The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I usually work three muscles a day 2 different muscles and my abs. I don't put to much weight cause I mostly want my body to be cut and my body mass is just fine IMO.

:up:

[The Ether]

cool :D

[MakeMineMarvel]

i guess you overlooked three simple letters in my post



IMO= In my OPINION. Batty for Bats asked for any input, and I just gave him my personal experience. MMM, it seems like you have a ton of knowledge and i'd appreciate further advice. I'll definately be trying the negative sets.


Pushups (Military & Diamond), Situps (Bicycle & crunches), Pull ups, Chin ups, and squats.

edit: forgot leg raises

Also, when you say take out the Milk + Cheese from my foods, does that include Skim Milk?
Sorry bud, didn't mean to come off as rude, although my statement is an opinion I stand behind. Your calisthenic routine seems solid, but remember that the body gets stagnant and bored with repetitive routines.

[MakeMineMarvel]

If you intake more Protein than you can burn or use to build muscle, yes it will put fat on your body. But that is why I said 2g per.
Excess protein exits the body as waste.

[The Ether]

you can always true something different with your work out routine like:

switch the amount or reps per set, but you need to increase or lower your weight depending on the # of reps

do a different excercise try something new.

listen to music that would actually pump you up, I would sometimes listen to 'eye of the tiger' you be amazed at the how you would bench press in synch with the song

[MakeMineMarvel]

Okay this is to Goldenagehero, Mr. Socko and ANYONE that wants to start losing weight and getting in better shape.

1) Determine your goal. Lose 20lbs of fat, 40lbs, lower cholesterol, look better naked, whatever. Make sure you set a goal for yourself.

2) Try and educate yourself a little about eating healthy for life and exercise. It will motivate you and help keep you going if you know what to do on your own and not need to rely on others.

3) Asses how in or out of shape you are. See how many pushups you can do before you stop. See how many laps you can jog around a track or for how many minutes before you get tired.

4) Cut out the fast food, period! Buy and learn what foods are healthy for you, whole wheats, fruits, veggies, fish, lean steak, good carbs etc. Lots and lots of water.

5) Always start off slow, or else you risk injury and setting yourself back further.

6) Be patient, it will takes months to drop 20-40lbs or even a year. So think long term.

7) Positive thinking and determination. Mind over matter can not be stressed enough here. You CAN do it if you put your mind to it.

Okay now that I have made some important points (I think I covered the basics, if Calvin, Makeminemarvel, SB or anyone wants to add more feel free) it's time to get you started.

Start off at 40%-60% of your max. Like I said you need to determine first what your limits are in order to do this, but this way you will give yourself plenty of leaway to build up your body for more intense workout sessions.

So if it takes you say 10 minutes to run a mile and you are wiped out after, jog at an 14-16 minute pace. If you can do say 20 pushups once before you are again wiped and can do no more. Do three sets of 6-12.

Starting off this low may seem tedious but this will ensure that you will not hurt yourself or you will not be too sore to do anything the next day.

Try taking up an activity instead of just doing boring cardio on a treadmill or bike. Martial Arts, boxing, sports, etc. Get out of the house and exercise.

Basic exercises at home you can do that require no weights and will help you start off your workout are.

Pushups
Dips on your bathtub: sit on the edge of your tub facing away, put your palms down so your fingers hang over the edge, then scoot your feet out so your butt lifts off of the tub then slowly lower yourself until your butt almost touches the ground, then press yourself back up. You should feel strain in your triceps.

Crunches
squats or wall sits
lunges
calf raises

Yes those are basic exercises, but they will get you started in ther right direction and give you some basis for getting your body in shape before you join a gym or buy home equipment.

Hope that helps.
I'll give you a big :up: for that post! The most important thing is what you mentioned in no. 6: be patient. It is easy to be lulled into the "microwave mentality" that is pushed by infomercials and magazine covers that show some guy or gal that has been hitting the gym for years with headlines like, "Get this summer body in 8 weeks!" Look, if you haven't been working out and are 25lb overweight right now, you will probably not have that body in 8 weeks. You can be on the road to that body, but your mindset going in will determine your results. If you're 40lb overweight, look at your movement to being cut as a year to year and-a-half process at best. Can you get there in 10 months? It's possible, but when you get sick in month 6 and don't work out for 2 weeks, are you going to quit because your goal is off?

Your initial goal should be progress. Whether it's lifting a little heavier weight, weighing a little less, running a little longer or losing half an inch, you should shoot for positive progress. At the same time you should set goals that will deliver you predictable positive results. Being consistent and persistent will pay off, if you exercise and diet properly.

[Holly Goodhead]

if i want to lose weight i just dont eat. laul

[THWIP*]

I usually work three muscles a day 2 different muscles and my abs. I don't put to much weight cause I mostly want my body to be cut and my body mass is just fine IMO.


I USUALLY ONLY WORK WORK 1 MUSCLE A DAY, AND I WHEN I'M DONE, IT GETS VERY LIMP, AND I GET VERY SLEEPY. :confused: :O

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

if i want to lose weight i just dont eat. laul

That actually has the oppositve effect in the short term. Your body will store fat if you don't eat, hence making you put on weight :D

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I USUALLY ONLY WORK WORK 1 MUSCLE A DAY, AND I WHEN I'M DONE, IT GETS VERY LIMP, AND I GET VERY SLEEPY. :confused: :O

You need sexual Kung-Fu :up: You'll be pumping that 1 muscle all day and not get tired :up:

[The Ether]

I USUALLY ONLY WORK WORK 1 MUSCLE A DAY, AND I WHEN I'M DONE, IT GETS VERY LIMP, AND I GET VERY SLEEPY. :confused: :Ounfornately for you, but for me that muscle never gets tired:D

[Holly Goodhead]

That actually has the oppositve effect in the short term. Your body will store fat if you don't eat, hence making you put on weight :D

not if i never eat again, i win.:o

[jaguarr]

That actually has the oppositve effect in the short term. Your body will store fat if you don't eat, hence making you put on weight :D

It also has a strong possibility of stalling out someone's metabolism and turning them into a fatty, and it can be damn hard to get thaat metabolism jumpstarted again once that happens.

Good advice happening in this thread from Shadow, BAH and MakeMineMarvel. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

not if i never eat again, i win.:o

No we win :D :up:

[SLYspyder]

Men's fitness magazines have pics.

I couldn't help myself :p.



hows that

[user123456789]

Sorry bud, didn't mean to come off as rude, although my statement is an opinion I stand behind. Your calisthenic routine seems solid, but remember that the body gets stagnant and bored with repetitive routines.

It'll be at least a month before i hit the weights at a gym, so anyone have any suggestions as to how i would 'mix-up' my calisthenic workout?

[Batty for Bats!]

It'll be at least a month before i hit the weights at a gym, so anyone have any suggestions as to how i would 'mix-up' my calisthenic workout?Two words. Ty-bo.

[Mr. Socko]

One day I plan to be in top notch shape like Bartram :D

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It'll be at least a month before i hit the weights at a gym, so anyone have any suggestions as to how i would 'mix-up' my calisthenic workout?

Plyometrics and negative reps. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Bump

[user123456789]

just ate half a power bar...

15 minutes until i hit the treadmill!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Oh and Boyscout, your question concerning dairy.

It has been showen that dairy products help reduce belly fat :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Oh and Boyscout, your question concerning dairy.

It has been showen that dairy products help reduce belly fat :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Oh and Boyscout, your question concerning dairy.

It has been showen that dairy products help reduce belly fat :up:

[Mr. Credible]

It'll be at least a month before i hit the weights at a gym, so anyone have any suggestions as to how i would 'mix-up' my calisthenic workout?

get the eye-toy kinetic.

[Alpha and Omega]

Oh and Boyscout, your question concerning dairy.

It has been showen that dairy products help reduce belly fat :up:

Really. Where did you research this?

[Mr. Credible]

i started doing my patented "very high protein, little to no carb, gallon of water a day, multi vitamin diet" again last saturday, and i started going to the gym again on monday. i've lost 6 lbs. so far according to the scale, and who knows, maybe more, because i've also probably put on a pound or two of muscle.

anyone who says low carb doesn't work is just jealous! (just kidding, but seriously)

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Really. Where did you research this?

Men's Health, but before you scoff at this. They do not perform the research, this research has been conducted at major universities. Like I said, it is a great magazine to pick up, it offers to much more than just working out. Eating right, living better, how to reduce stress, get your life in order etc.

Truly a great read:up:

I read it front to back every month :up:

[Mr. Credible]

Men's Health, but before you scoff at this. They do not perform the research, this research has been conducted at major universities. Like I said, it is a great magazine to pick up, it offers to much more than just working out. Eating right, living better, how to reduce stress, get your life in order etc.

Truly a great read:up:

I read it front to back every month :up:

i never buy those magazines, because it seems like every month they have a new "best way to get rid of belly fat fast" or, "the 6 day bicep workout that works" or whatever, but like, the same thing every month. i do like the recipes they give, though. :)

[Alpha and Omega]

Men's Health, but before you scoff at this. They do not perform the research, this research has been conducted at major universities. Like I said, it is a great magazine to pick up, it offers to much more than just working out. Eating right, living better, how to reduce stress, get your life in order etc.

Truly a great read:up:

I read it front to back every month :up:

I'll have to glance at it; I don't really subscribe or read fitness mags because I have more trouble keeping weight on than losing. Of course, I haven't eaten dairy in almost two years, and I'm nearly on a vegan diet. The last thing I have to eliminate is poultry.

I just found that interesting though, considering the fact that Dairy is high-fat, and a cause of cancer. You really have to watch these studies though. Corporations pay for certains studies, in this case food or beverage, to have certain slants; the FDA is a joke.:o

When you see these supposed health scores in favor of vitamins, diets, food choices, or workouts, I always am interested at the ambiguity of it all. I wouldn't say it's overwhelming for self, but some things might be a tad misleading.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

i never buy those magazines, because it seems like every month they have a new "best way to get rid of belly fat fast" or, "the 6 day bicep workout that works" or whatever, but like, the same thing every month. i do like the recipes they give, though. :)

Well yes and no. Yes and no because for one, research is always advancing and changing methods of working out and dieting/nutrition. So more and more is discovered all the time. I'll give an example, tell me if this makes sense or seems logical.

Pre 60's- Lifting heavy weights was thought the best to to improve strength and physique

Pre 80's- Isometrics (pushing/pulling against an imovable object) was thought to be the best way to increase natural strength

80's-90's- Plyometrics become big for highly conditioned athletes and is used as the best way to functional strength.

80's-Now- Circuit training is used as the best way to increase real strength and power

Now- Negative reps prove to be the most effective way at increase real and functional strength for performance.


Now I may not have all the dates nailed to a T, but that should give you a rough idea of how exercising and working out has developed over the years. So magazines like Muscle Fitness and Men's Health do often inform us to the "newest" or "best" ways to work out etc. but that is not soley because they are changing their minds but more and more is constantly being discovered about the human body and performance.

It also depends on what you want and what you are going for. Do you just want to look good in a mirror or do you really want to have a lot of functional strength?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'll have to glance at it; I don't really subscribe or read fitness mags because I have more trouble keeping weight on than losing. Of course, I haven't eaten dairy in almost two years, and I'm nearly on a vegan diet. The last thing I have to eliminate is poultry.

I just found that interesting though, considering the fact that Dairy is high-fat, and a cause of cancer. You really have to watch these studies though. Corporations pay for certains studies, in this case food or beverage, to have certain slants; the FDA is a joke.:o

When you see these supposed health scores in favor of vitamins, diets, food choices, or workouts, I always am interested at the ambiguity of it all. I wouldn't say it's overwhelming for self, but some things might be a tad misleading .

True and good point, everything is self interest in this country, sadly :(

[user123456789]

BAH says dairy is good

SB says dairy is bad

help.. someone..

[hey yo its sean]

Just do whatever you want. Neither of those guys are experts, and even the experts get it wrong once in a while.

Non-fat organic. Can't go wrong.

[user123456789]

Just do whatever you want. Neither of those guys are experts, and even the experts get it wrong once in a while.

Non-fat organic. Can't go wrong.

yea sean, but i have noticed my skin feeling tighter & loss of stomach fat (and fat everywhere else for that matter) while i've restricted dairy for the past 2 weeks.

it could be my cardio workout, but i've done cardio long-term before WITH dairy, and this time around, i look better.

whats wierd though is that my energy at night has gone down tremendously. could it be my lack of dairy? i know i consume at least 2000 calories a day, exercise 4-5 days a week, but at nights, i become drowsy alot sooner than normal.

and does non-fat organic milk exist?

[Alpha and Omega]

BAH says dairy is good

SB says dairy is bad

help.. someone..

Are you seriously asking this? Dairy has never been healthy; look at the average american. Is dairy helping to improve their respective wastelines? :rolleyes:

Breyers, Edy's, and Hagen Daz will help you lose weight.:confused: In addition, Wisconsin cheddar will help your waist miraculously shrink, while you sit on the couch and will the pounds away.:confused:

[user123456789]

Are you seriously asking this? Dairy has never been healthy; look at the average american. Is dairy helping to improve their respective wastelines? :rolleyes:

Breyers, Edy's, and Hagen Daz will help you lose weight. In addition, Wisconsin cheddar will help your waist miraculously shrink, while you sit on the couch and will the pounds away.

Well the only dairy i consumed before was 1% milk + cheese (once in a blue moon).

only reason im so worried is because im trying to lower my body fat % from around 12 to 8, and get my 6pack.

[hey yo its sean]

Are you seriously asking this? Dairy has never been healthy; look at the average american. Is dairy helping to improve their respective wastelines? :rolleyes:

Breyers, Edy's, and Hagen Daz will help you lose weight.:confused: In addition, Wisconsin cheddar will help your waist miraculously shrink, while you sit on the couch and will the pounds away.:confused:

Yeah, because the only means in which you can consume dairy are on a cheeseburger or a confectionary snack.

[The Hurricane]

The Beer isn't helping thats for sure. But in order to look like a celebrity you need to follow an extremely strict diet similar to the one I posted many pages back. Also you're either and ectomorph (in which case you probably would be toned) a mesomorph or an endomorph (would would have to do INTENSE cardio at least 4 times a week to see tone plus a calorie restricted diet similar to mine but lessen considerably). hmm... might have to give up the beer for a while and see what results a see after a month

[Alpha and Omega]

Yeah, because the only means in which you can consume dairy are on a cheeseburger or a confectionary snack.

:confused: No, those were just the most popular examples.

Well the only dairy i consumed before was 1% milk + cheese (once in a blue moon).

only reason im so worried is because im trying to lower my body fat % from around 12 to 8, and get my 6pack.

Obviously nobody here is an expert including self, but I would say that it depended on your family genetics as well. Certain people are going to have to work harder to gain the definition that they're trying for. I'm of the opinion that dairy does more harm than good, but I don't exclude it from my diet for weight concerns.

I don't partake of it because the human body was never designed to consume dairy, or so my physician claims. A lot of people become lactose intolerant later in life as a result of this.

If you're trying to obtain a six-pack, maybe you should test yourself to see what works best for you. Instead of whole or 2 %, try Soy milk. It's up to you.

Personally, I have a pretty strict diet, but that's only to increase my energy, and enhance my body's performance. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else and I doubt others would do it.

[user123456789]

Personally, I have a pretty strict diet, but that's only to increase my energy, and enhance my body's performance. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else and I doubt others would do it.

care to share?

[Alpha and Omega]

Sure, I eat breakfast in two parts/meals: It consists of either two portions of oatmeal, or two bowls of cereal w/ Rice Dream soy milk.

I eat a proteine bar or two around lunch.

In the evening I'll have a salad in two parts/meals again. I change the ingredients from time to time, so it doesn't bore me; sometimes I'll just eat a veggie sandwich instead of a salad.

My dinner is usually a stir-fry of some sort, chili, stew, or pasta, if not a combination. I'll try new recipes whenever I'm in the mood, but my diet is pretty ascetic.

I only drink water, oj, (soy milk w/ cereal), and cranberry juice. . . well, aside from beer.:O . . . hey, it doesn't really affect my workout. I take supplements to ensure that my body still has the necessary fatty acids, and nutrients. It's been working for me. I've gradually fazed meat out of my diet and the last thing I have left is poultry.:o

This isn't a how-to for people, this is just my personal choice.

[user123456789]

are the supplements expensive?

im lookin to buy an A-Z supplement, B12 supplement, and some fatty acid supplements.

the cholesterol in my tuna sandwiches are killer.

[hey yo its sean]

You're not eating enough.

[user123456789]

except for my tuna sandwich i ate pretty similarly to AO..

BREAKFAST:
40G protein shake + handful of strawberries

SNACK:
1 cup KOSHI cereal (plain)

LUNCH:
20g protein bar

SNACK:
1 cup KOSHI cereal (plain)

DINNER:
tuna fish on wheat bread

SNACK:
banana + handful of strawberries

last meal before bed:
40g protein shake

today with my nighttime shake i'd say i consumed around 1600 calories. not as much as i'd like but with 7 hours of class wtf am i supposed to do.

i'll eat more tomorrow.

[Alpha and Omega]

are the supplements expensive?

im lookin to buy an A-Z supplement, B12 supplement, and some fatty acid supplements.

the cholesterol in my tuna sandwiches are killer.

It depends on which ones you purchase. Are you buying name brand, generic, which store are going to? I usually go to GNC and buy Vit-C, a multi-vitamin, and some energy pills.

You're not eating enough. :confused: I've been eating this way since early 04 and I have regular check-ups w/ my physician. I always receive healthy marks. :confused: My body has adapted because I didn't start out w/ the extreme diet; I slowly transformed my habits.

[hey yo its sean]

Since i've moved, my eating habits have gone to s**t. I'm eating, like, 2 meals a day, if that. Ridiculous.

[hey yo its sean]

:confused: I've been eating this way since early 04 and I have regular check-ups w/ my physician. I always receive healthy marks. :confused:
Yeah, I guess what you're doing is alright. I'm just so used to seeing people inquire about good bulking/cutting diets, and it's best to eat smaller mealls every couple of hours rather than the 3-square meals a day thing.

[user123456789]

Since i've moved, my eating habits have gone to s**t. I'm eating, like, 2 meals a day, if that. Ridiculous.

ah man change that bro. even if i can't get the 2000 calorie mark i've set for myself, i always try to eat around 6 'meals' a day. whether they are full fledged meals or just snacks.

go buy some fruit snacks or somethin. or a box of protein bars.

[hey yo its sean]

No, I hear you. Definitely.

With me getting this place, I think it's going to be a lot easier to get back into my regular routine. Where i'm at right now, no one is really concerned about healthy foods, or even fitness for that matter. I'm not blaming my environment, that's bulls**t, I know; it's ultimately my fault - but it'll be much easier to get back in the swing of things once I can start on a blank slate.

[user123456789]

for some reason the past 2 days i've been feelin REALLY tired at nights, and that has made me prospone my cardio for a bit..

i think it may be related to my wisdom tooth surgery because my gums are still recovering.

[Alpha and Omega]

Yeah, I guess what you're doing is alright. I'm just so used to seeing people inquire about good bulking/cutting diets, and it's best to eat smaller mealls every couple of hours rather than the 3-square meals a day thing.

Smaller meals are better for you body. I eat five a day. Two of the three are split into halves, hence four minute servings, and the other is a light snack.

[Alpha and Omega]

for some reason the past 2 days i've been feelin REALLY tired at nights, and that has made me prospone my cardio for a bit..

i think it may be related to my wisdom tooth surgery because my gums are still recovering.

Are you taking medecine for that?

[user123456789]

Are you taking medecine for that?

i just stopped taking antibiotics & pain killers.

i had my stitches taken out this past monday. there is still a gaping hole though, lmfao. its gonna be awhile.

[hey yo its sean]

Smaller meals are better for you body. I eat five a day. Two of the three are split into halves, hence four minute servings, and the other is a light snack.
I must have misread or misunderstood before. The way it read, to me, was that you ate breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Just to clarify.

[user123456789]

I must have misread or misunderstood before. The way it read, to me, was that you ate breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Just to clarify.

ditto...

AO, how far apart are these 'split' meals?

for me, i require 2.5 - 3 hours after i have a meal, for me and my body to think im havin another meal.

[Alpha and Omega]

I don't have a schedule set in stone, but I usually eat once around 7:30 or 8. Then again around 10:30. I'll have a light snack around 3. I'll make my dinner at six, but eat one half of it later on in the evening/nighttime.

Basically I prepare three meals, but I eat them in five settings. Breaksfast is two parts / so is dinner.

[hey yo its sean]

How much water do you guys drink daily? Back home i'd drink at least 80 oz. easy, but I had to piss like crazy all the time. Twice an hour, maybe. With school starting soon, I don't think that s**t's gonna fly.

[Alpha and Omega]

60-64 ounces of water / daily w/ one glass of OJ or CJ in the morning and another at night, if I'm not drinking a brew.

[user123456789]

usually in the mornings, i drink about a liter.

while im at school, its another liter to 2 liters.

when i get home, i drink about 4 more liters.

[hey yo its sean]

I love OJ. Throw some peach shnapps in there.

Fuzzy navels might be girly drinks, but they're tasty as hell.

[user123456789]

I love OJ. Throw some peach shnapps in there.

Fuzzy navels might be girly drinks, but they're tasty as hell.

hell yea.. same with white russians, mountain dew & vodka, etc.

[hey yo its sean]

usually in the mornings, i drink about a liter.

while im at school, its another liter to 2 liters.

when i get home, i drink about 4 more liters.

Jesus.

You're a beast.

[user123456789]

Jesus.

You're a beast.

what sucks is that my 'rents are stupid pricks who don't realize buying a ****ing filter would save us alot more money than runnin our asses to BJs and buyin 5-32 pack poland spring bottles.

even though at BJs a bottle of poland spring costs us like 13 cents, a filter would enable me to drink ****load more water.

they always moan and ***** about how i drink so much water.

[Alpha and Omega]

hell yea.. same with white russians, mountain dew & vodka, etc.

I mix that w/ Hennessey; Vanilla coke w/ Carribean Spice Rum is really great also. Of course this could impede your workout results, and I don't want to stumble you or anything.

[user123456789]

I mix that w/ Hennessey; Vanilla coke w/ Carribean Spice Rum is really great also. Of course this could impede your workout results, and I don't want to stumble you or anything.

lol yea. i no longer drink hard liquor/smoke. i'll have a beer once in awhile with my pals though.

and everyone's having an orgasm in the SR boards right now.

5 new pics + article, lol.

[jusblaze21]

Today I played Basketball For three hours straight, I have'nt done that in like 6 months, but when I got home I was'nt hungry i'm usually straving after excercise.

[Spider-Who?]

heres one.

i'm 20yrs old. about 5'6 and round 165lbs. i'm a poor college student who occasionaly uses the bowflex that my roommate has. i'm not in too bad shape, when looking in the mirror i can tell i have a decent body, its just alittle "cushioned" by a slight beer-drinking gut. i wouldnt mind loosing 5-10 pounds. but all this fitness jargon for dieting really pushes me away. any laymens tips for simply loosing alittle bit of those love handles quick?

[captain_jimbo]

How much water do you guys drink daily? Back home i'd drink at least 80 oz. easy, but I had to piss like crazy all the time. Twice an hour, maybe. With school starting soon, I don't think that s**t's gonna fly.

I tend to drink tons of water these days.

[Mr. Credible]

Well yes and no. Yes and no because for one, research is always advancing and changing methods of working out and dieting/nutrition. So more and more is discovered all the time. I'll give an example, tell me if this makes sense or seems logical.

Pre 60's- Lifting heavy weights was thought the best to to improve strength and physique

Pre 80's- Isometrics (pushing/pulling against an imovable object) was thought to be the best way to increase natural strength

80's-90's- Plyometrics become big for highly conditioned athletes and is used as the best way to functional strength.

80's-Now- Circuit training is used as the best way to increase real strength and power

Now- Negative reps prove to be the most effective way at increase real and functional strength for performance.


Now I may not have all the dates nailed to a T, but that should give you a rough idea of how exercising and working out has developed over the years. So magazines like Muscle Fitness and Men's Health do often inform us to the "newest" or "best" ways to work out etc. but that is not soley because they are changing their minds but more and more is constantly being discovered about the human body and performance.

It also depends on what you want and what you are going for. Do you just want to look good in a mirror or do you really want to have a lot of functional strength?

truthfully? i just want my body to look better. i'm not in this to win any weight lifting compititions. i really don't care if i can bench 500 lbs or not. i figure if i shed some fat, and workout moderate to heavy 5 or 6 days a week, i'll be much healthier then i am now. that's enough for me.

[user123456789]

Today I played Basketball For three hours straight, I have'nt done that in like 6 months, but when I got home I was'nt hungry i'm usually straving after excercise.

i recommend after any exercise, you MUST consume calories that contain a good amount of complex carbs & protein. you may not feel hungry, but trust me, your body needs food. especially after 3 hours of bball.

[user123456789]

heres one.

i'm 20yrs old. about 5'6 and round 165lbs. i'm a poor college student who occasionaly uses the bowflex that my roommate has. i'm not in too bad shape, when looking in the mirror i can tell i have a decent body, its just alittle "cushioned" by a slight beer-drinking gut. i wouldnt mind loosing 5-10 pounds. but all this fitness jargon for dieting really pushes me away. any laymens tips for simply loosing alittle bit of those love handles quick?

nothing is quick if you want the changes to be life-lasting and safe for your body. you have a ****ing bowflex and you use it only 'occasionally?' that piece of equipment is one of the best on the market man. it really lets you do some extreme negative reps. i suggest if you are too lazy to do some cardio, workout on his bowflex 3 times a week for 20-30 minutes, hitting all/most of your muscles. remember, its not how much you weigh, its what your bf% and muscle mass is. don't let your weight fool you man.

laymens tips? heres a couple.

if you normally drink 5 beers at a party, cut it down to 4.
switch from eating cheeseburgers to just burgers.
lose the mayo (or at least some of it) in sandwiches
get rid of most of your sweets. you don't have to restrict them all but minimize how often you eat them. for example if you have a snickers every day, either just eat one every other day. if thats too hard, eat half a bar every day.
instead of the usual condiments (mayo, ketchup, mustard, relish), use tobasco or hot sauce. they have 0 calories. in addition it'll induce drinking of water. which leads to my next tip.
drink water. LOTS of it. it'll help you lose weight.

there's tons more but i dont feel like goin into all of it unless you give me some more feeedback.

[user123456789]

truthfully? i just want my body to look better. i'm not in this to win any weight lifting compititions. i really don't care if i can bench 500 lbs or not. i figure if i shed some fat, and workout moderate to heavy 5 or 6 days a week, i'll be much healthier then i am now. that's enough for me.

if thats a combination of cardio + weight training, that might be alright, depending on how fast your body recovers.

if thats 5-6 days a week of weight liftin, i suggest you cut that in half. your body needs TIME & nutrients more than anything. your muscles don't grow in the gym, they grow in your bed.

[Iceman]

if thats a combination of cardio + weight training, that might be alright, depending on how fast your body recovers.

if thats 5-6 days a week of weight liftin, i suggest you cut that in half. your body needs TIME & nutrients more than anything. your muscles don't grow in the gym, they grow in your bed.

which muscles are we talking about? :p


I do weights 3 times a week hitting each bodypart only once a week so that should be enough time for them to recover

But I can't help doing 1hr of cardio per day (most days) so this stops me getting too big

I'm starting kung fu soon so I don't think I 'll be able to fit everything in but I don't know if I'm training efficiently

The main reason for the cardio overload is the feelgood factor I get from doing it rather than any attempt to change my look

[user123456789]

which muscles are we talking about? :p


I do weights 3 times a week hitting each bodypart only once a week so that should be enough time for them to recover

But I can't help doing 1hr of cardio per day (most days) so this stops me getting too big

I'm starting kung fu soon so I don't think I 'll be able to fit everything in but I don't know if I'm training efficiently

The main reason for the cardio overload is the feelgood factor I get from doing it rather than any attempt to change my look

since you love cardio, on days you weight lift, make sure your cardio is always after. or else your muscles won't hit their peaks.

[Iceman]

since you love cardio, on days you weight lift, make sure your cardio is always after. or else your muscles won't hit their peaks.

Actually thats what I do as I'm totally drenched with sweat (I start sweating after 5 minutes) after the cardio & wouldn't be able to carry on doing weights and maintain self respect at the same time.

Does the cardio after the weights lessen the impact of a good session. Does it interfere with muscle growth?

[user123456789]

Actually thats what I do as I'm totally drenched with sweat (I start sweating after 5 minutes) after the cardio & wouldn't be able to carry on doing weights and maintain self respect at the same time.

Does the cardio after the weights lessen the impact of a good session. Does it interfere with muscle growth?

IMO cardio right after weights does impair muscle growth.

do you at least try to squeeze in a protein shake?

[Spider-Who?]

nothing is quick if you want the changes to be life-lasting and safe for your body. you have a ****ing bowflex and you use it only 'occasionally?' that piece of equipment is one of the best on the market man. it really lets you do some extreme negative reps. i suggest if you are too lazy to do some cardio, workout on his bowflex 3 times a week for 20-30 minutes, hitting all/most of your muscles. remember, its not how much you weigh, its what your bf% and muscle mass is. don't let your weight fool you man.

laymens tips? heres a couple.

if you normally drink 5 beers at a party, cut it down to 4.
switch from eating cheeseburgers to just burgers.
lose the mayo (or at least some of it) in sandwiches
get rid of most of your sweets. you don't have to restrict them all but minimize how often you eat them. for example if you have a snickers every day, either just eat one every other day. if thats too hard, eat half a bar every day.
instead of the usual condiments (mayo, ketchup, mustard, relish), use tobasco or hot sauce. they have 0 calories. in addition it'll induce drinking of water. which leads to my next tip.
drink water. LOTS of it. it'll help you lose weight.

there's tons more but i dont feel like goin into all of it unless you give me some more feeedback.
cool, 'preciate it. well, i admit, i am a lazy man, but lack of using the bowflex (its a "motivator" line) isnt out of laziness, but more so out of...how do you say...self esteem issues? there are 6 guys living in my apt with atleast 10 people always around and therefor i always feel like such a cheese dlck using it :(

[Spider-Who?]

also, would you guys suggest any of the multitude of stuff GNC offers? I went in there the other day and was completely flabbergasted at everything they had, and ended up leaving empty-handed and with a head ache...

[user123456789]

also, would you guys suggest any of the multitude of stuff GNC offers? I went in there the other day and was completely flabbergasted at everything they had, and ended up leaving empty-handed and with a head ache...

:up:

never buy on impulse. do your research first.

if you do decide to buy some stuff from gnc, i'd recommend the vitamin / nutrient pills. A-Z type stuff, B12 is important, and C.

anything weight-lifthing/fat burning related, you can get ALOT cheaper online from generic companies.

[user123456789]

cool, 'preciate it. well, i admit, i am a lazy man, but lack of using the bowflex (its a "motivator" line) isnt out of laziness, but more so out of...how do you say...self esteem issues? there are 6 guys living in my apt with atleast 10 people always around and therefor i always feel like such a cheese dlck using it :(

if you workout on it 3 days, 20 min sessions, for 2 months, you don't look like such a cheese dick.

if you realize you're not as lazy as you thought and incorporate some cardio into that, it'll take just 1 month for you to be noticeably better looking.

[jaguarr]

IMO cardio right after weights does impair muscle growth.

do you at least try to squeeze in a protein shake?

It can if you do too much, yes. There is a way around that by getting some BCAA's in you immediately following lifting and then doing no more than 20-25 minutes of cardio before getting your post workout fast absorbring whey protein shake with some simple sugars (preferrably dextrose or maltodextrose) to spike your glucose levels and drive the protein into the cells. The BCAA's will protect your muscle after a workout but doing cardio after heavy lifting when your glucogen levels are already depleted will burn fat. Even better is pre-breakfast cardio followed by the PWO shake, as your glucogen stores are depleted upon waking as well, until you refeed.

jag

[jaguarr]

:up:

never buy on impulse. do your research first.

if you do decide to buy some stuff from gnc, i'd recommend the vitamin / nutrient pills. A-Z type stuff, B12 is important, and C.

anything weight-lifthing/fat burning related, you can get ALOT cheaper online from generic companies.

I agree. And GNC is really overpriced. If you're a moderate lifter a multi-vitamin, some whey protein and MAYBE some creatine will carry you very far. Spend the rest of that money on clean, healthy food.

jag

[user123456789]

It can if you do too much, yes. There is a way around that by getting some BCAA's in you immediately following lifting and then doing no more than 20-25 minutes of cardio before getting your post workout fast absorbring whey protein shake with some simple sugars (preferrably dextrose or maltodextrose) to spike your glucose levels and drive the protein into the cells. The BCAA's will protect your muscle after a workout but doing cardio after heavy lifting when your glucogen levels are already depleted will burn fat. Even better is pre-breakfast cardio followed by the PWO shake, as your glucogen stores are depleted upon waking as well, until you refeed.

jag

I was a strong advocate of that as well, but ShadowBoxing said the opposite.

Jag, any research do back up your statement?

[jaguarr]

It's common knowledge that your body burns glycogen first for energy above everything else, and then moves on to excess stored bodyfat as a source of fuel when the glycogen has been depleted. While you want your glycogen stores high for your lifting, ideal cardio done for the purpose of burning fat would be done at a point when your glycogen stores have been depleted. Mornings, prior to having eaten breakfast, are when your glycogen stores are at their natural low point. So, doing cardio at that point in time will burn off any remaining glycogen faster and then move on to burning the excess fat. The trick is to find the median for yourself in your cardio where you burn the fat but not the muscle, and everyone's different in that regard. And, there are folks out there like ShadowBoxing who have a differing viewpoint on all this based on what they've found that works for them. Nothing wrong with that at all, but for most people, I thik pre-breakfast cardio is going to be the most effective. Understand that it's a very difficult trick to both gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, though. It is, in fact, the holy grail of every body builder and exercise enthusiast.

Some reading:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/behar10.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne1.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark1.htm



jag

[user123456789]

It's common knowledge that your body burns glycogen first for energy above everything else, and then moves on to excess stored bodyfat as a source of fuel when the glycogen has been depleted. While you want your glycogen stores high for your lifting, ideal cardio done for the purpose of burning fat would be done at a point when your glycogen stores have been depleted. Mornings, prior to having eaten breakfast, are when your glycogen stores are at their natural low point. So, doing cardio at that point in time will burn off any remaining glycogen faster and then move on to burning the excess fat. The trick is to find the median for yourself in your cardio where you burn the fat but not the muscle, and everyone's different in that regard. And, there are folks out there like ShadowBoxing who have a differing viewpoint on all this based on what they've found that works for them. Nothing wrong with that at all, but for most people, I thik pre-breakfast cardio is going to be the most effective. Understand that it's a very difficult trick to both gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, though. It is, in fact, the holy grail of every body builder and exercise enthusiast.

Some reading:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/behar10.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne1.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark1.htm



jag

any tips on how i can find that threshold? i don't want to lose any more muscle than i've lost, which is why i do my cardio at night.

however i really would love to start doin cardio in the mornin again, because i've lost more fat/weight in the past doing it that way.

[user123456789]

interesting articles. the first one says i should drink my shake before i do cardio in the morning. that sounds like a plan.

where can i get BCAA's and CLA's? or does my whey protein mix already have them?

[jaguarr]

any tips on how i can find that threshold? i don't want to lose any more muscle than i've lost, which is why i do my cardio at night.

however i really would love to start doin cardio in the mornin again, because i've lost more fat/weight in the past doing it that way.

It's tough to find the sweet spot and what works best for you. I typically do 20-25 minutes of pre-breakfast cardio twice a week and no more because I'm still wanting to add muscle and I understand that, for me, enough cardio will help me do that to a certain extent while keeping the fat stores down and allowing me some vascularity to keep the nutrients pumping through my bloodstream. Too MUCH, however, will simply cause me to start burning off too much. You can do some interesting things with carb-cycling as well to impact your fat retention.

jag

[jaguarr]

interesting articles. the first one says i should drink my shake before i do cardio in the morning. that sounds like a plan.

where can i get BCAA's and CLA's? or does my whey protein mix already have them?

Most whey proteins on the market are including BCAA's and CLA's in their mixture, though a lot of people like to add more to their supplementation, but I think it's a waste unless your training at the competition level. The suggestion of drinking your shake before your cardio is a way to get the BCAA's in you prior to cardio to keep the impact to your muscle tissue minimized, actually. BCAA's and CLA's are, after all, simply types of proteins. :) The store at the links I sent you is reputable, has impeccable service, and usually the best prices, by the way.

jag

[user123456789]

Most whey proteins on the market are including BCAA's and CLA's in their mixture, though a lot of people like to add more to their supplementation, but I think it's a waste unless your training at the competition level. The suggestion of drinking your shake before your cardio is a way to get the BCAA's in you prior to cardio to keep the impact to your muscle tissue minimized, actually. BCAA's and CLA's are, after all, simply types of proteins. :) The store at the links I sent you is reputable, has impeccable service, and usually the best prices, by the way.

jag

good lookin out.

looks like i'll be wakin up, drinkin a 40g protein shake, and run for 2-2.5 miles.

then 2-2.5 miles again at night.

thanks jag.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

yea sean, but i have noticed my skin feeling tighter & loss of stomach fat (and fat everywhere else for that matter) while i've restricted dairy for the past 2 weeks.

it could be my cardio workout, but i've done cardio long-term before WITH dairy, and this time around, i look better.

whats wierd though is that my energy at night has gone down tremendously. could it be my lack of dairy? i know i consume at least 2000 calories a day, exercise 4-5 days a week, but at nights, i become drowsy alot sooner than normal.

and does non-fat organic milk exist?

Have you really cut back on your carbs? If you have that is probably why.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

heres one.

i'm 20yrs old. about 5'6 and round 165lbs. i'm a poor college student who occasionaly uses the bowflex that my roommate has. i'm not in too bad shape, when looking in the mirror i can tell i have a decent body, its just alittle "cushioned" by a slight beer-drinking gut. i wouldnt mind loosing 5-10 pounds. but all this fitness jargon for dieting really pushes me away. any laymens tips for simply loosing alittle bit of those love handles quick?

I posted a good starting, easy to follow guide for people that either just want to get in shape or start working out. Basically, cut out the crap (fast food/junk food) to a max of 1-2 meals a week. Run (probably the best thing for you period). And try to limit the amount of alcohol you drink. It's not good for your body to consume more than 3-4 alcoholic beverages in a night anyway and alcohol hinders msucle development.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

also, would you guys suggest any of the multitude of stuff GNC offers? I went in there the other day and was completely flabbergasted at everything they had, and ended up leaving empty-handed and with a head ache...

In all honesty, it really depends on what you want. If you really want to get big (put on 20-30lbs or more of muscle fast) then yes I would reccommend looking into supplements and what not. But if you just want to get in shape, you don't need supplements or shakes or anything else. Just exercise, eat better and drink lots of water.

In what you normally eat in a day you get enough protein in your diet (most people do) to develop your body. Remember, that your muscles have to adapt to the exercises you perform. Either making them increase in mass or definition.

I am sure many of these guys on here will say no, I am wrong and you need to consume 1-2grams of protein per pound of body weight. Well as some of these guys here know I hurt myself a while back, which is why I have just recently started working out again.

I ruptured my left achilles tendon, so my right leg has been compensating for it while it returns back to 100%. Now in that time, I had not worked out at all, increased my protien intake or really even ate all that great. As a matter of fact I put on 15 lbs. But my right calf is huge compared to my left and even to what my right calf muscle was like when I was healthy.

So it will take time if you want to build muscle and put on some minor weight to get a little bigger. But if that's all you want or not even what you want, you really don't need to get any kind of supplements. Of course there are other advantages to taking them, like recoup time, extra energy etc.

But you really don't need them.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Actually thats what I do as I'm totally drenched with sweat (I start sweating after 5 minutes) after the cardio & wouldn't be able to carry on doing weights and maintain self respect at the same time.

Does the cardio after the weights lessen the impact of a good session. Does it interfere with muscle growth?

I don't know what scientific research suggests, but to get a full hard training weight lifting session and get the best out of it you can, I would do cardio after. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Okay this is to Goldenagehero, Mr. Socko and ANYONE that wants to start losing weight and getting in better shape.

1) Determine your goal. Lose 20lbs of fat, 40lbs, lower cholesterol, look better naked, whatever. Make sure you set a goal for yourself.

2) Try and educate yourself a little about eating healthy for life and exercise. It will motivate you and help keep you going if you know what to do on your own and not need to rely on others.

3) Assess how in or out of shape you are. See how many pushups you can do before you stop. See how many laps you can jog around a track or for how many minutes before you get tired.

4) Cut out the fast food, period! Buy and learn what foods are healthy for you, whole wheats, fruits, veggies, fish, lean steak, good carbs etc. Lots and lots of water.

5) Always start off slow, or else you risk injury and setting yourself back further.

6) Be patient, it will takes months to drop 20-40lbs or even a year. So think long term.

7) Positive thinking and determination. Mind over matter can not be stressed enough here. You CAN do it if you put your mind to it.

Okay now that I have made some important points (I think I covered the basics, if Calvin, Makeminemarvel, SB or anyone wants to add more feel free) it's time to get you started.

Start off at 40%-60% of your max. Like I said you need to determine first what your limits are in order to do this, but this way you will give yourself plenty of leaway to build up your body for more intense workout sessions.

So if it takes you say 10 minutes to run a mile and you are wiped out after, jog at an 14-16 minute pace. If you can do say 20 pushups once before you are again wiped and can do no more. Do three sets of 6-12.

Starting off this low may seem tedious but this will ensure that you will not hurt yourself or you will not be too sore to do anything the next day.

Try taking up an activity instead of just doing boring cardio on a treadmill or bike. Martial Arts, boxing, sports, etc. Get out of the house and exercise.

Basic exercises at home you can do that require no weights and will help you start off your workout are.

Pushups
Dips on your bathtub: sit on the edge of your tub facing away, put your palms down so your fingers hang over the edge, then scoot your feet out so your butt lifts off of the tub then slowly lower yourself until your butt almost touches the ground, then press yourself back up. You should feel strain in your triceps.

Crunches
squats or wall sits
lunges
calf raises

Yes those are basic exercises, but they will get you started in ther right direction and give you some basis for getting your body in shape before you join a gym or buy home equipment.

Hope that helps.

Here is what I was talking about.

[user123456789]

Have you really cut back on your carbs? If you have that is probably why.

i cut back on my dairy. i still eat carbs (complex carbs, whole wheat breads, whole wheat cereals).

:(

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

i cut back on my dairy. i still eat carbs (complex carbs, whole wheat breads, whole wheat cereals).

:(

I just meant did you cut back too much. That is usually what happens to people that go the atkins route. They cut their carbs and initially wind up getting very tired throughout the days at first.

And as for your questions about eating dairy/not eating dairy BS. You have a brain, just use common sense. Deep fried passed off as chicken food from KFC or 100% natural no growth hormone grilled chicken with no skin? Baskin Robins ice cream or 1/2 cup of non fat milk with 100% natural ceral?

[user123456789]

I just meant did you cut back too much. That is usually what happens to people that go the atkins route. They cut their carbs and initially wind up getting very tired throughout the days at first.

And as for your questions about eating dairy/not eating dairy BS. You have a brain, just use common sense. Deep fried passed off as chicken food from KFC or 100% natural no growth hormone grilled chicken with no skin? Baskin Robins ice cream or 1/2 cup of non fat milk with 100% natural ceral?

lol thanks BH. i actually wanted to drink milk again because i needed it with my cereal, but one day i started eatin it plain and it actually tasted better. turns out the 1% milk was diluting all the flavor, LOL.

and im not on a diet, per se, this is just how i ALWAYS ate. which is why my tiredness is sorta wierding me out. i've never cut back on carbs. when i was at my old college (dorm + eating hall), i'd stack my plate with pancakes, waffles, pizza, pastas, you name it. now that im at home, the only carbs i get are from whole wheat bread, cereals, nutri grain bars, natures valley bars, fruits (mostly bananas & strawberries), power bars, protein bars, and sometimes white flour pasta (haven't been able to buy whole wheat pasta, my CVS sucks).

i *think* its the milk, but i just can't tell. too many variables. i've cut back milk. i've bought a treadmill so im running more often. i've restocked my protein powders so i'm consuming shakes again. i've had a couple wisdom teeth surgeries so i've been takin medication for that. i'm goin to have another surgery this monday, and then another one on march 16. both of which will require more medication, etc.

*sigh.. no running or weight liftin for a good month starting this monday. :down:down:down :(

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

lol thanks BH. i actually wanted to drink milk again because i needed it with my cereal, but one day i started eatin it plain and it actually tasted better. turns out the 1% milk was diluting all the flavor, LOL.

and im not on a diet, per se, this is just how i ALWAYS ate. which is why my tiredness is sorta wierding me out. i've never cut back on carbs. when i was at my old college (dorm + eating hall), i'd stack my plate with pancakes, waffles, pizza, pastas, you name it. now that im at home, the only carbs i get are from whole wheat bread, cereals, nutri grain bars, natures valley bars, fruits (mostly bananas & strawberries), power bars, protein bars, and sometimes white flour pasta (haven't been able to buy whole wheat pasta, my CVS sucks).

i *think* its the milk, but i just can't tell. too many variables. i've cut back milk. i've bought a treadmill so im running more often. i've restocked my protein powders so i'm consuming shakes again. i've had a couple wisdom teeth surgeries so i've been takin medication for that. i'm goin to have another surgery this monday, and then another one on march 16. both of which will require more medication, etc.

*sigh.. no running or weight liftin for a good month starting this monday. :down:down:down :(

Ouch Bro, I know how that feels. I had all 4 of mine removed at once, and they were all impacted and my teeth are freaking huge! :( It sucked :down

[user123456789]

Ouch Bro, I know how that feels. I had all 4 of mine removed at once, and they were all impacted and my teeth are freaking huge! :( It sucked :down

im a fast healer so its been aight. although there is a gaping hole in my bottom left, because the gums haven't closed up yet and the stitches have already been removed, LOL.

so... readin my last post, any new insight as to my problem? or could it be EVERYTHING that is contributing to my health?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

im a fast healer so its been aight. although there is a gaping hole in my bottom left, because the gums haven't closed up yet and the stitches have already been removed, LOL.

so... readin my last post, any new insight as to my problem? or could it be EVERYTHING that is contributing to my health?

Well....I'll try to make this short and keep it simple, try.

1) Don't worry about it so much, you don't need to stress about it.

2) Cut back on your cardio, it is proven that if you jog/run for a 1/2 hour a day it will help you sleep much better. Maybe you are just overdoing it. So either
A) Cut out a day of cardio
B) Shorten the lengths of the cardio workouts but keep the same amount of cardio days
C) Lower your intensity (remember to burn fat shoot for 60% of target heart rate, you shouldn't be working too hard to attain this level)
D) Try another exercise for cardio

3) How many days off are you taking? I think you said you workout 4-5 days a week. Try making it 4 days and see how that goes.

4) Other factors in your life also affect you and your physiology. Maybe something is stressing you out, work, school etc. Depression also leads to always being tired.

5) Try eating 6 meals a day, 2 hours a part. I was eating 5 but once I had been working out more I found i needed to either eat more or eat more often, so I threw another meal in there and I feel better throughout the day.


Lastly, a lot of what happens to our bodies first and foremost takes place in our minds. There are going to be many people that scoff and laugh at me, say I'm crazy or that science has proven this or proven that. Well science also once thought the world was flat. Western culture likes to assume it is at the forefront of everything.

Well we're not, far from it. Maybe you just need to take 5-10 minutes out during the day to meditate. Close your mind off from everything and just relax. You would be amazed at what you can do if you really take the time to focus on something. If you feel yourself getting tired or drowsy, just stop and sit there for a minute and tell yourself, really believe that you are not tired. Make your brain wake up and re-energize yourself.

I know it sounds odd and sort of Zen like or whatever you want to call it. But I am a firm believer that our minds create our own reality around us. If you did some research you would be astounded what you would find on mental determination/meditation/positive thinking. :up:

[user123456789]

Well....I'll try to make this short and keep it simple, try.

1) Don't worry about it so much, you don't need to stress about it.
aight
2) Cut back on your cardio, it is proven that if you jog/run for a 1/2 hour a day it will help you sleep much better. Maybe you are just overdoing it. So either
A) Cut out a day of cardio
B) Shorten the lengths of the cardio workouts but keep the same amount of cardio days
C) Lower your intensity (remember to burn fat shoot for 60% of target heart rate, you shouldn't be working too hard to attain this level)
D) Try another exercise for cardio
all try all of these and see how it works out. for the record, i dont keep track of my heart rate. i do HIIT, so the only thing that i care about is preserving muscle, and I make sure to have enough protein in my system during the workout so that I lose as little muscle as possible, while burning as much fat as possible.
3) How many days off are you taking? I think you said you workout 4-5 days a week. Try making it 4 days and see how that goes.
i've been thinkin the same thing.
4) Other factors in your life also affect you and your physiology. Maybe something is stressing you out, work, school etc. Depression also leads to always being tired.
werd.
5) Try eating 6 meals a day, 2 hours a part. I was eating 5 but once I had been working out more I found i needed to either eat more or eat more often, so I threw another meal in there and I feel better throughout the day.
2 hours apart? around how many calories should each meal be? right now i eat around 3 hours apart, with a meal being as little as 200 calories to at most 400 calories.

Lastly, a lot of what happens to our bodies first and foremost takes place in our minds. There are going to be many people that scoff and laugh at me, say I'm crazy or that science has proven this or proven that. Well science also once thought the world was flat. Western culture likes to assume it is at the forefront of everything.

Well we're not, far from it. Maybe you just need to take 5-10 minutes out during the day to meditate. Close your mind off from everything and just relax. You would be amazed at what you can do if you really take the time to focus on something. If you feel yourself getting tired or drowsy, just stop and sit there for a minute and tell yourself, really believe that you are not tired. Make your brain wake up and re-energize yourself.

I know it sounds odd and sort of Zen like or whatever you want to call it. But I am a firm believer that our minds create our own reality around us. If you did some research you would be astounded what you would find on mental determination/meditation/positive thinking. :up:
meditation does not sound like a bad idea. can you describe 'close your mind off' more clearly? won't i ALWAYS be thinking about SOMETHING? while i meditate?


:up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

:up:

First thing is first when meditating. Cut yourself off from everything, focus on your breathing to keep your mind from racing. Also if you can't keep your mind from racing, then focus on something. Such as absorbing positive energy, from the air, the Earth, whatever and when you breath out expelling negative energy. That usually works for me since my mind races to all the time :up:

So if you're eating 5 times a day and only 200 calories per meal, you're only consuming 1,000 calories?:eek: Dude you're nuts. If that's all you are eating no wonder you are tired. Yes eat 2 hours apart, 2-3 and 5-6 times a day. If you are tired and only eating 1,000 calories you might want to up it.

Well you want your calorie intake to be at least as much as you burn, and simply by doing nothing, just living, going places, doing homework etc. you Burn anywhere from 1,500-2,000 or more calories a day, without working out or anything. So if you are only intaking 1,000 calories and working out that is probably why you are tired. What do you want to do, drop weight and define your muscle? Or burn fat and bulk up?

Remember it's easier to do one thing then another. :up:

[user123456789]

nonono... right now i eat 6 meals (around 3 hours part) of 200-400 calories... usually i get 1800-2000 calories a day.

lol come on man, you've read my posts. 1,000 calories a day for me? no f-in way!

my question is, is 2 hours apart good? how does one determine how much time to wait between meals?

and right now im trying to burn fat while preserving (not gain) muscle. in mid-april, im going to start adding muscle hardcore.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

nonono... right now i eat 6 meals (around 3 hours part) of 200-400 calories... usually i get 1800-2000 calories a day.

lol come on man, you've read my posts. 1,000 calories a day for me? no f-in way!

my question is, is 2 hours apart good? how does one determine how much time to wait between meals?

and right now im trying to burn fat while preserving (not gain) muscle. in mid-april, im going to start adding muscle hardcore.

Okay here are a some misconceptions. Almost no matter what, as long are you workout, lift some weights, do some kind of resistance training of some kind, you are not going to lose muscle.

For me, eating every 2-2.5 hours if perfect. It really depends if you are hungry or not. But you sound like you are crashing so try bumping it to every 2 hours and see how you feel. You want to eat every 2-3 hours, every person is different, so find out what works best for you.

Don't worry about burning the muscle you have, you won't unless you don't do anything. And get the minimum amount of protein:up:

[user123456789]

Okay here are a some misconceptions. Almost no matter what, as long are you workout, lift some weights, do some kind of resistance training of some kind, you are not going to lose muscle.

For me, eating every 2-2.5 hours if perfect. It really depends if you are hungry or not. But you sound like you are crashing so try bumping it to every 2 hours and see how you feel. You want to eat every 2-3 hours, every person is different, so find out what works best for you.

Don't worry about burning the muscle you have, you won't unless you don't do anything. And get the minimum amount of protein:up:

yea right now i weigh 145-150, so im making sure i get at least 140g a day.
right now the only resistance training i have is calisthenics. im sure thats enough to maintain muscle mass, or at least make my body leaner.

it really varies by day. sometimes i get hungry every 2.5 hours, other days i feel like i can go 4-5 hours without eating BUT OFCOURSE I MAKE SURE TO EAT every 3.5 hours MAX. i'll try eating every 2.5 hours. man i gotta go shopping.

what do you mean by crashing? not metabolically right? just physically/emotionally?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

yea right now i weigh 145-150, so im making sure i get at least 140g a day.
right now the only resistance training i have is calisthenics. im sure thats enough to maintain muscle mass, or at least make my body leaner.

it really varies by day. sometimes i get hungry every 2.5 hours, other days i feel like i can go 4-5 hours without eating BUT OFCOURSE I MAKE SURE TO EAT every 3.5 hours MAX. i'll try eating every 2.5 hours. man i gotta go shopping.

what do you mean by crashing? not metabolically right? just physically/emotionally?

You only need .5gram of protein per lb of body weight to maintain. 1-2 if you want to bulk up.

I just mean sounds like you're getting burnt out that's all.

[user123456789]

You only need .5gram of protein per lb of body weight to maintain. 1-2 if you want to bulk up.

I just mean sounds like you're getting burnt out that's all.

nah man my body needs 1g / lb.

[user123456789]

Milk Avoidance

Milk and bodybuilding go hand and hand, right? Well there's a ton of myths out there that claim milk makes individuals add and store fat. Before I go into detail, I just want to say that whether or not you consume milk is your own personal preference and you should continue avoiding milk if you're lactose intolerant, bloat due to milk consumption, or have some other milk allergy. But if you're a bodybuilder that has none of these characteristics and you avoid milk due to the myths and speculation, listen up! The truth is, milk is great for bodybuilding purposes. Milk contains cogent anti-catabolic properties, insulinogenic properties that are ideal for the post workout period, a quality amino acid profile, and a wide array of vitamins and minerals. It's also a cheap protein source, and even makes your protein shakes taste 10 times better. Milk is so anti-catabolic/anabolic that it has outperformed whey protein in human research thus far! In conclusion, it all comes down to your personal preferences. If you bloat when drinking milk or have a milk allergy, then by all means, avoid it. But if you're simply avoiding this anti-catabolic substance because of the misinformed media and foolish speculation, then you make want to think twice about milk.

Threads regarding Milk Consumption
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...&page=52&pp=30
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ight=milk+alan

[ShadowBoxing]

Milk is great for health reasons, as dictated by that article....if you're looking to get shredded....avoid it. There is not a bodybuilder alive including Arnold and Frank Zane who would advocate Milk (even skim) for competiting bodybuilders. Most who advocate it either don't competite, have little need for diet to get shredded, or don't drink milk during competition training and just fail to inform people of this when writing the articles. Milk will create a bloated look in anyone due to the amount of lactose in it. It creates a fine layer between your fat and your skin that will make you look soft. As I say looking to be buff and not concerned about appearance, or just want to look good....then its fine. For those who want a six pack...its the devil.

[Iceman]

If you're bloating how do you know if it's due to the milk or not

[user123456789]

i joined the forums at bodybuilding.com

some great stuff there.

[ShadowBoxing]

If you're bloating how do you know if it's due to the milk or notquiet simple...stop drinking milk and cheese (no Dairy except eggs for me...and milk in my cereal, I don't drink that thou). see what happens

[Iceman]

quiet simple...stop drinking milk and cheese (no Dairy except eggs for me...and milk in my cereal, I don't drink that thou). see what happens

I drink milk in my cereal - that's about it

Could quitting that make a difference? (if I'm intolerant)

[ShadowBoxing]

I drink milk in my cereal - that's about it

Could quitting that make a difference? (if I'm intolerant)It doesn't matter if you're intolerant or not....it makes EVERYONE bloat to some extent. However I would have to know the rest of your diet and routine to make a fair judgement about what is the cause of your "bloating". Usually its more than one thing

[FooYu]

I do about 20-25 miles running a week, but this is causing a lot of stress on my ankles. Recently im struggling to do 2-3 miles as my ankles kill.
I'll take a week off and start running again, i'll be fine for a couple of days and then, damn. My ankles start hurting again almost to the point where I can;t walk, after 10mins im fine again, just very frustarting.
Well basically my question is, why am i getting all this pain in my ankles ? is it the shoes ? not warming up properly ? :/ shouldn;t be the amount i run as some people can do a lot more. Very frustrating.

[user123456789]

Fruit Avoidance

Questions regarding whether or not fruit is acceptable in a bodybuilding nutrition regimen are the most common here in the nutrition forum. It's just a myth that fruit will make one gain unwanted pounds of fat because of the high amounts of sugar it contains. What makes one gain weight is excess calories, not fruit. Simple. What many people don't know is that all fruits are calorically sparse and rich in nutrients, vitamins, and fiber. Most fruits only contain 4-7g of fructose per serving. The fructose in fruits keeps the liver in a "fed state" which conclusively keeps the individual in an anti-catabolic state. Unlike other food sources, fruits are rich in antioxidants and other phytonutrients that go a long way in aiding in recovery from brutal, grueling, intense workouts. It would take a HUGE QUANTITY of fruit to experience any negatives associated with fructose. Bottom line: eat your fruit!

Threads regarding fruit consumption:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ght=fruit+alan
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ght=fruit+alan

[ShadowBoxing]

I do about 20-25 miles running a week, but this is causing a lot of stress on my ankles. Recently im struggling to do 2-3 miles as my ankles kill.
I'll take a week off and start running again, i'll be fine for a couple of days and then, damn. My ankles start hurting again almost to the point where I can;t walk, after 10mins im fine again, just very frustarting.
Well basically my question is, why am i getting all this pain in my ankles ? is it the shoes ? not warming up properly ? :/ shouldn;t be the amount i run as some people can do a lot more. Very frustrating.Well it could be your shoes. If you were standing here maybe I could make a fairer assessment.

Here are some questions for you
1)Do you weight train your legs
2)Have you had any surgury in or around that area
3)Any prior injuries there
4)Ever had it looked at
5)What kind of shoes do you wear
6)What have you tried to correct it
7)How is your bodyfat, are you overweight or do you carry excess weight
8)When did this start
9)How long had you been running before this happened
10)Any history of joint related injuries in your family

[Iceman]

It doesn't matter if you're intolerant or not....it makes EVERYONE bloat to some extent. However I would have to know the rest of your diet and routine to make a fair judgement about what is the cause of your "bloating". Usually its more than one thing

Routine
3 weight sessions a week (each bodypart only once per week)
6 * 1hr cardio per week (may replace some of these with martial arts soon)

Diet
Not that strict but
normally only 3 meals per day

small breakfast - usually only cereal with semi-skimmed milk
lunch - varies every day
dinner - rice with curry

Plus fruit & protein shakes every now & then

[FooYu]

1) naaa i don't enjoy training my legs.
2) nope
3) nope
4) nope
5) their nike but pretty soft. (not very helpful) they dont offer much support though.
6) taken a week out, but it's very frustrating doing nothing.
7) 14% bf 145 pounds 5ft 7.
8) Since i been running longer distances, used to do about 3 miles a night, now i try and do 5 but i never get to do 5, so thats why i said i do about 20-25 miles:(.
9) been doing long distance for about a year, just started last couple of months or so.
10) Not that i know of.

[user123456789]

fooyu, train your legs man. Squats are VITAL to the muscle growth of your entire body.

[FooYu]

I used to sometimes be able to go to about 8 miles but havent done that in a while :/

[FooYu]

yeah squats, i will give them ago on monday and try and get some advice on my form.

[user123456789]

yeah squats, i will give them ago on monday and try and get some advice on my form.

im off to get some chicken from boston market...

check out www.bodybuilding.com for advice. its fantastic.

[FooYu]

im off to get some chicken from boston market...

check out www.bodybuilding.com (http://www.bodybuilding.com) for advice. its fantastic.

thanks dude:up: and thanks to Shadow Boxing too :up:

[ShadowBoxing]

Fruit Avoidance

Questions regarding whether or not fruit is acceptable in a bodybuilding nutrition regimen are the most common here in the nutrition forum. It's just a myth that fruit will make one gain unwanted pounds of fat because of the high amounts of sugar it contains. What makes one gain weight is excess calories, not fruit. Simple. What many people don't know is that all fruits are calorically sparse and rich in nutrients, vitamins, and fiber. Most fruits only contain 4-7g of fructose per serving. The fructose in fruits keeps the liver in a "fed state" which conclusively keeps the individual in an anti-catabolic state. Unlike other food sources, fruits are rich in antioxidants and other phytonutrients that go a long way in aiding in recovery from brutal, grueling, intense workouts. It would take a HUGE QUANTITY of fruit to experience any negatives associated with fructose. Bottom line: eat your fruit!

Threads regarding fruit consumption:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ght=fruit+alan
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ght=fruit+alan

Unfair assessment again. Bodybuilding is about appearance. Endomorphs who eat fruit are gonna be in for a world of hurt when they step on stage. Whereas a hardgaining ectomorph like myself needs to consume at least two pieces a day to keep my energy levels and simple carb intact up. Fruit, Carb, Protien consumption in bodybuilding is all relative to the person. True almost everybody bloats a bit from milk, almost everybody cannot eat junk, almost everybody needs to stick to a 40-40-20 (thereabouts...and really thats daily). However the guy who runs our competitions locally cannot eat fruit period or he will collect around the midsection like nobodies business. In fact he is almost a straight carnivore. I personally would have to be batf*** crazy to do that, however I am different genetically from him and in no way I can I apply what I do to him. He is a genetic anomoly (but then again aren't we all). People who attempt to write these broadsweeping articles about how this training program worked for me and it will work for you ought to be shot by the bodybuilding and fitness community. Not a single person out there will EVER find a one size fits all program and diet, especially not for bodybuilding. The main problem with fitness pros today is they have a ton of book knowledge, books which tend to advocate one viewpoint on training....and unfortunately usually the wrong one.

I think the problem really stems back to the fact that most people have a viewpoint in western culture that we are all equal. So how can one guy eat junk and get shredded like Arnold on steroids and some other guy can take every supplement available and still look no bigger than Brad Pitt in "Thelma and Louise". Because that skinny guy probably never bothered to figure out that his body just might not train like Schwarzenegger-a-like over there. Because to him there both equal and hard work is all that matters right? Well not really, but yes it does. The hard work is figuring out, nay communing with your body to figure out what it needs and responds to. Trial and error is hard, the training that works may in fact be a breeze. But once you find a diet that works, no matter what seemingly general rule it violates, stick to it. Even if you're know-it-all fitness professor says "You gotta to eat fruit". No you don't, not if that hurts you or your ability to compete.

[ShadowBoxing]

1) naaa i don't enjoy training my legs.
2) nope
3) nope
4) nope
5) their nike but pretty soft. (not very helpful) they dont offer much support though.
6) taken a week out, but it's very frustrating doing nothing.
7) 14% bf 145 pounds 5ft 7.
8) Since i been running longer distances, used to do about 3 miles a night, now i try and do 5 but i never get to do 5, so thats why i said i do about 20-25 miles:(.
9) been doing long distance for about a year, just started last couple of months or so.
10) Not that i know of.train your legs with weight. It creates bone density. I'd still get it looked at by a doctor or fitness medicine professional....however from what you've given me thats what it sounds like. However since its hurting now, go see the doctor before you start training with weights

But this means you HAVE TO DO Squats and Leg Press

[ShadowBoxing]

Remember how I told everyone not to make generalizations just a post ago

Here is a generalization (always exceptions to the rules I guess :D)

If you want to make strides in anything (leg or weight lifting related) YOU HAVE TO DO SQUATS--with weight--yes that means heavy sets--at least every once in a while--some can get away with just doing light or no weight squats to failure

[user123456789]

http://www.weighttrainersunited.com/getinshape.html

[ShadowBoxing]

http://www.weighttrainersunited.com/getinshape.htmlThat has to be the worst looking guy they could find for that photo shoot

[Batty for Bats!]

That has to be the worst looking guy they could find for that photo shoot Lol, i thought it was pretty cool, "The average fat-ass Joe can get into shape, so can you."

[Iceman]

Lol, i thought it was pretty cool, "The average fat-ass Joe can get into shape, so can you."

Except this fat-ass Joe was no way in shape

[user123456789]

Except this fat-ass Joe was no way in shape

u kiddin? he had great form, and did ALL those exercises..

[Iceman]

u kiddin? he had great form, and did ALL those exercises..

Maybe it's his face - it just makes him look like he's not in shape

[user123456789]

Maybe it's his face - it just makes him look like he's not in shape

i'll give u that one. he's a fat mofo.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Unfair assessment again. Bodybuilding is about appearance. Endomorphs who eat fruit are gonna be in for a world of hurt when they step on stage. Whereas a hardgaining ectomorph like myself needs to consume at least two pieces a day to keep my energy levels and simple carb intact up. Fruit, Carb, Protien consumption in bodybuilding is all relative to the person. True almost everybody bloats a bit from milk, almost everybody cannot eat junk, almost everybody needs to stick to a 40-40-20 (thereabouts...and really thats daily). However the guy who runs our competitions locally cannot eat fruit period or he will collect around the midsection like nobodies business. In fact he is almost a straight carnivore. I personally would have to be batf*** crazy to do that, however I am different genetically from him and in no way I can I apply what I do to him. He is a genetic anomoly (but then again aren't we all). People who attempt to write these broadsweeping articles about how this training program worked for me and it will work for you ought to be shot by the bodybuilding and fitness community. Not a single person out there will EVER find a one size fits all program and diet, especially not for bodybuilding. The main problem with fitness pros today is they have a ton of book knowledge, books which tend to advocate one viewpoint on training....and unfortunately usually the wrong one.

I think the problem really stems back to the fact that most people have a viewpoint in western culture that we are all equal. So how can one guy eat junk and get shredded like Arnold on steroids and some other guy can take every supplement available and still look no bigger than Brad Pitt in "Thelma and Louise". Because that skinny guy probably never bothered to figure out that his body just might not train like Schwarzenegger-a-like over there. Because to him there both equal and hard work is all that matters right? Well not really, but yes it does. The hard work is figuring out, nay communing with your body to figure out what it needs and responds to. Trial and error is hard, the training that works may in fact be a breeze. But once you find a diet that works, no matter what seemingly general rule it violates, stick to it. Even if you're know-it-all fitness professor says "You gotta to eat fruit". No you don't, not if that hurts you or your ability to compete.

I agree with what you're saying SB, but like you make it sound, it is a double edge sword, which it is. You might hurt yourself phsycially if you eat fruit, but from a nurtional stand point people should consume at least 2 servings a day. More for health reasons than looks.

[ShadowBoxing]

I agree with what you're saying SB, but like you make it sound, it is a double edge sword, which it is. You might hurt yourself phsycially if you eat fruit, but from a nurtional stand point people should consume at least 2 servings a day. More for health reasons than looks.again depends on your goals and genetics

[ShadowBoxing]

u kiddin? he had great form, and did ALL those exercises..Little secret....one arm pushups are not that hard....its kind of a balance thing. Think of it like learning to juggle, just takes practice, not necessarily a ton of strength

[Bat Attack]

I doubt boyscout will read that since he requested to be banned.

[jaguarr]

Little secret....one arm pushups are not that hard....its kind of a balance thing. Think of it like learning to juggle, just takes practice, not necessarily a ton of strength

True, but those and one-armed pullups are a great way to EFF up your rotator cuffs if you're not careful. They're a vanity thing, not something that contributes to overall development of a physique, so I don't do either of those even though I know I can. I'd rather avoid risk such as that so that I can stay healthy and keep training and getting bigger and better. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

again depends on your goals and genetics

Like I said, I agree with you but from a healthy stand point, I think people should eat fruit. Yes they can easily supplement the vitamins and nutrients they receive from fruit but you know as well as I that consuming vitamins and minerals through food is better then a pill.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Little secret....one arm pushups are not that hard....its kind of a balance thing. Think of it like learning to juggle, just takes practice, not necessarily a ton of strength

Dude, you are truly tripping. When I could do 20 pullups consecutively I still couldn't manage a one arm pull up. Unless you are talking about holding onto the wrist you pull yourself up with your freehand. If you are talking about doing a one arm pull up with the other free arm just hanging. That is hard as hell.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

True, but those and one-armed pullups are a great way to EFF up your rotator cuffs if you're not careful. They're a vanity thing, not something that contributes to overall development of a physique, so I don't do either of those even though I know I can. I'd rather avoid risk such as that so that I can stay healthy and keep training and getting bigger and better. :up:

jag

So is lifting weights :up: :D

[jaguarr]

So is lifting weights :up: :D

Not if you're lifting for general health and functional strength as opposed to just wanting to look "ripped". :)

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Dude, you are truly tripping. When I could do 20 pullups consecutively I still couldn't manage a one arm pull up. Unless you are talking about holding onto the wrist you pull yourself up with your freehand. If you are talking about doing a one arm pull up with the other free arm just hanging. That is hard as hell....and cuetips are horrible if you jam they into your ear as they say. Certain people can do one-arm pullups...actually its a leverage thing. Short People I know have no problem with them, even though they cannot do twenty consecutive Pullups (I can do close to that depending on grip). But doing them won't eff-up your rotator cup anymore than squats eff-up your knees. People who are doing squats or one-armers incorrectly eff-up their knees and shoulders. The trick is to teach yourself proper form and work up slowing to these things.

[jaguarr]

Alright, I'll bite; what's the point of doing one-armed pullups? They certainly don't promote symmetry or even really any strength development advantage over say doing weighted pullups with a Grizzly Belt and some added weight. And, they do present more of a risk for injury than most other lifts (let's face it, weight training is a bit risky in general), particularly in the rotator cuff area, no matter how good your form is, so I disagree with your assessment. Besides, squats are one of those core, compound lifts that provide many benefits in terms of muscle growth and strength development that are worth putting effort into to learn how to do properly and keep your weight within manageable limits. One-armed pullups don't fall into that category and they do put more stress than ordinary on the rotator cuff. I fail to see the point of doing them.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Not if you're lifting for general health and functional strength as opposed to just wanting to look "ripped". :)

jag

You can run and be in great health and never lift a weight. It's a vanity thing.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

...and cuetips are horrible if you jam they into your ear as they say. Certain people can do one-arm pullups...actually its a leverage thing. Short People I know have no problem with them, even though they cannot do twenty consecutive Pullups (I can do close to that depending on grip). But doing them won't eff-up your rotator cup anymore than squats eff-up your knees. People who are doing squats or one-armers incorrectly eff-up their knees and shoulders. The trick is to teach yourself proper form and work up slowing to these things.

Actually it's a strength thing. Balance may play a part, but leverage, what leverage? It's not like you have a metal pipe and are trying to coax a 400lbs rock out of a jam. You are just hanging from one hand. Now, as I said, if you are performing a one armed pull up while your free hand is grabbing the wrist of the hand that is pulling you up, no they are not as hard as they seem. Not to say they are not hard, because they still are.

But try doing one with only one hand and the free hand hanging, or across your body, not assisting the other hand in any other way. Now that is hard and requires strength. Period. I don't see how you can say it is more of a leverage thing. Hell Pull ups alone are a strength thing, period.

[Iceman]

You can run and be in great health and never lift a weight. It's a vanity thing.

Disagree - I've always been advised by physio's, docs etc that some form of resistance exercise is a must for bone density.

Even elderly women should be doing weights. Osteoporosis / arthritis in old age is linked very strongly with this.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Disagree - I've always been advised by physio's, docs etc that some form of resistance exercise is a must for bone density.

Even elderly women should be doing weights. Osteoporosis / arthritis in old age is linked very strongly with this.

Good points, and I agree but do you really think that the majority of people lifting weights are doing it for bone density.

I am not saying that weight lifting or resistence training is not a healthful thing, otherwise why would I be doing it. But I would say a good portion of people (if not most) do it for vanity reasons.

[LadyVader]

I'm kind of worried about a friend of mine. She's been on this diet, which is actually chocolate, coffee and pepsi. She gets hungry, she eats chocolate. That's it. Chocolate and only chococlate She says she lost 6 kg in one month that way (is that what? 12 or 24 pounds, you bloody americans... why can't you use the metric system like the rest of the world!) and that she's feeling fine, but seriously... what are the real effects that this so called diet could have on her body in the long term?
I'm aware that people have different metabolisms... maybe this works for her but aren't we supposed to have you know... protein, fats, minerals, all that stuff everyday? Isn't that the norm?

[jaguarr]

Good points, and I agree but do you really think that the majority of people lifting weights are doing it for bone density.

I am not saying that weight lifting or resistence training is not a healthful thing, otherwise why would I be doing it. But I would say a good portion of people (if not most) do it for vanity reasons.

I'll also add to what Iceman/Psylocke wrote in that there are a lot of people who do lift for medical reasons on their doctor's advice to address things like diabetes, obesity, hormonal imbalances (particularly where testosterone and cortisol are concerned), for rehabbing injuries with the help of a physical therapist and for keeping their immune system boosted (such as people with auto-immune system diseases). And, some folks lift because they have learned that even light weight training can help eliminate fat which is better for the heart and it's workload. And, some people do it because it helps them with their depression and gives them energy that they wouldn't have otherwise that enables them to live a fuller life. When you start to get older, other reasons besides just wanting to look good start to come along for doing healthy things.

What you are attempting to apply a blanket statement to is really the "sport" of bodybuilding, not weight training. Bodybuilders primarily do what they do out of vanity, though I know more than a few of them who do it because they want to have absolute control over their own bodies and affect it their physical composition in any way they choose to moreso than they give a crap what other people think of them. There's no one size fits all reason why people do weight training of any kind. Vanity is simply one of them.

jag

[Iceman]

Good points, and I agree but do you really think that the majority of people lifting weights are doing it for bone density.

I am not saying that weight lifting or resistence training is not a healthful thing, otherwise why would I be doing it. But I would say a good portion of people (if not most) do it for vanity reasons.

Actually I would agree with the above

Some guys do cardio for health & fitness rather than vanity

But 80-90% of young guys who do weights don't only do it for health reasons

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Actually I would agree with the above

Some guys do cardio for health & fitness rather than vanity

But 80-90% of young guys who do weights don't only do it for health reasons

I'll agree with that.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm kind of worried about a friend of mine. She's been on this diet, which is actually chocolate, coffee and pepsi. She gets hungry, she eats chocolate. That's it. Chocolate and only chococlate She says she lost 6 kg in one month that way (is that what? 12 or 24 pounds, you bloody americans... why can't you use the metric system like the rest of the world!) and that she's feeling fine, but seriously... what are the real effects that this so called diet could have on her body in the long term?
I'm aware that people have different metabolisms... maybe this works for her but aren't we supposed to have you know... protein, fats, minerals, all that stuff everyday? Isn't that the norm?

Yes, everyone is supossed to get the daily minimum for vitamins, minerals and other vital food sources your body needs. Now while this may be working for your friend in the short term, the long term affects can not and will not be good for her. (Duh why do you think we americans use the standard system instead of the metric, we like to make things as hard as possible on everyone and ourselves! :D )


Some immediate effects I can think of would be, she will begin to tire easier/have less energy, her skin may become dried out, her immune system will take a hit, among many other things. Eventually she will start to gain weight or I should say fat.

[Iceman]

I'm kind of worried about a friend of mine. She's been on this diet, which is actually chocolate, coffee and pepsi. She gets hungry, she eats chocolate. That's it. Chocolate and only chococlate She says she lost 6 kg in one month that way (is that what? 12 or 24 pounds, you bloody americans... why can't you use the metric system like the rest of the world!) and that she's feeling fine, but seriously... what are the real effects that this so called diet could have on her body in the long term?
I'm aware that people have different metabolisms... maybe this works for her but aren't we supposed to have you know... protein, fats, minerals, all that stuff everyday? Isn't that the norm?

That is not a diet at all - All she is getting is sugar & caffeine

To be honest I don't think you can survive very long on that - never mind be healthy

[jaguarr]

That is not a diet at all - All she is getting is sugar & caffeine

To be honest I don't think you can survive very long on that - never mind be healthy

I'd also add that anyone adhering to a diet such as that is potentially setting themselves up for health problems either in the near future or down the line someday.

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

http://www.artybees.co.nz/gallery/idle-idolatry/richard-simmons.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

http://www.artybees.co.nz/gallery/idle-idolatry/richard-simmons.jpgThank you....your input is always.....helpful:confused:

[Equint77]

I remember back in HS when we all played basketball.. we all worked on our cavs by lifting our feet off the stairs... some of my friends spent whole afternoons doing that and they jumped like a bunch of god damn pogo sticks. :(

god damn show offs. :(

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I remember back in HS when we all played basketball.. we all worked on our cavs by lifting our feet off the stairs... some of my friends spent whole afternoons doing that and they jumped like a bunch of god damn pogo sticks. :(

god damn show offs. :(

Depending on what type of jump you are performing, the majority of muscles used is in fact your quads. Calves aid to but I believe the quads provide something like 60% of jumping power. Again depending on the type of jump.

[Gamma Ray]

QUESTION: How do I get rid of the fat on my fingers? I want a lower ring size.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

QUESTION: How do I get rid of the fat on my fingers? I want a lower ring size.

Umm, well that will pretty much have to come after you have dropped a significant amount of weight. 10-30+ pounds, depending on how much you need to lose. If you are at a good/healthy weight, and you still have a large ring size it may just be the shape of your hands and there is not much you can do about it.

Do you need to lose weight? What size ring do you wear? What size would you like to wear?

[Gamma Ray]

I weight 500 pounds and am 4' 1". That's healthy, right?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I weight 500 pounds and am 4' 1". That's healthy, right?

Just kidding. I'm 5' 11" and 160 pounds. :(

Totally healthy. Well 5'11" and 160 is not very big. I mean unless you don't get any kind of exercise, I don't see what the big deal is with your ring size. I mean your hands can't be that big. What do you wear a size 8 ring? It might just be your hands, some people have slim slender long hands, others have short stubby muscular hands.

[Gamma Ray]

I forgot to ask: Do those devices that send electrical pulses to your muscles really work?

[Iceman]

I forgot to ask: Do those devices that send electrical pulses to your muscles really work?

Yeh - but it's boring as Hell

[Iceman]

QUESTION: How do I get rid of the fat on my fingers? I want a lower ring size.

Liposuction

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I forgot to ask: Do those devices that send electrical pulses to your muscles really work?

Yeah like Iceman/Psylocke said, but it's not like it's anything you can't do on your own, plus they do not get rid of fat. Just help strengthen your muscle.

[Iceman]

Yeah like Iceman/Psylocke said, but it's not like it's anything you can't do on your own, plus they do not get rid of fat. Just help strengthen your muscle.

Personally I would avoid them like the plague

[Gamma Ray]

Why?

[Iceman]

Why?

ok maybe it's not quite as bad as the plague

I've tried using it before. It definitely works in tensing & untensing your muscles & is a novelty at first. It's probably worth using if you're putting it on a light enough setting so that you're not noticing it & can get on with doing something else. Although this is not helpful if you actually want it to simulate something strenuous like weight training. It would be useful for toning small muscle groups like your abs etcs.

Otherwise, the time it takes to set up and pack up & the unnatural discomfort experienced while using it are prohibitive. If you're unlucky you can also get skin problems.

But I'm talking from my own experience & it doesn't mean someone else won't benefit from using it. I just personally find it plain boring compared to conventional exercise.

[jaguarr]

ok maybe it's not quite as bad as the plague

I've tried using it before. It definitely works in tensing & untensing your muscles & is a novelty at first. It's probably worth using if you're putting it on a light enough setting so that you're not noticing it & can get on with doing something else. Although this is not helpful if you actually want it to simulate something strenuous like weight training. It would be useful for toning small muscle groups like your abs etcs.

Otherwise, the time it takes to set up and pack up & the unnatural discomfort experienced while using it are prohibitive. If you're unlucky you can also get skin problems.

But I'm talking from my own experience & it doesn't mean someone else won't benefit from using it. I just personally find it plain boring compared to conventional exercise.

The other downside of those units is, if you are already working those muscle groups with lifting and then using the electrical pulses to cause muscle twitch, you're not really giving your muscles proper time to recover. Muscle growth does not happen during strenuous or even light working of the muscles. It happens during rest and recovery when the muscle repairs itself and that takes proper sleep, nutrition and downtime.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Why?

Unless you become a fitness expert just avoid them. They can be benificial but unless you really know how to use them and what to use them for, they're not worth it. You can get a better work out from using a swiss/balance ball and doing some crunches on it than hooking up electrodes to your abs and having them stimulated. :up:

Not to mention the fact that there is little need or involvment with mind/muscle growth while actually working or using the targeted muscle groups.

[Gamma Ray]

Thanks for the information. I won't bother now. Nothing is easy in life. :(

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Thanks for the information. I won't bother now. Nothing is easy in life. :(

Nope, not even getting STDs, everything takes work. :up:

[Gamma Ray]

I feel really hungry after a workout. What should I eat?

[Iceman]

I feel really hungry after a workout. What should I eat?

Something with protein & carbs

Protein shakes are ideal after a workout

[Gamma Ray]

Something with protein & carbs

Protein shakes are ideal after a workout


I don't like shakes. What else?

[Iceman]

I don't like shakes. What else?

Chicken & Rice
Tuna & Pasta
etc

Any protein & carb combo to give you the ingredients for muscle repair & restore your energy levels

[Gamma Ray]

I don't want to eat a whole meal after exercise. I just want something fast and convenient.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I don't want to eat a whole meal after exercise. I just want something fast and convenient.

Well you're being difficult! :mad: :down

Gatorade and yogurt.

[Gamma Ray]

Why would I drink Gatorade? It's full of artificial s**t. And yogurt is full of fat. What's the point of working out if you're just going to regain the calories you burned immediately after?

[ShadowBoxing]

I feel really hungry after a workout. What should I eat?protien shake with a piece of fruit almost immediately

[krpton2]

where can I get protein shakes?

[ShadowBoxing]

where can I get protein shakes?Fitness and Suppliment stores (like GNC...but I would find a local owned business, they are cheaper), Cosco has em, some gyms have nutrician centers as well

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Why would I drink Gatorade? It's full of artificial s**t. And yogurt is full of fat. What's the point of working out if you're just going to regain the calories you burned immediately after?

:rolleyes:

Low fat yogurt, good source of protien as well as carbs and other nutrients and low fat dairy in small amounts (6 oz of yogurt) has been shown to lower waist line sizes.

Gatorade is beneficial, if you don't down a 32 or 64 oz size. It replenishes a lot of what you lose.

[ookami]

Ok, I know it's cliche but

Just had a baby want to work out but I'm limited because of my back. The anesthesiologist kinda frakked up my spine pretty bad, what can you suggested that's low impact but will work.

BTW, I'm very impatient when it comes to excercise. And what kind of diet would you suggest don't mind veggies, but what about meat and side dishes?

[Hades]

It's funny, i've actually tried to gain some pounds and i ended up losing 10 pounds.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ok, I know it's cliche but

Just had a baby want to work out but I'm limited because of my back. The anesthesiologist kinda frakked up my spine pretty bad, what can you suggested that's low impact but will work.

BTW, I'm very impatient when it comes to excercise. And what kind of diet would you suggest don't mind veggies, but what about meat and side dishes?

Well first you are not going to like hearing this, but those are all bad. Your back is essential to nearly all if not all exercise activities. And being impatient, well if you want to lose weight, really isn't the mind set you want. It takes patience, lots of it and determination.

Several pages back I posted sort of a guide for those wanting to start working out and exercising, so you can see what to do.

For your back, if you have acess to a gym with a pool or a pool I would suggest aquatic exercises. Very low if not non impact and will help strengthen your muscles. Machines like an elipitcal are great for very low impact cardio. Diet, no fast food, veggies, fruits, lean steak, chicken, salmon, tuna, all grilled, no skin. Lots of water, low fat dairy in small amounts 6oz or less. Nuts like almonds are great (unsalted).

Small portions, eat 5-6 times a day 2-3 hours apart. Subscribe to a magazine like Shape (for women) or Women's Health. Both great with lots and lots of info.

You might want to get a swiss/balance ball as well. That way you can work on strengthening your core (abs) and it will help with your back problems.

First though if your back is that messed up, go see a Dr. and see what they have to say about exercise. I highly highly reccommend doing that first before anything else.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It's funny, i've actually tried to gain some pounds and i ended up losing 10 pounds.

You may have lost fat but gained muscle.

[krpton2]

How much protein do you people recommend after exercise?

[Gamma Ray]

Is injecting chick fat into my stomach healthy?

[Iceman]

How much protein do you people recommend after exercise?

20-30g

You don't want to go over 40g as it won't provide any benefit and can be detrimental to your long term health.

[Iceman]

Is injecting chick fat into my stomach healthy?

Maybe if you are on the brink of starvation

[jaguarr]

20-30g

You don't want to go over 40g as it won't provide any benefit and can be detrimental to your long term health.

That's an old wive's tale. There's no truth in that at all. The only thing you risk is kidney problems if you underhyrdrate when you have a high protein intake. Most pro's take in anywhere from 70-120 grams of protein in one sitting, particularly before and after workouts. If you're trying to add muscle, 60 grams at a time for the average lifter, before and immediately after a workout can work wonders. Just be sure you're drinking your gallon or more of water per day when your intake is that high.

jag

[krpton2]

I intake 15g of protein along with breast chicken.

[jaguarr]

I intake 15g of protein along with breast chicken.

After a workout, your muscles have dumped all their glycogens and are on the verge of catabolic because they're in need of nutrition. That's why whey shakes, which are very fast absorbing, are a perfect fit for PWO because they absorb quickly and get into your muscle fibers. A lot of people add a simple sugar like some maltodextrose or even some Gatorade to their shakes to make that absorption happen even faster. The chicken breast is good maybe 30-45 minutes after your workout, along with a complex carb (brown rice, yams, etc.) to keep the nutrients flowing to the muscles after that initial PWO shake.

jag

[krpton2]

How about beans?

[jaguarr]

How about beans?

Also good for that meal after your workout. Immediately after your workout, though (like, within 10-15 minutes afterwards), whey shakes are king.

jag

[krpton2]

What are the best protein shakes and where can i get them?

[jaguarr]

What are the best protein shakes and where can i get them?

I've tried quite a few and keep coming back to Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey Gold. It's very reasonably priced, contains a good Amino profile and also has some digestive enzymes to help keep the gas and stomach problems that can come from heavy protein ingestion down. I've also had good success with Isopure which is a whey isolate (the chocolate flavor tastes just like chocolate milk), but it's pretty spendy. I order all my supplementation through the bodybuilding.com store as their prices are always the best or close to it and they have awesome service and shipping.

jag

[krpton2]

So proteins help increase muscle mass right? What is the difference between steriods and proteins.

[jaguarr]

So proteins help increase muscle mass right? What is the difference between steriods and proteins.

Your muscles are comprised of proteins, so it makes sense that you need more protein to build more muscle, right? Increasing your protein intake (1-2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight) is necessary for giving your muscles the food they need in order to rebuild themselves bigger and stronger after you break them down through heavy exertion.

The intentions of steroids are to generate a hormonal response, either through natural testosterone or synthetic variants and precursors of it, in order to boost the overall muscle building potential for a person beyond what they could obtain naturally. Note: Steroids do NOT equal instant muscles. There is still a need to work out just as hard, if not HARDER, than you were before and make sure your diet is spot on. Steroids run many risks, including EFF'ing up your endocrine system and natural testosterone production even with a good Post Cycle Treatment (PCT) plan to try and restimulate your natural test production levels (your natural test production stops when you start putting additional testosterone into or onto your body). Steroids, IMHO, are not a short cut. They're for pro's who have taken their body to the maximum potential through proper diet and training over the course of YEARS and have no interest in staying "natural" for competition. They are NOT for the average lifter or bodybuilder who hasn't take things to the max with their diet and lifting first, nor are they for people who don't do the homework to understand the risks involved and how to minimize them. Unfortunately, too many people do just that and wind up with issues afterwards.

Steroids and protein are at the opposite ends of the scale and not really related in terms of the role they play in muscle growth.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Your muscles are comprised of proteins, so it makes sense that you need more protein to build more muscle, right? Increasing your protein intake (1-2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight) is necessary for giving your muscles the food they need in order to rebuild themselves bigger and stronger after you break them down through heavy exertion.

The intentions of steroids are to generate a hormonal response, either through natural testosterone or synthetic variants and precursors of it, in order to boost the overall muscle building potential for a person beyond what they could obtain naturally. Note: Steroids do NOT equal instant muscles. There is still a need to work out just as hard, if not HARDER, than you were before and make sure your diet is spot on. Steroids run many risks, including EFF'ing up your endocrine system and natural testosterone production even with a good Post Cycle Treatment (PCT) plan to try and restimulate your natural test production levels (your natural test production stops when you start putting additional testosterone into or onto your body). Steroids, IMHO, are not a short cut. They're for pro's who have taken their body to the maximum potential through proper diet and training over the course of YEARS and have no interest in staying "natural" for competition. They are NOT for the average lifter or bodybuilder who hasn't take things to the max with their diet and lifting first, nor are they for people who don't do the homework to understand the risks involved and how to minimize them. Unfortunately, too many people do just that and wind up with issues afterwards.

Steroids and protein are at the opposite ends of the scale and not really related in terms of the role they play in muscle growth.

jag

Yeah pretty much what Jag said. :up:

Steroids work through increasing your testosterone levels (for the most part ). Protien simply helps with the rebuilding of muscle like Jag said :up:

[krpton2]

Good post Jaguarr.

[ShadowBoxing]

bumpity

[patrickbateman]

Does anyone of those tele brand stuff ever work be it the ab crunch or some other exercise machine

[ShadowBoxing]

Does anyone of those tele brand stuff ever work be it the ab crunch or some other exercise machineI am not familiar, what is this tele brand stuff.

[rigel7soldiers]

I guess the stuff advertized on television?

[ShadowBoxing]

I guess the stuff advertized on television?Some of it works, most of it doesn't. Bowflex is really the only machine worth buying off TV....so actually one thing works, Bowflex...and of course fitness aerobics tapes, but you can just join a gym and take those.

[user123456789]

Whats good SB long time no talk.

Nice to see the fitness thread alive and kickin.

[ShadowBoxing]

Whats good SB long time no talk.

Nice to see the fitness thread alive and kickin.Yes, I am well...I thought you were self banned or something.

[user123456789]

I've tried quite a few and keep coming back to Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey Gold. It's very reasonably priced, contains a good Amino profile and also has some digestive enzymes to help keep the gas and stomach problems that can come from heavy protein ingestion down. I've also had good success with Isopure which is a whey isolate (the chocolate flavor tastes just like chocolate milk), but it's pretty spendy. I order all my supplementation through the bodybuilding.com store as their prices are always the best or close to it and they have awesome service and shipping.

jag

+1 for ON 100% Gold Standard.

Cookies and Cream is orgasmic.

[user123456789]

Yes, I am well...I thought you were self banned or something.

Got self unbanned lol.

[Iceman]

Does anyone of those tele brand stuff ever work be it the ab crunch or some other exercise machine

Everything works but only in the same way as going down the gym or going for a jog works. They are just different ways to motivate yourself to do different types of exercise. I think a lot of the 'tele brand stuff' is good for novelty value and ends up in a cupboard after 6 weeks. I've got two identical ab crunchers (don't ask me why), two complete sets of manual weights (one in the garage), a double bar that you push together to work your chest, two hand grips to work your forearms, a punchbag that never got put up, a stepping machine, a treadmill and a cross trainer. There could be more but I can't recall everything in one go.


How much do I use this ****? Hardly ever. :( 99.99% of my exercise is in regular sports, in the gym or martial arts.

[user123456789]

The Bowflex rocks (cable exercises pwn), but it sucks that you can't squat. (and deadlift.. not sure?)

[ShadowBoxing]

Got self unbanned lol.cool glad you're back:up:

[ShadowBoxing]

The Bowflex rocks (cable exercises pwn), but it sucks that you can't squat. (and deadlift.. not sure?)They added a Squat attachment recently...there is another machine like the Bowflex that electronically selects your weight...it looked pretty good.

[user123456789]

They added a Squat attachment recently...there is another machine like the Bowflex that electronically selects your weight...it looked pretty good.
:up:
cool glad you're back:up:
:up:

[Abaddon]

what kind of diet do you recommend for bulking up?

[user123456789]

what kind of diet do you recommend for bulking up?

Obviously a clean bulk would be recommended, with a slight caloric surplus.

1-1.5g of protein / lb of bodyweight, at least that of carbs, and a good amount of healthy fat (20%+ sounds good).

[ShadowBoxing]

what kind of diet do you recommend for bulking up?Stick to a 40-40-20 (40% protien 40% whole wheat carbs (good carbs) 20% polyunsaturated fat (good fat)) for 6 meals a day. Make sure to get 2 servings of fruit daily. Don't overtrain. To get specific numbers for how much protien/carbs/good fat (in grams) a meal consult a personal trainer or nutricionist who can accurately get a feel for your height/weight/somatype and metabolism.

[user123456789]

Stick to a 40-40-20 (40% protien 40% whole wheat carbs (good carbs) 20% polyunsaturated fat (good fat)) for 6 meals a day. Make sure to get 2 servings of fruit daily. Don't overtrain. To get specific numbers for how much protien/carbs/good fat (in grams) a meal consult a personal trainer or nutricionist who can accurately get a feel for your height/weight/somatype and metabolism.

What he said... and don't forget the monounsaturated fats. Basically stay away from saturated & trans fatty acids.

[ShadowBoxing]

What he said... and don't forget the monounsaturated fats. Basically stay away from saturated & trans fatty acids.They are good, polyunsaturated the best...basically what he just said though...any unsaturated fat will do

[Gamma Ray]

Trans fats are the lipids of the devil. Actually, they are man-made, sadly enough.

[user123456789]

Trans fats are the lipids of the devil. Actually, they are man-made, sadly enough.
lol

cool avvy man

Another thing to be weary about is the "ZERO TRANS FAT!!! YEA!!" type labels. It can be deceiving. The FDA allows food companies to say its 0 [insert health slogan here, ie. sugar, trans fat, etc] if it's below a certain amount of cals per serving. I believe its 4cals.

[ShadowBoxing]

Trans fats are the lipids of the devil. Actually, they are man-made, sadly enough.No you were right the first time, they are in fact made by the Devil...ever since God stopped existing he had to find a new way to cause mischeif.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Does anyone of those tele brand stuff ever work be it the ab crunch or some other exercise machine

They all suck! Don't waste your money. :down

[Colossal Spoons]

I had an AbSlide. It was hell on my back. :down:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Just ear all natural foods, especially your meat, chicken, milk and eggs. Make sure everything is 100% natural not free range.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

They all suck! Don't waste your money. :down

I am correcting myself, not all of them suck, but most do. Especially the ab ones. :down

Bowflex, ab roller and a few others are okay to good :up: But nothing you can't get from home or at a park or gym.

[Colossal Spoons]

Question: Does anybody here combine muscles while lifting. You might lift only 3 days a week but do 2-3 muscles each day? I'm currently isolating muscles and lifting 5-6 days a week but I wanna know a few pros/cons about combining muscles.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Question: Does anybody here combine muscles while lifting. You might lift only 3 days a week but do 2-3 muscles each day? I'm currently isolating muscles and lifting 5-6 days a week but I wanna know a few pros/cons about combining muscles.

I lift 5-6 days a week and hit 3-4 muscle groups, depending on what I am working out each day. I am on a 4 day rotation. So day 1 comes back into my routine on day 5, then day 2 on day 6. If you could be more specific with your question I could help you out a little more.

Usually you want to avoid over training muscles, meaning giving them at least a full 24 hours to rest but most would say at least 48 hours. Others only like to workout each muscle group once a week.

You need to give your muscle time to heal after breaking down your muscle tissue by working it out.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok, right now I'm doing:

M- Arms
T-Shoulders
W-Legs + Abs
R-Chest
F-Back

I was thinking about doing:

M-Legs/Shoulders
T-Chest/Forarms/Abs
W-Back/Arms
R-Legs/Shoulders
F-Chest/Forarms/Abs
S-Back/Arms

I'd be repeating the routine 2x a week and hopefully give my muscles enough time to heal.(48 hours)

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ok, right now I'm doing:

M- Arms
T-Shoulders
W-Legs + Abs
R-Chest
F-Back

I was thinking about doing:

M-Legs/Shoulders
T-Chest/Forarms/Abs
W-Back/Arms
R-Legs/Shoulders
F-Chest/Forarms/Abs
S-Back/Arms

I'd be repeating the routine 2x a week and hopefully give my muscles enough time to heal.(48 hours)

You usally want to group opposite muscles as well, this helps keep them more balanced and results in less injury.

Biceps-Triceps
Chest-Upper back
Abs-Lowerback
Quads-Hamstrings

[Colossal Spoons]

But working the same muscle group 2x a week should give me a sufficient amount of rest though, right?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

But working the same muscle group 2x a week should give me a sufficient amount of rest though, right?

Yes as long as you give yourself a good 24 hours but 48 hours is best.

[Colossal Spoons]

Awesome, I hope the combination routine yields better results than muscle isolation. I'm not complaining, just trying something different.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Awesome, I hope the combination routine yields better results than muscle isolation. I'm not complaining, just trying something different.

Not sure if it will yeild better results, but it should help reduce your chance of injury. :up:

[user123456789]

Awesome, I hope the combination routine yields better results than muscle isolation. I'm not complaining, just trying something different.

I went from a:

legs
chest
shoulders
back
arms
cardio/rest
rest

to

legs/shoulders
chest/tris
back/bis
rest
leg/shoulders
chest/tris
back/bis

so far it's going great.

PS: I fit in abs whenever I have time, in both splits.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Sounds good. I can't see any downside to working a muscle group 2x in one week. Granted, I won't be doing as many different exercises as I did in the isolation routine.

[jaguarr]

^Sounds good. I can't see any downside to working a muscle group 2x in one week. Granted, I won't be doing as many different exercises as I did in the isolation routine.

The potential downsides could be overtraining and a taxed Central Nervous System if you aren't getting enough rest, food and sleep to support lifting that frequently. Growth happens outside the gym when you are resting and feeding, so if you don't have the time or dedication/discipline to sleep, eat and rest at a level that will support more frequent workouts you'll end up limiting your potential growth over the longer term. In short, it will be counterproductive in comparison with less frequent workouts and sufficient, quality rest and nutrition. Sometimes more isn't better, better is better.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Uh huh, I'll also take that into consideration. :up: Aside from the muscle growth benefits, I could stand to get some more sleep anyway. Food, I got covered.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Uh huh, I'll also take that into consideration. :up:

Really a lot of it is science but also different things work for different people and don't forget your body adapts. So working out one body part a week may work fine for a few months, but then you may need to switch it up.

[user123456789]

Uh huh, I'll also take that into consideration. :up: Aside from the muscle growth benefits, I could stand to get some more sleep anyway. Food, I got covered.

Just remember Rest and Nutrition > Training.

For instance, today is leg/shoulders day for me. But the gym closes in 1.5 hours, and I won't be able to get there in time. I'm not sweating it, an extra rest day is always more beneficial than hurtful.

I"ll just wake up bright and early tomorrow and go lift at around 8am or so.

[Holly Goodhead]

If you want to lose weight then dont eat. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

If you want to lose weight then dont eat. :up:

Yes yes we know that already Holly, you starve yourself thank you very much.

[jaguarr]

If you want your metabolism to shut down on you and start storing absolutely everything you put into your body as fatty cells so your figure starts to resemble the Michelin Man's, then dont eat. :up:

There, I fixed that for you. :)

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

Thats false, im living proof.