The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[ShadowBoxing]

completely off topic-how do I make my avatar bigger?
You have to get a certain number of posts.

[Sun_Down]

Thinking of trying this (http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Frankie_NY's_Mass_Building_Program/m_8817/tm.htm) program for bulking. Any thoughts on this or the 5x5 method in general?

[jaguarr]

Thinking of trying this (http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Frankie_NY%27s_Mass_Building_Program/m_8817/tm.htm) program for bulking. Any thoughts on this or the 5x5 method in general?

Looks like a pretty standard push/pull workout. Check out Bill Starr's 5x5 Program (http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Periodized_5x5.htm). He was one of the originators of that type of workout and I'd recommend his program over this other one. Excellent program for adding mass (as long as you eat like a horse ;) ).

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

More reps. More set. Pump up the volume, test, test! :up:

jag

I could drop down to 25lbs for the first 2 sets and try a 35lb for the last...and see what I have left in me. :up:

[jaguarr]

I could drop down to 25lbs for the first 2 sets and try a 35lb for the last...and see what I have left in me. :up:

Give it a shot. My back workout looks like this:

Deadlifts (sets/reps depends on which configuration I'm using on that given day)
Wide Grip Pullups 2x10 (bodyweight plus 25 lb. plate)
Hammer Grip Pullups - 2x10 (bodyweight plus 25 lb. plate)
Rack Chins - 2x10 w/45 lb. plate in lap
Pulldowns
Bench Supported Rows supersetted with heavy cable rows (sets/reps depends on which configuration I'm using on that given day)

Then I go on to hammer my triceps after that.

jag

[Sun_Down]

Looks like a pretty standard push/pull workout. Check out Bill Starr's 5x5 Program (http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Periodized_5x5.htm). He was one of the originators of that type of workout and I'd recommend his program over this other one. Excellent program for adding mass (as long as you eat like a horse ;) ).

jag

Thanks jag, I'd come across that before and wasn't sure about it. Squating 3x a week seems like overkill. I mean, I know squats = growth, but I dunno if my body can take that right now. I'll keep researching.

[DarthRekal]

Ditto everything mrvl said. And allow me to co-sign the CARDIO! :up:

I would say drop the 300 workout personally (are you actually doing it as it is listed or a toned down version?). But I have personal issues with that whole thing, so dont get me started. If you have been doing it and you say it has been working, then good, but dont get stuck in one routine either.
Dont bother w/ Hydroxycut or any "fat burning" pills, hard work and clean diet will work.
You doing any cardio? Sounds like you want to drop some weight/fat...what are you doing in this area?

thanks guys for the input..havent reall been focusing on cardio..but i play ball with my kids practically everyday... no real excersize..and yeah i've been pretty good with my diet... it IS a toned down version... i dont wana overtrain..but yeah the results are pretty good so far..... i have already got the muscle i want..i just need to lose the excess fat... yeah i dont get stuck on one routine..this is new to me thats why im gettin results... i had a whole diff liftin routine....

i will focus more on cardio...good lookin out fellas:up:

[Golgo-13]

Just finsihed the Leonidas workout agin.

Deadlifts are still the hardest part of the workout for me, plus i still have to take one a minute break inbetween the exercises. I plan on eliminating that in about a month.

[jaguarr]

Thanks jag, I'd come across that before and wasn't sure about it. Squating 3x a week seems like overkill. I mean, I know squats = growth, but I dunno if my body can take that right now. I'll keep researching.

You could probably pare that down to 2x a week, maybe even 1x a week if you're hitting the squats REALLY hard on leg day. I couldn't do it either, but I'm older than most of the guys on the board and need a bit more recovery time, so working the same muscle group repeatedly throughout the week without giving it proper time to recover would probably impede my growth rather than speed it up.

jag

[AndThePickles]

Just finsihed the Leonidas workout agin.

Deadlifts are still the hardest part of the workout for me, plus i still have to take one a minute break inbetween the exercises. I plan on eliminating that in about a month.

...um, why do you want to eliminate your rest periods?

[JStorm]

Give it a shot. My back workout looks like this:

Deadlifts (sets/reps depends on which configuration I'm using on that given day)
Wide Grip Pullups 2x10 (bodyweight plus 25 lb. plate)
Hammer Grip Pullups - 2x10 (bodyweight plus 25 lb. plate)
Rack Chins - 2x10 w/45 lb. plate in lap
Pulldowns
Bench Supported Rows supersetted with heavy cable rows (sets/reps depends on which configuration I'm using on that given day)

Then I go on to hammer my triceps after that.

jag

Geez!!

Add in some superman's and you'll have a backworkout for the gods of the fitness thread.

[JStorm]

...um, why do you want to eliminate your rest periods?

I think it's a techique the cast used in said "300 workout."

[jaguarr]

Superman's are for pussies. :oldrazz: Sometimes I swap out the bench supported barbell rows for dumbbell rows or bent over BB rows and I'm always changing out the set/rep scheme as well as the overall weight I'm using. I'll also do some weighted hyperextensions in place of deadlifts occassionally, too. Periodization is the key. :up:

jag

[JStorm]

Superman's are for pussies. :oldrazz: Sometimes I swap out the bench supported barbell rows for dumbbell rows or bent over BB rows and I'm always changing out the set/rep scheme as well as the overall weight I'm using. Periodization is the key. :up:

jag

You were suppose to quote me, Jag.

Now my joke will be lost forever in the hype of time.

No.. no, don't go and quote me now; it's too late.

And superman's are not for pussies. The exercise may be lame; but show some respect to the name. Or I will slap you.

Love,
Storm

[jaguarr]

Slap me? I love it when you talk dirty!

jag

[JStorm]

On topic, I have done rack-chins three weeks in a row. I love 'em. I've changed weight anf reps; of course, but I can't stop. I love 'em.

Devil gave me an idea to jazz it up. Instead of weight on me, use no weight and do as many as I can. So I started at 16 and worked down by 4. I began and ended my workout with said exercise.

So thanks to both of you (Jag and Devil).

[jaguarr]

Drop sets on the rack chins, eh? Nice. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

If I started my workout with rack chin drop sets, the rest of my back and bicep exercises would suffer big time lol.

That tends to happen a lot actually. When I have a killer back workout and sometimes up the weight; my following bicep exercises are poop. Sure, they're getting a workout in during the back exercises but they just don't feel as pumped afterwards...just incredibly fatigued :o

[mrvlknight21]

Sounds like everyone on this board is in love w/ rack chins!

[Colossal Spoons]

I blame jag. I'm cheating on ATP with rack chins now.

[JStorm]

If I started my workout with rack chin drop sets, the rest of my back and bicep exercises would suffer big time lol.

That tends to happen a lot actually. When I have a killer back workout and sometimes up the weight; my following bicep exercises are poop. Sure, they're getting a workout in during the back exercises but they just don't feel as pumped afterwards...just incredibly fatigued :o

I agree. When I use weight, and not the drop-set, I kill myself as well.

[jaguarr]

Rack Chins own us all.

jag

[JStorm]

Sounds like everyone on this board is in love w/ rack chins!

Wow! You're up early.

[mrvlknight21]

Yeah, thanks to fi'ng Jehovahs Witnesses!

[Colossal Spoons]

I can't wait to do legs/shoulders today!

[mrvlknight21]

Since Storm will be here Friday to run and do chest, I guess today will be a back day.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, thanks to fi'ng Jehovahs Witnesses!

I hope you read the literature they gave you, there WILL be a quiz next week, hahaha.

[AndThePickles]

I blame jag. I'm cheating on ATP with rack chins now.

Whore! :cmad:

[JStorm]

Yeah, thanks to fi'ng Jehovahs Witnesses!

Then make good of your situation. Go running. And when you run up on the cult of no sleep, break their knee's.


Or take Miles and let that sucka lose on 'em.

[mrvlknight21]

I hope you read the literature they gave you, there WILL be a quiz next week, hahaha.

I didnt even answer the door, but their knocks woke me up. They even tried to do one of those cutesy little rhythm knocks that you only do to people you know! For a minute I thought it was Friday and Storm was at my door to workout!

[JStorm]

Whore! :cmad:


I knew you smacked that ninja around.

High Five!

[mrvlknight21]

Then make good of your situation. Go running. And when you run up on the cult of no sleep, break their knee's.


Or take Miles and let that sucka lose on 'em.

Dont tempt me...I might just carve some spears and yell "SPARTANS! PREPARE FOR GLORY!"

[JStorm]

I didnt even answer the door, but their knocks woke me up. They even tried to do one of those cutesy little rhythm knocks that you only do to people you know! For a minute I thought it was Friday and Storm was at my door to workout!

I've never knocked on your door with a cutesy knock.

Oh yeah, it's war. I still have a key and I's gonna sneak in and scare the piss out of you.


To me fair to me, however, unload your pistol before bed tonight.

[mrvlknight21]

I've never knocked on your door with a cutesy knock.

Oh yeah, it's war. I still have a key and I's gonna sneak in and scare the piss out of you.


To me fair to me, however, unload your pistol before bed tonight.

Im not necessarily saying that YOU would use a cutesy rhythmic knock, but only someone you know would use it.
The pistol does not get unloaded unless it is at a primary target.

[Colossal Spoons]

I want a pistol :(

[AndThePickles]

I want a pistol :(

Whores don't get pistols :o

[mrvlknight21]

I want a pistol :(

Springfield XD! I have been trained on several pistols and this one is my favorite. They arent very expensive either.

[JStorm]

I want a pistol :(

Whores don't get pistols :o


Tonight on cops, an anger girlfriend pistol whips her boyfriend for cheating on her with gym equipment.

Spoons: "Woman, I said 'do as I say'."
Pickles: "*whack*"

[Colossal Spoons]

*revives Cochran*

[JStorm]

*revives Cochran*

Recenet Update:

Spoons has been seen speeding along the freeway in a white scooter. Special Investigator Mrvlknight21 stated that the scene of the crime was covered in "apple isopure" and that the victim was left alive because, quote from a letter, "white women's is crazy."

[mrvlknight21]

Speaking of that, since you put it in my head Spoons, I picked up 1 bottle of apple Isopure and 1 bottle of pineapple/orange/banana Isopure as well. $3.99 each (but only $3.39 each with my coupon...still very high!)

[Colossal Spoons]

Recenet Update:

Spoons has been seen speeding along the freeway in a white scooter. Special Investigator Mrvlknight21 stated that the scene of the crime was covered in "apple isopure" and that the victim was left alive because, quote from a letter, "white women's is crazy."

Hahahaha. You need a radio show.

Speaking of that, since you put it in my head Spoons, I picked up 1 bottle of apple Isopure and 1 bottle of pineapple/orange/banana Isopure as well. $3.99 each (but only $3.39 each with my coupon...still very high!)

Yeah? Let me know how you like/hate the apple.

[mrvlknight21]

Yeah, myself and Storm will try it tomorrow.

[Superman79]

Recenet Update:

Spoons has been seen speeding along the freeway in a white scooter. Special Investigator Mrvlknight21 stated that the scene of the crime was covered in "apple isopure" and that the victim was left alive because, quote from a letter, "white women's is crazy."


HAHAHA!!!

I can't wait for the next episode of this gym-class drama...:woot:

And speaking of Isopure, the 7 lb bucket of Low Carb Dutch Chocolate is not a bad value and it tastes fantastic :up:

[mrvlknight21]

HAHAHA!!!

I can't wait for the next episode of this gym-class drama...:woot:

And speaking of Isopure, the 7 lb bucket of Low Carb Dutch Chocolate is not a bad value and it tastes fantastic :up:

How much $ for the 7lb?

[Superman79]

How much $ for the 7lb?

the cheapest i've found (of any bodybuilding product) comes from Proflex Sports. Flat fee shipping and great service.

It's still a bit expensive (because you're paying for the high quality that is Natures Best) but still not too bad...at $61.95. But they often have sales too. I've gotten it as low as $52.00

http://proflexsports.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

[mrvlknight21]

Dang! I guess I will stick w/ ON.
Are you happy w/ results though?

[JStorm]

HAHAHA!!!

I can't wait for the next episode of this gym-class drama...:woot:


In further news, Jag and Storm, of the "little-men can be sexy too" group, stated that size does matter. In a recent interview, Mrs. Jag reported that she loves her husband because he is as small as a teddy bear. However, when Jag found out that Storm, his partner in the "little-men can be sexy too" group, interviews his wife, Jag procceded to make Storm do rack-chins with two 45 lbs weights while using a bull whip and ice pick.

Storm was last seen on a white scooter with a large black man who has been indentified as "Spoons." Both men fear for their lives and refuse to agree with the media that the "little-men can be sexy too" group, and the "white women's is crazy" group have formed their own group: "Little and black men can be sexy while running from crazy white women's and their husbands on a very gay white scooter" group.


Important update: Pickle forgives Spoons and want's her "dark chocolate to come home." Also, Jag has gone on record that if Storm ever shows his face he will "rip his butt of and feed it to that guy in the gym who looks like Richard Simmons."

[mrvlknight21]

In further news, Jag and Storm, of the "little-men can be sexy too" group, stated that size does matter. In a recent interview, Mrs. Jag reported that she loves her husband because he is as small as a teddy bear. However, when Jag found out that Storm, his partner in the "little-men can be sexy too" group, interviews his wife, Jag procceded to make Storm do rack-chins with two 45 lbs weights while using a bull whip and ice pick.

Storm was last seen on a white scooter with a large black man who has been indentified as "Spoons." Both men fear for their lives and refuse to agree with the media that the "little-men can be sexy too" group, and the "white women's is crazy" group have formed their own group: "Little and black men can be sexy while running from crazy white women's and their husbands on a very gay white scooter" group.


Important update: Pickle forgives Spoons and want's her "dark chocolate to come home." Also, Jag has gone on record that if Storm ever shows his face he will "rip his butt of and feed it to that guy in the gym who looks like Richard Simmons."


EWWW, did you have to mention Richard Simmons?

[mrvlknight21]

I am officially sick and tired of hearing about this "300 workout." There is a guy on the 300 boards who wants to do it, but has never heard of a deadlift or clean and press. I post/read on 3 different websites and every single one of them has thread after thread dedicated to this! WTF! What is the big deal? I mean I saw the movie and didnt walk out thinking "OHHHHH MY GOD!!!! I HAVE TO LOOK LIKE A SPARTAN!" I didnt even really notice the physiques, I was there for the movie for God's sake. And yes, my dumb ass took the time to scold and educate this poster.
Ok rant over....for now.

[ShadowBoxing]

Most of the Spartans, truth be told, weren't that huge. At least not the ones who were being portrayed by actors as opposed to stuntmen and extras.

[Sun_Down]

I am officially sick and tired of hearing about this "300 workout." There is a guy on the 300 boards who wants to do it, but has never heard of a deadlift or clean and press. I post/read on 3 different websites and every single one of them has thread after thread dedicated to this! WTF! What is the big deal? I mean I saw the movie and didnt walk out thinking "OHHHHH MY GOD!!!! I HAVE TO LOOK LIKE A SPARTAN!" I didnt even really notice the physiques, I was there for the movie for God's sake. And yes, my dumb ass took the time to scold and educate this poster.
Ok rant over....for now.

I agree wholeheartedly. And I'll guaruntee that 90% of these guys aren't even doing it as written.

[Sun_Down]

You could probably pare that down to 2x a week, maybe even 1x a week if you're hitting the squats REALLY hard on leg day. I couldn't do it either, but I'm older than most of the guys on the board and need a bit more recovery time, so working the same muscle group repeatedly throughout the week without giving it proper time to recover would probably impede my growth rather than speed it up.

jag

Yeah, even at my age (a spry 19), squatting 3x a week seems like I'd be overtraining. But I suppose you're not hitting them too terribly hard on the 2nd and 3rd days, so maybe that plus a lot of sleep and good post-workout nutrition will keep it all in check.

I'm liking the look of that routine though, especially the emphasis on compounds.

[AndThePickles]

In further news, Jag and Storm, of the "little-men can be sexy too" group, stated that size does matter. In a recent interview, Mrs. Jag reported that she loves her husband because he is as small as a teddy bear. However, when Jag found out that Storm, his partner in the "little-men can be sexy too" group, interviews his wife, Jag procceded to make Storm do rack-chins with two 45 lbs weights while using a bull whip and ice pick.

Storm was last seen on a white scooter with a large black man who has been indentified as "Spoons." Both men fear for their lives and refuse to agree with the media that the "little-men can be sexy too" group, and the "white women's is crazy" group have formed their own group: "Little and black men can be sexy while running from crazy white women's and their husbands on a very gay white scooter" group.


Important update: Pickle forgives Spoons and want's her "dark chocolate to come home." Also, Jag has gone on record that if Storm ever shows his face he will "rip his butt of and feed it to that guy in the gym who looks like Richard Simmons."

Haha

I am officially sick and tired of hearing about this "300 workout." There is a guy on the 300 boards who wants to do it, but has never heard of a deadlift or clean and press. I post/read on 3 different websites and every single one of them has thread after thread dedicated to this! WTF! What is the big deal? I mean I saw the movie and didnt walk out thinking "OHHHHH MY GOD!!!! I HAVE TO LOOK LIKE A SPARTAN!" I didnt even really notice the physiques, I was there for the movie for God's sake. And yes, my dumb ass took the time to scold and educate this poster.
Ok rant over....for now.

I completely agree!!!!! :cmad::cmad::cmad: I've been forcing myself not to go into the thread about it on here anymore because it only frustrates me further :csad:

[mrvlknight21]

I agree wholeheartedly. And I'll guaruntee that 90% of these guys aren't even doing it as written.

more like 99.9%

[mrvlknight21]

Haha



I completely agree!!!!! :cmad::cmad::cmad: I've been forcing myself not to go into the thread about it on here anymore because it only frustrates me further :csad:

are you the coolest girl on the planet?

[Golgo-13]

...um, why do you want to eliminate your rest periods?

To build up more cardio durability.

[mrvlknight21]

To build up more cardio durability.

If I recall, that is also the way it is designed, correct? To go straight through, one exercise to the next w/out rest?

[Golgo-13]

If I recall, that is also the way it is designed, correct? To go straight through, one exercise to the next w/out rest?

Yep.

[Sun_Down]

So I tried using a 5x5 technique on my back/bi workout today. I hit deads, one arm rows and standing barbell curls. I picked weights that I considered ambitious and to my surprise, completed every set except on curls, where I failed on my very last rep. And even though this means that my weights were too light, it still kicked my ass. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

To add to Devil's rant: I actually didnt' find the 300 actors' physiques to be THAT impressinve. Sure, they were defined but there are bigger freshman at my college. :shrug:


In further news, Jag and Storm, of the "little-men can be sexy too" group, stated that size does matter. In a recent interview, Mrs. Jag reported that she loves her husband because he is as small as a teddy bear. However, when Jag found out that Storm, his partner in the "little-men can be sexy too" group, interviews his wife, Jag procceded to make Storm do rack-chins with two 45 lbs weights while using a bull whip and ice pick.

Storm was last seen on a white scooter with a large black man who has been indentified as "Spoons." Both men fear for their lives and refuse to agree with the media that the "little-men can be sexy too" group, and the "white women's is crazy" group have formed their own group: "Little and black men can be sexy while running from crazy white women's and their husbands on a very gay white scooter" group.


Important update: Pickle forgives Spoons and want's her "dark chocolate to come home." Also, Jag has gone on record that if Storm ever shows his face he will "rip his butt of and feed it to that guy in the gym who looks like Richard Simmons."


Hahaha, one more little tidbit making today the best day I've had in a while. Despite the fact that I probably didn't do so well on my genetics test today; I'm in very high spirits...must be the sun finally coming out. If the sun has this effect on me here, I'm that much more determined to move to FL :up:

I'm off to do legs/shoulders. Do work!

[jaguarr]

Haha! This thread is out of control! :up: Back & tri's for me later tonight. Whoo!

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Well I thought I was off to the gym, but I'm waiting for Pickles to get dressed.

When did I get married? :(





:p

[Super Kal]

F**KING HELL YEAH! since my last weigh in (which was like 2 or 3 months ago) after walking and mostly eating nothing but fish )aside from the occasional hot pocket) I've lost 10 pounds


f***ing AWESOME!

[Colossal Spoons]

CONGRATS!

Does it look like 10 lbs of fat?

[mrvlknight21]

Well I thought I was off to the gym, but I'm waiting for Pickles to get dressed.

When did I get married? :(





:p


HAHAAHAHAAHAHHAAH:woot:

[Super Kal]

CONGRATS!

Does it look like 10 lbs of fat?
huh?

[Colossal Spoons]

P.S. I'm totally writing my own vows and they are going to be hilarious. They will most definately include "agreeing to wait for you to get dressed".

[Colossal Spoons]

huh?

When you look at yourself in the mirror, does it look like you lost 10 lbs of fat or muscle+fat?

[mrvlknight21]

To add to Devil's rant: I actually didnt' find the 300 actors' physiques to be THAT impressinve. Sure, they were defined but there are bigger freshman at my college. :shrug:





Hahaha, one more little tidbit making today the best day I've had in a while. Despite the fact that I probably didn't do so well on my genetics test today; I'm in very high spirits...must be the sun finally coming out. If the sun has this effect on me here, I'm that much more determined to move to FL :up:

I'm off to do legs/shoulders. Do work!

I love it when Spoons has my back! I get a kick out of the fact that some of you guys call me "devil." Something Storm started, no less.
I will be able to do some pullups in a few hours...probably about 130am (I am at work and have to get to a certain place to do it).

[Super Kal]

When you look at yourself in the mirror, does it look like you lost 10 lbs of fat or muscle+fat?
oh...

no, I haven't gotten to that point yet.

[Colossal Spoons]

I love it when Spoons has my back! I get a kick out of the fact that some of you guys call me "devil." Something Storm started, no less.
I will be able to do some pullups in a few hours...probably about 130am (I am at work and have to get to a certain place to do it).

Haha, I never know what to call you. Why have I been calling you devil upon Storm's lead?

oh...

no, I haven't gotten to that point yet.

Well congrats nonetheless. What was your original goal; to lose 10lbs...period?

[Super Kal]

Well congrats nonetheless. What was your original goal; to lose 10lbs...period?
my goal is to reach 150

[AndThePickles]

are you the coolest girl on the planet?

Probably. :heart:

Well I thought I was off to the gym, but I'm waiting for Pickles to get dressed.

When did I get married? :(





:p

P.S. I'm totally writing my own vows and they are going to be hilarious. They will most definately include "agreeing to wait for you to get dressed".

:cmad::cmad::cmad:

Well then mine will include "Agreeing to put up with you farting 24/7." Why can't you make ROMANTIC vows you rack chin cheating whore?! :cmad:

[Colossal Spoons]

They'll be romatic. I plan to end them with "All that aside, I guess we can do this thing. But we need to hurry up because wrestling will be on soon."

:heart:

[Colossal Spoons]

my goal is to reach 150

Ok cool, do work! :D

[Super Kal]

Ok cool, do work! :D
my goal is to reach it by January 1st, 2008...



that's really pushing it though...

[AndThePickles]

They'll be romatic. I plan to end them with "All that aside, I guess we can do this thing. But we need to hurry up because wrestling will be on soon."

:heart:


I'll kill you

[Colossal Spoons]

my goal is to reach it by January 1st, 2008...



that's really pushing it though...

How much more do you have to go? If you don't mind sharing. :)

I'll kill you

See, that's why I ran away on the scooter with Storm. No love here! :csad:

[Super Kal]

How much more do you have to go? If you don't mind sharing. :)
135

I may make it, I may not, but I'm gonna try...
and not January 1st, January 20.

[jaguarr]

"rack chin cheating whore"....BWAHAHAHAHAAAAA! :D

Nice work kakarot! :up:

Devil, I call you Devil because Storm started it and it's a lot easier to type than mrvlknightbunchanumbers.

Killer back/tri's workout tonight. I'm finally gettin' fookin' strong again following that horrid bronchial infection. I did some heavy work! :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Glad everybody's pumpin iron nicely again :)

[JStorm]

Helpful information:

Mrvlknight21 was named "Devil" by me a few years ago because he is a huge Daredevil fan. The second reason behind his nickname is because not only is my last name, we also have friends with nicknames such as "Cheese," "Yellow," "Shooter," and "BA." I thought it would be fitting for Mrvlknight21 to have a nickname as well. Furthermore, in argeement with Jag, Devil is much easier to type, and faster, I might add, then Mrvlknight21.


Extra tidbit for you information junkies, he also will answer to three other names: The Commish, Vineyard, and the third will be release if a large payment is sent to an off shore account in my name.

[TEDDY]

Who rang?

[mrvlknight21]

They'll be romatic. I plan to end them with "All that aside, I guess we can do this thing. But we need to hurry up because wrestling will be on soon."

:heart:

HAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!

[mrvlknight21]

Helpful information:

Mrvlknight21 was named "Devil" by me a few years ago because he is a huge Daredevil fan. The second reason behind his nickname is because not only is my last name, we also have friends with nicknames such as "Cheese," "Yellow," "Shooter," and "BA." I thought it would be fitting for Mrvlknight21 to have a nickname as well. Furthermore, in argeement with Jag, Devil is much easier to type, and faster, I might add, then Mrvlknight21.


Extra tidbit for you information junkies, he also will answer to three other names: The Commish, Vineyard, and the third will be release if a large payment is sent to an off shore account in my name.

Sadly, "The Commish" never took off. :huh:
I dont mind "Devil" just dont call me that in church...kind of hurts the image.

[JStorm]

Quick update for you lazy pieces of jawa vomit:

Devil and I jogged a mile and hit a, at-home, chest workout. The workout consisted of 5x6 inclines, 5x6 flat bench, 8x5 upper chest shoulder press, and angled dips with a weighted bag.

Also, I shouldn't be on much longer because I'm going to visit a girl. So keep your fingers crossed, minds clean, and pray I don't screw it up.

Littlt tidbit on the lady in question, she actually wants to workout on our first date. Her words, "a light jog, maybe you can show me some interval running and that burpee thing."

Until next time lady and gents,
Storm

Oh.. and Spoons, can I borrow the scooter, my car is low on gas?

[jaguarr]

I'ma laugh if you're so out of gas from your earlier workout that this girl leaves you in the dust with this "light jog". :D Good luck. Wrap it up tight with a jimmy hat before ya hit it.

I ripped out some pretty intense cardio on the elliptical over lunch, today. Only had time for about 35 minutes before I had to get back to work, but it felt good. Going to head out in a little bit to go get my eyes checked and see if I'm a good candidate for LASIK surgery. Hopefully I am and I can ditch these glasses & contacts! :up:

jag

[Superman79]

So is it sad that after two games of softball yesterday that my body is angry with me?? (of course it probably doesn't help I did a mean shoulder workout post-game :( )

[Superman79]

Going to head out in a little bit to go get my eyes checked and see if I'm a good candidate for LASIK surgery. Hopefully I am and I can ditch these glasses & contacts! :up:

jag

good luck.

I had two friends get LASIK as a graduation gift...they say it's the greatest thing they've ever done

[mrvlknight21]

I'ma laugh if you're so out of gas from your earlier workout that this girl leaves you in the dust with this "light jog". :D Good luck. Wrap it up tight with a jimmy hat before ya hit it.

I ripped out some pretty intense cardio on the elliptical over lunch, today. Only had time for about 35 minutes before I had to get back to work, but it felt good. Going to head out in a little bit to go get my eyes checked and see if I'm a good candidate for LASIK surgery. Hopefully I am and I can ditch these glasses & contacts! :up:

jag

I would laugh at that too Jag!
Let me know what happens w/ Lasik, I would like my wife to get that done. Unfortunately, she saw some story on dateline or something about the 1 time the surgery went bad and is scared to death of it!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hey Spoons, what is your set routine? 6x6? How is it working out for you in terms of gaining size/strength?

[jaguarr]

Well, looks like I'm a prime candidate for the LASIK. The guy I'm going to is the tops in the state and he's got the advanced equipment that allows the procedure to be done completely by laser, which means no spinning razor blades near my eyes. :up: I'm booked for April 20th after which point I'll be donating my glasses to charity. Devil, most of these LASIK places offer free assessment and consultation to see if you're a good candidate for the surgery and to answer any questions. The guy I'm going to said that they have less than 5% of patients who experience issues, and that number is dropping since they got their new equipment in January that allows the procedure to be done completely with computer controlled lasers. Maybe you should do some research on who the hot **** LASIK guy is in your area that uses the latest equipment and set up an appointment for her?

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Hey Spoons, what is your set routine? 6x6? How is it working out for you in terms of gaining size/strength?

I do 3 sets of 6 reps for EVERYTHING except abs and calves. I like it a lot; I've been adding more weight consistantly. I like 6 cuz it's a low number that you can really get some crazy powerful lifts out of. :up:



I did cardio today as well. Rode the spinner bike at various speeds on a hi-lo intensity. I was totally zoned out for most of it b/c I got a new trance mix(58mins long) and before I knew it, the cardio was over:D

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I do 3 sets of 6 reps for EVERYTHING except abs and calves. I like it a lot; I've been adding more weight consistantly. I like 6 cuz it's a low number that you can really get some crazy powerful lifts out of. :up:



I did cardio today as well. Rode the spinner bike at various speeds on a hi-lo intensity. I was totally zoned out for most of it b/c I got a new trance mix(58mins long) and before I knew it, the cardio was over:D

Okay, nice. So do you feel that you're strength gains are coming as quickly as your size gains are as well? How much weight have you put on over the past X amount of months/weeks?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

On a separate note, I need some more leg exercises. But here's the catch, I'm, still working out at home only. I need 1 good one for my quads, but I could use 2 more for my hamstrings.

I have 1 curl bar a swiss ball, plates, and 3 sets of dumb bells.

[AndThePickles]

jag, that's so awesome that you're getting LASIK! I really want to get that done within the next few years as well....SICK of contacts!

My quads hurt so bad today that I have to sit down slow as hell :csad:

[WorthyStevens]

So, I'm gonna hire a personal trainer to help me with my workouts.

My ultimate goal is to gain 20-30lbs of muscle to finish at around 190-200lbs within the next 3-5 years. And to tone what I already have, of course.

[Golgo-13]

Just finsihed doing my custom 'one-armed-kettlebell-snatch' workout.

Where i do 10 in each arm, rest for 60 seconds, then 8, rest, all the way down to 2. Then back up to 10. I do this then i stand with my back against the wall in the horse stance position for 5 minutes, to really set my thighs on fire! I find this a very quick and effective full body workout when i don't have alot time on my hands.

[MST3K 4ever]

Just found this thread and I gotta say I like what I have been reading.

I have just started working out with my Bowflex again and I have been looking for different ways to workout with it to break up the rountine of the same workout over and over again.

Can't wait to try some of the different workouts that I have been reading. I had missed some workouts (thanks to my appendictis nearly rupturing) and fell into some bad habits, but now I am making the time and committment to getting back into shape. Also because my bloodwork came back yesterday and let's just say I need to start working-out again.

[Golgo-13]

Just found this thread and I gotta say I like what I have been reading.

I have just started working out with my Bowflex again and I have been looking for different ways to workout with it to break up the rountine of the same workout over and over again.

Can't wait to try some of the different workouts that I have been reading. I had missed some workouts (thanks to my appendictis nearly rupturing) and fell into some bad habits, but now I am making the time and committment to getting back into shape. Also because my bloodwork came back yesterday and let's just say I need to start working-out again.

Got a Bowflex myself back in 2001 bro. I used some of the workouts that they show in the book that it came with, but others, i just don't like. I got it with the leg extension piece but not with the back/pull down part. To be honest i've grown tired of it and only use if for calf exercises now. But it is a good machine though.

[kainedamo]

How hard are bellies to get rid of?

Unfortunately, I've developed a bit of a belly. Earlier this year, I started going to the gym, doing 2 classes a week of hour long excercise. I also jogged regularly too. I eat properly. I don't eat any junk. I'll have the occasional pizza but thats it. I eat lots of fruit each day and vegetables with every dinner. I don't overeat. I started doing 4 days a week at the gym, two of the classes being an hour long on the indoor bike. A big calorie burner. I jogged every wedensday too. But I stopped the jogging, because jogging always ends up hurting my ankles.

Anyway, I sort of lost the will for the gym and stopped going. I wasn't seeing much progress on the belly, and I had been going to the gym for about two months.

[MST3K 4ever]

Got a Bowflex myself back in 2001 bro. I used some of the workouts that they show in the book that it came with, but others, i just don't like. I got it with the leg extension piece but not with the back/pull down part. To be honest i've grown tired of it and only use if for calf exercises now. But it is a good machine though.

I got the whole thing with it...you name it I got it including the AB exercise machine and I think that makes a difference

[jaguarr]

So, I'm gonna hire a personal trainer to help me with my workouts.

My ultimate goal is to gain 20-30lbs of muscle to finish at around 190-200lbs within the next 3-5 years. And to tone what I already have, of course.

Not a bad idea. I hired a PT/Nutritionist for my wife to help her learn how to eat properly and manage an exercise program. Sort of a reward for her quitting smoking and wanting to be serious about being healthy again. I found a good one who matched her goals appropriately, so I'll just give the same advice to you. PT's are a dime a dozen and there are some BAD ones out there. Find a PT who's also heavy into the nutrition side of things as that's what 90% of this is, and make sure it's someone who has competed (successfully would be best) in bodybuilding competitions and at least still somewhat look the part. Then they'll really know what the hell they're talking about. I've seen way too many PT's who are skinny or have pot-bellies acting like they know everything there is to know about building muscle or fat loss, and much of the time with those types I've overheard them giving terrible advice to their clients. Take your time and find someone who knows what the hell they are doing and can back up their knowledge with their experience and their own bodies as an example. :up:

jag

[Babs Gordon]

ALWAYS with personal trainers you want to make sure they have proper certifications. You can get bogus certifications over the internet these days. It's ridiculous. You have every right to ask them for credentials and you really should. It's your body, we're talking about, and a bad personal trainer could really eff up important things like joints and discs. Also, you should look for a personal trainer who will work with your needs. I've met some that want to turn their clients into their vision of health and not the client's. For instance, my personal trainer that I worked with last summer looked great. She was a professional dancer, yoga instructor and certified personal trainer. She'd never power lifted in her life. However, she was perfectly suited to my fitness needs.

Here are some good certifications for a PT to have:
http://www.chekinstitute.com/
http://www.nasm.org/
http://www.nsca.com/
https://www.issaonline.com/index.cfm

[Babs Gordon]

I'ma laugh if you're so out of gas from your earlier workout that this girl leaves you in the dust with this "light jog". :D Good luck. Wrap it up tight with a jimmy hat before ya hit it.

I ripped out some pretty intense cardio on the elliptical over lunch, today. Only had time for about 35 minutes before I had to get back to work, but it felt good. Going to head out in a little bit to go get my eyes checked and see if I'm a good candidate for LASIK surgery. Hopefully I am and I can ditch these glasses & contacts! :up:

jag

FYI about the Lasik surgery. My good friend Todd had it done in Canada. If you live anywhere close to the border, in Canada he got the most top-of-the-line, advanced Lasik surgery available anywhere for the cost of run of the mill Lasik surgery in the USA. Just some food for thought.

[jaguarr]

FYI about the Lasik surgery. My good friend Todd had it done in Canada. If you live anywhere close to the border, in Canada he got the most top-of-the-line, advanced Lasik surgery available anywhere for the cost of run of the mill Lasik surgery in the USA. Just some food for thought.

Thanks for the food for thought, Babs. :) The laser system the guy I'm going to have do my LASIK surgery is the latest technology in the industry....world-wide. Canada's not going to have anything better. The same, maybe, but not better because it doesn't exist. And this guy has been doing eye surgeries for a very long time. He knows his stuff. If he didn't, he wouldn't be getting anywhere near my eyes. I wonder if they'd let me use Labatt's Blue as a sedative prior to the surgery up there, though? :D

jag

[Babs Gordon]

Haha maybe. My ex boyfriend had it done while were together he said it was quick and truly painless. I wouldn't worry about sedatives ;)

[jaguarr]

Haha maybe. My ex boyfriend had it done while were together he said it was quick and truly painless. I wouldn't worry about sedatives ;)

Heh! Yeah, I understand it's pretty painless and overwith very quickly. My brother and several friends have had it done. The new equipment uses a laser for everything, including making the small incision and flap under which the actual modifications to the eye are made, so the precision and heal time is increased greatly over when they used to use the tiny rotating razor blades for the job. :eek:

jag

[Babs Gordon]

*shudder* Tiny rotating razor blades. That's like sicking a piranha on your eyeball.... ewww.

[WorthyStevens]

Not a bad idea. I hired a PT/Nutritionist for my wife to help her learn how to eat properly and manage an exercise program. Sort of a reward for her quitting smoking and wanting to be serious about being healthy again. I found a good one who matched her goals appropriately, so I'll just give the same advice to you. PT's are a dime a dozen and there are some BAD ones out there. Find a PT who's also heavy into the nutrition side of things as that's what 90% of this is, and make sure it's someone who has competed (successfully would be best) in bodybuilding competitions and at least still somewhat look the part. Then they'll really know what the hell they're talking about. I've seen way too many PT's who are skinny or have pot-bellies acting like they know everything there is to know about building muscle or fat loss, and much of the time with those types I've overheard them giving terrible advice to their clients. Take your time and find someone who knows what the hell they are doing and can back up their knowledge with their experience and their own bodies as an example. :up:

jag

This PT I might go with works at the gym that I live right by, and I've gotten some good recommendations about him. I'm gonna stop by later on and talk to him more about it.

[mrvlknight21]

Just finsihed doing my custom 'one-armed-kettlebell-snatch' workout.

Where i do 10 in each arm, rest for 60 seconds, then 8, rest, all the way down to 2. Then back up to 10. I do this then i stand with my back against the wall in the horse stance position for 5 minutes, to really set my thighs on fire! I find this a very quick and effective full body workout when i don't have alot time on my hands.

Hey Golgo, Often when I do wall sits (like you are referring to). I follow them up w/ squat jumps, rest then go again. So you are using a static hold followed by an explosive movement (called a complex pair). Try it when you want to mix things up and really smoke your thighs.

[mrvlknight21]

ALWAYS with personal trainers you want to make sure they have proper certifications. You can get bogus certifications over the internet these days. It's ridiculous. You have every right to ask them for credentials and you really should. It's your body, we're talking about, and a bad personal trainer could really eff up important things like joints and discs. Also, you should look for a personal trainer who will work with your needs. I've met some that want to turn their clients into their vision of health and not the client's. For instance, my personal trainer that I worked with last summer looked great. She was a professional dancer, yoga instructor and certified personal trainer. She'd never power lifted in her life. However, she was perfectly suited to my fitness needs.

Here are some good certifications for a PT to have:
http://www.chekinstitute.com/
http://www.nasm.org/
http://www.nsca.com/
https://www.issaonline.com/index.cfm


Very good points, something I have always said as well. Some people want to perform better at a sport and the trainer will get them on a bodybuilding program when they need sport specific exercises, more speed, conditioning, or whatever. In my opinion the NSCA (that you listed) may be the most knowledgeable. I almost got my cert. from ISSA, but changed my mind since I wasnt sure how much I would actually use it (plus it seemed that it was one of the least respected because you can do it on the internet very quickly). Again, good points.

[jaguarr]

I do agree with Babs. Finding a trainer who suits your goals is very important, and that's sort of what I was saying in my other post, though it was sort of tailored towards Worthy's particular goals. Even with certifications, there are a lot of PT's who don't know practical application of what they're so studied up about. That's why I think experience counts for a lot. If you want to put on a lot of muscle and bodybuild, find a PT who's a bodybuilder. If you want to have a dancer's body, find one who trains appropriately and knows what they are doing. The same would apply if you were hiring a boxing or martial arts teacher, or a kayak instructor. PT's should be no different.

jag

[Golgo-13]

Hey Golgo, Often when I do wall sits (like you are referring to). I follow them up w/ squat jumps, rest then go again. So you are using a static hold followed by an explosive movement (called a complex pair). Try it when you want to mix things up and really smoke your thighs.

:up:

[ang_hulk]

how can i strengthen my jaw muscles? specifcally the ones used for chewing.

[Colossal Spoons]

Okay, nice. So do you feel that you're strength gains are coming as quickly as your size gains are as well? How much weight have you put on over the past X amount of months/weeks?

I've put on about 25lbs in the year or so I've been doing the routine; some fat of course. The size gains were amazing during my bulk, and the strength was proportional.

[Colossal Spoons]

how can i strengthen my jaw muscles? specifcally the ones used for chewing.

Um.....eat more or clench and hold.

[ang_hulk]

thats it? besides the eating part.What about wads of gum?

[Colossal Spoons]

It's such an odd muscle to want to strengthen, I really don't know. Try googling it lol.

[ang_hulk]

found a device called facial flex......60 bucks for two pieces of metal and rubber bands.not a chance.Im going to try the gum thing.

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, facial flex. That crap sounds dangerous

[mrvlknight21]

The other night when I planned to do pullups/back routine while at work, the place that I would be able to be for 2 hours which has a pullup station, was blocked off due to chemical cleaning. So I was stuck inside this area w/ large, square metal beams. So, I did 14 sets up pullups/chinups and today my forearms are killing me. The beams were so big, I really had to focus on my grip and it toasted me apparently.

[Golgo-13]

Um.....eat more or clench and hold.

Or..he could ask the likes of Paris Hilton, or Monica Lewinsky.:o

[Colossal Spoons]

:ninja:

[Colossal Spoons]

I upped my weights on DB bench press yesterday. I did 50-55-60 last time and it was too easy so this time I did 60-65-70. Muuuuuch better. Think I may move up a little bit next time; 65-70-75 maybe because the set of 70lbs felt really good. :up:

[jaguarr]

I upped my weights on DB bench press yesterday. I did 50-55-60 last time and it was too easy so this time I did 60-65-70. Muuuuuch better. Think I may move up a little bit next time; 65-70-75 maybe because the set of 70lbs felt really good. :up:

Yeah, baby! Lightweight! Do work! :up:

Chest and bi's for me later on today. I'm getting really close to popping back over 300 on my bench again, finally. Damn that flu was bad-ass!

jag

[AndThePickles]

My chest is super sore today! That's good though, because it's definitely my weakest muscle-area :csad:

[jaguarr]

My chest is super sore today! That's good though, because it's definitely my weakest muscle-area :csad:

Spoons, you gotta learn to be a little more gentle, bro! :ninja:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm like a lamprey

[jaguarr]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/fish/images/othe-lamprey.jpg

jag

[AndThePickles]

Yikes!

[mrvlknight21]

I upped my weights on DB bench press yesterday. I did 50-55-60 last time and it was too easy so this time I did 60-65-70. Muuuuuch better. Think I may move up a little bit next time; 65-70-75 maybe because the set of 70lbs felt really good. :up:

Good job Spoons, this almost sounds like what I did with Storm on Friday-incline-45-55-65, flat -65-75-85, my powerblocks only go to 85, but at work I do 95s on the last set. I just wish I had a barbell to do bench with every now and then.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm not sure when I'll go back to BBs. I'm only doing DBs as somethign diff as I've been neglecting my stabilizers for years now lol

[Superman79]

BAH...double post

[Superman79]

I upped my weights on DB bench press yesterday. I did 50-55-60 last time and it was too easy so this time I did 60-65-70. Muuuuuch better. Think I may move up a little bit next time; 65-70-75 maybe because the set of 70lbs felt really good. :up:

Nice! what kind of set/rep split are you using?

[Superman79]

Dang! I guess I will stick w/ ON.
Are you happy w/ results though?

oh yeah, that stuff has been great to me...of course ON is good too, I love the tropical punch flavor :woot:

[ShadowBoxing]

Just did a killer cardio/interval routine.

15-20 minutes (I did 17) of Biking at avg.130-150rpm. (medium resistence)

Superset:
3x20 Box Jump Squats
3x20 weighted crunches

Superset
3x25yards Frog leaps
3x25yards Farmers Walks w/85lb DB.

Superset
3x1minute of quickfeet.
3x20 pushups

3x Sucide Sprints on a Basketball Court.

[Superman79]

Just did a killer cardio/interval routine.

15-20 minutes (I did 17) of Biking at avg.130-150rpm. (medium resistence)

Superset:
3x20 Box Jump Squats
3x20 weighted crunches

Superset
3x25yards Frog leaps
3x25yards Farmers Walks w/85lb DB.

Superset
3x1minute of quickfeet.
3x20 pushups

3x Sucide Sprints on a Basketball Court.

define "quickfeet" for me...I've heard it in reference to a couple different methods...how do you do it?

[ShadowBoxing]

define "quickfeet" for me...I've heard it in reference to a couple different methods...how do you do it?
Best way I can describe it is that it's like doing (alternating feet) jump rope really fast without a rope.

[MST3K 4ever]

I think I am finally getting back into the swing of things...I increased my reps by 5 on everything today and it felt great! That Bowflex has got be one of the best birthday presents .

[Colossal Spoons]

Nice! what kind of set/rep split are you using?

I do 3 sets of 6 reps for everything save abs and forearms :up:

[user123456789]

Spoons, you gotta learn to be a little more gentle, bro! :ninja:

jag
ahahahaahaha

[Colossal Spoons]

I enjoy boyscouT's cameos :D

[Sun_Down]

Please tell me that somebody else read this today.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2007-04-01-300-workout_N.htm

[jaguarr]

Please tell me that somebody else read this today.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2007-04-01-300-workout_N.htm


Interesting article. At least they finally say that the 300 workout is not practical for the average person. I have yet to read any articles about this thing that point out the obvious about that. They also alluded to the actors doing a lot more than just this workout, and also finally pointed out another obvious thing about it all:

"This kind of transformation requires a change in diet, sleep patterns, stress levels and attitude."

That's the first time I've seen any of those things mentioned in relation to the 300 Workout as well, which are HUGE....let me say it again...HUGE components of getting the bodies the people doing this workout are usually in pursuit of. Yet it's only mentioned in a little blurb with absolutely zero details. I doubt it ever will be, either, because that's the proprietary information these trainers have that make them valuable, not the workout itself (which is why they gave a lot of that away for free, knowing that it would generate a lot of free publicity for themselves).

Still, at least people are getting off their duffs and trying to get in shape. I'm sure many will quit after two months when they don't look anything at all like the Spartans did in the film, but if even a handful stick with it and turn to more conventional ways of getting into shape and learn how to do it right, then that's a success in my book. I'm just waiting for some out of shape fatty with heart problems to keel over while trying to do this workout, though, and his family to then sue the 300 crew for it. You know it's coming.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

As for the "300 workout" itself, Westcott says, it isn't practical for the average person.

Though he's glad the movie has inspired people to get fit, Bill Phillips, author of the 12-week strength program book Body for Life, says he hopes they don't get hurt or discouraged in the process.

He says that by incorporating reasonable bodybuilding routines — 45 minutes of strength training, three days a week — people can see a change.

I bet all the fanboys will ignore this part :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

I wonder how their sleep patterns had to change though :huh:

[jaguarr]

They probably had to sleep a lot more so that their bodies would heal from all that abuse. They probably had schedule group nap time with their blankies, cartons of whey protein and complex carb cookies.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Must be awesome to get paid to sleep, eat, and train. What am I doing in school...learning about bacteria and viruses? :cmad:

[Sun_Down]

They probably had to sleep a lot more so that their bodies would heal from all that abuse. They probably had schedule group nap time with their blankies, cartons of whey protein and complex carb cookies.

jag

I hear Gerard had a little troubling with tinkling on his nap mat.

[Babs Gordon]

found a device called facial flex......60 bucks for two pieces of metal and rubber bands.not a chance.Im going to try the gum thing.

Overcook your steak and cut it into big wonking pieces.

[Babs Gordon]

You guys are so hardcore about your weight training.

Yesterday I post-holed my way up 1200 vertical feet in one mile of trail in two feet of snow so I could see a pretty view.*

Today I carried about 60 gallons of sap through the woods to our sugar house.

Sore.

*for a definition of post-holing you'll just have to ask.

[Colossal Spoons]

Overcook your steak and cut it into big wonking pieces.

smart lady :D

[mrvlknight21]

I bet all the fanboys will ignore this part :up:

Im ready to choke somebody out :cmad:

[AndThePickles]

I bet all the fanboys will ignore this part :up:

Maybe they'll get severely injured and put us all out of our misery :heart:

[Golgo-13]

Might be out of commission for a while guys. I got a nasty groin pull doing Judo throws in Jiu Jitsu class this morining. Man they hurt like hell. :csad:

[AndThePickles]

Ouch

[Golgo-13]

I was pondering whether or not to put a Bengay patch on the pull area, but it's too close to my family jewels. The Menthol in those patches burned the skin on my shoulder when my shoulder hurt and i used them. I'm really scared to put it down near my prized possessions.

[jaguarr]

Might be out of commission for a while guys. I got a nasty groin pull doing Judo throws in Jiu Jitsu class this morining. Man they hurt like hell. :csad:

Sorry to hear that, man. Take care of it and let it heal properly. That's one you can easily aggravate if you don't rest and let it heal up or try to come back too soon from it.

jag

[jaguarr]

I was pondering whether or not to put a Bengay patch on the pull area, but it's too close to my family jewels. The Menthol in those patches burned the skin on my shoulder when my shoulder hurt and i used them. I'm really scared to put it down near my prized possessions.

Ice. Ice it for 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off for the first 48 hours of an injury. It will make a very big difference in severity and recovery time.

jag

[Golgo-13]

Ice. Ice it for 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off for the first 48 hours of an injury. It will make a very big difference in severity and recovery time.

jag

:up:

[Babs Gordon]

:heart: ice

[jaguarr]

And don't pick at it or it will get infected.

jag

[squeekness]

And don't pick at it or it will get infected.

jag
*wonders how you can pick at a groin pull, but isn't sure she really wants to know* :p :D

[Super Kal]

wow... I just jogged for the longest time in my entire life...

two minutes, 55 seconds.

for a guy who's at 285 and never really jogged in his life, that's an incredible achievement... and I could keep walking if my ankles didn't start to hurt.

okay, now on to a small concern:
I can't begin to say how much I'm starting to walk and jog, but I am a bit concerned... I just did 1.2 miles inside a house walking around a small circle. Even though it's cardio, does it hinder the overall experience by doing the cardio inside the house as compared to walking outside on uneven ground and gravel?

Also for some reason, I was walking and jogging without shoes on... is that unhealthy? I can always put on shoes and socks, but when I start walking, my ankles start to become inflamed, and that becomes a problem when I'm walking outside.

[kainedamo]

How hard are bellies to get rid of?

Unfortunately, I've developed a bit of a belly. Earlier this year, I started going to the gym, doing 2 classes a week of hour long excercise. I also jogged regularly too. I eat properly. I don't eat any junk. I'll have the occasional pizza but thats it. I eat lots of fruit each day and vegetables with every dinner. I don't overeat. I started doing 4 days a week at the gym, two of the classes being an hour long on the indoor bike. A big calorie burner. I jogged every wedensday too. But I stopped the jogging, because jogging always ends up hurting my ankles.

Anyway, I sort of lost the will for the gym and stopped going. I wasn't seeing much progress on the belly, and I had been going to the gym for about two months.

[jaguarr]

How hard are bellies to get rid of?

Unfortunately, I've developed a bit of a belly. Earlier this year, I started going to the gym, doing 2 classes a week of hour long excercise. I also jogged regularly too. I eat properly. I don't eat any junk. I'll have the occasional pizza but thats it. I eat lots of fruit each day and vegetables with every dinner. I don't overeat. I started doing 4 days a week at the gym, two of the classes being an hour long on the indoor bike. A big calorie burner. I jogged every wedensday too. But I stopped the jogging, because jogging always ends up hurting my ankles.

Anyway, I sort of lost the will for the gym and stopped going. I wasn't seeing much progress on the belly, and I had been going to the gym for about two months.

How many times have we answered pretty much this exact same question for you in this thread in the past year? Seriously. I can recall answering you at least twice, myself.

jag

[kainedamo]

The belly question specifically??

[jaguarr]

The belly question specifically??

Yes. We've told you how to lose fat before (and other people for that matter).

jag

[Super Kal]

Yes. We've told you how to lose fat before (and other people for that matter).

jag
keep at it, right?

[AndThePickles]

My allergies are making me feel like death today :csad: I really hope that cardio gives me some nice endorphins tonight!

[Super Kal]

any advice on my situation, jaguarr?

[Babs Gordon]

Unless it's really cold outside cardio is cardio. The only difference is that unless you're on a treadmill that can incline, outside you have more opportunity to go up and down hills working different muscle groups.

Also, at your weight you definitely want to be supporting your feet. It will be mighty hard to walk or run in the future if you mess up your feet now. Make sure you have walking/running shoes that fit properly. If you live in a place that has a running store, they can fit you with a shoe that works with your needs.

[jaguarr]

any advice on my situation, jaguarr?

Keep at it. ;)

Seriously, though, are you using something like fitday.com to help you get your diet in order? That's what will make or break you. I'd stay low impact for awhile and gravitate between walking and power-walking. The running might be too much for your joints until you drop more of the weight. Indoors or outdoors won't make too much of a difference, though I suspect the view outdoors might offer a bit more variety. I know you have some foot issues. To be honest, exercising without proper arch support might make them worse, so I'd get some good walking shoes. Did you ever try my suggestion of getting some inexpensive Dr. Scholl's orthotic inserts to see if they helped?

jag

[Super Kal]

Keep at it. ;)

Seriously, though, are you using something like fitday.com to help you get your diet in order? That's what will make or break you.
i did start using that, but I kinda lost track for a while... I just started doing about 1.2 miles each day, and then weigh myself at the end of every month, and just eat fish and chicken...

but I'll try and give it another go...
I'd stay low impact for awhile and gravitate between walking and power-walking. The running might be too much for your joints until you drop more of the weight. Indoors or outdoors won't make too much of a difference, though I suspect the view outdoors might offer a bit more variety.
where I live, inside offers more variety... that's how incredibly boring it is out here in Florida...

seriously though, with the jogging I did today, it was exhilarating..., and the best thing was, had it not been for me being out of breath, I would of kept going, but all in all, I usually get kinda flustered when I walk outside, but when I jogged to the song I was listening to, I wasn't flustered in the least bit... My heart wasn't even beating as fast as I thought it would, which was kinda weird...

I know you have some foot issues. To be honest, exercising without proper arch support might make them worse, so I'd get some good walking shoes. Did you ever try my suggestion of getting some inexpensive Dr. Scholl's orthotic inserts to see if they helped?

jag
to be honest, this was the first time I exercised without any shoes or anything, but I will give the shoes another try again tomorrow...

I haven't gotten to those orthotic inserts yet... too broke at the moment, but next week, I'll see what I can do. :up:

[squeekness]

wow... I just jogged for the longest time in my entire life...

two minutes, 55 seconds.

for a guy who's at 285 and never really jogged in his life, that's an incredible achievement... and I could keep walking if my ankles didn't start to hurt.

okay, now on to a small concern:
I can't begin to say how much I'm starting to walk and jog, but I am a bit concerned... I just did 1.2 miles inside a house walking around a small circle. Even though it's cardio, does it hinder the overall experience by doing the cardio inside the house as compared to walking outside on uneven ground and gravel?

Also for some reason, I was walking and jogging without shoes on... is that unhealthy? I can always put on shoes and socks, but when I start walking, my ankles start to become inflamed, and that becomes a problem when I'm walking outside.
I am no expert but I will tell you this, a stationary bike would be much better on your legs. You'll actually burn more calories for the same length of time, and it's less stress on your body. Buy a bike trainer or bike stand and put a real bike in it. Racers use these indoors to keep in shape during off weather. A real bike will be much better for your ass, too. I found that the seats on exercise bikes were much too small and my ass would give out before my legs (I ain't got no padding, man. It's all on my belly! :p). With a real bike you can put any seat you want on it and you might be mroe comfortable. My feet hurt me plenty if I am on them too long, including walking, but the bike doesn't bother them at all because you are not supporting all of your weight on them the whole time. Plus, a bike trainer holds the bike so well, your hands are free. I find my ride time goes by faster when I can read at the same time. :)

[Super Kal]

I'll definitely consider that, but at the time being, with financial issues, walking is the only logical and financial thing I can do...


but I will definitely consider that in the future.

[squeekness]

Yeah, I know what you mean. The set up cost me $200 (I already had a bike, good 'ol Wal-Mart special mountain bike). But you know, I got more use out of that than the treadmill I bought for about the same money and my waist noticed it as well. Good luck with your wieght loss, I know it can be hard, but just remember, it's a journey, not a race. Don't feel bad if it takes you a while. :up:

[Super Kal]

well, unfortunately for me, it is a bit of a race... a very long one, but one nonetheless.

I'm definitely gonna try though, and I'm not gonna give up... I can't afford to give up.

[Babs Gordon]

If you'd rather just get an exercise bike, get a spin bike that you can pop a regular bike saddle onto. The shape/fit of a bike saddle is hugely important (everyone's but bones are a different width). However, it will take a week or two to get the butt calluses to develop so don't mistake butt callus production for a poor saddle fit. Also get toeclips that you can tighten around your feet.

One day I will have a trainer though... maybe when I stop spending my money on bike parts, I will get one.

[mrvlknight21]

well, unfortunately for me, it is a bit of a race... a very long one, but one nonetheless.

I'm definitely gonna try though, and I'm not gonna give up... I can't afford to give up.

Stick with it, try to add some time everytime out, but find other things to burn calories also so not to get bored. Good luck!

[jaguarr]

well, unfortunately for me, it is a bit of a race... a very long one, but one nonetheless.

I'm definitely gonna try though, and I'm not gonna give up... I can't afford to give up.


Just remember, you didn't put that weight on in a month, it's not going to come off that fast, either. It takes time and consistency with your diet and cardio. You're on the right track. Keep going. :up:

jag

[Super Kal]

Just remember, you didn't put that weight on in a month, it's not going to come off that fast, either. It takes time and consistency with your diet and cardio. You're on the right track. Keep going. :up:

jag
oh, of course... I just want to lose as much as I can for the next time we meet with the family, which will be this upcoming Christmas...

[Sun_Down]

well, unfortunately for me, it is a bit of a race... a very long one, but one nonetheless.

I'm definitely gonna try though, and I'm not gonna give up... I can't afford to give up.

You've got the right attitude and that is truly half the battle. Keep that attitude and you can't lose. :up:

[Babs Gordon]

At a healthy pound per week that could be a solid 30-40 pounds lighter by then. 8')

[user123456789]

Figuring out your CALORIE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie) requirements (2-STEP PROCESS):
Step 1: Calculate your BMR (http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/) (WHAT'S BMR? CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate)
Step 2: Multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity level modifier (http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/)
If <20% BF:
For cutting (CALORIE DEFICIT), I suggest -200 cals. For bulking (CALORIE SURPLUS), I suggest +200 cals
If >20% BF:
For cutting (CALORIE DEFICIT), I suggest -500 cals. For bulking (CALORIE SURPLUS), YOU DELUSIONAL? CUT!
Figuring out your MACRONUTRIENT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macronutrient) ratios:

I recommend:
1.5g of protein per lb of bodyweight
20% of your calories should come from healthy fats (40% POLYUNSATURATED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyunsaturated_fat), 30% MONOUNSATURATED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monounsaturated_fat), & 30% SATURATED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat))
Carbs are up to you (I PREFER TO KEEP COMPLEX CARBS AT BREAKFAST, PREWORKOUT, AND POSTWORKOUT)

Other important tips:
Meal size & frequency are not set in stone. (FYI SMALLER/MORE FREQUENT MEALS YEILDS FOR OPTIMAL ABSORPTION OF NUTRIENTS)
I recommend P+C+F (P = Protein, C = Carbohydrate, F = Fat) in every meal except:
preWO (P+C)
immediate post workout (P+C)
and bedtime (P+F)
Eat your fruits & veggies!
Drink at least 1 gallon of pure water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water#Human_uses) a day
Food Journal: FITDAY.COM (http://www.fitday.com/)

Food Database: NUTRITIONDATA.COM (http://www.nutritiondata.com/)

FDA Guidelines For Food Labels: FDA DEFINITIONS (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1526221)

Proteins:

Egg Whites
Chicken
Turkey
Beef
Pork
Tuna / Salmon / Seafood
Tofu
Whey protein powder
Casein protein powder
Essentially most any other source of protein
Complex Carbohydrates:

Oats (ALL KINDS), oat bran, oat bran cereal (I.E. CHEERIOS)
Potatoes (ALL KINDS)
Rice (ALL KINDS)
Pasta (ALL KINDS)
Bread (ALL KINDS)
Beans (ALL KINDS)
Simple Carbohydrates:

Maltodextrin (FOR DURING/POST WORKOUT)
Dextrose (FOR DURING/POST WORKOUT)
Other Carbohydrates (FIBROUS):

Fruits
Vegetables
Fats: DO NOT FEAR FAT! (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=936089)

Egg Yolks (EAT YOUR YOLKS! DIETARY CHOLESTEROL IS GOOD FOR YOU!) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=937460)
Nuts (ALL KINDS)
Peanut/Almond butter
Egg yolks
Avocados
Fatty Fish
Fish oil
Olive oil
Dairy:
Milk (ALL KINDS)
Cottage Cheese (LOW-FAT or FAT FREE)
Yogurt (LOW-FAT or FAT FREE)
Stay away from:
Empty calories (I.E. NON-DIET SODA)
High fructose corn syrup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup) aka HFCS (CHECK INGREDIENT PANEL)
Synthetic trans fats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat)
**THE ABOVE ARE JUST GUIDELINES... IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBLITY TO LISTEN TO YOUR BODY AND ADJUST AS NECESSARY**

[hey yo its sean]

Oh, boyscouT. You're so dreamy. :heart: :heart:

[squeekness]

If you'd rather just get an exercise bike, get a spin bike that you can pop a regular bike saddle onto. The shape/fit of a bike saddle is hugely important (everyone's but bones are a different width). However, it will take a week or two to get the butt calluses to develop so don't mistake butt callus production for a poor saddle fit. Also get toeclips that you can tighten around your feet.

One day I will have a trainer though... maybe when I stop spending my money on bike parts, I will get one.I love my trainer. What's cool about it is you can easily pop your regular bike in and out of it at will so it's not like you lose the use of your bike for outside. :) I have a nice big fat gel seat for my ass so I am comfortable there for a good while.

[Super Kal]

At a healthy pound per week that could be a solid 30-40 pounds lighter by then. 8')

You've got the right attitude and that is truly half the battle. Keep that attitude and you can't lose. :up:
:) :up:

I've already lost 10 pounds... and that's 10 pounds closer to my goal.

[Sun_Down]

:) :up:

I've already lost 10 pounds... and that's 10 pounds closer to my goal.

Nice work :up:

I'm trying to gain 10 lbs, wanna trade? :D

[Super Kal]

Nice work :up:

I'm trying to gain 10 lbs, wanna trade? :D
lol, sure

[MST3K 4ever]

well, unfortunately for me, it is a bit of a race... a very long one, but one nonetheless.

I'm definitely gonna try though, and I'm not gonna give up... I can't afford to give up.

That makes 2 of us...I got my blood-work back about a week ago. Let me just say the results weren't exactly wonderful.

I am already seeing a a difference in the way I feel...the way I treat others and I have a lot more stamina during the day and I need it to keep up with a 3 year old.

Every now and then when I am downstairs he grabs the handles of my Bowflex and says, "I'm working out...1,2,3...."

[jaguarr]

MST3K, anything in particular stand out about your bloodwork? Two years ago I had high triglycerides, high cholesterol, high blood pressure and was heading towards Metabolic Syndrome and possibly diabetes down the line (all with out being overweight, to boot), and low testosterone. I reversed all of those things without drugs, except for the low test, so if I can be of any help, just holler. :up:

jag

[Majin Boo]

I Jogg/walk 4 miles in 1 hour everyday, is that too slow?

[Babs Gordon]

I love my trainer. What's cool about it is you can easily pop your regular bike in and out of it at will so it's not like you lose the use of your bike for outside. :) I have a nice big fat gel seat for my ass so I am comfortable there for a good while.

I like to force myself to use the normal saddle I have. It's a women's style, suited for my wider set butt bones. If I got a real cushy one though I'd never get the butt calluses I need for the season. Grrr. Once the snow is gone I am not looking forward to the sore rear end stage.

Right now I've got myself on an elliptical training program. I bump up the resistance one level every third time I use it for 40 minutes at a time. Mostly I watch the calories per minute at each level and when they've gone up 3 or 4 calories per minute at one level, i'll move on to the next resistance.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I Jogg/walk 4 miles in 1 hour everyday, is that too slow?

It depends on what you're shooting for, if it's for fat burning then that sounds about right. I think between a 12-16 min mile is what is ideal for fat burning. If you are shooting for more endurance and to develop your cardiovascular system you might want to bump it down to a 10 min mile pace.

I was at an 8 min mile pace over the summer, I worked my way up to 2 miles by the end of the summer. Still felt like my cardio system wasn't where I wanted it to be.

[Majin Boo]

i want to burn fat, alot of it.

[mrvlknight21]

I am doing a good bit of running these days. When I run 1 mile or 1 1/2 miles, I do about 6:30-7 minute pace. When I do 2.5 or more, I do about 11 minute mile pace.
But, you said, jog/walk and as Humbug said, it is dependant on your goals.

[mrvlknight21]

i want to burn fat, alot of it.

Depending on your current fitness level, sprints are optimal for fat loss. But, If you do not have an aerobic base, do not try to start these. I am not suggesting only sprints, but maybe adding them once a week to what you are doing.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

i want to burn fat, alot of it.

Well if you are really shooting to burn fat that occurs after 20 mins of cardio activity at a moderate pace.

From what I remember off the top of my head your ideal target heart rate for burning fat is 60-85% (some say 75-85%) of your max.

More on that here.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/moser9.htm

[Majin Boo]

doublepost

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Depending on your current fitness level, sprints are optimal for fat loss. But, If you do not have an aerobic base, do not try to start these. I am not suggesting only sprints, but maybe adding them once a week to what you are doing.


Yeah I remember when we used to run sprints in football practice (of course I was in high school then), but man did I and everyone else drop weight fast. Of course we ran so many so hard in the summer that we probably dropped some muscle mass as well, but still, the fat just shed off my body. A lot of water weight as well, but I was really, really lean. Of course really skinny too, but I doubt I was more than 10% body fat at the time.

But as Knight said, you only want to incorporate them once or twice a week, depending on your goal and fitness level. Sprints are also great muscle builders for your legs. Due to they target your fast twitch muscles which are used for fast, powerful explosive moves.

[Majin Boo]

cool, thanks.

this is somehow how i break down my 4 miles.

1 mile jog

.5 mile walk
.5 mile jog

.5 mile walk
.5 mile jog

.5 mile walk
.5 mile jog

dont know if doing it like that is optimal though

[mrvlknight21]

Yeah I remember when we used to run sprints in football practice (of course I was in high school then), but man did I and everyone else drop weight fast. Of course we ran so many so hard in the summer that we probably dropped some muscle mass as well, but still, the fat just shed off my body. A lot of water weight as well, but I was really, really lean. Of course really skinny too, but I doubt I was more than 10% body fat at the time.

But as Knight said, you only want to incorporate them once or twice a week, depending on your goal and fitness level. Sprints are also great muscle builders for your legs. Due to they target your fast twitch muscles which are used for fast, powerful explosive moves.

Actually, I doubt you lost muscle mass form the sprints, if "cardio" causes a loss of muscle, it usually occurs from long slow distance (and possibly not feeding them enough protein). Sprints are actually shown to burn fat long after the exercise is complete and increase growth hormone as well. Look at a sprinter's body and look at a marathon runners body and this is obvious (yes, there are other training/diet differences between the two, but the point remains).

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Actually, I doubt you lost muscle mass form the sprints, if "cardio" causes a loss of muscle, it usually occurs from long slow distance (and possibly not feeding them enough protein). Sprints are actually shown to burn fat long after the exercise is complete and increase growth hormone as well. Look at a sprinter's body and look at a marathon runners body and this is obvious (yes, there are other training/diet differences between the two, but the point remains).

Yeah, but I'm sure I lost some, I mean I didn't eat even the minimum in protein to maintain my muscle development. But I get your point :up:

As for sprinters, I remember Michael Johnson had some of the most ripped arms and shoulder I have ever seen.

[mrvlknight21]

Yeah M.J. is awesome, great definition all over, you could see veins everywhere.
Yeah, in high school, I was like you, busted ass on the football field and ate Twinkies afterwards! I had no knowledge of nutrition! During a basketball game, I ate chocolate chip cookies in the locker room at halftime! Im serious!
Youre right, definitely need protein to maintain that muscle!

[Babs Gordon]

I met Michael Johnson. Yeah, he had some beautiful guns.

[Babs Gordon]

This thread is an interesting read, but I wonder how different it would be if it were geared toward women. There's a lot of information in here that might hold true for both sexes, but I know there are some big differences that should be highlighted that just aren't in here.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Is this true?

f you are going to supplement, supplement properly. You should ingest approximately 1 to 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight each day. You should also eat a considerably large amount of calories. Remember though, that you should be getting most of your protein, calories, etc. from food and what you can't get, needs to be made up with supplements. Right now, I am eating between 2000 to 3000 calories a day because I'm preparing for a bodybuilding competition. Like I said earlier, you should be able to gain approximately 1-2 lbs. of muscle per 100 lbs. of bodyweight each week.


1-2lbs of muscle per 100lbs per week? :eek: I thought it was a good year if you could put on 10lbs of lean muscle?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

This thread is an interesting read, but I wonder how different it would be if it were geared toward women. There's a lot of information in here that might hold true for both sexes, but I know there are some big differences that should be highlighted that just aren't in here.

Agreed, I'm helping my ex-gf refine her workouts and eating habits. Her aunt lost a lot of weight by exercising and cutting down on the size of her meals. She still ate the same things (she eats healthy btw), but just ate 5-6 smaller meals to lose weight.

Of course there are some major things she was leaving out in terms of nutrition, but she didn't starve herself or stop eating, and when she craved it she would have the occasional junk food or sweet. But she usually did it by eating off of her kids plate and only taking a few bites at most of something, cake, brownies or cookies.

Unfortunately she lost a lot of her ass too :(

[TheDeparted]

I'm an avid lifter... I wiegh just under 200 lbs... I'm 6;3" and have about 5% body fat..... well, i'm trying to gain some more mass.... right now my arms are just sigh of 20"... not sure about my chest, but it's pretty big....

my question is... I'm taking a NO2 supplement righ tnow... it's working great... I did shoulders and triceps tonight, and I litteraly have new stretch marks all over my shoulders... I got new viens popping out, and my muscles feel great.... but, is NO2 safe??? my muscles have felt so great... and every workout is awesome... no tired muscle days.... I'm just afraid I will mess up my kidneys or cause some heart damage... I've done research,... but all the sources I find are by Nitirc oxide manufactures, and i really don't trust everything they say.... any help will be great... THANKS!!!

[Babs Gordon]

If something is remotely iffy I wouldn't even bother with it. Why risk the long term side effects for a few years of good muscle tone? To what end? Worth it? Questionable.

[TheDeparted]

If something is remotely iffy I wouldn't even bother with it. Why risk the long term side effects for a few years of good muscle tone? To what end? Worth it? Questionable.

well that's what i'm questioning... if it even is "iffy" as you said...

everything I read said it was great to use... no side effects except for diahera....

[squeekness]

If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. Just because a suppliment may be natural doesn't mean your body is going to like having it in there.

[TheDeparted]

If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. Just because a suppliment may be natural doesn't mean your body is going to like having it in there.

hey you..... how's it going

but, i'm just worried... my fiance is pregnant... want to be around for awhile and making sure i'm not screwing over my health for some abs and pecs

[Babs Gordon]

I'm not much of a supplement person beyond a multi-vitamin (flintstones! yeah!). Humans were not designed to take supplements. They were designed to injest nutrients in the form of food. Then again I'm an organic freak when it comes to food.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

hey you..... how's it going

but, i'm just worried... my fiance is pregnant... want to be around for awhile and making sure i'm not screwing over my health for some abs and pecs

If you don't know about it already, check out www.bodybuilding.com I'm sure they have to have some information on their site about it.

[TheDeparted]

I'm not much of a supplement person beyond a multi-vitamin (flintstones! yeah!). Humans were not designed to take supplements. They were designed to injest nutrients in the form of food. Then again I'm an organic freak when it comes to food.

but, like AKG. it's in everything you eat... just not all together.. you are just taking more, and together.... IDK....

[squeekness]

hey you..... how's it going

but, i'm just worried... my fiance is pregnant... want to be around for awhile and making sure i'm not screwing over my health for some abs and pecs
Hey, I am doing well. Dealing with a bit of arthritis, but coping. It makes it harder for me to work out but I keep trying. *squeekness is old* :p

I'm not much of a supplement person beyond a multi-vitamin (flintstones! yeah!). Humans were not designed to take supplements. They were designed to injest nutrients in the form of food. Then again I'm an organic freak when it comes to food.I am the same way, I am somewhat suspicious about suppliments. I even watched an episode of "Medical Detectives" where a woman died from overdosing on suppliments. Of course she was taking so many it was like all she ate was pills, she had an OCD condition about them, I guess. Humans are supposed to get what they need from food, not tablets. The thing is to eat a variety of foods to get as wide a range of nutrients. :)

[Babs Gordon]

Trace amounts of mercury are in lots of things we eat, but if we took more and together... I don't know. ;)

[TheDeparted]

Hey, I am doing well. Dealing with a bit of arthritis, but coping. It makes it harder for me to work out but I keep trying. *squeekness is old* :p

I am the same way, I am somewhat suspicious about suppliments. I even watched an episode of "Medical Detectives" where a woman died from overdosing on suppliments. Of course she was taking so many it was like all she ate was pills, she had an OCD condition about them, I guess. Humans are supposed to get what they need from food, not tablets. The thing is to eat a variety of foods to get as wide a range of nutrients. :)


yes, we are supposed to get them from our diet... but, so much food is full of crap, you aren't getting what you need... I gues, it's all in watching what you injest..... i'm going to take half the reccomened dosage... and see what happens,... I will cycle on and off too..... 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off.....

[Prodigy]

I'm not much of a supplement person beyond a multi-vitamin (flintstones! yeah!). Humans were not designed to take supplements. They were designed to injest nutrients in the form of food. Then again I'm an organic freak when it comes to food.

ditto for me. I don't take any supplements at all except a multivitamin. I used to take whey, but I stopped buying it and noticed I could still put on muscle just as easily with my normal nutrition and don't need it. especially since I'm not trying to put on any more muscle, just staying lean.

I helped a friend move out of his apartment into a new one across the street, and him and his roommate must have had more than $1000 in supplements in their kitchen. it was useless, they both had bellies, it was just turning into fat.

[Babs Gordon]

bwahaha. That's classic.

[jaguarr]

This thread is an interesting read, but I wonder how different it would be if it were geared toward women. There's a lot of information in here that might hold true for both sexes, but I know there are some big differences that should be highlighted that just aren't in here.

There are some differences, but primarily it really depends on your goals more than anything else. Most of the guys here either want to get ripped up or drop a lot of weight, so we usually discuss the things that will help them accomplish those goals. Most women are after a little firming up and maybe dropping a few pounds, and we really don't get that many questions about that in this thread. But, a lot of the same things still apply.

Is this true?

f you are going to supplement, supplement properly. You should ingest approximately 1 to 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight each day. You should also eat a considerably large amount of calories. Remember though, that you should be getting most of your protein, calories, etc. from food and what you can't get, needs to be made up with supplements. Right now, I am eating between 2000 to 3000 calories a day because I'm preparing for a bodybuilding competition. Like I said earlier, you should be able to gain approximately 1-2 lbs. of muscle per 100 lbs. of bodyweight each week.


1-2lbs of muscle per 100lbs per week? :eek: I thought it was a good year if you could put on 10lbs of lean muscle?

Yeah, not bloody likely. Where did you get this from?


I'm an avid lifter... I wiegh just under 200 lbs... I'm 6;3" and have about 5% body fat..... well, i'm trying to gain some more mass.... right now my arms are just sigh of 20"... not sure about my chest, but it's pretty big....

my question is... I'm taking a NO2 supplement righ tnow... it's working great... I did shoulders and triceps tonight, and I litteraly have new stretch marks all over my shoulders... I got new viens popping out, and my muscles feel great.... but, is NO2 safe??? my muscles have felt so great... and every workout is awesome... no tired muscle days.... I'm just afraid I will mess up my kidneys or cause some heart damage... I've done research,... but all the sources I find are by Nitirc oxide manufactures, and i really don't trust everything they say.... any help will be great... THANKS!!!

5% bodyfat is not a healthy bodyfat percentage. That is bodybuilding competition level bodyfat and is very, very low. To the point that it can cause health issues if you try to maintain that BF on a consistent basis. At 5%, every single vein and every single bump of muscle will show in vivid detail like you see on guys onstage in competition; in short, you will be shredded beyond freakin' belief. It's also not a bodyfat you just happen to get to. Competitive bodybuilders have to work their tails off with HUGE amounts of specifically timed cardio activity and weight training and eat a VERY controlled diet geared specifically for getting to that bodyfat ratio in order to achieve it. It's not something that just happens naturally. And, it's also pretty much impossible to add muscle mass at that BF ratio as well as your body needs higher bodyfat (around 10%+) in order to be able to effectively add lean muscle. Additionally, most people lose a significant amount of size when they go down to that bodyfat ratio, so for example your 20" arms would be around 22" at a 12% BF ratio (which is below normal BF, btw). You'll understand that most people will find the believability of such an arm size skeptical at best. I'm curious about how you came to the conclusion that you are 5% bodyfat.

NO2 has been touted as a major miracle supplement by some, snake oil by others. Here's a good primer on it:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/no2.html

Personally, I think it's snake oil. It produces a good pump but I don't believe it results in lasting long term muscle gains overall. Supplement companies make a mint off the stuff, so there's a lot of misinformation out there about it and the long-term effects of it on people's health is largely uknown. You can get a similar pump by placing a couple of vegetarian B-12 sublingual dots under your tongue about thirty minutes before a workout. NO2 products mostly use the primary component of L-Arginine, and some people use that stuff directly instead of the expensive NO2 supplements, but it also can present some potential health risks. One of those health risks is that it aggravates and inflames the air passages of asthma sufferers and has been known to induce sever breathing troubles, full blown asthma attacks, coronary arrest and even brain damage in those who suffer too much oxygen intake deficiency over time. Personally, it's not a supplement I ascribe to. :)

Cheers,
jag

[TheDeparted]

^it's my metabolism and the fact I love to run.... having low fat really sucks... yeah, my abs look awesome... but, i'm always cold.....

I can eat and eat and eat too..... I gain muscle like crazy though... kind of wierd....

how I know I'm 5%..... whatever those things are callled... those metal pincher things... they aren't exact I know... but that's what my came out with last time I did it with my personal trainer......

[squeekness]

LOL, enjoy that while it lasts. I wonder if you'll still have that problem when you're 40 like me. :D

[jaguarr]

^it's my metabolism and the fact I love to run.... having low fat really sucks... yeah, my abs look awesome... but, i'm always cold.....

I can eat and eat and eat too..... I gain muscle like crazy though... kind of wierd....

You don't get to 5% bodyfat without trying specifically to do it.

jag

[Babs Gordon]

I might be mistaken, but don't triathletes typically have body fat levels around 5-7%?

[TheDeparted]

I have it very easy in life... I'm pretty well off thanks to my parents... so, in my spare time I hit the gym..... I have a personal trainer who has worked with many body builders..... I take 2 grams of protien per body pound a day, along with No2, like mentioned above, creatine, glutamine, CLA, and a few other i can't even spell half way correct.... my workout regiment is very intense... and it's always changing... you know, to keep your body from slipping into a platuea.... I've been working out for years... but my biggest gains have taken place in the last year..

[TheDeparted]

You don't get to 5% bodyfat without trying specifically to do it.

jag


i'm not saying I don't try... becuase I do try to be in shape.... i do try... but i have a very high metabolism..... and I eat very good, thanks to help from a nutrietionist...... besides taking protien,... I eat very healthy... mostly salads... skinless, chicken breast... and lots of water...

[Babs Gordon]

My main problems with controlling my weight here at the boarding school where I live is that the food is given to us, as table heads we are expected to be examples for the children and eat everything and there's not a lot of options. The food is generally healthy whole grains and organic. It's pretty delicious too. But I'd like to drop ten pounds to improve my biking this season and I'm worried my diet will be too difficult to control until summertime when I can eat in my own apartment again.

[squeekness]

A woman with a body fat that low will no longer mensturate. I can't imagine that it is all that healthy for a man long term.

[TheDeparted]

I might be mistaken, but don't triathletes typically have body fat levels around 5-7%?

not sure... to be honest... this crazy runner at my gym has about a 3% body fat ratio.... dudes ripped as hell..

I remember Robert Brooks, who played for the Packers, has a 2% body fat ratio....

[jaguarr]

I might be mistaken, but don't triathletes typically have body fat levels around 5-7%?

For the hardcore pro level ones during peak competition season, around 7%, maybe., but probably closer to 8-9% The problem for triathletes is when you get to that bodyfat your glucogen stores are very small, which doesn't help endurance. It's a fine balance between optimal bodyweight/muscle-mass ratio and bodyfat percentage. Any lower than 7% and they'd have very little glucogen stores to enable them to keep up the endurance and speed they need. Tricky stuff.

jag

[TheDeparted]

A woman with a body fat that low will no longer mensturate. I can't imagine that it is all that healthy for a man long term.


I lived out in california for most of my life... and trust me.... many try.......

[jaguarr]

i'm not saying I don't try... becuase I do try to be in shape.... i do try... but i have a very high metabolism..... and I eat very good, thanks to help from a nutrietionist...... besides taking protien,... I eat very healthy... mostly salads... skinless, chicken breast... and lots of water...

I'm really not trying to rag on you, man. But 5% is something people have to go about a very specific way to get to, and it's rigorous and controlled as hell, no matter how fast their metabolism is. And anyone below 4% bodyfat is going to be dead in a very short time, btw. How did you surmise that you are at 5% bodyfat?

jag

[TheDeparted]

For the hardcore pro level ones during peak competition season, around 7%, maybe., but probably closer to 8-9% The problem for triathletes is when you get to that bodyfat your glucogen stores are very small, which doesn't help endurance. It's a fine balance between optimal bodyweight/muscle-mass ratio and bodyfat percentage. Any lower than 7% and they'd have very little glucogen stores to enable them to keep up the endurance and speed they need. Tricky stuff.

jag


I find it funny that many people run like crazy to lose wieght... I found the most efficent is jogging... my buddy brad, can run like a horse... but he's got a beer gut.... he can't seem to lose it, and when I give him advice.. he doesn't listen....

[TheDeparted]

I'm really not trying to rag on you, man. But 5% is something people have to go about a very specific way to get to, and it's rigorous and controlled as hell, no matter how fast their metabolism is. And anyone below 4% bodyfat is going to be dead in a very short time, btw. How did you surmise that you are at 5% bodyfat?

jag


how am i.... growing up in a image concerned house hold.... not being aloud to have a bowl of ice cream, or anything processed... all health food or oragnic food, all the time.... when i got into high school, I played basketball... parents hired me trainers... all day, I would be at school, then training, or praticing.... it's been my life style my hole life... being even a little fat in HS, was a no no.... my senior year, I developed a interest in wieght training... and i've been doing it ever since... I'm not trying to get huge... just big and toned... I haven't been this low all the time... it used to be about 7 to 8.... but to be honest, I've been working alot harder... trying to get leaner.... i'm there... but I'm not happy... energy levels are down.... I take many supplements to restore that energy... and it sucks... can't even sleep some nights...

[Babs Gordon]

He's asking you how you figured out that you're 5% body fat. I'm curious too.

[jaguarr]

how am i.... growing up in a image concerned house hold.... not being aloud to have a bowl of ice cream, or anything processed... all health food or oragnic food, all the time.... when i got into high school, I played basketball... parents hired me trainers... all day, I would be at school, then training, or praticing.... it's been my life style my hole life... being even a little fat in HS, was a no no.... my senior year, I developed a interest in wieght training... and i've been doing it ever since... I'm not trying to get huge... just big and toned... I haven't been this low all the time... it used to be about 7 to 8.... but to be honest, I've been working alot harder... trying to get leaner.... i'm there... but I'm not happy... energy levels are down.... I take many supplements to restore that energy... and it sucks... can't even sleep some nights...

That still won't get you to 5%. It's not a natural bodyfat percentage. It doesn't just happen because you have a fast metabolism, run a lot and eat organic foods all your life. I should also add that if you truly are down to that BF percentage, you may want to bring it up another 5 percentage points because it's seriously not a healthy bf ratio to maintain on a long term basis. It can cause some major health issues down the line.

Seriously, how did you measure your bodyfat? Did you measure with calipers? Bodyfat scale like an Omron? Tank measurement (by far the most accurate)?

jag

[TheDeparted]

He's asking you how you figured out that you're 5% body fat. I'm curious too.


I didnt'' my personal trainer did.... he just tells me.... maybe he lied to get me to think i'm leaner then i am... so he gets a bigger tip... who knows.... i'm just going by what he tells me... i'm seeing him again in 10 hours... i'll ask him how he figured it out....

he uses those caliper things.... btw

i have an option... i think it costs like 300... but it's a water tank test??? how do those work....

[TheDeparted]

That still won't get you to 5%. It's not a natural bodyfat percentage. It doesn't just happen because you have a fast metabolism, run a lot and eat organic foods all your life. I should also add that if you truly are down to that BF percentage, you may want to bring it up another 5 percentage points because it's seriously not a healthy bf ratio to maintain on a long term basis. It can cause some major health issues down the line.

Seriously, how did you measure your bodyfat? Did you measure with calipers? Bodyfat scale like an Omron? Tank measurement (by far the most accurate)?

jag


no offense, but I go by what my trainer tells me... i'm not saying i'm the healthiest in the world... I have trouble sleeping as of late....

[TheDeparted]

if you want... tomorrow, I'll get the pictures my trainer takes of me every month,... and post them on here... let you guys be the judge....

[Babs Gordon]

All right. I suppose I'll ask a flat out, unexciting question. By June I'd like to be in good cycling form. I.e. strong legs and core between 15-18% body fat. This means dropping about ten pounds of winter weight (argh!). I have been aiming to get in at least 40 minutes of cardio every day, anywhere from speedwalking, hiking a mountain, elliptical training or on a spin bike. There's still too much ice and snow here to get on my bike outside, but soon, I hope.

My personal trainer last summer had me in great shape doing a combination of weight training about an hour three times a week and then doing 30-40 minutes of cardio five days a week. Problem is I don't have time to weight train... my teaching/houseparenting schedule is super erratic leavinig me only hour long spots here and there which is not enough time to get into town to the gym :cmad:. Anyway, what can I do around home to reach my goal?

[TheDeparted]

All right. I suppose I'll ask a flat out, unexciting question. By June I'd like to be in good cycling form. I.e. strong legs and core between 15-18% body fat. This means dropping about ten pounds of winter weight (argh!). I have been aiming to get in at least 40 minutes of cardio every day, anywhere from speedwalking, hiking a mountain, elliptical training or on a spin bike. There's still too much ice and snow here to get on my bike outside, but soon, I hope.

My personal trainer last summer had me in great shape doing a combination of weight training about an hour three times a week and then doing 30-40 minutes of cardio five days a week. Problem is I don't have time to weight train... my teaching/houseparenting schedule is super erratic leavinig me only hour long spots here and there which is not enough time to get into town to the gym :cmad:. Anyway, what can I do around home to reach my goal?


you ever see the episode of south park "jared has aides"

just get lipo performed in your living room... you just need a knife, a house, and a bucket.... lol...

to be honest.... no idea.... no idea...

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

There are some differences, but primarily it really depends on your goals more than anything else. Most of the guys here either want to get ripped up or drop a lot of weight, so we usually discuss the things that will help them accomplish those goals. Most women are after a little firming up and maybe dropping a few pounds, and we really don't get that many questions about that in this thread. But, a lot of the same things still apply.



Yeah, not bloody likely. Where did you get this from?

I didn't think so. Here is the article link at the bottom reply.


5% bodyfat is not a healthy bodyfat percentage. That is bodybuilding competition level bodyfat and is very, very low. To the point that it can cause health issues if you try to maintain that BF on a consistent basis. At 5%, every single vein and every single bump of muscle will show in vivid detail like you see on guys onstage in competition; in short, you will be shredded beyond freakin' belief. It's also not a bodyfat you just happen to get to. Competitive bodybuilders have to work their tails off with HUGE amounts of specifically timed cardio activity and weight training and eat a VERY controlled diet geared specifically for getting to that bodyfat ratio in order to achieve it. It's not something that just happens naturally. And, it's also pretty much impossible to add muscle mass at that BF ratio as well as your body needs higher bodyfat (around 10%+) in order to be able to effectively add lean muscle. Additionally, most people lose a significant amount of size when they go down to that bodyfat ratio, so for example your 20" arms would be around 22" at a 12% BF ratio (which is below normal BF, btw). You'll understand that most people will find the believability of such an arm size skeptical at best. I'm curious about how you came to the conclusion that you are 5% bodyfat.

NO2 has been touted as a major miracle supplement by some, snake oil by others. Here's a good primer on it:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/no2.html

Personally, I think it's snake oil. It produces a good pump but I don't believe it results in lasting long term muscle gains overall. Supplement companies make a mint off the stuff, so there's a lot of misinformation out there about it and the long-term effects of it on people's health is largely uknown. You can get a similar pump by placing a couple of vegetarian B-12 sublingual dots under your tongue about thirty minutes before a workout. NO2 products mostly use the primary component of L-Arginine, and some people use that stuff directly instead of the expensive NO2 supplements, but it also can present some potential health risks. One of those health risks is that it aggravates and inflames the air passages of asthma sufferers and has been known to induce sever breathing troubles, full blown asthma attacks, coronary arrest and even brain damage in those who suffer too much oxygen intake deficiency over time. Personally, it's not a supplement I ascribe to. :)

Cheers,
jag

Here is the article Jag. I was under the impression it's hard enough to put on 1lb of solid muscle in a month.

http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/mike3.htm

As for the rest of Jag's response, I was going to put in my two cents. But I knew Jag would come along and say it better than I could. But I was thinking the same things pretty much. 5% body fat? 20" guns? hmmmm

[jaguarr]

Here is the article Jag. I was under the impression it's hard enough to put on 1lb of solid muscle in a month.

http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/mike3.htm


This is the guy that wrote that article:

http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/mikechest.jpg

You tell me if he looks like he really knows what the hell he's talking about.


As for the rest of Jag's response, I was going to put in my two cents. But I knew Jag would come along and say it better than I could. But I was thinking the same things pretty much. 5% body fat? 20" guns? hmmmm

Honestly, anyone with those kind of stats either worked specifically towards those goals or is a genetic freak and should be pursuing a career as a professional bodybuilder.

jag

[jaguarr]

This is what someone with 5% bodyfat and 20" arms looks like (actually his arms are more like 25"):

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/muscletime1big.jpg

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

All right. I suppose I'll ask a flat out, unexciting question. By June I'd like to be in good cycling form. I.e. strong legs and core between 15-18% body fat. This means dropping about ten pounds of winter weight (argh!). I have been aiming to get in at least 40 minutes of cardio every day, anywhere from speedwalking, hiking a mountain, elliptical training or on a spin bike. There's still too much ice and snow here to get on my bike outside, but soon, I hope.

My personal trainer last summer had me in great shape doing a combination of weight training about an hour three times a week and then doing 30-40 minutes of cardio five days a week. Problem is I don't have time to weight train... my teaching/houseparenting schedule is super erratic leavinig me only hour long spots here and there which is not enough time to get into town to the gym :cmad:. Anyway, what can I do around home to reach my goal?


Uh oh. this looks like a job for. Bah Humbbbug! :D :up:

I may not be able to get you into super great shape, but I can help you out, working out mostly at home myself, other than when I hit the track or basketball court and I don't have a home gym at my place, just some dumbells, weight plates, pull up bar, medince ball, swiss ball and a curl bar. There are tons of body weight exercises that you can utilize to get into shape.

Do you have any weights at your house? Or do you rely soley on the gym? If you don't mind a somewhat unsightly obstruction in one of your doorways a pull up bar is cheap ($15 at most) and very effective.

Medicine ball is another cheap and reliable piece of exercise equipment you can obtain easily and utilize for many different exercises.

And lastly, the all important swiss/balance ball. I got mine for $10 at Big 5.

Just to name a few

Lunges, Jumping Lunges (love these) Skip Jumps (basically skipping, but as high as you can with minimum distance forward). Farmers Walk, Calve Raises can be performed on stairs, defensive slides (basketball drill that is an excellent lower body workout, especially for your quads and glutes :up: ), Jump Squats, Jump Rope for your calves.


Medicine ball push ups (medicine balls can be utlized in many ways), military or plyo pushups, pull ups, dips (can use two chairs of even height for this exercise), inverted push ups etc.

Plank, side plank, a swiss ball can be used for lower back extension exercises, weighted swiss ball crunch and a lot more.

Sprints are great leg developers as well. :up:

Where do you currently stand right now? You said you want to obtain 15-18% body fat. Ideal weight or just strength development and fat loss?