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raybia
02-26-2008, 02:05 PM
And I don't know where you live but I can be DAMN sure that it's way too late in the day for you to have not eaten anything. Eat every two hours or we'll send A-nus to come live with you! :cmad:

jag

No! Anything but that.

I usually try to eat breakfast by 9am and lunch around 1pm. By schedule is off today.

jaguarr
02-26-2008, 02:06 PM
Seriously, guys....breakfast is the most important meal of the day. When you wake up after sleeping all night, your body has gone catabolic which means it's starving and using your muscle to feed itself, which is not a good thing regardless of your fitness or weight goals. Your metabolism is also at nearly a dead stop when you first wake up in the morning. Eating a good breakfast helps remedy that and keeps your metabolism stoked up and gives your body the fuel it's looking for. You have all day to burn off a good sized breakfast, too, which is not the case with your other meals throughout the day. EAT BREAKFAST!

jag

The Joker_1000
02-26-2008, 02:17 PM
They're never too young to introduce the concept, even if they won't hear it for another ten years. :)

jag

I don't think I'll eve stop eating junk food for good but I will cut out a lot of it from time to time.

Colossal Spoons
02-26-2008, 02:17 PM
I don't think I'll eve stop eating junk food for good but I will cut out a lot of it from time to time.

EVER?

The Joker_1000
02-26-2008, 02:18 PM
Seriously, guys....breakfast is the most important meal of the day. When you wake up after sleeping all night, your body has gone catabolic which means it's starving and using your muscle to feed itself, which is not a good thing regardless of your fitness or weight goals. Your metabolism is also at nearly a dead stop when you first wake up in the morning. Eating a good breakfast helps remedy that and keeps your metabolism stoked up and gives your body the fuel it's looking for. You have all day to burn off a good sized breakfast, too, which is not the case with your other meals throughout the day. EAT BREAKFAST!

jag

If I eat cereal for breakfast, is that good enough?

The Joker_1000
02-26-2008, 02:20 PM
EVER?


I love junk food. I'm not addicted to it & I know the risks of eating it but I don't see the point in forcing myself to eat a bunch off food I don't want to eat. I've seen people who tell me what they eat daily & frankly, I don't care for eating something I don't like.

Colossal Spoons
02-26-2008, 02:20 PM
If I eat cereal for breakfast, is that good enough?

Guess the answer to that one? Haha

jaguarr
02-26-2008, 02:21 PM
Guess the answer to that one? Haha

;) :up:

jag

Colossal Spoons
02-26-2008, 02:23 PM
I love junk food. I'm not addicted to it & I know the risks of eating it but I don't see the point in forcing myself to eat a bunch off food I don't want to eat. I've seen people who tell me what they eat daily & frankly, I don't care for eating something I don't like.

I see what you mean. I've never had any healthy meal that came close to the taste of a cheesesteak or a pizza w/ all my favorite toppings. But in the healthy food's defense, I haven't had the opportunity to cook it more often. I look forward to the time when I can prepare healthy food in a variety of ways.

Also, it's about willpower. Passing up a burrito for a chicken breast, brown rice, and broccoli gives me a sense of accomplishment knowing what I could have put into my body :up:

raybia
02-26-2008, 02:23 PM
Seriously, guys....breakfast is the most important meal of the day. When you wake up after sleeping all night, your body has gone catabolic which means it's starving and using your muscle to feed itself, which is not a good thing regardless of your fitness or weight goals. Your metabolism is also at nearly a dead stop when you first wake up in the morning. Eating a good breakfast helps remedy that and keeps your metabolism stoked up and gives your body the fuel it's looking for. You have all day to burn off a good sized breakfast, too, which is not the case with your other meals throughout the day. EAT BREAKFAST!

jag

With that said, should we make it a point of giving ourselves both a carb and protein boost in the morning. Can I consume a protein shake upon waking?

jaguarr
02-26-2008, 02:24 PM
Have a cheat meal once a week or even once a month. Not a cheat DAY or a cheat WEEK....just one meal. Then go back to eating healthy. :up:

jag

raybia
02-26-2008, 02:25 PM
If I eat cereal for breakfast, is that good enough?

Depends on the cereal. If its oatmeal then :yay:

If not then :csad:

jaguarr
02-26-2008, 02:26 PM
With that said, should we make it a point of giving ourselves both a carb and protein boost in the morning. Can I consume a protein shake upon waking?

Absolutely. I have a cup of oatmeal (prior to cooking) a 50 gram protein when shake and some fresh fruit like a banana or some blueberries nearly every morning. :up: Sometimes I'll shake it up and have some eggs with my oatmeal instead, but I'm always gearing for that mix of protein, COMPLEX carbs and healthy fats with each and every meal whenever possible.

jag

raybia
02-26-2008, 02:26 PM
Have a cheat meal once a week or even once a month. Not a cheat DAY or a cheat WEEK....just one meal. Then go back to eating healthy. :up:

jag

That were I've gone wrong. I would give myself a cheat day every 7 to 11 days then I felt like crap the next day with a huge craving for more junk.

The Joker_1000
02-26-2008, 02:27 PM
I see what you mean. I've never had any healthy meal that came close to the taste of a cheesesteak or a pizza w/ all my favorite toppings. But in the healthy food's defense, I haven't had the opportunity to cook it more often. I look forward to the time when I can prepare healthy food in a variety of ways.

Also, it's about willpower. Passing up a burrito for a chicken breast, brown rice, and broccoli gives me a sense of accomplishment knowing what I could have put into my body :up:

I have willpower. I can go without eating chips, ice cream or cookies. Once, I went a whole week without eating ice cream & I thought that I really accomplished something. I showed myself that I could go without junk food & I felt great. March will be the month I don't really eat any junk food unless it's fast food but I doubt we'll be getting too much fast food next month.

Colossal Spoons
02-26-2008, 02:27 PM
Have a cheat meal once a week or even once a month. Not a cheat DAY or a cheat WEEK....just one meal. Then go back to eating healthy. :up:

jag

You enjoy it so much more when it's only once a week or month too. As if I needed further incentive to eat a cheesesteak in bliss.

The Joker_1000
02-26-2008, 02:29 PM
Depends on the cereal. If its oatmeal then :yay:

If not then :csad:

I meant cereal with milk, I don't like oatmeal.

The Joker_1000
02-26-2008, 04:50 PM
I started working out but I feel kind of burnt out. I was going to work on my chest & legs today but I'll just wait until tomorrow, I'm too burnt out today from yesterday's work out to work out today.

mrvlknight21
02-26-2008, 04:53 PM
I see what you mean. I've never had any healthy meal that came close to the taste of a cheesesteak or a pizza w/ all my favorite toppings. But in the healthy food's defense, I haven't had the opportunity to cook it more often. I look forward to the time when I can prepare healthy food in a variety of ways.

Also, it's about willpower. Passing up a burrito for a chicken breast, brown rice, and broccoli gives me a sense of accomplishment knowing what I could have put into my body :up:

See, I am kind of the opposite. To me, nothing beats a Foreman grilled chicken breast and can of green beans. I dont really like pizza, wings, cheesesteak and the like. I am not saying I never eat them, but I much prefer the taste of grilled chicken, tuna, etc.
I do ave a sweet tooth however and almost expect dessert after a meal...so I guess everyone has their demons to face.

Superman79
02-26-2008, 04:53 PM
I started working out but I feel kind of burnt out. I was going to work on my chest & legs today but I'll just wait until tomorrow, I'm too burnt out today from yesterday's work out to work out today.


You gotta push through that and DO WORK!!


notjag

The Joker_1000
02-26-2008, 04:56 PM
I'm just too tired & I don't have enough energy. I don't ever force myself to work out.

jaguarr
02-26-2008, 05:02 PM
I started working out but I feel kind of burnt out. I was going to work on my chest & legs today but I'll just wait until tomorrow, I'm too burnt out today from yesterday's work out to work out today.

Take a look at your diet, whether you're getting enough sleep or not, and whether you might be training too hard to work out two days in a row if this is a consistent issue for you.

jag

The Joker_1000
02-26-2008, 05:12 PM
I know what's the problem, I didn't get enough sleep.

Colossal Spoons
02-26-2008, 09:09 PM
See, I am kind of the opposite. To me, nothing beats a Foreman grilled chicken breast and can of green beans. I dont really like pizza, wings, cheesesteak and the like. I am not saying I never eat them, but I much prefer the taste of grilled chicken, tuna, etc.
I do ave a sweet tooth however and almost expect dessert after a meal...so I guess everyone has their demons to face.

Yeah, see I have no sweet tooth at all haha.

AndThePickles
02-26-2008, 09:10 PM
Ha, I love cheeseteaks AND I have a sweet tooth :csad:

jaguarr
02-26-2008, 09:11 PM
Yeah, see I have no sweet tooth at all haha.

My only real downfall is a couple pieces of Dove dark chocolate now and again and maybe a Guinness every once in awhile.

Ran a few sets of ATG Widowmaker squats with some lighter weight tonight and took it easy on my back as it's still a bit sore from whatever I did to it last week. Everything seems to be popped back in place, but the soreness lingers a tad. Felt nice and worked some kinks out. Ran the rest of my routine with a little lighter weight and higher reps as well. Left thumb is still giving me some issues. Not sure what's going on there. I may have to just saw it off.

jag

Colossal Spoons
02-26-2008, 09:19 PM
Who needs left thumbs? Pssh

NickSox
02-26-2008, 09:36 PM
My only real downfall is a couple pieces of Dove dark chocolate now and again and maybe a Guinness every once in awhile.

Ran a few sets of ATG Widowmaker squats with some lighter weight tonight and took it easy on my back as it's still a bit sore from whatever I did to it last week. Everything seems to be popped back in place, but the soreness lingers a tad. Felt nice and worked some kinks out. Ran the rest of my routine with a little lighter weight and higher reps as well. Left thumb is still giving me some issues. Not sure what's going on there. I may have to just saw it off.

jag

I have issues with my right thumb when I run handheld camera at sporting events. After having it on my shoulder for a while and my hand up at the zoom my thumb will start to tingle and go numb. So I shake my arm out when I'm not live and go back to work!

The Joker_1000
02-26-2008, 09:58 PM
My fingers used to tingle a lot but I don't know why. I'd be eating & they'd start tingling, it hasn't happened in a good while though.

raybia
02-27-2008, 10:24 AM
Well I woke up this morning and immediately drank a whey shake.


I purchased a container of Gold Standard Natural 100% Whey, Natural Chocolate yesterday. Its really really tasty! I think the best I've had.

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 10:35 AM
Good stuff man!

I just had mine as well. Ran out of ON, so I used Musclemilk

raybia
02-27-2008, 10:37 AM
Good stuff man!

I just had mine as well. Ran out of ON, so I used Musclemilk

Muscle milk isn't bad either. I little too sweet for me but you get use to it.

jaguarr
02-27-2008, 10:39 AM
Well I woke up this morning and immediately drank a whey shake.


I purchased a container of Gold Standard Natural 100% Whey, Natural Chocolate yesterday. Its really really tasty! I think the best I've had.

Excellent. Now eat a bowl of oatmeal to go with it. Extreme Milk Chocolate is my favorite flavor of ON Whey, by the way.

Good stuff man!

I just had mine as well. Ran out of ON, so I used Musclemilk

Watch out for the extra fat content in Muscle Milk.

jag

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 10:39 AM
I don't like how little protein there is per scoop. 18g? That's crap.

I've been meaning to give BSN's Syntha-6 a try. It's the closest thing to ON I've seen :up:

Savage
02-27-2008, 10:40 AM
Well the bodyfat has been dropping hard but I've been keeping the muscle up. I had a 37 inch waist when I first checked (sometime in january) and I checked this morning and at I'm 33 but actually 182 lbs. :woot: Much better than 37 and 195 I say, as much as I liked that number. Don't know what bodyfat percentage that puts me at but when does the 6 pack really start showing?

JStorm
02-27-2008, 10:43 AM
Home gym will be fully operational by the end of Spring Break.


Pics of the before Storm will be sent to those I love -and want to show progress.

Goals - leaner and meaner within six months.

Also - my mileage is bettering every day. Devil and I need to run a 5k by the end of '08.

NickSox
02-27-2008, 01:01 PM
I don't like how little protein there is per scoop. 18g? That's crap.

I've been meaning to give BSN's Syntha-6 a try. It's the closest thing to ON I've seen :up:

I've been taking EAS whey which has 23g per scoop so I usually double up on it. As a matter of fact I just did after a great workout.

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 02:34 PM
^I used to be a huge Myoplex fan back when I had $14 to pay for 4 RTD shakes lol

NickSox
02-27-2008, 02:38 PM
^I used to be a huge Myoplex fan back when I had $14 to pay for 4 RTD shakes lol

Once I finish up this EAS im gonna switch to Gold Standard which seems to be the way to go from talkin to you guys

jaguarr
02-27-2008, 02:39 PM
Myoplex is overpriced. Only thing I'd pay a premium for is Isopure and even that's probably not worth it unless you get it off of eBay.

jag

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 02:41 PM
Yeah Isopure is some great stuff

Sun_Down
02-27-2008, 03:44 PM
I hate being sick. I haven't been to the gym in almost two weeks. :down:

Superman79
02-27-2008, 04:46 PM
Excellent. Now eat a bowl of oatmeal to go with it. Extreme Milk Chocolate is my favorite flavor of ON Whey, by the way.

I accidentally picked up Double Rich chocolate...its not really that great which surprised me...its a little bitter.

I love teh fruit punch flavor myself :D

The Joker_1000
02-27-2008, 04:50 PM
I'm about to get a work out in a few minutes.

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 05:29 PM
I accidentally picked up Double Rich chocolate...its not really that great which surprised me...its a little bitter.

I love teh fruit punch flavor myself :D

Double Rich isn't bad. Try the vanilla ice cream sometime :dry:

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 05:32 PM
I dunno why people keep doing this to me in the gym(it's not the first time and it won't be the last):

I was doing bicep curls just now and you know, I'm takin it easy; watchin my form and what not. This guy, much bigger and older than me practically runs over beside me, grabs dumbells 3lbs heavier than mine and knocks out 1 set with the most abysmal form EVER(you'd have thought it was a lat exercise). I looked over at him and he could not look more smug. Heh, I wish I understood the need to do this. :down:

The Joker_1000
02-27-2008, 05:37 PM
They want to make you think they are stronger but you could've taken that guy no sweat. If someone mugged me like that....well, you can pretty much guess what I would've done.

Btw, I'm working out right now but the only reason I'm posting is because I'm taking about two minutes off & then it's back to lifting.

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 05:39 PM
I think it's funny. I'm waiting for somebody to hurt themselves during this pissing contest that I never signed up for haha.

WTFimVENOM
02-27-2008, 05:43 PM
I really need to build some muscle mass again, I was in the hospital for two weeks without eating or moving and I ended up losing around 30lbs. Since then my arms have felt ridiculously twiggy...

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 05:44 PM
Heavy lifting, here you come!

The Joker_1000
02-27-2008, 05:57 PM
I think it's funny. I'm waiting for somebody to hurt themselves during this pissing contest that I never signed up for haha.

That'd be pretty funny. Btw, just got done working the arms & chest, five sets of every exercise that I did from my routine. I would've did ten but I'd have been half assing it & I don't like to half ass do exercises.

mrvlknight21
02-27-2008, 07:28 PM
Home gym will be fully operational by the end of Spring Break.


Pics of the before Storm will be sent to those I love -and want to show progress.

Goals - leaner and meaner within six months.

Also - my mileage is bettering every day. Devil and I need to run a 5k by the end of '08.

Im with you dog.

Pics of the new power rack probably next week.

AndThePickles
02-27-2008, 08:20 PM
I hate people who go to the gym and just stand around. The last 30 mins of my workout, a really tall guy (who is a friendly acquaintance but I never remember his name) who I see often in the gym came in, but tonight he had two groupies with him. Both girls looked like they had just gotten their hair pressed, had on hoop earrings, tight pants, and lace tank tops with a regular bra. Both made a big show doing these arm-swinging stretches for like, 5 seconds. Ten minutes later, they both did about 4 jumping jacks each. The rest of the time, they all stood around talking and the girls giggled. They also sat on machines and took up space. People even had to come over and ask if they were going to use them, because of course other people actually wanted to work out.

:down :down

terry78
02-27-2008, 08:25 PM
^I hate to bust balls, but a lot of chicks just come to the gym to look good and socialize.

AndThePickles
02-27-2008, 08:27 PM
^I hate to bust balls, but a lot of chicks just come to the gym to look good and socialize.

I'm aware of that. I want to punch them in the ovaries :cmad: I hate them, and I hate the fatties that hog all the medicine balls for crunches when they need to be doing more cardio.

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 08:27 PM
Damn, that sucks :down:

jimmy
02-27-2008, 08:58 PM
d00ds: what's a good whey protein supplement?

Thanks.

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 09:05 PM
http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/shop/shopimages/products/normal/optimum-100-whey-gold-5lb.jpg

For you, Yim Yim

The Joker_1000
02-27-2008, 09:10 PM
I'm aware of that. I want to punch them in the ovaries :cmad: I hate them, and I hate the fatties that hog all the medicine balls for crunches when they need to be doing more cardio.

I hate how most women think that dieting alone will get them to be slimmer. Once they realize that actual exercise plus a good diet helps lose weight, the better it'll go for them.

jimmy
02-27-2008, 09:27 PM
http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/shop/shopimages/products/normal/optimum-100-whey-gold-5lb.jpg

For you, Yim Yim

Thanks, thanks.

Where do I get this? GNC or what?

Sun_Down
02-27-2008, 09:29 PM
Can't wait to get back in the gym when I'm healthy. I'm finally done bulking, so I can ramp up my cardio and do some lower weight work. :up:

Colossal Spoons
02-27-2008, 09:37 PM
Thanks, thanks.

Where do I get this? GNC or what?

Yeah, sure :up:

It'd be cheaper online though

jaguarr
02-27-2008, 09:42 PM
Im with you dog.

Pics of the new power rack probably next week.

Lookin' forward to the pics of the power rack. Have you used it, yet?

I hate people who go to the gym and just stand around. The last 30 mins of my workout, a really tall guy (who is a friendly acquaintance but I never remember his name) who I see often in the gym came in, but tonight he had two groupies with him. Both girls looked like they had just gotten their hair pressed, had on hoop earrings, tight pants, and lace tank tops with a regular bra. Both made a big show doing these arm-swinging stretches for like, 5 seconds. Ten minutes later, they both did about 4 jumping jacks each. The rest of the time, they all stood around talking and the girls giggled. They also sat on machines and took up space. People even had to come over and ask if they were going to use them, because of course other people actually wanted to work out.

:down :down

Don't you know that the gym is all about S&M? (Standing & Modeling)

Thanks, thanks.

Where do I get this? GNC or what?

bodybuilding.com :up:

jag

jimmy
02-27-2008, 10:46 PM
Yeah, sure :up:

It'd be cheaper online though



bodybuilding.com :up:

jag

Thanks.

jimmy
02-27-2008, 10:48 PM
One more question:

What flavor do you guys recommend? :huh:

jaguarr
02-27-2008, 11:37 PM
One more question:

What flavor do you guys recommend? :huh:

Extreme Milk Chocolate is my favorite. :up:

jag

user123456789
02-27-2008, 11:45 PM
www.nutraplanet.com
www.dpsnutrition.com

both much cheaper than bb.com

user123456789
02-27-2008, 11:52 PM
Seriously, guys....breakfast is the most important meal of the day. When you wake up after sleeping all night, your body has gone catabolic which means it's starving and using your muscle to feed itself, which is not a good thing regardless of your fitness or weight goals. Your metabolism is also at nearly a dead stop when you first wake up in the morning. Eating a good breakfast helps remedy that and keeps your metabolism stoked up and gives your body the fuel it's looking for. You have all day to burn off a good sized breakfast, too, which is not the case with your other meals throughout the day. EAT BREAKFAST!

jag
ur bedtime meal should be more than sufficient at keeping ur body anabolic for your ~8h of sleep

jaguarr
02-27-2008, 11:53 PM
www.nutraplanet.com (http://www.nutraplanet.com)
www.dpsnutrition.com (http://www.dpsnutrition.com)

both much cheaper than bb.com

supplementwarehouse.com is also another good one. But....none of the other sites I've ordered from, including that one and dpsnutrition had the customer service bb.com has. When I order from bb.com, I get my order within two days. The other two sites have taken up to two weeks to get me my order before. And dpsnutrition screwed up my order the last time I ordered from them and they were jackasses about getting it rectified. YMMV.

jag

jaguarr
02-27-2008, 11:54 PM
ur bedtime meal should be more than sufficient at keeping ur body anabolic for your ~8h of sleep

Excellent, particularly if you're eating some sort of casein protein. Now ask how many of these guys here are eating a meal before bedtime. (That's more of an advanced/hardcore bodybuilder thing). ;)

jag

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:09 AM
Jag-No I havent even set it up. I have 2 refrigerators on the porch (how redneck, right?) So, I have to get those hauled off first and have been busy with child porn, theft, corrupt politicians and the like, today we have a cyber crime class with the FBI. And the places that will take them only take donations from 8-5. I will probably have it set up this weekend.

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 10:24 AM
Excellent, particularly if you're eating some sort of casein protein. Now ask how many of these guys here are eating a meal before bedtime. (That's more of an advanced/hardcore bodybuilder thing). ;)

jag

Thought I would flesh this out a little bit, in case anyone was wondering about what boyscouT and I were referring to. A lot of dedicated bodybuilders ingest some sort of casein protein (instant mix shake, cottage cheese, etc.) before bed with the intent that it will help prevent them from going catabolic while they are sleeping since it's a slower digesting protein and will feed the muscles longer. The reality of it is that a cup of cottage cheese will take 90-120 minutes to digest and then continue to feed the muscle for another 60-90 minutes afterwards, so you you can pull 3-3.5 hours of nutrition to the muscles with this practice. But, if you sleep 7-8 hours a night like most people, your body is still fasting and going into a catabolic state; maybe just not for as long as it would without the casein before bed. Most of the TRULY hardcore bodybuilders I know that are training for shows get up every 2-3 hours during the night to have a meal of some sort as that's really the only way to keep your body anabolic at all times.

Jag-No I havent even set it up. I have 2 refrigerators on the porch (how redneck, right?) So, I have to get those hauled off first and have been busy with child porn, theft, corrupt politicians and the like, today we have a cyber crime class with the FBI. And the places that will take them only take donations from 8-5. I will probably have it set up this weekend.

Shoot all child pornographers and kiddie fiddlers on sight. :up:

jag

Superman79
02-28-2008, 10:30 AM
Shoot all child pornographers and kiddie fiddlers on sight. :up:

jag

Amen. Just make sure you torture them first (I'm a fan of shooting out their elbows and knee caps).

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 10:33 AM
Amen. Just make sure you torture them first (I'm a fan of shooting out their elbows and knee caps).

Left to my own devices I would just stab them in the throat with a shard of broken window-pane until they bled out. It's a good stress reliever and a horrific way for a dirty child molester to die because it supposedly hurts like a mofo and makes you feel like you are drowning, so everyone wins!

jag

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 10:44 AM
Amen. Just make sure you torture them first (I'm a fan of shooting out their elbows and knee caps).

Shooting them is kind of boring dont you think? How about golf clubs to the ribs a few times, cutting the balls off with a dull blade, gouging eyes out and cutting fingers off with a cigar cutter first? Finish it off with a curb smile ala American History X.

Superman79
02-28-2008, 10:52 AM
Left to my own devices I would just stab them in the throat with a shard of broken window-pane until they bled out. It's a good stress reliever and a horrific way for a dirty child molester to die because it supposedly hurts like a mofo and makes you feel like you are drowning, so everyone wins!

jag

I love where your head is at ;)

enterthemadness
02-28-2008, 11:08 AM
I hate people who go to the gym and just stand around. The last 30 mins of my workout, a really tall guy (who is a friendly acquaintance but I never remember his name) who I see often in the gym came in, but tonight he had two groupies with him. Both girls looked like they had just gotten their hair pressed, had on hoop earrings, tight pants, and lace tank tops with a regular bra. Both made a big show doing these arm-swinging stretches for like, 5 seconds. Ten minutes later, they both did about 4 jumping jacks each. The rest of the time, they all stood around talking and the girls giggled. They also sat on machines and took up space. People even had to come over and ask if they were going to use them, because of course other people actually wanted to work out.

:down :down

I hate when people do that.

The Joker_1000
02-28-2008, 02:29 PM
Well, today is my rest day & after Friday is over I officially start my "diet". I won't be eating any type of chips or junk food.

jimmy
02-28-2008, 02:37 PM
Extreme Milk Chocolate is my favorite. :up:

jag

I'm sorry, but I hate chocolate. :(

Have you tried any other flavors?

Superman79
02-28-2008, 02:42 PM
I'm sorry, but I hate chocolate. :(

Have you tried any other flavors?

fruit punch flavor...tastes just like Kool-Aid :up:

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 02:49 PM
Thought I would flesh this out a little bit, in case anyone was wondering about what boyscouT and I were referring to. A lot of dedicated bodybuilders ingest some sort of casein protein (instant mix shake, cottage cheese, etc.) before bed with the intent that it will help prevent them from going catabolic while they are sleeping since it's a slower digesting protein and will feed the muscles longer. The reality of it is that a cup of cottage cheese will take 90-120 minutes to digest and then continue to feed the muscle for another 60-90 minutes afterwards, so you you can pull 3-3.5 hours of nutrition to the muscles with this practice. But, if you sleep 7-8 hours a night like most people, your body is still fasting and going into a catabolic state; maybe just not for as long as it would without the casein before bed. Most of the TRULY hardcore bodybuilders I know that are training for shows get up every 2-3 hours during the night to have a meal of some sort as that's really the only way to keep your body anabolic at all times.


jag

:up::up:

As for the getting up every 2-3 hours, that's gotta **** with your REM cycles, no?

jimmy
02-28-2008, 03:24 PM
fruit punch flavor...tastes just like Kool-Aid :up:


OH YEAH!





No, seriously. :csad:

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 03:24 PM
:up::up:

As for the getting up every 2-3 hours, that's gotta **** with your REM cycles, no?

I'm sure it does. That's why these guys wind up taking a couple of naps every day, though. :funny:

jag

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 03:26 PM
Ha, lifting as a full time job must be nice

The_Dark_Knight
02-28-2008, 03:45 PM
Whos all going to the Arnold Classic this weekend??
starts tomorrow, cant wait!

thank God I live in Columbus.

hammy
02-28-2008, 04:23 PM
What do you guys think about cottage cheese?

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 04:26 PM
Tastes horrible, bit very good for you :down::up:

NickSox
02-28-2008, 04:28 PM
Tastes horrible, bit very good for you :down::up:

I hated cottage cheese when i was a kid and growing up and now I cant get enough of the stuff. Small curd FTW

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 04:30 PM
I just can't swallow it. I'll roll it around in my mouth for hours, but the old esophagus wants no parts of it :(

hammy
02-28-2008, 04:32 PM
I hated cottage cheese when i was a kid and growing up and now I cant get enough of the stuff. Small curd FTW

I know. Me too!

I just can't swallow it. I'll roll it around in my mouth for hours, but the old esophagus wants no parts of it :(

Silly Spoons, don't you know your mouth is where your tastebuds are? But anyway, you have to have something to help push it down. :up: I like tomatoes. Yum. :)

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 04:33 PM
I don't really mind the taste, it's the consistency that bothers me :(

Super Kal
02-28-2008, 04:34 PM
I just can't swallow it. I'll roll it around in my mouth for hours, but the old esophagus wants no parts of it :(
i feel ya, CS... never liked it to begin with, and never will like it, I'm afraid

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 04:34 PM
I could always take a shot of vodka before the cottage cheese. For a few seconds after vodka, my tongue is pretty much in shock anyway :o

Whirlysplat
02-28-2008, 04:35 PM
I don't really mind the taste, it's the consistency that bothers me :(

Experience something like it, somewhere before have you CS?:shock

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 04:35 PM
I like cottage cheese but I can't eat it because of a mild dairy allergy I've developed. :(

jag

Whirlysplat
02-28-2008, 04:37 PM
I like cottage cheese but I can't eat it because of a mild dairy allergy I've developed. :(

jag

I prefer a product called propeptide before I go to bed. It's even better for slow release!

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 04:37 PM
Experience something like it, somewhere before have you CS?:shock

Haha. Any guy with man-love that looks like cottage cheese should get to the hospital.

Whirlysplat
02-28-2008, 04:40 PM
Haha. Any guy with man-love that looks like cottage cheese should get to the hospital.

steroids can do strange things to gametes....... (nah, not that strange)

hammy
02-28-2008, 04:41 PM
I don't really mind the taste, it's the consistency that bothers me :(

Hmm. Well, you could always trying hiding it inside something else. :o


I could always take a shot of vodka before the cottage cheese. For a few seconds after vodka, my tongue is pretty much in shock anyway :o

But then the vodka might undo the beneficial effects of the cc.


I like cottage cheese but I can't eat it because of a mild dairy allergy I've developed. :(

jag


Hmm, (again) I didn't know one could develop an allergy so late in life. Do you know what caused it?

Whirlysplat
02-28-2008, 04:42 PM
Hmm, (again) I didn't know one could develop an allergy so late in life. Do you know what caused it?

People often develop food allegues in the 30's and upwards. Gluten is very common.

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 04:43 PM
I prefer a product called propeptide before I go to bed. It's even better for slow release!

I remember reading about that awhile back. Didn't Dorian Yates have something to do with that stuff?

jag

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 04:44 PM
Hmm. Well, you could always trying hiding it inside something else. :o




But then the vodka might undo the beneficial effects of the cc.


I think I might just have to hold my nose and tough it out.


Haha, I was just jokin about the vodka

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 04:45 PM
People often develop food allegues in the 30's and upwards. Gluten is very common.

Yep. I developed a slight dairy allergy (mostly milk, yogurt and cottage cheese; regular cheese doesn't seem to bother me much) and a somewhat severe peanut/peanut oil allergy around the age of 33.

jag

hammy
02-28-2008, 04:51 PM
People often develop food allegues in the 30's and upwards. Gluten is very common.

That's very concerning. :( I thought all that stuff was exposed in childhood.


Haha, I was just jokin about the vodka

D'oh! You can't say stuff like that to me. I always believe people. :o

Whirlysplat
02-28-2008, 05:01 PM
I remember reading about that awhile back. Didn't Dorian Yates have something to do with that stuff?

jag

Indeed it's made by Dorian Yates approved, previously CNP, previously the great and legendary Chemical Warfare products. Why when it was CW was it so great. It had the most potent protein powder ever.......... Why was it so potent? Whirly is careful here, because, he cannot prove what was rumoured about its secret ingrediant. It does however rhyme with moxy.

That's very concerning. :( I thought all that stuff was exposed in childhood.



Nope, the saddest I know of was a real party guy I worked with became Alcohol intollerant when he hit 40. Actually true.

hammy
02-28-2008, 05:02 PM
Hmm. But see, that actually worked in his favor.

terry78
02-28-2008, 05:04 PM
I think I might just have to hold my nose and tough it out.


Haha, I was just jokin about the vodka

Quit lyin' *****. We know you be getting tore up in the gym.

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 05:07 PM
Quit lyin' *****. We know you be getting tore up in the gym.

Haha, I've cut back on my alcohol consumption quite a bit. The last 2 or 3 times I went to the bar, I had water all night :up:

I'm overdue for a wild night :o

Whirlysplat
02-28-2008, 05:09 PM
Haha, I've cut back on my alcohol consumption quite a bit. The last 2 or 3 times I went to the bar, I had water all night :up:

I'm overdue for a wild night :o


:up: I like you I have decided. Getting hammered occasionally is very good.

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 05:10 PM
Yeah, I was doing it far too often. College is over unfortunately :(

Whirlysplat
02-28-2008, 05:12 PM
Yeah, I was doing it far too often. College is over unfortunately :(

Haha, do a postgrad. course like I did. I spent six years at three English Universities as a student.

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 05:14 PM
Indeed it's made by Dorian Yates approved, previously CNP, previously the great and legendary Chemical Warfare products. Why when it was CW was it so great. It had the most potent protein powder ever.......... Why was it so potent? Whirly is careful here, because, he cannot prove what was rumoured about its secret ingrediant. It does however rhyme with moxy.


Yeah, I'm not real keen on those "extra" ingredients, personally. :D

jag

Whirlysplat
02-28-2008, 05:17 PM
Yeah, I'm not real keen on those "extra" ingredients, personally. :D

jag

As CNP and Dorian Yates approved they became much more legit..... Although there products are much more advanced, they seem far less effective..... Strange, huh?

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 05:20 PM
As CNP and Dorian Yates approved they became much more legit..... Although there products are much more advanced, they seem far less effective..... Strange, huh?

I think I'll just stick with the regular old casein protein I have. Works just fine for me (and is more cost effective). :up:

jag

DV8
02-28-2008, 05:23 PM
jag, what would you recommend for some hardcore cardio workouts? I would really like to get cut up by June; I think my body fat % is about 19 or 20% . . . . I hate running :(

I'm thinking I'll just have to rock out a lot of elliptical work . . .

Whirlysplat
02-28-2008, 05:23 PM
I think I'll just stick with the regular old casein protein I have. Works just fine for me (and is more cost effective). :up:

jag

true, true... I still am not back in shape from my illness. I have been playing to much golf and not training enough. That said I am benching 145Kg for 8 reps. Which is not very good as at the moment I am a fatty and probably weigh 120Kg.

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 05:30 PM
Haha, do a postgrad. course like I did. I spent six years at three English Universities as a student.

That's another reason why I'd like to go to grad school sooner than later. Don't wanna be that 30 year old ordering carbombs :o

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 05:30 PM
jag, what would you recommend for some hardcore cardio workouts? I would really like to get cut up by June; I think my body fat % is about 19 or 20% . . . . I hate running :(

I'm thinking I'll just have to rock out a lot of elliptical work . . .


I know there are some HIIT enthusiasts here, but I love me some steady state cardio on an elliptical or treadmill. 10 minute low level warmup followed by 45 minutes of intense, steady work and then a 5 minute cool down (60 minutes total). Do it first thing in the morning before breakfast if you really want to burn through your glucogen stores in a hurry and get to the actual fat burning part of it faster and use some good BCAA's like Scivation Xtend to protect the muscle while you're doing it. Do that kind of cardio at least 5 days a week if you're not lifting regularly every week and at least 3 if you are.

The other component of this is, of course, your diet. If you're eating garbage, well, that's half your issue right there. Make sure your diet is good and clean and maybe track your caloric intake and macronutrient breakout on a daily basis in something like fitday.com to make sure you're eating at an optimal level and getting the 40/40/20 split of protein/complex carbs/good fats on a daily basis that you ought to be. No processed foods or refined flours or sugars and drink at least a gallon of water every day as it will help detoxify you and aid in burning the fat off.

jag

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 05:31 PM
true, true... I still am not back in shape from my illness. I have been playing to much golf and not training enough. That said I am benching 145Kg for 8 reps. Which is not very good as at the moment I am a fatty and probably weigh 120Kg.

Hey, 145kg isn't shabby at all, especially if you're a fatty who hasn't been working out and is coming off an illness.

jag

theShape
02-28-2008, 05:37 PM
jag, what would you recommend for some hardcore cardio workouts? I would really like to get cut up by June; I think my body fat % is about 19 or 20% . . . . I hate running :(

I'm thinking I'll just have to rock out a lot of elliptical work . . .

If you want to get cut, I can recommend a good running workout. I'm big into running, and prefer it over elliptical work. Although you hate it, it's just as beneficial, if not more so, than elliptical work, and you can you can get a much, much more varied workout.

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 05:39 PM
If you want to get cut, I can recommend a good running workout. I'm big into running, and prefer it over elliptical work. Although you hate it, it's just as beneficial, if not more so, than elliptical work, and you can you can get a much, much more varied workout.

True. Running is too damn hard on my knees and joints, so it's something I avoid these days. But DV8 is young and spry and should be able to do it. :up:

jag

Whirlysplat
02-28-2008, 05:40 PM
Hey, 145kg isn't shabby at all, especially if you're a fatty who hasn't been working out and is coming off an illness.

jag

True.... I really am a fatty at the moment though, a bestially strong fatty, but still an Orka!

theShape
02-28-2008, 05:48 PM
True. Running is too damn hard on my knees and joints, so it's something I avoid these days. But DV8 is young and spry and should be able to do it. :up:

jag

That is true, because running is a high-impact activity. However, if you demonstrate good form, warm up properly, and wear a the right running shoes, it can be so beneficial, mainly because it's an activity that involves your entire body.

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 05:52 PM
jag, what would you recommend for some hardcore cardio workouts? I would really like to get cut up by June; I think my body fat % is about 19 or 20% . . . . I hate running :(

I'm thinking I'll just have to rock out a lot of elliptical work . . .

Screw the elliptical. I like to run and you will too when you get going.
I like to string together bodyweight exercises with very little rest-burpees are a MUST!!!
Sprints are the best fat burner out there. You wont burn the fat while running, but your body will react the rest of that day.
I have a rowing machine that I use from time to time, look into it if you refuse to run.

DIET plays the biggest role, dont forget to keep it clean!

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 05:54 PM
Running is for people lost in a wolf-infested forest who are naked with pork chops tied around their necks. :D

jag

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 06:00 PM
Running is for me when the police release the German shepherds :o

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:00 PM
Running is for people lost in a wolf-infested forest who are naked with pork chops tied around their necks. :D

jag

Actually that would be sprinting!!! :shock

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:22 PM
Screw the elliptical. I like to run and you will too when you get going.
I like to string together bodyweight exercises with very little rest-burpees are a MUST!!!
Sprints are the best fat burner out there. You wont burn the fat while running, but your body will react the rest of that day.
I have a rowing machine that I use from time to time, look into it if you refuse to run.

DIET plays the biggest role, dont forget to keep it clean!

yeah . . . thanks for everybody's comments :up: thanks jag, shape, mrvlknight (get some VOWELS, dude!! Lol!); I've been slowly improving my diet to get back where I need to be; normally I don't drink soda and I've been watching my breads so carefully that I'm trying to cut out anything with highfructose corn syrup; enriched wheat and hydrogenated oils . . . lots of chicken and fresh bread, and a lot of fruit salads, whole grain breads (w/ cream cheese however), and trying to use white cheeses w/ my sandwiches . . . and as always, a shick-load of water

Shape, I used to have a running routine I did on a kick @$$ flight of concrete church stairs . . . great for laps; I enjoyed that, and combining the climbing aspect seemed to really improve my endurance . . . I was doing about 15 (up and down for a total of 30) laps in my prime (about 30 stairs high, btw).

I should perhaps incorporate a sprinting stint here and there between laps . . . . also, what kind of running shoes would you recommend?

also, now that you mention it, the running might not be so bad; but as jag stated, it's hard on the knees and joints; I can take it now, but that'll only jack me up worse in the future so I suppose it's also a preventative measure I'd like to take (and makes a great excuse too :D)

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:23 PM
haha, is mrvlknight21 a female?? if not, you need to change that avvy, brah :o

AndThePickles
02-28-2008, 06:25 PM
Running is for me when the police release the German shepherds :o

Or when a dog is coming for your girlfriend :cmad:

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:27 PM
Or when a dog is coming for your girlfriend :cmad:

Lol! this sounds like something you've experienced . . .

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 06:27 PM
Lies!

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:28 PM
Running is for me when the police release the German shepherds :o


RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!
http://www.ivetriedthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mr_burns.gif

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:29 PM
Lies!

SHE LIE LIKE A RUG! :cmad:

AndThePickles
02-28-2008, 06:29 PM
Lies!

You know damn straight what you did! :cmad:

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:30 PM
hell hath no fury like a woman scorned . . . and/or chased down by a GOT dam German Shepard . . . :o

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 06:31 PM
You know damn straight what you did! :cmad:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/09/15/majsimpson_narrowweb__300x475,0.jpg

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:32 PM
:lmao: I mean . . . :nono: bah, fk it :lmao: :applaud

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 06:34 PM
O.J. has an endless supply of faces to fit how I'd respond to ATP sometimes :D

AndThePickles
02-28-2008, 06:35 PM
O.J. has an endless supply of faces to fit how I'd respond to ATP sometimes :D


:cmad: I hate it because you make the exact same faces and I can picture you doing it in your room :cmad:

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:38 PM
Running is for me when the police release the German shepherds :o

See that black guy over there...he must be guilty, hes black.....sic him!!!!
WOOF!

theShape
02-28-2008, 06:39 PM
yeah . . . thanks for everybody's comments :up: thanks jag, shape, mrvlknight (get some VOWELS, dude!! Lol!); I've been slowly improving my diet to get back where I need to be; normally I don't drink soda and I've been watching my breads so carefully that I'm trying to cut out anything with highfructose corn syrup; enriched wheat and hydrogenated oils . . . lots of chicken and fresh bread, and a lot of fruit salads, whole grain breads (w/ cream cheese however), and trying to use white cheeses w/ my sandwiches . . . and as always, a shick-load of water

Shape, I used to have a running routine I did on a kick @$$ flight of concrete church stairs . . . great for laps; I enjoyed that, and combining the climbing aspect seemed to really improve my endurance . . . I was doing about 15 (up and down for a total of 30) laps in my prime (about 30 stairs high, btw).

I should perhaps incorporate a sprinting stint here and there between laps . . . . also, what kind of running shoes would you recommend?

also, now that you mention it, the running might not be so bad; but as jag stated, it's hard on the knees and joints; I can take it now, but that'll only jack me up worse in the future so I suppose it's also a preventative measure I'd like to take (and makes a great excuse too :D)

Don't get Nike running shoes, whatever you do. If you want to find shoes that would be best for you -- http://www.runnersworld.com/cda/whichshoe/1,,s6-240-325-329-0-0-0-0-0,00.html -- but I'd suggest just going to a local store that seels quality shoes and seeing what works for you. You want something light with good arch support.

As for a running workout, your stairs workout sounds good and challenging, but I'd suggest a more straightforward sprinting workout. Is there a high school near you that has a track, or some sort of 400m track nearby? Because that's the best way to get work done, running-wise. It's also really easy to keep track of your distance and time. Here's a workout warm-up I recommend to start:

-
800 meter warm-up (2 light laps around track)
stretch
8 100m strides (can be done on a straight-away, walking back between each one)
stretch
-

The next part is where you can get creative, as to the kind of shape you want to be in. You can do 4-6 200m strides with short rest, or you can do shorter sprints with longer rests. These workout also need to vary with each day. You don't want to do the same level of activity each day. It's best to have 2-3 days where you can say you worked out hard, with the rest being easier. For instance: Monday-easy, Tuesday-workout, Wednesday-easy, Thursday-workout, Friday-easy, and take the weekend off. Or you can mix that up to whatever suits you best.

There's also so many other ways you can vary your running workout. If you're interested, let me know. Running like this will help you lose weight, and help you to become faster and stronger. Technicaly, people don't ave the ability to gain speed, only to get stronger, and this will do that.

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 06:43 PM
See that black guy over there...he must be guilty, hes black.....sic him!!!!
WOOF!

Dogs are colorblind....my ass!

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:45 PM
yeah . . . thanks for everybody's comments :up: thanks jag, shape, mrvlknight (get some VOWELS, dude!! Lol!); I've been slowly improving my diet to get back where I need to be; normally I don't drink soda and I've been watching my breads so carefully that I'm trying to cut out anything with highfructose corn syrup; enriched wheat and hydrogenated oils . . . lots of chicken and fresh bread, and a lot of fruit salads, whole grain breads (w/ cream cheese however), and trying to use white cheeses w/ my sandwiches . . . and as always, a shick-load of water

Shape, I used to have a running routine I did on a kick @$$ flight of concrete church stairs . . . great for laps; I enjoyed that, and combining the climbing aspect seemed to really improve my endurance . . . I was doing about 15 (up and down for a total of 30) laps in my prime (about 30 stairs high, btw).

I should perhaps incorporate a sprinting stint here and there between laps . . . . also, what kind of running shoes would you recommend?

also, now that you mention it, the running might not be so bad; but as jag stated, it's hard on the knees and joints; I can take it now, but that'll only jack me up worse in the future so I suppose it's also a preventative measure I'd like to take (and makes a great excuse too :D)

If you have a store nearby that will analyze your feet and running style-go there. They will recommend the best shoes for you. If not, I always recommend Asics (Nimbus). Dont get the low end $50 either. I have had a pair for a year and have put a few hundred miles on them and they still look only like a month old. As soon as I put them on, it was like stepping into a cloud. BUT-everyones foot is different what works for me may not work for you. Try some on, some stores also have a treadmill in store so you can run a minute and gauge the results.

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:45 PM
wow . . . thanks, Shape; I'll try to find a track; I just hope I can stay motivated; how often should I vary the workout; maybe I could incorporate the stairs aspect on some days; the sprinting on others . . .

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:46 PM
haha, is mrvlknight21 a female?? if not, you need to change that avvy, brah :o

How dare you! I am a straight man and I LOVE Mean Girls. Respect the Plastics!

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:47 PM
By the way, I agree with Shape...avoid Nikes.

AndThePickles
02-28-2008, 06:47 PM
I love Nikes.

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:48 PM
Dogs are colorblind....my ass!

haha! we used to have a racist Great Dane . . . but then we found out she didn't like white males either . . . she was just mean :O

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 06:48 PM
How dare you! I am a straight man and I LOVE Mean Girls. Respect the Plastics!

There's is NO manly way to say that lol. You could be a cyborg/pirate, driving a corvette, gettin a BJ while eating a burger and shooting a rifle into the air and it'd STILL be gay :(

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:50 PM
There's is NO manly way to say that lol. You could be a cyborg/pirate, driving a corvette, gettin a BJ while eating a burger and shooting a rifle into the air and it'd STILL be gay :(

:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 06:50 PM
Tres triste

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:51 PM
I got some New Balance kicks that I love, but they're more for looks than running . . . although I hear that New Balance is one of the top rated running shoes according consumer reports . . .

AndThePickles
02-28-2008, 06:52 PM
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/devildogwife06/Boo_You_Whore.jpg

DV8
02-28-2008, 06:53 PM
How dare you! I am a straight man and I LOVE Mean Girls. Respect the Plastics!

I'm a straight man too which is why I have no idea what you're talking about :dry:

haha, just messin w/ you man; do what you do evenifitmakesyoulookgay :ninja:

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:53 PM
I got some New Balance kicks that I love, but they're more for looks than running . . . although I hear that New Balance is one of the top rated running shoes according consumer reports . . .

Asics Nimbus were rated #1 by them. (thats just what I heard)

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:54 PM
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/devildogwife06/Boo_You_Whore.jpg

You just moved up 20 spaces in my book Pickles!!!!!!!!
:applaud :applaud :applaud

theShape
02-28-2008, 06:54 PM
wow . . . thanks, Shape; I'll try to find a track; I just hope I can stay motivated; how often should I vary the workout; maybe I could incorporate the stairs aspect on some days; the sprinting on others . . .

Yeah, that could work. The thing about a solid rinning workout is that you have to keep to up.

Also, something that would be really effective for you is to grab a stopwatch and use it in your workouts. After your warm up (which the probably THE most important aspect), when you get into your 200s (half a lap around the track) time them. You can stride them out, not too fast but a solid pace, and run each in 35-37 seconds if you're just starting out. Then take 45 secs rest, and start again. As you progress with your working out, you'll want to be able to run each 200 faster, and bump your rest time down to 30 secs, which will be tough, but beneficial.

Another thing...don't limit your workouts to only 200 meters. You can go for longer distance less times (I suggest 3 300 meter strides), or you can make the distance shorter and run them faster (6-8 150m strides). It's your perogative, but I could help you design a specific workout for this type of running to start you off, since I have a lot of experience with it.

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:54 PM
I'm a straight man too which is why I have no idea what you're talking about :dry:

haha, just messin w/ you man; do what you do evenifitmakesyoulookgay :ninja:


Just cuz I love Mean Girls doesnt mean I cant F some people up!

AndThePickles
02-28-2008, 06:55 PM
Just cuz I love Mean Girls doesnt mean I cant F some people up!

Mean Girls are vicious, these guys don't even know.

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 06:57 PM
Just cuz I love Mean Girls doesnt mean I cant F some people up!

Mean Girls are vicious, these guys don't even know.

This is hilarious

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:58 PM
This is hilarious

Im putting you in my Burn Book!

JStorm
02-28-2008, 06:59 PM
Boooo you whores.


Mrvlknight21 folife.

JStorm
02-28-2008, 06:59 PM
CS is racist.


If MeanGirls was an all black movie - this wouldn't be an issue.

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 06:59 PM
This is hilarious

I WANT MY PINK SHIRT BACK!!

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:00 PM
Asics Nimbus were rated #1 by them. (thats just what I heard)

I'll check em out :up:

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:00 PM
Boooo you whores.


Mrvlknight21 folife.

WORD.

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 07:00 PM
What in the Blue Hell? :huh:

jag

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:01 PM
CS is racist.


If MeanGirls was an all black movie - this wouldn't be an issue.

But I thought he likes honky girls.

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 07:01 PM
Honky girls? Hahahaha

JStorm
02-28-2008, 07:02 PM
But I thought he likes honky girls.

Matt Damon, dude!

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:03 PM
Just cuz I love Mean Girls doesnt mean I cant F some people up!

haha, no need to get defensive :oldrazz:

I actually heard Mean Girls wasn't half bad . . . and funny :tries to contain laughter:

JStorm
02-28-2008, 07:03 PM
On the serious - if I were a chick, I would phuck Devil.


For the real.


But I like vay-jj.

JStorm
02-28-2008, 07:04 PM
haha, no need to get defensive :oldrazz:

I actually heard Mean Girls wasn't half bad . . . and funny :tries to contain laughter:


Keep your small penis away from big talk.

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 07:04 PM
Ok, I liked this thread better when it was low fat and reduced gay :o:(

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:05 PM
haha, no need to get defensive :oldrazz:

I actually heard Mean Girls wasn't half bad . . . and funny :tries to contain laughter:

Watch it...Im putting you in my Burn Book too (see the movie to understand).

JStorm
02-28-2008, 07:05 PM
Ok, I liked this thread better when it was low fat and reduced gay :o:(

I say we go back to 1947.

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:06 PM
Ok, I liked this thread better when it was low fat and reduced gay :o:(

Thats a scary mask, bro.

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 07:06 PM
I say we go back to 1947.

Whatever fruit! I'd still be in this country, gonna have to go back further to get rid of me :o (see Roots to understand)

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:06 PM
I say we go back to 1947.

Word, 1947 like a mofo.

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:07 PM
Yeah, that could work. The thing about a solid rinning workout is that you have to keep to up.

Also, something that would be really effective for you is to grab a stopwatch and use it in your workouts. After your warm up (which the probably THE most important aspect), when you get into your 200s (half a lap around the track) time them. You can stride them out, not too fast but a solid pace, and run each in 35-37 seconds if you're just starting out. Then take 45 secs rest, and start again. As you progress with your working out, you'll want to be able to run each 200 faster, and bump your rest time down to 30 secs, which will be tough, but beneficial.

Another thing...don't limit your workouts to only 200 meters. You can go for longer distance less times (I suggest 3 300 meter strides), or you can make the distance shorter and run them faster (6-8 150m strides). It's your perogative, but I could help you design a specific workout for this type of running to start you off, since I have a lot of experience with it.

that would be stellar :up: I need to save your posts into a Word doc Lol!!

the thing is, it'll be hard to start a sprinting program (and I'd pry burn myself out) if I don't warm up routines first; I'm thinking a few weeks but I need to get started ASAP

we still have 2 feet of snow on the ground which doesn't help matters either :down

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:07 PM
Whatever fruit! I'd still be in this country, gonna have to go back further to get rid of me :o (see Roots to understand)


My great grandaddy owned your great grandaddy!

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:08 PM
that would be stellar :up: I need to save your posts into a Word doc Lol!!

the thing is, it'll be hard to start a sprinting program (and I'd pry burn myself out) if I don't warm up routines first; I'm thinking a few weeks but I need to get started ASAP

we still have 2 feet of snow on the ground which doesn't help matters either :down

Cut out the fitness talk. We are discussing something much more important....MEAN GIRLS!

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 07:08 PM
My great grandaddy owned your great grandaddy!

Yeah, but he was secretly leading the resistance. Harry Tubman FTMFW!

JStorm
02-28-2008, 07:09 PM
Whatever fruit! I'd still be in this country, gonna have to go back further to get rid of me :o (see Roots to understand)

:heart:



For the record - I am watching Rocky II and I just ate a steak.

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 07:09 PM
Don't get Nike running shoes, whatever you do. If you want to find shoes that would be best for you -- http://www.runnersworld.com/cda/whichshoe/1,,s6-240-325-329-0-0-0-0-0,00.html -- but I'd suggest just going to a local store that seels quality shoes and seeing what works for you. You want something light with good arch support.

As for a running workout, your stairs workout sounds good and challenging, but I'd suggest a more straightforward sprinting workout. Is there a high school near you that has a track, or some sort of 400m track nearby? Because that's the best way to get work done, running-wise. It's also really easy to keep track of your distance and time. Here's a workout warm-up I recommend to start:

-
800 meter warm-up (2 light laps around track)
stretch
8 100m strides (can be done on a straight-away, walking back between each one)
stretch
-

The next part is where you can get creative, as to the kind of shape you want to be in. You can do 4-6 200m strides with short rest, or you can do shorter sprints with longer rests. These workout also need to vary with each day. You don't want to do the same level of activity each day. It's best to have 2-3 days where you can say you worked out hard, with the rest being easier. For instance: Monday-easy, Tuesday-workout, Wednesday-easy, Thursday-workout, Friday-easy, and take the weekend off. Or you can mix that up to whatever suits you best.

There's also so many other ways you can vary your running workout. If you're interested, let me know. Running like this will help you lose weight, and help you to become faster and stronger. Technicaly, people don't ave the ability to gain speed, only to get stronger, and this will do that.

Good info, duder. Running's definitely not my forte by far, so I'm glad to see you chiming in on the subject. :up:

jag

JStorm
02-28-2008, 07:10 PM
My great grandaddy owned your great grandaddy!

DAMN

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:10 PM
:heart:



For the record - I am watching Rocky II and I just ate a steak.

Fries are bull*****.

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:11 PM
DAMN

My great grandaddy bareknuckle ****** slapped your Pollock great grandaddy

JStorm
02-28-2008, 07:11 PM
Yeah, but he was secretly leading the resistance. Harry Tubman FTMFW!

Where'd you learn the word 'octagon?'

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:11 PM
What in the Blue Hell? :huh:

jag

you know some ****'s gone downhill when jag busts out his signature confused catchphrase :up:

But I thought he likes honky girls.

hahaha . . . racist :shock

Keep your small penis away from big talk.

it will be one CHILLY @$$ day with large fonts the day that happens ;)

Cut out the fitness talk. We are discussing something much more important....MEAN GIRLS!

how dare me

JStorm
02-28-2008, 07:12 PM
Fries are bull*****.
Steak and green beans - you approve.

My great grandaddy bareknuckle ****** slapped your Pollock great grandaddy
My short little Scottish ares will lay waste to you and yours.



You called me. :(

theShape
02-28-2008, 07:13 PM
that would be stellar :up: I need to save your posts into a Word doc Lol!!

the thing is, it'll be hard to start a sprinting program (and I'd pry burn myself out) if I don't warm up routines first; I'm thinking a few weeks but I need to get started ASAP

we still have 2 feet of snow on the ground which doesn't help matters either :down

Yeah, I would take that into account with your first week or two. You'd basically start off the warm up a designated for the first few days, and slowly ease yourself into running sprints. I could also help you navigate the track and manage your time and rest, so just let me know if you want help. :up:

A good way to start now if there's snow on the ground is to use the (stupid) treadmill, and get at least a mile in each day, two if you can do it. Nothing too hard or crazy, but just get yourself running, getting the blood flowing, and building up stamina.

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:13 PM
Where'd you learn the word 'octagon?'

Your face smells like peppermint.

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:14 PM
Steak and green beans - you approve.


My short little Scottish ares will lay waste to you and yours.



You called me. :(


My bad. :oldrazz:

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:14 PM
Yeah, I would take that into account with your first week or two. You'd basically start off the warm up a designated for the first few days, and slowly ease yourself into running sprints. I could also help you navigate the track and manage your time and rest, so just let me know if you want help. :up:

A good way to start now if there's snow on the ground is to use the (stupid) treadmill, and get at least a mile in each day, two if you can do it. Nothing too hard or crazy, but just get yourself running, getting the blood flowing, and building up stamina.

I actually have a treadmill at home, but I hate it :down these abs aren't gonna sculpt themselves though!! :D

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:15 PM
I feel so bad for jag that this fitness thread has become a breeding ground for out-of-context Mean Girls quotes :(

theShape
02-28-2008, 07:16 PM
I actually have a treadmill at home, but I hate it :down these abs aren't gonna sculpt themselves though!! :D

True that, and running is one of the best things to bring out the abs. :up:

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:17 PM
I feel so bad for jag that this fitness thread has become a breeding ground for out-of-context Mean Girls quotes :(

aha! you must have seen the movie...what was your favorite scene?

AndThePickles
02-28-2008, 07:18 PM
Im putting you in my Burn Book!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/pinkdaydreams/burnbook.jpg

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 07:20 PM
I feel so bad for jag that this fitness thread has become a breeding ground for out-of-context Mean Girls quotes :(

Nahhh. I'm gonna go do some back and bicep work here in a moment (no deadlifts tonight, though, since I'm still recovering from last week), so you guys can be as gay as you like in here while I'm doing that.

jag

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:20 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/pinkdaydreams/burnbook.jpg

Pickles moves up 20 more spaces in my book!!!
:applaud :applaud :applaud :applaud :applaud :applaud

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:20 PM
aha! you must have seen the movie...what was your favorite scene?

Lol! I didn't see it!! anyway, if I had to pick a scene it would be the one where they show Lohan's ti-tays :cool:

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:20 PM
:woot: Nahhh. I'm gonna go do some back and bicep work here in a moment (no deadlifts tonight, though, since I'm still recovering from last week), so you guys can be as gay as you like in here while I'm doing that.

jag

Awesome...we have the gay green light from jag. :woot:

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:21 PM
True that, and running is one of the best things to bring out the abs. :up:

yeah . . . I've always struggled with wanting to bulk and then cut and you know what? fk it!! I've never been as cut as I wanted to, so it's time to do it right :up:

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:21 PM
Lol! I didn't see it!! anyway, if I had to pick a scene it would be the one where they show Lohan's ti-tays :cool:

Um....that actually doesnt happen in this movie. I hate Lilo anyways.
but you sure knew that I was using MG quotes!!!!

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 07:21 PM
True that, and running is one of the best things to bring out the abs. :up:

You should write a primer on running, similar to what I did for bodybuilding/weight-training (link in my sig). I'd even be happy to host it for you in association with my primer (making sure you got full credit for it, of course). You've got good info that's well worth documenting. :up:

jag

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:22 PM
i gotta go to walmart. Ill be back later..if youre lucky.

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:22 PM
You should write a primer on running, similar to what I did for bodybuilding/weight-training (link in my sig). I'd even be happy to host it for you in association with my primer (making sure you got full credit for it, of course). You've got good info that's well worth documenting. :up:

jag

can I do one for rope climbing and watching Mean Girls properly?

jaguarr
02-28-2008, 07:22 PM
yeah . . . I've always struggled with wanting to bulk and then cut and you know what? fk it!! I've never been as cut as I wanted to, so it's time to do it right :up:

Remember what I said about diet, youngblood. ;)

jag

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:24 PM
Um....that actually doesnt happen in this movie. I hate Lilo anyways.
but you sure knew that I was using MG quotes!!!!

it doesn't take a genius to figure out that random sayings out of context was regarding Mean Girls . . .

mrvlknight21
02-28-2008, 07:25 PM
Just to leave on a non-gay note....get you some weighted pullups on rings mofos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg9/jb21-2007/outsidegym031.jpg

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:27 PM
Remember what I said about diet, youngblood. ;)

jag

yeah, I need to get REAL seriousa bout it; but I love to cook and I've been making a lot of chicken w/ asparagus; keeping up on a good variety of other veggies, multigrain, corn syrup free, unprocessed breads, and LOTS of fruit in a great variety; been watching what kind of granola I eat too . . . I also love the eggs, and have an egg skimmer to remove the yolks

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:27 PM
Just to leave on a non-gay note....get you some weighted pullups on rings mofos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg9/jb21-2007/outsidegym031.jpg

haha, that was the gayest pull up I've ever seen :o

GNR
02-28-2008, 07:30 PM
what I've been doing...

100 situps a day
20-30 mins on the elliptical machine 4 to 5 days a week
light weights,between 30-50 lbs,for 3 to 4 reps of 10 a day

theShape
02-28-2008, 07:30 PM
You should write a primer on running, similar to what I did for bodybuilding/weight-training (link in my sig). I'd even be happy to host it for you in association with my primer (making sure you got full credit for it, of course). You've got good info that's well worth documenting. :up:

jag

I might be down for that. The thing is, I'm only really good with sprinting workouts, and not as much with distance, because sprinting is what I have done for so long. I could probably provide somg insight into what distance running is all about.

Either way, running is great for you, and you'll feel so healthy if you keep up a good schedule, along with some lifting. :up:

DV8
02-28-2008, 07:32 PM
that's some good stuff though, Shape . . . I really appreciate it; I'll be in touch ;)

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 07:44 PM
Lol! I didn't see it!! anyway, if I had to pick a scene it would be the one where they show Lohan's ti-tays :cool:

Ma, come on, Gimme ti-tties
Ma, come on. Lemme see them

AndThePickles
02-28-2008, 07:47 PM
Ma, come on, Gimme ti-tties
Ma, come on. Lemme see them

****.

Maaaan.

The Joker_1000
02-28-2008, 08:07 PM
You should write a primer on running, similar to what I did for bodybuilding/weight-training (link in my sig). I'd even be happy to host it for you in association with my primer (making sure you got full credit for it, of course). You've got good info that's well worth documenting. :up:

jag

Are there any type of exercises I can do for cardio besides dribbling a basketball & practicing basketball drills when I work out at home?

NickSox
02-28-2008, 08:33 PM
Are there any type of exercises I can do for cardio besides dribbling a basketball & practicing basketball drills when I work out at home?

Go outside and run.

theShape
02-28-2008, 09:06 PM
Are there any type of exercises I can do for cardio besides dribbling a basketball & practicing basketball drills when I work out at home?

Yeah, running. :up:

Dribbling a basketball won't really get you anywhere, cardio-wise. Get outside, go for a 15 minute run a few times a week.

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 09:11 PM
Pasta and fish for dinner. Along with my multi, fish oil, and tribulus(tryin it out) :up::up:

user123456789
02-28-2008, 11:13 PM
Are there any type of exercises I can do for cardio besides dribbling a basketball & practicing basketball drills when I work out at home?
sex

user123456789
02-28-2008, 11:14 PM
what I've been doing...

100 situps a day
20-30 mins on the elliptical machine 4 to 5 days a week
light weights,between 30-50 lbs,for 3 to 4 reps of 10 a day
those are called sets, not reps

user123456789
02-28-2008, 11:14 PM
Pasta and fish for dinner. Along with my multi, fish oil, and tribulus(tryin it out) :up::up:
those carbs will go straight to ur stomach

Colossal Spoons
02-28-2008, 11:34 PM
That was quite some time ago :up:

And I don't normally eat carbs past like 6 or 7 but I was in a SERIOUS caloric deficit today :down:

The Joker_1000
02-29-2008, 12:00 AM
I don't really count calories from everything I eat but I do try to eat as much as I can to get up to at least 1000 calories.

Colossal Spoons
02-29-2008, 12:06 AM
I was eating around 1000 when I was your age too. My diet was all F'd up :(

The Joker_1000
02-29-2008, 12:07 AM
My diet isn't messed up, I just don't count the calories. My mom told me not to turn into a calorie freak so I stopped counting them.

Colossal Spoons
02-29-2008, 12:11 AM
It's one thing to be one of those sheep who buys those 100 calorie cookie bags and eats 40 of them but somehow feels better about it. But it's perfectly fine to make sure you're getting enough :up:

You don't need to keep a log to realize you're malnourished. A rumbling stomach is a good sign ;)

The Joker_1000
02-29-2008, 12:14 AM
I eat whenever I'm hungry, I simply can't go without eating, it feels like I'm dying if I don't eat within an hour's time. Btw, the odd thing is that I'm getting hungry right now. It's nighttime & I can't go to sleep so I'm just watching a Batman movie & waiting until I get sleepy. What're you doing.

AndThePickles
02-29-2008, 12:15 AM
I'm hungry now :csad:

AndThePickles
02-29-2008, 12:16 AM
I eat whenever I'm hungry, I simply can't go without eating, it feels like I'm dying if I don't eat within an hour's time. Btw, the odd thing is that I'm getting hungry right now. It's nighttime & I can't go to sleep so I'm just watching a Batman movie & waiting until I get sleepy. What're you doing.

Hahaha, this sounds like such a jittery high post. You been smokin up tonight kiddo?

The Joker_1000
02-29-2008, 12:17 AM
Hahaha, this sounds like such a jittery high post. You been smokin up tonight kiddo?

I'm trying to find something to talk about so I don't get bored as my plan was to be sleep by now but I'm up & trying to break the boredom.

Whirlysplat
02-29-2008, 11:01 AM
To diet, I always count grams of protein and carbs. Cut out all saturated fat and use flax, peanut butter etc. instead as my lipids. This is particularly important if you are geared up, as it reduces LDL formation.

JStorm
02-29-2008, 11:13 AM
Stallone ate a piece of fish and a leaf of lettuce to stay lean for Rambo III.


He never said anything about breakfast, lunch or dinner - just the fish and lettuce.

THAT'S INSANE.

Whirlysplat
02-29-2008, 11:19 AM
Stallone ate a piece of fish and a leaf of lettuce to stay lean for Rambo III.


He never said anything about breakfast, lunch or dinner - just the fish and lettuce.

THAT'S INSANE.

Stallone is funny. He got caught in Australia for using steroids last year. Did he mention performance enhancers. ;)

JStorm
02-29-2008, 11:21 AM
Stallone is funny. He got caught in Australia for using steroids last year. Did he mention performance enhancers. ;)

Considering the leap - in body shape, looks, and mass - from Rocky I & II to III and the Rambo's, I'm sure he found something to help besides 'fish and lettuce.'

:down

AndThePickles
02-29-2008, 11:57 AM
"Fish and lettuce" are codenames :o

Hush
02-29-2008, 12:33 PM
I talked to a guy at a nutrition store and he said that in order to gain alot of mass threw weight training my diet would have to include 4000 calories! I know a bit about lifting and such but that sounded crazy I prolly pull just about 1500 a day, if im lucky. What would you guys suggest for a 170 pound male with a 225 bench who works out 3 times a week?

jaguarr
02-29-2008, 12:41 PM
I talked to a guy at a nutrition store and he said that in order to gain alot of mass threw weight training my diet would have to include 4000 calories! I know a bit about lifting and such but that sounded crazy I prolly pull just about 1500 a day, if im lucky. What would you guys suggest for a 170 pound male with a 225 bench who works out 3 times a week?


The guy at the nutrition store is a dumbass and you should never listen to a damn word he says, ever again.

Check the link in my sig. There's a piece on nutrition and some links to some calculators that will help you figure out your optimal daily caloric intake and recommended macronutrient breakdown based in your current fitness level and activity, weight, age, and goals. :up: I can tell you 1500 is probably undereating for the level of activity you have. You'll probably be in the 2500-3000 calorie per day recommended area when you run the numbers though the calculators.

jag

jaguarr
02-29-2008, 12:43 PM
I might be down for that. The thing is, I'm only really good with sprinting workouts, and not as much with distance, because sprinting is what I have done for so long. I could probably provide somg insight into what distance running is all about.

Either way, running is great for you, and you'll feel so healthy if you keep up a good schedule, along with some lifting. :up:

mrvlknight is kind of a distance runner, I believe. Maybe the two of you could work together on a running primer?

jag

Super Kal
02-29-2008, 12:45 PM
you know, you should really consider being a gym instructor, jag :up:

jaguarr
02-29-2008, 12:47 PM
you know, you should really consider being a gym instructor, jag :up:

Thanks for the kudos. Now why don't you give me 20 laps around the gym. *blows whistle* :up:

jag

DV8
02-29-2008, 01:02 PM
hey jag . . .

you think I should try to eliminate coffee from my diet when I really get into it? I use non-dairy creamer and sweet and low (which I know is bad for you in large amounts, regularly), so you think I'd be better off using regular sugar?

DV8
02-29-2008, 01:08 PM
oh yeah . . . btw, I only drink about 2-3 cups a day; I know I should be drinking green tea instead but I enjoy drinking coffee more . . .

Colossal Spoons
02-29-2008, 01:22 PM
It's amazing how quickly I've moved up in pullups. A few weeks ago I could barely do 3 sets of 3. Now I'm doin 3 sets of 5 and with great form. :up:

Steroids!

AndThePickles
02-29-2008, 01:23 PM
It's amazing how quickly I've moved up in pullups. A few weeks ago I could barely do 3 sets of 3. Now I'm doin 3 sets of 5 and with great form. :up:

Steroids!

:cmad:


Congrats on the pullups :up: I happened to glance at my back in the mirror this morning as I was pulling a shirt over my head, and my back muscles look nice. I was most pleased.

Colossal Spoons
02-29-2008, 01:31 PM
Hot damn :up: