The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[Colossal Spoons]

250, 225... the only one that can handle my weight is a exercise bike, and that really doesn't provide that much cardio, does it?

Where'd you hear that the bike wasn't efficient cardio? It'll make you sweat just as much as anything else if you ride it properly. :up:

[mrvlknight21]

vegas will do that to anybody! :D

Not true.

[CyberFaust]

Not true.
show me proof of this?

[Colossal Spoons]

How would he do that? lol

[mrvlknight21]

Where'd you hear that the bike wasn't efficient cardio? It'll make you sweat just as much as anything else if you ride it properly. :up:

Thats right, its all about intensity!

[Colossal Spoons]

Thats right, its all about intensity!

Yeah, you can get a great cardio workout jumping on and off a freakin box for God's sake lol.

[mrvlknight21]

show me proof of this?

I have been to Vegas-I have never had a drink.

[Colossal Spoons]

I have been to Vegas-I have never had a drink.

Were you there for a funeral? :(

[mrvlknight21]

Yeah, you can get a great cardio jumping on and off a freakin box for God's sake lol.

Ohhh, I love plyometrics. I actually just had someone make me some plyo boxes too. In fact, I need to post pics of my "home gym." (after I post the ones of that social club that calls itself a gym).

[Colossal Spoons]

Ohhh, I love plyometrics. I actually just had someone make me some plyo boxes too. In fact, I need to post pics of my "home gym." (after I post the ones of that social club that calls itself a gym).

There's a set of boxes for box jumps at my gym that have a huge sticker on the side that says "I make little kids cry" :D

[punishermax]

I have been to Vegas-I have never had a drink.

:huh: Are you human?

[mrvlknight21]

Were you there for a funeral? :(

LOL! Good one!
No, seriosuly, I was there to see/do.
I just dont drink, never have and never will.
Same for drugs and cigarettes.
Never have, never will.
But Vegas was a lot of fun! (I do gamble)!

[punishermax]

LOL! Good one!
No, seriosuly, I was there to see/do.
I just dont drink, never have and never will.
Same for drugs and cigarettes.
Never have, never will.
But Vegas was a lot of fun! (I do gamble)!

This makes me cry on the inside.:woot: :csad:

[mrvlknight21]

There's a set of boxes for box jumps at my gym that have a huge sticker on the side that says "I make little kids cry" :D

AWESOME! Thats hilarious! Maybe I should put something on my boxes! (although, I am the only one using them).

[Colossal Spoons]

LOL! Good one!
No, seriosuly, I was there to see/do.
I just dont drink, never have and never will.
Same for drugs and cigarettes.
Never have, never will.
But Vegas was a lot of fun! (I do gamble)!

Ok, that's a good reason. I'd trade the chips for a 7&7 i na heartbeat :D

[mrvlknight21]

This makes me cry on the inside.:woot: :csad:

Whys that?

And yes, I am human and I do have vices, but none of those are on the list.

[Colossal Spoons]

Whys that?

And yes, I am human and I do have vices, but none of those are on the list.

My vices live at the bottom of a bottle :(

j/k, don't make me go to an intervention

[mrvlknight21]

Ok, that's a good reason. I'd trade the chips for a 7&7 i na heartbeat :D

Aw man, not me. Now, I am not crazy about blackjack and all, and I hate slots, but true poker, against other players is awesome.

[enterthemadness]

Don't know why...I am posting this, but I am no longer trying to put on muscle. Just going to focus on my abs and cardio. Will do some lifting though...just not to put on a lot of muscle.

And as for a meal after working out...depends if I am hungry. If I workout between breakfast and lunch, then lunch would be the meal after the cardio/workout.

Here's my *new* workout (or the one I'll be using the most)

15 min on the weight bike level 5.
Curl bar: 3 sets 6 (Two 10's on each side)
Reverse Curl bar: 2 sets 10 (10 on each side)
Ab Machine: 3 sets 30 (7th pin)
Chest Machine: 3 set 10 210lbs + 15diff.
Pullups+dips: 2 set 10
Basketball (about 30 mins or so)

Not to mention pushups at home along with dips on workout days, about 30 min on the bike outside 3 days a week inbetween, and situps every day.

:yay: also a good diet too. Just need to fix it a bit, but not bad. Like...I will no longer have jelly on my PB sandwich everyday for lunch, and sometimes I will use only one slice of bread and not two.

Needless to say, I'm in some of the best shape of my life...just not at the goal yet.

Also, I'm addicted to Starbucks Coffee (Light version). Even though the kind I drink has very little calories, fat, low sugar, and no crap in it...I sHould still pay attention to my sugar count. A example will be...Dannon: Light and Fit yogurt. Only 7 sugar per serving, low calorie, and no fat, and no crap in it. But usually I eat two with my breakfast on the weekends...and with Orange Juice...that's a lot of sugar. Probably over 30g right there. That's why I started only eating one cup with my breakfast...and then save the other cup for later that day or as a snack in the week.

[mrvlknight21]

My vices live at the bottom of a bottle :(

j/k, don't make me go to an intervention

Spoons: "Hi, my name is Spoons, and I am an alcoholic."
AA group" "Hi, Spoons."

You could just join Fight Club instead!

[Colossal Spoons]

Don't know why...I am posting this, but I am no longer trying to put on muscle. Just going to focus on my abs and cardio. Will do some lifting though...just not to put on a lot of muscle.

And as for a meal after working out...depends if I am hungry. If I workout between breakfast and lunch, then lunch would be the meal after the cardio/workout.

Also, I'm addicted to Starbucks Coffee (Light version). Even though the kind I drink has very little calories, fat, low sugar, and no crap in it...I sHould still pay attention to my sugar count. A example will be...Dannon: Light and Fit yogurt. Only 7 sugar per serving, low calorie, and no fat, and no crap in it. But usually I eat two with my breakfast on the weekends...and with Orange Juice...that's a lot of sugar. Probably over 30g right there. That's why I started only eating one cup with my breakfast...and then save the other cup for later that day or as a snack in the week.

Freddie!!!!!

[punishermax]

Whys that?

And yes, I am human and I do have vices, but none of those are on the list.

Your human once, live how you want. But life is about experiences, and to not experience something that is everywhere like alcohol, I don't understand. But, I live in Wisconsin, my brother owns a bar, so alcohol is everywhere in my life. I can understand that you don't drink, but to never have experienced it once is.......................




come on, just one sip.

[punishermax]

Don't know why...I am posting this, but I am no longer trying to put on muscle. Just going to focus on my abs and cardio. Will do some lifting though...just not to put on a lot of muscle.

And as for a meal after working out...depends if I am hungry. If I workout between breakfast and lunch, then lunch would be the meal after the cardio/workout.

Here's my *new* workout (or the one I'll be using the most)

15 min on the weight bike level 5.
Curl bar: 3 sets 6 (Two 10's on each side)
Reverse Curl bar: 2 sets 10 (10 on each side)
Ab Machine: 3 sets 30 (7th pin)
Chest Machine: 3 set 10 210lbs + 15diff.
Pullups+dips: 2 set 10
Basketball (about 30 mins or so)

Not to mention pushups at home along with dips on workout days, about 30 min on the bike outside 3 days a week inbetween, and situps every day.

:yay: also a good diet too. Just need to fix it a bit, but not bad. Like...I will no longer have jelly on my PB sandwich everyday for lunch, and sometimes I will use only one slice of bread and not two.

Needless to say, I'm in some of the best shape of my life...just not at the goal yet.

Also, I'm addicted to Starbucks Coffee (Light version). Even though the kind I drink has very little calories, fat, low sugar, and no crap in it...I sHould still pay attention to my sugar count. A example will be...Dannon: Light and Fit yogurt. Only 7 sugar per serving, low calorie, and no fat, and no crap in it. But usually I eat two with my breakfast on the weekends...and with Orange Juice...that's a lot of sugar. Probably over 30g right there. That's why I started only eating one cup with my breakfast...and then save the other cup for later that day or as a snack in the week.

This makes me cry more than Mr. Straight Edge.:woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Your human once, live how you want. But life is about experiences, and to not experience something that is everywhere like alcohol, I don't understand. But, I live in Wisconsin, my brother owns a bar, so alcohol is everywhere in my life. I can understand that you don't drink, but to never have experienced it once is.......................




come on, just one sip.

Hahahaha, you're worse than a drug dealer. Some people just don't have any desire to drink. I don't understand it either but whachagonnado?

[mrvlknight21]

Your human once, live how you want. But life is about experiences, and to not experience something that is everywhere like alcohol, I don't understand. But, I live in Wisconsin, my brother owns a bar, so alcohol is everywhere in my life. I can understand that you don't drink, but to never have experienced it once is.......................




come on, just one sip.

Yeah, I know a perosn in Wisconsin..I understand why you guys drink....just kidding!
Okay, so based on your theory of life (which I wont disagree with)...you plan to experience some homo action?


Just one sip....man, how many times have I heard that!

[JStorm]

Stop trying to make my bestfriend have a drink, you bunch on ninny-****ers!

[punishermax]

Yeah, I know a perosn in Wisconsin..I understand why you guys drink....just kidding!
Okay, so based on your theory of life (which I wont disagree with)...you plan to experience some homo action?


Just one sip....man, how many times have I heard that!

I understand too. It's hot and muggy during the summer, and cold, goddamn cold during the winter. It's all we have.

No....:O ...........:ninja: I am the alpha male in these parts.:cmad:

[punishermax]

Hahahaha, you're worse than a drug dealer. Some people just don't have any desire to drink. I don't understand it either but whachagonnado?

My friend Nathan has no desire to drink. Which is fine, but he is so friggin' boring at parties. He stands in the corner and does nothing. He won't even come to the bars with us.

Maybe that's why I don't understand people who don't drink. Because the only example I have is someone who hates fun.

[Colossal Spoons]

My friend Nathan has no desire to drink. Which is fine, but he is so friggin' boring at parties. He stands in the corner and does nothing. He won't even come to the bars with us.

Maybe that's why I don't understand people who don't drink. Because the only example I have is someone who hates fun.

My anti-alcohol buddy Rich still comes out and parties. Nate needs to get drunk lol.

[JStorm]

Devil can mix drinks like a bartender!!

Also, he likes dogs.

[punishermax]

My anti-alcohol buddy Rich still comes out and parties. Nate needs to get drunk lol.

Yes, he does. The couple he has, he was fun. But those were years ago.

[mrvlknight21]

My friend Nathan has no desire to drink. Which is fine, but he is so friggin' boring at parties. He stands in the corner and does nothing. He won't even come to the bars with us.

Maybe that's why I don't understand people who don't drink. Because the only example I have is someone who hates fun.

Well, I doubt he actually hates fun.
I can be seen as boring too at times and the life of the party at other times.
In truth, I see nothing positive coming from drinking. Thats me.
Not passing judgment, just my point of view.

[mrvlknight21]

Devil can mix drinks like a bartender!!

Also, he likes dogs.

Dogs are cool.
I like Mean Girls too....er...the movie that is.

[enterthemadness]

Freddie!!!!!

...

I don;t want to be at the rec all day. Also...I just don't want to put on lots of muscle now. I guess it has to do with the fact that I don't want to be spending all my money on lots of food when I move out.

I'm not going to eat if I ain't hungry. I did that..and by lord...my stomach got big. And I was eating right and paying attention to my food. Of course...I was doing little cardio...so....my fault there. Regardless, I see no point in eating if I'm not hungry. I will give it some thought though of doing tomorrow.

Starbucks coffee Light hasn't done nothing wrong to me yet, unless if you talk to my wallet, or my Mom's paycheck book...then yes, they will say This coffee sure is expensive.

All I really want is a small stomach...that's the truth right now. I don't want big muscles. At least not at this moment anymore. I look at my stomach now...it's not big, but it ain't what I want it to be. I can see the pack coming in...or something coming in. Point is, I've lost fat in the mid section. And here's the kicker...I'm 5'4 1/2...and as of this past Monday...I weighed 118 with clothes on (or 116 naked). So..I take after the men in my family, where body fat likes to stay in the mid-section. Right now, I weigh 117.

[punishermax]

Well, I doubt he actually hates fun.
I can be seen as boring too at times and the life of the party at other times.
In truth, I see nothing positive coming from drinking. Thats me.
Not passing judgment, just my point of view.

I think he actually does. It's weird.

[Warhammer]

Hey guys, what are the cons of doing crunches?

[jaguarr]

Hey guys, what are the cons of doing crunches?

None, unless you've got some sort of weird gastrointestinal disorder that causes you to spray the insides of your undies with liquid ass every time you do them.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

I think he actually does. It's weird.

Hmm, that is weird...guess its another real life Bizarro.

[mrvlknight21]

None, unless you've got some sort of weird gastrointestinal disorder that causes you to spray the insides of your undies with liquid ass every time you do them.

jag

That is pretty gross Jag.

By the way, I just saw your tattoos I really like them!

[jaguarr]

That is pretty gross Jag.

By the way, I just saw your tattoos I really like them!


Thanks, man! I'm very happy with my ink. I've got some new ideas for some new ink, much to my wife's chagrin (though she loves the ink that I have).

And, yeah...it's pretty gross what happens to Whorehammer when he does crunches, isn't it?

jag

[mrvlknight21]

whorehammer....great porn name!
or band name!

[kytrigger]

Vegas does that. I don't think I did one healthy thing in Vegas, except sleep, which was alcohol induced though.
that's why when I go to Vegas my "cardio" consists of victory laps around the craps table.

[kytrigger]

I have been to Vegas-I have never had a drink.
I'm with you there. I absolutely never drink when I gamble so I have never actually had any alcohol while in Vegas. You're not alone...

[Colossal Spoons]

I wouldn't gamble so yeah....I'd be pretty drunk.

My avatar is a perfect representation of me in Vegas lol.

[mrvlknight21]

I'm with you there. I absolutely never drink when I gamble so I have never actually had any alcohol while in Vegas. You're not alone...

Well, actually, I have never had a drink. Period, Vegas or otherwise.

[Super Kal]

I found a nice bike for a little over $100 :D

[kytrigger]

None, unless you've got some sort of weird gastrointestinal disorder that causes you to spray the insides of your undies with liquid ass every time you do them.

jag
That's where the manpon comes in handy...

[JStorm]

I worked out my back tonight, ran a mile, and did a really cool finisher that Devil taught me!!

:confused:

*Fitness thread*

*cough*

[Prodigy]

I've never had a drink before ever, either. never wanted to. I'm 23, went through college, and just got back from vegas last week haha. drinking's not my style. some people think I am crazy, but I think they are crazy, so we're even.

[jaguarr]

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to drink. I only have a drink once every few months anymore. I got a little out of hand in Vegas, but hey...it was vacation. And I don't drink when I'm gambling, either. Drunk gambling is a baaaaaad idea. :o

jag

[punishermax]

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to drink. I only have a drink once every few months anymore. I got a little out of hand in Vegas, but hey...it was vacation. And I don't drink when I'm gambling, either. Drunk gambling is a baaaaaad idea. :o

jag

But those Wheel of Fortune games just scream your name when you walk past.

[jaguarr]

But those Wheel of Fortune games just scream your name when you walk past.

Haha! Yeah, they make a lot of noise, don't they? I only play blackjack and craps, so I am immune to their wicked charms, though. :o

jag

[punishermax]

Haha! Yeah, they make a lot of noise, don't they? I only play blackjack and craps, so I am immune to their wicked charms, though. :o

jag


I'm a poker man myself, but those Wheel of Fortune games were irresistable.

[Super Kal]

hey jag, is an exercise bike a good machine for cardio?

[punishermax]

Haha! Yeah, they make a lot of noise, don't they? I only play blackjack and craps, so I am immune to their wicked charms, though. :o

jag

Did you stay on Fremont, or the Strip.

[Colossal Spoons]

That's where the manpon comes in handy...

Manpon baby!

[Colossal Spoons]

hey jag, is an exercise bike a good machine for cardio?

Devil and my appoval not suffice? :(

[punishermax]

hey jag, is an exercise bike a good machine for cardio?

An exercise bike is a good way to do good cardio. And it's easy on the body, if the seat is nice.

[Super Kal]

Devil and my appoval not suffice? :(
don't get me wrong, you advice was definitely helpful... I just want to hear everyone's opinion before I make my decision.

[Colossal Spoons]

don't get me wrong, you advice was definitely helpful... I just want to hear everyone's opinion before I make my decision.

Heh, it's cool. In terms of efficiency for cardio machines found in most gyms, I'd say the order goes:

1. Elliptical
2. Stair Climber
3. Stationary Bike

[Super Kal]

edit: never mind

[Super Kal]

does an exercise bike with "magnetic resistance" work well?

[Colossal Spoons]

Never heard of that type of resistance. Dude, as long as you're pedaling fast lol

[Super Kal]

I just want to get the same or even a better cardio workout than what I'm doing right now...
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4213117

from the reviews that I've read, it's definitely a good bike
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B000AMUFYY/sr=8-1/qid=1182484106/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/104-1602314-8771923?ie=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=3375251&qid=1182484106&sr=8-1

[punishermax]

I just want to get the same or even a better cardio workout than what I'm doing right now...
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4213117

from the reviews that I've read, it's definitely a good bike
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B000AMUFYY/sr=8-1/qid=1182484106/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/104-1602314-8771923?ie=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=3375251&qid=1182484106&sr=8-1

Whats the nearest gym. Unless you can afford to buy a lot of equipment, you should just go to a gym. I know a lot of people workout at home, but a gym membership is worth it, if you can't afford a lot of equipment.

[Super Kal]

well, $400 only goes so far, so I have to go with getting something for the home workout

[jaguarr]

hey jag, is an exercise bike a good machine for cardio?

Yes. :up:

Did you stay on Fremont, or the Strip.

We stayed at Mandalay Bay. We really like the atmosphere and restaurants there. I just won't gamble there as they've fubar'd the rules on most of their table games. I told them as much in their customer feedback forms, too.

Heh, it's cool. In terms of efficiency for cardio machines found in most gyms, I'd say the order goes:

1. Stepmill
2. VersaClimber
3. Elliptical
4. Stair Climber
5. Stationary Bike

Fixed that for you. :up:

jag

[punishermax]

Yes. :up:



We stayed at Mandalay Bay. We really like the atmosphere and restaurants there. I just won't gamble there as they've fubar'd the rules on most of their table games. I told them as much in their customer feedback forms, too.



Fixed that for you. :up:

jag

You ever stayed on Fremont. That's where the party's at man.

[Super Kal]

on the stepmill... is there a way to go down?

[jaguarr]

You ever stayed on Fremont. That's where the party's at man.


We like to go down to Fremont to visit, but it's not really our scene to stay down there. It's certainly cheaper to stay down there, though, and I will say that the Nugget's new pool with the slide that goes through the shark tank looks wicked. That's the fun thing about Vegas, though; a bit of everything for everyone.

jag

[Super Kal]

oh wait... lmao, oh s**t, $2500, not a chance in hell

[jaguarr]

on the stepmill... is there a way to go down?

Yeah. Fall off of it. :D

jag

[Super Kal]

lol, and here I thought I had enough money for something like that...

[jaguarr]

lol, and here I thought I had enough money for something like that...

That's probably the single most brutal piece of cardio equipment ever invented. I wouldn't recommend it to someone who wasn't already in pretty good cardiovascular shape to start with, to be honest. It's a killer.

jag

[Super Kal]

lol, well in that case, I'll steer clear of it for now

[Fran]

Starting to see/feel results :up::up:

[Super Kal]

I can see the results when I get on the scale, but I don't see ANY results physically... I'm getting discouraged... and every time I hit the ( )5 pound limit, I'm always stuck at this weight for like 3 weeks

[jaguarr]

Starting to see/feel results :up::up:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Polls/Pictures/Poll009-Palpatine.jpg

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!


:up:
jag

[Fran]

What's an iomg :huh:

[punishermax]

We like to go down to Fremont to visit, but it's not really our scene to stay down there. It's certainly cheaper to stay down there, though, and I will say that the Nugget's new pool with the slide that goes through the shark tank looks wicked. That's the fun thing about Vegas, though; a bit of everything for everyone.

jag

Then your not partying with the right people. Need to get you down with the young kids like myself, to show an old man like you what a good time is again.:woot:

[jaguarr]

Then your not partying with the right people. Need to get you down with the young kids like myself, to show an old man like you what a good time is again.:woot:

Haha! Well, I'm partying with my wife so, trust me, I'm partying with the right people. ;) Besides, I did all the crazy **** you can imagine and more when I was younger. And I still get up to a few things most young guys wouldn't dare to. ;) Mostly, though, Vegas is just about chilling for the wife and I.

jag

[Jack Rabbit]

Ran a 5k in 19:03 this morning.

[Super Kal]

I'm glad I'm looking into exercise machines... I couldn't finish my jog today.

my ankles were hurting too much.

[CyberFaust]

Besides, I did all the crazy **** you can imagine and more when I was younger. And I still get up to a few things most young guys wouldn't dare to.

jag
like going to the gym and doing work :up:

[Super Kal]

the weird thing is, it's not really the ankles, but it feels like my ankles

[Colossal Spoons]

I can see the results when I get on the scale, but I don't see ANY results physically... I'm getting discouraged... and every time I hit the ( )5 pound limit, I'm always stuck at this weight for like 3 weeks

Heh, you do know that you are the worst judge of yourself right? I'm sure other people would notice more than you do.

[jaguarr]

Let's resurrect this bad boy. Required reading, gentlemen:

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460554

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460895

jag

Read the articles, *****es! :cmad:

jag

[Super Kal]

Heh, you do know that you are the worst judge of yourself right? I'm sure other people would notice more than you do.
I know... it's just so hard sometimes

[Super Kal]

had to stop jogging again... damn, it's stuff like this that gets me discouraged.

[Colossal Spoons]

You need something less strenuous on your ankles dude.

[Super Kal]

I know I do... but I can't until I get some money, and that won't probably be for another 2-4 weeks

[Super Kal]

You need something less strenuous on your ankles dude.
will a bike help in that area?

[mrvlknight21]

Ran a 5k in 19:03 this morning.

Great Time!

[Super Kal]

on the plus side of all this walking, I got huge calf muscles

[Colossal Spoons]

will a bike help in that area?

Yeah, totally.

[Jack Rabbit]

Great Time!

Thanks. I'm trying to get it down to 18:00, or somewhere in that range.

[mrvlknight21]

Well, your 3 mile time is better than mine already-how old are you?

[Iceman]

Squats today. :yay:

No walking tomorrow. :csad:

[mrvlknight21]

Squats today. :yay:

No walking tomorrow. :csad:

That is usually how it works out!

[CyberFaust]

but that's like...6 minute miles, 3 of them...in a row?!?!

[mrvlknight21]

but that's like...6 minute miles, 3 of them...in a row?!?!

That is why I said great time on the 19 minute one (6:20 per mile). In my opinion, once you are going 2+ miles, if you are keeping each mile to 7 minutes or less, that is very good.
I can do about a 6 minute mile-but just one, not 3.

[CyberFaust]

i was happy with a 7 minute mile.
and my cardio includes 2.5 miles at a 7mph speed. I think that's good too also.

[jaguarr]

I have enjoyed my week off from the weights WAYYYYYY too much. :D

jag

[Jack Rabbit]

Well, your 3 mile time is better than mine already-how old are you?

Just turned 20.

but that's like...6 minute miles, 3 of them...in a row?!?!

It's certainly possible. I know people who do it.

[mrvlknight21]

Just turned 20.



It's certainly possible. I know people who do it.

20..well that helps explain it. Again, Great job!

[Jack Rabbit]

20..well that helps explain it. Again, Great job!

Thanks. What can I say? I'm a ****in' rabbit. Motivate.

[Super Kal]

I was able to jog today without any pain... and mow the lawn...


my body is really acting up

[Colossal Spoons]

Chest/bi's in about 30 mins. I got lots of sleep last night and I'm all creatined up.

/work

[Iceman]

My legs are so gone from squats yesterday that I can't drive to the gym (safely) today. :woot: :csad:

[jaguarr]

Well, my week of debauchery, drinking and eating like crap while not working out has come to an end. Chest/tri's later today. Pain tomorrow. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

God, that was the unfriendliest workout I've ever had. I don't usually go on Sundays and I went today. Everybody walked around looking like they were sucking on lemons. :down:

Got an awesome workout though. :up:

[CyberFaust]

icannae understand the people taht go to the gym just to stand in front of the mirrors and just walk around from mirror to mirror.

also, tomorow's my first exam. I lost about a 3 weeks of working out because of these exams so wish me luck. :)

[jaguarr]

Got a serious chest and tri's day in today, plus a little bit of post-workout cardio. Feels good to be back into the iron again. My boobies and tri's are going to be veddy veddy sore tomorrow. :up:

jag

[Dodger]

This might sound stupid but what the hell.

Is it a good idea too use a smiths machine for a bench while lifting way heavy? I don't know, I though it would make my body accustom to heavy weights.

Sounds dumb I know. :o

[jaguarr]

This might sound stupid but what the hell.

Is it a good idea too use a smiths machine for a bench while lifting way heavy? I don't know, I though it would make my body accustom to heavy weights.

Sounds dumb I know. :o

Personally, I'm not real big on Smith machines. The reason being is that they don't allow for a natural Range Of Motion (ROM); instead they force you to stay on and follow the path of the machine. This can result in injury or inferior muscle breakdown. Also, they don't incorporate the use of the stabilizer muscles that are used when using a completely free-weight approach, so you aren't getting maximum benefit there, either. If a Smith machine is all you have access to, it's better than nothing, but if you've got access to free-weights then I would encourage you to use those.

jag

[Whirlysplat]

Personally, I'm not real big on Smith machines. The reason being is that they don't allow for a natural Range Of Motion (ROM); instead they force you to stay on and follow the path of the machine. This can result in injury or inferior muscle breakdown. Also, they don't incorporate the use of the stabilizer muscles that are used when using a completely free-weight approach, so you aren't getting maximum benefit there, either. If a Smith machine is all you have access to, it's better than nothing, but if you've got access to free-weights then I would encourage you to use those.

jag

All true Jag, I have a smithsat home, I still have to post those pics of my home gym set up. You'll love my Dumbells, I have just purchased 2 55Kg ones to add to my others.

[mrvlknight21]

OK, I finally scanned the pics from the Omni gym that I spoke of a few weeks back.
Be sure to note the individual vs for each piece of cardio equipment and the scoreboard style tv set up above the hammer strength section.
And, of course, what every gym really needs-a pool table in the men's locker room....WTF?!?!?!

4676

let me know if you can click on it to make it larger or not.

[hammy]

And, of course, what every gym really needs-a pool table in the men's locker room....WTF?!?!?!

4676

let me know if you can click on it to make it larger or not.
Where's the bar?

[Colossal Spoons]

OK, I finally scanned the pics from the Omni gym that I spoke of a few weeks back.
Be sure to note the individual vs for each piece of cardio equipment and the scoreboard style tv set up above the hammer strength section.
And, of course, what every gym really needs-a pool table in the men's locker room....WTF?!?!?!

4676

let me know if you can click on it to make it larger or not.

Where the hell is that!!??

[mrvlknight21]

Here, in Augusta, Georgia...
I took Storm there a few weeks ago. Its ridiculous-leather couches, marble floors and countertops, all kinds of high end rich yuppie stuff, but only 1 squat rack!

[mrvlknight21]

Oh, while the men's locker room has the pool table, the women's has massage chairs.

[Colossal Spoons]

How much for a membership?

[mrvlknight21]

I think it is like $60 a month. I went for the past month for free because after they remodeled they offered 1 month free, no strings attached. My friend who has a membership there wanted me to train him for that month and said he could take it from there, so thats what I did. I usually just train at home, I am not a member of any gym.
There is of course also a BS $200 enrollment fee also!

[BRUTAL]

Why the hell am I not sore after Friday?! I busted my ass in the gym on Friday and was dying when I left and then I woke up Yesterday and Today feeling next to nothing! WTF! :cmad:

[ShadowBoxing]

Okay so now I got a question (Good lord has the Universe collasped :eek:). I have been picked to help one of the coaches at my old High School coach (condition) his students at a Basketball Camp. The Camp has several age levels in it, 8-12, 13-15, and 16 and up. He wants me to take the 13 plus students into the weight room and acclimate (no problem there). He also wants me to give them (all of them, all ages) a speech on fitness and health (have to work on that)...and he wants me to teach them exercises.

So for those of you who have played Basketball, because I haven't, I need some drills/exercises I can do for each age group. I can think of a few things...but I don't really have a clear plan at the moment.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think it is like $60 a month. I went for the past month for free because after they remodeled they offered 1 month free, no strings attached. My friend who has a membership there wanted me to train him for that month and said he could take it from there, so thats what I did. I usually just train at home, I am not a member of any gym.
There is of course also a BS $200 enrollment fee also!

Eeew. That's craziness.

[mrvlknight21]

Okay so now I got a question (Good lord has the Universe collasped :eek:). I have been picked to help one of the coaches at my old High School coach (condition) his students at a Basketball Camp. The Camp has several age levels in it, 8-12, 13-15, and 16 and up. He wants me to take the 13 plus students into the weight room and acclimate (no problem there). He also wants me to give them (all of them, all ages) a speech on fitness and health (have to work on that)...and he wants me to teach them exercises.

So for those of you who have played Basketball, because I haven't, I need some drills/exercises I can do for each age group. I can think of a few things...but I don't really have a clear plan at the moment.

Shadow-
as far as exercises go-conditioning is king so plenty of sprints, suicides, and plyometric stuff for jumping and speed improvement(squat jumps, lunge jumps, etc). One great drill is to have them do a wall squat-up against a wall, drop down until the thighs are parallel w/ the ground and hold it for a period of time, then immediately come off the wall and do a set of squat jumps.
One Im sure we all have done is getting down in a good defensive stance and shuffle laterally back and forth across the court over and over while remaining in that low squat like position.
other sport specific drills would need to include running the 3 man weave w/ a ball, but I am not sure how much you will be involved w/ ball handling drills and all since you have not played.
Check you tube, there are plenty of drills on there I am sure.
Just so you know, I played basketball all through high school and played various leagues between and since then (YMCA, AAU, summer league, intramurals, church league) and I have 3 friends who are high school basketball coaches, (One of which asked me to do this same thing that you are doing w/ his team) so I am not answering this with guesses.

[jaguarr]

Oh, while the men's locker room has the pool table, the women's has massage chairs.

:dry:

Why the hell am I not sore after Friday?! I busted my ass in the gym on Friday and was dying when I left and then I woke up Yesterday and Today feeling next to nothing! WTF! :cmad:

DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness) is definitely not the only marker of a good workout. If you felt like you hit each targeted muscle group properly during your workout, that's all that matters. You can still generate excellent muscle growth and have absolutely no DOMS. However, this can also be a sign that your body is "learning" your workout routine, so it may be that you need to change things up a bit. Have you been using the same rep/set config for awhile? If so, change the weight up and either go heavier with fewer reps or go lighter with more reps. Or, we can look at the exercises you're doing and look at swapping in some alternatives for you to rotate in and out with your current ones.

Okay so now I got a question (Good lord has the Universe collasped :eek:). I have been picked to help one of the coaches at my old High School coach (condition) his students at a Basketball Camp. The Camp has several age levels in it, 8-12, 13-15, and 16 and up. He wants me to take the 13 plus students into the weight room and acclimate (no problem there). He also wants me to give them (all of them, all ages) a speech on fitness and health (have to work on that)...and he wants me to teach them exercises.

So for those of you who have played Basketball, because I haven't, I need some drills/exercises I can do for each age group. I can think of a few things...but I don't really have a clear plan at the moment.

I don't know jack about basketball, though I do know you've got to be in EXCELLENT condition to play it. So, while I don't know any basketball-specific drills, I'd say finding things that will focus on their conditioning, both endurance and repeated short bursts of speed would greatly benefit them.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Sprints and box jumps are what most of my bball playin friends did a lot of.

[ShadowBoxing]

Shadow-
as far as exercises go-conditioning is king so plenty of sprints, suicides, and plyometric stuff for jumping and speed improvement(squat jumps, lunge jumps, etc). One great drill is to have them do a wall squat-up against a wall, drop down until the thighs are parallel w/ the ground and hold it for a period of time, then immediately come off the wall and do a set of squat jumps.
One Im sure we all have done is getting down in a good defensive stance and shuffle laterally back and forth across the court over and over while remaining in that low squat like position.
other sport specific drills would need to include running the 3 man weave w/ a ball, but I am not sure how much you will be involved w/ ball handling drills and all since you have not played.
Check you tube, there are plenty of drills on there I am sure.
Just so you know, I played basketball all through high school and played various leagues between and since then (YMCA, AAU, summer league, intramurals, church league) and I have 3 friends who are high school basketball coaches, (One of which asked me to do this same thing that you are doing w/ his team) so I am not answering this with guesses.
Mmmmkay...some good stuff there...getting ideas.

What about the kiddies.

[BRUTAL]

DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness) is definitely not the only marker of a good workout. If you felt like you hit each targeted muscle group properly during your workout, that's all that matters. You can still generate excellent muscle growth and have absolutely no DOMS. However, this can also be a sign that your body is "learning" your workout routine, so it may be that you need to change things up a bit. Have you been using the same rep/set config for awhile? If so, change the weight up and either go heavier with fewer reps or go lighter with more reps. Or, we can look at the exercises you're doing and look at swapping in some alternatives for you to rotate in and out with your current ones.

jag

The only thing I find myself repeating is my ab exercises, other than that I switch it up. I guess I'll just add more weight. It only happens with my back and biceps though.. :huh:

[jaguarr]

The only thing I find myself repeating is my ab exercises, other than that I switch it up. I guess I'll just add more weight. It only happens with my back and biceps though.. :huh:

The other thing that can cause some of this is a lack of a strong mind-muscle connection, where you're really focused on the muscles being worked and on using them specifically to complete the movements. That can also cause bad form, which doesn't give the optimal working of the muscle, either. Might be worth back the weight off and upping the reps and just spending a couple of workouts really focusing on mind-muscle connection and being sure you're really feeling the exertion specifically where you're supposed to be.

jag

[jaguarr]

Here's a decent article on mind-muscle connection (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/herve1.htm).

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

The only thing I find myself repeating is my ab exercises, other than that I switch it up. I guess I'll just add more weight. It only happens with my back and biceps though.. :huh:Since you mentioned abs, I just decided to bring this up. Make sure you work your low back, either with low back specific movements (like Roman Chair extensions) or multiple joint movements (like Deadlifts). Guys especially focus on their abs while ignoring their low back and this leads to problems down the road.

[jaguarr]

Since you mentioned abs, I just decided to bring this up. Make sure you work your low back, either with low back specific movements (like Roman Chair extensions) or multiple joint movements (like Deadlifts). Guys especially focus on their abs while ignoring their low back and this leads to problems down the road.

Agreed. And it's ironic because the guys that fixate on doing a kabillion crunches are never going to see their abs until they get their diet in check, anyway.

jag

[Super Kal]

Agreed. And it's ironic because the guys that fixate on doing a kabillion crunches are never going to see their abs until they get their diet in check, anyway.

jag
luckily I had you to tell me about that, otherwise I'd still be doing them...



I can't wait to get my bike

[BRUTAL]

I do more hyperextensions than anything... I have back problems, it's one of my focus areas.

Jag, I don't want to lower my weight, I'm trying to build. I used mostly plate loaded equipment for better isolation on Friday. I didn't think it would eliminate the soreness though.

[Colossal Spoons]

Since you mentioned abs, I just decided to bring this up. Make sure you work your low back, either with low back specific movements (like Roman Chair extensions) or multiple joint movements (like Deadlifts). Guys especially focus on their abs while ignoring their low back and this leads to problems down the road.

I think the majority of us here do deads :up:

[Super Kal]

I don't...

[mrvlknight21]

Mmmmkay...some good stuff there...getting ideas.

What about the kiddies.

also-if you have ever seen agility dots-these are very good too! Look that up as well.

smaller kids can do many of the same conditioning exercises-like the suicides and defensive stance shuffle...but you may not want to delve too deep into the plyo stuff with them.

I just called one of my friends who is a coach and he said he likes the Mikan drill. Here is a video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mTiXlbBvjJ4
he said while one player is doing the shooting, the others can be doing squats, ball handling drills or other things in/around the chairs that are set up.

[jaguarr]

I do more hyperextensions than anything... I have back problems, it's one of my focus areas.

I started very low with the deadlift weight (like about 135) because of a bad lower back. It has strengthened my back up over time, though, and gotten rid of a lot of my lower back pain. I pulled a 420 deadlift just before my recent week long break. I'm living proof that they're beneficial. Dead's work everything except the chest, to be honest. They're a fantastic exercise, even if you've got to start small and build up. I really recommend them unless you've got some sort of weird disc problem that the doc told you not to be lifting heavy with (and if that's the case then heavy weight training is probably not the best thing for you to be doing, anyway).


Jag, I don't want to lower my weight, I'm trying to build. I used mostly plate loaded equipment for better isolation on Friday. I didn't think it would eliminate the soreness though.

Well, backing the weight off to focus on form and mind-muscle connection will help you work towards those goals. Your progress will be slower without those two things, and they're also hard to learn if you're lifting really heavy (in fact you're more likely to develop bad habits by lifting really heavy from the get go without getting your form and m-m connection in check). Also, changing things up now and again from lifting super heavy to moderately heavy with more reps and to even lighter still with even more reps helps keep the muscles "confused" enough to continually garner good growth out of them. It also gives the ligaments a chance to catch up with you after the stress of lifting super heavy. So lifting lighter has it's purposes when trying to build/bulk up.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Agreed. And it's ironic because the guys that fixate on doing a kabillion crunches are never going to see their abs until they get their diet in check, anyway.

jag

I have had to explain this a hundred times to people (no, not Freddie, other people).

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm only deadlifting 155 right now. :(

10x though :mad:

[mrvlknight21]

I started very low with the deadlift weight (like about 135) because of a bad lower back. It has strengthened my back up over time, though, and gotten rid of a lot of my lower back pain. I pulled a 420 deadlift just before my recent week long break. I'm living proof that they're beneficial. Dead's work everything except the chest, to be honest. They're a fantastic exercise, even if you've got to start small and build up. I really recommend them unless you've got some sort of weird disc problem that the doc told you not to be lifting heavy with (and if that's the case then heavy weight training is probably not the best thing for you to be doing, anyway).



Well, backing the weight off to focus on form and mind-muscle connection will help you work towards those goals. Your progress will be slower without those two things, and they're also hard to learn if you're lifting really heavy (in fact you're more likely to develop bad habits by lifting really heavy from the get go without getting your form and m-m connection in check). Also, changing things up now and again from lifting super heavy to moderately heavy with more reps and to even lighter still with even more reps helps keep the muscles "confused" enough to continually garner good growth out of them. It also gives the ligaments a chance to catch up with you after the stress of lifting super heavy. So lifting lighter has it's purposes when trying to build/bulk up.

jag

I agree 100% w/ Jag.
Now for me, I do more of the Romanian deadlift than the standard style deadlift. Just a comfort issue ....maybe a mental block.

[jaguarr]

I'm only deadlifting 155 right now. :(

10x though :mad:

It's a difficult lift to learn. Especially if you're starting off with a bad back like I did. It's also very taxing as a heavy compound lift. But the benefits of deads are so numerous. If you're trying to strengthen your back, they cannot be beat.

jag

[CyberFaust]

i've only done them once, but they are hard.
are they good for upper back also?
and, should i wear a belt?
waht do you deadlift?

[ShadowBoxing]

also-if you have ever seen agility dots-these are very good too! Look that up as well.

smaller kids can do many of the same conditioning exercises-like the suicides and defensive stance shuffle...but you may not want to delve too deep into the plyo stuff with them.

I just called one of my friends who is a coach and he said he likes the Mikan drill. Here is a video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mTiXlbBvjJ4
he said while one player is doing the shooting, the others can be doing squats, ball handling drills or other things in/around the chairs that are set up.
Cool, thanks:up:

[Super Kal]

how much do free wights cost these days?

[jaguarr]

i've only done them once, but they are hard.
are they good for upper back also?
and, should i wear a belt?
waht do you deadlift?

They are good for the ENTIRE back. Personally, I feel the only time you should wear a belt is if you have an injury that you're recuperating from or if you have some sort of medical issue, OR if you are going SUPER heavy with a dead lift or squat. Otherwise, they inhibit the isolator/stabilizer muscles from doing their job and becoming stronger from the lifting motion in the course of a normal workout.

jag

[BRUTAL]

I started very low with the deadlift weight (like about 135) because of a bad lower back. It has strengthened my back up over time, though, and gotten rid of a lot of my lower back pain. I pulled a 420 deadlift just before my recent week long break. I'm living proof that they're beneficial. Dead's work everything except the chest, to be honest. They're a fantastic exercise, even if you've got to start small and build up. I really recommend them unless you've got some sort of weird disc problem that the doc told you not to be lifting heavy with (and if that's the case then heavy weight training is probably not the best thing for you to be doing, anyway).

I'll start doing more deadlifts then I guess. :up:

Well, backing the weight off to focus on form and mind-muscle connection will help you work towards those goals. Your progress will be slower without those two things, and they're also hard to learn if you're lifting really heavy (in fact you're more likely to develop bad habits by lifting really heavy from the get go without getting your form and m-m connection in check). Also, changing things up now and again from lifting super heavy to moderately heavy with more reps and to even lighter still with even more reps helps keep the muscles "confused" enough to continually garner good growth out of them. It also gives the ligaments a chance to catch up with you after the stress of lifting super heavy. So lifting lighter has it's purposes when trying to build/bulk up.

jag

I think you're probably right there, maybe switch it up from week to week going light-medium-heavy weight with the according reps. Think I'll give that a go.

[jaguarr]

I think you're probably right there, maybe switch it up from week to week going light-medium-heavy weight with the according reps. Think I'll give that a go.

Just experiment with it and see what brings you the best results. I've found that running a set/rep configuration for 2-3 weeks before switching it up brings me the best results. Everyone's a little different.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

kakarot-you can get free weights (plates or dumbbells) for less than $1 a pound.

even at walmart, there are deals to be had
http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=4125&search_query=dumbbell&ic=24_0

however, usually yard sales, newspapers, craigs list and others-you can find incredible deals.

[CyberFaust]

They are good for the ENTIRE back. Personally, I feel the only time you should wear a belt is if you have an injury that you're recuperating from or if you have some sort of medical issue, OR if you are going SUPER heavy with a dead lift or squat. Otherwise, they inhibit the isolator/stabilizer muscles from doing their job and becoming stronger from the lifting motion in the course of a normal workout.

jag
:up:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/CyberFaust/arnold_the_education_of_a_bodybuild.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

It's a difficult lift to learn. Especially if you're starting off with a bad back like I did. It's also very taxing as a heavy compound lift. But the benefits of deads are so numerous. If you're trying to strengthen your back, they cannot be beat.

jag

I had gotten up to 225 when I was adding mass. They really are an amazing lift. :up:

[BRUTAL]

Jag, what do you have on some Upper/Mid Back (Trapezius & Latissimus Dorsi) Freeweight routines? Even Rear Deltoid stuff would be good.

[mrvlknight21]

1 arm rows are one of my favorites..but you didnt ask me.

[ShadowBoxing]

Agreed. And it's ironic because the guys that fixate on doing a kabillion crunches are never going to see their abs until they get their diet in check, anyway.

jagAh yes...too true. You gots to get the cardio in as well.

[mrvlknight21]

I recently found a picture of me back when i had great abs...made me wish I could go back and do things over

[ShadowBoxing]

Jag, what do you have on some Upper/Mid Back (Trapezius & Latissimus Dorsi) Freeweight routines? Even Rear Deltoid stuff would be good.
The rear delt and Trap can be worked in with a back or shoulder routine. I actually find it good to mix it up whether I hit traps and rear delts with shoulders or back. Latissimus Dorsi is hit by Chin ups, Pull ups, Lat Pull downs, pull overs and certain rows to name a few. Traps are hit by shrugs, deadlifts, and farmer's walks (I like farmer's walks quiet a bit -- sometimes I'll mix them with shrugs). With back I find heavy seated rows and heavy deadlifts (and pull ups) to be the best for size, while pull overs and lat pulldowns seem to help me more with definition.

My routine is always changing but I usually do

At least 4 sets of Seated rows.
3 sets of Chin ups
and 3-4 sets of Deadlifts (not necessarily in that order) mixed with smaller movements.

Always be sure to vary your rep and sets, and also vary where and how you attack each exercise.

[jaguarr]

Jag, what do you have on some Upper/Mid Back (Trapezius & Latissimus Dorsi) Freeweight routines? Even Rear Deltoid stuff would be good.

Bent over Barbell rows. 1 Arm DB rows (like Devil said). T-Bar Rows. I also like seated cable rows and standing Face Pulls (use the double-handled rowing attachment like this: http://www.ironcompany.com/ProductImages/troy/gctlarge.jpg. Attach it to an upper cable system and add a bit of weight and then pull it to your face, flexing your back and rear delts as you do so.). Also, Rack Chins, pulldowns and pullups (shoulder width grip and hammer grip). :up:

jag

[jaguarr]

Oh, and for traps, heavy barbell shrugs. As heavy as you can go. I've been going about 320 on my shrugs, lately. My traps won't grow unless I get really heavy with the shrugs. You can also do them with dumbbells, but I don't get as much out of those.

jag

[jaguarr]

Damn double posts. :cmad:

jag

[Super Kal]

I've been stuck at 265 for the past 2 weeks... anyone have any suggestions?

[jaguarr]

I've been stuck at 265 for the past 2 weeks... anyone have any suggestions?

What have you been doing with your diet and exercise the last 2 weeks? Need more info. :)

jag

[mrvlknight21]

what have you done differently? It may be time to add more work, change the work intensity or something.
Plus-I have not seen you mention your diet (although you may have and I just missed it).

[mrvlknight21]

damn jag, you and I are on same wave.

[Super Kal]

I've been doing everything I've been doing that has gotten me down to 265... eat a balanced diet (1200-1800 calories), and walk/jog 2.27 miles a day.

[mrvlknight21]

by the way, anyone check on those guys in the 300 thread who were going to take before and after pics while going through the "Leonidas workout"????
I checked about 10 days ago and strangely...there have been no new posts in months...hmmmm...

[jaguarr]

I've been doing everything I've been doing that has gotten me down to 265... eat a balanced diet (1200-1800 calories), and walk/jog 2.27 miles a day.

What does your macro breakdown look like with your calories? And 1200-1800 is a HUGE swing in consistency from day to day. And it may not be enough calories to boot. You probably need to consistently be at around 2200 or so, roughly.

jag

[jaguarr]

by the way, anyone check on those guys in the 300 thread who were going to take before and after pics while going through the "Leonidas workout"????
I checked about 10 days ago and strangely...there have been no new posts in months...hmmmm...

Maybe they died trying to do that stupid workout. :D

jag

[mrvlknight21]

yeah, kakarot, maybe you should increase the distance or intensity of that jog/walk.
also-have you thought about adding some basic bodyweight exercises? Pushups and the like? I dont know what your schedule is, but maybe walk in the morning and do the exercise at night.
Saying you are eating a balanced diet of 1200-1800 calories doesnt give us a whole lot more info...also, I would recommend you eat more than 1200 calories a day anyways.

[Symbiote Hulk]

I've been stuck at 265 for the past 2 weeks... anyone have any suggestions?
Muscle or fat?

If muscle. Your good. No need to gain anymore weight. If fat, I don't know...

I'm stuck at a 130 pounds for over a month. Any sugestions how to gain muscle weight? I take one shake oh this everyday:
http://www.weider.ca/fr/product/images/WeightGainerBig.jpg

DO I need to take more? I don't want to go on roids or blow in fake water muscles by taking creatine....

[mrvlknight21]

Maybe they died trying to do that stupid workout. :D

jag

I kind of hope so. :cmad:

[Super Kal]

i don't know what that means, jag

[mrvlknight21]

Muscle or fat?

If muscle. Your good. No need to gain anymore weight. If fat, I don't know...

I'm stuck at a 130 pounds for over a month. Any sugestions how to gain muscle weight? I take one shake oh this everyday:
http://www.weider.ca/fr/product/images/WeightGainerBig.jpg

DO I need to take more? I don't want to go on roids or blow in fake water muscles by taking creatine....


The weider weight gainer aside, what does the rest of your typical diet look like. (also-what does that have in it)
What about the workout-how does it break down?

[jaguarr]

Muscle or fat?

If muscle. Your good. No need to gain anymore weight. If fat, I don't know...

I'm stuck at a 130 pounds for over a month. Any sugestions how to gain muscle weight? I take one shake oh this everyday:
http://www.weider.ca/fr/product/images/WeightGainerBig.jpg

DO I need to take more? I don't want to go on roids or blow in fake water muscles by taking creatine....


You don't need that crap. You just need to eat more.

i don't know what that means, jag

What's your breakout of calories in protein vs. protein in carbs vs. protein in fats? And why are you fluctuating between 1200 and 1800 calories per day? You need to be consistent. And 1800 probably isn't enough calories, anyway. You probably need to be up around 2200 per day, every day, minimum.

jag

[Super Kal]

yeah, kakarot, maybe you should increase the distance or intensity of that jog/walk.
also-have you thought about adding some basic bodyweight exercises? Pushups and the like? I dont know what your schedule is, but maybe walk in the morning and do the exercise at night.
Saying you are eating a balanced diet of 1200-1800 calories doesnt give us a whole lot more info...also, I would recommend you eat more than 1200 calories a day anyways.
I tried the cardio in the morning routine, and I felt absolutely terrible all day... felt like I was being lazy.

it's damn hard to eat 2000 calories worth when you're not that hungry to begin with...

damnit, I'm getting so f**king frustrated with this crap

[Super Kal]

You don't need that crap. You just need to eat more.



What's your breakout of calories in protein vs. protein in carbs vs. protein in fats? And why are you fluctuating between 1200 and 1800 calories per day? You need to be consistent. And 1800 probably isn't enough calories, anyway. You probably need to be up around 2200 per day, every day, minimum.

jag
i went to a site, and they suggested 2000 calories for me to lose weight

[jaguarr]

i went to a site, and they suggested 2000 calories for me to lose weight

I think I helped you work through this as well at one point via PM. 1200-1800 is NOT 2000 calories per day on a consistent basis. You're confusing your metabolism and making it unsure as to when it's going to get it's next meal when you hit those 1200 calories per day lows, so it's shutting down on you and storing everything you put into your body. You need to hit that 2000 calorie mark every day, consistently. And Devil is right as well in that you could try upping your walking/jogging distance/time a bit as well.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

I tried the cardio in the morning routine, and I felt absolutely terrible all day... felt like I was being lazy.

it's damn hard to eat 2000 calories worth when you're not that hungry to begin with...

damnit, I'm getting so f**king frustrated with this crap

It is a tough process to get adjusted to, just be patient.
Are you spreading your calories out between 3 meals or 5-6? It may be easier (it is also better for metabolism) to spead the calories out between 5-6 smaller meals. You shouldnt have a problem getting the 2000 calories in this way.
What about reversing the process and doing some exercises in the morning and the walking in the afternoon/evening? you could do this at the same time, but it may be easier (and less time consuming) to break it into 2 workouts.

[Super Kal]

so on days when I'm not that hungry, you're basically telling me "force yourself"...

that's not really healthy

[mrvlknight21]

so on days when I'm not that hungry, you're basically telling me "force yourself"...

that's not really healthy


Nobody is saying to force feed. Break it down into several meals like I mentioned and you shouldnt have a problem. Right now, as Jag said, you are making your body think that it is starving and making it go catabolic, where you store calories, rather than burn them.
It is a different process, but it is better for you to eat what you need and get the exercise to keep metabolism rolling.

[jaguarr]

so on days when I'm not that hungry, you're basically telling me "force yourself"...

that's not really healthy

If you are undereating (which you are), it's healthy. You need to get your body used to taking in the optimum amount of calories every day. Like Devil said, if you're eating 5-6 small to medium sized meals each day, this shouldn't be too difficult for you. My wife had to learn how to eat all over again and she was eating a max of 600 calories per day. Yeah...600. And now she's up to a healthy 1500 per day and benefiting from it. But man was it a chore for her to learn how to eat that many calories per day for the first few weeks. You have to basically retrain your body how to eat. Eating so few calories like you are is actually what's not healthy.

jag

[Super Kal]

It is a tough process to get adjusted to, just be patient.
Are you spreading your calories out between 3 meals or 5-6? It may be easier (it is also better for metabolism) to spead the calories out between 5-6 smaller meals. You shouldnt have a problem getting the 2000 calories in this way.
well, to be honest, it varies, but I never have the chance to get breakfast in, and when I do spread it out over the day, I still feel horrible because sometimes, I'm eating and I'm not doing a damn thing.

What about reversing the process and doing some exercises in the morning and the walking in the afternoon/evening? you could do this at the same time, but it may be easier (and less time consuming) to break it into 2 workouts.
that's exactly what I've been doing ever since I started... I do 30 minutes of walking/jogging at 1pm (roughly equals at least 6000 ft.), then another 30 minutes at 6pm (so all in all, over 12,000 ft., so at least 2.27 miles)

[Super Kal]

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[Super Kal]

...

why does this have to be so damn hard?

[mrvlknight21]

Okay, well try to add those two together and do them at the same time-go for 2 miles at once.
Also-breakfast is very important, first meal when you get up, your body needs to get those nutrients-why havent you been doing that?

[mrvlknight21]

...

why does this have to be so damn hard?

Anything worth doing usually is hard.

[BRUTAL]

...

why does this have to be so damn hard?

If you actually tried to put on the weight you're trying to lose in the same length of time, you see this is actually easier.

[Super Kal]

Okay, well try to add those two together and do them at the same time-go for 2 miles at once.
Also-breakfast is very important, first meal when you get up, your body needs to get those nutrients-why havent you been doing that?
I never get up in time...

If you actually tried to put on the weight you're trying to lose in the same length of time, you see this is actually easier.
you're making it sound like I need to eat 30 pounds a day in order to lose 30 more pounds...

[BRUTAL]

I never get up in time...


you're making it sound like I need to eat 30 pounds a day in order to lose 30 more pounds...

Sound more like you have an excuse for everything and don't really care about getting healthy... only LOOKING healthy. It doesn't work that way champ.

[mrvlknight21]

So, you COULD eat breakfast, but just arent waking up early enough? This is obviously something that you are in complete control of then. It is up to you to wake up in order to get that first meal in.

[BRUTAL]

Get up in time? For what? Does the Breakfast Man Knock on your door at 7:30 every morning? Get up and eat, who gives a s**t about time?

[Super Kal]

Sound more like you have an excuse for everything and don't really care about getting healthy... only LOOKING healthy. It doesn't work that way champ.
265 isn't healthy, but I sure as hell don't f**king think that eating 30 pounds a day is gonna make me lose weight either, and I care more about being healthy than looking healthy... so get the f**k off your high horse.

[BRUTAL]

265 isn't healthy, but I sure as hell don't f**king think that eating 30 pounds a day is gonna make me lose weight either, and I care more about being healthy than looking healthy... so get the f**k off your high horse.

How about you calm down Mr. Blood Pressure?

You don't eat anything and just sit on your ass. Eating right (no matter how much) IN CONJUNCTION with going to the gym will yield positive results. Who the hell is tell you to eat 30 pounds a day? You'd be s**tting constantly. How about you take the advice of the people here who are willing to help your fat ass for free?

[mrvlknight21]

I think Brutal meant that it is easier to lose weight than to gain muscle. I think.

[BRUTAL]

I think Brutal meant that it is easier to lose weight than to gain muscle. I think.

No, what I was trying to say is that if he spent the same amount of time and energy on a treadmill as he did stuffing his craw, this wouldn't be an issue to begin with.

What I was getting at is, why someone would be unhappy with the way they look, ask for help, and then b**ch and moan about how difficult it's going to be.

[Super Kal]

How about you calm down Mr. Blood Pressure?

You don't eat anything and just sit on your ass. Eating right (no matter how much) IN CONJUNCTION with going to the gym will yield positive results. Who the hell is tell you to eat 30 pounds a day? You'd be s**tting constantly. How about you take the advice of the people here who are willing to help your fat ass for free?
lol, he actually thinks all I do is sit around...

you know what, **** you. You just aren't worth my time, because if you actually spent the time reading my posts, you'd know that I don't sit on my ass and do nothing. I do get up and do something, otherwise, I'd be over 300 lbs. by now. You obviously didn't think that through...

[mrvlknight21]

No, what I was trying to say is that if he spent the same amount of time and energy on a treadmill as he did stuffing his craw, this wouldn't be an issue to begin with.

What I was getting at is, why someone would be unhappy with the way they look, ask for help, and then b**ch and moan about how difficult it's going to be.

Oh, okay, I misread that as well, I guess.

[Super Kal]

No, what I was trying to say is that if he spent the same amount of time and energy on a treadmill as he did stuffing his craw, this wouldn't be an issue to begin with.

What I was getting at is, why someone would be unhappy with the way they look, ask for help, and then ***** and moan about how difficult it's going to be.
there you go again, thinking you know everything about me... you're just full of **** today, aren't ya?

every day, I get out there and bust my ass doing cardio, and that alone has helped me lose 30 pounds... right now, I've just hit a stump in the road (so to speak), and I came on here to see what I was doing wrong..

but then again, you probably won't believe me anyways, because you already have a preconceived stereotypical image of me in your head.

[mrvlknight21]

Alright...look, think about what Jag and I said kakarot. And think about the changes/additions in the exercise department. Those two things should help you make more gains quickly (or losses in your case).

[Super Kal]

I will definitely put it into action... I already put some of it into action today by making up the calories I didn't eat earlier today

[BRUTAL]

Buddy, I never made any assumptions about you until you started complaining about how hard it is.

You came in here to find out how to lose more weight, great. But then you started crying about how the advice wasn't what you thought it would be? You don't eat enough, PERIOD. Your body needs food to keep itself going and to feed the parts of it that you are working. If you aren't eating enough your body will start to feed of itself and your muscles will decrease and when you finally do eat it'll all go towards being fat deposits.

So how about you stop getting all aggressive at me. I never claimed to know a thing about you. But unless you're around 7 feet tall, I'm pretty sure you didn't get above 250lbs by being active.

[mrvlknight21]

ok, stick with it...you will continue to get results, just have to tweak things every now and then and always try to get more info (like you are already doing).
keep it up!

[Super Kal]

Buddy, I never made any assumptions about you until you started complaining about how hard it is.

You came in here to find out how to lose more weight, great. But then you started crying about how the advice wasn't what you thought it would be? You don't eat enough, PERIOD. Your body needs food to keep itself going and to feed the parts of it that you are working. If you aren't eating enough your body will start to feed of itself and your muscles will decrease and when you finally do eat it'll all go towards being fat deposits.

So how about you stop getting all aggressive at me. I never claimed to know a thing about you. But unless you're around 7 feet tall, I'm pretty sure you didn't get above 250lbs by being active.
yes, I was very inactive for a very long time, but I am willing to change that.

Yes, I do realize that it's going to be tough, but I sure as hell wasn't b****ing about it...

and the ONLY reason I was so aggressive at you was because you blatantly insulted me by calling me a fat ass.

[BRUTAL]

yes, I was very inactive for a very long time, but I am willing to change that.

Yes, I do realize that it's going to be tough, but I sure as hell wasn't b****ing about it...

and the ONLY reason I was so aggressive at you was because you blatantly insulted me by calling me a fat ass.

First off, good. You do have to realize that it's going to be tougher for your body to get in better shape because of that previous lifestyle. You'll have to work double hard to untrain your body and break it of those bad habits.

You have to eat more, it sucks, but be thankful you're trying to drop weight. I'm trying to gain. 3200 calories a day.

In my world, HAVING a fat ass is different than BEING a fat ass. If you have a fat ass, you can work it off, if you are a fat ass then you're just lazy.

[Super Kal]

i certainly don't consider myself lazy

[BRUTAL]

i certainly don't consider myself lazy

Then you just happen to have a fat ass and therefore have the opportunity to work it off.

[jaguarr]

Wow. Let's all take a step back and take a big breath. This stuff is not worth getting so wound up about. Karot, you can accomplish your goals. You've just got to stick to your guns, not get discouraged, and make adjustments when and where appropriate to get you there. :up:

jag

[BRUTAL]

I think my methods of inspiration are more prone for those with thicker skin...

[jaguarr]

Everyone finds motivation in different forms. :findyourmotivationshrug:

jag

[BRUTAL]

My motivation is seeing fat people... :fatpeople"workingout"shrug:

[Super Kal]

that's starting to become my motivation...

[Colossal Spoons]

Whew, testosterone overload these past few pages huh? :p

[Colossal Spoons]

I need a bit of advice on my back routine. Right now I do(in this order)

Deadlifts
Lat Pulldowns
Seated Rows
T-Bar Rows

I'd like to work in:

Rack Chins
Bent-Over Rows

I really only have time for 4 to make sure I get a full bicep or tricep workout in and still keep it under an hour. I'm wondering which ones out of the 4 exercises I currently do can be subbed out every other week so I can do the 2 I wanna do. Deadlifts aren't going anywhere so I guess only the other 3 are negotiable. :up: My goal is to work my whole back and lats.

[chaseter]

I want to start to get back into the body I had in high school before the college slump. I have weights to lift and such, but what are some good products to suplement for meals and add muscle mass. Note I am not fat, just have a little belly I want to turn into a six pack along with bigger muscles.

[BRUTAL]

Whew, testosterone overload these past few pages huh? :p

What ever do you mean darlin'? :meow:

[Colossal Spoons]

What ever do you mean darlin'? :meow:

/estrogen


lol

[BRUTAL]

:cmad:

:roidrage:

[Colossal Spoons]

That's better :mad:

[BRUTAL]

:doworkface:

[jaguarr]

I need a bit of advice on my back routine. Right now I do(in this order)

Deadlifts
Lat Pulldowns
Seated Rows
T-Bar Rows

I'd like to work in:

Rack Chins
Bent-Over Rows

I really only have time for 4 to make sure I get a full bicep or tricep workout in and still keep it under an hour. I'm wondering which ones out of the 4 exercises I currently do can be subbed out every other week so I can do the 2 I wanna do. Deadlifts aren't going anywhere so I guess only the other 3 are negotiable. :up: My goal is to work my whole back and lats.

Personally, I never got much out of T-Bar Rows. Always had better luck with Bent-Over Rows or Inclined Bench Supported Rows (face down on a slightly inclined bench and then rowing the barbell underneath). If it were my routine, I'd reconstruct it like this:

Rack Chins
Deadlifts
Bent Over Rows
Seated Rows

The Rack Chins will make a nice warm up before the Deads, and you don't need Pulldowns AND Rack Chins. Given the choice, I'd choose Rack Chins.

jag

[Super Kal]

regarding the caloric intake, what snacks would you recommend?
I know not potato chips or chocolate or stuff like that...

[Colossal Spoons]

:doworkface:

I'd kill to have a "Do Work" smiley :(

[BRUTAL]

I'd kill to have a "Do Work" smiley :(

Give me the pic of your "Do Work!" Face and I'll whip something up.

[Colossal Spoons]

Personally, I never got much out of T-Bar Rows. Always had better luck with Bent-Over Rows or Inclined Bench Supported Rows (face down on a slightly inclined bench and then rowing the barbell underneath). If it were my routine, I'd reconstruct it like this:

Rack Chins
Deadlifts
Bent Over Rows
Seated Rows

The Rack Chins will make a nice warm up before the Deads, and you don't need Pulldowns AND Rack Chins. Given the choice, I'd choose Rack Chins.

jag

-I've only been doin T-Bar rows for 3 weeks now and they give me a pretty good burn in my middle back the next day but like you, they don't feel as effective as they could be.

-rack chins vs. pulldowns. Hmmm

[Colossal Spoons]

Give me the pic of your "Do Work!" Face and I'll whip something up.

Will do as soon as I leave ATP's house and go back home :D

[BRUTAL]

Will do as soon as I leave ATP's house and go back home :D

Bow-Chicka

[Colossal Spoons]

Not this week :(

It's ok though, I was getting laid too much anyway :o

[BRUTAL]

Not this week :(

It's ok though, I was getting laid too much anyway :o

Bwahahahhaaa!

[Colossal Spoons]

Worst part is, Fred Fury is a grown ass man lol. Braggin to comic nerds...for shame.

[BRUTAL]

Worst part is, Fred Fury is a grown ass man lol. Braggin to comic nerds...for shame.

"Braggin"

[Colossal Spoons]

We drop g's in this house lol

[CyberFaust]

woo, page 300 :D

[mrvlknight21]

kakarot-as far as snacks or "in between" meals, you can substitute anything healthy. A tuna sandwich on wheat for example (not with the mayo and all, just the tuna). Fruit with some form of protein. Even just a meal replacement shake.
The possibilities are endless really-just make it a nice balance of good carbs and protein. You can even have a little good fat like a handful of nuts also. A grilled chicken breast on a side salad...the list goes on.

[mrvlknight21]

woo, page 300 :D

To that I say "Amen."
You know guys, I wasn't even visiting the hype for a long time until Storm told me that Shadowboxing had started this thread and that it was pretty active.
So, thanks to SB for the beginning and all of you for keeping it going. This thread is the main reason I even come to the hype.
Ok, wipe your tears, the speech is over.

[Super Kal]

are sunflower seeds okay?

[jaguarr]

Protein: Beef (eaten twice a week, beef or other red meats can reduce or eliminate the need for creatine supplementation), buffalo, fish (salmon, mackerel, tuna, trout), chicken, turkey, almonds, peanuts, peanut butter, eggs (get the free-range grain fed produced eggs; they’re much higher in Omega-3’s and are usually fresher), beans, lentils, cheese and of course a good whey protein supplement. I prefer Optimum Nutrition’s 100% Whey Gold Standard.



Carbohydrates: There are many types of carbohydrates. The kind we’re after are complex carbohydrates that provide the body with sustained fuel rather than breaking down quickly and either burn off as energy or convert to fat stores such as simple carbohydrates (sugar, for example). Good sources of complex carbs are oatmeal, yams or sweet potatoes, brown rice, wild rice, wheat pasta, potatoes, whole grain cereals, peas, beans and lentils, and wholemeal breads (keep an eye out for excess sodium and HFCS in most commercial breads).



Essential Fatty Acids (EFA’s): Contrary to popular misconception, not all fats are bad for you. Some are very good for us, as a matter of fact, and our bodies require them to keep a healthy endocrine system as well as properly lubed joints and healthy skin. Good sources of EFA’s are olive oil, flaxseed, fish oil (a good fish oil capsule supplement should be part of your daily routine because the benefits are almost countless), nuts and seeds, cruciferous vegetables like broccoli and brussell sprouts, and even the yolks of eggs (especially the previously mentioned free-range grain-fed variety) have a lot of great EFA’s in them.



Fruits & Vegetables: As far as I’m concerned, you can eat all the vegetables you want. Try to include some in every meal. Carrots, broccoli, green beans, corn. It’s all good and really won’t do much to throw your macronutrients off. Fruit contains more fructose so you’ll want to be a bit more careful with fruit as that can convert to fat if you eat too much. Bananas are an excellent source of potassium. Oranges have a lot of vitamin c. And nearly all fruits and vegetables provide a lot of fiber, which will be your friend considering how much protein you’ll be taking in.

Water: The OTHER food group. Drink 1-1.5 gallons (yes, GALLONS) of water over the course of each day. You need to stay hydrated and you need to keep your natural filters (i.e. your kidneys) cleaned out.

Nuts, sunflower seeds, peanut butter, bananas, fresh fruit, vegetables, granola, string cheese, yogurt...all great snacks.

jag

[Super Kal]

Nuts, sunflower seeds, peanut butter, bananas, fresh fruit, vegetables, granola, string cheese, yogurt...all great snacks.

jag
thank you... I thought it was gonna be tougher than that

[MakeMineMarvel]

You just have to watch your amount of intake with some of those snacks (yes I'm back on this thread after nearly sitting out since the first couple of pages.) Nuts are a great snack, and excellent for some natural fats, but the calories add up quickly. Peanut butter is the same way. Yogurt is a very good snack, just seek brands that aren't jacked up in carbs and sugars.

I'm 30 days into my current summer shape up program and have dropped 23 lbs. with a mix of cardio, yoga, tae-bo, and weight lifting. My diet is in ultra-check with about a 50-30-20 mix of protein, carbs and fats. I'm looking to drop about 30-35 more in the next 60 days.

[jaguarr]

You just have to watch your amount of intake with some of those snacks (yes I'm back on this thread after nearly sitting out since the first couple of pages.) Nuts are a great snack, and excellent for some natural fats, but the calories add up quickly. Peanut butter is the same way. Yogurt is a very good snack, just seek brands that aren't jacked up in carbs and sugars.

I'm 30 days into my current summer shape up program and have dropped 23 lbs. with a mix of cardio, yoga, tae-bo, and weight lifting. My diet is in ultra-check with about a 50-30-20 mix of protein, carbs and fats. I'm looking to drop about 30-35 more in the next 60 days.

Good to see you 'round here, bro! Sounds like you're making some great progress, too. Do work! :up:

jag

[Super Kal]

You just have to watch your amount of intake with some of those snacks (yes I'm back on this thread after nearly sitting out since the first couple of pages.) Nuts are a great snack, and excellent for some natural fats, but the calories add up quickly. Peanut butter is the same way. Yogurt is a very good snack, just seek brands that aren't jacked up in carbs and sugars.

I'm 30 days into my current summer shape up program and have dropped 23 lbs. with a mix of cardio, yoga, tae-bo, and weight lifting. My diet is in ultra-check with about a 50-30-20 mix of protein, carbs and fats. I'm looking to drop about 30-35 more in the next 60 days.
oh, I definitely will watch it... and congrats on the weight loss

[Super Kal]

hey jag, what exactly does green tea do for the body?

I've read some of the people that use it here, and I've done a little bit of research on it, but I'm still unclear as to what it provides the body other than antioxidants

[jaguarr]

Green tea is awesome stuff:

http://chinesefood.about.com/library/weekly/aa011400a.htm

jag

[Super Kal]

I'm glad I picked some up then...

what would you suggest: the pill or the tea?

[jaguarr]

I'm glad I picked some up then...

what would you suggest: the pill or the tea?

They both bring benefits. With the capsules, you can get far more EGCG than you can from drinking the tea, though.

jag

[CyberFaust]

i hope red tea is just as good, because i switched from soft drinks to red tea

[jaguarr]

i hope red tea is just as good, because i switched from soft drinks to red tea

Red Tea will kill you if you drink too much of it.

jag

[CyberFaust]

cool! :D
in what way?

[Super Kal]

They both bring benefits. With the capsules, you can get far more EGCG than you can from drinking the tea, though.

jag
I've read that it's also a natural fat burner... is this true?