The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[Colossal Spoons]

Excited to go to the gym today. I get to run my little brother through my back/triceps routine. I can't wait to get him deadlifting(not heavy though, he's only 14) :D

[Hush]

I've learned to just live with my love handles, its genetic. So I just work the obliques (sp?) to define them now or try to tone them up a bit.

[The Joker_1000]

Dude, you can get rid of love handles, don't give up on them.

Btw, I still didn't work out yesterday so I'm probably about to get a quick work out in this morning & then do some cardio later. I'll be back on my regular routine next week & the week after that will probably be the week I use to take a rest from the weights.

[Hush]

No its ok, really My dad has them I have them and my brother have them my grandfather said he had them when he was my age too, its fine. lol I just work the Obliques to define that muscle and it all works out.

[The Joker_1000]

Well, keep doing what you're doing, make sure you see results. Like jag says, DO WORK!

I'm about to work out in a little while, that little fiasco that happened on Wednesday really threw my mindset way off. I'm cool now, though.

[Colossal Spoons]

Saturday work!

[Captain Planet!]

Hey Spoons, are those your muscles in your avvy? :P

[The Joker_1000]

I'll be doing cardio later on in the day, I've got to catch up on my cardio but I still think I need a rest from working out after next week. I've been hitting the weights hard ever since this year started.

[AndThePickles]

Hey Spoons, are those your muscles in your avvy? :P

Lol, have you never seen Batista before? WWE

[Colossal Spoons]

/jealous :(

[The Joker_1000]

Are you any closer to lifting a house?

[Colossal Spoons]

I picked up a tool shed a few days ago. Progress, I guess :cmad:

[The Joker_1000]

Hehe, I guess so.

Now I'll be training a little harder so that what happened earlier this week won't happen again. I need all the strength in the world now.....

[theShape]

I started a sick new core workout this past week and I'm really loving it. Physio ball FTW!

[The Joker_1000]

Is it bad if my waist is 37 & neck is 16? Is that really bad or is it okay for now?

[AndThePickles]

I picked up a tool shed a few days ago. Progress, I guess :cmad:

Lol you nerd.

[Colossal Spoons]

Chicken and whole wheat paste for lunch a few hours ago. Mmmm

[jaguarr]

I'm enjoying my week of, thus far. I've been WAY off my diet, too. Wheeeee!!!! :D

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Enjoy lol

[AndThePickles]

I'm enjoying my week of, thus far. I've been WAY off my diet, too. Wheeeee!!!! :D

jag

Haha, enjoy your indulging!

[The Joker_1000]

I'm enjoying my week of, thus far. I've been WAY off my diet, too. Wheeeee!!!! :D

jag


I wish I could be completely off my diet.....:cmad:

[Captain Planet!]

Oh yeah Spoons, I iz havin cupcakez... you know you want some...:oldrazz:

[Iceman]

I'm enjoying my week of, thus far. I've been WAY off my diet, too. Wheeeee!!!! :D

jag:wow: Never thought I'd see the day!! :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Oh yeah Spoons, I iz havin cupcakez... you know you want some...:oldrazz:

Ugh, desserts don't tempt me one bit lol

[The Joker_1000]

I only eat desserts if I actually want them, they don't really tempt me either. Right now I could go for a hamburger though.

[Super Kal]

i lost 5 lbs this week :wow:

[Colossal Spoons]

My back is killing me today, soreness FTW!

I did Skullcrushers properly yesterday so I've got some nice DOMS in my triceps and my shoulders don't hurt :up:

[The Joker_1000]

I'm back on my diet tomorrow, I only let up today because it's Easter. I haven't done any exercises yet as I thought I'd just take it easy and let me body rest, I've been working out quite a lot this year.

[enterthemadness]

I'm going to start lifting weights again this week. Just be a mix of bike, bench, curls, curlbar, dips, pull ups. Just want to relive some stress is all.

[Colossal Spoons]

Knew you'd be back

[The Joker_1000]

Spoons, is my waist size being 37 bad? It could be around 36 as I had been eating a little before I got it measured.

[Colossal Spoons]

You've got a 37in waist in the 8th grade? That's more often than not a bad sign.

[enterthemadness]

Knew you'd be back

Yeah,...it's the only way I think I can fix my diet.

I still have my job as a cart pusher...so I get a lot of exercise...so putting on muscle can be hard, since my body won't be getting enough rest to form muscle. But right now, I want a positive way to relieve stress. Tomorrow is my Mom's B-day, so I hit the weights again Tuesday night.

[enterthemadness]

i lost 5 lbs this week :wow:

Sure it's not water weight?

[The Joker_1000]

You've got a 37in waist in the 8th grade? That's more often than not a bad sign.


That's what my mom said it was but aren't you supposed to stop eating for four hours & then measure? I'll try measuring in about three hours and see what it is. If it's still 37, I'll be doing cardio all this week.

[enterthemadness]

That's what my mom said it was but aren't you supposed to stop eating for four hours & then measure? I'll try measuring in about three hours and see what it is. If it's still 37, I'll be doing cardio all this week.

Do you think you look big? :huh: like overweight, bulky, etc?

[Mario_Galaxy]

i lost 5 lbs this week :wow:
Ha, same here. :up:

[The Joker_1000]

I don't look that big, I can sort of see my abs and everyone tells me I don't look like I weight over 160 lbs.

[enterthemadness]

I don't look that big, I can sort of see my abs and everyone tells me I don't look like I weight over 160 lbs.

Well, sounds like you can still be in better shape, like me. Not trying to be rude or anything. How tall are you?

[Super Kal]

Sure it's not water weight?
it was... :cmad:

lol, dammit, that pisses me off :p:cmad:

[The Joker_1000]

Last time I was measured I was 5'7 but I could be closer to 5'8 or I may actually be 5'8. Btw, I know you don't mean to be rude because it's true, I could be in better shape. Btw, if I do eat junk food, isn't the best way to still lose weight is to do cardio or other exercises that will help burn calories? I do jump roping for cardio and if I've happened to have eaten some junk food on that day, I also do a few other exercises such as push-ups and sit-ups. Isn't the key to losing weight is to burn calories?

[enterthemadness]

it was... :cmad:

lol, dammit, that pisses me off :p:cmad:

I can lose a lot of water weight at work if I don't drink enough. :csad: espically in the summer time.

[AndThePickles]

Last time I was measured I was 5'7 but I could be closer to 5'8 or I may actually be 5'8. Btw, I know you don't mean to be rude because it's true, I could be in better shape. Btw, if I do eat junk food, isn't the best way to still lose weight is to do cardio or other exercises that will help burn calories? I do jump roping for cardio and if I've happened to have eaten some junk food on that day, I also do a few other exercises such as push-ups and sit-ups. Isn't the key to losing weight is to burn calories?

5'7" with a 37 inch waist and you're in middle school? Now is really the time to start cleaning up your diet if you want to get serious about losing weight.

No, the key to losing weight is diet AND exercise. And diet accounts for a LOT of it. If you eat the junk food, you aren't likely burning any existing fat at all. You probably aren't even burning all the fat calories that you ate in the junk food.

[enterthemadness]

Last time I was measured I was 5'7 but I could be closer to 5'8 or I may actually be 5'8. Btw, I know you don't mean to be rude because it's true, I could be in better shape. Btw, if I do eat junk food, isn't the best way to still lose weight is to do cardio or other exercises that will help burn calories? I do jump roping for cardio and if I've happened to have eaten some junk food on that day, I also do a few other exercises such as push-ups and sit-ups. Isn't the key to losing weight is to burn calories?

Well,...as long as you are active, eating junk food isn't a big problem, but it's best to limit it. You want to eat good stuff most of the time.

[The Joker_1000]

5'7" with a 37 inch waist and you're in middle school? Now is really the time to start cleaning up your diet if you want to get serious about losing weight.

No, the key to losing weight is diet AND exercise. And diet accounts for a LOT of it. If you eat the junk food, you aren't likely burning any existing fat at all. You probably aren't even burning all the fat calories that you ate in the junk food.

When I have ate junk food this month, I've spaced out the days in which I've eaten it. For these next five days, I'll be more heavy on my cardio and I'll be eating clean. The weekends will be my days off if I eat any junk food then. Suprisingly, when it's the weekend I don't eat a lot of junk food at times. I definitely need to do some cardio, I guess I won't be taking a break from working out like I originally thought.

[AndThePickles]

When I have ate junk food this month, I've spaced out the days in which I've eaten it. For these next five days, I'll be more heavy on my cardio and I'll be eating clean. The weekends will be my days off if I eat any junk food then. Suprisingly, when it's the weekend I don't eat a lot of junk food at times. I definitely need to do some cardio, I guess I won't be taking a break from working out like I originally thought.

If you're really serious about losing the weight, you need to limit that junk food as much as possible. Don't have cheat days...every once in a while, allow yourself a cheat MEAL at most. You have your youth in your favor...if you start doing this now, you'll start good habits for your future and it'll be easier to get the weight off and keep it off :up:

[The Joker_1000]

If you're really serious about losing the weight, you need to limit that junk food as much as possible. Don't have cheat days...every once in a while, allow yourself a cheat MEAL at most. You have your youth in your favor...if you start doing this now, you'll start good habits for your future and it'll be easier to get the weight off and keep it off :up:


Well, starting tomorrow no heavy junk food like ice cream, chips, etc. I'll be doing more cardio & eating more healthy foods so that I'm burning off fat. I'm sure that if I do a lot of cardio and eat right for the next week or so, I should lose a pretty good amount of weight.

[enterthemadness]

If you're really serious about losing the weight, you need to limit that junk food as much as possible. Don't have cheat days...every once in a while, allow yourself a cheat MEAL at most. You have your youth in your favor...if you start doing this now, you'll start good habits for your future and it'll be easier to get the weight off and keep it off :up:

Cheat meals are good. I hate cheat days.

I feel like ****...which is why I am hitting the gym again. I don't look out of shape, but to improve my eating habits, I feel I need to work out again.

[Matthew Murdock]

Well, starting tomorrow no heavy junk food like ice cream, chips, etc. I'll be doing more cardio & eating more healthy foods so that I'm burning off fat. I'm sure that if I do a lot of cardio and eat right for the next week or so, I should lose a pretty good amount of weight.

If you desire a healthy, and prolonged existence you might want to consider extending your "diet" for the remainder of, oh I 'unno. Forever?

[The Joker_1000]

I can somewhat see my abs but I do need to get my bodyfat down a little more. I wish I could walk around outside but after that fiasco on Wednesday, my parents won't want me walking anywhere for a while.

[The Joker_1000]

If you desire a healthy, and prolonged existence you might want to consider extending your "diet" for the remainder of, oh I 'unno. Forever?

I do intend to hold off on junk food long enough to be in good shape but I don't intend to stop eating junk food completely.

[Lobo]

I ran four miles today :)

[Matthew Murdock]

I do intend to hold off on junk food long enough to be in good shape but I don't intend to stop eating junk food completely.

I'm curious to know why you're choosing this road of ignorance? You're never going to be in genuine 'good shape' if you don't plan on taking getting an intake of proper nutrition as well as good exercise.

[Colossal Spoons]

I ran four miles today :)

Good job dood!

[The Joker_1000]

I'm curious to know why you're choosing this road of ignorance? You're never going to be in genuine 'good shape' if you don't plan on taking getting an intake of proper nutrition as well as good exercise.


The road of ignorance? What? For nearly this entire month, I've been following proper nutrition & getting good exercise as I've been seeing results. I've gotten a new routine & I've eaten a hell of a lot more healthy foods than junk foods this month. I know what I'm doing, I'm not following a road of ignorance.

[enterthemadness]

If you desire a healthy, and prolonged existence you might want to consider extending your "diet" for the remainder of, oh I 'unno. Forever?

A person needs a cheat meal every once and a while. Otherwise...well...not having one could cause stress on said person. And when they do have a cheat meal, it might turn into a cheat day. It depends on self-control, too.

[The Joker_1000]

A person needs a cheat meal every once and a while. Otherwise...well...not having one could cause stress on said person. And when they do have a cheat meal, it might turn into a cheat day. It depends on self-control, too.


If I do have a cheat day once a week, I'll make sure I don't go overboard but generally, when I'm really trying to go around with eating junk food, I don't have cheat days for at least one or two weeks.

[Matthew Murdock]

The road of ignorance? What? For nearly this entire month, I've been following proper nutrition & getting good exercise as I've been seeing results. I've gotten a new routine & I've eaten a hell of a lot more healthy foods than junk foods this month. I know what I'm doing, I'm not following a road of ignorance.

It isn't that you can just say, "Oh, I've been eating really, really well this month! :D I'm also still eating junk food, but not as much as the good-for-you kind of food! :D" I'm sorry. That's not how this works. You don't seem to be at all dedicated to weight loss and/or muscle gains or whatever it is you're goal might be.

[Speedball]

Ok...so...I've been going to the gym four days out week for about 2 hours.
I ride the bike machine for 5 miles, use the machines, then ride five more miles.
I did five miles in 16 minutes the other day.
I recently bought two shirts the other day, and had to take them back because they were too big.
I've gone down to a medium and gone down two belt sizes. :)

[enterthemadness]

If I do have a cheat day once a week, I'll make sure I don't go overboard but generally, when I'm really trying to go around with eating junk food, I don't have cheat days for at least one or two weeks.

I would stop the cheat days if I were you. Or at least phase them out over time....cheat meals are better for the body than a cheat day.

[Matthew Murdock]

A person needs a cheat meal every once and a while. Otherwise...well...not having one could cause stress on said person. And when they do have a cheat meal, it might turn into a cheat day. It depends on self-control, too.

Depends on the contents of the cheat meal, doesn't it? I wouldn't go so far as to saying a cheat day is something he should be considering right now.

[The Joker_1000]

It isn't that you can just say, "Oh, I've been eating really, really well this month! :D I'm also still eating junk food, but not as much as the good-for-you kind of food! :D" I'm sorry. That's not how this works. You don't seem to be at all dedicated to weight loss and/or muscle gains or whatever it is you're goal might be.


Are you retarded? I've just said about three times that I haven't been eating as much junk food as usual and I have been seeing results. I know how everything works and I am dedicated, otherwise if I weren't I would've went crazy with eating junk food.

[The Joker_1000]

I would stop the cheat days if I were you. Or at least phase them out over time....cheat meals are better for the body than a cheat day.

Trust me, starting tomorrow I'll eat clean for another few weeks and see what kind of results I get. I'll be hitting the weights hard and doing extra cardio, we'll see what happens.

[AndThePickles]

Trust me, starting tomorrow I'll eat clean for another few weeks and see what kind of results I get. I'll be hitting the weights hard and doing extra cardio, we'll see what happens.

Keep in mind that it will take MONTHS to get long-lasting results.

[The Joker_1000]

Keep in mind that it will take MONTHS to get long-lasting results.

Trust me, that's what I'm going for. That's why this week I'm about to get more serious & get heavier on cardio. When I go back down to Illinois I'm going to try to go to the Gym as much as possible with my big bro as I won't be able to take my weights & plus, I want to get him back in shape.

[enterthemadness]

Depends on the contents of the cheat meal, doesn't it? I wouldn't go so far as to saying a cheat day is something he should be considering right now.

Yeah, it does depend on the contents of said cheat meal. For example...a healthly sub at Subway is probably a better cheat meal than going to burger king or a buffet type place.

[Matthew Murdock]

Are you retarded? I've just said about three times that I haven't been eating as much junk food as usual and I have been seeing results. I know how everything works and I am dedicated, otherwise if I weren't I would've went crazy with eating junk food.

Am I retarded? Hh, possibly. Well, more than likely but that's not the point.

You should think about cutting the junk out completely though. As in, you. Should. Stop. Eating. Junk. Food. For. The Rest. Of Your. Life. Period. :)

[Speedball]

No one cares...way to go, hypesters...:meanie::meanie:

[The Joker_1000]

Am I retarded? Hh, possibly. Well, more than likely but that's not the point.

You should think about cutting the junk out completely though. As in, you. Should. Stop. Eating. Junk. Food. For. The Rest. Of Your. Life. Period. :)


That's not gonna happen forever.

[Matthew Murdock]

That's not gonna happen forever.

Why the hell not?

Also, congratulations on your weight loss Speedball. :cool:

[AndThePickles]

No one cares...way to go, hypesters...:meanie::meanie:

Haha, I think you got lost in the sea of arguments. Congrats on the weight loss, that's awesome!!! :yay:

[Speedball]

It's not so much as weight loss as much as weight shifting...

[Mario_Galaxy]

Ok...so...I've been going to the gym four days out week for about 2 hours.
I ride the bike machine for 5 miles, use the machines, then ride five more miles.
I did five miles in 16 minutes the other day.
I recently bought two shirts the other day, and had to take them back because they were too big.
I've gone down to a medium and gone down two belt sizes. :)
Awesome work. :up: It's amazing what you can do if you're really determined.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hooray shifting!

[Speedball]

Hooray shifting!
LOL!
I've noticed my triceps are getting bigger, and my pecs are becoming more defined...and my legs are getting smaller...

[AndThePickles]

Yeah, yay shift!

[Golgo-13]

Did Jiu Jitsu today. We did 6 five minute rounds of sparring, with jumping rope for 3 mins in-between rounds...non-stop. A real cardio killer!

[omid17]

A person needs a cheat meal every once and a while. Otherwise...well...not having one could cause stress on said person. And when they do have a cheat meal, it might turn into a cheat day. It depends on self-control, too.true

Ok...so...I've been going to the gym four days out week for about 2 hours.
I ride the bike machine for 5 miles, use the machines, then ride five more miles.
I did five miles in 16 minutes the other day.
I recently bought two shirts the other day, and had to take them back because they were too big.
I've gone down to a medium and gone down two belt sizes. :)nice :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Did Jiu Jitsu today. We did 6 five minute rounds of sparring, with jumping rope for 3 mins in-between rounds...non-stop. A real cardio killer!

My lungs hurt just reading that lol

[omid17]

Did Jiu Jitsu today. We did 6 five minute rounds of sparring, with jumping rope for 3 mins in-between rounds...non-stop. A real cardio killer!nice man once your done with Jiu Jistsu, you can pretty much kick anyones ass:yay:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hey Jag, Spoons, SB, MvlKnigt and anyone else. Having a discussion with my family about HGH and was wondering what facts you guys know or know that aren't true and if you know of any good articles I can take a look at.

Thanks for the help in advance. BH!

[jaguarr]

I ran four miles today :)

Was anyone chasing you?

Hey Jag, Spoons, SB, MvlKnigt and anyone else. Having a discussion with my family about HGH and was wondering what facts you guys know or know that aren't true and if you know of any good articles I can take a look at.

Thanks for the help in advance. BH!

I was on HCG for a year and a half for my low testosterone while my wife and I were trying to get pregnant. What do you want to know?

jag

[Lobo]

Good job dood!

Thanks, it was a nice day and I took my dog w/ me in the morning :)

I ate all sorts of junk food today though :csad:

[The Joker_1000]

I did too, I had two bags of chips & a bunch of candy but as soon as it's 12:00 am, it's all healthy foods from there.

[ShadowBoxing]

Some girl told me "you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger" yesterday. It was like being compared to God.

[ShadowBoxing]

Some girl told me "you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger" yesterday. It was like being compared to God.

[Colossal Spoons]

*swoons*

[The Joker_1000]

Some girl told me "you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger" yesterday. It was like being compared to God.


All I can say is :word:.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Some girl told me "you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger" yesterday. It was like being compared to God.

You should have gotten all serious and prepaired your best Ahnold voice then turned to her and yelled "Get to the chopper!" :D

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Was anyone chasing you?



I was on HCG for a year and a half for my low testosterone while my wife and I were trying to get pregnant. What do you want to know?

jag


Anything you can tell me. Facts vs. fiction, what are the pros and cons. Any links to real articles and the such. If it helps this is what I know about HGH.

Human growth hormone produced normally in the lower part of the brain I believe in the pituitary gland (SP) which the body normaly produces and does so at its peak from pueberty until 30 something and then starts a decrease from there on out.

Aids in rebuilding tissue and recovery. Among many other benefits. But does have side effects if abused, such as hardening of the arteires (sp) abnormal bown and organ growth and many other things.

[jaguarr]

Anything you can tell me. Facts vs. fiction, what are the pros and cons. Any links to real articles and the such. If it helps this is what I know about HGH.

Human growth hormone produced normally in the lower part of the brain I believe in the pituitary gland (SP) which the body normaly produces and does so at its peak from pueberty until 30 something and then starts a decrease from there on out.

Aids in rebuilding tissue and recovery. Among many other benefits. But does have side effects if abused, such as hardening of the arteires (sp) abnormal bown and organ growth and many other things.


Well, I can't give you pros and cons because I don't know what the intended use is and who would be using it. Do they already have normal HGH production, or do they have abnormalities they are trying to correct? Or, are they intending to use it in order to achieve fitness goals?

What I can tell you is that it does not cause hardening of arteries but it can cause some carpal tunnel syndrome. Most of the people who experience hardening of arteries were using HCG or HGH in conjunction with a cocktail of other anabolic compounds such as Andriol, which DOES cause hardening of arteries. It also does not cause abnormal bone growth (acromeglia), but it can speed of the progression of the disease in people who already have it. Here's a little more on pros and cons:

Side Effects:
Hypoglycemia- due to lowered insulin levels.
Acromeglia- (abnormal bone growth) GH does not cause it, but if you are predisposed to it, it will speed it up.
GH gut- if predisposed and taking large doses of GH
Carpel Tunnel Syndrome
Soreness in Joints

Benefits of GH:
New Muscle Cells
Mood Enhancement
Smoothing and improving the skin
Leanness, it is a potent fat burner
Joint and ligament strengthening

In people with low testosterone or sperm count, HCG is used to send the testes into overdrive, basically forcing them to manufacture more testosterone to bring those levels back up to a normal level, and to produce more consistent sperm. That's why it's used as a testosterone booster in people with low test that are wanting to have children, such as I was, as moving to Hormone Replacement Therapy with testosterone injections, gels or creams causes the sperm production in the body to shut down, rendering the user sterile. HCG or HGH won't boost the testosterone of a person with already high testosterone levels, though.

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

You should have gotten all serious and prepaired your best Ahnold voice then turned to her and yelled "Get to the chopper!" :D
"It's not a Toomah"

[Golgo-13]

Some girl told me "you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger" yesterday. It was like being compared to God.

Was she drunk? :oldrazz:

j/k

[jaguarr]

Was she drunk? :oldrazz:

j/k

Hahaha! Ouch! :D

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm working overnight shift for the next 3 weeks so I was thinking about going for a run twice on my cardio days:

8:30pm-6:30am Work
7:00am-2:00pm Sleep
2:00pm Eat
3:30pm Run
4:30pm-6:30pm Eat and Nap
7:00pm Run 2
8:30pm Back to work

Sure, I'll have no life on those days but w/e; it's 2 days out of the week. Idk how energized I'll be in time for run #2 but we'll see :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well, I can't give you pros and cons because I don't know what the intended use is and who would be using it. Do they already have normal HGH production, or do they have abnormalities they are trying to correct? Or, are they intending to use it in order to achieve fitness goals?

What I can tell you is that it does not cause hardening of arteries but it can cause some carpal tunnel syndrome. Most of the people who experience hardening of arteries were using HCG or HGH in conjunction with a cocktail of other anabolic compounds such as Andriol, which DOES cause hardening of arteries. It also does not cause abnormal bone growth (acromeglia), but it can speed of the progression of the disease in people who already have it. Here's a little more on pros and cons:

Side Effects:
Hypoglycemia- due to lowered insulin levels.
Acromeglia- (abnormal bone growth) GH does not cause it, but if you are predisposed to it, it will speed it up.
GH gut- if predisposed and taking large doses of GH
Carpel Tunnel Syndrome
Soreness in Joints

Benefits of GH:
New Muscle Cells
Mood Enhancement
Smoothing and improving the skin
Leanness, it is a potent fat burner
Joint and ligament strengthening

In people with low testosterone or sperm count, HCG is used to send the testes into overdrive, basically forcing them to manufacture more testosterone to bring those levels back up to a normal level, and to produce more consistent sperm. That's why it's used as a testosterone booster in people with low test that are wanting to have children, such as I was, as moving to Hormone Replacement Therapy with testosterone injections, gels or creams causes the sperm production in the body to shut down, rendering the user sterile. HCG or HGH won't boost the testosterone of a person with already high testosterone levels, though.

jag

Hmmm interesting. I was just curious because my family and I were having a discussion and I we were curious to what HGH really does. It doesn't seem as harmful as anabolic steroids but it does seem harmful to a person's health. But it appears that it varies from each individual and from the amount used. But it seems that some of the info that I have found varies so I am unsure what is true and what isn't true.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/human-growth-hormone-hgh-side-effects.html

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/growth-hormone/HA00030

http://www.hgh247.com/

Those are just some that I found.

Also Jag, what's HCG?

[jaguarr]

I told you in my previous post: HCG is the synthetic equivalent to HGH.

jag

[DV8]

I worked out pretty hard on Saturday, but not too hard . . . today I feel like my rotator cuff got jacked somehow :( :(

when I extend my right arm straight in front of me and imagine me doing a karate chop from one side to another; it hurts when I get about 3/4 of the way to one side . . . OUCH!!

I think this happened playing tug of war w/ my pooch . . . . he's really fkn strong!! I'm speculating this cuz I didn't really do anything else that would warrant this kind of pain . . . JAG, suggestions??

also, what is the 'golden ratio' in regards to protein, carb, fat consumption??

[jaguarr]

I worked out pretty hard on Saturday, but not too hard . . . today I feel like my rotator cuff got jacked somehow :( :(

when I extend my right arm straight in front of me and imagine me doing a karate chop from one side to another; it hurts when I get about 3/4 of the way to one side . . . OUCH!!

I think this happened playing tug of war w/ my pooch . . . . he's really fkn strong!! I'm speculating this cuz I didn't really do anything else that would warrant this kind of pain . . . JAG, suggestions??

Ice and ibuprofen and go see your doctor, ASAP.


also, what is the 'golden ratio' in regards to protein, carb, fat consumption??40% protein/40% complex carbs/20% healthy fats

jag

[The Joker_1000]

Well, I'm back on my diet now. Today, I'll be doing cardio and my chest/tris workout.

What are you guys working today?

[DV8]

Ice and ibuprofen and go see your doctor, ASAP.

aw!! just my regular doc? I mean, it's not killing me, but it smarts pretty good . . . I guess I should pry see the doc anyway . . . it's been awhile :up:


40% protein/40% complex carbs/40% healthy fats

jag

ummm . . . that makes 120% :dry:

haha, I figure you meant 20% fat . . . I knew as much as decreasing my carb intake and increasing my protein; and making sure that all the carbs I'm eating are mostly fruits and veggies, and limiting my sandwiches to ONE piece of whole grain, all natural, high-fructose-free bread . . .

[jaguarr]

aw!! just my regular doc? I mean, it's not killing me, but it smarts pretty good . . . I guess I should pry see the doc anyway . . . it's been awhile :up:



ummm . . . that makes 120% :dry:

haha, I figure you meant 20% fat . . . I knew as much as decreasing my carb intake and increasing my protein; and making sure that all the carbs I'm eating are mostly fruits and veggies, and limiting my sandwiches to ONE piece of whole grain, all natural, high-fructose-free bread . . .


Sorry, yes...20% good fats. I'm multi-tasking (and not well, apparently). And, yes, go see your doc. If he feels you need a specialist, he'll steer you to one.

jag

[DV8]

thanks jag, appreciate it; and as always, just giving you **** ;)

[jaguarr]

How'd you like your other shoulder torn out of it's rotator cuff? :cmad:

:D

jag

[NickSox]

I got back from vacation on Saturday which really rechaged my batteries. I took the week off only going on a jog with my girlfriend on the beach. I was really anxious to get back in the gym today so I did chest/tri in between production meetings. I changed up my routine from 4 sets of 6 to 3 sets of 5 and felt great. I thought after a week off I would come back weaker but I upped the weight quite a bit with one fewer set. I have a feeling I'm really going to like this new routine.

[DV8]

would that cost extra?? :o :p

[Hush]

Yeah easter break treated me well with some good food and a bit of fun fod but seeing as i need to put the weight on it was fine. I hit the weights today and i feel amazing I think I may actually start taking 2 shakes a day now to up my protein intake.

[Colossal Spoons]

Bout time you got on that 2nd shake :up:

[mrvlknight21]

So my wife was watching this show called "bulging brides" where women who are about to get married realize they dont fit into their wedding dresses too well. So they go on a workout plan and diet for 6 weeks before the wedding to drop a few inches.

I decided to watch and see what they would have the woman do. They did a lot of bodyweight work and an obstacle course and of course burpees! They later upgraded to some resistance training (I saw some overhead presses, 1 arm dumbbell rows and more good movements). They did some stair runs and trail runs to keep cardio interesting.

Then came the shocking part. The diet. They wanted this lady to do all this work and eat 840 calories a day. Im surprised she didnt faint during the exercise. This was broken down into 3 meals, no snacks or anything. Breakfast was like 275 calories, lunch was like 300 and dinner was 265. Crazy!

Anyways, just thought I would share this bad diet instruction.

[Savage]

Bout time you got on that 2nd shake :up:

I should've known you'd jump all over that avatar before I did. :woot:

Great work out today. Upped everything by 10 lbs and I am feeling good. I'm really going to need to be feasting on the protein this week because I should be getting some great results.

[Colossal Spoons]

The bible Fruit episode was the first of ATHF I'd seen in months. I loved it :D

[Cory]

so i got hydroxycut hardcore and nitrotech hardcore for free from a friend... i dont know much about hydroxycut, just that its a dietary supplement, dont really need to take it, but im taking both nitrotech and HC-Hardcore... does anyone know how soon you see effects from either of these? im following the directions pretty damn close.

so far my workouts have been much more intense and my energy level is great during them :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

The Hydroxycut will help you burn fat only if your diet is clean and you're exercising regularly.

The Nitro-tech like I told you is just protein, It'll help you build muscle if you're lifting weights regularly.

[omid17]

guys what's Rip Fuel?

[Colossal Spoons]

Fat burner

[omid17]

is that better or Hydroxycut

[Cory]

The Hydroxycut will help you burn fat only if your diet is clean and you're exercising regularly.

The Nitro-tech like I told you is just protein, It'll help you build muscle if you're lifting weights regularly.

right now, im working out with weights monday-thursday...full body non stop...friday and the weekend i do pushups n situps and run a mile or 2.

is it bad to take both of these at the same time?

im eating relatively healthy too. so maybe instead of a four pack i can get rid of that irritating area around the belly button and make it a sixer :cmad:

[omid17]

guys what is the best protein shake if i want to lose fat?

[Sun_Down]

guys what is the best protein shake if i want to lose fat?

ON 100% Gold Standard is a great choice. High protein percentage and low calorie count. And you can probably get it at your local supermarket :up:

EDIT: As jag noted below, cardio and clean diet are the only way to lose weight. But if you wanna use a protein shake, go with ON for the low caloric value.

[jaguarr]

right now, im working out with weights monday-thursday...full body non stop...friday and the weekend i do pushups n situps and run a mile or 2.

is it bad to take both of these at the same time?

im eating relatively healthy too. so maybe instead of a four pack i can get rid of that irritating area around the belly button and make it a sixer :cmad:

Overtraining.

guys what is the best protein shake if i want to lose fat?

Cardio.


jag

[Sun_Down]

On a personal note, I finally did skullcrushers the right way and holy crap did it kill my triceps. Feels great in a painful way :p

[Cory]

everything works good. as long as you workout and have a good diet. eating the junk working out and taking the protein is a waste really.

running after working out is good too...

also on a gross note, when i was reading about hydroxy cut just a min ago and diets etc...they suggest using a full body cleanser (colon included) and the average person loses 7-8 lbs.... :gross:

[omid17]

ON 100% Gold Standard is a great choice. High protein percentage and low calorie count. And you can probably get it at your local supermarket :up:

EDIT: As jag noted below, cardio and clean diet are the only way to lose weight. But if you want a protein shake for general fitness purposes, ON is still the way to go.thanks:up:

[omid17]

Overtraining.



Cardio.


jagi agree, but i heard with certain protein shakes, you can lose it much quicker

[jaguarr]

running after working out is good too...


Only if you keep it to a brief run. Your body stays anabolic during weight training for roughly ~60-70 minutes, after which you burn through your glucogen stores and your body starts looking for the most bio-available fuel to burn, which happens to be your muscle. You can make this window a little bit longer by using a good BCAA supplement before, during and after your workouts to protect your muscle and extend it to as much as 90 minutes, but usually less. But if you're working out for an hour and then going for a 30-60 minute run afterwards, you're basically running on fumes since you burned up your glucogen stores while lifting and are probably undoing any hard work you did in the process. Better to do some light cardio for 10-15 minutes post-workout and save the heavy running for a day you're not lifting.

i agree, but i heard with certain protein shakes, you can lose it much quicker

Having more muscle will speed up your metabolism and cause more burning of bodyfat, but just drinking protein shakes isn't going to make you lose bodyfat. Especially if you aren't doing cardio and have a crappy diet.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

On a personal note, I finally did skullcrushers the right way and holy crap did it kill my triceps. Feels great in a painful way :p

Tell me about it. I had my first successful skullcrusher lift this week and it was great!

[omid17]

Only if you keep it to a brief run. Your body stays anabolic during weight training for roughly ~60-70 minutes, after which you burn through your glucogen stores and your body starts looking for the most bio-available fuel to burn, which happens to be your muscle. You can make this window a little bit longer by using a good BCAA supplement before, during and after your workouts to protect your muscle and extend it to as much as 90 minutes, but usually less. But if you're working out for an hour and then going for a 30-60 minute run afterwards, you're basically running on fumes since you burned up your glucogen stores while lifting and are probably undoing any hard work you did in the process. Better to do some light cardio for 10-15 minutes post-workout and save the heavy running for a day you're not lifting.



Having more muscle will speed up your metabolism and cause more burning of bodyfat, but just drinking protein shakes isn't going to make you lose bodyfat. Especially if you aren't doing cardio and have a crappy diet.

jagi see, so should i also lift weights, if i want to lose weight or should i stick with just cardio?

[jaguarr]

i see, so should i also lift weights, if i want to lose weight or should i stick with just cardio?

It really depends on your fitness goals, to be honest. But there is no magic pill to make you lose bodyfat. If there were, there wouldn't be any fat people. :)

jag

[Cory]

Only if you keep it to a brief run. Your body stays anabolic during weight training for roughly ~60-70 minutes, after which you burn through your glucogen stores and your body starts looking for the most bio-available fuel to burn, which happens to be your muscle. You can make this window a little bit longer by using a good BCAA supplement before, during and after your workouts to protect your muscle and extend it to as much as 90 minutes, but usually less. But if you're working out for an hour and then going for a 30-60 minute run afterwards, you're basically running on fumes since you burned up your glucogen stores while lifting and are probably undoing any hard work you did in the process. Better to do some light cardio for 10-15 minutes post-workout and save the heavy running for a day you're not lifting.



Having more muscle will speed up your metabolism and cause more burning of bodyfat, but just drinking protein shakes isn't going to make you lose bodyfat. Especially if you aren't doing cardio and have a crappy diet.

jag

i thought running after working out starts burning off fat? i dont run after lifting. just on days im not i go for a mile or 2...thats not that long of a time period...it doesnt take 30 minutes to run a mile or 2.

im just trying to get rid of the irritating areas..like the little fat area around the belly button

[jaguarr]

Tell me about it. I had my first successful skullcrusher lift this week and it was great!

Excellent, Daniel-San. Now try them at a slight decline. If do right, no can defense!

jag

[jaguarr]

i thought running after working out starts burning off fat? i dont run after lifting. just on days im not i go for a mile or 2...thats not that long of a time period...it doesnt take 30 minutes to run a mile or 2.

im just trying to get rid of the irritating areas..like the little fat area around the belly button

It only burns fat if you're still within your anabolic window. Otherwise, you turn catabolic and start burning muscle. What you're trying to do is honestly more about diet than it is extra cardio.

jag

[omid17]

It really depends on your fitness goals, to be honest. But there is no magic pill to make you lose bodyfat. If there were, there wouldn't be any fat people. :)

jaglol true, first thing i want to do is lose fat, and once i lose about 20 to 30 pounds, i will start lifting

[Cory]

It only burns fat if you're still within your anabolic window. Otherwise, you turn catabolic and start burning muscle. What you're trying to do is honestly more about diet than it is extra cardio.

jag

i do about 12 good lifts when i work out and it only takes me about 40 minutes...so should i start doing cardio right after for a few min. then take fridays and sundays off and run on saturdays?

[jaguarr]

lol true, first thing i want to do is lose fat, and once i lose about 20 to 30 pounds, i will start lifting

Personally, I'd start lifting now. It'll help you with your fat loss goals and you'll find it easier to put on muscle now as opposed to if you drop the weight first and then try to add it on later.

jag

[omid17]

Personally, I'd start lifting now. It'll help you with your fat loss goals and you'll find it easier to put on muscle now as opposed to if you drop the weight first and then try to add it on later.

jag:up:

[Superman79]

lol true, first thing i want to do is lose fat, and once i lose about 20 to 30 pounds, i will start lifting

You should lift too. I lost 70+ pounds 8 or so years ago with an extreme program (***DO NOT FOLLOW THIS: IT IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WEIGHTS HELP BURN FAT) of lifting 4 days a week, running 6 (running after I lifted for 30 min) and eating a diet so clean, you would have thought I lived on the island in LOST with no candy or white bread products in sight.

Anyway, after about 4 months I went from 265 to 195 (lowering all the way to 175 before I wised up and fixed my diet and workout).

Basically, the point is if I had done cardio alone I never would have done as well. Muscle burns fat. Build more muscle, you'll burn more fat. Simple. Listen to jag, he knows what its all about. :up:

[Cory]

**listens to jag**

critique away :up: :D

[jaguarr]

i do about 12 good lifts when i work out and it only takes me about 40 minutes...so should i start doing cardio right after for a few min. then take fridays and sundays off and run on saturdays?

You're doing full body workouts every time you work out which is four days in a row, right? Let me ask you something, then. Since we know that muscle growth and strength increases come from hitting a muscle hard and then giving it sufficient nutrition and time to heal and repair itself, when are you giving your muscles sufficient time to heal and repair themselves if you're working the same muscle groups every single day for four days straight?

jag

[omid17]

You should lift too. I lost 70+ pounds 8 or so years ago with an extreme program (***DO NOT FOLLOW THIS: IT IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WEIGHTS HELP BURN FAT) of lifting 4 days a week, running 6 (running after I lifted for 30 min) and eating a diet so clean, you would have thought I lived on the island in LOST with no candy or white bread products in sight.

Anyway, after about 4 months I went from 265 to 195 (lowering all the way to 175 before I wised up and fixed my diet and workout).

Basically, the point is if I had done cardio alone I never would have done as well. Muscle burns fat. Build more muscle, you'll burn more fat. Simple. Listen to jag, he knows what its all about. :up::up: nice job dude, and thank you both for helpin out

[Cory]

You're doing full body workouts every time you work out which is four days in a row, right? Let me ask you something, then. Since we know that muscle growth and strength increases come from hitting a muscle hard and then giving it sufficient nutrition and time to heal and repair itself, when are you giving your muscles sufficient time to heal and repair themselves if you're working the same muscle groups every single day for four days straight?

jag

nah its just tough for me to get to the gym friday-sunday because of work etc... and i figure if i do upper body mon and wed and lower body tues and thurs it wouldnt be enough 2 times a week isnt enough is it?

[Superman79]

Edit

[omid17]

i have a curl bar at home along with a treadmill, what else should i buy?

[jaguarr]

nah its just tough for me to get to the gym friday-sunday because of work etc... and i figure if i do upper body mon and wed and lower body tues and thurs it wouldnt be enough 2 times a week isnt enough is it?

You really only need to hit each body part real heavy once a week to stimulate optimal growth since it takes ~72 hours for a muscle group to recover after a heavy weight training workout. You'd be better off going to a three or four day split. Maybe something like this:

Monday: Chest & Tri's
Tuesday: Legs
Wednesday: Back
Thursday: Shoulders & Bi's

You could do your heavier cardio on Friday and Saturday and then take Sunday off. I can help you map out some appropriate exercises for each of those days if you'd like (how you stack/order your lift routine is important as well). Just start by telling me what you're doing on each of your body parts right now.

jag

[Cory]

a bench...you can do alot of workouts

[Super Kal]

finally got a good workout today

[Cory]

You really only need to hit each body part real heavy once a week to stimulate optimal growth since it takes ~72 hours for a muscle group to recover after a heavy weight training workout. You'd be better off going to a three or four day split. Maybe something like this:

Monday: Chest & Tri's
Tuesday: Legs
Wednesday: Back
Thursday: Shoulders & Bi's

You could do your heavier cardio on Friday and Saturday and then take Sunday off. I can help you map out some appropriate exercises for each of those days if you'd like (how you stack/order your lift routine is important as well). Just start by telling me what you're doing on each of your body parts right now.

jag

not sure what all the lifts are called but here goes..

superset the groups
-bicep curls
-triceps with a weight behind my head
-forearms by grabbing 2 20lbs dumbbells and doing wrist curls on a bench

-benchpress
-benchflys? laying on bench doing flys for chest
-benchflys again? but laying on my stomache and lifting for back...
-one knee on bench one hand(same side) back paralell and lift straight up for back (do both sides)

-shoulder press
-get 8lb dumbbells and lift straight in front of me and straight to the sides for shoulders

-leg extensions
-leg curls i guess? for hammys

^^^ each lift 3sets x 12reps...sometimes 15 reps.
- calf raises 3x 25-30

leg ext and curls and calf raises are all superset.

then i do an ab machine 3x15...

more abs lay on my back, legs straight out lifted off the ground a few inches and crunch 15 times, one knee on other knee-crunch to side, both sides 15 times. legs straight out up a few inches, hands striahgt out above my head and crunch (try to touch my fingers to my toes) V-Abs i think? then normal crunch 15 times

i normally do that ab workout 2-3 times depending on how i feel.

[omid17]

a bench...you can do alot of workoutscan i buy the bench separate?

[Cory]

yeah, you can get a bench from sports authority...u can do more with a benchpress though

[omid17]

yeah, you can get a bench from sports authority...u can do more with a benchpress though:up:

[jaguarr]

not sure what all the lifts are called but here goes..

superset the groups
-bicep curls
-triceps with a weight behind my head
-forearms by grabbing 2 20lbs dumbbells and doing wrist curls on a bench

-benchpress
-benchflys? laying on bench doing flys for chest
-benchflys again? but laying on my stomache and lifting for back...
-one knee on bench one hand(same side) back paralell and lift straight up for back (do both sides)

-shoulder press
-get 8lb dumbbells and lift straight in front of me and straight to the sides for shoulders

-leg extensions
-leg curls i guess? for hammys

^^^ each lift 3sets x 12reps...sometimes 15 reps.
- calf raises 3x 25-30

leg ext and curls and calf raises are all superset.

then i do an ab machine 3x15...

more abs lay on my back, legs straight out lifted off the ground a few inches and crunch 15 times, one knee on other knee-crunch to side, both sides 15 times. legs straight out up a few inches, hands striahgt out above my head and crunch (try to touch my fingers to my toes) V-Abs i think? then normal crunch 15 times

i normally do that ab workout 2-3 times depending on how i feel.


Overtraining, man. Big time. Take a look at the link in my sig (helpful diet info there, too). The exercises in the sample three day split there (as well as the instruction on how to use them) are pretty much the cream of the crop. We could easily swap those around to a four day split. But you're trying to do too much in too little time. You also aren't hitting your legs for ****. Time to learn how to use the squat rack. And dump all the supersets. They're a nice diversion and useful in certain situations, but I wouldn't ever base an entire workout on them. One exercise at a time, as heavy as you can go for the exercise for three sets of 8-10 reps. By the end of that last set, you should feel like that muscle group is just about to give out on you.

jag

[Super Kal]

ok, I have a big gut right now, so for the next few weeks, should I focus more on the stomach or just continue what I've been doing with the all body exercise?

[jaguarr]

ok, I have a big gut right now, so for the next few weeks, should I focus more on the stomach or just continue what I've been doing with the all body exercise?

Actually, let's talk about your diet. What's going on there? And map out your exercise routine and cardio routine while you're at it. :)

jag

[Cory]

Overtraining, man. Big time. Take a look at the link in my sig (helpful diet info there, too). The exercises in the sample three day split there (as well as the instruction on how to use them) are pretty much the cream of the crop. We could easily swap those around to a four day split. But you're trying to do too much in too little time. You also aren't hitting your legs for ****. Time to learn how to use the squat rack. And dump all the supersets. They're a nice diversion and useful in certain situations, but I wouldn't ever base an entire workout on them. One exercise at a time, as heavy as you can go for the exercise for three sets of 8-10 reps. By the end of that last set, you should feel like that muscle group is just about to give out on you.

jag

is lifting as much as u can 8-10 time better to get rid of the irritating areas then lifting a weight u can do 12-15 times?

[jaguarr]

is lifting as much as u can 8-10 time better to get rid of the irritating areas then lifting a weight u can do 12-15 times?

It will help in building more muscle. More muscle burns fat. But until you've got your diet dialed in perfectly, You'll probably never be rid of those irritating little areas, to be honest.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Excellent, Daniel-San. Now try them at a slight decline. If do right, no can defense!

jag

A slight incline eh? Maybe in a few weeks, I'm psyched just to be able to do them normally without pain in my shoulders lol

[Cory]

great website jag :up:

[omid17]

sure is

[jaguarr]

A slight incline eh? Maybe in a few weeks, I'm psyched just to be able to do them normally without pain in my shoulders lol

DEcline. Reading comprehension FTL!

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Ah ha. Up, down, same thing right!? :cmad:

[Savage]

Good work out tonight. Finally jumped back into the martial arts scene and started taking Krav Maga. Aaawesome stuff. I want to elbow some faces. :up:

Definitely good cardio and toning from this class and I get to keep my training up to date.

[Cory]

jag what do u think of jump rope and stuff like that for cardio rather then a treadmil, eliptical or jogging?

[jaguarr]

great website jag :up:

sure is

Thanks, guys. Let me know if you have questions or think of something you'd like to see out there. I'm always wanting to make it better and more complete.

Good work out tonight. Finally jumped back into the martial arts scene and started taking Krav Maga. Aaawesome stuff. I want to elbow some faces. :up:

Definitely good cardio and toning from this class and I get to keep my training up to date.

I've always wanted to do a Krav Maga course. Looks like a hell of a workout and some practical experience from what I have seen in training videos of the workouts that they do. It would be a good compliment to my ground skills, I think. My first instinct in a fight is to shoot on a guy, drag him down and choke him out and they really preach staying upright and taking on as many opponents at once as you can. Let me know how it goes, man.

jag

[knowsbleed]

I ran 10k today and now I want to never use my legs again. I used to be able to run 10k without breaking a sweat. :csad: Now if you excuse me... I'm going to poop in my pants because I can't walk to the bathroom.

[The Joker_1000]

My body is actually starting to work for me. Even though I have been eating a little junk food this week, I've still been doing cardio which has actually caused my results to be better. I want to take a break from working out but I need to do some cardio tonight so that I don't end up gaining any weight from the junk food.

[jaguarr]

jag what do u think of jump rope and stuff like that for cardio rather then a treadmil, eliptical or jogging?

It depends on the goal. If you think you can jump rope for 45 minutes straight at a sustained rate to drop bodyfat, go for it. Most people are going to find that damn near impossible, though, whereas an elliptical will allow you that sustained, steady rate of cardio. Jogging will allow that as well, but it's much harder on the joints, feet and knees and if you have problems with any of those (like I do), jogging is something you may not be able to do. Jump rope is an incredible straight cardio conditioning tool, though, and can help you build up your cardio capacity. Makes for a badass warmup before lifting, too, as long as you don't overdo it.

jag

[jaguarr]

I ran 10k today and now I want to never use my legs again. I used to be able to run 10k without breaking a sweat. :csad: Now if you excuse me... I'm going to poop in my pants because I can't walk to the bathroom.

Send your daughter to the store to buy some Depends for you. :up:

jag

[knowsbleed]

To hell with that jag, I'm never letting my daughter out of the house... ever. Haven't you read the threads in here???

I need to quit smoking. :csad:

[jaguarr]

To hell with that jag, I'm never letting my daughter out of the house... ever. Haven't you read the threads in here???

I need to quit smoking. :csad:

I'm SO glad I'm having a son. If I was going to have a daughter, I'd probably have the same view as you about never letting her out of the house. :o

And quit smoking! Go run another 10k. That ought to make you want to quit.

My week of culinary debauchery is nearly over. I've even slacked on my cardio. Felt good to take a bit of a break like that. I start tearing the gym apart again on Sunday. :up:

jag

[knowsbleed]

Okay, serious question. What's a good exercise to strengthen your lower back... especially if you have lower back pains? My lower back is so thrashed from 6 years of lifting wrong that I can't even fully relax when I lay on it.

Kids... FYI, you are not invincible. Don't act like it... you'll regret it later in life. :csad:

[jaguarr]

Okay, serious question. What's a good exercise to strengthen your lower back... especially if you have lower back pains? My lower back is so thrashed from 6 years of lifting wrong that I can't even fully relax when I lay on it.

Kids... FYI, you are not invincible. Don't act like it... you'll regret it later in life. :csad:


Mmmm....I'm not real keen on recommending back exercises to people who have back problems. Have you been to a back specialist or even a chiropractor to get yourself checked out properly and make sure you don't have something really, really out of whack back there? Strenuous exercise on a f**ked up back can be a very, very bad thing (like...start doing a lot of arm exercises because you'll be in a wheel-chair bad).

jag

[The Joker_1000]

I'm SO glad I'm having a son. If I was going to have a daughter, I'd probably have the same view as you about never letting her out of the house. :o

And quit smoking! Go run another 10k. That ought to make you want to quit.

My week of culinary debauchery is nearly over. I've even slacked on my cardio. Felt good to take a bit of a break like that. I start tearing the gym apart again on Sunday. :up:

jag

I know I'm young but when I do have kids, I want to have a daughter first, then a boy.

I felt that I should have a week off as well, but I did start off Monday without any sweets. I'll be back on even more strict work outs and diet this Sunday as well.

[The Joker_1000]

It depends on the goal. If you think you can jump rope for 45 minutes straight at a sustained rate to drop bodyfat, go for it. Most people are going to find that damn near impossible, though, whereas an elliptical will allow you that sustained, steady rate of cardio. Jogging will allow that as well, but it's much harder on the joints, feet and knees and if you have problems with any of those (like I do), jogging is something you may not be able to do. Jump rope is an incredible straight cardio conditioning tool, though, and can help you build up your cardio capacity. Makes for a badass warmup before lifting, too, as long as you don't overdo it.

jag


I do jump rope for about 20-30 minutes, depends on how much energy I have. Hypothetically speaking, let's say I eat a bag of chips with 150 calories and ice cream which has about 270 calories, how many minutes of jump roping would I have to do?

[jaguarr]

I do jump rope for about 20-30 minutes, depends on how much energy I have. Hypothetically speaking, let's say I eat a bag of chips with 150 calories and ice cream which has about 270 calories, how many minutes of jump roping would I have to do?


When you type stuff like that I wish to God I was 14 years old with the energy and metabolism that comes with that again. LOL!

jag

[The Joker_1000]

As good of shape you're in, I would think that you have tons of energy!

[knowsbleed]

Mmmm....I'm not real keen on recommending back exercises to people who have back problems. Have you been to a back specialist or even a chiropractor to get yourself checked out properly and make sure you don't have something really, really out of whack back there? Strenuous exercise on a f**ked up back can be a very, very bad thing (like...start doing a lot of arm exercises because you'll be in a wheel-chair bad).

jag

So all these squats I've been doing to try to strengthen my core is not a very good idea, eh?

[jaguarr]

As good of shape you're in, I would think that you have tons of energy!

For someone pushing 40 I have tons of energy. For a 14 year old I don't, though. Hehe!

jag

[jaguarr]

So all these squats I've been doing to try to strengthen my core is not a very good idea, eh?

Could be contributing to your back problems if your form is bad, actually. And squats work the core to a certain extent, but they're really primarily for the legs and hip harness more than anything. Seriously, dude, go get yourself checked out.

jag

[The Joker_1000]

For someone pushing 40 I have tons of energy. For a 14 year old I don't, though. Hehe!

jag


I thought you were in your early 30's. Btw, that's why I'm working out so much, so that I'll have more energy. Besides that, everytime I hit the weights it gives me a reason to sleep even more. :oldrazz:

[jaguarr]

I thought you were in your early 30's. Btw, that's why I'm working out so much, so that I'll have more energy. Besides that, everytime I hit the weights it gives me a reason to sleep even more. :oldrazz:

Nahhh, I'll be 39 in June. I'm old. :( Be sure you're not depriving yourself of proper sleep and rest. It's really important at your age. :up:

jag

[AndThePickles]

Aw, old man :csad:

[jaguarr]

Aw, old man :csad:

Welcome to my Pity Party, Pickles. There's protein shakes on the counter and a nice fruit tray that Savage brought. :o

jag

[Savage]

I hope you like avocado cause I got hungry on the way. :csad:

[jaguarr]

Avocado is an excellent. Monounsaturated fat and cholesterol-lowering properties. :up:

jag

[Savage]

Yeah, too bad it tastes so terrible. That's just me though. I cannot stomach the stuff.

[jaguarr]

I love avocados. :up:

jag

[The Joker_1000]

Nahhh, I'll be 39 in June. I'm old. :( Be sure you're not depriving yourself of proper sleep and rest. It's really important at your age. :up:

jag

No, I'm not. I usually go to sleep around 3, 4, or 5 am and wake up anywhere around 12 am to 3 pm.

[Avangarde]

I love avocados. :up:

jag

Avocado, Cranberry, and Bocconcini grilled on Turkish loaf = num nums

[mrvlknight21]

No, I'm not. I usually go to sleep around 3, 4, or 5 am and wake up anywhere around 12 am to 3 pm.


How can you be doing that and going to school?

[Hush]

Maybe he is home schooled.

[Colossal Spoons]

Maybe he's 30 :o

[Superman79]

No, I'm not. I usually go to sleep around 3, 4, or 5 am and wake up anywhere around 12 am to 3 pm.

those numbers don't add up... :huh:

[Hush]

I bet he is a cyborg but his biggest problem is acne, yeah I'm an ass.

[NickSox]

I bet he is a cyborg but his biggest problem is acne, yeah I'm an ass.

Sent back through time to confuse everyone. Anyways, great back/bi day today. I've felt great since taking a week off.

[The Joker_1000]

How can you be doing that and going to school?


I've been stating all week that I'm out of school this week as it's Spring Break. I'm not home schooled.

[Dangerous]

Today is a none gym day so I'm doing an upper body workout at home.
It looks like this-

-4 x 50 push ups
-4 x 5 individual arm curls each arm (20kg)
-4 x 10 double grip arm extensions behind head (20kg)
-3 x 10 flys (15kg each arm)
-3 x 10 horizontal chest curls (15kg each arm)

Preceding and following my workout I will be drinking 'Body Fortress Whey Protein' banana flavour powder mixed with water.
During my workout I will mostly be rocking 50's Doo Wop and 80's punk. Following my workout I will be staring into the bathroom mirror for a good 30 mins for a celebratory pose down admiring my hulking physique.

[Savage]

Fan...tastic? :up::huh: I actually do the posing thing inbetween sets just to kill time while blasting the blackest of black metal to really get me going.

[mrvlknight21]

I've been stating all week that I'm out of school this week as it's Spring Break. I'm not home schooled.

You said "usually" in the original post. 1 week out of school doesnt really translate to "usually."

[Dangerous]

Fan...tastic? :up::huh: I actually do the posing thing inbetween sets just to kill time while blasting the blackest of black metal to really get me going.

I blast BM too.

1349 is where it's at.

[Dangerous]

That was cool, I finished.

I going to repeat the same workout tonight.

[jaguarr]

Back at the iron tomorrow. I think I'm going to run a 3-day split of Chest/Bi's, Legs/Shoulders, Back/Tri's for awhile at a 3x6 config for a few weeks, then drop it down to a 4x4 config for a couple weeks and then up to a 3x8 config to finish out the eight week run. :up:

jag

[The Joker_1000]

You said "usually" in the original post. 1 week out of school doesnt really translate to "usually."


Excuse me for assuming you were smart enough to know I meant whenever I'm out of school. :yay:

[Cory]

jag...im starting monday wednesday friday weights...tues thursday sat cardio, sunday off...

monday - biceps and back, what lifts should i do?
tuesday- bike? how long?
wedneday- legs and shoulders, again what lifts?
thursday - i guess bike again? lol
friday- chest and triceps, one again :)??
saturday - just a mile or 2 jog?

how many days a week should i do abs? and light cardio after lifts? im gonna start doing cardio in the mornings before breakfast.
youve become my personal hype trainer... just so you know :D

[theShape]

http://exercise.about.com/cs/running/a/begrunning.htm

[jaguarr]

jag...im starting monday wednesday friday weights...tues thursday sat cardio, sunday off...

monday - biceps and back, what lifts should i do?
tuesday- bike? how long?
wedneday- legs and shoulders, again what lifts?
thursday - i guess bike again? lol
friday- chest and triceps, one again :)??
saturday - just a mile or 2 jog?

how many days a week should i do abs? and light cardio after lifts? im gonna start doing cardio in the mornings before breakfast.
youve become my personal hype trainer... just so you know :D

What equipment do you have access to? Hard to recommend lifts without knowing that. I would do Chest/Tri's on Monday and Back/Bi's on Friday, though. Back workouts, especially if we get you deadlifting, are very taxing and you'll need the extra recovery time. You wouldn't want to hit your back hard at the first of the week and then be wiped out for your other lift days because of it. As for abs, I personally do mine every lift day before I lift as a part of my warmup (ten minutes on the elliptical and then abs), mostly because I just like to get the damn things out of the way and if I put it off until after my lifting I might find myself forgoing ab-work. PWO cardio I tend to limit to 10-15 minutes, depending on how quickly I get my lifting completed. Remember, we want to stay in that ~60-70 minute anabolic window and not let our workouts go much over that. For non-lift day cardio, 45-60 minutes of high intensity cardio should be fine.

jag

[Cory]

What equipment do you have access to? Hard to recommend lifts without knowing that. I would do Chest/Tri's on Monday and Back/Bi's on Friday, though. Back workouts, especially if we get you deadlifting, are very taxing and you'll need the extra recovery time. You wouldn't want to hit your back hard at the first of the week and then be wiped out for your other lift days because of it. As for abs, I personally do mine every lift day before I lift as a part of my warmup (ten minutes on the elliptical and then abs), mostly because I just like to get the damn things out of the way and if I put it off until after my lifting I might find myself forgoing ab-work. PWO cardio I tend to limit to 10-15 minutes, depending on how quickly I get my lifting completed. Remember, we want to stay in that ~60-70 minute anabolic window and not let our workouts go much over that. For non-lift day cardio, 45-60 minutes of high intensity cardio should be fine.

jag

on nonlift cardio would a bike for 45-60 minutes work? or something mroe?

we have benches, bikes, leg machines, squat racks, that cable machine that looks like a big halfsquare arc (dunno name) but theres a pull up bar in the middle, and cables for like tricep pulldowns and biceps etc...

a fly machine for chest...umm... decline ab bench...dumbbells of all sizes...shoulder press,

wish i could be more helpful on the names :(

[jaguarr]

on nonlift cardio would a bike for 45-60 minutes work? or something mroe?

we have benches, bikes, leg machines, squat racks, that cable machine that looks like a big halfsquare arc (dunno name) but theres a pull up bar in the middle, and cables for like tricep pulldowns and biceps etc...

a fly machine for chest...umm... decline ab bench...dumbbells of all sizes...shoulder press,

wish i could be more helpful on the names :(

A bike would be fine for non-lift day cardio. So would jogging. Since you are moving to a three day split and have access to all that equipment, why don't you give the sample routine in my sig a try? It's a good one and will produce results. All exercises are ordered specifically to maximize effectiveness, so don't switch them around.

jag

[Cory]

jag your a champ.

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[omid17]

great video

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

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Thought you guys would want to see this?

[omid17]

^lmao

[jaguarr]

Haha! Very funny with the video. Money would have been better, though. :up:

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Excuse me for assuming you were smart enough to know I meant whenever I'm out of school. :yay:

Am I to assume that the smiley at the end means that you are just kidding?

[Cory]

so since running first thing in the morning is good bc it burns fat, would working out do the same or should i eat breakfast before working out?

[jaguarr]

so since running first thing in the morning is good bc it burns fat, would working out do the same or should i eat breakfast before working out?

Get a good meal 1-2 hours before you lift and a protein shake about 20 minutes before you lift. You need your glucogen stores to be at max capacity for lifting. :up:

jag

[Dangerous]

Done my eights at home today, it was good.
Whey protein w/ water is gross, kinda like drinking a glass of spunk.

[mrvlknight21]

so since running first thing in the morning is good bc it burns fat, would working out do the same or should i eat breakfast before working out?

I almost always run in the morning before eating (there are opposing viewpoints on this as well, but this is the way I do it). But resistance training at that time is a bit different. Like Jag said, try to get something of value inside you before you hit the weights.

[jaguarr]

Absolutely thrashed my chest and bi's today. Worked in some X-Reps on a couple of exercises and went pretty damn heavy for my first week back on a 3x6 config. That test I've been shooting must be getting into my system good and proper, now. I'll be curious to see where I can take things with a normal test level for a change. :D

jag

[Cory]

about to start 'Jagercising' today :up:

[Superman79]

dammit...I hate being sick...I haven't been to the gym since Thursday, and the way my stomach feels, today isn't looking good either...:(

[jaguarr]

about to start 'Jagercising' today :up:

LMAO! Do some serious work! You get out of it what you put into it.

jag

[Cory]

LMAO! Do some serious work! You get out of it what you put into it.

jag

:up:
im following the workout on your site pretty close... theres a couple areas i gotta change some bc of lack of equipment. but only 2-3 lifts...back for instance, i added 'supermans' for lower back , replaced the seated machine rows.

i really need to work my lower back anyway

[jaguarr]

:up:
im following the workout on your site pretty close... theres a couple areas i gotta change some bc of lack of equipment. but only 2-3 lifts...back for instance, i added 'supermans' for lower back , replaced the seated machine rows.

i really need to work my lower back anyway

I'll be happy to review any substitutions you might have made. Are you planning to do deadlifts or rack deads?

jag

[Cory]

for back ive got pulldowns, bent over flies, supermans... if deadlifts work lowerback more then ill add those...but if its more for upper back then i dunno?

[Cory]

the way i have it set up now...

Monday : Chest: DB press, Incline press, flies...
Triceps: pulldowns, bent over and extending backwards, dumbbell behind the head and lift

wed: legs: extensions, curls, calf raises, squats
shoulders : shoulder press, shoulder routine (8-10lbs lifting forward and sideways), and rear delt DB rows

friday: biceps: curls, hammer curls, preacher curls
back : pulldowns, bendover rows (flies), supermans, and maybe an added dealift

tues thurs sat cardio, t &th 45 min on bike, sat a mile or two...

abs every lift day, sunday rest.

[jaguarr]

the way i have it set up now...

Monday : Chest: DB press, Incline press, flies...

:up:


Triceps: pulldowns, bent over and extending backwards, dumbbell behind the head and lift

Don't really know what this/these ones are


wed: legs: Squats, calve raises, leg curls, leg extensions

Do them in the order above. :up:


shoulders : shoulder press, shoulder routine (8-10lbs lifting forward and sideways), and rear delt DB rows

No need to do the front lateral raises with the DB's. Your front delts get enough of a workout with your pressing work on Mondays.



back : Pulldowns (move to pull-ups when you can) first to warm up back, Deadlifts, bent over barbell rows, supermans (very, very optional)

Back before biceps. Always. Deadlifts should be the FOUNDATION of your back routine. Try the order/routine I listed above.


friday: biceps: curls, hammer curls, preacher curls
:up:


tues thurs sat cardio, t &th 45 min on bike, sat a mile or two...

abs every lift day, sunday rest.

:up:

jag

[Cory]

:up:



Don't really know what this/these ones are



Do them in the order above. :up:



No need to do the front lateral raises with the DB's. Your front delts get enough of a workout with your pressing work on Mondays.




Back before biceps. Always. Deadlifts should be the FOUNDATION of your back routine. Try the order/routine I listed above.


:up:



:up:

jag

for the triceps you didnt understand : knees bent about shoulder width apart, back paralell, or as close to paralell as u can, to the ground...holding dumbbells (elbows next toside of ribcage) extend back ..kinda like skiing, dunno what its called but it works my triceps good.
and hold a weight behind your head, elbows next to your temples, and left the weight straight above your head kinda.

just got done working out, i must say my triceps are exhausted, my chest is dead. i could hardly finish my last lifts.

and the 10 minute bike afterwards tires u out completely, but i def feel loosened up.

[jaguarr]

for the triceps you didnt understand : knees bent about shoulder width apart, back paralell, or as close to paralell as u can, to the ground...holding dumbbells (elbows next toside of ribcage) extend back ..kinda like skiing, dunno what its called but it works my triceps good.

Kickbacks? Is that what you're talking about?

http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/DBKickback.html


and hold a weight behind your head, elbows next to your temples, and left the weight straight above your head kinda.

Sounds like standing Tricep Extensions:

http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/DBTriExt.html

Those are excellent.


just got done working out, i must say my triceps are exhausted, my chest is dead. i could hardly finish my last lifts.

and the 10 minute bike afterwards tires u out completely, but i def feel loosened up.

Perfect. Sounds like you hit it hard with the right amount of weight. You should be barely able to finish that last set or so on each exercise. :up:

jag

[The Joker_1000]

Well, it's back to my regular routine today, the three days of rest was nice, my body seems to be getting stronger and stronger.

[Cory]

Kickbacks? Is that what you're talking about?

http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/DBKickback.html



Sounds like standing Tricep Extensions:

http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/DBTriExt.html

Those are excellent.



Perfect. Sounds like you hit it hard with the right amount of weight. You should be barely able to finish that last set or so on each exercise. :up:

jag

yes kick backs :up: except im standing on both legs, and doing both triceps and the same time

yes standing tricep extensions :up:

damn fancy names :oldrazz:

barely finished my last chest exercise...and was a rep and a half away from finishing triceps :cmad:

but jag, kudos on the workout plan...after 50 minutes including the 10 on bike...i fell like i just wrestled a bear.

[Cory]

Well, it's back to my regular routine today, the three days of rest was nice, my body seems to be getting stronger and stronger.

i love the days where u can just sit on the couch all damn day sometimes. especially if its an ugly day :up:

nothing beats a good game on tv and a cold brew on a boring nasty day.

[jaguarr]

yes kick backs :up: except im standing on both legs, and doing both triceps and the same time

yes standing tricep extensions :up:

damn fancy names :oldrazz:

barely finished my last chest exercise...and was a rep and a half away from finishing triceps :cmad:

I'd rather see you do Close Grip Bench or even bench dips if you don't have access to a dip bar than kickbacks. Kickbacks suck ass.


but jag, kudos on the workout plan...after 50 minutes including the 10 on bike...i fell like i just wrestled a bear.

Wait until squat day. You'll be cursing me. Especially if you throw in a set of widowmakers after you run your normal sets. :twisted: Sounds like you hit it with appropriate intensity and weight. Nice job. :up:

jag

[The Joker_1000]

i love the days where u can just sit on the couch all damn day sometimes. especially if its an ugly day :up:

nothing beats a good game on tv and a cold brew on a boring nasty day.


Usually I just sleep my ass off which works for me because it's helping my body to recover. Rest days can be the best sometimes, especially if you've been working out a lot, which I've been doing. I've been giving my ass a physical beating.

[omid17]

Usually I just sleep my ass off which works for me because it's helping my body to recover. Rest days can be the best sometimes, especially if you've been working out a lot, which I've been doing. I've been giving my ass a physical beating.:up: read my sig

[The Joker_1000]

Btw, jag, I felt around my abdominal area yesterday and it feels much harder before. That's a good sign, right?

[omid17]

Btw, jag, I felt around my abdominal area yesterday and it feels much harder before. That's a good sign, right?common sense buddy, yes that's a good sign

[jaguarr]

Btw, jag, I felt around my abdominal area yesterday and it feels much harder before. That's a good sign, right?

Maybe. It could be a tumor. :oldrazz:

jag

[omid17]

lol

[Cory]

I'd rather see you do Close Grip Bench or even bench dips if you don't have access to a dip bar than kickbacks. Kickbacks suck ass.



Wait until squat day. You'll be cursing me. Especially if you throw in a set of widowmakers after you run your normal sets. :twisted: Sounds like you hit it with appropriate intensity and weight. Nice job. :up:

jag

ah DIPS! thats what i was forgetting....

the kickbacks seem to work well for my triceps but it puts pressure on my shoulders for some reason, so ill sub in dips.

i play baseball so i gotta change some things around a little :( but i hear some lifts like dumbbell bench instead of benchpress is better bc of range of motion, which is right down my alley for baseball.

another big thing for me is form...during baseball workouts we never did good form...just last week and today doing lifts with as close to perfect form as i could absolutely killed me. such a better workout :up:

[jaguarr]

Form. Is. Everything. :up:

And, yeah, DB presses will give a better ROM on your lift than a barbell.

jag

[The Joker_1000]

Maybe. It could be a tumor. :oldrazz:

jag

Oh Nos! :wow:

[Cory]

Btw, jag, I felt around my abdominal area yesterday and it feels much harder before. That's a good sign, right?

lol for some reason this made me think of the rocky movies when rocky is doing situps and the little black assistant trainer is slapping the hell out of his stomache.

[Cory]

wow, i just weighed....i weighed last wednesday at 176...and after taking hydroxycut and nitrotech, 3 workouts, and now im 172

[The Joker_1000]

lol for some reason this made me think of the rocky movies when rocky is doing situps and the little black assistant trainer is slapping the hell out of his stomache.


I'd actually like to see those movies but strangely I never have.

As for weight, I weighed in at 163 and about a week later when I weighed it said 160. I hope it's still at 160 or it's less.

[Colossal Spoons]

Back/triceps in a little while :up:

[Cory]

I'd actually like to see those movies but strangely I never have.

As for weight, I weighed in at 163 and about a week later when I weighed it said 160. I hope it's still at 160 or it's less.

:wow::wow::wow:

::dead to me::

:twisted::meanie:

[jaguarr]

Don't get all hung up on the numbers on the scale, guys. Go by what you see in the mirror and pics (a great tool to use for yourself to really gauge progress is to take pics on a monthly basis; cameras catch things you won't see in the mirror), and by how you feel. :up:

jag

[The Joker_1000]

:wow::wow::wow:

::dead to me::

:twisted::meanie:


I'm 14, there are a lot of things I'd like to see but I haven't gotten to see. They were showing the Rocky movies repeatedly and when I finally wanted to watch 'em, they stopped showing them, kinda annoyed the hell out of me.

[The Joker_1000]

Don't get all hung up on the numbers on the scale, guys. Go by what you see in the mirror and pics (a great tool to use for yourself to really gauge progress is to take pics on a monthly basis; cameras catch things you won't see in the mirror), and by how you feel. :up:

jag


Why is it when I look down at my stomach I look sort of fat or it looks like my stomach hangs out but when I look in the mirror I can see abs? Is it like this for anyone else here?

[Cory]

i dont like the whole weight/ height scale in doctors offices and gyms..

it says for someone my height of 5'7, your obese if u weigh over like 160... which is BS. i guess it doesnt take into account muscle mass and athletes in general.

[Cory]

I'm 14, there are a lot of things I'd like to see but I haven't gotten to see. They were showing the Rocky movies repeatedly and when I finally wanted to watch 'em, they stopped showing them, kinda annoyed the hell out of me.

your only 14!?!?!

*feels old*

everyone loves rocky though:up:

suggestion....

watch rocky 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6(rocky balboa)

ignore the fact rocky 5 is a movie :ninja: