The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[Alexia Dark]

This is assuming you work out three times a week, but:

Maintenance intake: 2030 Calories/day
Fat Loss Intake: 1624 Calories/day

I'd say you're probably undereating and stalling your metabolism out.

jag

I do a bit of walking... now more than before. I'm probably undereating, but I'm on a budget... I can't spend $50/week on calcium-extra orange juice and a billion fruits and veggies and meat you actually have to cook.

LOL, that's rather funny. I'm overweight because I don't eat enough. Probably why I'm so tired after working out. Also because I'm anemic. Actually, I went on another site a few weeks ago that asked the same questions you did, and it told me I'm still technically 'healthy'. Strangely, I don't often get hungry. And there are occations where I probably eat far too much... peanut butter chip cookies are far too tempting... I refuse to buy them anymore...

See, this is why I need 'The Last Ten Pounds Bootcamp'. They make food for me, lol. And I'd have tons of time to work out.

Shame I don't live in Vancouver *sigh*.

[jaguarr]

I do a bit of walking... now more than before. I'm probably undereating, but I'm on a budget... I can't spend $50/week on calcium-extra orange juice and a billion fruits and veggies and meat you actually have to cook.

LOL, that's rather funny. I'm overweight because I don't eat enough. Probably why I'm so tired after working out. Also because I'm anemic. Actually, I went on another site a few weeks ago that asked the same questions you did, and it told me I'm still technically 'healthy'. Strangely, I don't often get hungry. And there are occations where I probably eat far too much... peanut butter chip cookies are far too tempting... I refuse to buy them anymore...

See, this is why I need 'The Last Ten Pounds Bootcamp'. They make food for me, lol. And I'd have tons of time to work out.

Shame I don't live in Vancouver *sigh*.

My wife had the same problem coming to terms with that as well. We finally got her calories up to ~1500 per day and it's done wonders for her including her energy levels. :up: There are A LOT of women who severely undereat and pay the price for it. What happens is that your body is used to running on a VERY low caloric intake over the long haul, but most people interrupt that with binge eating here and there. The body takes the caloric intake from those binges, no matter how big or small (and remember, if you're used to taking in 800 calories a day, 1200 calories all of a sudden IS binge eating if you go back to the 800 after a day or two) and immediately converts them to fatty stores instead of energy because it doesn't know when it will see that sort of fuel again. Rinse and repeat over time and you put on weight. Keep your caloric intake ramped up where your body doesn't feel compelled to store fat all the time "just in case" and it will start to burn it off because it doesn't have a need to store it anymore since it's getting enough calories to sustain itself and keep the metabolism operating at optimum rate. So, yeah....you've got to eat to lose weight in some instances. :)

jag

[Super Kal]

too bad you can't tell your body what to do... it would be so much easier that way...

[Arkady Rossovich]

screw cardio im gonna sit on my ass all day and eat oreos

That`s a bad out look.If you do that,then expect to get fat..unappealing and die at an early age.

[Alexia Dark]

I really should get on a diet plan. But I don't have the money to get the ingredients, the time (or skill) to cook, and half of the stuff peole suggest I absolutely cannot stand (tomatoes, cottage cheese, salad, ect).

I'm a very picky eater.

[Whirlysplat]

The Whirlster 17 and a half stone of monster. dig the almost 19 inch arms in this pic!!! Damn it won't re-upload check the membere pictur thread if you're interested.

[user123456789]

I really should get on a diet plan. But I don't have the money to get the ingredients, the time (or skill) to cook, and half of the stuff peole suggest I absolutely cannot stand (tomatoes, cottage cheese, salad, ect).

I'm a very picky eater.
lol eating healthy is not as hard as you make it out to be

you're just too lazy and want everything spoon fed

[Alexia Dark]

Perhaps.

[Super Kal]

any luck with fitday.com alexia?

[Alexia Dark]

I got a bit distracted and just got around to looking at it again now.

[Super Kal]

:up:

[Alexia Dark]

I don't think that site is for me. I don't have internet access every day, and I'm certainly not adding up every calorie I eat and every minute I walk.

[Xan-El]

Ah yes the stubborn six pack. Well here is the deal. You go into gyms everyday and here this guy..."I'm doing more reps for tone". I want to slap those people (heck I want to slap a lot of people in the gym). Reps don't equal tone...the only thing that equals tone is bodyfat percentage. Some people will never be able to have a clear definitive six pack....actually Schwarzenegger was one of these people as are several pro bodybuilders. For them the only path to a six pack is maximizing the muscle size (or in Arnolds case just simple there general appearance). People without a definitive six pack tend to be either endomorphs, who will have to do an excessive amount of low calorie dieting and target heart rate cardio to get rid of it, or the other two groups with a POOR DIET. I can tell you one things, outside of eating frequent and small meals you also need to cut out non-egg dairy (Ice cream, Milk, cheese) if you ever want to see your six pack. Milk products create a very fine layer of fat between your muscle and your skin. Most fat inertwines with muscle. Perhaps you've seen people with fatty muscle before...Powerlifters and Football players tend to be like this.

Unless you have a freakishly high metabolism, you must diet AND exercise to see a six pack. For ectomorphs, highly intense cardio typically provides good fat burning. A good cardio session may actually only be 4 minutes of 30 second sprint then 30 secong jog...do this 3 times a week and bump it up on the third or fourth week a minute if it proves to easy. Other good cardio ideas for people is distance running for 30 minutes twice a week with something else on the third day (swimming maybe). Another is the bleep test.

Shadowboxing

Hey Bro, love this thread! I have a question. I'm 6'2 248 lbs. I think I should be around 170 lbs. What suggestions do you have for me to lose weight???I would truly appreciate it. Thanks.

[Super Kal]

I don't think that site is for me. I don't have internet access every day, and I'm certainly not adding up every calorie I eat and every minute I walk.
jag has suggested this to me, so I'll do the same...

it's always good to keep a journal

[Alexia Dark]

Yay fitness.

*eats BBQ'd hamburger with processed cheese*

:csad:

[user123456789]

Yay fitness.

*eats BBQ'd hamburger with processed cheese*

:csad:
i love u

can i have a bite?

[Super Kal]

is an exercise bike better than walking?

because it sure does feel like it...

[Alexia Dark]

i love u

can i have a bite?

Hahahahaha... no :).

[terry78]

Hahahahaha... no :).

That burger gets more of her undying affection than you ever will, sad to say. :ninja:

[Alexia Dark]

So, today I've had 2 peices of PB&J multigrain toast, two bowls of low-fat frozen yoghurt, 1 can of pepsi, 2 glasses of orange juice, a BBQ'd hamburger with a whole wheat bun and proccessed cheese, and a banana. How far behind in calories do you think I am?

[Super Kal]

I'm starting to get frustrated again

[user123456789]

is an exercise bike better than walking?

because it sure does feel like it...
its lower impact, so thats a plus
So, today I've had 2 peices of PB&J multigrain toast, two bowls of low-fat frozen yoghurt, 1 can of pepsi, 2 glasses of orange juice, a BBQ'd hamburger with a whole wheat bun and proccessed cheese, and a banana. How far behind in calories do you think I am?
www.nutritiondata.com

i can't believe you actually drank that garbage (pepsi)... at least make it diet!

[Alexia Dark]

I like Pepsi. Diet is disgusting, and probably almost as bad as regular.

[user123456789]

I like Pepsi. Diet is disgusting, and probably almost as bad as regular.
false!!!!!!!

who tells you this crap?

diet, although not as good as pure water, is HEAPS better than regular soda

sans artificial sweeteners, diet soda is fine. 5 calories (or less) per CAN.

one can of regular soda is like 120 cals, completely empty and pure garbage

also, your diet (for today at least) looks very high in carbs, moderate fats, and low protein

you want HIGH protein, at least.

[CyberFaust]

i dissagree, i never drink diet, i no want cancer :)

[Alexia Dark]

false!!!!!!!

who tells you this crap?

diet, although not as good as pure water, is HEAPS better than regular soda

sans artificial sweeteners, diet soda is fine. 5 calories (or less) per CAN.

one can of regular soda is like 120 cals, completely empty and pure garbage

also, your diet (for today at least) looks very high in carbs, moderate fats, and low protein

you want HIGH protein, at least.

Well, am I supposed to trust the Canada Food Guide, or you? The Canada food guide says that I should have 5-6 servings of whole grains (I've had 4), 2-3 servings of meat and alternatives (I've had 3), and 2-3 diary products (I've had 2). And 3 fruits/vegetables (out of 6-7 :( ).

[user123456789]

Well, am I supposed to trust the Canada Food Guide, or you? The Canada food guide says that I should have 5-6 servings of whole grains (I've had 4), 2-3 servings of meat and alternatives (I've had 3), and 2-3 diary products (I've had 2). And 3 fruits/vegetables (out of 6-7 :( ).
that hurts

that really hurts

im a bodybuilder

i shall ignore you from now on

[Super Kal]

hey... she's just new at this... I didn't trust you at first, but I learned to, so give her the benefit of the doubt

[user123456789]

I didn't trust you at first, but I learned to
LOL!

:hyper:

:ninja:

:heart:
:heart:
:heart:

[Alexia Dark]

that hurts

that really hurts

im a bodybuilder

i shall ignore you from now on

If that hurt, you need to work on building more muscle in your mind :dry:.

[user123456789]

If that hurt, you need to work on building more muscle in your mind :dry:.
oh you're naughty

[Alexia Dark]

oh you're naughty

I was expecting a 'well FU then', but okay.

[user123456789]

I was expecting a 'well FU then', but okay.
you must think highly of me if that's the case

:word:

[Super Kal]

with an exercise bike, your body dose lose water weight quicker, so if you drink more water, it'll affect your body quicker as well, right?

[user123456789]

with an exercise bike, your body dose lose water weight quicker, so if you drink more water, it'll affect your body quicker as well, right?
is english your first language?

(no insult)

(yes curious)

(will help)

[Alexia Dark]

you must think highly of me if that's the case

:word:

Sorry, I guess you just remind me of someone really annoying.

I know I've been posting around you for years, but I have a short term memory and can't remember if I like you or dislike you. Even the fact that your avvy has been the same pretty much forever doesn't help.

[Super Kal]

is english your first language?

(no insult)

(yes curious)

(will help)
lol, yes it is my first language...

okay, let's try this again, lol...

Today, in the span of 5 minutes, I gained 7 lbs and then lost 5 lbs... this is really the first time it's ever happened, and i figured it was because I used the exercise bike today instead of my usual walking/jogging combo.

since I changed it up today, would the water weight change a lot as well?

[user123456789]

Sorry, I guess you just remind me of someone really annoying.

I know I've been posting around you for years, but I have a short term memory and can't remember if I like you or dislike you. Even the fact that your avvy has been the same pretty much forever doesn't help.
the best ones always start this way

:heart:

[Alexia Dark]

WTF? You can gain 7 pounds and lose 5 in 5 minutes? Yeah right!

[Super Kal]

WTF? You can gain 7 pounds and lose 5 in 5 minutes? Yeah right!
hey, I'm just telling you guys/girls what I saw on the scale.

[Alexia Dark]

the best ones always start this way

:heart:

:dry:

[user123456789]

lol, yes it is my first language...

okay, let's try this again, lol...

Today, in the span of 5 minutes, I gained 7 lbs and then lost 5 lbs... this is really the first time it's ever happened, and i figured it was because I used the exercise bike today instead of my usual walking/jogging combo.

since I changed it up today, would the water weight change a lot as well?
bah why are you weighing yourself 5 minutes apart? weight means nothing, its all about how you look, about how much muscle you have, about how much fat you have, how your bodyparts measure, etc

again, im talkin in bodybuilding terms

now, for the weight, yes, water weight can fluctuate that much

but also keep in mind, the scale isn't always perfect

for example, step on a scale twice in the span of 30 seconds

most likely you won't get the same reading, it's inherently inaccurate

now many things affect water weight

temperature, humidity, activity level, water intake, amount of clothes you're wearing, etc etc

also keep in mind for every gram of glycogen you old three grams of water

thats why on carb cycling diets, your weight can fluctuate dramatically when you carb up

[Super Kal]

bah why are you weighing yourself 5 minutes apart? weight means nothing, its all about how you look, about how much muscle you have, about how much fat you have, how your bodyparts measure, etc...
it wasn't on -5 minutes later- on again, it was more checking 2 different scales and comparing the two in the span of five minutes... and yes I know, it's gonna say two different things

again, im talkin in bodybuilding terms...
now, for the weight, yes, water weight can fluctuate that much.
but also keep in mind, the scale isn't always perfect.
for example, step on a scale twice in the span of 30 seconds.
most likely you won't get the same reading, it's inherently inaccurate.
now many things affect water weight: temperature, humidity, activity level, water intake, amount of clothes you're wearing, etc etc...

also keep in mind for every gram of glycogen you old three grams of water

thats why on carb cycling diets, your weight can fluctuate dramatically when you carb up
should I stay away from carbs then?

[Alexia Dark]

ShadowBoxing was on earlier... I wonder why he didn't stop in here...

[user123456789]

should I stay away from carbs then?
wtf?

don't you know the basics of nutrition?

unless you're on keto..

[Super Kal]

wtf?

don't you know the basics of nutrition?
dude, I'm trying to learn as i go along here...

unless you're on keto..
keto?

[user123456789]

dude, I'm trying to learn as i go along here...


keto?
nevermind about keto

what makes you think you should stay away from carbs??

Q: Why do we need to eat carbohydrates?
A: We need carbohydrates for:
Carbohydrates are the body's main source of fuel
Carbohydrates are easily used by the body for energy
All of the tissues and cells in our body can use glucose for energy
Carbohydrates are needed for the central nervous system, the kidneys, the brain, the muscles (including the heart) to function properly
Carbohydrates can be stored in the muscles and liver and later used for energy
Carbohydrates are important in intestinal health and waste elimination

http://www.mhc.uiuc.edu/Handouts/macronutrients.htm

[Super Kal]

nevermind about keto

what makes you think you should stay away from carbs??

Q: Why do we need to eat carbohydrates?
A: We need carbohydrates for:
Carbohydrates are the body's main source of fuel
Carbohydrates are easily used by the body for energy
All of the tissues and cells in our body can use glucose for energy
Carbohydrates are needed for the central nervous system, the kidneys, the brain, the muscles (including the heart) to function properly
Carbohydrates can be stored in the muscles and liver and later used for energy
Carbohydrates are important in intestinal health and waste elimination
http://www.mhc.uiuc.edu/Handouts/macronutrients.htm
lol, okay, okay... so just say "yes" to carbs...

I just want to get rid of the fat surrounding my body... at this moment I don't care about body building, because it's not gonna make a difference until i get rid of the fat first.

[user123456789]

at this moment I don't care about body building, because it's not gonna make a difference until i get rid of the fat first.
lol EVERYONE says that

trust me, you want to lift AND do cardio

without any resistance training, you can say goodbye to any hopes of looking toned / fit, because you will have very little lean mass at the end of your cardio-only losing fat marathon

[Super Kal]

well, at the moment, I don't have the option to do lifting...

[Alexia Dark]

I have hand weights in the house... but they're taken some abuse... the rubber-y substance has started to come off... I think the last dog we had did some damage, too...

[user123456789]

well, at the moment, I don't have the option to do lifting...
bodyweight exercises:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=702737

ohhhhh baby you keep throwin me curve balls but i keep hittin em out of the park!!

[Super Kal]

ohhhhh baby you keep throwin me curve balls but i keep hittin em out of the park!!
if you haven't noticed, I'm not trying to cause a problem... I value whatever info you can give me.

[user123456789]

if you haven't noticed, I'm not trying to cause a problem... I value whatever info you can give me.
i know

i just always wanted to say that

[Super Kal]

i know

i just always wanted to say that
lol, okay then

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm starting to get frustrated again

@ what?

[Super Kal]

read the previous posts

[Super Kal]

whew, I'm gonna have to take it easy on the bike for a few weeks... first time I've ever been really sore

[jaguarr]

whew, I'm gonna have to take it easy on the bike for a few weeks... first time I've ever been really sore

Actually, that's a good sign that you're a bit sore. Means you did some good work. If you're breaking a sweat and getting your heart rate up there and feel like you're pushing yourself, no matter your fitness level, then you're doing well. Just don't overdo it or push yourself to the point that you are putting yourself at risk. :up:

I picked up a horrible head cold yesterday. Nasty sinus headache all...damn...day. It's a bit better today, but I'm still trying to evict the colony of banana slugs that took up residence in my sinuses. I'm still debating whether to try and do a chest/tri's workout today (which I missed yesterday) or not. I'll see how I'm feeling this afternoon.

jag

[Super Kal]

Actually, that's a good sign that you're a bit sore. Means you did some good work. If you're breaking a sweat and getting your heart rate up there and feel like you're pushing yourself, no matter your fitness level, then you're doing well. Just don't overdo it or push yourself to the point that you are putting yourself at risk. :up:
oh yeah, I know I got some good exercise from it... and over exerting myself is the last thing I want to do.

I picked up a horrible head cold yesterday. Nasty sinus headache all...damn...day. It's a bit better today, but I'm still trying to evict the colony of banana slugs that took up residence in my sinuses. I'm still debating whether to try and do a chest/tri's workout today (which I missed yesterday) or not. I'll see how I'm feeling this afternoon.

jag
I know how that feels... I hope you get better

[Colossal Spoons]

whew, I'm gonna have to take it easy on the bike for a few weeks... first time I've ever been really sore

:eek:

[user123456789]

Actually, that's a good sign that you're a bit sore. Means you did some good work. If you're breaking a sweat and getting your heart rate up there and feel like you're pushing yourself, no matter your fitness level, then you're doing well. Just don't overdo it or push yourself to the point that you are putting yourself at risk. :up:

I picked up a horrible head cold yesterday. Nasty sinus headache all...damn...day. It's a bit better today, but I'm still trying to evict the colony of banana slugs that took up residence in my sinuses. I'm still debating whether to try and do a chest/tri's workout today (which I missed yesterday) or not. I'll see how I'm feeling this afternoon.

jag
rest, old man! :woot:

[Iceman]

I'm still aching from saturday's back session. Straigthening my arms is a struggle with the biceps still recovering. All in the name of fitness! :cool:

[user123456789]

I'm still aching from saturday's back session. Straigthening my arms is a struggle with the biceps still recovering. All in the name of fitness! :cool:
so work ur tris :woot:

[Iceman]

^ obviously the solution :up: :woot:

[CyberFaust]

i'm thinking about starting to go swiming a hour a day or so this week to. would that count as overtraining? i mean every day. :)

[Super Kal]

:eek:
when I said that, I didn't mean to completely give it up for a few weeks... I meant something like every other day do the bike mixed with some walking/jogging, and then hopefully, I can increase the use of the bike to more than just that

[Iceman]

i'm thinking about starting to go swiming a hour a day or so this week to. would that count as overtraining? i mean every day. :)As well as weight training?

[CyberFaust]

yeah
the wheight training is now 6 days a week, one day back and abs, one day chest arms and shoulders and one day legs
one day a week off :)

also, about where should my callorie intake be at this point?

[Iceman]

yeah
the wheight training is now 6 days a week, one day back and abs, one day chest arms and shoulders and one day legs
one day a week off :)

also, about where should my callorie intake be at this point?Definitely overtraining dude. 6 days a week weights & 7 days cardio (for an hour) - that's ridiculous! :woot:


jag has a calorie counter site that he linked to earlier in the thread. Quite useful for working out what you need. You probably need around 80,000 ish with that schedule!

[jaguarr]

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jag

[CyberFaust]

well, good thing i'm starting wenseday and haven't started yet.

but how much should i cut out of it?
4 days cardio a week
and i don't think i can eat 80.000 good callories a day
i can probably push seven or eight if i really really try, but that's about it and i don't know how long i can keep it up

[Super Kal]

I have never had a sore ass in my life... it feels really weird.

[CyberFaust]

I have never had a sore ass in my life... it feels really weird.
...:dry:

[Iceman]

well, good thing i'm starting wenseday and haven't started yet.

but how much should i cut out of it?
4 days cardio a weekI like training as much as possible too but I limit myself to 3 weight sessions a week (same sort of bodypart splits as you) which are much more intensive than trying to do each bodypart twice per week. I do cardio 6 times a week. 30 mins not too hard after a weights workout & 45 mins-1hr intensive on a pure cardio day. Maybe you might want to tone down to something approaching that. :yay: A lot of what you're doing at the moment could be counterproductive.

and i don't think i can eat 80.000 good callories a dayI'm pretty sure you can't eat any kind of 80,000 calories per day :woot:


i can probably push seven or eight if i really really try, but that's about it and i don't know how long i can keep it up:huh: not sure what you're on about here.

[jaguarr]

I like training as much as possible too but I limit myself to 3 weight sessions a week (same sort of bodypart splits as you) which are much more intensive than trying to do each bodypart twice per week. I do cardio 6 times a week. 30 mins not too hard after a weights workout & 45 mins-1hr intensive on a pure cardio day. Maybe you might want to tone down to something approaching that. :yay: A lot of what you're doing at the moment could be counterproductive.



:up: Except I limit my post-workout cardio to 20 minutes.

jag

[CyberFaust]

I like training as much as possible too but I limit myself to 3 weight sessions a week (same sort of bodypart splits as you) which are much more intensive than trying to do each bodypart twice per week. I do cardio 6 times a week. 30 mins not too hard after a weights workout & 45 mins-1hr intensive on a pure cardio day. Maybe you might want to tone down to something approaching that. :yay: A lot of what you're doing at the moment could be counterproductive.

i have alot of free time during the summer :o
but 3 wheight sessions a week sounds good.

I'm pretty sure you can't eat any kind of 80,000 calories per day :woot:
my point exactly

:huh: not sure what you're on about here.
7000-8000 calories, i can do that. i did it before, i kept count.

.....

[Fran]

I inherited my dad's knee problems, and my left one bugs me after playing sports, like after 3 hours of basketball yesterday.

Any kinds of exercises to help with this?

[Super Kal]

it feels good to jog again... I just hate the varied increase/decrease in water weight.

[Iceman]

i have alot of free time during the summer
but 3 wheight sessions a week sounds good.I used to be exactly the same. Some days I did a 2hr gym session followed by 1hr cardio and then a 1hr track session!

I learnt - train harder and smarter, not longer. :up:

If you cut the weights to 3 days you could do the swimming 6-7 days a week, maybe just take it easier on the 3 weight days :up:

my point exactlyWell jag has 80,000 by 11am. :woot:

7000-8000 calories, i can do that. i did it before, i kept count.:wow: that's a lot!

[Iceman]

I inherited my dad's knee problems, and my left one bugs me after playing sports, like after 3 hours of basketball yesterday.

Any kinds of exercises to help with this?Probably low impact exercises like swimming, exercise bike & elliptical. Basketball is very high impact.

[jaguarr]

I learnt - train harder and smarter, not longer. :up:

Amen. More is not better; better is better.


Well jag has 80,000 by 11am. :woot:


It's true. And ever since I cut down my calories like that I'm just hungry all the frickin' time!

jag

[jaguarr]

Probably low impact exercises like swimming, exercise bike & elliptical. Basketball is very high impact.

Yup. Also some bodyweight or light-weight lunges and/or ass-to-grass squats will help strengthen the knee as well.

jag

[Iceman]

It's true. And ever since I cut down my calories like that I'm just hungry all the frickin' time!

jagI feel guilty gorging myself knowing you're going hungry. :csad:

Everybody here should donate a few thousand calories a day to jag to stop this tragedy.

[jaguarr]

I feel guilty gorging myself knowing you're going hungry. :csad:

Everybody here should donate a few thousand calories a day to jag to stop this tragedy.

Someone get Sally Struthers lined up to help with this. If she doesn't deliver, I can always dig a pit and slow roast her until the meat is just falling off the bone.

jag

[CyberFaust]

eww

[Holly]

isnt it unhealthy to over-exercise? how long is too much, with running/or biking.

[jaguarr]

No, really....with the right marinade and that slow cooking process in the pit to melt all the fat off, it could be good.

http://www.questmedia.net/images/SallyStruthers.JPG

jag

[mrvlknight21]

I inherited my dad's knee problems, and my left one bugs me after playing sports, like after 3 hours of basketball yesterday.

Any kinds of exercises to help with this?

Several have already given good ideas, also try to do some single leg movements too, so your stronger leg is not compensating for the weaker/sore one.

[CyberFaust]

No, really....with the right marinade and that slow cooking process in the pit to melt all the fat off, it could be good.

http://www.questmedia.net/images/SallyStruthers.JPG

jag
that is just disgusting :wow:
i tottaly wouldn't eat that:o

[jaguarr]

that is just disgusting :wow:
i tottaly wouldn't eat that:o

You'll never get 80,000 calories a day with that attitude, son.

jag

[terry78]

that is just disgusting :wow:
i tottaly wouldn't eat that:o

Rob Reiner said the same thing.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm pretty sure you can't eat any kind of 80,000 calories per day :woot:

A Monster Thickburger from Hardee's is roughly 1500 calories. Eat one every 2 hours(assuming you sleep 8 hours a day) and you can get 12,000 :(

[terry78]

No one has seen the Burger King Baconator? Two double beef patties, cheese and nothing but bacon above it.

[jaguarr]

Fast food... :dry:

jag

[Fran]

Spoons, add me on Skype. Thx

[Super Kal]

wow... these squats are really helping.

[Iceman]

Someone get Sally Struthers lined up to help with this. If she doesn't deliver, I can always dig a pit and slow roast her until the meat is just falling off the bone.

jag

No, really....with the right marinade and that slow cooking process in the pit to melt all the fat off, it could be good.

http://www.questmedia.net/images/SallyStruthers.JPG

jagI see your point but you're welcome to her :up: :yay::csad:

You'll never get 80,000 calories a day with that attitude, son.

jagWord.

A Monster Thickburger from Hardee's is roughly 1500 calories. Eat one every 2 hours(assuming you sleep 8 hours a day) and you can get 12,000 :(I don't think I'd get the 8 hours sleep after 8 of those! :csad:


isnt it unhealthy to over-exercise? how long is too much, with running/or biking.Depends on your goals. Unless you're planning on doing marathons / triathlons or taking part in a sport etc over 1hr cardio (without refuelling) is excessive and counterproductive IMO.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok, so I'm gonna attempt close grip bench press today. I need to bring my pecs closer together, as I mentioned before lol. I'm not sure if I'd do high weight/low rep or the opposite to accomplish this. Since I'm not trying to add mass or definition...but more like relocate the muscles.

[jaguarr]

Ok, so I'm gonna attempt close grip bench press today. I need to bring my pecs closer together, as I mentioned before lol. I'm not sure if I'd do high weight/low rep or the opposite to accomplish this. Since I'm not trying to add mass or definition...but more like relocate the muscles.

Go heavier. You're basically wanting to add mass to your inner chest.

I'm still kicking this sinus infection crap, so no lifting for me until I feel a bit better. :(

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Word, guess I'll need a spot. Gracias.

Never had a sinus infection, sounds like a fun time. You hurry up and get over that :up:

[AndThePickles]

A Monster Thickburger from Hardee's is roughly 1500 calories. Eat one every 2 hours(assuming you sleep 8 hours a day) and you can get 12,000 :(

Ugh, they're so damn delicious. Hardee's = Satan :csad:


As for sinus infections, I've had one once and it was the most horrible experience! Feel better soon jag :csad:

[Super Kal]

just curious, if you're used to walking/jogging an hour a day, what's a good compromise when you're on an exercise bike?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hey everyone how are the routines going? My lower back is killing me. Here are my three theories on why.

1. I strained it doing hack squats.
2. Due to all of the running and not enough stretching my hamstrings are really tight (which they are physically) and are pulling against my lower back causing tension.
3. I haven't trained my abs enough and my lower back is pulling more than my abs are.
4. A combination of all the above.


So I have been resting and stretching a lot more. Anyone else have an idea of what might be wrong or what I should do in the meantime to speed up the healing process?

If this helps, it feels like my spice is bruised when I rub my lower back, or possible tweaked. My muscles themselves do not hurt.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

just curious, if you're used to walking/jogging an hour a day, what's a good compromise when you're on an exercise bike?


It varies. What is your intensity level when you walk/jog? Intervals?

Let's just put it this way, biking is one of the least phsycially exerting exercises you can do. So make sure you use tension and do intervals.

[Excel]

Hey guys; I need some help.

So 3 weeks ago, I stared a new diet/excerise/lifting routine and I have stuck to it.

Its a huge lifetstyle change. I guess I have pretty metabolism for my age, because I used to have either mcdonalds, wendys, or taco bell atleast 5 times a week plus only junk food n **** when i was home, no excersize except the occanasional benching session but my weight never got over 215, and at 6 foot 2 and im still pretty strong; I was never fat; not even chubby.

But thing is, now I only 4 healthy small meals a day, run 3 miles every night and it is HOT out, and have been doing 1 miles worth of hills the past 6 days. So I step on the scale today and i am 203.

All this work and sacrificing (every time i drive by a fast food place.......) and i've only lost 12 lbs! And I looked virtually the same.

how can i lose more faster? My goal is 185 n get that 6 pack by september; but things aint lookin good!

[jaguarr]

You've lost 12 pounds in three weeks just by cleaning up your diet and doing a bit of exercise? Do you know how many people would KILL to get those kinds of results? I'd say you're doing fantastic and you should enjoy the "newbie progress" that comes to people who are just starting a program because it will slow down eventually. Losing the weight any faster than you already are wouldn't be healthy, anyway. There are no shortcuts.

Finally feeling halfway human today. I think I'm just about past this horrid sinus crap. May try and get some light cardio in tomorrow if I'm up for it and I'm shooting to start lifting again on Sunday.

jag

[Excel]

Un healthy? A buddy mine I am doing this with; hes a lot bigger than I am and I am sort of helping him; started at 250 n the dot and was down to 228 on Tuesday...but he has been moving up in most of our lifting excersize so I dont think hes losing any muscle or **** like that.

[jaguarr]

It's unhealthy to lose more than 2-3 pounds of fat per week over the long term. When you first start working out though, you sometimes see accelerated gains for the first 1-6 months or so (everyone's different so it can be brief as a month or as long as six where you are seeing better than average progress). Some of what you've lost is probably also water weight.

jag

[Super Kal]

It varies. What is your intensity level when you walk/jog? Intervals?

Let's just put it this way, biking is one of the least phsycially exerting exercises you can do. So make sure you use tension and do intervals.
when it came to jogging/walking, it was usually 600 ft. power walking, then 600 ft. jogging for about 20 minutes... and power walking for another 10 minutes


and what do you mean by intervals?

[kytrigger]

You've lost 12 pounds in three weeks just by cleaning up your diet and doing a bit of exercise? Do you know how many people would KILL to get those kinds of results? I'd say you're doing fantastic and you should enjoy the "newbie progress" that comes to people who are just starting a program because it will slow down eventually. Losing the weight any faster than you already are wouldn't be healthy, anyway. There are no shortcuts.

Finally feeling halfway human today. I think I'm just about past this horrid sinus crap. May try and get some light cardio in tomorrow if I'm up for it and I'm shooting to start lifting again on Sunday.

jagI know I would kill many a people to get that.

when it came to jogging/walking, it was usually 600 ft. power walking, then 600 ft. jogging for about 20 minutes... and power walking for another 10 minutes


and what do you mean by intervals?
Intervals means going very hard/fast for a short burst of time, and then slowing down for a longer period imediately after.

So if you were on a bike you would go as hard as you possibly can for 1 minute, then 2 minutes at 75%. Keep on doing that for 30 minutes to and hour.

I do the same with running where I sprint for a certain time period then jog for a bit.

The actual time limit you are going all out varies depending on your condition. Some say start at 30 seconds of sprinting and work your way up to 1-2 minutes. On a bike, I find that personally 30 seconds isn't long enough and stick to 2 minutes.

[Super Kal]

Intervals means going very hard/fast for a short burst of time, and then slowing down for a longer period imediately after.

So if you were on a bike you would go as hard as you possibly can for 1 minute, then 2 minutes at 75%. Keep on doing that for 30 minutes to and hour.

I do the same with running where I sprint for a certain time period then jog for a bit.

The actual time limit you are going all out varies depending on your condition. Some say start at 30 seconds of sprinting and work your way up to 1-2 minutes. On a bike, I find that personally 30 seconds isn't long enough and stick to 2 minutes.
that's a bit different than what I do... I'll give that a try next time

[mrvlknight21]

It's unhealthy to lose more than 2-3 pounds of fat per week over the long term. When you first start working out though, you sometimes see accelerated gains for the first 1-6 months or so (everyone's different so it can be brief as a month or as long as six where you are seeing better than average progress). Some of what you've lost is probably also water weight.

jag

All of this is 100% correct. Typical "good" weight loss progress is 1-2 pounds a week. The friend that was mentioned was in worse shape/had more weight to lose and would be more likely to lose more weight starting out. If I (5' 11", 185 lbs) were doing the same things as you, my progress would be much slower than yours.
Stick with it and begin to think of it as a new lifestyle, not a sacrifice.
Keep your goals in mind, but remember, a 6 pack typically requires 10% bodyfat or less and that is not an easy thing to achieve, so September may not be likely...continue on with good healthy progress.

[Colossal Spoons]

Saw an article about guerrilla cardio yesterday. Nobody do that! :o

[mrvlknight21]

Saw an article about guerrilla cardio yesterday. Nobody do that! :o

Is it online? Can u find it?

[jaguarr]

Saw an article about guerrilla cardio yesterday. Nobody do that! :o

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/players/04/04/workout0410/t1_gorilla2.jpg

jag

[mrvlknight21]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/players/04/04/workout0410/t1_gorilla2.jpg

jag

LOL!

[Colossal Spoons]

http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/news/tabat.htm

:down:

[mrvlknight21]

http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/news/tabat.htm

:down:

Oh...tabata intervals. I have done those many times and they are awesome. I dont exactly consider them cardio, but more of a conditioning routine. It is a great way to be sore as hell, trust me. Boxers and fighters often do them.
I guess the scientific name was not good enough, so they make it "hip" by calling it guerilla cardio.

[Colossal Spoons]

It's sucking people in b/c they think they're gonna get the stomach of their dreams by exercising for only 4 mins a day. Sounds like a sweet deal! :down:

[mrvlknight21]

It's sucking people in b/c they think they're gonna get the stomach of their dreams by exercising for only 4 mins a day. Sounds like a sweet deal! :down:

Yeah, that is why I mentioned the "renaming" thing.
The truth is, the way it is designed, you go through 4 different 4 minute sets, not just one, so first of all it is a 16 minute drill, not 4 (I hope they are explaining that!)
But the truth is, there is no secret science to the numbers, anybody could play with the numbers and get good results-30 seconds of work w/ 15 seconds of rest, 45 seconds and 20 seconds, etc etc.
But again, trust me, it is WORK!

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm sure John Basedow will pimp this to America w/i the next year lol.

[Trainwreck2100]

I had a question, I have been working out off and on for the last year and a half, I just started back after 2 months off, and I hadn't gained a pound. I'm pretty much the same weight from when I started working out a year and a half ago as i hadn't really lost weight either.

[mrvlknight21]

I'm sure John Basedow will pimp this to America w/i the next year lol.

You are probably right. The funny thing is, this method is nothing new. Tabatas have been around for years and as I mentioned, used by fighters and the like. But now, I guess, it will somehow become the new marketing scheme of the fitness industry (of which aout 90% is a scam anyways).
Anyone can check youtube or google and get more info than will be sold on a $49.99 dvd that will likely try to hok this training regimen.

[mrvlknight21]

I had a question, I have been working out off and on for the last year and a half, I just started back after 2 months off, and I hadn't gained a pound. I'm pretty much the same weight from when I started working out a year and a half ago as i hadn't really lost weight either.

First of all, what are your goals-you mentioned not gaining or losing weight.
Secondly, doing something "off and on" will not likely yield the results that you want or expect.
Third-describe your workouts and your diet.
(Jag, take it from here please).

[jaguarr]

It's sucking people in b/c they think they're gonna get the stomach of their dreams by exercising for only 4 mins a day. Sounds like a sweet deal! :down:

There are no shortcuts. Period.

jag

[jaguarr]

I had a question, I have been working out off and on for the last year and a half, I just started back after 2 months off, and I hadn't gained a pound. I'm pretty much the same weight from when I started working out a year and a half ago as i hadn't really lost weight either.

I don't really see a question in there. :huh: Answer mrvlknight's questions, and we'll go from there.

jag

[Super Kal]

is it healthy to do 3 1/2 minutes of high intensity on an exercise bike then rest for 30 seconds?

[Colossal Spoons]

I had a question, I have been working out off and on for the last year and a half, I just started back after 2 months off, and I hadn't gained a pound. I'm pretty much the same weight from when I started working out a year and a half ago as i hadn't really lost weight either.

I see no question marks. :p

[Colossal Spoons]

is it healthy to do 3 1/2 minutes of high intensity on an exercise bike then rest for 30 seconds?

By "rest", do you mean stop completely or slow down the pace?

[Trainwreck2100]

First of all, what are your goals-you mentioned not gaining or losing weight.
Secondly, doing something "off and on" will not likely yield the results that you want or expect.
Third-describe your workouts and your diet.
(Jag, take it from here please).

I really just want to tone up, my cardio is usually basketball followed by 30 minutes of either the bike or elliptical, and then my muscle consists of benching, rowing, squats, and working on my bi's/tri's with the dumbells. Also I have to go off and on because I have plantar facciitis (which I got because I started working out) so when it flairs up I can't do anything but swim.

[Super Kal]

By "rest", do you mean stop completely or slow down the pace?
stop for 15 seconds, then slowly start up in the span of 15 second, then try and start the process all over again.

[AndThePickles]

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's never good to completely STOP during cardio...if anything go slow then speed back up in intervals.

[Super Kal]

alright then

[jaguarr]

stop for 15 seconds, then slowly start up in the span of 15 second, then try and start the process all over again.

No, that's hard on your Central Nervous System and your heart. Do the intervals, but don't just flat out stop and then start again over and over again.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hey everyone how are the routines going? My lower back is killing me. Here are my three theories on why.

1. I strained it doing hack squats.
2. Due to all of the running and not enough stretching my hamstrings are really tight (which they are physically) and are pulling against my lower back causing tension.
3. I haven't trained my abs enough and my lower back is pulling more than my abs are.
4. A combination of all the above.


So I have been resting and stretching a lot more. Anyone else have an idea of what might be wrong or what I should do in the meantime to speed up the healing process?

If this helps, it feels like my spice is bruised when I rub my lower back, or possible tweaked. My muscles themselves do not hurt.

Any input fellas? :huh:

[jaguarr]

Any input fellas? :huh:

Ice. 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off. Rinse, repeat, Ibuprofen to help with the swelling. Let it rest and heal. Start doing some LIGHT stretching after 4-5 days. If you feel up to it, start working out again very lightly after about 7 days. Work more on your stretching and flexibility and make sure you're using proper form. Most people get these kinds of injuries from either trying to lift too much or letting their proper form slip (if they're using proper form to begin with).

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Ah Bleecher running....it's fun.


But seriously, every time Taiwarriorz comes back and starts posting I start fearing he will hit up the Fitness Thread :(

[Colossal Spoons]

Cleanse yourself my brother.

[The Geek Vault]

I want a six pack, how do I get one of those?

[Colossal Spoons]

That all you want?

[Superman79]

OK, so the bar exam is officially killing me. I can't eat as much, I'm working out daily as usual, but my strength just seems sapped the closer I get to the damn test. I've even lost about 3 pounds and I'm betting it's not fat. Sad thing is I still have 11 days :(

Any ideas how to at least not lose any more before this damn exam???

[user123456789]

I want a six pack, how do I get one of those?
go to your local liquor store

[jaguarr]

OK, so the bar exam is officially killing me. I can't eat as much, I'm working out daily as usual, but my strength just seems sapped the closer I get to the damn test. I've even lost about 3 pounds and I'm betting it's not fat. Sad thing is I still have 11 days :(

Any ideas how to at least not lose any more before this damn exam???

Honestly? Sounds to me like the stress alone is melting muscle right off of you. The impact to your diet doesn't help matters. I'd say you've just got to do your best while you're getting ready for and taking the exams and accept that it's not optimal and do what you can when you can. The important thing at this point is to pass the dam bar so you don't ever have to deal with it again. Sometimes we have to put fitness in the back seat for a bit while we focus on more important things in the meantime. Just do what you can for now and be glad you were able to do that. The extra stress you're giving yourself is most likely hurting not only your fitness and muscle retention but your chances at doing well on the exam.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I put an application at GNC today and I got an interview on Sat. I'll turn one in at the Vitamin Shoppe(further away) tom. Supplements, here I come!

[jaguarr]

I put an application at GNC today and I got an interview on Sat. I'll turn one in at the Vitamin Shoppe(further away) tom. Supplements, here I come!

You're going to hate working retail, dude. This should give you some incentive to get cracking on finding a job where you're not wasting your talents or your degree (and making some real coin instead of the crappy wages you'll get at a job like this). That said; good luck on the interviews! :up:

jag

[Superman79]

Honestly? Sounds to me like the stress alone is melting muscle right off of you. The impact to your diet doesn't help matters. I'd say you've just got to do your best while you're getting ready for and taking the exams and accept that it's not optimal and do what you can when you can. The important thing at this point is to pass the dam bar so you don't ever have to deal with it again. Sometimes we have to put fitness in the back seat for a bit while we focus on more important things in the meantime. Just do what you can for now and be glad you were able to do that. The extra stress you're giving yourself is most likely hurting not only your fitness and muscle retention but your chances at doing well on the exam.

jag

Good call Jag.

I knew you'd be able to put things into perspective. Thanks :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

You're going to hate working retail, dude. This should give you some incentive to get cracking on finding a job where you're not wasting your talents or your degree (and making some real coin instead of the crappy wages you'll get at a job like this). That said; good luck on the interviews! :up:

jag


I've done retail before, it really isn't fun but GNCs are never crowded here for some reason. This is really just to get some cash comin in before the job of my dreams.

[jaguarr]

I've done retail before, it really isn't fun but GNCs are never crowded here for some reason. This is really just to get some cash comin in before the job of my dreams.

It's because they're overpriced and they suck ass. :) At any rate, I know how it is to work a temp job out of school. My first job out of college was at the appellate court handling clerical stuff. I had all the serial killer files in my office. The pay wasn't awful and the hours were tight; NEVER any overtime. It let me have some coin in my pocket to cover rent and play around a bit like I could never afford to when I was in school.

jag

[jaguarr]

Good call Jag.

I knew you'd be able to put things into perspective. Thanks :up:

Good luck on the bar. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

My paychecks will be 40% play money and 60% loan repayment a.k.a sodomy. :(


The Vitamin Shoppe would be better but the manager looked afraid of me when I asked for an app. I should have robbed the joint :o

[ShadowBoxing]

I've done retail before, it really isn't fun but GNCs are never crowded here for some reason. This is really just to get some cash comin in before the job of my dreams.
I'm trying to get a job in a gym...trying to work up to becoming a fitness consultant for a local company.

[jaguarr]

My paychecks will be 40% play money and 60% loan repayment a.k.a sodomy. :(


The Vitamin Shoppe would be better but the manager looked afraid of me when I asked for an app. I should have robbed the joint :o

Just go into the Vitamin Shoppe and play the angry black man card and be all like "Yo, gimme a job, *****, or I'm callin' the NAACP all up in here!". Terry78 can give you pointers on how to do this if you need some coaching.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Just go into the Vitamin Shoppe and play the angry black man card and be all like "Yo, gimme a job, *****, or I'm callin' the NAACP all up in here!". Terry78 can give you pointers on how to do this if you need some coaching.

jag


The manager was black :dry:




Hahaha, j/k :D

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm trying to get a job in a gym...trying to work up to becoming a fitness consultant for a local company.

I'd love to work at my gym, but they're all personal trainers :(

[jaguarr]

The manager was black :dry:




Hahaha, j/k :D

I'd still stand by my original statement, even if that were true. :D

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

I'd love to work at my gym, but they're all personal trainers :(
My gym the front desk attendants and the managers aren't.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

go to your local liquor store

Damn, beat me to it! :d :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Thanks Jag :up:

I think I may have been lifting a little too heavy too fast. Combine with everything else :up:

[jaguarr]

I'm sure John Basedow will pimp this to America w/i the next year lol.

I'll get you fit in just four minutes a day with my newest training video, "Guerrilla Training Made Simple". No gimmicks. No crazy diets. Just working your ass off until you are in tears.

http://www.bionicgranny.com/images/basedow.jpg


jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Hahaha. Is there some secret to that position he always stands in? I swear, every picture!

[jaguarr]

Hahaha. Is there some secret to that position he always stands in? I swear, every picture!

It's his Good Side, dude. If you knew what your Good Side was, you'd make sure it was captured in every picture of you. Paris Hilton does the same damn thing. Every picture of her looks exactly the same. Why? Because she's discovered her Good Side (well...as good as it gets for her, anyway).

jag

[AndThePickles]

It's really because his head is photoshopped on that body. :o

[Super Kal]

No, that's hard on your Central Nervous System and your heart. Do the intervals, but don't just flat out stop and then start again over and over again.

jag
alright then. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Yup, I razzled and dazzled 'em on my interview. I'm an unofficial GNC employee now. I feel like I sold my soul to the devil though b/c you make the most commission off of products I don't support; like NOXplode, Hydroxycut and all other fat burners, etc. Should be interesting trying to convince people to buy that **** :down:

[Babs Gordon]

I completed my first triathlon nearly a week ago! It was a sprint distance tri, but still, I kind of wanted to die and didn't and finished it in the end. I didn't even stop when I wasn't supposed to. yesssss!

swim, bike, run!

[Colossal Spoons]

swim, bike, run, die :(

[nosebleed.]

Yup, I razzled and dazzled 'em on my interview. I'm an unofficial GNC employee now. I feel like I sold my soul to the devil though b/c you make the most commission off of products I don't support; like NOXplode, Hydroxycut and all other fat burners, etc. Should be interesting trying to convince people to buy that **** :down:

Congrats...Hydroxycrack pusher.

[Colossal Spoons]

Gonna be an adventure.

[Super Kal]

tried the whole intervals thing yesterday... didn't get as good a feel as I did when i did all high intensity... maybe I'll do it longer next time

[Babs Gordon]

swim, bike, run, die :(

swim, bike, run, chocolate milk!!!!!!!!

[doc ock rules!]

Does anyone know of some "lesser known" cardio exercises that don't involve any out-of-the-ordinary equipment? I've been cross-training (or trying to) for a while now and, though I can find several different strength training exercises, I've been at a loss for finding more than a few such cardio exercises.

[jaguarr]

Yup, I razzled and dazzled 'em on my interview. I'm an unofficial GNC employee now. I feel like I sold my soul to the devil though b/c you make the most commission off of products I don't support; like NOXplode, Hydroxycut and all other fat burners, etc. Should be interesting trying to convince people to buy that **** :down:

Congrats...Hydroxycrack pusher.

Haha! :D Congrats, Spoons. You corporate whore!

I completed my first triathlon nearly a week ago! It was a sprint distance tri, but still, I kind of wanted to die and didn't and finished it in the end. I didn't even stop when I wasn't supposed to. yesssss!

swim, bike, run!

Hey, that's awesome, Babs! Digging down and finding the strength inside of you to just finish the damn thing is what triathlons are all about (according to a couple buddies I have that do them). Nice work! :up:


Does anyone know of some "lesser known" cardio exercises that don't involve any out-of-the-ordinary equipment? I've been cross-training (or trying to) for a while now and, though I can find several different strength training exercises, I've been at a loss for finding more than a few such cardio exercises.

Run. It's free. Read up on HIIT principles (Google: "HIIT") and read about how to do interval training using sprints and long distance running. It'll get you in shape in a hurry.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I am a whore now lol

[jaguarr]

I am a whore now lol

It was gonna happen sooner or later, dude. Welcome to the club. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Awesome. Selling John Basedow tapes...here I come!

I'd quit in 2 secs of the V.Shoppe called me back :o

[jaguarr]

Hey, you gotta go where the money is. That's what being a whore is all about. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Is there such a thing as vitamins or supplements in pill form that will tan your skin? I know shots are available from the Dr. that cause the chemicals in your body to react as if you are being exposed to sunlight. But are there any vitamins or other pills that do this?

[jaguarr]

I think there are some pills you can take that will give you a tan, Bah. And by "give you a tan", I mean "turn you orange". Don't know much more than that about them, though.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I think there are some pills you can take that will give you a tan, Bah. And by "give you a tan", I mean "turn you orange". Don't know much more than that about them, though.

jag


Bleh, ok, well I'll do some more research around here. Thanks jag :up:

[mrvlknight21]

Yup, I razzled and dazzled 'em on my interview. I'm an unofficial GNC employee now. I feel like I sold my soul to the devil though b/c you make the most commission off of products I don't support; like NOXplode, Hydroxycut and all other fat burners, etc. Should be interesting trying to convince people to buy that **** :down:


Congrats on the job. I had no idea they made commission. You would think it would be on GNC products rather than the already overpriced, overadvertised stuff.
Good luck!

[mrvlknight21]

I completed my first triathlon nearly a week ago! It was a sprint distance tri, but still, I kind of wanted to die and didn't and finished it in the end. I didn't even stop when I wasn't supposed to. yesssss!

swim, bike, run!

Thats seriously awesome Babs! Congrats!!!!

[kytrigger]

bump from page 8.

I have a question for you runners out there. I have never really run consistantly in my life, but have been doing so now, but I had major pain in my shins and ankles. I was hoping the shin splints would just go away, but they got bad enough where I couldn't run and couldn't walk without a major limp for about a week.

I already knew what Jag would say and I got new inserts for my shoes before I started running again.

The pain isn't as bad now, but I definately still feel some. After i finish running is when the pain is the most noticeable, especially in my shins. But throughout the entire day my ankles and lower shins just ache.

Is this normal? If it's normal and my body just needs to adjust to running, then i am fine. I just want to know if I need to be doing something different (like new shoes) or if it goes away on it's own.

[jaguarr]

I'll defer to Devil or Jack Rabbit on the running stuff, kytrigger. It ain't my bag and even if I woke up in the middle of the forest naked with pork chops tied to my neck, surrounded by a pack of timberwolves, I'm still not sure if I could be arsed to actually run. :o

And running definitely wouldn't work for me today, anyway. I hit legs and shoulders really hard last night and I'm already sore as hell. Gonna be an interesting couple of days of walking bow-legged.

jag

[JStorm]

Devil runs like the wind blows.

I agree with Jag. I never ran with Jack Rabitt; but Devil is one great coach when it comes to this stuff.

[Jack Rabbit]

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I have a question for you runners out there. I have never really run consistantly in my life, but have been doing so now, but I had major pain in my shins and ankles. I was hoping the shin splints would just go away, but they got bad enough where I couldn't run and couldn't walk without a major limp for about a week.

I already knew what Jag would say and I got new inserts for my shoes before I started running again.

The pain isn't as bad now, but I definately still feel some. After i finish running is when the pain is the most noticeable, especially in my shins. But throughout the entire day my ankles and lower shins just ache.

Is this normal? If it's normal and my body just needs to adjust to running, then i am fine. I just want to know if I need to be doing something different (like new shoes) or if it goes away on it's own.

Thanks, jag.:up:

How old are you? And you said you just started running consistently. How often and how far? Shin splints are common for someone whose body isn't used to running excessively.

As for your shoes, I wear a ****** pair of New Balance when I run, but I'm young, and don't have any lower body issues. As far as I know, shin splints are more directly related to stretching and your actual gait then your footwear.

They'll go away by themselves, but you might have to take it easy for a while. I'd see a physican and get a more expert opinion, but in my experience if I stretched prior to a run, by kneeling, and then sitting on my feet, and leaning back. It helps stretch out those muscles in your shins.

That's really all I got until you give me more info. Hope that helps.

[kytrigger]

Thanks, jag.:up:

How old are you? And you said you just started running consistently. How often and how far? Shin splints are common for someone whose body isn't used to running excessively. I'm 23 and I am going between 2-3 miles when I normally run, unless I am doing intervals.

As for your shoes, I wear a ****** pair of New Balance when I run, but I'm young, and don't have any lower body issues. As far as I know, shin splints are more directly related to stretching and your actual gait then your footwear. I'm wearing some new balance cross trainers and I just put in new foot inserts to try and help out. They seem to be helping somewhat.

They'll go away by themselves, but you might have to take it easy for a while. I'd see a physican and get a more expert opinion, but in my experience if I stretched prior to a run, by kneeling, and then sitting on my feet, and leaning back. It helps stretch out those muscles in your shins.

That's really all I got until you give me more info. Hope that helps.
Thanks. I will try these stretches because those really aren't ones I do before I run.

Hopefully that will help, because taking time off is somethign I REALLY don't wanna do. I ship out ot basic in a little over a month and I still want to get in much better shape, plus I have to still go and pass the physical test before I go.

[mrvlknight21]

Thanks, jag.:up:

How old are you? And you said you just started running consistently. How often and how far? Shin splints are common for someone whose body isn't used to running excessively.

As for your shoes, I wear a ****** pair of New Balance when I run, but I'm young, and don't have any lower body issues. As far as I know, shin splints are more directly related to stretching and your actual gait then your footwear.

They'll go away by themselves, but you might have to take it easy for a while. I'd see a physican and get a more expert opinion, but in my experience if I stretched prior to a run, by kneeling, and then sitting on my feet, and leaning back. It helps stretch out those muscles in your shins.

Check out runnersworld.com and other running sites, they often have free articles on the best way to avoid shin splints/pain.
That's really all I got until you give me more info. Hope that helps.

I agree with the stretching. Before and after the run, stretch your calves. Before my run, I stretch for a minute, then run "high knee" style on your toes for about 10 yards, then do it again. Also, get on the edge of a curb or step or block and stretch by pushing yourself up (like a calf raise), but also roll your foot back and have your weight on the back edge of your heel (to stretch the front of the calf).
Make sure your shoes are right for your feet-depending on the shape of your foot, you may need a certain type of shoe. There is a test you can do to determine your foot shape and thus the most likely way that you make your steps and what type of shoe you need.

http://www.time-to-run.com/beginners/shoes.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_type

Also, if possible, run on a forgiving surface, i.e. not concrete.
Good luck!

[mrvlknight21]

Devil runs like the wind blows.

I agree with Jag. I never ran with Jack Rabitt; but Devil is one great coach when it comes to this stuff.

Dang....thanks man. :wow:

[jaguarr]

Been meaning to tell you guys to give this stuff a try for your workouts:

http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/5_hour_energy_shot-200-200.jpg

I don't ingest a lot of caffeine in general and this stuff only has a bit in it (about as much as a weak cup of coffee). The rest is amino acids and B vitamins. Gives you a great, steady flow of energy for right around 5 hours, just as advertised. The best part is that it doesn't keep me up all damn night. I work out in the evenings, so loading up on caffeine would be a bad idea anyway. This stuff is a nice boost after a long day at work so I can hit it hard in the gym. At any rate, I thought some of you might want to give it a try. One of the gentler energy boosters I've tried by far. :up:

jag

[Whirlysplat]

Been meaning to tell you guys to give this stuff a try for your workouts:

http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/5_hour_energy_shot-200-200.jpg

I don't ingest a lot of caffeine in general and this stuff only has a bit in it (about as much as a weak cup of coffee). The rest is amino acids and B vitamins. Gives you a great, steady flow of energy for right around 5 hours, just as advertised. The best part is that it doesn't keep me up all damn night. I work out in the evenings, so loading up on caffeine would be a bad idea anyway. This stuff is a nice boost after a long day at work so I can hit it hard in the gym. At any rate, I thought some of you might want to give it a try. One of the gentler energy boosters I've tried by far. :up:

jag

Loading up on methyl xanthines is never a bad idea in my opinion. ;)

[Jack Rabbit]

I'm 23 and I am going between 2-3 miles when I normally run, unless I am doing intervals.

I'm wearing some new balance cross trainers and I just put in new foot inserts to try and help out. They seem to be helping somewhat.

Thanks. I will try these stretches because those really aren't ones I do before I run.

Hopefully that will help, because taking time off is somethign I REALLY don't wanna do. I ship out ot basic in a little over a month and I still want to get in much better shape, plus I have to still go and pass the physical test before I go.

Alright, you're still young. I didn't know if you were 30, 40 what. 2 to 3 is a good distance. I usually try to run at least a mile more than what I'm training for. It's good that you stretch. Make sure to lossen everything up before you head out there.

Basic? What branch?

I agree with the stretching. Before and after the run, stretch your calves. Before my run, I stretch for a minute, then run "high knee" style on your toes for about 10 yards, then do it again. Also, get on the edge of a curb or step or block and stretch by pushing yourself up (like a calf raise), but also roll your foot back and have your weight on the back edge of your heel (to stretch the front of the calf).
Make sure your shoes are right for your feet-depending on the shape of your foot, you may need a certain type of shoe. There is a test you can do to determine your foot shape and thus the most likely way that you make your steps and what type of shoe you need.

http://www.time-to-run.com/beginners/shoes.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_type

Also, if possible, run on a forgiving surface, i.e. not concrete.
Good luck!

Very good advice. Running in sand is great, it makes you work hard, and is soft on the knees.

[jaguarr]

Loading up on methyl xanthines is never a bad idea in my opinion. ;)

LOL! You've embalmed yourself, haven't you?

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Been meaning to tell you guys to give this stuff a try for your workouts:

http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/5_hour_energy_shot-200-200.jpg

I don't ingest a lot of caffeine in general and this stuff only has a bit in it (about as much as a weak cup of coffee). The rest is amino acids and B vitamins. Gives you a great, steady flow of energy for right around 5 hours, just as advertised. The best part is that it doesn't keep me up all damn night. I work out in the evenings, so loading up on caffeine would be a bad idea anyway. This stuff is a nice boost after a long day at work so I can hit it hard in the gym. At any rate, I thought some of you might want to give it a try. One of the gentler energy boosters I've tried by far. :up:

jag

Thanks for the tip Jag. As you know I work swing shifts, so I use caffeine to keep my job. I drink the Xyience xenergy drinks and they are awesome, but also overpriced (like all their stuff). What is the price on these?

[jaguarr]

Thanks for the tip Jag. As you know I work swing shifts, so I use caffeine to keep my job. I drink the Xyience xenergy drinks and they are awesome, but also overpriced (like all their stuff). What is the price on these?

They run about $2 a pop if you shop around. I've been able to find them at Walgreens for $12 for a six-pack. They're like little shot bottles...not a lot to them. They don't make you feel bloated or full like some of those drinks can. I also don't like taking that much caffeine, personally. It shreds my adrenaline system (and my stomach). This stuff is a little easier on the system.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

They run about $2 a pop if you shop around. I've been able to find them at Walgreens for $12 for a six-pack. They're like little shot bottles...not a lot to them. They don't make you feel bloated or full like some of those drinks can. I also don't like taking that much caffeine, personally. It shreds my adrenaline system (and my stomach). This stuff is a little easier on the system.

jag

Thanks. That doesnt sound too bad. I do like the Xyience drinks, there is no sugar or calories, just caffiene and ginseng, guarana, etc.
But I may have to give those a try.

[Fran]

Been meaning to tell you guys to give this stuff a try for your workouts:

http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/5_hour_energy_shot-200-200.jpg

I don't ingest a lot of caffeine in general and this stuff only has a bit in it (about as much as a weak cup of coffee). The rest is amino acids and B vitamins. Gives you a great, steady flow of energy for right around 5 hours, just as advertised. The best part is that it doesn't keep me up all damn night. I work out in the evenings, so loading up on caffeine would be a bad idea anyway. This stuff is a nice boost after a long day at work so I can hit it hard in the gym. At any rate, I thought some of you might want to give it a try. One of the gentler energy boosters I've tried by far. :up:

jag

Really? It's not that bad to use? We have them at work, people always ask how good/bad they are. Hmm.

Oh, and can cold ice on a knee help? My left is killing me today, and I have knee problems, inherited from my pop's genes.

[jaguarr]

Thanks. That doesnt sound too bad. I do like the Xyience drinks, there is no sugar or calories, just caffiene and ginseng, guarana, etc.
But I may have to give those a try.

Gurana is basically just caffeine, so I avoid it. The main components of these things is the B Vitamins and the amino acids.

http://www.fivehour.com/

jag

[jaguarr]

Really? It's not that bad to use? We have them at work, people always ask how good/bad they are. Hmm.

Oh, and can cold ice on a knee help? My left is killing me today, and I have knee problems, inherited from my pop's genes.

Yup. Ice that knee. :up:

jag

[Arkady Rossovich]

Is it true that if you want to look physically fit for years,that its best to start young?Or any age,with some exercise effert?

[Colossal Spoons]

Been meaning to tell you guys to give this stuff a try for your workouts:

http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/5_hour_energy_shot-200-200.jpg

I don't ingest a lot of caffeine in general and this stuff only has a bit in it (about as much as a weak cup of coffee). The rest is amino acids and B vitamins. Gives you a great, steady flow of energy for right around 5 hours, just as advertised. The best part is that it doesn't keep me up all damn night. I work out in the evenings, so loading up on caffeine would be a bad idea anyway. This stuff is a nice boost after a long day at work so I can hit it hard in the gym. At any rate, I thought some of you might want to give it a try. One of the gentler energy boosters I've tried by far. :up:

jag


Wow, really? I just assumed it was another harmful gimmicky energy pill/drink.

[jaguarr]

Wow, really? I just assumed it was another harmful gimmicky energy pill/drink.

Well, none of this stuff is GREAT for you if you're consuming it in mass quantities. This one's really fairly benign as far as energy drinks go, though. I wouldn't want to use it every day or anything, but a few a week before workouts isn't going to hurt you. Better than using No-Explode or some **** like that that just mangles your insides.

jag

[Super Kal]

I hit 255 today... I'm friggin ecstatic.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, none of this stuff is GREAT for you if you're consuming it in mass quantities. This one's really fairly benign as far as energy drinks go, though. I wouldn't want to use it every day or anything, but a few a week before workouts isn't going to hurt you. Better than using No-Explode or some **** like that that just mangles your insides.

jag

Ugh, and I have to sell that crap in a week :(

[kytrigger]

I agree with the stretching. Before and after the run, stretch your calves. Before my run, I stretch for a minute, then run "high knee" style on your toes for about 10 yards, then do it again. Also, get on the edge of a curb or step or block and stretch by pushing yourself up (like a calf raise), but also roll your foot back and have your weight on the back edge of your heel (to stretch the front of the calf).
Make sure your shoes are right for your feet-depending on the shape of your foot, you may need a certain type of shoe. There is a test you can do to determine your foot shape and thus the most likely way that you make your steps and what type of shoe you need.

http://www.time-to-run.com/beginners/shoes.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_type

Also, if possible, run on a forgiving surface, i.e. not concrete.
Good luck!Thanks, I'll give these websites a try and see if I need new shoes. i just got done with my run and I am plenty sore right now (I'm always much more sore it seems for about 2 hours after I run.)


Basic? What branch?Going into the Army :up:

[jaguarr]

I hit 255 today... I'm friggin ecstatic.

:up:

Ugh, and I have to sell that crap in a week :(

Whore! Hahaha!

jag

[Jack Rabbit]

Going into the Army :up:

:csad:

...Well, at least you're doin' something, bro.

[batnkevlar]

So benchingwise, if i weigh 170, what is a "strong" weight amount I should be hitting, and how many reps?

[kytrigger]

:csad:

...Well, at least you're doin' something, bro.what branch are you in?

[Holly]

:csad:

...Well, at least you're doin' something, bro.

lol they have an Army ad at the top sometimes. how does that make you feel

[Colossal Spoons]

Whore! Hahaha!

jag

It's totally good for you. BSN's doctors give it 2 thumbs up. /straight face

[Super Kal]

:up:

jag
I finally bought those orthotics today, jag.

[Colossal Spoons]

So benchingwise, if i weigh 170, what is a "strong" weight amount I should be hitting, and how many reps?

That's all up to you. I like to be able to bench my bodyweight personally.

[Jack Rabbit]

what branch are you in?

http://members.aol.com/Salem83/usmc.jpg

Yut.

[Super Kal]

edit: excuse me for being human and making a mistake...

[Jack Rabbit]

navy, right?

You're going want to correct yourself, right now.

[kytrigger]

http://members.aol.com/Salem83/usmc.jpg

Yut.
Fair enough. I was actually stuck between Army and Marines, and the Marines recruiter found out I have a metal plate in my arm, he basically told me that they probably wouldn't pass my physical and after that pretty much half-assed me thinking I was a waste of time.

The Army gave me a lot of extra ******** for it, but we made it work so I could still go in.

My brother in law was a marine though and he is one of the ones that really got me interested in joining any branch.

[Super Kal]

the thing looks like an anchor to me... but oh well...



marines?

[jaguarr]

So benchingwise, if i weigh 170, what is a "strong" weight amount I should be hitting, and how many reps?

That's all up to you. I like to be able to bench my bodyweight personally.

Spoons is right. It all depends on what YOU feel will be a good accomplishment for you. Don't get too hung up on what everyone else benches (half of 'em lie about it anyway) or what they say amounts to being strong. At least being able to bench your bodyweight amounts to being strong as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I like to be able to push far more than my own body weight. I keep chasing being able to push twice my bodyweight, but I've got a ways to go. The more muscle I put on, the heavier I get, which makes it harder to accomplish that goal. Haha! And no matter how strong you get, there's always someone stronger.

I finally bought those orthotics today, jag.

Awesome! Let me know how you like them. Might take a week or two to really feel the difference.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

2x my bodyweight would be 450....maybe next year :o

[Jack Rabbit]

Fair enough. I was actually stuck between Army and Marines, and the Marines recruiter found out I have a metal plate in my arm, he basically told me that they probably wouldn't pass my physical and after that pretty much half-assed me thinking I was a waste of time.

The Army gave me a lot of extra ******** for it, but we made it work so I could still go in.

My brother in law was a marine though and he is one of the ones that really got me interested in joining any branch.

I have an instilled prejudice for soldiers, and my job school was on an Army base, so I've actually seen how they function. But, the Army and the Marine Corps closer than we've been in years, which is interesting.

But, in all reality, the Marine Corps has always been a warrior culture, and I think that's something the Army is now trying to get back to. When they began opening the Army up for everyone during peacetime, with the whole Army of One ****, I think they became more of a company and less of a fighting force.

Kak- it is an anchor. That's our emblem, the Eagle, Globe and Anchor. Eagle for Nationalism, Globe for worldwide influence, and Anchor for naval traditions. Don't forget it.:cmad:

[jaguarr]

2x my bodyweight would be 450....maybe next year :o

You'll be much lighter without your soul, which you will definitely lose when you start hawking CellMass on the unsuspecting public.

Twice my bodyweight would be about 396 give or take a couple of pounds. I've been pushing around 325 or so for reps, so quite a ways to go. :o

jag

[kytrigger]

2x my bodyweight would be 450....maybe next year :o
You know, a little NO-Explode would really help you in that area. Especially if you double dose it with some TrimSpa. :o

[Jack Rabbit]

I hit 255 today... I'm friggin ecstatic.

How much have you lost?

[Super Kal]

How much have you lost?
in all, 40 pounds

[kytrigger]

I have an instilled prejudice for soldiers, and my job school was on an Army base, so I've actually seen how they function. But, the Army and the Marine Corps closer than we've been in years, which is interesting.

But, in all reality, the Marine Corps has always been a warrior culture, and I think that's something the Army is now trying to get back to. When they began opening the Army up for everyone during peacetime, with the whole Army of One ****, I think they became more of a company and less of a fighting force.

Kak- it is an anchor. That's our emblem, the Eagle, Globe and Anchor. Eagle for Nationalism, Globe for worldwide influence, and Anchor for naval traditions. Don't forget it.:cmad:
what army base were you on? What's your MOS?

[jaguarr]

Don't let Jack Rabbit put you off, kak. Don't forget, he's been brainwashed. :oldrazz:

jag

[Super Kal]

we branch out into space in the military, then I'll be interested...

[Jack Rabbit]

what army base were you on? What's your MOS?

Fort Meade, MD.

I'm a Combat Correspondent.

Don't let Jack Rabbit put you off, kak. Don't forget, he's been brainwashed. :oldrazz:

jag

Damn right.:cmad:

Errr, YUUUUUUT, Semper Fi, KILL!:cmad:


:oldrazz:

[Colossal Spoons]

You'll be much lighter without your soul, which you will definitely lose when you start hawking CellMass on the unsuspecting public.

Twice my bodyweight would be about 396 give or take a couple of pounds. I've been pushing around 325 or so for reps, so quite a ways to go. :o

jag

I can see myself in the corner thinking "Don't ask me any questions, please don't ask me any questions" everytime a customer walks in :D

I've only been lifting seriously for about 3 years and my 1-rep max is 245. I don't care much about numbers as most of the people who harp over them make me sick anyway. I just wanna be able to crack walnuts in between my pecs :o

You know, a little NO-Explode would really help you in that area. Especially if you double dose it with some TrimSpa. :o

"C-Spoons found dead at 35 with fruit punch flavored powder under his nose" :(

[jaguarr]

Numbers don't mean ****, honestly. There are days I can't even get over 300 and there are days I can. Everyone is different from one another and even different from day to day. What matters most is that you're getting the most out of every workout and pushing yourself to do the absolute best that you can do on that given day. You do that, and it's all good. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm still in a ridiculous amount of pain after the hip adductor yesterday :(

I challenge any macho-man who thinks that machine is for the womenfolk to hop on it for a few dozen reps :up:

[mrvlknight21]

Thanks, I'll give these websites a try and see if I need new shoes. i just got done with my run and I am plenty sore right now (I'm always much more sore it seems for about 2 hours after I run.)

Going into the Army :up:

What kind of times are you doing? (1 mile, 2 mile, whatever).
Just curious.
Are you looking to improve your time or just your endurance level?

[mrvlknight21]

Spoons is right. It all depends on what YOU feel will be a good accomplishment for you. Don't get too hung up on what everyone else benches (half of 'em lie about it anyway) or what they say amounts to being strong. At least being able to bench your bodyweight amounts to being strong as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I like to be able to push far more than my own body weight. I keep chasing being able to push twice my bodyweight, but I've got a ways to go. The more muscle I put on, the heavier I get, which makes it harder to accomplish that goal. Haha! And no matter how strong you get, there's always someone stronger.


Awesome! Let me know how you like them. Might take a week or two to really feel the difference.

jag

I wonder about that also. I have had people that weight 165 and can bench 310 (almost 2 times bodyweight) and then I see people who can just get their bodyweight, but they weigh 250 and both are satisfied with their bench.
I agree, that nobody should get too hung up oon the numbers, unless they are competitive powerlifters.
However, if anyone wants to gain some significant weight on their bench, the Shawn Phillip's program DOES WORK. I used it and gained 45 lbs, and had 2 friends use it, one added 50 pounds and one added 65! Keep in mind, it will change your routine and this is again, if you are completely focused on your 1 rep max. (Maybe if you made a bet with someone or something). It takes 7 or 8 weeks I believe. But it does work.

[mrvlknight21]

2x my bodyweight would be 450....maybe next year :o

Wow, I didnt know you weighed 225 Spoons!

[Colossal Spoons]

Wow, I didnt know you weighed 225 Spoons!

Yup, 25lbs away from my goal :D

[AndThePickles]

Spoons is definitely a big boy.

[jaguarr]

Spoons is definitely a big boy.

It isn't because he's got Fudrucker's Butt, is it, foul temptress? :cmad:

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Spoons is definitely a big boy.

Lets keep it PG okay lady!

LOL!

[AndThePickles]

It isn't because he's got Fudrucker's Butt, is it, foul temptress? :cmad:

jag

No, he's got a Red Robin Rear :o

[jaguarr]

No, he's got a Red Robin Rear :o

Well THAT is teh secks. :up:

jag

[AndThePickles]

Lets keep it PG okay lady!

LOL!

Pssh, from your earlier "wow" to Spoons, you're obviously pleased to know :o

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm uncomfortable :o

[mrvlknight21]

Pssh, from your earlier "wow" to Spoons, you're obviously pleased to know :o

HAHAHA GOOD ONE!
Seriously though, I have a 32 year unblemished record of heterosexuality.:oldrazz:

[Colossal Spoons]

Keep down the good work :D

[batnkevlar]

I'm 175, right now I'm benching 175 9x on the first set, 8x on the second, and 7x on the third... once the first set hits ten, then i'll add maybe 25 more lbs and work my way back up...

is that good?

[Ryo Jin]

we branch out into space in the military, then I'll be interested...

Yeah, it's called the Air Force.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Keep down the good work :D

This is what you call a break from the internet? Stay classy? YOU have no class! :cmad:

[Colossal Spoons]

This is what you call a break from the internet? Stay classy? YOU have no class! :cmad:

Yo, I gotta talk about comics and fitness. And I'm less likely to have "it" spoiled here...until Friday.

[Super Kal]

Yeah, it's called the Air Force.
does the Air Force fly around in space right now?... yeah, I didn't think so.

call me when we have fleets in space.