nutrition facts on the bb.com website as well. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You're gonna need to eat more, bottom line. And BAH is spot on with the protein intake (make sure you're consuming a gallon of water per day or more to keep your kidney's cleaned out from all that protein consumption). Track your diet like I suggested; I'll bet you're undereating.

jag


Oh yeah, almost forgot that, H2o, most important. I drink a gallon day, I piss like crazy but it keeps my system flushed. :up:

Yeah and with the protein, take it from me. I used to only eat 1gram per body lb, it helped get me toned but I didn't gain any size. Now at 2g per, I am gaining a lot faster. :up:

Thanks to Jag :up:

[theShape]

Okay, I'll keep this all in mind. Thanks a lot for the help.

[jaguarr]

Alright, thanks guys. Any recommendations for food to eat?

Shoot for a 40% Protein/40% Carbs/20% Fatty Acids ratio in your diet. BAH listed some good ones. Complex carbs are better than more simple carbs so things like yams, oatmeal, brown rice, wheat pasta, beans and lentils are good sources of that. For protein, you're going to need a good whey protein (a lot of us like Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey Gold Standard), but lean beef a couple times a week would be good (and has the added benefit of providing creatine naturally), fish (tuna, salmon, mackerel), chicken and turkey are all good sources as are nuts, peanut butter and of course eggs. For fatty acids, fish oil caps are a good addition to your diet. So is using olive oil in your cooking. You'll get some of these fatty acids from your diet as well.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Shoot for a 40% Protein/40% Carbs/20% Fatty Acids ratio in your diet. BAH listed some good ones. Complex carbs are better than more simple carbs so things like yams, oatmeal, brown rice, wheat pasta, beans and lentils are good sources of that. For protein, you're going to need a good whey protein (a lot of us like Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey Gold Standard), but lean beef a couple times a week would be good (and has the added benefit of providing creatine naturally), fish (tuna, salmon, mackerel), chicken and turkey are all good sources as are nuts, peanut butter and of course eggs. For fatty acids, fish oil caps are a good addition to your diet. So is using olive oil in your cooking. You'll get some of these fatty acids from your diet as well.

jag

I should mention that natural peanut butter is the way to go. They should have it at your local grocery store, and it should be with the rest of the peanut butter. It just says 100% natural and has a lot of oil in it that you will need to mix in with the peanut butter itself.

IMHO it tastes a lot better than skippy or jiff or the other stuff.

Also vitamins, a good mutli vitamin, fish oil as jag said, flaxseed oil, a B12 vitamin would be good with your high level of activity.

[jaguarr]

Natty PB or Addam's are the best. God I miss peanut butter. I developed a peanut oil allergy a couple years ago. :(

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Natty PB or Addam's are the best. God I miss peanut butter. I developed a peanut oil allergy a couple years ago. :(

jag

That sucks, sorry to hear that Jag. Hey Jag are there any somewhat small and fairly accurate tools that are not to expensive for measuring body fat?

I know calipares (sp) are one but I heard that if you don't know what you're doing they can be way off.

[jaguarr]

Calipers require some training and they're just as unreliable as everything else because everyone does it differently. Hard to do on yourself, too. There are some BF% measuring units made by Omron, but everyone I know that has one calls them Omorons because they're so inconsistent. I personally don't get too hung up on the BF% thing and tend to just pay attention to what I see in the mirror and in progress photos.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Calipers require some training and they're just as unreliable as everything else because everyone does it differently. Hard to do on yourself, too. There are some BF% measuring units made by Omron, but everyone I know that has one calls them Omorons because they're so inconsistent. I personally don't get too hung up on the BF% thing and tend to just pay attention to what I see in the mirror and in progress photos.

jag

Sounds good :up:

[theShape]

Funny that you guys mentioned peanut butter. I just recently developed a habit of eating peanut butter out of the jar daily, just by itself. I love it, so that's good for me, then.

[Sun_Down]

Yeah and with the protein, take it from me. I used to only eat 1gram per body lb, it helped get me toned but I didn't gain any size. Now at 2g per, I am gaining a lot faster. :up:



Man, how do you do it? I'm taking a 52g protein supplement everyday and I'm still only a little over 1 g/lb.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Man, how do you do it? I'm taking a 52g protein supplement everyday and I'm still only a little over 1 g/lb.

Eat, eat and eat. Well here this might help, I had Jag help me out too, and I agree with what he has to say, without protein shakes and supplements I wouldn't come close to that number.

So for breakfast I eat about 5 eggs, 2 yolks and 5 egg whites, so that is roughly 20g of protein. I also eat 1 slice of 100% whole wheat toasted.

Next (depending some meals might switch places but are usually the same). I drink 24oz of 2% fat organic milk (I try to make it organic but it's almost double the price so it varies). And 3 scoops of 100% gold whey protein shake by optimum nutrition. That comes out to 72g of protein right there.

Then a whole wheat turkey sandwhich (roughly 20-30g) of protein (one inch of meat packed on it) light mayo and some baby spinach.

Next 1 can of tuna (roughly 28g of protein)

Then 1 grilled chicken breast (or steak) varies from 25-40g or protein depending on size, the steaks I usually eat are more than 8oz. Steamed broccoli, and baked potato or black beans.

Then another shake another 72g of protein.

So that's at least what....247g of protein at least. Sometimes I only eat 5 meals other times I eat 6. So some days I am only getting around 200 g other days I am pushing close to 300g depending on how much I eat and how large my servings are. Like I said the steaks I eat are pretty big more than 8oz.

Once I start jogging either this week or next I am sure I will probably start to consume even more.

[mrvlknight21]

If you have the outline of a 4-pack you're probably more at like 14% or so, maybe less. Those scales are legally retarded when it comes to accurate BF% readings. Cardio is not the devil for bulkers, though. On the contrary, it will help keep your appetite stoked so you can eat all that food you need to be consuming and keep it from turning into too much fat. :up:

jag

I agree those scales are bogus!

[Colossal Spoons]

Glad to see this thread so full of activity :D

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Glad to see this thread so full of activity :D


And just where the hell have you been cheetoes man? :D

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

SOB! I can't find the article or the post, maybe it was you Jag where I read someone talking about lifting and increasing the weight each time, even by 1lb or even 1/2lbs. I just went through 30 pages of posts and links over at bb.com and can't find the article/post I was reading.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Jag? Spoons?

[Colossal Spoons]

And just where the hell have you been cheetoes man? :D

This is hell week for me(3 tests and a ski trip this weekend) so I decided now would be the best time for an off week. :up:

Although, I did do abs and forearms today.....can't stay away from the weights entirely :O

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

This is hell week for me(3 tests and a ski trip this weekend) so I decided now would be the best time for an off week. :up:

Although, I did do abs and forearms today.....can't stay away from the weights entirely :O


nice :up: yeah I hear you bro, last week was my off week, vegas for all star weekend, phat tuesday, reno then class but still got two work outs in :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

I plan on hitting Mardi Gras once N'Orleans looks presentable again.

[AndThePickles]

Hell yes.

[mrvlknight21]

I dont know that New Orleans was ever "presentable." At least the parts I saw back in 2004 looked pretty trashy.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well yeah lol

[ShadowBoxing]

I'll do it once. I sounds like it would be a blasty blast (first and last time I quote steal from Dane Cook -- god I feel like a massive tool).

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I knew you'd join the republic soon enough


go Dane!

[kytrigger]

I plan on hitting Mardi Gras once N'Orleans looks presentable again.
My mom lives in the french quarter. That whole area where you would actually be for Mardi Gras is just as presentable as it was before Katrina. All the strip clubs and t-shirt shops are back in full force.

[Colossal Spoons]

My mom lives in the french quarter. That whole area where you would actually be for Mardi Gras is just as presentable as it was before Katrina. All the strip clubs and t-shirt shops are back in full force.

Woooooord?

[kytrigger]

Woooooord?
Yep, that's basically all the French Quarter is. Strip Clubs, bars, and t-shirt shops. Oh and one street over there are antique shops on Royal Street, because nothign says Mardi Gras like antiquing.

[Colossal Spoons]

If the area weren't so damn crime infested, I'd be more excited.

[kytrigger]

Eh, just keep your "do work" face on the entire time and you should be okay.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hahaha, that leaves ATP open for attack. She doesn't have a scary face :(

[mrvlknight21]

Hahaha, that leaves ATP open for attack. She doesn't have a scary face :(

Thats what you are there for though, Spoons, to protect her!
As for me, there is no need to go to Mardi Gras, ever, nothing there for me.
But you guys enjoy.

[AndThePickles]

Thats what you are there for though, Spoons, to protect her!
As for me, there is no need to go to Mardi Gras, ever, nothing there for me.
But you guys enjoy.

Yeah, instead of shoving me in front and running away like you normally do!! I can't make the :cmad: face in real life :csad:

[ShadowBoxing]

I have this paralyzing fear that one day Taiwarriorz will start posting in this thread :(

[jaguarr]

I have this paralyzing fear that one day Taiwarriorz will start posting in this thread :(

Maybe he can tell us all how to do a 600 lb. squat. :oldrazz:

jag

[BRUTAL]

I can bench eleventy-eight hundred poundees!!!

[ShadowBoxing]

Maybe he can tell us all how to do a 600 lb. squat. :oldrazz:

jag
And or start trying to give out fitness advice in his typical know-it-all fratastical style.

"He guys you needs to does the bench press. It'l make yur chest pop out like wheaux! Me and my homes Carter (who is dating Jennifer Porth). We were up in the gym yesterday maxing out at 315lbs, 2 presses...and he was all like 'dog we need to do the bench press'. And I was like righteous. LOLz haterz, you can hate all you want but we be putting up those presses like mad. You scrawy internet message boarders who are all fat from posting needs to work out more like me. I gots a musclur build and the ladys love it. Word up to the J-man".

[kytrigger]

Hahaha, that leaves ATP open for attack. She doesn't have a scary face :(
It's okay, she doesn't need it. She will have the Beads of Justice to protect her.

[mrvlknight21]

I have this paralyzing fear that one day Taiwarriorz will start posting in this thread :(

God, lets hope not.

[mrvlknight21]

And or start trying to give out fitness advice in his typical know-it-all fratastical style.

"He guys you needs to does the bench press. It'l make yur chest pop out like wheaux! Me and my homes Carter (who is dating Jennifer Porth). We were up in the gym yesterday maxing out at 315lbs, 2 presses...and he was all like 'dog we need to do the bench press'. And I was like righteous. LOLz haterz, you can hate all you want but we be putting up those presses like mad. You scrawy internet message boarders who are all fat from posting needs to work out more like me. I gots a musclur build and the ladys love it. Word up to the J-man".

Fn HILARIOUS!!!!!

[jaguarr]

"Word up to the J-Man". LOFL! :D

jag

[Kyalesyin]

And or start trying to give out fitness advice in his typical know-it-all fratastical style.

"He guys you needs to does the bench press. It'l make yur chest pop out like wheaux! Me and my homes Carter (who is dating Jennifer Porth). We were up in the gym yesterday maxing out at 315lbs, 2 presses...and he was all like 'dog we need to do the bench press'. And I was like righteous. LOLz haterz, you can hate all you want but we be putting up those presses like mad. You scrawy internet message boarders who are all fat from posting needs to work out more like me. I gots a musclur build and the ladys love it. Word up to the J-man".

You gave Tai your password, didn't you?

[ShadowBoxing]

"Word up to the J-Man". LOFL! :D

jag
Posting in Tai-talk is easy. It's like speaking in tongues, you just shut your brain off and let the "lord" do the talking for you.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'll do it once. I sounds like it would be a blasty blast (first and last time I quote steal from Dane Cook -- god I feel like a massive tool).

Oh oh, Dane, you silly *****! :D

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

And or start trying to give out fitness advice in his typical know-it-all fratastical style.

"He guys you needs to does the bench press. It'l make yur chest pop out like wheaux! Me and my homes Carter (who is dating Jennifer Porth). We were up in the gym yesterday maxing out at 315lbs, 2 presses...and he was all like 'dog we need to do the bench press'. And I was like righteous. LOLz haterz, you can hate all you want but we be putting up those presses like mad. You scrawy internet message boarders who are all fat from posting needs to work out more like me. I gots a musclur build and the ladys love it. Word up to the J-man".

Please tell me that is not an actual quote from him....:csad: because I don't know who this jtai character is.

[Kyalesyin]

Please tell me that is not an actual quote from him....:csad:

Not yet...

[ShadowBoxing]

Not yet...
but one day:csad:

[PhoenixRisen]

http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc209.jpg
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, but nobody wanna lift heavy-ass weight."


jag
ok i had to post this here since this *very thread* is where i had the idea of who to cast for apocalypse for a manip competition going on right now in the x-men last stand thread....hehe....
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i169/PhoenixRisen7/AOA1.jpg
^see pic above, thats him from that pic jag posted...i dont know if ronnie coleman can act (???) but the pic gave me the idea to make him into apocalypse lol!!!

anyways since reading the tips i found here i am officially out of my *workout slump*--i have been limiting my workouts to 45 min to an hour as advised and intensifying my cardio plus really monitoring my food intake, upping the lean protein as much as possible--and the results are already showing and most importantly in the mentally/enjoyment dept!!

one of my main issues i discovered was my workout lengths dragging on too long and my ipod--i like listening to music but would tend to lose focus on my form/intensity...so i switched to some hardcore boom boom classical music and i am more intense now... so thx u guys for the tips and inspiration+and also tonite/tomorrow i am finally ordering my protein/supps from that website jag mentioned cuz i am about to run out of everything so that will be fun too!! :D

[jaguarr]

Haha! That photochop is GREAT, PR! :up: Glad to hear your workouts are going well and that you're making good progress. Keep it up!

As for me, the doc confirmed it yesterday for me; I've officially got bronchitis. Bleh! Gonna be a little bit before I'm back in the gym. This **** is brutal. :(

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I got back from snowboarding yesterday. That mtn tore my ass up. My right elbow and tailbone are sore as heck. The talibone will heal up but I'm worried about the elbow. We'll see how the gym goes on Monday...if at all. :(

The trip was fun as hell though. No regrets :D:up:

[PhoenixRisen]

^^
Thanks and yeah you guys tips really renewed my motivation/enthusiasm...esp. limit your workout time...i was wasting a lot of time so it got to be kind of a chore and i was just not getting bang for buck. So keep it to under hour makes me really try to make most of my time and not dawdle........

Plus the food tips are great too, I think this is good thread cuz it gives ppl *ideas*.....esp for new people starting out and people in a workout rut

will let ya know how the service is with bodybuilder.com i am ordering today:woot: plus i need a new tshirt

[Colossal Spoons]

^Good luck and do work!

[mrvlknight21]

Storm and I got in a little workout today since he is on town and we will hit it again Monday and Tuesday! And Spoons, I made him DO WORK!

[PhoenixRisen]

^
LOL the "DO WORK" part is the key to why I was in a *slump*--i was doing *DO STARE OFF INTO SPACE AND GAZE OUTSIDE AND LISTEN TO MUSIC* lolol

[Superman79]

And or start trying to give out fitness advice in his typical know-it-all fratastical style.

"He guys you needs to does the bench press. It'l make yur chest pop out like wheaux! Me and my homes Carter (who is dating Jennifer Porth). We were up in the gym yesterday maxing out at 315lbs, 2 presses...and he was all like 'dog we need to do the bench press'. And I was like righteous. LOLz haterz, you can hate all you want but we be putting up those presses like mad. You scrawy internet message boarders who are all fat from posting needs to work out more like me. I gots a musclur build and the ladys love it. Word up to the J-man".


That jibberish frightens me :csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Storm and I got in a little workout today since he is on town and we will hit it again Monday and Tuesday! And Spoons, I made him DO WORK!

That's what I like to hear. :up:


I'm gonna attempt to do legs/shoulders today. Can't let a few bumps and bruises keep me away from the gym.

[jaguarr]

Ugh. I'm still on the tail end of this bronchitis. Gonna be at least few more days before I can touch the iron again. I haven't worked out in almost two weeks, now. It's killing me. :(

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Ugh. I'm still on the tail end of this bronchitis. Gonna be at least few more days before I can touch the iron again. I haven't worked out in almost two weeks, now. It's killing me. :(

jag


If I could seclude myself in a sterile bubble during the winter season, I'd totally do it. I never get sick from my own lack of sanitation, it's always other people that bring the **** to my doorstep. :down:

[Superman79]

Ugh. I'm still on the tail end of this bronchitis. Gonna be at least few more days before I can touch the iron again. I haven't worked out in almost two weeks, now. It's killing me. :(

jag


Can you at least do some light jogging/walking/stairclimbing/cardio in general?? Or is the plague that bad?

I sympathize with you my friend.

[jaguarr]

If I could seclude myself in a sterile bubble during the winter season, I'd totally do it. I never get sick from my own lack of sanitation, it's always other people that bring the **** to my doorstep. :down:

I've had maybe a minor sniffle the last two years and nothing else. This year I got it bad, though. Half my city has this crap, though. Nice of them to share. :cmad:

jag

[jaguarr]

Can you at least do some light jogging/walking/stairclimbing/cardio in general?? Or is the plague that bad?

I sympathize with you my friend.

No, man. My lungs are full of junk and I still feel pretty run down. This is the sort of crap that turns into walking pneumonia (like my wife has had) if you aggravate it. Just have to take the drugs and wait it out.

jag

[Superman79]

No, man. My lungs are full of junk and I still feel pretty run down. This is the sort of crap that turns into walking pneumonia (like my wife has had) if you aggravate it. Just have to take the drugs and wait it out.

jag

bummer man. :csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

I've had maybe a minor sniffle the last two years and nothing else. This year I got it bad, though. Half my city has this crap, though. Nice of them to share. :cmad:

jag


Yeah, I've been clean for about 2 years as well. But like you, when I get sick...I get SICK. There's a nice case of gastroenteritis goin around the town where my college is. Not just the campus...the whole town. :down:

[Maxwell Smart]

I've lost 15-20 pounds over the last month that I've been sick. I don't have a proper scale here at my house so I can't tell you the exact amount.

I've had this throat infection thats caused my tonsils to be swollen, I think it came from some sort of virus. This all started almost a whole month ago, about February 8 or so. It started with just my throat, it makes it feel like theres something caught in the back of it and swallowing solid food makes it worse. Then I got light flu-like symptoms for awhile but those went away after about a week and a half, however the throat has persisted. I went to the doctor almost two weeks ago and he gave me a shot and a one-time liquid antibiotic, but unfortunately that failed to knock this out. So last Monday I called him and he called in a presciption of antibiotics for me. I have today, tomorrow and Wednesday left on them(I take 3 a day) and I still can't eat properly, its horrible. I'm hoping that it just takes the entire bottle of antibiotics before it really works, and that I don't have to consult a doctor AGAIN because I don't even have medical insurance. :(

Anyhow sorry for getting on a tangent. Due to my throat I've been living on tomato soup, boullion, apple sauce, apple butter and low-fat pudding for the past month and thats been the source of my weight loss. I'm only getting 800-900 calories a day and usually I think I get around 2,000 or so.

[Colossal Spoons]

That sucks Max. You know what kinda virus it might be?

[Maxwell Smart]

You know what kinda virus it might be?

Nah. I had some flu-like symptoms for awhile so I just assumed it was some type of virus. Your tonsils are a part of your immune system so because I had those other symptoms I assumed a virus was the cause of it. It wasn't a stomach virus because I didn't throw up any, I know that.

[jaguarr]

Sounds like tonsillitis, Max. I'd talk with your doc and let him know that the antibiotics aren't doing the trick. After two rounds of it, it should have put a dent in your illness. Something else is going on here with you than just a bug.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, your tonsils being the problem is actually a good sign if it's a viral infection. Your body's puttin up a decent fight. I'd just take it easy and continue to rest up if I were you. Don't push it by attemtping much physical activity. The weights'll still be there when you're back to 100% :)If you find out the exact cause, def fill me in. I'm all kinds on curious.

Now, if it's tonsilitis like Jag suggested. Your doc def needs to switch up the gameplan.

[Maxwell Smart]

Sounds like tonsillitis, Max. I'd talk with your doc and let him know that the antibiotics aren't doing the trick. After two rounds of it, it should have put a dent in your illness. Something else is going on here with you than just a bug.

jag



Hmm, you think? I don't know, my throat isn't SORE. Isn't it supposed to be sore when you have tonsillitis? Anywho, I don't know if its tonsillitis or not but regardless if these antibiotics haven't worked by Thursday(Thursday morning is when I actually take my last one) I'm definitely going to go talk to the doctor again. Hes just a D.O. so theres a chance he might refer me to an Ear, Nose & Throat specialist.

[jaguarr]

Get thee to an ENT. If it was a viral infection of some sort, the antibiotics would have kicked it to the curb by now, or at least had you feeling a LITTLE bit better. A month gone by and you're still in the same shape? Something else is going on with you.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Max may be the first man to ever really catch cooties. :eek: Who'd ever think 3rd grade would come back to bite you in the arse.

[Maxwell Smart]

Get thee to an ENT. If it was a viral infection of some sort, the antibiotics would have kicked it to the curb by now, or at least had you feeling a LITTLE bit better. A month gone by and you're still in the same shape? Something else is going on with you.

jag



Okay, well I have 9 antibiotics left so I'm going to give them a chance to work. My dad said sometimes it takes all of them. However if I wake up Thursday morning and my throat still isn't back to normal I'm gonna call my doc to tell him the antibiotics didn't work and ask what he thinks I should do, if I should come in and see him again or if he just needs to refer me to an ENT or something.

You may not know the answer to this, but if I were to have to get a tonsillectamy(sp?), would an ENT do it or would I have to go to a hospital?

[Maxwell Smart]

Max may be the first man to ever really catch cooties. :eek: Who'd ever think 3rd grade would come back to bite you in the arse.



LOL.

[jaguarr]

Max, we can take those tonsils out. I've got an electric carving knife that I've only used at Christmas and Thanksgiving, so it's pretty clean. :up:

jag

[Superman79]

Max, we can take those tonsils out. I've got an electric carving knife that I've only used at Christmas and Thanksgiving, so it's pretty clean. :up:

jag


I'm sorry did I hear somebody say "medical malpractice lawsuit"???? :oldrazz:

[mrvlknight21]

I'm sorry did I hear somebody say "medical malpractice lawsuit"???? :oldrazz:

No, you cant get Jag for that one, because he isnt a doctor. (I think he is actually Bill Gates, but thats just me!)

[jaguarr]

I'm sorry did I hear somebody say "medical malpractice lawsuit"???? :oldrazz:

http://www.synergizedsolutions.com/simpsons/pictures/others/drnick.gif

jag

[AndThePickles]

Yeah, I've been clean for about 2 years as well. But like you, when I get sick...I get SICK. There's a nice case of gastroenteritis goin around the town where my college is. Not just the campus...the whole town. :down:

I really, REALLY hope neither of us catches that one :csad:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Sorry to hear that everyone is getting sick and not doing well. Hope you guys feel better and get back on track soon. As for me I feel great, except I think I really need to get my shoulder looked at by a competent doctor, long story.

But so far so good with my progress, this weekend was a little off but not horrible, I managed to avoid alcohol completely and didn't eat too badly.

But in the past 3+ weeks I thought I was up to 156lbs from 150lbs. Well I hoped on the scale I originally weighed myself on and I have gained no weight what so ever! I am pretty bummed, I know these things take time but I thought I would have put on at least a little weight.

But like Jag said, don't rely on scales or body fat% that much, just the way I look and feel, and I feel great and my body is looking better everyday.

But I wonder what I am doing wrong? I am not lifting heavy right now, but I have stated this before, mainly due to the fact that the last couple times out I hurt or seriously injured myself possibly going too hard too fast. So I am taking a much slower approach this time around.

Maybe that's why I am not putting on any weight? I eat roughly 2700 calories a day and 250+ grams of protein a day.

So I know I am not under eating, at least I don't think I am.

Any advice other than eat more and lift harder? I also am pretty good about getting 8 hours of sleep now and going to bed at a regular time.

[jaguarr]

Put some more carbs into your diet, BAH. And....lift as heavy as you can go SAFELY and with PROPER FORM. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah...well the reason I am going so light right now is my right shoulder. I am pretty sure it is messed up from years of little league pitching and various other sports. So I really want to go slow, I can take it a little harder on my legs I guess, but I really want to make sure I don't jack my shoulder up.

[jaguarr]

Yeah...well the reason I am going so light right now is my right shoulder. I am pretty sure it is messed up from years of little league pitching and various other sports. So I really want to go slow, I can take it a little harder on my legs I guess, but I really want to make sure I don't jack my shoulder up.

Give Dorian Kent's Shoulder Rehab Progam (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian1.htm) a try. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Give Dorian Kent's Shoulder Rehab Progam (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian1.htm) a try. :up:

jag


Sounds good, thanks Jag :up:

[JStorm]

I ran like a mad-man, worked my back out Rocky-style, and bought new running shoes.

Wooooooooooooooooh.

[mrvlknight21]

Yeah boy, Storm looked like Rocky, hanging from a tree in a gray hooded sweatshirt, with a weighted backpack....awesome!
We did work!!!!

[PhoenixRisen]

Hmm, you think? I don't know, my throat isn't SORE. Isn't it supposed to be sore when you have tonsillitis? Anywho, I don't know if its tonsillitis or not but regardless if these antibiotics haven't worked by Thursday(Thursday morning is when I actually take my last one) I'm definitely going to go talk to the doctor again. Hes just a D.O. so theres a chance he might refer me to an Ear, Nose & Throat specialist.
Go to ENT and make sure when u are taking the antibiotics to eat a lot of yogurt/take a probiotic supplement too. Cuz the anitbiotics kill all the bacteria even the good ones. Then stuff like fungus and yeast can take over wherever cuz they have room to grow now that the good bacteria is gone. Then it leads to weird things no one can figure out that linger forever. You could try taking some grapefruit seed extract (GSE) too. It's supposed to kill the stuff that the good bacteria lets grow, you can get it at health food store. Hope ya get better.

[ShadowBoxing]

I saw some guy on the Highway yesterday in a Jaguar with two stuffed Jaguars in the back window.

Unfortunatey they looked like an older couple...so I don't think it was Jag; plus I sincerely doubt I live anywhere close to him.

[Super Kal]

I've been walking recently, but I've encountered some what of a problem... it seems now that when I get up to 9/10 of a mile, I get a very bad pain in my tail bone and every time I take a step, my left leg is in enormous amount of pain. My sciatica was pinched about 6 years ago, but this only recently started to happen.

any thoughts on this?

[ShadowBoxing]

I've been walking recently, but I've encountered some what of a problem... it seems now that when I get up to 9/10 of a mile, I get a very bad pain in my tail bone and every time I take a step, my left leg is in enormous amount of pain. My sciatica was pinched about 6 years ago, but this only recently started to happen.

any thoughts on this?
I'd go see a doctor. I mean it's not something (most likely) you'll want to try to exercise away. Trainers are sketchy when it comes to dealing with health ailments. Great with preventative maintanence, but once you have a problem you need a practicing physician.

Go see a doctor and do what he says, he probably give you something for the pain on top of it. But until you get better stay off doing anything that will strain your leg. Usually walking is fine, usually. However running is potentially dangerous it sounds like.

If it's in your knees, and again consult a doctor before taking any of my advice, you might want to try biking or ellipticals as they are low impact. Also lap swimming is excellent as well because it is virtually no impact.

[jaguarr]

I saw some guy on the Highway yesterday in a Jaguar with two stuffed Jaguars in the back window.

Unfortunatey they looked like an older couple...so I don't think it was Jag; plus I sincerely doubt I live anywhere close to him.

Haha! No, that wasn't me and the Missus. Give us another 30 years, though, and that'll probably be us (sports coupe convertible, of course). :D :up:

I've been walking recently, but I've encountered some what of a problem... it seems now that when I get up to 9/10 of a mile, I get a very bad pain in my tail bone and every time I take a step, my left leg is in enormous amount of pain. My sciatica was pinched about 6 years ago, but this only recently started to happen.

any thoughts on this?

First, I agree with Shadow: go to the doctor. That said, a couple of thoughts come to mind. The first is that you're horribly out of alignment, so a good chiropractor might be able to help. The second is that your feet are contributing to your problems, and some orthotics for your shoes might help. You can get some cheap ones at most grocery stores with the rest of the Dr. Scholl type shoe inserts. I was having trouble with my lower back and hips and just the cheap orthotics I bought have made a huge difference for me, and I don't get pain in my arches or lower back anymore and my sciatica is all but gone. I'm going to consult with a podiatrist sometime later this year to see about getting some custom orthotics made, actually.

Another thing to think about is learning some good stretches for your legs, lower back and sciatica. I could describe a good dozen off the top of my head, but a Google search would probably find you some well illustrated examples. :up:

jag

[Super Kal]

well that sucks... I cannot afford to go see a doctor. I'm already in debt from going to the ER (big mistake)... and I can't swim, because when I do, I'm in even more pain than I'm walking... and there is no pool around here either...

looks like I'm stuck with the exercises.

[punishermax]

I had a great Back/Bi's workout tonight. My failure reps are down a lot, especially on the preacher curls. But I will definitely have to invest in lifting gloves, my hands are calloused to hell right now. Cardio and abs tomorrow.

[mrvlknight21]

He guys me and my boi Storm (who is not dating anyone) R gunna run like hell todays and follow it up wit some serius killer chest and tri pumps. U guyz can hate if you want 2, but were gunna look ripped on the beach this summa.
**(sorry guys I was inspired by Shadowboxing's "Taiwarrior" post earlier on last page)>>>
But we are going to work chest/tri and run today.

[JStorm]

Screw that. I'm gonna workout like Sly, pump some iron, pump my books, then pump some roids.

You said "summa." :D :up:

[jaguarr]

well that sucks... I cannot afford to go see a doctor. I'm already in debt from going to the ER (big mistake)... and I can't swim, because when I do, I'm in even more pain than I'm walking... and there is no pool around here either...

looks like I'm stuck with the exercises.

Try the cheap orthotics and stretching I suggested and see if that helps.

I had a great Back/Bi's workout tonight. My failure reps are down a lot, especially on the preacher curls. But I will definitely have to invest in lifting gloves, my hands are calloused to hell right now. Cardio and abs tomorrow.

Do work! :cmad: Gloves, chalk, lifting straps....I use 'em all depending on the lift I'm doing. :up:

He guys me and my boi Storm (who is not dating anyone) R gunna run like hell todays and follow it up wit some serius killer chest and tri pumps. U guyz can hate if you want 2, but were gunna look ripped on the beach this summa.
**(sorry guys I was inspired by Shadowboxing's "Taiwarrior" post earlier on last page)>>>
But we are going to work chest/tri and run today.

:dry:


Screw that. I'm gonna workout like Sly, pump some iron, pump my boojs, then pump some roids.

You said "summa." :D :up:

Just don't let me catch you eating any raw eggs or I'll slap the white off of you. :cmad:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I had a great Back/Bi's workout tonight. My failure reps are down a lot, especially on the preacher curls. But I will definitely have to invest in lifting gloves, my hands are calloused to hell right now. Cardio and abs tomorrow.


Yeah, I personally cannot lift as heavy w/o gloves b/c it would destroy my fingers.

[JStorm]

Yeah, I personally cannot lift as heavy w/o gloves b/c it would destroy my fingers.


If you have to wear gloves to lift, then you shouldn't be lifting that heavy in the first place.


I dated this girl who was a personal trainer and she dropped this ^^ gem on Devil and I one day.

Sorry, Spoons.


Key word is girl.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hey, well tell your ex to come massage my bleeding hands when I leave the gym lol.

[jaguarr]

If you have to wear gloves to lift, then you shouldn't be lifting that heavy in the first place.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard, dude. If you can lift heavier with gloves, chalk or straps or whatever and therefore work the muscles harder to stimulate more growth and strength, then that's what you should be doing. The only exception would be if you were training for some raw powerlifting competition. And even a lot of those powerlifting guys use lifting aids. Tell the guy who's benching 500 pounds that he should either be doing that without a lifting shirt or not lifting at all. :rolleyes: Quit taking your lifting advice from women and maybe you'll get strong. :oldrazz:

jag

[jaguarr]

Hmmmm....Mr. Olympia wears gloves when he works out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwZ9K49cECg). If it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me. ;)

jag

[JStorm]

Dumbest thing I've ever heard, dude. If you can lift heavier with gloves, chalk or straps or whatever and therefore work the muscles harder to stimulate more growth and strength, then that's what you should be doing. The only exception would be if you were training for some raw powerlifting competition. And even a lot of those powerlifting guys use lifting aids. Tell the guy who's benching 500 pounds that he should either be doing that without a lifting shirt or not lifting at all. :rolleyes: Quit taking your lifting advice from women and maybe you'll get strong. :oldrazz:

jag


I spoke in past tense.

If only I could post the last thing, well one of the last things, she said to me before I made her my "ex-wench."

I take my tips from Arnold.. and TaoWarrior. :dry:

[Colossal Spoons]

Personal trainers should be required to go to grad school :o

[JStorm]

Personal trainers should be required to go to grad school :o

In her defense, she was rather informed and helpful.

However, she dropped out of college; so I dropped her.

She didn't like to "do work."

[Sun_Down]

Hmmmm....Mr. Olympia wears gloves when he works out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwZ9K49cECg). If it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me. ;)

jag

I'm somewhat inspired and somewhat disgusted. :wow:

[jaguarr]

I spoke in past tense.

If only I could post the last thing, well one of the last things, she said to me before I made her my "ex-wench."

I take my tips from Arnold.. and TaoWarrior. :dry:

Arnold's a good source of info but he's also famous for telling people to do things that might be detrimental to their progress, too. Ask Franco Columbo about that. :D

My point still stands, though; lift heavy no matter what it takes. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

In her defense, she was rather informed and helpful.

However, she dropped out of college; so I dropped her.

She didn't like to "do work."


You gotta do work on paper too :(

[JStorm]

Arnold's a good source of info but he's also famous for telling people to do things that might be detrimental to their progress, too. Ask Franco Columbo about that. :D

My point still stands, though; lift heavy no matter what it takes. :up:

jag

"It's bull****, all of it. The cabinet minister; the whole business."

You gotta do work on paper too :(

That made Devil and I have a good laugh.




Later, fellas.

Devil and I have some "work" to do. Chest, tri's, and some cardio.

For all you lazy people, that's three syllables. Say it with me: car-di-o.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hey, running to your car to get to Burger King counts a cardio right?

[AndThePickles]

Hey, running to your car to get to Burger King counts a cardio right?

And you can chew longer, duh. Totally burns calories :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Got it all figured out :up:

[jaguarr]

I'm finally starting to feel human again. Still a little bit of bronchitis and sinus pressure hanging on, but for the first time in over a week and a half I don't feel like baked **** on toast. I'm currently targeting Sunday for a return to the weight if I continue to recover like I have been. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Haha! No, that wasn't me and the Missus. Give us another 30 years, though, and that'll probably be us (sports coupe convertible, of course). :D :up:



First, I agree with Shadow: go to the doctor. That said, a couple of thoughts come to mind. The first is that you're horribly out of alignment, so a good chiropractor might be able to help. The second is that your feet are contributing to your problems, and some orthotics for your shoes might help. You can get some cheap ones at most grocery stores with the rest of the Dr. Scholl type shoe inserts. I was having trouble with my lower back and hips and just the cheap orthotics I bought have made a huge difference for me, and I don't get pain in my arches or lower back anymore and my sciatica is all but gone. I'm going to consult with a podiatrist sometime later this year to see about getting some custom orthotics made, actually.

Another thing to think about is learning some good stretches for your legs, lower back and sciatica. I could describe a good dozen off the top of my head, but a Google search would probably find you some well illustrated examples. :up:

jag


Jag's right, a good chiropractor can do wonders for you. People think they are quacks but they are more like mechanics that keep your body tuned up. I swear by them that they do good for your body. I went to a friend a few years ago for my foot and he aligned my back and the whole nine. Highly recommend anyone seeing a chiropractor, even if it's just once or twice a year. :up:

As for orthodics, also highly recommend them :up:

[mrvlknight21]

Jag's right, a good chiropractor can do wonders for you. People think they are quacks but they are more like mechanics that keep your body tuned up. I swear by them that they do good for your body. I went to a friend a few years ago for my foot and he aligned my back and the whole nine. Highly recommend anyone seeing a chiropractor, even if it's just once or twice a year. :up:

As for orthodics, also highly recommend them :up:

My experience w/ Chiros hasnt been so good. I was having back pain so bad that I wasnt sleeping but 1-3 hours a night. We bought a new matress, no help. I went to a chiro who is known (through friends and all) as being very good. After 3 months of 3 times a week of him throwing everything he could at me (realignment, electrodes, exercises to do, etc) and NO improvement he tells me "you really should have had some serious improvement, I think you need to see a doctor." So I really felt like I threw away a ton of $20 co-pays and plenty of hours.
Thats just me.

[jaguarr]

My experience w/ Chiros hasnt been so good. I was having back pain so bad that I wasnt sleeping but 1-3 hours a night. We bought a new matress, no help. I went to a chiro who is known (through friends and all) as being very good. After 3 months of 3 times a week of him throwing everything he could at me (realignment, electrodes, exercises to do, etc) and NO improvement he tells me "you really should have had some serious improvement, I think you need to see a doctor." So I really felt like I threw away a ton of $20 co-pays and plenty of hours.
Thats just me.

With a GOOD chiro, experiences such as your are a rarity. He should have referred you to a different doctor earlier on in the process, IMHO. There are some BAD chiro's out there, for sure; guys who are only interested in getting you into their office over and over again so they can bill your insurance. But there are also a huge amount of really good ones who can really help.

Your problem could come from so many different things, too, Devil. May not be an alignment issue at all. Could be completely muscular, or the way you were sleeping or something else entirely. Have you ever tried acupuncture?

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Well apparently it was some strange unexplained affliction. About 1 week after the last time I saw that chiropractor, my wife had a business trip to California and I was able to go with her and intended on seeing a doctor once we got back. Well the first night in that hotel (it was a decent hotel- Hilton or Marriot or something) was total hell. I didnt sleep at all and the pain was worse than it had been the previous number of months. The next night, I dreaded even laying in that bed, but I was tired as hell. I slept like a baby, no pain whatsoever during the night or in the morning. No pain since then and that was 3 years ago. Weird and crazy, but I am so glad it was gone. I was hurting and not sleeping at all! Man, just thinking of this again gives me an appreciation for good sleep.

[Super Kal]

this only happens when I walk more than half a mile... could the type of road I walk on contribute to sciatica pain?

[Sun_Down]

Quick question : I've been reading about keeping your lifting under an hour. But say I tack my 15 minute ab workout on to the end of my 1 hour chest/tricep workout. That won't have a negative effect, will it? Since I'm working two totally different areas, I hafta figure it won't.

[jaguarr]

Quick question : I've been reading about keeping your lifting under an hour. But say I tack my 15 minute ab workout on to the end of my 1 hour chest/tricep workout. That won't have a negative effect, will it? Since I'm working two totally different areas, I hafta figure it won't.

That shouldn't be a problem. I actually do my ab work as part of my warmup, actually. It gets it out of the way so I don't sandbag on it after lifting, and it helps get the blood flowing (along with ~10 minutes of steady cardio like an eliptical). I don't start counting my time until I actually start lifting.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I thought you also want to keep your lifting under an hour if you really are going for big gains, if you're trying to cut down going a little more than an hour is fine?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Surprised no one has posted here.

Alright, so I got back on my scale, the original scale I weighed myself on and now I am up to 155lbs. From 150lbs, but from 156lbs from another scale, which while I weighed that much on that scale I was still 150lbs on my scale.

So I am not sure how much weight I have put on so far. This sucks!

[mrvlknight21]

stick with one scale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jaguarr]

stick with one scale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/jaguarr/shh/captainobvious.jpg

jag

[user123456789]

Surprised no one has posted here.

Alright, so I got back on my scale, the original scale I weighed myself on and now I am up to 155lbs. From 150lbs, but from 156lbs from another scale, which while I weighed that much on that scale I was still 150lbs on my scale.

So I am not sure how much weight I have put on so far. This sucks!
measuring tape
clothes
mirror
women

> scale

[punishermax]

My Chest/Shoulders/Tri's workout today was great. Also, is it just me, or are skullcrushers completely awesome. I look forward to doing those more than anything else.(Except jumping on the Cross Trainer next to the treadmills, but thats cause you can sneak a peek at the chicks in the mirror) :p

[user123456789]

My Chest/Shoulders/Tri's workout today was great. Also, is it just me, or are skullcrushers completely awesome. I look forward to doing those more than anything else.(Except jumping on the Cross Trainer next to the treadmills, but thats cause you can sneak a peek at the chicks in the mirror) :p
i hate skulls personally

decline cgbp and good old tricep pushdowns/pulldowns do the trick for me

[Colossal Spoons]

Skullcrushers are awesome but kickbacks pwn them. :D

[jaguarr]

i hate skulls personally

decline cgbp and good old tricep pushdowns/pulldowns do the trick for me

Skullcrushers are BAD!!!!! (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/BBLyingTriExtSC.html).

Lying Tricep Extensions are GOOD! (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/BBLyingTriExt.html)

Notice the fuller ROM on the Lying Tri Extension? Most of the guys I know who do Skullcrushers wind up with shoulder and elbow problems. With the fuller ROM, you're not stopping halfway through the natural movement and putting undue strain on the joints. I do my lying tri extensions with a dumbbell lying cross-ways across my bench. Superset that with some Tricep Rope Pushdowns and you'll be in pain. Throw in some weighted dips and some Reverse Grip and Close Grip bench press and you'll get some monster tri's.

Close Grip Incline Barbell Presses (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=333407&d=1158436380) are another good one for tri development.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I do full ROM skullcrushers. Couldn't imagine stopping 1/2 way.

[Superman79]

Ok, so time is getting crunched due to some serious business at the state capitol whre I work, and it's getting tougher to get a whole hour workout (+shower and food) in during off time.

Basically, does anyone have any speed/condensed workouts that can get me in and out of the gym in 30 min or so??? I don't necessarily have to make gains from it, as they would only be temporary fillers, but I need something to help me maintain...

any ideas?

[jaguarr]

Some of the HIIT workouts are designed to be done in 30 minutes or less. I know a couple of guys who do a lot of supersetting as well, so they can clock in under 30 minutes on their lunch hours. Yeah, it's not the best for gains, but it can help you maintain and cruise while you're in crunch time.

jag

[Superman79]

Some of the HIIT workouts are designed to be done in 30 minutes or less. I know a couple of guys who do a lot of supersetting as well, so they can clock in under 30 minutes on their lunch hours. Yeah, it's not the best for gains, but it can help you maintain and cruise while you're in crunch time.

jag

That's what I need...supersetting (smacks forehead) I didn't even think of that for some reason. Good call jag, thanks

now, any ideas for speedy post workout meals?? I mean usually i make steak, chicken, or eggs with appropriate sides...all not really portable.

I suppose I could scarf a can of tuna and some appropriate carbs, but I usually have tuna for lunch...

[USMC]

[

Close Grip Incline Barbell Presses (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=333407&d=1158436380) are another good one for tri development.

jag


I seriously threw up in my mouth a little watching that... :cmad:

[jaguarr]

That's what I need...supersetting (smacks forehead) I didn't even think of that for some reason. Good call jag, thanks

now, any ideas for speedy post workout meals?? I mean usually i make steak, chicken, or eggs with appropriate sides...all not really portable.

I suppose I could scarf a can of tuna and some appropriate carbs, but I usually have tuna for lunch...

Can you eat while you work? Have access to a fridge and microwave at work? You could still go with the standards for lunch if so. Tuna is always good as well. Just make sure you're getting your PWO whey shake. If you can work the Waxy Maize Starch protocol in there as well, even better.


I seriously threw up in my mouth a little watching that... :cmad:

If you had a proper breakfast there should be a good amount of protein content in there, so be sure to choke it back down.

jag

[Superman79]

I seriously threw up in my mouth a little watching that... :cmad:


second that.

BTW- Is that the REAL way to do them, going down to the forehead??

I always did them similar to close grip bench only I widened my grip to just wide enough to let my tri's go backward (so approx. shoulder width)

[USMC]

If you had a proper breakfast there should be a good amount of protein content in there, so be sure to choke it back down.

jag

That's very true. I workout alot, but my diet has never been that good. Especially when it comes to eating a good breakfast. A protien Jamba Juice, or a bowl of fruit and yogurt is what I try to eat in the mornings, but most of the time I just stay hungry until the late afternoon... :(

[USMC]

second that.

BTW- Is that the REAL way to do them, going down to the forehead??

I always did them similar to close grip bench only I widened my grip to just wide enough to let my tri's go backward (so approx. shoulder width)


I've always gone to the forehead. Kickbacks actually hurt my elbos more then any other tricep excersize... But I'll do them moderatley once in awhile just to have something different to do...

[jaguarr]

second that.

BTW- Is that the REAL way to do them, going down to the forehead??

I always did them similar to close grip bench only I widened my grip to just wide enough to let my tri's go backward (so approx. shoulder width)

That's how a lot of the big boys (and girls, apparently) do that particular movement. It doesn't put the strain on the shoulder and elbows that skullcrushers do, so it's safer to do so.

That's very true. I workout alot, but my diet has never been that good. Especially when it comes to eating a good breakfast. A protien Jamba Juice, or a bowl of fruit and yogurt is what I try to eat in the mornings, but most of the time I just stay hungry until the late afternoon... :(

Breakfast is THE most important meal of the day, to me. It replenishes my system after I've been sleeping and most likely gone catabolic and helps stoke my metabolism so it stays high throughout the day. Breakfast is usually one of my bigger meals. :up:

jag

[Superman79]

Can you eat while you work? Have access to a fridge and microwave at work? You could still go with the standards for lunch if so. Tuna is always good as well. Just make sure you're getting your PWO whey shake. If you can work the Waxy Maize Starch protocol in there as well, even better.

Of course on the PWO shake and the WMS...

as for eating at work...I could if I'm at my desk, but it might be difficult to get a steak knife past the metal detectors...:o then again I COULD jsut be smart and PRE-cut the meat at home...

now if I'm on the senate floor, food would be a much bigger problem...stupid protocols:csad:

[jaguarr]

Kickbacks are the most wortheless tricep exercise on the planet. Ever. :down

jag

[jaguarr]

Of course on the PWO shake and the WMS...

as for eating at work...I could if I'm at my desk, but it might be difficult to get a steak knife past the metal detectors...:o then again I COULD jsut be smart and PRE-cut the meat at home...

now if I'm on the senate floor, food would be a much bigger problem...stupid protocols:csad:

I've had to get creative and adaptable about my meals at times to make sure I'm getting everything I need in terms of nutrition throughout the day. It's sort of a "whatever it takes" kind of mindset about it. :up:

jag

[Superman79]

That's how a lot of the big boys (and girls, apparently) do that particular movement. It doesn't put the strain on the shoulder and elbows that skullcrushers do, so it's safer to do so.

hmm...go figure. Well, I'll try anything once...I'll have to give that grip/movement a shot tomorrow :up:

[USMC]

Kickbacks are the most wortheless tricep exercise on the planet. Ever. :down

jag

I'm glad someone agrees. My partner loves 'em, but he's an old school kind of body builder... so I always try and find some new and unusual workouts for us, just to keep him doing different things.

[Superman79]

I've had to get creative and adaptable about my meals at times to make sure I'm getting everything I need in terms of nutrition throughout the day. It's sort of a "whatever it takes" kind of mindset about it. :up:

jag

whatever it takes huh? sounds like me trying to pick up a girl...haha :woot:

thanks for the advice jag...i now have a pretty good idea of the direction to take with my crunched time (which hopefully will uncrunch soon!) :up:

[jaguarr]

I'm glad someone agrees. My partner loves 'em, but he's an old school kind of body builder... so I always try and find some new and unusual workouts for us, just to keep him doing different things.

They seriously don't do much of anything for the tri's. They used to teach them a lot back in the 80's, but I unlearned 'em real quick once I started re-educating myself about lifting a few years ago.

whatever it takes huh? sounds like me trying to pick up a girl...haha :woot:

thanks for the advice jag...i now have a pretty good idea of the direction to take with my crunched time (which hopefully will uncrunch soon!) :up:

Heh! :D I've had to recondition some of my co-workers that if they want any of my time at certain parts of the day, I WILL be eating something while we talk. And my friends and family have all been trained to know which restaurants are acceptable to me and which ones are not if they want me to join them. Some of them even call to invite us out to a new place they found that they think I'll really enjoy and quite a few of them have cleaned up their eating habits because of me. :up: The amount of food I take to work with me is startling, even to me when I'm packing it up in the mornings. Heh! By any means necessary! Hope work settles down for you, soon.

jag

[Mr. Credible]

so, what's a proper amount of cardio per day to lose body fat? i do about 30 minutes of walking/bike riding/eliptical a day (mon-fri) plus 20-30 minutes of weight lifting first.

i try to diet, too... but i suck at it. i don't eat poorly, just not great.

[jaguarr]

so, what's a proper amount of cardio per day to lose body fat? i do about 30 minutes of walking/bike riding/eliptical a day (mon-fri) plus 20-30 minutes of weight lifting first.

i try to diet, too... but i suck at it. i don't eat poorly, just not great.

You can have the best lifting or cardio program in the world and your progress will be minimal if your diet sucks ass. Fitness is 85% diet. Maybe more. To burn fat, you need to burn ~500 calories per day more than you are consuming, bottom line. There's some great advice in here regarding diet and tracking what you're doing on a site like Fitday.com or Nutridiary.com, as well as on when and what to eat. It'd be worth your time to poke back through this thread, no doubt. :up:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

so, what's a proper amount of cardio per day to lose body fat? i do about 30 minutes of walking/bike riding/eliptical a day (mon-fri) plus 20-30 minutes of weight lifting first.

i try to diet, too... but i suck at it. i don't eat poorly, just not great.
To lose large amounts of fat you need cardio. 30-45 minutes AT LEAST three times a week mixed with weight training AT LEAST three to four times a week. Some people like to trade off days and go Cardio/Lift/Cardio/Lift/Cardio/Lift/Rest, Repeat.

As for that last ounces of fat, those small bits that cling to your mid section and hide yer six-pack...you need diet. 5-6 evenly spaced meals a day (3-3.5 hours apart). Your meals should be 40-40-20 (some people prefer 45-45-10). That means 40% Protien/ 40% Carbs/ 20% Good unsaturated (not Trans) fat. You should try to get these from a variety of sources. Protien from fish, poltery, eggs, milk, whey, *some* Tofu. Carbs from Oatmeal, whole grains (breads, pancake mixes, pasta, etc.), Potatoes, etc. Good fats from all natural peanut butter or Flax oil.

This will all help stimulate your metabolism while keeping your glycemic index low, meaning you won't store as much of what you eat.

Try to stay away from refined sugars and drinks lots of water (that helps with digestion).

[ShadowBoxing]

You can have the best lifting or cardio program in the world and your progress will be minimal if your diet sucks ass. Fitness is 85% diet.

jag
I always say 90%. Then when you get it right and your training and diet are working together it's about 50/50.

[jaguarr]

I always say 90%. Then when you get it right and your training and diet are working together it's about 50/50.

Yeah, a lot of people say 90%. I always say it's 85% diet, 10% working out smart and 5% just plain busting your ass.

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, a lot of people say 90%. I always say it's 85% diet, 10% working out smart and 5% just plain busting your ass.

jag
I would classify "working out smart" and "busting your ass" as the same thing...because not busting your ass isn't very smart.

Maybe 5% supplementation. But I am extremely anti-supplement (except protien, creatine and glutamine).

[jaguarr]

I don't classify "working out smart" and "busting your ass" as the same thing. You can bust your ass all you want but if you're doing the wrong things, it's detrimental. Educating yourself so that what your doing is going to be effective and maximize your return on expenditure and THEN busting your ass doing it strike me as two different things entirely. I know people with smart routines and diet who don't apply the necessary intensity and their progress suffers for it. At any rate, it's all subjective and comes down to personal philosophy. I think we're mostly just splitting hairs here and probably saying much the same thing.

As for supplementation, I view that as an extension of diet. Most supplements are garbage, but there are a few that are worth someone's time:

Multi-Vitamin
Fish Oil Caps
Whey & Casein proteins
Glutamine
BCAA's
Waxy Maize Starch

And that's about it. Maybe Glucosamine if you're a bit older and have joint problems. Most people wouldn't even need creatine if they'd eat some good quality red meat a couple times a week. Diet should address the greater portion of your nutritional needs, though.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Kickbacks are the most wortheless tricep exercise on the planet. Ever. :down

jag

I hate those too. I did them when I first started lifting, but after a little while, completely dropped them. The main thing I do for tri's are dips now. (Of course with other things thrown in, but dips are the staple.)

[ShadowBoxing]

Kickbacks are the most wortheless tricep exercise on the planet. Ever. :down

jag
Yeah...they suck.

[ShadowBoxing]

I hate those too. I did them when I first started lifting, but after a little while, completely dropped them. The main thing I do for tri's are dips now. (Of course with other things thrown in, but dips are the staple.)
Dips work your chest mainly. For Triceps I use the following exercises; Skullcrunchers are the staple, some form of the French Press (or as I call it "Freedom" Press), and Cable Extensions.

I also use Close-Grip Bench on my Triceps since there is a way to isolate them during the movement (Although it still works inner chest).

[mrvlknight21]

Jag, I am the same way when it comes to packing my food for work. I work 12 hour shifts, but get there an hour early and it is 1 hour from my house. So we are talking about enough food to sustain me for 15 hours (unless I eat right before I leave, which is possible).
The questions I get are hilarious (to me).
#1 question-How can I eat all that food in one day/night?
Usually this is from someone who buys a heavy greasy lunch in the cafeteria and that is all they eat for the entire 12 hours. I ask them, how can they get by on only one meal for 12 hours.
#2 question-How do I stay thin when I am eating all that?
I show them what I am actually eating, for example a can of tuna and some spinach and water to drink and they say, oh, well, I guess thats not a big meal. And I also say, well I plan to lift weights for a while later, and maybe hit the heavy bag when I get home. They tell me that they dont have energy for any of that. I wonder why......

[mrvlknight21]

Dips work your chest mainly. For Triceps I use the following exercises; Skullcrunchers are the staple, some form of the French Press (or as I call it "Freedom" Press), and Cable Extensions.

I also use Close-Grip Bench on my Triceps since there is a way to isolate them during the movement (Although it still works inner chest).

Depending on your body position, you can really hit the tris with them. Leaning forward gets the chest involved more, but if you stay very straight it can really hit the tris. Besides that, I dont do much isolation at all.

[jaguarr]

Depending on your body position, you can really hit the tris with them. Leaning forward gets the chest involved more, but if you stay very straight it can really hit the tris. Besides that, I dont do much isolation at all.

My thoughts on dips, exactly. Really depends on how you're focusing the exercise with your body position.

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Jag, I am the same way when it comes to packing my food for work. I work 12 hour shifts, but get there an hour early and it is 1 hour from my house. So we are talking about enough food to sustain me for 15 hours (unless I eat right before I leave, which is possible).
The questions I get are hilarious (to me).
#1 question-How can I eat all that food in one day/night?
Buy a HUGE lunchbox...you can find them anywhere.
Usually this is from someone who buys a heavy greasy lunch in the cafeteria and that is all they eat for the entire 12 hours. I ask them, how can they get by on only one meal for 12 hours.
#2 question-How do I stay thin when I am eating all that?
Okay...to simplify because I don't have any degrees in HES, you essentially are grazzing. In other words your body isn't storing fat because it always has an influx of energy to sustain itself.

[mrvlknight21]

Shadowboxing, I think you may have misunderstood me. I wasnt asking how/why, I was seconding Jag on the amount of food required to sustain muscle and keep metabolism rolling and listing the funny questions that I get from people who see me doing it. And yes, I have a LARGE lunchbox/bag. Completely necessary for me to survive out there in the concrete jungle for that long!

[ShadowBoxing]

Shadowboxing, I think you may have misunderstood me. I wasnt asking how/why, I was seconding Jag on the amount of food required to sustain muscle and keep metabolism rolling and listing the funny questions that I get from people who see me doing it. And yes, I have a LARGE lunchbox/bag. Completely necessary for me to survive out there in the concrete jungle for that long!
You need a minimum of 1200 calories to sustain vital functions.

2000 for an active to very active person.

3000-3500 for an active to very active person attempting to make muscle gains (with a normal metabolism)

4000-5000 for an active to very active person attempting to make muscle gains (with a high metabolism).

[Colossal Spoons]

I've always gone to the forehead. Kickbacks actually hurt my elbos more then any other tricep excersize... But I'll do them moderatley once in awhile just to have something different to do...

Aw man, kickbacks are fun. Really easy to cheat though.

[Colossal Spoons]

Kickbacks are the most wortheless tricep exercise on the planet. Ever. :down

jag

:cmad: I do 'em about once every 3 weeks. In the place of overhead curls.

[jaguarr]

:cmad: I do 'em about once every 3 weeks. In the place of overhead curls.

On, well we'll only call you Tinkerbell once every three weeks, then.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

My triceps are actually impressive so I'll be a knockout in my tu-tu :p

[jaguarr]

http://www.brob.com/images/sedanmuscularfairy.jpg

Hahahaha! :D

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, ridiculous.

[jaguarr]

LOFL! I must be getting tired or something because I came back in here and started laughing my ass off at that picture all over again. :D

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

*hands jag a pillow and some Nyquil*

:(

[Super Kal]

this only happens when I walk more than half a mile... could the type of road I walk on contribute to sciatica pain?


still waiting for someone to help me out...

[Colossal Spoons]

You're really asking physician type questions.

[Golgo-13]

I've got this serious pain which stretches from my neck down to my shoulder blade. It's really painful at night, when i'm trying to sleep. I've been putting Bengay patches on it 24/7 for the past week to no avail..think i hurt it doing Jiu Jitsu...

[Super Kal]

You're really asking physician type questions.
ok then

[jaguarr]

still waiting for someone to help me out...

I gave you several suggestions, some of which were free or very inexpensive.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

You need a minimum of 1200 calories to sustain vital functions.

2000 for an active to very active person.

3000-3500 for an active to very active person attempting to make muscle gains (with a normal metabolism)

4000-5000 for an active to very active person attempting to make muscle gains (with a high metabolism).

???WTF???

[Golgo-13]

Got this from another trad. It's Gerald Butlers '300' movie work out...anyone wanna attempt it!

Either way, it's the reason Butler enlisted the help of Mark Twight, a former world-class mountain climber who, based on personal experience, believes in training as if your life depends on it. In fact, Twight would argue that a good workout should make you feel almost queasy upon hearing what lies ahead. For example, to hasten Butler's mind-body transformation, he created what he calls the "300-rep Spartan workout." (Trust us, 100 reps is plenty hard.) (*2)

It goes like this: Without resting between exercises, Butler performs 25 pullups, 50 deadlifts with 135 pounds, 50 pushups, 50 jumps on a 24-inch box, 50 floor wipers (*3), 50 single-arm clean-and-presses using a 36-pound kettle bell, and 25 more pullups. All this, in addition to utilizing other unconventional yet equally taxing training methods, such as tire flipping and gymnastics-style ring training. Sound like hell? It is. In fact, upon receiving his marching orders for a Spartan workout, one of Butler's costars told Twight, "It feels like you just killed my dog."
What the hell are floor wipers, mountain climbers?

[mrvlknight21]

Yeah that 300 workout has been posted all over the net, it was in Men's Health as well. Someone posted links to the interview w/ Gerard Butler and some of the training videos on youtube. You can still find them online. The trainer, from Gym Jones (dont recall his name) said that they also ate very little during the training (?).

[Superman79]

Yeah, a lot of people say 90%. I always say it's 85% diet, 10% working out smart and 5% just plain busting your ass.

jag


Actually, it's 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain and 100% reason to remember the name... :oldrazz:


:woot: I love working out to that song...

[Colossal Spoons]

More like:

50% Steroids
25% Diet
15% PIITB
10% Do work!

[Sun_Down]

For me it's 20% fried cheese, 10% leg-warmers and 80% positive thoughts. You'll notice that the numbers don't add up to 100%, that's cause I always give 110%.

[Super Kal]

I gave you several suggestions, some of which were free or very inexpensive.

jag
i know that part, and I thank you for that, but i was actually asking if it's possible that changing the road you walk on could trigger that kind of pain...

[Colossal Spoons]

Well track fields aren't made of that soft rubber for no reason. This really does sound like something that needs some kind of medical attention though. :(

Good luck :)

[Super Kal]

alrighty then.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

For me it's 100% looking great when naked. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hey Jag, why are kick backs so worthless and harmful? What are some better tricep exercises? They are one of my trouble areas.

[jaguarr]

Hey Jag, why are kick backs so worthless and harmful?

They really aren't harmful (unless someone's using way too much weight and using bad form, but that's true for any exercise). They're just a very ineffective tricep exercise and don't work the tricep muscle as effectively as pretty much any of the other tricep exercises that you could be doing.

What are some better tricep exercises? They are one of my trouble areas.

Read this post (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11334646&postcount=4441). :up:


On another note, I did 30 minutes of real easy cardio on the elliptical this afternoon. First time I've done any sort of exercise in about two and a half weeks thanks to the nasty bug I had for awhile. Felt good and got some of the lingering junk out of my lungs. Lower back felt damn good doing this today, to, thanks to the cheap orthotics I put in my workout shoes just before I got sick. This was the first time I've done my cardio using the orthotics and it made a difference as I usually experience a slight bit of lower back pain when on the elliptical for longer than 20 minutes or so. Very cool. I'm betting they'll make a difference in my squatting as well. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

He didn't say harmful, just useless.