The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[Holly]

I have to go high end for the burger or just make it myself at home (which is also a damn nice treat with all the organic beef we've got in the freezer). I just can't stand fast food places anymore. My taste buds just don't like it much anymore since I've cleaned up my diet. At any rate, I only eat something like that maybe once every week and a half to two weeks.

jag

what do you normally eat? what have you eaten today so far? and what are you eating for dinner?

[kytrigger]

Bastards! I just got off the phone with my recruiter and he just told me about their weight policy. Originally I was told that I can be within 5 lbs of the maximum weight allowed for my height and age (203 lbs.) that I am fine because of the amount of weight I have lost.

Now I'm beign told by an different guy that that isn't the case. I have to be at exactly 203 or less or else I have to do the ARMS test again (not really hard) BUT I also am on restricted diet during Basic. This is what sucks the most because I am pertty sure I want all the freaking carbs/calories I can get during basic simply for energy sakes. I've already lost 30 lbs in the last 4 months and am on a pace for about a total of 35 lbs before I leave in 3.5 weeks.

If I stick to my current pace I'll be about 3.4 to 4 lbs heavy. I guess it looks like I'm gonna have to start cutting again like back in wrestling. It might be unhealthy as hell, but I'll gladly do it for extra food.

Anyone have any good (ie as healthy as possible) weight cutting techniques. Sauna is out for me since I don't have access to one right now. I still have some rubber suits though that will make the sweat pour off of me, but I'm always wary of those. Then there is always good 'ole liquid diet for a few days.


GRRRRR...gonna go do an anger run :cmad:

[jaguarr]

All the rubber suits and wrestling cutting techniques are going to buy you are dropping water weight, which will come right back as soon as you rehydrate. I supposed you could keep that as an ace card in your back pocket to do just before you go for your weigh-in. If you've lost 30 pounds in 4 months, though, you're doing pretty good so I'd tell you to stay on course. There's not much different you could do for the next 3.5 weeks to increase your weight loss. If you drop your calories you could wind up stalling out your metabolism and losing ground. If you up them, same thing. You could do two-a-day sessions with your cardio for a couple of weeks and see if that helps, I suppose. Might be too much strain on your CNS and immune systems, though.

jag

[kytrigger]

All the rubber suits and wrestling cutting techniques are going to buy you are dropping water weight, which will come right back as soon as you rehydrate. I supposed you could keep that as an ace card in your back pocket to do just before you go for your weigh-in. If you've lost 30 pounds in 4 months, though, you're doing pretty good so I'd tell you to stay on course. There's not much different you could do for the next 3.5 weeks to increase your weight loss. If you drop your calories you could wind up stalling out your metabolism and losing ground. If you up them, same thing. You could do two-a-day sessions with your cardio for a couple of weeks and see if that helps, I suppose. Might be too much strain on your CNS and immune systems, though.

jag
Yeah, My plan is to keep doing what I'm doing and if I have to to just lose the water weight the last week or so. I don't care that I will go back up since:

1. I have lost a good amount of weight already.

2. Will lose those extra few pounds in basic anyway

3. I can already pass the Physical Fitness Test given to us at the end of Basic. I know I'm in as good of shape (if not better) than quite a few people going in so my weight shouldn't be a major factor IMO.

Hopefully I'll hit a really good cycle and lose a little bit more weight than I have estimated (since I plataued a little recently). Otherwise I'll be giving the finger to that water weight.



The good news is that since I was angry and ran, I posted the fastes mile time I have done since I started getting into shape. :up:

[jaguarr]

Alright, for the weight lifters and bodybuilders hanging around here, mandatory viewing for chest training (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/fitshow3.htm).


And good job on that run, kytrigger. Do work! :up:

jag

[Holly]

why do you ignore me :(

[Colossal Spoons]

I think I may have had the best workout of my life today. It was chest/biceps. I was well rested, energy levels were high, and boy was I focused. Jumped up in weight on almost everything too. I wish tomorrow weren't cardio cuz I'm in the mood to attempt 2 amazing lifting days in a row. Good news is, I'm trying the stair stepper tomorrow...well it might be bad news by the end lol.

[AndThePickles]

You can do it!

[ShadowBoxing]

what do you normally eat? what have you eaten today so far? and what are you eating for dinner?
If he is following the meal plan typical for bodybuilders. Then you start with

Protien/Carbs/Fruit - Meal 1
Protien/Carbs/good fats - Meal 2
Protien/Carbs/Veggies - Meal 3
Post workout shake (Usually consists of Protien/carbs and some fruits) - Meal 4
Protien/Veggies - Meal 5
Protien/good fats - Meal 6

People looking to gain weight will usually look to eat carbs post workout as well. Usually meals break down in a 40-40-20 (or 50-40-10 for girls) - which is 40% protien, 40% carbs, 20% good fats.

If you want to have a lower bodyfat percentage, you can't eat carbs past four o clock...or whenever you start winding down for the day. So no carbs at dinner.

[Mr Sparkle]

all of you reading this.
if any of you lift weights and make a lot of noise while lifting said weights, and like, slam down the weights when you're done and then walk around huffing and puffing like the big bad wolf.

kill yourselves.
actually, death is too good for you people.
become government employees.

[jaguarr]

all of you reading this.
if any of you lift weights and make a lot of noise while lifting said weights, and like, slam down the weights when you're done and then walk around huffing and puffing like the big bad wolf.

kill yourselves.
actually, death is too good for you people.
become government employees.

WTF are you on about? :huh:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

The guys who lift and really want people to notice them by grunting extra loud, dropping the weights so the whole room hears, and walk around breathing way too heavily.

[jaguarr]

The guys who lift and really want people to notice them by grunting extra loud, dropping the weights so the whole room hears, and walk around breathing way too heavily.

I guess? :huh: Yeah, they're idiots but they aren't worthy of a rant. Maybe one touched him in his "bad place" when he was a child or something? :huh:

jag

[jaguarr]

If he is following the meal plan typical for bodybuilders. Then you start with

Protien/Carbs/Fruit - Meal 1
Protien/Carbs/good fats - Meal 2
Protien/Carbs/Veggies - Meal 3
Post workout shake (Usually consists of Protien/carbs and some fruits) - Meal 4
Protien/Veggies - Meal 5
Protien/good fats - Meal 6

People looking to gain weight will usually look to eat carbs post workout as well. Usually meals break down in a 40-40-20 (or 50-40-10 for girls) - which is 40% protien, 40% carbs, 20% good fats.

If you want to have a lower bodyfat percentage, you can't eat carbs past four o clock...or whenever you start winding down for the day. So no carbs at dinner.

Something along those lines. I follow a 40-40-20 split at 3350 calories per day and I do some carb cycling where my carb intake is lower on non-lift days depending on my recovery status. On the one day a week I'm doing no lifting or cardio at all and I'm not as deep into recovery, I'll sometimes take a real low dip on the carbs. I will do carbs past 4 o'clock, though, because I lift in the evenings after work and need them PWO.

jag

[Fran]

I'm gonna be camping for a week starting tomorrow, and I need to know some advice to not starve myself. I'm not sure if we're gonna be eating a whole lot.

[jaguarr]

Camping? Fun! Just take lots of things to snack on like trail mix, fruit, jerky, nuts. Grill some steaks. High quality hot dogs are good over an open fire. A big cooler can be a good way to take some good foods with you. Just takes some planning and effort to make sure you'll have enough quality foods with you to keep your caloric intake from taking a dive or from just eating a bunch of crap. Just be sure to keep all the food in your tent so the bears don't get it. :up:

jag

[Fran]

There probably ARE bears where I'm going. :csad:

[jaguarr]

There probably ARE bears where I'm going. :csad:

http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/campw_bears.html


jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd die after 4 hours of camping. I need civilization. I hear it's a good way to get away from the hustle and bustle of everyday life, but I'd rather lock myself in my room and transform/de-transform my Transformers for a few hours :o

[Fran]

Yeah, but I'm going with my best friends, not lame family :up:

[kytrigger]

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/directv-announces-sat-go-portable-satellite-tv-system/

CS's "needs" when he goes camping include this.

[ultracuerpo]

Hi everybody:

It´s all about discipline,dedication and nutrition knowledges!
The most important nutrient for muscle development is protein,the higher biological value the better!You also need small amounts of carbohydrates,essencial fatty acids vitamins& minerals ,fiber and water!!
I´m personal trainer,nutritionist and fitness national multichamp.
Actually working on my Riddick amateur projects.
Good luck folks!

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/7905/fervi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[jaguarr]

Welcome, ultracuerpo. You look to have your diet and routine dialed in very welll. :up: A lot of people don't appreciate the time, effort and experimentation it takes to get it figured out for yourself like that. There's no "one size fits all" solution, since everyone's so different. You said something about diet that made me think of something one of my friends who competes says all the time: "Nothing is more anabolic than food". Sort of his commentary on people who get hung up on supplements and all the crap out there the industry pushes, thinking it will help them get to their goals. He also says "Shut up and eat!", too. Hah! :D

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/directv-announces-sat-go-portable-satellite-tv-system/

CS's "needs" when he goes camping include this.

Damn right. I ain't missin wrestling :o

[AndThePickles]

Spoons may as well just not go camping in the outdoors and set up a tent in his basement.

[Colossal Spoons]

Spoons may as well just not go camping in the outdoors and set up a tent in his basement.

Best trip ever. Just me and my dog :up:

[AndThePickles]

Best trip ever. Just me and my dog :up:

All your food would be gone within the first hour.

[jaguarr]

Spoons may as well just not go camping in the outdoors and set up a tent in his basement.

The bears would still get him.

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

So, because of my hawt bod, or some such nonsense, I have been asked by this girl to pose as a gladiator at her party with a couple other bodybuilders/models from the gym. She's real rich too, so it should be fun. We have to carry her out like Cleopatra at the beginning in this procession. Yes, I realize it's all very historically inaccurate.

[jaguarr]

Someone post that "You gonna get raped" pic for ShadowBoxing. :hyper:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Someone post that "You gonna get raped" pic for ShadowBoxing. :hyper:

jag
Why???

[jaguarr]

Why???

Because it amuses me! :heart:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Because it amuses me! :heart:

jag
http://i16.tinypic.com/4gqq5hx.jpg (http://tinypic.com/)
Only this time...it's a cute little dog.

[jaguarr]

Haha! WTF is with the dog? :D

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Haha! WTF is with the dog? :D

jag
His name is Handbanana...he has problems.:csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

All your food would be gone within the first hour.

That dog knows I'll bite him if he tries anything like that.

[jaguarr]

Handbanana? LOL! Wow....

jag

[Super Kal]

bump

how long should one be on an exercise bike a day for?

[Colossal Spoons]

There's no "should", but 30 mins should be the minimum unless you've already worked out prior to the bike.

[Super Kal]

I've already done an hour and ten minutes worth, but i would like to do another 30 minutes... is that too much?

[Holly]

So, because of my hawt bod, or some such nonsense, I have been asked by this girl to pose as a gladiator at her party with a couple other bodybuilders/models from the gym. She's real rich too, so it should be fun. We have to carry her out like Cleopatra at the beginning in this procession. Yes, I realize it's all very historically inaccurate.

youve told this story about 10 times

[Colossal Spoons]

I've already done an hour and ten minutes worth, but i would like to do another 30 minutes... is that too much?

Yeah, you're not training for a marathon, are you?

[Super Kal]

... no... but it feels good...

and I'm just talking like 30 minutes of low impact biking here... I usually do 5 minute intervals of high intensity, then 5 minutes of low intensity

[Colossal Spoons]

Pedal faster and try to keep it under an hour

[Super Kal]

hwy keep it under an hour?

[Holly]

after an hour it starts feeding off your muscles for energy.

?

[Frantik]

Hey does anybody here workout with Kettlebells? I have been using them and I just love the feel of the bells. I got light ones though to allow myself to get use to them, 12 lbs and 8kgs.

[Colossal Spoons]

Holly FTW

Catabolism

[Holly]

+10 smart points!

im up to -20 :csad:

[Super Kal]

I'm starting to get a mental itch that I want to do more cardio... I take it that's a bad thing?

[bubrub]

i like to run alot
gets my blood going:up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Woo woo

[Colossal Spoons]

+10 smart points!

im up to -20 :csad:

We don't do the point thing when Fran isn't around. Even then, we probably should stop.

[Super Kal]

but yeah, um... should I try and stop wanting to do cardio this much?

[Colossal Spoons]

You can't make yourself stop wanting to do things. Doing too much cardio is bad, not sure what else to tell ya.

[Super Kal]

lol, okay then.. so more than an hour a day is bad for me?

[Colossal Spoons]

That's the rule I live by :up:

[terry78]

You're supposed to be able to do a nine minute mile. Now multiply that by 60 minutes.

[Super Kal]

alright... I'll keep that in mind.

[mrvlknight21]

lol, okay then.. so more than an hour a day is bad for me?

Not necessarily. Keep in mind your goals. If you wanted to do more than an hour, you could do 45 minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening, if you had the time and all. But remember what Jag and I told you about a while back (it sounds like you are physically prepared for it since you want to do more)-do some basic bodyweight exercises. Do the cardio at 1 point in the day and then at the other part do some bodyweight work-squats, pushups, situps, etc etc. Or, for a change of pace, combine them circuit style with the cardio for a kick a$$ routine.

[mrvlknight21]

You're supposed to be able to do a nine minute mile. Now multiply that by 60 minutes.

Where do you get the 9 minute mile figure?

[jaguarr]

I'm getting back on track today. Wound up taking a few days off to attend my high school reunion. Had intended to pick back up on Sunday but was wiped out from some late nights of partying with my old high school buddies, so took Sunday and Monday to rest back up. Gonna hit it hard today with a chest/tri's workout. :up:

jag

[Super Kal]

sounds good, jag :up:

[kytrigger]

Hey, how good/bad for you is detoxing? My cousin is doing a 4 or 5 day detox to get the general crap out of her system. One of her firends does it about once a year and swears by it, but hey also do a much more rigorous version (about an 8 day water only fast.) My cousin is doing a smaller version and was like a 4 day juice fast. Other than constantly calling her a hippy, I didn't know what else to say about it since I've never known someone to actualyl do one.

I figure you could definately lose some muscle during it, but since it's only 4 days out of the year, maybe it's not too bad. Also, I am guessing she won't be working out during those days simply because her energy would be low.

Basically, is this even safe to do and does it actually work?

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm getting back on track today. Wound up taking a few days off to attend my high school reunion. Had intended to pick back up on Sunday but was wiped out from some late nights of partying with my old high school buddies, so took Sunday and Monday to rest back up. Gonna hit it hard today with a chest/tri's workout. :up:

jag

Glad you had fun man. Were these buddies you kept in contact with?

[DV8]

I'm getting back on track today. Wound up taking a few days off to attend my high school reunion. Had intended to pick back up on Sunday but was wiped out from some late nights of partying with my old high school buddies, so took Sunday and Monday to rest back up. Gonna hit it hard today with a chest/tri's workout. :up:

jag

I started following your regime, dude . . . I did the chest/tri workout on Sunday, and I'm really feeling sore . . . a good sore, though . . . although I'm not able to do chest dips cuz I don't have a dipbar, or suitable chairs . . . I just kind of did what I could on the list and made up for the others w/ my own excersises :up: good ****, jag

question: what exactly is an 'ass to grass' squat? just basically a squat, going as low as possible, I reckon; and what are 'widow-makers'? I did the leg/delt workout today and didn't know what these 2 things were . . .

[jaguarr]

Hey, how good/bad for you is detoxing? My cousin is doing a 4 or 5 day detox to get the general crap out of her system. One of her firends does it about once a year and swears by it, but hey also do a much more rigorous version (about an 8 day water only fast.) My cousin is doing a smaller version and was like a 4 day juice fast. Other than constantly calling her a hippy, I didn't know what else to say about it since I've never known someone to actualyl do one.

I figure you could definately lose some muscle during it, but since it's only 4 days out of the year, maybe it's not too bad. Also, I am guessing she won't be working out during those days simply because her energy would be low.

Basically, is this even safe to do and does it actually work?

If you're drinking 1-1.5 gallons of water per day, you're basically flushing your body of toxins anyway, without going to such extremes. And, yes, it can be unsafe for certain people depending on their health or if they have issues like hypoglycemia for example.

Glad you had fun man. Were these buddies you kept in contact with?

Nope. I hadn't seen any of them in 20 years. It was amazing to see how poorly some people I went to school with have aged. Some of them looked great, though, and quite a few of my old running buddies turned out to be living in or near the city I live in now, which is sort of amazing in of itself. It was a surreal experience, for sure, though. We toured the school, which has changed a little bit but not a ton. Seeing all those people and the places I spent part of my childhood brought back a lot of memories. There was a certain amount of catharsis in doing all that. I doubt I'd have gotten that effect had I gone to my 10 year reunion, but the 20 year one was worth making the trek for. My favorite line of the weekend, uttered by a lot of the people I hadn't seen in so long? "Oh my god, you're HUGE!". :D :egostroke:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Nope. I hadn't seen any of them in 20 years. It was amazing to see how poorly some people I went to school with have aged. Some of them looked great, though, and quite a few of my old running buddies turned out to be living in or near the city I live in now, which is sort of amazing in of itself. It was a surreal experience, for sure, though. We toured the school, which has changed a little bit but not a ton. Seeing all those people and the places I spent part of my childhood brought back a lot of memories. There was a certain amount of catharsis in doing all that. I doubt I'd have gotten that effect had I gone to my 10 year reunion, but the 20 year one was worth making the trek for. My favorite line of the weekend, uttered by a lot of the people I hadn't seen in so long? "Oh my god, you're HUGE!". :D :egostroke:

jag

Haha, you earned it :D

[mrvlknight21]

I started following your regime, dude . . . I did the chest/tri workout on Sunday, and I'm really feeling sore . . . a good sore, though . . . although I'm not able to do chest dips cuz I don't have a dipbar, or suitable chairs . . . I just kind of did what I could on the list and made up for the others w/ my own excersises :up: good ****, jag

question: what exactly is an 'ass to grass' squat? just basically a squat, going as low as possible, I reckon; and what are 'widow-makers'? I did the leg/delt workout today and didn't know what these 2 things were . . .

According to what I know, widowmakers are a 20 rep set of squats typically at the end of a workout to completely blast the legs. It needs to be a weight that you dont think you can get 20 on. Jag can add to this or correct me if he needs to, but that is my understanding.
Check this link for more info.
http://www.ironworkout.com/20_rep_squat.htm

of course, you can google it yourself and get the same info.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You can't make yourself stop wanting to do things. Doing too much cardio is bad, not sure what else to tell ya.

Well...that is a loaded statement. Bad, as in bad for your health? I doubt it, that is of course taking into account that you are not doing endless hours of cardio and not eating right.

But bad in terms of what your goals are, well then yes it may not be the best idea to do so much cardio.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

On another note, my back feels a lot better now. Back in the gym this morning for the first time in almost a month. The lay offed sucked ass, but I rested and iced so I'm making sure to take it a little slower this time around.

[jaguarr]

That's a good link, Devil. Shows pretty good ATG Squat form. This guy has pretty decent ATG Squat form as well:

6KPGzx_oGJ4

I personally don't like to have my feet quite so far apart, but it's all a matter of personal comfort. As long as you're feeling the movement in your glutes and quads, it's all good.

DV8, let me know what you're substituting in place of the things I'm recommending and what kind of equipment you have access to. For dips, for example, a good alternative would be decline bench press. Glad you're enjoying the routine. :up:

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

DO you want your feet pointed out the way he has them when squatting like that Jag?

[jaguarr]

DO you want your feet pointed out the way he has them when squatting like that Jag?

Depends on what's comfortable for you more than anything. I don't like my feet pointed out quite that much, but it's good to have them pointed out at least a bit. Gives you better balance for the movement. There are certain things you can do with feet positioning that will effect how much the movement impacts quads vs. glutes and what part of each of those muscles gets worked primarily, but those are pretty advanced techniques and really not worth worrying about unless you're getting ready for competition and have someone to coach you through them.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Depends on what's comfortable for you more than anything. I don't like my feet pointed out quite that much, but it's good to have them pointed out at least a bit. Gives you better balance for the movement. There are certain things you can do with feet positioning that will effect how much the movement impacts quads vs. glutes and what part of each of those muscles gets worked primarily, but those are pretty advanced techniques and really not worth worrying about unless you're getting ready for competition and have someone to coach you through them.

jag

Sounds good. :up:

Quick question Jag, I'm switching up my routine a little bit. I was doing 3x6 and three exercises per body part, or as close to as I could get. With rest time of about 90 seconds in between sets.

Now I'm switching to 3x10 with no rest but hitting a different body part in between each exercise. This morning I went from chest, to tris to shoulders then back to chest.

I know this is going for more definition, but 10 should still allow me to build strength but at a slower pace. Should I still try to shoot for three exercises per body part with this new routine?

[jaguarr]

Sounds good. :up:

Quick question Jag, I'm switching up my routine a little bit. I was doing 3x6 and three exercises per body part, or as close to as I could get. With rest time of about 90 seconds in between sets.

Now I'm switching to 3x10 with no rest but hitting a different body part in between each exercise. This morning I went from chest, to tris to shoulders then back to chest.

I know this is going for more definition, but 10 should still allow me to build strength but at a slower pace. Should I still try to shoot for three exercises per body part with this new routine?

Yes, two to three exercises per body part. You still need the rest in between sets, IMHO. What you're doing is basically a bunch of supersetting and that's going to limit your gains over time. It's good to do once in awhile but, unless you're crunched for time, you're better off doing all the sets of a particular exercise before moving on to the next one. This gives the targeted muscle a more focused and intense workout to break down the muscle fibers.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yes, two to three exercises per body part. You still need the rest in between sets, IMHO. What you're doing is basically a bunch of supersetting and that's going to limit your gains over time. It's good to do once in awhile but, unless you're crunched for time, you're better off doing all the sets of a particular exercise before moving on to the next one. This gives the targeted muscle a more focused and intense workout to break down the muscle fibers.

jag

Sounds good, so maybe once a week or once every two weeks? Is there any benefit to not resting between sets?

[jaguarr]

Sounds good, so maybe once a week or once every two weeks? Is there any benefit to not resting between sets?

Not resting between sets is more like circuit training and is more of a cardiovascular focused workout than a strength training one. You still get some strength training benefits, but not anywhere near what you get with a more focused routine that includes rest times. I personally don't change my routines around all that much except in terms of the number of reps/sets and the amount of weight I'm using. I swap some different exercises in here and there as well. Otherwise, I stick to the same 60-90 second rest between sets no matter how heavy or light I'm lifting or how many sets/reps I'm doing. I tend to change up my rep/set scheme every 2-4 weeks, depending on how my progress is going.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Sounds good, thanks Jag :up:

Your wisdom and guidance will doom us all....uhh...that came out wrong for some reason. :up:

[DV8]

That's a good link, Devil. Shows pretty good ATG Squat form. This guy has pretty decent ATG Squat form as well:

6KPGzx_oGJ4
DV8, let me know what you're substituting in place of the things I'm recommending and what kind of equipment you have access to. For dips, for example, a good alternative would be decline bench press. Glad you're enjoying the routine. :up:

jag

yeah . . . this week I've only been concentrating on the weightlifting aspect, and next week I'll start hitting the cardio . . . I'm a slack ass I know

anyway, here's what I've been doing:

Sunday:

Chest: BB bench press (flat) 2 sets of 8 at 205lbs.
incline DB bench (alternating) 2 sets of 15-20 at 30lbs. per arm
incline flies 2 set of 20-30 at 35lbs. per arm
**what I've been doing is my moderate/heavy set on the bench press followed directly by a lower-weight set of flies/DB press . . . to mix up the strenght-gaining/cutting factor . . .

Triceps: 3 sets of behind-the-head tricep curls (w/ curl bar) at 50lbs.
tricep dips (I did 3 sets of 25-30), since I don't have a dip bar, I just use my bench as a base, extending my legs at an angle, and dipping w/ my arms . . . this KILLED my triceps :up:

I'm thinking I should do some reverse grip curls for triceps though, would do some good for the biceps too . . .

yesterday I did the following:

Legs: 3 sets of squats at only a low weight to get my form down (95- 100lbs.) at 12 reps a pop . . .
3 sets of 12 of quad leg extensions at 80lbs.
3 sets of calf raises
Delts: 2 sets of 12 lateral raises at 15-20lbs.
2 sets of 12 reverse flies (not sure what you called them) at 15- 20lbs.)
2 sets of 12 DB standing shoulder press at 30lbs. each

and I also did 3 sets of various ab workouts; I try to mix that up too . . . I kind of 'invented' this ab exercise, which is kind of like the windmill, where I rotate my legs in the air in a circle, going down and coming back up, and that **** KILLS the abs :up: then I'd do a set of flutter-kicks, and a swiss ball set of alternating crunches . . . I felt like goddam Rocky :D

anyway, I have a treadmill but I usually do laps of these stairs leading to a church not too far from my house . . . I usually go for 10 laps, and the stairs are about 2 stories up . . . maybe a bit more

I have a pretty nice bench for barbell pressing, squats, and sitting military press, and it also has a leg developer and preacher curl attachment . . . I have a small bench I used to use, but now limit it to dumbbell work only . . . like I said I have a treadmill but I'd prefer not to use it unless I have to during the colder months . . .

[Fran]

We don't do the point thing when Fran isn't around. Even then, we probably should stop.

:csad::cmad:

[Super Kal]

right now, I'm varying between 253-251, depending on the time of day

[Excel]

ive gotten down to 191 from 212; 21 lbs down, only 11 more to go! My bench has gone up to 4x10 of 260, but my six pack still isnt showing like it should! wtf! Ive been mad dieting and lots of excersize, what gives???

[Colossal Spoons]

Anybody here besides Jag eat upwards of 200g of protein a day? It's getting increasingly hard to meet my body weight in grams of protein. I'm drinking between 150-175 g from shakes and I'm pretty sure that's not good(I need to get at least 230g). I eat peanut butter and tuna every other day but I really need to work some fish and chicken into my diet. It was easy when I was at school and I had unlimited chicken breasts at my disposal but now that I actually have to prepare the food....:(

[Super Kal]

I try and get as much protein as I can, but there's no way I can get 250 grams of protein a day

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah. Eventually, I wanna get my protein/bodyweight ratio to 1.5:1 but that'll be 345 grams a day :(

I might as well get a job on a chicken farm.

[Super Kal]

i have a good feeling that I'll hit 250 very soon... and that's a very good thing for me

[Colossal Spoons]

Good job doood.

[kytrigger]

Anybody here besides Jag eat upwards of 200g of protein a day? It's getting increasingly hard to meet my body weight in grams of protein. I'm drinking between 150-175 g from shakes and I'm pretty sure that's not good(I need to get at least 230g). I eat peanut butter and tuna every other day but I really need to work some fish and chicken into my diet. It was easy when I was at school and I had unlimited chicken breasts at my disposal but now that I actually have to prepare the food....:(
I was getting around 200 a day earlier this summer, but now that I am in full blown weight loss mode for the next 2-3 weeks, I've cut it down.

I used to get annoyed preparing the food, but the easiest way I found was I just designate a cooking day (usually Sunday) where I cook teh majority of my meals for the entire week. Usually 10-12 chicken breasts, maybe a huge batch of whoel wheat pasta or brown rice, a nice little vegetable medley etc. The I just refrigerate them all and during the week, combine them to whatever meal I want and microwave it.

The only thing I never usualyl do this with is beef becaue I like eat my medium rare meat right after cooking it and it doesn't take too long.

[Colossal Spoons]

How do you keep your chicken from tasting like rubber thanks to the microwave?

[jaguarr]

Shut up and eat! :o

jag

[kytrigger]

How do you keep your chicken from tasting like rubber thanks to the microwave?
seal the chicken in an airtight container and make sure you just keep some of the juices with it to keep it form drying out. (a good way is to find a natural chicken broth and cook the chicken with it)

[Colossal Spoons]

Shut up and eat! :o

jag

I do, I'm eating and drinking shakes all day long. I'm trying to reduce caloric intake but not at the expense of my protein.

seal the chicken in an airtight container and make sure you just keep some of the juices with it to keep it form drying out. (a good way is to find a natural chicken broth and cook the chicken with it)

Hmm, thanks.

[jaguarr]

ky's got the right idea about how to deal with the chore of cooking. :up: I took it a step further and married a great cook who doesn't mind making extra leftovers for me to eat the next day. :D

jag

[user123456789]

Shut up and eat! :o

jag
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Anybody here besides Jag eat upwards of 200g of protein a day? It's getting increasingly hard to meet my body weight in grams of protein. I'm drinking between 150-175 g from shakes and I'm pretty sure that's not good(I need to get at least 230g). I eat peanut butter and tuna every other day but I really need to work some fish and chicken into my diet. It was easy when I was at school and I had unlimited chicken breasts at my disposal but now that I actually have to prepare the food....:(

Yup spoons, 300g a day right here, well when I get all of my meals in. Lately no because I have been taking a break but before and now again I am. I get at least 225+ a day, if I get all my meals in all 6 I get between 275-300G. Two shakes a day and snacks like almonds or peanuts and other foods that have small but good amounts of protien in them.

Salmon great protein :up:, make a few chicken breasts at a time, that way you're not having to cook every meal before you eat it. Also sandwhiches are a blessing, I know there is a good amount or a lot of sodium in the deli meats, but hey it works and does the job. I eat a half lb of lunch meat with my sandwhich. Also buy some steak or pork chops to eat 1-2 times a week. :up:


Oh and eggs :up: really 200g shouldn't be all that hard spoons. I only weigh 160 right now and I can easily get 200g after jag told me to do two shakes a day. But that account for about 144g the rest I get through lean meats and other foods like spinach.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Shut up and eat! :o

jag


Exactly.

[mrvlknight21]

Spoons, I would recommend a Foreman grill. You can cook a frozen chicken breast in just a few short minutes with no prep.Typically 1 frozen chicken breast will get you AT LEAST 30 grams of protein (most are close to 40). Like these guys said-go ahead and cook a few days in advance. It can be a pain, but is better than having to turn to the snack machine, fast food or whatever because you are unprepared.

[jaguarr]

: ohmygodmyboobiesaresosore!:

Foreman Grill's rock! :up:

Legs and shoulders for me later today. Should be fun.

jag

[Super Kal]

never tried a foreman grill before

[terry78]

I may have to start taking some cues from your eating habits. Someone here at work seems to have stuffed six sticks of butter into the office refrigerator. :dry: I don't even want to know why.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Also like Jag has recommended many times, get a food scale :up:

[lollycop]

I weigh 120 pounds. I'm pretty small for my age.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ummmm...ok....where are you headed with this?

[lollycop]

Ummmm...ok....where are you headed with this?

Nowhere...:o

[Colossal Spoons]

ky's got the right idea about how to deal with the chore of cooking. :up: I took it a step further and married a great cook who doesn't mind making extra leftovers for me to eat the next day. :D

jag

So you're saying I should propose. Hmmm :rubschin:

[AndThePickles]

So you're saying I should propose. Hmmm :rubschin:

:wow: Haha. I did cook yummy pasta with lots of garlic tonight :heart:

[Colossal Spoons]

Yup spoons, 300g a day right here, well when I get all of my meals in. Lately no because I have been taking a break but before and now again I am. I get at least 225+ a day, if I get all my meals in all 6 I get between 275-300G. Two shakes a day and snacks like almonds or peanuts and other foods that have small but good amounts of protien in them.

Salmon great protein :up:, make a few chicken breasts at a time, that way you're not having to cook every meal before you eat it. Also sandwhiches are a blessing, I know there is a good amount or a lot of sodium in the deli meats, but hey it works and does the job. I eat a half lb of lunch meat with my sandwhich. Also buy some steak or pork chops to eat 1-2 times a week. :up:


Oh and eggs :up: really 200g shouldn't be all that hard spoons. I only weigh 160 right now and I can easily get 200g after jag told me to do two shakes a day. But that account for about 144g the rest I get through lean meats and other foods like spinach.

Yeah, gonna have to add a few hard boiled eggs in with my usual breakfast of oatmeal and a banana. I have a 48g shake when I first wake up.

Spoons, I would recommend a Foreman grill. You can cook a frozen chicken breast in just a few short minutes with no prep.Typically 1 frozen chicken breast will get you AT LEAST 30 grams of protein (most are close to 40). Like these guys said-go ahead and cook a few days in advance. It can be a pain, but is better than having to turn to the snack machine, fast food or whatever because you are unprepared.

I've got the huge one. It looks small in this picture obviously but it's at least 2 feet wide. I have like 2 lbs of talapia and salmon each in my freezer and I'll be buying more chicken tomorrow. Now to find recipes :(

http://www.johnlewis.com/jl_assets/product/230232689.jpg

I'm getting entirely too much protein from shakes.

[Colossal Spoons]

:wow: Haha. I did cook yummy pasta with lots of garlic tonight :heart:

Man, no PS3 for me. Now I gotta get you a ring :o :cmad:

[AndThePickles]

Man, no PS3 for me. Now I gotta get you a ring :o :cmad:

Oh darn :o:oldrazz: PS3 sucks anyways :o

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah, gonna have to add a few hard boiled eggs in with my usual breakfast of oatmeal and a banana. I have a 48g shake when I first wake up.



I've got the huge one. It looks small in this picture obviously but it's at least 2 feet wide. I have like 2 lbs of talapia and salmon each in my freezer and I'll be buying more chicken tomorrow. Now to find recipes :(

I'm getting entirely too much protein from shakes.


Easy way to add flavor to your chicken, use some garlic salt before you cook it. I drink two 72g shakes a day so don't feel like you're getting too much from them. It costs a lot of money to get it from other sources as well as time.

[Fran]

Man, no PS3 for me. Now I gotta get you a ring :o :cmad:

Don't bother with a PS3. :cmad:

Oh darn :oldrazz: PS3 sucks anyways :o

:up: That almost makes me forget you disliking the Fran Points system.

---

Felt great hitting the weights after 6 days away :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Easy way to add flavor to your chicken, use some garlic salt before you cook it. I drink two 72g shakes a day so don't feel like you're getting too much from them. It costs a lot of money to get it from other sources as well as time.

Heh, got tons of that in this house. :up:

[lollycop]

Don't bother with a PS3. :cmad:



:up: That almost makes me forget you disliking the Fran Points system.

---

Felt great hitting the weights after 6 days away :up:

Mr.Fran your the man for being on the microsoft side....

[Fran]

Seriously, if you want a $500 paperweight, get a PS3. All the good games are being delayed, and even the big one that just came out, "Lair", is average at best (I read a review).

For $349.99, you can't beat the 360 :up:

[AndThePickles]

Ring, here I come! :heart:

[Arkady Rossovich]

I once heard that its better to eat chicken rather than meat when your working out.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Seriously, if you want a $500 paperweight, get a PS3. All the good games are being delayed, and even the big one that just came out, "Lair", is average at best (I read a review).

For $349.99, you can't beat the 360 :up:


Or.........until the Elite drops to $400 :D :up:

[jaguarr]

WTF is this ****? I come back from a hellacious leg and shoulder workout that included a set of ATG widowmakers that almost made me throw up and I find people talking about video games in the fitness thread? *rolls up newspaper* Bad! Bad! No! :cmad:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

WTF is this ****? I come back from a hellacious leg and shoulder workout that included a set of ATG widowmakers that almost made me throw up and I find people talking about video games in the fitness thread? *rolls up newspaper* Bad! Bad! No! :cmad:

jag

Fran and ATP ran away with my joke :(

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Spoons started it/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\...............I swear! :(

[AndThePickles]

WTF is this ****? I come back from a hellacious leg and shoulder workout that included a set of ATG widowmakers that almost made me throw up and I find people talking about video games in the fitness thread? *rolls up newspaper* Bad! Bad! No! :cmad:

jag

No, no, what we're really talking about is proposals :heart:

[Colossal Spoons]

Sure, pin this one on me. Racism FTL! :cmad:

[jaguarr]

I once heard that its better to eat chicken rather than meat when your working out.

A good mix of red meat, poultry and fowl is best. I eat lean red meat (beef or buffalo) twice a week. I eat a lot of salmon, tilapia, turkey and chicken as well. All of it is either fresh or flash frozen and is organic whenever possible, cooked cleanly (usually baked or grilled) without a lot of extra crap added to it. :up:


Spoons, some good recipes for ya:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/rotw.htm

http://www.criticalbench.com/recipes.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=recipes

http://www.building-muscle101.com/body-building-recipes.html#Link1

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/healthy-recipes/


:up:

jag

[jaguarr]

No, no, what we're really talking about is proposals :heart:

Well, Spoons IS gainfully employed, now, so it's not like he can't afford a diamond or anything. :o


jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, Spoons IS gainfully employed, now, so it's not like he can't afford a diamond or anything. :o


jag


Compressed NO-Xplode = the best ring ever :o

[jaguarr]

Compressed NO-Xplode = IBS. :down

jag

[Fran]

WTF is this ****? I come back from a hellacious leg and shoulder workout that included a set of ATG widowmakers that almost made me throw up and I find people talking about video games in the fitness thread? *rolls up newspaper* Bad! Bad! No! :cmad:

jag

Spoons started it. I swear! :csad:

Fran and ATP ran away with my joke :(

Sure.

No, no, what we're really talking about is proposals :heart:

I was talking about the games. :o

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Sure, pin this one on me. Racism FTL! :cmad:


Of course I'm racist....I hate spoons! They're obsolete and have been since the spork.

[jaguarr]

The next one to mention video games or try to place blame on someone else for the previous discussion about them gets to go for a nice long run with Devil and Jack Rabbit. :cmad:

jag

[Fran]

:cmad:

[Super Kal]

i actually hit 250 today for about an hour :D, but it went back up to 253 an hour later :(:cmad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Didn't know Jack Rabbit was a runner

[jaguarr]

i actually hit 250 today for about an hour :D, but it went back up to 253 an hour later :(:cmad:

Welcome to the Wonderful World of Water Weight. Still, you're making progress. :up:

Didn't know Jack Rabbit was a runner

His Drill Instructor says he is. :o

jag

[mrvlknight21]

The next one to mention video games or try to place blame on someone else for the previous discussion about them gets to go for a nice long run with Devil and Jack Rabbit. :cmad:

jag

WTF? Ok, I would love some company!

[mrvlknight21]

A good mix of red meat, poultry and fowl is best. I eat lean red meat (beef or buffalo) twice a week. I eat a lot of salmon, tilapia, turkey and chicken as well. All of it is either fresh or flash frozen and is organic whenever possible, cooked cleanly (usually baked or grilled) without a lot of extra crap added to it. :up:


Spoons, some good recipes for ya:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/rotw.htm

http://www.criticalbench.com/recipes.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=recipes

http://www.building-muscle101.com/body-building-recipes.html#Link1

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/healthy-recipes/


:up:

jag


Hey Jag, have you had problems finding buffalo meat? I have read several things about its benefits (being lean and all), but have never seen any in the grocery stores here (I live in Georgia, if that makes a difference). Just wondering if you needed to request it, went to a special store or what.

[Super Kal]

yes... healthy recipes :up:

[jaguarr]

WTF? Ok, I would love some company!

I had to come up with something that I knew would be a strong deterrent to make the kids stop talking about video games. Threatening them with the belt doesn't work anymore (I suspect Spoons likes it, actually). I know they all hate to run, so...

Hey Jag, have you had problems finding buffalo meat? I have read several things about its benefits (being lean and all), but have never seen any in the grocery stores here (I live in Georgia, if that makes a difference). Just wondering if you needed to request it, went to a special store or what.

There's a guy in my area that raises them on grass, hormone and steroid free. He butchers and sells the meat to local restaurants, some of the grocery stores and to anyone who's willing to drive out to BFE where he lives to buy some from him. You can look around your area to see if there's anyone doing that same thing. The next thing would be like a specialty meats shop, but they might charge a premium. The most cost effective way would be to find a good source on the 'net and just have it shipped to you. It really is excellent meat. Lean and flavorful with a flavor that's reminiscent of beef only a bit richer. Elk is also another one that I enjoy quite a bit. Also very lean. You can find mail order outlets for that as well.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Thanks Jag...as usual, you can get anything on the net! Yes, I would like to try elk as well. I will shop around (online) since I am off today.

On another note, I passed the FBI's phase 1 special agent test. Pretty pumped about that!

[jaguarr]

Thanks Jag...as usual, you can get anything on the net! Yes, I would like to try elk as well. I will shop around (online) since I am off today.

You're in for a treat. Elk steak you can just cook right on the grill like you would any other steak. Buffalo you have to cook a little differently (but not much), so be sure to read up on how to properly prepare those meats. But damn are they good! :o


On another note, I passed the FBI's phase 1 special agent test. Pretty pumped about that!

Awesome! :up:

jag

[AndThePickles]

Thanks Jag...as usual, you can get anything on the net! Yes, I would like to try elk as well. I will shop around (online) since I am off today.

On another note, I passed the FBI's phase 1 special agent test. Pretty pumped about that!

Congrats!!

[terry78]

Thanks Jag...as usual, you can get anything on the net! Yes, I would like to try elk as well. I will shop around (online) since I am off today.

On another note, I passed the FBI's phase 1 special agent test. Pretty pumped about that!

Just don't narc us out when you become an agent.

[Fran]

Take out certain... Hypesters... for me. Thanks.

[mrvlknight21]

Just don't narc us out when you become an agent.

LOL!

[Super Kal]

I gained 2 pounds of water weight in 3 minutes just by drinking less than half a liter of water... how the f**k is that possible?

[Jack Rabbit]

ATTN: SHAWDOW BOXING, C SPOONS, JAG, OR WHOMEVER IT MAY CONCERN.

I'm looking to put on some muscle mass, and build up my shoulders and upper body more. I'm working out with a buddy who's very weight-savvy, so he's got me on a good all around program, but I want to start taking some supplements or protein as well. What's a good brand, how long before a body killin' should I take some?

Thank you, off to chow.

[Colossal Spoons]

I gained 2 pounds of water weight in 3 minutes just by drinking less than half a liter of water... how the f**k is that possible?

Man, you're still weighing yourself too often. Just do work and the numbers'll do their thing :up:

ATTN: SHAWDOW BOXING, C SPOONS, JAG, OR WHOMEVER IT MAY CONCERN.

I'm looking to put on some muscle mass, and build up my shoulders and upper body more. I'm working out with a buddy who's very weight-savvy, so he's got me on a good all around program, but I want to start taking some supplements or protein as well. What's a good brand, how long before a body killin' should I take some?

Thank you, off to chow.

For protein, Jag put me onto Optimum Nutrition and I've never looked back. 2 pricier brands that I'd also recommend are Isopure and Myoplex. :up:

[Super Kal]

don't worry, CS... I do do the work.

I just do it so much because it helps encourage me and boost my self esteem.

[Colossal Spoons]

don't worry, CS... I do do the work.

I just do it so much because it helps encourage me and boost my self esteem.

Right, but don't get too hung up on them. I weigh myself about once every 2 weeks. I'd go crazy if I weighed myself as often as you do. I don't wanna see small changes.

[Super Kal]

any change for me, small or large, helps me

[Colossal Spoons]

Hm, you're lucky. :D

[Colossal Spoons]

Bump

C'mon, who did work today?

[Super Kal]

i didn't today, but I sure will tomorrow... got to mow the lawn again

[jaguarr]

Bump

C'mon, who did work today?


Major back/bi's routine today. Topped out at 415 on rack deads. On track to finally get back to my 420 working weight record next week and then beyond. I've had a few stumbling blocks with things the last several weeks that have hindered my progress there, but seem to be back on track the last week or two. :up: Threw in some bonus chest and tri work after I completed all my back/bi work. I've been doing this extra supplemental arm work on bi's after my chest/tri workout and on tri's/chest after my back/bi workout the last couple of weeks and I'm seeing some nice results from it.

jag

[Ghostvirus]

Bump

C'mon, who did work today?

I did:

2 sets of pringle curls.
4 dropped remote squats
finished it off with adult entertainment cardio

[Colossal Spoons]

Major back/bi's routine today. Topped out at 415 on rack deads. On track to finally get back to my 420 working weight record next week and then beyond. I've had a few stumbling blocks with things the last several weeks that have hindered my progress there, but seem to be back on track the last week or two. :up: Threw in some bonus chest and tri work after I completed all my back/bi work. I've been doing this extra supplemental arm work on bi's after my chest/tri workout and on tri's/chest after my back/bi workout the last couple of weeks and I'm seeing some nice results from it.

jag

Where are you finding time for this? Haha



Good job guys.

Work. Done.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I once heard that someone who is in good physical shape can do more than 50 Push ups,and more than 70 sit ups.

[jaguarr]

Where are you finding time for this? Haha



Good job guys.

Work. Done.

I'm just fitting it in as some bonus work at the end of my routines, which typically run 45-60 minutes. Another 5 minutes worth of work never hurt anyone if you're staying within your anabolic time window. :up:

jag

[sassycat]

been adding the beach for my cardio for now, I do my strength trainning at the gym :up:

[mrvlknight21]

I will be working out in a few hours, doing a conditioning routine.
I am sure to get a run in tomorrow, but am dreading the heat. It has been as hot as 107 here this week and the heat index (because of the humidity) has made it feel like about 115-118.
I ran with 2 guys Tuesday night about midnight and it was still 93 degrees!

[mrvlknight21]

I once heard that someone who is in good physical shape can do more than 50 Push ups,and more than 70 sit ups.

I completely disagree, that is just a matter of opinion and does not determine that someone is in "good physical shape." 50 pushups and 70 situps (consecutively I assume) is not bad, but there are many other factors to determine being in "good physical shape."

[sassycat]

Because of my asmatha, I sometimes have to stop myself from going to the gym because of the humidity or smog. So I do pilates at home instead; Must be nice to jog at that time, my neighborhood is too crazy to do that :(

[mrvlknight21]

Because of my asmatha, I sometimes have to stop myself from going to the gym because of the humidity or smog. So I do pilates at home instead; Must be nice to jog at that time, my neighborhood is too crazy to do that :(

If you are referring to me, the midnight run took place at work.

[Super Kal]

mowing the lawn today helped me get down to 249 :D:up:

[mrvlknight21]

mowing the lawn today helped me get down to 249 :D:up:

come and do mine now!

[Super Kal]

lol, would love too... yeah it was just water weight, but damn, it felt so good to be that much

[Colossal Spoons]

What's your target weight?

[mrvlknight21]

keep up the hard work kakarot.

[Super Kal]

What's your target weight?
155-160 by next christmas

[Super Kal]

keep up the hard work kakarot.
oh you know it :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

155-160 by next christmas

Damn! I didn't know you wanted to drop that low.

[Super Kal]

right now, I'm obese, and it's not healthy... if I can't make it by 12.25.08, that's okay, I'll still keep going, but I made a goal 6 months ago, and I don't want to give it up.

the more weight I lose, the more self confidence and self esteem I gain in myself

[AndThePickles]

You may find that once you've lost the weight, you won't even need to go as low as your goal.

[Super Kal]

if it comes to that, then cool :up:

I just can't live like this anymore

[Alexia Dark]

I'm having alot of problems. I've been going to the gym 3-5 times a week for the past 3-4 weeks, and continuing my semi-healthy eating habits (high-protein, low-fat chicken, 12-grain bread, fruit smoothies, eating take-out far less than usual), and yet I seem to be gaining a little weight.

I'm really hoping that this is due to not enough calorie-burning cardio and that I'm simply gaining more muscle than I'm losing fat.

Could this be the case?

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, you summed up the 2 possibilities right there.

[mrvlknight21]

I'm having alot of problems. I've been going to the gym 3-5 times a week for the past 3-4 weeks, and continuing my semi-healthy eating habits (high-protein, low-fat chicken, 12-grain bread, fruit smoothies, eating take-out far less than usual), and yet I seem to be gaining a little weight.

I'm really hoping that this is due to not enough calorie-burning cardio and that I'm simply gaining more muscle than I'm losing fat.

Could this be the case?

This could be the case (gaining muscle), How much weight are we talking about? Newbies to working out often have some quick gains, but 3-4 weeks is a very short amount of time. You may also want to think about changing some apects of your workout at this point. What does your workout look like? Is it geared toward hypertrophy (gaining muscle size)?

[Alexia Dark]

Not really geared to massive muscle-building, but I do a fair amount of weight-training, usually with machines. I'd say I spent about a half-hour weight training with arm and leg machines, then half an hour of cardio, 2 or more times a week. I have a personal trainer, and I've come a long way in strength in just the past few weeks. I also have a back problem, and it has improved dramatically because of her.

[user123456789]

Not really geared to massive muscle-building, but I do a fair amount of weight-training, usually with machines. I'd say I spent about a half-hour weight training with arm and leg machines, then half an hour of cardio, 2 or more times a week. I have a personal trainer, and I've come a long way in strength in just the past few weeks. I also have a back problem, and it has improved dramatically because of her.
u will never 'massively build muscle'

never

[Alexia Dark]

*remembers She-Hulk-looking personal trainer at gym*

Not sure about that. Or did you mean me personally, because of the amount of time spent on weight-training?

[jaguarr]

Women who have built up massive amounts of muscle have gone out of their way to do it quite on purpose. Often times they've resorted to ahhh....a little anabolic help to do it. But the average woman working out with weights in the gym isn't going to turn into the She-Hulk. I know plenty women who lift heavy and hard and they still look very feminine and beautiful. They just happen to also be hard as nails and have very little bodyfat, not to mention being hella-strong to boot.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Woo, work was done today. My left wrist has been avtin up. I think a week off to heal is in order.

[mrvlknight21]

I thought boyscout also meant you wouldnt massively build muscle since you are using machines.
What Jag said definitely holds true, massive eating and possible chemical help are what causes women to bulk up.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I think he just means in massive amounts quickly.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I thought boyscout also meant you wouldnt massively build muscle since you are using machines.
What Jag said definitely holds true, massive eating and possible chemical help are what causes women to bulk up.

That and when they have a penis. Having a penis always makes women bulk up:up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Not sure how my lats, teres minor, and rhomboids are sore after a chest/bicep day :huh:

[jaguarr]

Not sure how my lats, teres minor, and rhomboids are sore after a chest/bicep day :huh:

Sounds like you're using your supporting muscles too much. Try backing the weight off and focus on form and the "squeeze" on the targeted muscle group.

Some serious chest/tri work got done today. Didn't feel like it, but made myself do it and really got into it once things got rolling. Threw in some preacher curls at the end for a little bonus work. :up:

jag

[Super Kal]

got some work done today, and I'm noticing a difference in muscle in my legs :up:

[Trainwreck2100]

I recently started using creatine, are there any side effects.

[AndThePickles]

I recently started using creatine, are there any side effects.

Next time I'd recommend finding these things out before you start taking it! I haven't heard about any side effects, but NEVER put something into your body before you know all the information.

[Trainwreck2100]

Next time I'd recommend finding these things out before you start taking it! I haven't heard about any side effects, but NEVER put something into your body before you know all the information.



I did enough research to know it wasn't that bad, but I just want to make sure it don't shrink my balls

[Colossal Spoons]

Sounds like you're using your supporting muscles too much. Try backing the weight off and focus on form and the "squeeze" on the targeted muscle group.

jag

That's what I was thinkin. :up:

I'm takin this week off(still doin cardio though) and next week I'm gonna go back to pull/pull push/push for a while.

[Colossal Spoons]

I recently started using creatine, are there any side effects.

You eating a lot of red meat?

It'll make you a bit bloated.

[Super Kal]

hopefully, I can drop another 24 pounds by this christmas :up:

[jaguarr]

I did enough research to know it wasn't that bad, but I just want to make sure it don't shrink my balls

If you weren't sure on that, then you didn't do enough research. Some of the supplements on the market can seriously muck with your hormonal profile and cause things like high blood pressure, asthma attacks, heart issues, and a whole lot more.

Creatine is fairly benign. Worst you'll get from it is stomach bloat, severe cramps and explosive diarrhea. Have fun.

jag

[Trainwreck2100]

Yeah, definitely getting bloated.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm gonna be buying BCAAs and Maxy Maize next week. Was looking at http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/bcaa.html and http://www.topchoicesupplements.com/Pure-Vitargo-Waxy-Maize-Starch-p/professional-supps-vitargo.htm.

Jag, you're the only other person I know that uses those products.

[jaguarr]

That's the Vitargo I use. Fruit punch is better than the orange version. :up: I prefer the Scivation Xtend to the bulk powdered BCAA's, though. Mostly because the bulk powdered BCAA's taste like chalk only nastier. The Xtend makes them palatable. :up: If you get Xtend, get the watermelon flavor, though. The grape flavor tastes like ass. Supposedly the lemonaide flavored one is pretty good, but I haven't tried it. But the bulk chalk flavored ones will work just as well for you. :D

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

That's the Vitargo I use. Fruit punch is better than the orange version. :up: I prefer the Scivation Xtend to the bulk powdered BCAA's, though. Mostly because the bulk powdered BCAA's taste like chalk only nastier. The Xtend makes them palatable. :up: If you get Xtend, get the watermelon flavor, though. The grape flavor tastes like ass. Supposedly the lemonaide flavored one is pretty good, but I haven't tried it. But the bulk chalk flavored ones will work just as well for you. :D

jag

Yeah, ON's BCAA's look like damn chalk :(

Once I get these products in my system for a few weeks I'm gonna give Superpump250 a go. I can't continue to badmouth NO2 products till I try one.

[jaguarr]

Be careful with NO2 products. If you have asthma or heart issues, they can give you troubles. Their main component is L-Arginine, which is known to inflame airways in asthma patients as well as capillaries in people with heart issues. Personally, I think that stuff is a waste of money, anyway.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I can get my hands on L-Arginine by itself. Think that'll be worth my time/money instead/also?

[Fran]

Okay, I drink soda. I know I know, it's bad, but I can't help it.

Is there anything I can do to help limit my cravings for it? Just drinking water/Propel ain't gonna help. :csad:

[jaguarr]

I can get my hands on L-Arginine by itself. Think that'll be worth my time/money instead/also?

If you're after "the pump" that L-Arginine or NO2 products supposedly give, there's a better, cheaper, safer way. Get some of those vegetarian cherry sublingual B-12 dots (Twin Labs makes some that are pretty cheap). Put two under your tongue and let them dissolve about 30 minutes before your workout. You'll get a nice little B-12 rush of energy and a hell of a pump. Try it. It works. :up:

jag

[jaguarr]

Okay, I drink soda. I know I know, it's bad, but I can't help it.

Is there anything I can do to help limit my cravings for it? Just drinking water/Propel ain't gonna help. :csad:

Try some Crystal Light powder. A lot of people have kicked the soda habit with that stuff. And it's pretty benign stuff, really. Cheap, too. Buy the powder and just mix a big jug of it and keep it in the fridge. :up:

jag

[Fran]

*Note to self: Clean fridge :o

[mrvlknight21]

Try some Crystal Light powder. A lot of people have kicked the soda habit with that stuff. And it's pretty benign stuff, really. Cheap, too. Buy the powder and just mix a big jug of it and keep it in the fridge. :up:

jag

I agree. There are many products out that you can mix with water to enhance the flavor and give variety.
I also like some forms of green tea as an alternative.

[AndThePickles]

The only way I was able to stop drinking soda was to pretty much stop cold turkey. It's an addiction to the caffeine and sugar. Substituting juice helps a little though.

[jaguarr]

I agree. There are many products out that you can mix with water to enhance the flavor and give variety.
I also like some forms of green tea as an alternative.

Yeah, green tea or even sunbrewed teas are great, too. Just have to watch the sugar intake and try to use honey, splenda or turbinado sugar sparingly to get it a little bit sweet if you can't stand to drink it plain.

The only way I was able to stop drinking soda was to pretty much stop cold turkey. It's an addiction to the caffeine and sugar. Substituting juice helps a little though.

Gotta watch the juice these days. They mix a lot of HFCS in with them these days. There's one for kids called Juicy Juice or something like that that is 100% pure juice with no additives, sugar or preservatives. That's a great way to go. :up:

For me, I found that my cup of tea in the mornings, the shakes I drink during the day and the 1-1.5 gallons of water I consume over the course of every day don't leave me much room for soda, nor do I crave them because I'm properly hydrated. :up:

jag

[AndThePickles]

Gotta watch the juice these days. They mix a lot of HFCS in with them these days. There's one for kids called Juicy Juice or something like that that is 100% pure juice with no additives, sugar or preservatives. That's a great way to go. :up:

jag

Well yeah, gotta read labels. Another good place to get them is health food stores....I got some orange peach mango awhile ago, so yummy :heart:

[terry78]

Okay, I drink soda. I know I know, it's bad, but I can't help it.

Is there anything I can do to help limit my cravings for it? Just drinking water/Propel ain't gonna help. :csad:

That carbonated flavored water. That's all I drink if I ever want some pop. Not soda, pop. :o

[kytrigger]

The only way I was able to stop drinking soda was to pretty much stop cold turkey. It's an addiction to the caffeine and sugar. Substituting juice helps a little though.
Basucally the same for me. I used to drink a lot of soda and now I only drink one during my cheat meal. I still love the stuff, but I kow that cutting out the amount of soda I was drinking is probably the biggest difference 0health wise) in my diet I did.

[terry78]

Basucally the same for me. I used to drink a lot of soda and now I only drink one during my cheat meal. I still love the stuff, but I kow that cutting out the amount of soda I was drinking is probably the biggest difference 0health wise) in my diet I did.

It's called pop, dude. How can you be from Chicago and refer to it as soda? Boooo.....:o

[jaguarr]

That carbonated flavored water. That's all I drink if I ever want some pop. Not soda, pop. :o

Be careful with the carbonation, terry. Carbonation in drinks is known to break down the esophogeal sphincter and the esophagus itself. It's also known to break down the stomach lining and break down calcium in the body, which can lead to problems with teeth, bones and osteoporosis. It's a cumulative effect, so the more of it you consume over extended periods, the more potential for adverse side effects. Now and again isn't going to hurt you much, but people who consume carbonated drinks day in and day out may experience issues from them down the road.

jag

[Super Kal]

that's why when I have that flavored carbonated water, like Sam's Choice Clear American, I shake it as much as possible

[kytrigger]

It's called pop, dude. How can you be from Chicago and refer to it as soda? Boooo.....:o
I'm not from Chicago, and actually haven't been there for a few months (have to change that location). Taht was one of the biggest pet peeves I had about Chiacago. Freaking pop. God I hate that word. I would usually just say "coke" or "sprite" just so I didn't have to get into that endless pop vs. soda debate.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ordered Sesamin and Extend(BCAAs) from Scivation today :up:

[jaguarr]

Sesamin is crap. It can up your estrogen profile, too. :down

I feel like a truck ran over me. I did some serious back work today and now I hurt all over. LOL! :D

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I'll get the WMS the next time I get paid.

I'll be hittin the gym after takin the last 6 days off. Can't wait.

[terry78]

Damn Jag, is there anything out there that is 100% healthy for us? It's like the saying "everything causes cancer."

[jaguarr]

Damn Jag, is there anything out there that is 100% healthy for us? It's like the saying "everything causes cancer."

Everything has it's pros and cons. Drink way too much water and you can deplete your electrolytes out and make yourself sick or even get water poisoning and die. Eat too much red meat and it can cause coronary and artery disease. Eat too many vegetables and you can give yourself digestive issues or become malnourished if that's all you're living on. It's about balance and learning what things potentially can do to your body before you ingest them. That's something most people just don't do, happily putting any old thing in their body without knowing the risks or potential side effects.

When we start dabbling with man made or altered substances, that is especially true. Processing and/or addition of chemicals complicates matters significantly. It can severely deplete the nutritional value of foods and introduce additional factors into the pro/con pool. Genetically engineered vegetables? Crops that have had chemical fertilizers and pesticides sprayed on them? Livestock or poultry that have been shot up with antibiotics or steroids or kept in highly stressful, unclean conditions? All those things can effect the person ingesting the products that come from those sources, often for the worse.

When we start dabbling with things that are almost completely chemically derived, which is pretty much what the entire supplement industry peddles, then we have to be doubly careful. A lot of these products can and will interact with your endocrine system and cause hormonal impact. Some do it purposefully in the never ending quest for greater anabolic activity, but some things (like Sesamin) never intended for hormonal profile impact to be a side effect but it is. What's interesting is that it's a hell of a lot easier to directly or indirectly impact the estrogen levels than it is the testosterone levels. There are a ton of off-the-shelf products on the supplement market that claim they will boost testosterone levels. The reality is that maybe a handful of them will do so, but it will be minimal and they'll most likely raise your estrogen levels as well. The only compounds that truly will raise your test significantly are injecting testosterone itself or using anabolic steroids to boost your test profile, which has it's own set of risks and health impacts. Even the so called "pro-hormones" on the market, precursors to testosterone and other anabolic hormones, are largely absolute crap that either lose all their potential in the conversion process in the body, just dissipate through the system completely without doing anything or need to be taken in such massive quantities to be even slightly effedctive that it's cost and health prohibitive.

So, when I say "there are no shortcuts" all the time, I really mean it. I also mean it when I say "know what you're putting in your body". It goes far beyond "that's not good for you" and into "that could cause you some serious health problems you never wanted".

jag

[Super Kal]

what kind of cardio can you do when you have a big blister on your heel?

[Colossal Spoons]

You could get a wheelchair and do some laps in it :up:


While I may be joking, wheeling yourself around in a wheelchair is an incredibly strenuous activity if you're able-bodied and not used to being in one. We used to have wheelchair races in grade school every so often and boy did it drain you :D

[nosebleed.]

You could get a wheelchair and do some laps in it :up:

that would actually be really hard...your arms would feel like nose snot afterwards.

[doc ock rules!]

Had to take a three week break from my routine because of work. I'm starting up again tomorrow after I come home from school. I'm aiming to be sore. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

that would actually be really hard...your arms would feel like nose snot afterwards.

Paraplegics have some really defined biceps and forearms.

[ShadowBoxing]

I'd say something interesting and add to the discussion, but my body is supremely tired at the moment.

[Colossal Spoons]

Good!

[ShadowBoxing]

It's one part from doing my explosive sprint training outside and one part staying up until 5 am at some chicks party.

[ShadowBoxing]

A public service announcement
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[jaguarr]

Had a nice couple of days off to rest and recuperate. Hitting the iron tonight like Foreman beating on Walheim (look it up) with some nasty chest/tri's work planned. :up:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

I feel like we should do a service to Hype, and try to make muscles skinny.

[Colossal Spoons]

Had an interesting chest/bi workout tonight. I concentrated more on my inner chest(I'll be doing that for a while) and took some strain off my shoulders(as I was doing before, BAD). My triceps were burning more than usual and my chest was def more fatigued. I'm not particularly sore now but I'm sure I'll feel it tomorrow. Aside from cutting like I am now, working on my man-cleavage is a side project of mine :up:

[Super Kal]

I'm having a hard time breaking the X0's... why is it so damn tough?

[ShadowBoxing]

I'm having a hard time breaking the X0's... why is it so damn tough?hmmmmm:huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

Hugs and kisses, duh!

[Super Kal]

hmmmmm:huh:
70, 60, 50... that's what I meant.

it's so damn hard for me to get past those point in my weight for some reason, and I don't know why

[ShadowBoxing]

70, 60, 50... that's what I meant.

it's so damn hard for me to get past those point in my weight for some reason, and I don't know why
What exercises.

[Super Kal]

well, there's always my exercise bike and mowing, but other than that, I don't know what else to do... any tips?

[ShadowBoxing]

well, there's always my exercise bike and mowing, but other than that, I don't know what else to do... any tips?
No, what exercises are you having trouble breaking these plateau's?

[Super Kal]

I'm confused...

[ShadowBoxing]

I'm confused...
I am too.

You just said how do you break the X0's, which indicated to me you were talking about weight (40, 50, 60lbs) that you were having trouble breaking in exercises. These are called plateau's (like that of a mountain), or some weight that you cannot break through (either to get more reps or more weight).

I wanted to know what exercises you were experiencing a plateau on.

[Badger]

I think he's talking about his actual weight, like losing that amount...

maybe. :huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

Ooooh

[Super Kal]

lol, no, I'm having trouble breaking the X0's in weight... the 70's, 60's, etc. are a major problem for me...


I've been stuck on 250 for it seems like 2 weks

[ShadowBoxing]

I think he's talking about his actual weight, like losing that amount...

maybe. :huh:Maybe. I hope he isn't 70, 60 or 50 lbs.

[ShadowBoxing]

lol, no, I'm having trouble breaking the X0's in weight... the 70's, 60's, etc. are a major problem for me...


I've been stuck on 250 for it seems like 2 weks
So you weigh 250 pounds and you're trying to lose it, is that it? Well aside from exercising, what are you doing with diet? What's the exercise schedule like?

[Super Kal]

I'm doing my bets to keep inside my 2000 calorie diet... just getting what we can afford.

my exercise schedule for a long while has been 30 minutes in the early afternoon, and another 30 minutes 5 hours later... but recently, I've been wanting to change it to finishing it all in the morning so I don't have to deal with it for the rest of the day

[ShadowBoxing]

I'm doing my bets to keep inside my 2000 calorie diet... just getting what we can afford.
Well it depends on what your goal is. If your goal is to not be overweight, then simply restricting your calorie intake and training 3 days a week on cardio, 3 on weights (basic routine) will yield pretty good results.

If you want that sleek, supermodel body, then you're going to have to go about things a little more scientifically.

[Badger]

Just started make on the exercise and diet, mostly working on diet right now.

So maybe this will help you kak, basically what I'm doing is eating all fresh foods (no bags or cans) and only drinking water. I basic meal is some sort of veggie and chicken or fish, and snack on celery and/or baby carrots. I haven't really hit the gym yet; just push-ups, crunches, and I have a heavy bag. And, no cardio at the moment, because it slows your metabolism (so I read).

So far great results, about 3 weeks in.

[ShadowBoxing]

my exercise schedule for a long while has been 30 minutes in the early afternoon, and another 30 minutes 5 hours later... but recently, I've been wanting to change it to finishing it all in the morning so I don't have to deal with it for the rest of the day
Training in the morning and again in the afternoon is for those of us on steroids. Just do one 45-60 minute work out 4-5 times a week. Make sure to include both cardio and resistance training. Vary it up too, make sure you aren't doing the same old thing everyday. Speed training, interval sprints are an excellent way to promote fat burn. Also train with intensity. Don't just half ass a 30 minute routine, not saying you are, but often people who don't see results don't see them because they don't put enough effort in outside of showing up.