The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[Colossal Spoons]

A lot of us here are actually trying to gain weight...

[Colossal Spoons]

Just remember Rest and Nutrition > Training.

For instance, today is leg/shoulders day for me. But the gym closes in 1.5 hours, and I won't be able to get there in time. I'm not sweating it, an extra rest day is always more beneficial than hurtful.

I"ll just wake up bright and early tomorrow and go lift at around 8am or so.

Are you gonna do leg/shoulders tom morning to make up for today or move on to you next group(chest/tris I think you said)?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

A lot of us here are actually trying to gain weight...

Holly is just an attention whore

[ShadowBoxing]

Are you gonna do leg/shoulders tom morning to make up for today or move on to you next group(chest/tris I think you said)?Double split training is either for those who are on steroids. Your body doesn't recover fast enough for double split naturally.

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly is just an attention whore

Thanks for your attention. I so desperatly desire it.

[user123456789]

Are you gonna do leg/shoulders tom morning to make up for today or move on to you next group(chest/tris I think you said)?

I'm going to proceed as normal, counting today as an extra rest day, is all.

So monday = leg /shoulders
tuesday = chest/tris
wednesday = back/bis
thursday = rest

and remember to stick in abs whenever you can, don't ignore them.

[Admiral_N8]

The easiest way to be in good shape is to be born naturally fit...its much better than all this "exercise" crap you guys do. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I end up doubling up on my excercises if I miss a day. Like one group early in the morning(the one I missed) and my regularly scheduled group in the afternoon/evening.

[user123456789]

Yeah, I end up doubling up on my excercises if I miss a day. Like one group early in the morning(the one I missed) and my regularly scheduled group in the afternoon/evening.

No.

[ShadowBoxing]

The easiest way to be in good shape is to be born naturally fit...its much better than all this "exercise" crap you guys do. :oVery few people are born with the genetics to be so...and even then exercise is needed to cultivate those genetics.

[Admiral_N8]

Very few people are born with the genetics to be so...and even then exercise is needed to cultivate those genetics.

True.

I feel bad sometimes for people who work so hard and watch what they eat yet cant get in shape at all :( ...especially compared to how easy it is for me. My friends go through all this work and stay the same, its funny, but still sucks. :down

I guess youre right, some people are born better genetically speaking.

[Colossal Spoons]

No.

Heh, I shan't be doing that anymore.

[user123456789]

Heh, I shan't be doing that anymore.

Remember what jag said, when it comes to weight lifting, more isn't necessarily better.

[Colossal Spoons]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=183638&d=1111080204

Ok, let's get one thing straight: A professional and/or athlete's workout routine is never something to be mimicked as they are just that....professionals.

But look at Dave's 3rd day. That's probably one of the most hectic lifting days I've seen. I'm trying to create a more "civilian" routine using that as the template.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Thanks for your attention. I so desperatly desire it.

You're welcome Holly.

[user123456789]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=183638&d=1111080204

Ok, let's get one thing straight: A professional and/or athlete's workout routine is never something to be mimicked as they are just that....professionals.

But look at Dave's 3rd day. That's probably one of the most hectic lifting days I've seen. I'm trying to create a more "civilian" routine using that as the template.

do you post there?

[Colossal Spoons]

Nah, was just looking for his routine and found that page of a magazine on that site. Do you?

[user123456789]

Nah, was just looking for his routine and found that page of a magazine on that site. Do you?

Hell yea, it's my new home.

[Colossal Spoons]

Word, I may have to check it out.

[user123456789]

Word, I may have to check it out.

It's an awesome site and forum, but beware...

Some of the articles on bb.com are stupid and just outright wrong...
90% of the posters don't know what they're doing, and are asking the other 10% for advice, when only 1% actually answers.

Luckily Jag and I are part of the 1% that try to help out as much as possible.

Look me up, "boyscouT" is my username.

[Colossal Spoons]

Registering now, same handle as here. I've got some knowledge in muscle physiology but most new lifters don't care nuthin about ATP and action potentials :(

[ShadowBoxing]

True.

I feel bad sometimes for people who work so hard and watch what they eat yet cant get in shape at all :( ...especially compared to how easy it is for me. My friends go through all this work and stay the same, its funny, but still sucks. :down

I guess youre right, some people are born better genetically speaking.Wow...arrogant much. If training is easy for you then you're either not working hard enough (or correctly, which I guarentee anyone who doesn't study fitness..isn't) or don't set your goals high enough. period. Genetically gifted simply deals with inner workings, not external results.

[jaguarr]

A lot of us here are actually trying to gain weight...

Read this article about clean bulking, then... (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1021940). Good stuff (besides the supplement they pimp in the article, everything else in it is great info).

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Gracias jag :up:

[jaguarr]

Wow...arrogant much. If training is easy for you then you're either not working hard enough or don't set your goals high enough. period. Genetically gifted simply deals with inner workings, not external results.

People who use the genetics argument are usually full of **** and have no idea what they're really talking about. Genetics, except in EXTREME cases, won't hold anybody back. Lack of self-discipline, a low fitness IQ, crappy diet and plain laziness WILL, though. There are plenty of champion, pro bodybuilders who overcame what some would like to call "poor gentics". And, trust me, as you get older you will discover that your ability to sculpt your body the way you like so training smarter, eating better, and being more informed about what you're doing become even more important. Things like increased stress, more committents, a slower metabolism and even screwy hormonal profiles get all of us, eventually, "good genetics" or not.

jag

[jaguarr]

Registering now, same handle as here. I've got some knowledge in muscle physiology but most new lifters don't care nuthin about ATP and action potentials :(

You can look me up over there as well. I'm usually in the Over 35 section and keep a journal in that section.

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

Does walking and running burn the same amount of calories?

[jaguarr]

Does walking and running burn the same amount of calories?

Depends on how long you're doing either activity for and at what intensity level. I know of powerwalkers who will definitely burn off more calories in 30 minutes of walking than someone who lightly jogs will. Walking is great exercise and definitely underrated by a lot of people because it's not considered high intensity (unless you're powerwalking).

jag

[AndThePickles]

Does anyone have any suggestions for a FEMALE trying to gain weight? I glanced at that bodybuilding.com forum in the women's section, and everyone seemed to be trying to slim down and lose weight, which is what the majority of women are trying to do, I guess.
Men seem to be the only ones actively trying to gain, and I know that as a woman I should be following a different routine....I just don't know where to go for advice.
I'm trying to gain some muscle tone and gain a bit of weight.

[jaguarr]

Does anyone have any suggestions for a FEMALE trying to gain weight? I glanced at that bodybuilding.com forum in the women's section, and everyone seemed to be trying to slim down and lose weight, which is what the majority of women are trying to do, I guess.
Men seem to be the only ones actively trying to gain, and I know that as a woman I should be following a different routine....I just don't know where to go for advice.
I'm trying to gain some muscle tone and gain a bit of weight.

Actually, a lot of the same things still apply to a woman that apply to a man who is bulking, so a lot of what has been said here still applies. For a woman's point of view, though, look up the following ladies over a the bb.com forums: dbflgirl, someday, ms_mac, Eileen and Hibiscu09 (most of them can be found in the Over 35 forum and have journals there). Those ladies all really know their stuff as far as a woman trying to build muscle goes. Tell 'em I sent you their way so they can blame me later. :D

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

People who use the genetics argument are usually full of **** and have no idea what they're really talking about. Genetics, except in EXTREME cases, won't hold anybody back. Lack of self-discipline, a low fitness IQ, crappy diet and plain laziness WILL, though. There are plenty of champion, pro bodybuilders who overcame what some would like to call "poor gentics". And, trust me, as you get older you will discover that your ability to sculpt your body the way you like so training smarter, eating better, and being more informed about what you're doing become even more important. Things like increased stress, more committents, a slower metabolism and even screwy hormonal profiles get all of us, eventually, "good genetics" or not.

jagYeah...I hear ya. Anyone who says "Its easy for me" I generally note two things about them. They usually have asethetics in some degree but I typically never see them improve, at all. Usually all of them train like powerlifters, despite not being in the shape to train like powerlifters. Any "strength gains" they get come from sloppy form and/or getting used to weight as opposed to actually gain mass. Anyone can "move" weight around, it's not hard. They also typically don't know how to isolate the area they are working and take too much help from spotters...and of course my favorite is the fact that they always need a "lift off" (If you cannot get the weight off the rack, I am thinking lifting its gonna be a problem as well). Of course the irony is 99.9% of gym goers do way too much weight. Lifting is all about control.

Diet of course is the next phase, even more important than training. Despite what some may believe, structured diet is not only key...it's the only way to get actual results. There are lots of teenagers/college students who work out and are merely showing how their youthful metabolisms are keeping them looking good...for now. Once you hit forty or thirty and that natural physique you had starts to deteriorate and that guy who structured his diet and trains like an animal is still looking 18 you'll understand exactly why all that was so important.

Generally, actually pretty much always I don't preach this stuff...especially when I am in the gym. I spot a lot of novices and sloppy lifters to say the least, and I realize the last thing they want is for me to correct their form and have their mind blown when it turns out that 185 wasn't their set of ten, but their set of 4.

[Holly Goodhead]

I want to go running but its rainy.

[user123456789]

I want to go running but its rainy.

So?

[Holly Goodhead]

So fix it! :rolleyes:

[black_dust]

So fix it! :rolleyes:
Get one of those hats with a small umberalla on top :D

[ShadowBoxing]

So fix it! :rolleyes:Run naked you won't get your clothes wet....there fixed.:up:

[Colossal Spoons]

I want to go running but its rainy.

Go anyway, it'll add dramtic effect. You can even hum the 'Rocky" song while you do it.

[Holly Goodhead]

No, worms are gross.

[Colossal Spoons]

Stop being a princess. You'll have shoes on right? Get out there and step on some worms!

[Holly Goodhead]

No, when I see worms I scream. Theyre so ugly, and theres no way im going to touch them...even if its with the bottom of my shoes.

[Colossal Spoons]

You know there's a 60% chance you have a worm in your stomach right now?

[Holly Goodhead]

Not listening

[user123456789]

Not listening

stop posting/spamming here, unless you have a legitimate question about fitness.

[Holly Goodhead]

stop posting/spamming here, unless you have a legitimate question about fitness.

Stop posting, youre ugly. :rolleyes: Ill post here if I want to ****ing post here. Deal with it

[ShadowBoxing]

No, when I see worms I scream. Theyre so ugly, and theres no way im going to touch them...even if its with the bottom of my shoes.
http://www.thesahara.fsnet.co.uk/wrms2005/worms_wet.jpg
There:up: :)

[user123456789]

Stop posting, youre ugly. :rolleyes: Ill post here if I want to ****ing post here. Deal with it

right.... gettin personal..

ps: i think you're cute

not really.

[ShadowBoxing]

Okay stop fighting both of you. I don't want my thread closed. BoyscouT is quiet right though, this is a fitness thread, fitness discussion only...a little joking around is fine, but a few posts is enough.

[user123456789]

First steps to living a healthier life, IMO:

Sleep for at least 8 hours a night.
Drink at least 1 gallon of pure water a day.

Now how easy is that!?

[Colossal Spoons]

^add a good multi-vitamin pill in there for good measure. In case people aren't eating properly :up:

[user123456789]

^add a good multi-vitamin pill in there for good measure. In case people aren't eating properly :up:

Well I figured i'd start with the free stuff first, lol.

[Colossal Spoons]

Don't be so quick to put water in the free category. I lived in NJ; where the tap water is near toxic:p and jugs of water can get pretty expensive.

[Holly Goodhead]

i take Centrium? I dont know if thats the name but theres a lot of colors on the bottle.

[Colossal Spoons]

Centrum Silver

"from A to Zinc"

[Holly Goodhead]

i guess

[Admiral_N8]

Wow...arrogant much. If training is easy for you then you're either not working hard enough (or correctly, which I guarentee anyone who doesn't study fitness..isn't) or don't set your goals high enough. period. Genetically gifted simply deals with inner workings, not external results.

Arrogant? No, I was just lucky enough to be born naturally fit no matter what I do or eat.

[Colossal Spoons]

i guess

Ever take the time to um...read the bottle?

[Holly Goodhead]

Ever take the time to um...read the bottle?

no?

[Colossal Spoons]

It could contain worm larvae(which are high in protein) and you'd just keep on takin it. Heh

[user123456789]

Don't be so quick to put water in the free category. I lived in NJ; where the tap water is near toxic:p and jugs of water can get pretty expensive.

Chop some wood and make a fire to purify the toxic NJ water.

[Holly Goodhead]

My biggest fear is getting a tapeworm.

[user123456789]

My biggest fear is getting a tapeworm.

That's your biggest fear?

[Holly Goodhead]

shut up

[The Last Meatbag]

Why are you afraid of getting a tapeworm?
You can eat and eat without worrying about getting fat :o

[Holly Goodhead]

Cause its gross.

[Colossal Spoons]

My biggest fear is getting a tapeworm.

1. Wash your hands after you use the bathroom
2. Don't go barefoot too much
3. Thoroughly cook your meat

:up:

[The Last Meatbag]

stay away from eating gross things and you won't get a gross tapeworm :o

[Holly Goodhead]

1. Wash your hands after you use the bathroom
2. Don't go barefoot too much
3. Thoroughly cook your meat

:up:

1. I carry Purel with me.
2. Ew
3. I dont eat meat

[Colossal Spoons]

Why are you afraid of getting a tapeworm?
You can eat and eat without worrying about getting fat :o

Heh, if only it worked that way. Tapeworms either: take an unoticable amount of nutrients away from you or coil up so many times that they literally clog up your intestines and cause feces to spill out into your guts.

That's the parasitology lesson for the day.

[ShadowBoxing]

Arrogant? No, I was just lucky enough to be born naturally fit no matter what I do or eat.No one is naturally fit, as we have explained. Unless you work hard at exercise and are a drill sergent about your diet and routine you hardly qualify as fit.

[Colossal Spoons]

1. I carry Purel with me.
2. Ew
3. I dont eat meat

1. Bacteria and parasites are becoming "super saiyan" and shrug off Purel.
2. Good
3. Veggies aren't safe either

[Holly Goodhead]

Heh, if only it worked that way. Tapeworms either: take an unoticable amount of nutrients away from you or coil up so many times that they literally clog up your intestines and cause feces to spill out into your guts.

That's the parasitology lesson for the day.

and im never sleeping again. :up:

[user123456789]

Heh, if only it worked that way. Tapeworms either: take an unoticable amount of nutrients away from you or coil up so many times that they literally clog up your intestines and cause feces to spill out into your guts.

That's the parasitology lesson for the day.

Damn next time put it in some spoiler tags lol.

[Colossal Spoons]

and im never sleeping again. :up:

Good. Fear leads to consciousness. Consciousness leads to caution. Cautious people tend to not get parasites. :up:

Damn next time put it in some spoiler tags lol.

Haha, people need to know this stuff. I am the light!

[Holly Goodhead]

Good. Fear leads to consciousness. Consciousness leads to caution. Cautious people tend to not get parasites. :up:

and that leads to me living in my closet, eating my hair.

[The Last Meatbag]

Heh, if only it worked that way. Tapeworms either: take an unoticable amount of nutrients away from you or coil up so many times that they literally clog up your intestines and cause feces to spill out into your guts.

That's the parasitology lesson for the day.

I hear you poop out little chunks of the tapeworm too :o

and they get up to like, 30 feet long

[Colossal Spoons]

I hear you poop out little chunks of the tapeworm too :o

and they get up to like, 30 feet long

The eggs come out on their own. If you're taking "deworming medicine", then the worm looses its grip on your intestines he he comes out in pieces. Yeah, 30 feet is about the max. Nasty huh.

[The Last Meatbag]

Nasty and cool......

I wanna secretly feed someone like 10 tapeworms and see what happens

[user123456789]

The eggs come out on their own. If you're taking "deworming medicine", then the worm looses its grip on your intestines he he comes out in pieces. Yeah, 30 feet is about the max. Nasty huh.

Yummy

[Colossal Spoons]

Nasty and cool......

I wanna secretly feed someone like 10 tapeworms and see what happens

You're a villain lol

What would be awesome is if there were a parasite that only took away saturated fats. I'd willingly sign up for one of those.

[Holly Goodhead]

im never coming in this thread again

[The Last Meatbag]

You're a villain lol

dont **** with me :mad:

[jaguarr]

No one is naturally fit, as we have explained. Unless you work hard at exercise and are a drill sergent about your diet and routine you hardly qualify as fit.

I'll invite anyone who thinks they're naturally fit to come and do just one workout with me. :D

jag

[jaguarr]

1. I carry Purel with me.
2. Ew
3. I dont eat meat

Maybe not, but you eat a lot of sushi and I guarantee you can get a hell of a tapeworm from sushi. Mmmmm.....

jag

[jaguarr]

Yeah...I hear ya. Anyone who says "Its easy for me" I generally note two things about them. They usually have asethetics in some degree but I typically never see them improve, at all. Usually all of them train like powerlifters, despite not being in the shape to train like powerlifters. Any "strength gains" they get come from sloppy form and/or getting used to weight as opposed to actually gain mass. Anyone can "move" weight around, it's not hard. They also typically don't know how to isolate the area they are working and take too much help from spotters...and of course my favorite is the fact that they always need a "lift off" (If you cannot get the weight off the rack, I am thinking lifting its gonna be a problem as well). Of course the irony is 99.9% of gym goers do way too much weight. Lifting is all about control.

Diet of course is the next phase, even more important than training. Despite what some may believe, structured diet is not only key...it's the only way to get actual results. There are lots of teenagers/college students who work out and are merely showing how their youthful metabolisms are keeping them looking good...for now. Once you hit forty or thirty and that natural physique you had starts to deteriorate and that guy who structured his diet and trains like an animal is still looking 18 you'll understand exactly why all that was so important.

Generally, actually pretty much always I don't preach this stuff...especially when I am in the gym. I spot a lot of novices and sloppy lifters to say the least, and I realize the last thing they want is for me to correct their form and have their mind blown when it turns out that 185 wasn't their set of ten, but their set of 4.

Couldn't agree more with everything you wrote. I'm one of those guys who didn't get smart and truly educated about my training and diet until I was past my thirties. Trust me, everyone's metabolism slows down at some point. And, a lot of people wind up with hormonal imbalances once you hit your thirties and forties as well. I discovered last year that I've developed low testosterone levels, myself, that I've boosted quite a bit through core compound lifts and proper diet. Was never a problem for me in my younger years and doesn't run in my family, so it goes to show it can get just about anyone. Your youth will fade. It is inevitable. It's how you address things for yourself that will make the difference, as you alluded to. If I only knew then what I knew now, as the saying goes. Thankfully, I'm still young enough to have done something about it as I have. A lot of guys aren't so lucky.

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

I'll invite anyone who thinks they're naturally fit to come and do just one workout with me. :D

jagExactly...they can join me on a fitness test or one of my "casual" 4 mile runs :D

[Admiral_N8]

Exactly...they can join me on a fitness test or one of my "casual" 4 mile runs :D

Oh oh pick me!!!!!11!!one!!1!

[Darren Daring]

Couldn't agree more with everything you wrote. I'm one of those guys who didn't get smart and truly educated about my training and diet until I was past my thirties. Trust me, everyone's metabolism slows down at some point. And, a lot of people wind up with hormonal imbalances once you hit your thirties and forties as well. I discovered last year that I've developed low testosterone levels, myself, that I've boosted quite a bit through core compound lifts and proper diet. Was never a problem for me in my younger years and doesn't run in my family, so it goes to show it can get just about anyone. Your youth will fade. It is inevitable. It's how you address things for yourself that will make the difference, as you alluded to. If I only knew then what I knew now, as the saying goes. Thankfully, I'm still young enough to have done something about it as I have. A lot of guys aren't so lucky.

jag

The most disturbing thing about this is the revelation that you're over forty and still act like you do:eek:

[user123456789]

Maybe not, but you eat a lot of sushi and I guarantee you can get a hell of a tapeworm from sushi. Mmmmm.....

jag

Damn I eat tons of sushi.

[Colossal Spoons]

^ I'll never eat sushi after knowing what I do about parasites. Ugh.

[Colossal Spoons]

Exactly...they can join me on a fitness test or one of my "casual" 4 mile runs :D

That's craziness lol. You know what? I really can't run; and I don't mean that in the out-of-shape way. I have almost no arch in my foot, so when I run I can't do that heel-toe thing and maximize my stride. I come down hard on my flat feet and it's HELL on my shins. I'll stick to biking and raquetball for my cardio.

[jaguarr]

The most disturbing thing about this is the revelation that you're over forty and still act like you do:eek:

I'm not over forty, but thanks for caring, Brodie. :)

jag

[user123456789]

hey jag,

i feel like utter crap. im goin to bed. no school for me today.

[jaguarr]

hey jag,

i feel like utter crap. im goin to bed. no school for me today.

That sucks, man. Sleep it off!

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

hey jag,

i feel like utter crap. im goin to bed. no school for me today.

Please stop spamming. Thanks

Whats the normal amount of calorie intake per day? I think its somewhere in this thread but im too lazy to look.

[jaguarr]

Whats the normal amount of calorie intake per day? I think its somewhere in this thread but im too lazy to look.

Depends on your age, current weight and fitness level and your goals.

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

I dont like eating/drinking things that are over 100 calories.

[Holly Goodhead]

Well most things are typically like 130 calories on average..but then I feel fat and guilty like I need to purge.

[jaguarr]

I dont like eating/drinking things that are over 100 calories.

Okay? :confused:

jag

[jaguarr]

Well most things are typically like 130 calories on average..but then I feel fat and guilty like I need to purge.

Go check out Fitday.com (http://www.fitday.com). It's free and will allow you to track your diet and activity from day to day and give you a break out of your macronutrients, caloric intake and whether that's sufficient for or too much for your goals. Don't get overly hung up on just the calorie content of any given thing you ingest. Look at the overall intake you do throughout the day. Eating 5-6 smaller/medium-sized meals throughout the day will be better for your system. Especially if you're trying to get the right ratios of proteins, complex carbs and essential fatty acids.

jag

[Bat Attack]

Originally Posted by Holly Goodhead
1. I carry Purel with me.
2. Ew
3. I dont eat meat
You and me both.

[Colossal Spoons]

Good job on that link jag. I'd currently been visiting my university dietician frequently to talk about my caloric intake and nutrients and what not. :up:

[AndThePickles]

Go check out Fitday.com (http://www.fitday.com). It's free and will allow you to track your diet and activity from day to day and give you a break out of your macronutrients, caloric intake and whether that's sufficient for or too much for your goals. Don't get overly hung up on just the calorie content of any given thing you ingest. Look at the overall intake you do throughout the day. Eating 5-6 smaller/medium-sized meals throughout the day will be better for your system. Especially if you're trying to get the right ratios of proteins, complex carbs and essential fatty acids.

jag

Awesome site :up: I can already tell that my daily calorie intake isn't high enough, this is a good way to keep track :)

[jaguarr]

It is remarkably easy to undereat. :)

jag

[Darren Daring]

I'm not over forty, but thanks for caring, Brodie. :)

jag

You're still past your thirties, whihc boggles de mind!

[jaguarr]

You're still past your thirties, whihc boggles de mind!

Only yours, man. Only yours. :)

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

^ I'll never eat sushi after knowing what I do about parasites. Ugh.

That's why you have an immune system. If it's strong you're good, if it's weak your ****ing weak and you're gonna die because you have a ****ing weak immune system. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Heh, if only it worked that way. The strongest immune system is gonna fail against enough eggs.

[jaguarr]

That's why you have an immune system. If it's strong you're good, if it's weak your ****ing weak and you're gonna die because you have a ****ing weak immune system. :up:

Unless you get the avian flu, in which case your bad-ass immune system will eat you alive. :)

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You guys are looking at this the wrong way.

[Abaddon]

I like jag sometimes.


What exercises would you guys recommend for building the upper body,specifically the arm muscles

[jaguarr]

You guys are looking at this the wrong way.

:D

jag

[jaguarr]

I like jag sometimes.


What exercises would you guys recommend for building the upper body,specifically the arm muscles

Well, the body is a system, man. It's all connected. If you really want to realize worthwhile gains you've got to work the whole thing, you know? You can work your arms all you want but if you're not working the rest of your body, your gains are going to be pretty minimal. Make sense?

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

you guys make me never want to eat again with all these parasites, diseases, and worms. :down

[Abaddon]

Well, the body is a system, man. It's all connected. If you really want to realize worthwhile gains you've got to work the whole thing, you know? You can work your arms all you want but if you're not working the rest of your body, your gains are going to be pretty minimal. Make sense?

jag


blahblahblah lots of work.I got it.:o:down

[jaguarr]

blahblahblah lots of work.I got it.:o:down

LOL! Alright, then. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I like jag sometimes.


What exercises would you guys recommend for building the upper body,specifically the arm muscles

I assume you mean size, if so low reps 4-8 heavy weigths, 3 sets. At least 3 exercises per muscle group.

[Colossal Spoons]

you guys make me never want to eat again with all these parasites, diseases, and worms. :down

That wasn't the point, you're just supposed to be aware now.

[AndThePickles]

I'm always super paranoid about making sure my meat is cooked long enough.

[kainedamo]

Yo, check this out! So I've finally started jogging. I was jogging yesterday and today. I did like people said, jogged for two minutes, walk for two minutes, and repeat for about half an hour. Man, both times I was exhausted. But I felt great, I really did. It's great to get out doors and just run about like a mad man. Gonna do it tomorrow, and every day hopefully. Only thing is, I put it off to yesterday because I hurt my toe 2 weeks ago. My toe still hurts, but I don't wanna hold back anymore, I wanna jog damnit!

So yeah. I was thinking when I get home from my morning jog, I'll do a few situps and crunches too, which I did this morning. 30 crunches and 30 situps. Heck, maybe I'll go nuts and throw in some pressups. I'm out of control!!

It's unbelievable how fat I've gotten over the last few months. It's my birthday tomorrow. If I get enough birthday money, I'll buy myself a digital camera. And I'll take a picture of my fat belly. Then maybe I'll take a pic of my belly once every week, to see if the jogging makes a difference and as incentive to keep the jogging up.

[Colossal Spoons]

Glad you're making the necessary moves to get fit. Congrats man!

[jaguarr]

Self photos are a great way to gauge your progress. They show far more than you'll see in the mirror. Take them in the same place and in the same light every time. Monthly progress pics are usually the best way to go. You probably won't see a HUGE amount of change on a weekly basis.

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

yes very good

[Colossal Spoons]

Self photos are a great way to gauge your progress. They show far more than you'll see in the mirror. Take them in the same place and in the same light every time. Monthly progress pics are usually the best way to go. You probably won't see a HUGE amount of change on a weekly basis.

jag

Heh, the mirrors in my dorm room are concave so they make me look like a wrestler when I look into it. Very decieving lol, they add a cool 10 lbs of muscle easy.

[Holly Goodhead]

I would die if I had no mirrors.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah I should have done that but I usually get lazy and forget to take them. So I just focused on working out consistently. Lost 16lbs in the past 3 1/1 months. And am down to roughly 15% body fat. Veins and definition really starting to become visible.

Of course I have never really been over weight, just recently when I was injured. But I have always been able to lose weight fast and have had a relatively low body fat %.

[user123456789]

my neck has gotten alot thicker

:up:

[jaguarr]

I'm bad about the pictures as well, BAH. I get more fixated on staying consistent with my workouts and diet. I can see progress in the mirror, but it's deceiving because you look at yourself every day and don't notice the changes as readily over time. I've added roughly 25 lbs. of muscle in the last year or so and leaned out quite a bit and my friends and family keep telling me how I'm really getting big. I really didn't pay it much mind, though, until I broke out the summer clothes and discovered that none of them fit anymore. I had to buy a new summer wardrobe because everything's too small for me, now. Whoops!

jag

[user123456789]

yo jag i've never seen a pic of you.

you have one in your journal?

[jaguarr]

yo jag i've never seen a pic of you.

you have one in your journal?

I do in my OLD journal, but it's from last June. I'm going to try to do some new ones sometime in the next week or two.

jag

[user123456789]

I do in my OLD journal, but it's from last June. I'm going to try to do some new ones sometime in the next week or two.

jag

werd.

im due for some progress pics at the end of this month.

[Holly Goodhead]

I run 4 miles a day.

[jaguarr]

I run 4 miles a day.

Doesn't that make it hard to light your cigarettes? :confused:

jag

[user123456789]

Doesn't that make it hard to light your cigarettes? :confused:

jag

wtf holly u smoke?

[Holly Goodhead]

I dont smoke

[jaguarr]

I dont smoke

Yes you do? :confused:

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

I think I would know if I did or did not.

[user123456789]

ah, must be dat dere reefer.

[jaguarr]

I think I would know if I did or did not.

Alright, did you used to smoke, then?

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

I've smoked before, but its not a daily activity. I cant even remember the last time I smoked.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm bad about the pictures as well, BAH. I get more fixated on staying consistent with my workouts and diet. I can see progress in the mirror, but it's deceiving because you look at yourself every day and don't notice the changes as readily over time. I've added roughly 25 lbs. of muscle in the last year or so and leaned out quite a bit and my friends and family keep telling me how I'm really getting big. I really didn't pay it much mind, though, until I broke out the summer clothes and discovered that none of them fit anymore. I had to buy a new summer wardrobe because everything's too small for me, now. Whoops!

jag

Yeah it's a pain but man does it help if you do it. I agree you really don't notice the day to day changes since progress is slow. But if you look at old pics or suddenly 4 months later you look in the mirrow you're like damn. Where did that come from. It's an odd thing.

[jaguarr]

Yeah it's a pain but man does it help if you do it. I agree you really don't notice the day to day changes since progress is slow. But if you look at old pics or suddenly 4 months later you look in the mirrow you're like damn. Where did that come from. It's an odd thing.

Yeah, it can be pretty startling to see the changes in photos. You really don't notice them day to day.

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

People tell me I look skinnier, but I dont see it. I see rolls and pudge. I want lipo now.

[Socrates]

People tell me I look skinnier, but I dont see it. I see rolls and pudge. I want lipo now.

You look really skinny, actually.

[Carter]

Yeah, it can be pretty startling to see the changes in photos. You really don't notice them day to day.

jag

Yeah, I saw this one photo from 3 years ago, when I was on vacation and I was about 30 pounds overweight. It really blew me away how fat I looked that summer.

[jaguarr]

People tell me I look skinnier, but I dont see it. I see rolls and pudge. I want lipo now.

Have you tried a shop-vac in the comfort of your own home for that? :confused:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

People tell me I look skinnier, but I dont see it. I see rolls and pudge. I want lipo now.

Lipo is horrible. Don't do it.

[Holly Goodhead]

You look really skinny, actually.

No I dont

[Socrates]

No I dont

But you're like the epitome of petite. :confused:

[Carter]

She always looked kinda chubby to me

[Holly Goodhead]

I could lose a good 15 pounds.

[ShadowBoxing]

People tell me I look skinnier, but I dont see it. I see rolls and pudge. I want lipo now.You should get new boobs and a butt lift as well.

[Socrates]

She always looked kinda chubby to me

Not from the pictures I've seen. :o

[Carter]

God...go with the joke

[Socrates]

I don't get it. :(

[Carter]

Arggh

[Holly Goodhead]

I'll visualize a checklist in my head at night thinking of everything I ate that day and it makes me depressed.

[user123456789]

God...go with the joke

we're not joking

[Carter]

I had

Red bull
A turkey sammich
A handful of doritos
Water
A piece of cake
Salad

And thats it until tomorrow

[Holly Goodhead]

Bowl of pasta
Mushrooms/cucumber slices/baby carrot (Carters dick), cauliflower, celery
Handful of potato chips
5 french fries

Thats already too much.

[Carter]

My dick is not a baby carrot.

It's more like a regular carrot, except not orange...or pointed

[Socrates]

Steak burger with swiss cheese, hickory bacon, onion and guacamole
Fries

I don't think I'll be eating for about a day after that.

[Holly Goodhead]

I had 2 artichoke hearts too. God

[Carter]

Artichoke sucks

[user123456789]

you guys are hilarious with your diets

[jaguarr]

you guys are hilarious with your diets

I agree. Diets are bound to fail because you will eventually go off of them. Changing your overall eating habits, now that's something different entirely.

jag

[AndThePickles]

How can you guys eat so little?? I'm trying to put on some muscle tone, so I'm on at LEAST a 2,000 calorie a day diet goal(not through fat, through protein and carbs). Granted, I've slipped up by needing a couple hundred more calories some days, but I'm trying.

[Carter]

I don't diet. I just go anorexic and stop eating.

[user123456789]

How can you guys eat so little?? I'm trying to put on some muscle tone, so I'm on at LEAST a 2,000 calorie a day diet goal(not through fat, through protein and carbs). Granted, I've slipped up by needing a couple hundred more calories some days, but I'm trying.

Your diet should be at least 20% healthy fats.

[Holly Goodhead]

I agree. Diets are bound to fail because you will eventually go off of them. Changing your overall eating habits, now that's something different entirely.

jag

I went 4 days without eating. It was fun

[AndThePickles]

Your diet should be at least 20% healthy fats.

Oh, I get the fats in too. Just clarifying that I'm not one of those people who think that gaining weight = eating cheeseburgers.

[user123456789]

Oh, I get the fats in too. Just clarifying that I'm not one of those people who think that gaining weight = eating cheeseburgers.

Excellent. :up:

Cheeseburgers taste great! I prefer white over yellow cheese though.

[Carter]

I consume like 900 calories a day when Im trying to lose weight.

[user123456789]

I consume like 900 calories a day when Im trying to lose weight.

/joke

[Holly Goodhead]

Vegetables
Cucumber 1/2 medium raw = 8 cals
Dill pickle 1 large = 11 cals
Eggplant 1/2 cup cooked = 13 cals
Iceburg lettuce 1 cup = 10 cals
Mushrooms 1/2 cup raw = 9 cals
Greens 1/2 cup cooked = 13 cals
Okra 1/2 cup raw = 25 cals
Peas 1/2 cup raw = 67 cals
Bell pepper 1/2 cup raw = 12 cals
Pumpkin 1/2 cup canned = 41 cals
Radishes 10 raw = 7 cals
Sauerkraut 1/2 cup = 22 cals
Spinach 1 cup raw = 12 cals
Fruits
Apple 1 medium raw = 81 cals
Apricot 1 medium fresh = 17 cals
Blackberries 1 cup fresh = 74 cals
Blueberries 1 cup fresh = 82 cals
Cantaloupe 1 cup = 57 cals
Cherries 1/2 cup fresh = 26 cals
Plum 1 medium = 36 cals
Grapefruit 1/2 medium = 39 cals
Grapes 1 cup = 58 cals
Honeydew melon 1/4 small = 33 cals
Kiwi 1 medium = 46 cals
Mango 1 medium = 135 cals
Orange 1 medium = 65 cals
Papaya 1 medium = 117 cals
Peach 1 medium = 35 cals
Pear 1 medium = 98 cals
Pineapple 1 cup fresh = 77 cals
Prunes 1/2 cup = 113 cals
Raspberries 1 cup = 60 cals
Nectarine 1 medium = 66 cals
Lemon 1 medium = 17 cals
Lime 1 medium = 20 cals

[Carter]

/joke

thats not a joke

[jaguarr]

I consume like 900 calories a day when Im trying to lose weight.

Sounds like an awesome way to shut down your metabolism and remain a fatty. :up:

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

Metabolisms are so gay.

[user123456789]

Metabolisms are so gay.

wow strong attack on homosexuals

[kainedamo]

So guys...

Does doing 30 situps and 30 crunches after my morning jog sound right, or should I wait until I've lost some weight?

[Carter]

Sounds like an awesome way to shut down your metabolism and remain a fatty. :up:

jag

Nah, it works for me.

[user123456789]

So guys...

Does doing 30 situps and 30 crunches after my morning jog sound right, or should I wait until I've lost some weight?

If you can't get your hands on some weights, then body weight resistance exercises are definately the way to go, no matter your body fat %.

Pushups
Squats
Lunges
Crunches
etc etc

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

So guys...

Does doing 30 situps and 30 crunches after my morning jog sound right, or should I wait until I've lost some weight?

Doing the sit ups and crunches (both very similar in their movments and msucle groups worked) won't provide you with a six pack that's all in losing body fat.

I would suggest differnt ab excsises other than sit ups.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Metabolisms are so gay.

Mine is actually awesome :up:

[AndThePickles]

Metabolisms are so gay.

Yeah, my metabolism is pretty damn happy. Still works very fast, although I'm sure it'll slow down in a few years.

[kainedamo]

What other ab excersises would you suggest?

[Colossal Spoons]

900 calories a day sounds like torture. I'm in the 3,000 a day range. :up:

[kainedamo]

I need suggestions quick!

[kainedamo]

Found this website - http://www.superdrewby.com/fitness/abs.shtml

[jaguarr]

Weighted V-Ups
Weighted Crunches
Hanging Leg Raises
Hanging Wipers
Roman Chairs
Cable Crunches

Have fun. You can work your abs all you want but until you drop enough body fat, you'll never see them.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Cable crunches are my new best friends. Started doin 'em 2 weeks ago and boy can you feel them for the next few days.

[jaguarr]

Cable crunches are my new best friends. Strted doin 'em 2 weeks ago and boy can you feel them for the next few days.
Try some hanging wipers sometime. They'll make cable crunches seem like child's play:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=298994&d=1146155242

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I need suggestions quick!

Plank and side planks are good :up: Also using a swiss ball is awesome :up:

[Holly Goodhead]

Try some hanging wipers sometime. They'll make cable crunches seem like child's play:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=298994&d=1146155242

jag

heee!

[Holly Goodhead]

Does ice have carbs?

[jaguarr]

Does ice have carbs?

It has the same amount of carbs as water. :up:

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

so..zero?

[jaguarr]

so..zero?

:)

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

Wait I meant calories. lolz Carbs??? im silly

[jaguarr]

Wait I meant calories. lolz Carbs??? im silly

My answer remains the same.

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

What-ever, **** you then boss.

[user123456789]

What-ever, **** you then boss.

-0.125 calories / gram

[Holly Goodhead]

I like eating icecubes. Except I cant stand listening to other people eat icecubes.

[jaguarr]

What-ever, **** you then boss.

I'd tell you to eat shart, but you'd probably want to know how many calories was in that, too.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I like eating icecubes. Except I cant stand listening to other people eat icecubes.

Bad for tooth enamel :up:

[Orko Is King]

What's the best excercise for your lower pecs???

[user123456789]

What's the best excercise for your lower pecs???

Decline Bench Press, Decline DB Press, and Dips come to mind.

[kainedamo]

Hey, see phrases like "2 sets to failure" and "reps" and that stuff, what does that stuff mean?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hey, see phrases like "2 sets to failure" and "reps" and that stuff, what does that stuff mean?

"Reps" are the number of repetitions involved in an exercise. The total range of movement completed.

"Sets" Are the total number of reps. If you do 10 "reps" that can be 1 "set". 3x10= 3 "sets" of 10 "reps"

"Failure" means to the point where you can no longer do repetitions. Of course I would follow to "form failure" You may be able to do 28 reps. But if 22 is your last rep with the proper form then stop.

Hope that helps.

[kainedamo]

Yes thankyou that's helped me out alot, none of the excercising websites explained what reps and sets mean. I've read that I should only do my abs two or three times a week.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yes thankyou that's helped me out alot, none of the excercising websites explained what reps and sets mean. I've read that I should only do my abs two or three times a week.

Yeah most people. magazines etc assume people know the basics about exersice, but the most vital and important thing is learning the basics. If you know the basics, everything else becomes much easier to learn.

There are plenty on here that have a very large and good amount of knowledge of info to help you along if you really want to change the way you live. I say that instead of getting in better shape, because honestly, that's what you do when you being to exercise. It changes all aspects of your life and helps in so many ways.

It's hard to say what will work best for you, because in all honesty everyone works differently and reacts differently to different methods of exercise. Yes for the broad general aspect the huge majority of us all react pretty much the same way to simple things for simple results.

Running=losing body fat and water weight and increases your cadrio vacuslar system

Lifting weights= muscle development, better stamina and increases your cvs


But if you want to do more than just general exercise it becomes more complicated due to the fact that there is so much you can do. My advice, learn about excersice on your own. Men's health really is a great source :up: I subscribe to it and will continue to do so. Also just heading to the book store and picking up a few books should give you all the info you need on exercise, eating right and how your body works with the two.

Also by learning it on your own, you are more inclined to stay with what you start and will more likely be better motivated to stay with it. IMHO.

But to answer your question simply, well sort of. It depends on what you want and how your body reacts. Ab exercise can be done 1-3 times a week. Huge amounts of reps 100+ once a week. Or a smaller amount, 15 repsx 3 sets a few times a week.

Hope that wasn't too complicated. BTW are you just starting to exercise?

[Colossal Spoons]

Try some hanging wipers sometime. They'll make cable crunches seem like child's play:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=298994&d=1146155242

jag

Those look crazy. I'd so do 'em if that station existed at my gym.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Those look crazy. I'd so do 'em if that station existed at my gym.

You could do them from a pull up bar :up:

[jaguarr]

You could do them from a pull up bar :up:

Yep. I do them off of the pullup station on my Power-rack (watch out for low ceilings). :up:

jag

[jaguarr]

I've done similar but not with 45lb :eek:

But you've gotta love a girl who can do that. :up:

Try 'em with the 45 lb. plate, keeping your arms straight as noted in the little animated gif. Your abs will be screaming!

jag

[Iceman]

Looks pretty good for abs work.

[jaguarr]

Looks pretty good for abs work.
Try these with a 45 lb. plate in your hands:

http://exrx.net/AnimatedEx/RectusAbdominis/WtVup.gif

Weighted V-Ups rock! :up:

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

Haha that looks silly

[Iceman]

Try these with a 45 lb. plate in your hands:

http://exrx.net/AnimatedEx/RectusAbdominis/WtVup.gif

Weighted V-Ups rock! :up:

jag

I've done similar but not with 45lb :eek:

But you've gotta love a girl who can do that. :up:

[Holly Goodhead]

My legs hurt from running. :down

[jaguarr]

Here's another great ab exercise. Hanging leg raises:

http://exrx.net/AnimatedEx/RectusAbdominis/WTHangingLegHipRaise.gif

Do 'em as is to really hit the entire stomach, or do 'em with a twist at the top to each side to hit the obliques a bit or put a dumbbell between your feet to give them some extra weight. :up:

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

Ew gross

[Colossal Spoons]

Try these with a 45 lb. plate in your hands:

http://exrx.net/AnimatedEx/RectusAbdominis/WtVup.gif

Weighted V-Ups rock! :up:

jag

I just did a few of those to see what they feel like. I like 'em. Feels like it works your entire midsection.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I just did a few of those to see what they feel like. I like 'em. Feels like it works your entire midsection.

Aso you can modify it by bringing your knees in toward your chest and pushing your arms down past them. If you really want to increase the intensity of any exercise, negative reps are awesoome and will kick your ass :up:

Slowly count from 8 and work your way back to your starting position :up:

[jaguarr]

Aso you can modify it by bringing your knees in toward your chest and pushing your arms down past them. If you really want to increase the intensity of any exercise, negative reps are awesoome and will kick your ass :up:

Slowly count from 8 and work your way back to your starting position :up:

Negative reps on hanging leg raises are brutal as well. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Negative reps on hanging leg raises are brutal as well. :up:

jag

Agreed, on any exercise if done correctly they are brutal :up:

[kainedamo]

My legs hurt from jogging. Is this ok? Should I keep jogging every morning?

[jaguarr]

My legs hurt from jogging. Is this ok? Should I keep jogging every morning?

Are you stretching thoroughly after your runs?

jag

[jaguarr]

Agreed, on any exercise if done correctly they are brutal :up:

Definitely. Try some reverse negatives on heavy ATG squats sometime. Fun! :D

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

My legs hurt from jogging. Is this ok? Should I keep jogging every morning?

Drink lots of water and warm up before hand. DO NOT STRETCH BEFORE! Cut it back to 4 days a week.

[kainedamo]

Stretching?? No... That isn't too smart, is it? I'll look stretching up right now.

Wait! Hold on! Do I stretch or not? And how should I warm up?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Stretching?? No... That isn't too smart, is it? I'll look stretching up right now.

Stretching is good for you, but not before you work out. In fact it has recently been proven that you can have even more injuries resulting in pulls, strains and torn muscles or worse if you stretch before.

Just warm up for a good 2-5 minutes before you start to jog. Also what surface are you jogging on? Cement being the worse for you.

Grass, soft dirt, sand or rubber track being some of the best. :up:

[kainedamo]

Cement is the only option I have unfortunately.

So to warm up. What should I do exactly? Some jumping stars or something??

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Jumping jacks, side twists (circular motion not bending over) high knees, arm circles.

Do 20 to each side of each. That should be good :up:

[kainedamo]

Thankyou bah humbug!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

NP :up:

[Socrates]

I wouldn't be surprised if kainedamo ends up gaining weight. -_-

[jaguarr]

Stretching is good for you, but not before you work out. In fact it has recently been proven that you can have even more injuries resulting in pulls, strains and torn muscles or worse if you stretch before.

Just warm up for a good 2-5 minutes before you start to jog. Also what surface are you jogging on? Cement being the worse for you.

Grass, soft dirt, sand or rubber track being some of the best. :up:

Solid advice. :up: Save the full stretch for AFTER your workout as I suggested.

jag

[kainedamo]

So... see how alot of excercises say "do 2 sets", do you take a break between sets? I take it thats what you do.

[kainedamo]

Another question. I don't understand how an excercise called the lateral bridge is supposed to work.

[Mr. Credible]

i recently started riding my bike for about 20-30 miles a day, and doing hardcore weight lifting mon, wed, and fri.

i'm losing something like a pound of body fat a day just from the bike riding.

[Colossal Spoons]

So... see how alot of excercises say "do 2 sets", do you take a break between sets? I take it thats what you do.

Yeah, take a brief break in between sets. How long your rest is supposed to be has always been up for debate; I usually give myself about 30-45 seconds.

[Colossal Spoons]

i recently started riding my bike for about 20-30 miles a day, and doing hardcore weight lifting mon, wed, and fri.

i'm losing something like a pound of body fat a day just from the bike riding.

But you definately won't be gaining a pound of muscle a day from weight lifting, so expect to lose some weight at first.

[Holly Goodhead]

My legs are so sore from running ..walking down stairs is excruciating. But I still do it, I like the pain.

[Iceman]

Pain is good.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

So... see how alot of excercises say "do 2 sets", do you take a break between sets? I take it thats what you do.

Again it varies for each individual and the type of exercises you are doing. Lighter weight more reps requires less rest, heavier weight less reps requires longer rest. Give yourself a good minute that should be good. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

i recently started riding my bike for about 20-30 miles a day, and doing hardcore weight lifting mon, wed, and fri.

i'm losing something like a pound of body fat a day just from the bike riding.

Actually it's more like water weight :up: You don't lose a whole lb of fat that fast. Maybe half a lb or so but when you exercise that much and sweat that much a lot of it it's water. :up:

[Holly Goodhead]

20-30 miles?? isnt that too much?

I heard running for more than 45 minutes is bad, and instead of burning calories you burn muscle.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

20-30 miles?? isnt that too much?

I heard running for more than 45 minutes is bad, and instead of burning calories you burn muscle.

Well he did say riding his bike, not running. It depends on your intensity too, if you jogging at a 5 mph pace you are not exerting yourself very hard. It's all about sweating, once you start sweating you start burning fat :up:

[Holly Goodhead]

I thought running and walking exerted the same amount of energy.

[jaguarr]

Well he did say riding his bike, not running. It depends on your intensity too, if you jogging at a 5 mph pace you are not exerting yourself very hard. It's all about sweating, once you start sweating you start burning fat :up:

It also depends on an individuals particular glycogen and fatty stores. Once you burn up the glycogen, then your body will start eating the fatty stores (and some protein stores in the form of muscle if your fatty stores aren't available).

jag