The Official Hype Fitness Thread

[jaguarr]

No, see that is the way my wife always eats....cheese and bread. I hoped she would try to get some protein and iron and all since she is carrying a child, but NOOOOOO.
If we go Mexican-cheese quesadillas
Arbys, Applebees, Fridays-fried mozarella sticks
Sonic-grill cheese sandwich
Red Lobster-cheese biscuits
home-grill cheese sandwich

I told her doctor and he explained her needing to get more protein and all, but she doesnt listen to anyone! makes me mad!

As far as sleep deprivation..I have some experience with that as it is. I get up 3-4 times a night to pee. I know, nobody needs to know that...but whatever. I havent slept through a full night in years. I get about 1-2 hours, then get up, pee, and repeat. I know it will be different when the kid comes, I will have to feed, change and/or rock her, but I guess I am a bit accustomed to at least waking up a bunch.

Yeah, my wife is a bread and cheese fan from way back, too, but she does love to eat chicken and steak normally as well. I had to get sneaky and start making whey and casein shakes for her to make sure she was getting enough protein. We don't eat out very much, but she had two things that she craved the hell out of while she was pregnant; chimichangas and greek food. So, we frequented our favorite Greek and Mexican restaurants pretty regularly for awhile, especially those last few weeks.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Here's one for you. Find a high cable (like the kind you'd use for pulldowns). Put a bench underneath it and a t-bar attachment on the cable. Facing the pulldown machine, grab the t-bar with your palms facing you (like you were doing curls and lifted the barbell up to your face). Lay down on the bench, on your back while holding onto that t-bar. Now do some curls, pulling the t-bar up to the bridge of your nose with a nice tight squeeze when you do so. Add weight as appropriate. These are called High Cable Row
Decline Bench Curls. It's my favorite new bicep exercise. :up:

jag


Haha. That's so weird. I saw a pic of these while skimming an old issue of Muscle&Fitness today and was like "WTF? :huh:"

[AndThePickles]

You men's pregnant wives stories make me extra-glad I won't be going through that lol.

[jaguarr]

Haha. That's so weird. I saw a pic of these while skimming an old issue of Muscle&Fitness today and was like "WTF? :huh:"

They are the awesome. Give 'em a try. Works well with a reverse grip to hit the top portion of the long head of the bicep, too. :up:

You men's pregnant wives stories make me extra-glad I won't be going through that lol.

I know you and Spoons are pretty dead set against kids, but never say never. My wife and I have some friends who were even more against it than the two of you will ever, ever hope to be and I'll be damned if a couple of them aren't considering maybe having a kid or two now that they've hit their late 30's and early 40's and their biological clocks are ticking louder and louder. One of our friends that we NEVER thought would ever want kids...ever....in this lifetime or any other...confessed that she's been thinking about it more and more and is liking the idea more and more. Things change as you grow older, that's all I can say. Never rule anything out as you may surprise yourself down the line.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

They are the awesome. Give 'em a try. Works well with a reverse grip to hit the top portion of the long head of the bicep, too. :up:

jag

Biceps tomorrow :up:

[jaguarr]

Biceps tomorrow :up:

You will fall in :heart: with them.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/highcablecurls1.jpg

But with feet flat on the floor?

[SheldonLevene]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/highcablecurls1.jpg

But with feet flat on the floor?

Strange looking to say the least. How is this better/more effective than regular curls?

[jaguarr]

Close. Head at the other end of the bench; this increases the tension of the lift and the different angle will add more to the movement. I keep my feet on the bench, though.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Ah ha, got it

[AndThePickles]

I know you and Spoons are pretty dead set against kids, but never say never. My wife and I have some friends who were even more against it than the two of you will ever, ever hope to be and I'll be damned if a couple of them aren't considering maybe having a kid or two now that they've hit their late 30's and early 40's and their biological clocks are ticking louder and louder. One of our friends that we NEVER thought would ever want kids...ever....in this lifetime or any other...confessed that she's been thinking about it more and more and is liking the idea more and more. Things change as you grow older, that's all I can say. Never rule anything out as you may surprise yourself down the line.

jag

Aw, people do have kids pretty late nowadays. Either Spoons or I will have had surgery by then, though.

[jaguarr]

Aw, people do have kids pretty late nowadays. Either Spoons or I will have had surgery by then, though.

All I'm saying is beware the power of the biological clock. It wields power you do not understand....yet. :o

jag

[AndThePickles]

All I'm saying is beware the power of the biological clock. It wields power you do not understand....yet. :o

jag

*shudder*

[Hush]

Ok so as some of you know i worked out at Golds Gym monday and did a full body workoutwith the trainer, hated it but it was free oh well, my question is we did shoulder press, can I do them again tom. at 6am? Jag, Spoons, Mrvl, ANYONE?

[jaguarr]

Probably better to hold off on the shoulder presses, Hush. You want that 72 hours of recovery time, optimally.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah, well Im kind of different.
Mean Girls is one of my favorite movies and Spoons gives me hell over it.

But to go along with Mean Girls, my favorites are Fight Club, Man on Fire, Sin City, and plenty of other total testosterone flicks.

But seriously...Damaged is the jam....seriously.

Damn straight son :up:

Unforgivable too :up:

"What do you mean they killed Ned? No one killed Ned!" :cmad:

[Hush]

Yeah I know i do but i just love that lift it makes me feel huge! Thanks though Jag, I hope your enjoying having your baby boy in your arms man. Once he can type he needs to join the hype. lol

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Probably better to hold off on the shoulder presses, Hush. You want that 72 hours of recovery time, optimally.

jag

Word. Listen to jag. :up: Like he has said before...

More is not better, better is better. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

They are the awesome. Give 'em a try. Works well with a reverse grip to hit the top portion of the long head of the bicep, too. :up:



I know you and Spoons are pretty dead set against kids, but never say never. My wife and I have some friends who were even more against it than the two of you will ever, ever hope to be and I'll be damned if a couple of them aren't considering maybe having a kid or two now that they've hit their late 30's and early 40's and their biological clocks are ticking louder and louder. One of our friends that we NEVER thought would ever want kids...ever....in this lifetime or any other...confessed that she's been thinking about it more and more and is liking the idea more and more. Things change as you grow older, that's all I can say. Never rule anything out as you may surprise yourself down the line.

jag

Yeah my sis was pretty against having kids too. Not big time but a decent amount. Then she wanted to get married before having kids but as she got older she even started leaning towards having kids with her long time boyfriend so she could start having them.

Although she had some medical complications which I think prompted her into wanting kids a bit sooner.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I miss the gym. :(

[mrvlknight21]

All I'm saying is beware the power of the biological clock. It wields power you do not understand....yet. :o

jag

Yeah, trust me I was the "Im never getting married or having kids and perfecty fine with it." Of course I got married later than all my friends (except JStorm, but he is a bit younger than me). I had been a groomsman 9 times before my wedding!

And there is a girl I just went through academy with that was 100% against having kids, I saw her last week and she said she now wants a kid! WTF! She said,,,I know, I dont get it....I guess it is the clock ticking.

Anyways, you guys have a good day, I have to instruct a dive team on finding a gun used in a shooting that was thrown in a lake. This job is still surreal to me...!

[kainedamo]

Sometimes an hour or two after working out, I just wanna go to bed and sleep.

[kainedamo]

His is bigger than mine :csad: I grab it all the time :o

If kaine let one continuation of a joke cause him to shave his nipples though, it appears that all you boys have to do is tease him about working out, and it will be done! :o

Hahahaha, I think there is more weight behind it if its girls teasing me about it :(

[AndThePickles]

Hahahaha, I think there is more weight behind it if its girls teasing me about it :(

Well if you need motivating for anything, you'll have to let me know :o

[jaguarr]

Hahahaha, I think there is more weight behind it if its girls teasing me about it :(

So we need to have Pickles, Ms. Hush, and Alexia Dark tease you about your fish belly and lack of muscle tone? Got it. Thanks for the advice. :up:

jag

[kainedamo]

So we need to have Pickles, Ms. Hush, and Alexia Dark tease you about your fish belly and lack of muscle tone? Got it. Thanks for the advice. :up:

jag

Yeah seriously that would just be the worst thing to do to my self image and my confidence :(

[Warhammer]

Guys, is the key to having nice, showy abs doing crunches (with legs elevated) and a good diet to trim off the body fat around the stomach?

[AndThePickles]

So we need to have Pickles, Ms. Hush, and Alexia Dark tease you about your fish belly and lack of muscle tone? Got it. Thanks for the advice. :up:

jag


Kaine, you have a fish belly and lack of muscle tone.

One down, two more ladies to go.

[kainedamo]

Fish belly, lol. What's that even mean? But yeah...

Ow! My confidence!

Anyway, I'm a bit confused. mayonnaise - yes or no? Butter - yes or no?

[AndThePickles]

Fish belly, lol. What's that even mean? But yeah...

Ow! My confidence!

Anyway, I'm a bit confused. mayonnaise - yes or no? Butter - yes or no?

I'm not quite sure...I think it means really pale and round? lol


Mayonnaise and butter in moderation. And there are plenty of low-fat options. I've also seen both low fat mayonnaise and butter made with olive oil. Still, if it's food where you don't HAVE to use those things, just opt for not using them.

[jaguarr]

Guys, is the key to having nice, showy abs doing crunches (with legs elevated) and a good diet to trim off the body fat around the stomach?

It's more diet and cardio than it is doing infinite numbers of crunches. Fish belly! :cmad:

jag

[jaguarr]

Anyway, I'm a bit confused. mayonnaise - yes or no? Butter - yes or no?

Mayonnaise is garbage (and tastes like it, too). I don't know why anyone would even WANT to eat it, but whatever. My advice is to avoid it in all it's forms.

As for butter, it actually does have some health benefits when used in moderation. Margarine on the other hand, well, here's something a friend of mine wrote about margarine:

Margarine was originally manufactured to fatten turkeys.
When it killed the turkeys, the people who had put all the
money into the research wanted a payback so they put
their heads together to figure out what to do with this
product to get their money back.

It was a white substance with no food appeal so they
added the yellow coloring and sold it to people to use in
place of butter.

How do you like it?

They have come out with some clever new flavorings.
DO YOU KNOW...the difference between margarine and
butter?

Read on to the end...gets very interesting!

Both have the same amount of calories. Butter is slightly
higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to 5 grams.
Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women
by 53% over eating the same amount of butter, according
to a recent Harvard Medical Study.

Eating Butter increases the absorption of many other
nutrients in other foods.

Butter has many nutritional benefits where margarine has
a few only because they are added! Butter tastes much better
than margarine and it can enhance the flavors of other foods.
Butter has been around for centuries where margarine has
been around for less than 100 years.

And now, for Margarine... Very high in trans fatty acids.
Triple risk of coronary heart disease.

Increases total cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad cholesterol)
and lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol) Increases
the risk of cancers up to five fold.Lowers quality of breast milk.
Decreases immune response.Decreases insulin response.
And here's the most disturbing fact....

HERE IS THE PART THAT IS VERY INTERESTING!

Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC...
This fact alone was enough to have me avoiding margarine
for life and anything else that is hydrogenated (this means
hydrogen is added, changing the molecular structure of the substance).
You can try this yourself:

Purchase a tub of margarine and leave it in your garage or
shaded area. Within a couple of days you will note a couple
of things:*

No flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it
(that should tell you something) * It does not rot or smell
differently because it has no nutritional value *
Nothing will grow on it.

Even those teeny weenie microorganisms will not a find a
home to grow. Why? Because it is nearly plastic. Would you
melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast?

Margarine is evil.

jag

[kainedamo]

Mayonnaise tastes great I think. And it can come with omega 3, which is good for you.

[Warhammer]

It's more diet and cardio than it is doing infinite numbers of crunches. Fish belly! :cmad:

jag

So if I do some crunches, have a good diet, and run, I'll have those nice showy abs?

And I am NOT a fish belly! :cmad:

Btw, I had no idea that margarine was bad. I always thought that it was better than butter. Damn!

:wow: :eek: :wow:

[Warhammer]

Mayonnaise tastes great I think. And it can come with omega 3, which is good for you.

Mustard is the superior condiment. :o

[jaguarr]

Mayonnaise tastes great I think. And it can come with omega 3, which is good for you.

No.

jag

[jaguarr]

So if I do some crunches, have a good diet, and run, I'll have those nice showy abs?

And I am NOT a fish belly! :cmad:

Btw, I had no idea that margarine was bad. I always thought that it was better than butter. Damn!

:wow: :eek: :wow:

That's a pretty gross oversimplification that doesn't capture the subtleties and nuances of getting your abs to show, but that's the essence of it.

jag

[AndThePickles]

Since pregnancy has been in the air, I thought I'd share a story that I enjoyed from bodybuilding.com:

"I was standing in front of the mirrors in the locker room pulling my hair back and this woman walked in who looked about seven months pregnant, she also looked lost. She smiled at me and I smiled back and she asked me how I liked working out there and said she was checking out the gym, thinking of joining.

I told her it was great - a really great atmosphere. She said, "Well, I won't be joining for a few more months, yet, anyway... but maybe I'll see you around when I do?" I'm a friendly girl so I said, "Sure! So how much longer do you have to go?" I nodded at her stomach.
"Excuse me?"
"Until you have the baby?"
"Uhhhh, I'm not pregnant..." she said.

I felt like the biggest jerk in the whole world. She then went on after an awkward silence to say that was why she was joining the gym in the first place. I apologized profusely and told her I'd do anything I could to help her out if she needed it. She ended up mumbling, "Thanks" and walking out.

She did join the gym and I had to see her ALL the time and she never, ever said a word to me again and went out of her way to avoid me."

[BeatKonducta]

Since pregnancy has been in the air, I thought I'd share a story that I enjoyed from bodybuilding.com:

"I was standing in front of the mirrors in the locker room pulling my hair back and this woman walked in who looked about seven months pregnant, she also looked lost. She smiled at me and I smiled back and she asked me how I liked working out there and said she was checking out the gym, thinking of joining.

I told her it was great - a really great atmosphere. She said, "Well, I won't be joining for a few more months, yet, anyway... but maybe I'll see you around when I do?" I'm a friendly girl so I said, "Sure! So how much longer do you have to go?" I nodded at her stomach.
"Excuse me?"
"Until you have the baby?"
"Uhhhh, I'm not pregnant..." she said.

I felt like the biggest jerk in the whole world. She then went on after an awkward silence to say that was why she was joining the gym in the first place. I apologized profusely and told her I'd do anything I could to help her out if she needed it. She ended up mumbling, "Thanks" and walking out.

She did join the gym and I had to see her ALL the time and she never, ever said a word to me again and went out of her way to avoid me."


awkward!:o:hehe:

[jaguarr]

Off to do legs and shoulders. Today's Music To Squat By is brought to you by Die So Fluid, Jorn and Saint Deamon. :up:

jag

[Superman79]

Greatest story ever Pickles!!! :lmao:

Don't feel bad, frankly she probably deserves what she got, given if she was getting that big of a fupa, then she should have joined the gym MUCH earlier...

[amazingfantasy15]

Since pregnancy has been in the air, I thought I'd share a story that I enjoyed from bodybuilding.com:

"I was standing in front of the mirrors in the locker room pulling my hair back and this woman walked in who looked about seven months pregnant, she also looked lost. She smiled at me and I smiled back and she asked me how I liked working out there and said she was checking out the gym, thinking of joining.

I told her it was great - a really great atmosphere. She said, "Well, I won't be joining for a few more months, yet, anyway... but maybe I'll see you around when I do?" I'm a friendly girl so I said, "Sure! So how much longer do you have to go?" I nodded at her stomach.
"Excuse me?"
"Until you have the baby?"
"Uhhhh, I'm not pregnant..." she said.

I felt like the biggest jerk in the whole world. She then went on after an awkward silence to say that was why she was joining the gym in the first place. I apologized profusely and told her I'd do anything I could to help her out if she needed it. She ended up mumbling, "Thanks" and walking out.

She did join the gym and I had to see her ALL the time and she never, ever said a word to me again and went out of her way to avoid me."

Given the description of what she looked like and the fact that she said she wouldn't be joining for another couple months I don't think the comment was out of line at all. Probably good cause it got the woman to join and start working out faster and probably with more frequency than she would've otherwise.

[AndThePickles]

Greatest story ever Pickles!!! :lmao:

Don't feel bad, frankly she probably deserves what she got, given if she was getting that big of a fupa, then she should have joined the gym MUCH earlier...

You didn't read the opening of the post, it wasn't MY story haha. Got it from the embarrassing gym stories section of bodybuilding.com lol.

[kainedamo]

Worked on my arms today. Arm rows, curls, overhead presses, etc. Can still feel the work on my abs I did yesterday. Gonna work on my abs again tomorrow. Still doing the hour on the bike (first 20 minutes is me leaning down and going hard and fast) each day. Still keeping up the diet. In a few weeks I've only had one cheat meal which was a pizza at the weekend after I took my nephew to the cinema.

I feel fitter. My legs don't hurt as much after I finish on the bike and I feel like I could go much longer if I wanted to. I think I look a LITTLE better, my stomach seems a little tighter and flatter, not as bloated.

How long do ya reckon till I really notice some results? We talkin' months?

[SheldonLevene]

Worked on my arms today. Arm rows, curls, overhead presses, etc. Can still feel the work on my abs I did yesterday. Gonna work on my abs again tomorrow. Still doing the hour on the bike (first 20 minutes is me leaning down and going hard and fast) each day. Still keeping up the diet. In a few weeks I've only had one cheat meal which was a pizza at the weekend after I took my nephew to the cinema.

I feel fitter. My legs don't hurt as much after I finish on the bike and I feel like I could go much longer if I wanted to. I think I look a LITTLE better, my stomach seems a little tighter and flatter, not as bloated.

How long do ya reckon till I really notice some results? We talkin' months?


Good for you man. As far as results you said yourself you can already feel the difference, and while it might be hard to see the difference inside of a few months other people will probably have an easier time telling since they don't see your body everyday. This has happened to me often. I will feel good but feel like I look pretty much the same until I bump into someone that hasn't seen me in a while and they say you look great and such. Keep at it. You sound like you're doing good.

[BeatKonducta]

Good for you man. As far as results you said yourself you can already feel the difference, and while it might be hard to see the difference inside of a few months other people will probably have an easier time telling since they don't see your body everyday. This has happened to me often. I will feel good but feel like I look pretty much the same until I bump into someone that hasn't seen me in a while and they say you look great and such. Keep at it. You sound like you're doing good.

i would say you should see some results within a month to 6 weeks. It really depends on your diet and workout routine. Also, remember to drink plenty of water. That is true Sheldon people will see the difference before you will. They are like you are bigger and stop shooting up lol! I'm like i dont see it.

[Colossal Spoons]

Had a Havanna Chicken Burrito from CalTort for lunch today. It's one of the 2 low-fat ones they have(the worse tasting of the two). Only 10g of fat; most of which comes from the tortilla and some of the chicken :up: Jacked my carbs and protein up too, which I like :D

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/975/infojf8.png

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Aggghhhhh. I want to go to the gym so bad! I think I am actually getting physically ill from not going. :(

[Manic]

Right, so... I got food poisoning. Popular theory is that it came from some tomatoes I ate, but I think it was some badly cooked meat. Anyway, it hit me pretty hard last Saturday, and I've been off my regular diet since then. I've pretty much been drinking juice and ginger ale, eating saltines, having the occasional bowl of Jello, and taking a ton of pills to keep everything down. I haven't been able to go to the gym all week. :( And this was the week I stopped feeling all sore, too :( :(

[Warhammer]

That's a pretty gross oversimplification that doesn't capture the subtleties and nuances of getting your abs to show, but that's the essence of it.

jag

Alright. Well, what kind of cardio would you suggest? Running for thirty minutes each day? May you (or anyone else) give me a basic breakdown that isn't an oversimplification that can get me to my goal?

[Midnight Black]

What's your goal? Sorry I just got here.

I work out everyday and am always trying new things myself in the gym.

Basketball is great for your cardio. I would suggest an elliptical more so than a treadmill.

Also, anyone should look into trying the 300 workout if anyone wants to get cut. It is the workout they used for the actors in the 300 movie.

[Warhammer]

What's your goal? Sorry I just got here.

I work out everyday and am always trying new things myself in the gym.

Basketball is great for your cardio. I would suggest an elliptical more so than a treadmill.

Also, anyone should look into trying the 300 workout if anyone wants to get cut. It is the workout they used for the actors in the 300 movie.

To get nice, showy abs. I do 150 crunches every day. I am trying to change what I eat, so I can get rid of the body fat around my stomach. I have a treadmill, and I decided to start running 30 minutes a day to trim that off.

What more should I do?

[AndThePickles]

Also, anyone should look into trying the 300 workout if anyone wants to get cut. It is the workout they used for the actors in the 300 movie.

Haha, that workout has gotten much discussion in this thread about how awful it is. It's pretty much agreed that it's a horrible workout for any normal person to do...very unhealthy and only used to get those actors into shape quickly.

[Midnight Black]

It really really depends on the diet that is, I would say, 80% of it. I have a chart that I will write down tomorrow for you and post on here after 6pm Central Eastern US time. I'm about to go to bed now.

But eat nuts (any kind), berries, Lean Meat (Turkey, chicken), Fish, peanut butter, etc.

There is a system of what to eat Often, Occasionally, and Rarely. Its called the ABS DIET BULL'S EYE. These are things you should eat Often throughout the week:

[Side note:] Also, remember what you eat today shows up on your body 3 days later, and takes three days to really burn off. I Know you know this, but it is always twice as hard to loose the weight than it is to put it on. Drink at least a 2-3 gallons of water a day.

A-almonds and nuts
B-beans and other legumes
S-Spinach and green vegies

D-dairy
I-instant oatmeal
E-eggs
T-turkey, lean meats, lean steak, chicken, fish

P-peanut butter
O-olives
W-whole grain and cereal
E-extra protein from whey shakes
R-raspberries, and other berries.

[Midnight Black]

Also, use a weighted ab machine if you have access to a gym. That really helps. On the floor crunches really don't contribute unless you do a lot, and you sound like you do.

Use the machine do about 3 sets with 60 pounds or whatever you are comfortable with for about 25 to 30 reps. YOU will really feel it and see results in 2 weeks if done every day.

Also, do some back raises on. Contrary to pop belief it works your lower back and lower abs if you go down slow to stabilize yourself. I do them and my friends think that it only works your lower back and that I'm crazy, but my abs look better and there aren't too many ways to isolate and work the lower abs really good.

Also do some crunches on a declined bench (so you can hold yourself with your legs) with a 6-10 pound ball. Do 20-30, 3 Sets. Holding the ball in front of you (not to far) for half of the reps, and then over your head for the remaining 10 or 15 depending on your total set.
You can also get nasty with it and add some twisting motions from left to right while holding the balls once you feel the burn.

Oh many don't know this. Doing pull ups helps your abs as well.
I can't do pulls up because my arms really can't hold my body weight (195 lbs, at 5'11 1/2) for too long, but if YOU can, do about 15-25.

[Midnight Black]

Haha, that workout has gotten much discussion in this thread about how awful it is. It's pretty much agreed that it's a horrible workout for any normal person to do...very unhealthy and only used to get those actors into shape quickly.

I never do the 300 workout personally. My body is not condition to do that much of a circuit training. However, if you have the endurance it is a good workout. Circuit training is always good. It causes muscle confusion-keeping them guessing and not plateauing, endurance and is good if you are trying to get in and get out. If done properly.

I personally always do 3 set bench. Not too much weight, I go for more reps to build endurance which in turn builds strength, smaller quicker muscle fibers and gives you that cut look.
Then I move onto more arms: curls, forward under pulls, more curls
Shoulders: plate raises, overhead shoulder press, side wing raises
more chest: flies, seated press
Lats and back: lat pulls, two handed plate raises with a 45 lb plate up to my neck and down to my waist.
And then comes Abs. I usually don't do a lot of leg work, maybe calf raises with an inclined squat because I use my legs up by playing 8 or more fast paced games of basketball 21 before.

[Manic]

The 300 workout is the only workout that scares me almost as much as the "high school/college wrestler" workout.

[Midnight Black]

There is a guy at my gym who does parts of it and mixes up the routines and has added his own twist to it so that he isn't overwhelmed by doing it all in one day. He even has his own added workouts.

Yeah, that workout is no punk! If you workout often and are not lifting with very heavy weights, but rather lighter weights with more reps to build endurance over time you it will seem easier to you.

Not even the cast of 300 knocked it out in the first day. If they even did it the way listed at all, but it can be done. It's all about making sure you are hydrated and you are improving your endurance each time you work at it.

I don't go to the gym to max out or see how much I can lift and only do 10 reps. I go for as many reps as I can in each set usually 15-30 depending on the workout.

In my mind there is no sense of having bulky muscle, being swole [black folk slang for huge], or cut if you have no endurance in your arms.

You can get swole, by mainly doing endurance lifting alone. I have seen am witness to it.

[Midnight Black]

What do these numbers have in common?

Sung in songs.

[Manic]

Sung in songs.
Correct! Now can you tell me who sang each song?

[mrvlknight21]

What's your goal? Sorry I just got here.

I work out everyday and am always trying new things myself in the gym.

Basketball is great for your cardio. I would suggest an elliptical more so than a treadmill.

Also, anyone should look into trying the 300 workout if anyone wants to get cut. It is the workout they used for the actors in the 300 movie.

Hey man, I dont know you at all, but based on those last few lines, I am seriously thinking of telling you to get the f out of this thread.

[mrvlknight21]

Also, use a weighted ab machine if you have access to a gym. That really helps. On the floor crunches really don't contribute unless you do a lot, and you sound like you do.

Use the machine do about 3 sets with 60 pounds or whatever you are comfortable with for about 25 to 30 reps. YOU will really feel it and see results in 2 weeks if done every day.

Also, do some back raises on. Contrary to pop belief it works your lower back and lower abs if you go down slow to stabilize yourself. I do them and my friends think that it only works your lower back and that I'm crazy, but my abs look better and there aren't too many ways to isolate and work the lower abs really good.

Also do some crunches on a declined bench (so you can hold yourself with your legs) with a 6-10 pound ball. Do 20-30, 3 Sets. Holding the ball in front of you (not to far) for half of the reps, and then over your head for the remaining 10 or 15 depending on your total set.
You can also get nasty with it and add some twisting motions from left to right while holding the balls once you feel the burn.

Oh many don't know this. Doing pull ups helps your abs as well.
I can't do pulls up because my arms really can't hold my body weight (195 lbs, at 5'11 1/2) for too long, but if YOU can, do about 15-25.

cant do pullups because your arms cant hold your bodyweight?
but you listed a bunch of "arm" exercises that you do while still fresh..right after benching,

and for the 1,000th time in this thread...the 300 workout was not the actors "workout" It was a test they did..like a challenge only a very few times.

Elliptical over the treadmill....LOL...what about real running over both of them?

yeah...I better go to work before I read any more.

[Colossal Spoons]

There is a guy at my gym who does parts of it and mixes up the routines and has added his own twist to it so that he isn't overwhelmed by doing it all in one day. He even has his own added workouts.

Yeah, that workout is no punk! If you workout often and are not lifting with very heavy weights, but rather lighter weights with more reps to build endurance over time you it will seem easier to you.

Not even the cast of 300 knocked it out in the first day. If they even did it the way listed at all, but it can be done. It's all about making sure you are hydrated and you are improving your endurance each time you work at it.

I don't go to the gym to max out or see how much I can lift and only do 10 reps. I go for as many reps as I can in each set usually 15-30 depending on the workout.

In my mind there is no sense of having bulky muscle, being swole [black folk slang for huge], or cut if you have no endurance in your arms.

You can get swole, by mainly doing endurance lifting alone. I have seen am witness to it.

15-30 reps everytime? Ha, you and I are totally opposite lifters. I'm pickin something extremely heavy up 6-8 times, 3 times and then I'm done with it. There's only 1 place I need endurance and it sure as hell ain't in my arms ;)

[hammy]

:hehe:

[Colossal Spoons]

I love that smiley, I should use it more :D

[mrvlknight21]

15-30 reps everytime? Ha, you and I are totally opposite lifters. I'm pickin something extremely heavy up 6-8 times, 3 times and then I'm done with it. There's only 1 place I need endurance and it sure as hell ain't in my arms ;)


Im sure you probably get better results than him too.

Hell, if he wants muscle endurance, there is no need to join a gym really. Pushups, squats and the like are free.
You could get a resistance band for about $20 and never leave the house and get all the muscle endurance you want too.

[mrvlknight21]

The 300 workout is the only workout that scares me almost as much as the "high school/college wrestler" workout.

I could introduce you to a few scrary ones.

[Superman79]

15-30 reps everytime? Ha, you and I are totally opposite lifters. I'm pickin something extremely heavy up 6-8 times, 3 times and then I'm done with it. There's only 1 place I need endurance and it sure as hell ain't in my arms ;)

LOL :up:


and for the 1,000th time in this thread...the 300 workout was not the actors "workout" It was a test they did..like a challenge only a very few times.

Damn right. The 300 workout is not the 'real' thing. That and lest people forget, these guys had trainers, doctors, nutritionists, and chefs working to train them, feed them, and make sure they had nothing to worry about besides eating what was laid in front of them and doing the workouts set up for them.

I don't go to the gym to max out or see how much I can lift and only do 10 reps. I go for as many reps as I can in each set usually 15-30 depending on the workout.

So you work to failure every single set?? :huh:

I understand the benefits to going to failure on occasion to shock the system, but every set every time?? That just seems a bit much to me personally...

Oh many don't know this. Doing pull ups helps your abs as well.
I can't do pulls up because my arms really can't hold my body weight (195 lbs, at 5'11 1/2) for too long, but if YOU can, do about 15-25.

I've seen that as I do pullups, but my question is, (and I am NOT judging or criticizing here...) is it your grip that keeps you from holding on or you just can't do them?? I mean, Ive got about 4 inches and 20 pounds on you and I don't really have a problem doing pullups :huh:
To get nice, showy abs. I do 150 crunches every day. I am trying to change what I eat, so I can get rid of the body fat around my stomach. I have a treadmill, and I decided to start running 30 minutes a day to trim that off.

What more should I do?

Sounds like you're doing well in training, but don't forget regular weight training as well. THe more muscle you have the more total fat you burn. Just watch your diet very closely, drink a LOT of water (gallon+ a day) up your intensity or distance as you get stronger running, and just be patient and do work. :D

Also, I'd vary my abs exercises up a little...do some hanging knee raises, decline bench ball throws, reverse crunches, supermans, cable crunches, ab machines, and such :up:

[AndThePickles]

15-30 reps everytime? Ha, you and I are totally opposite lifters. I'm pickin something extremely heavy up 6-8 times, 3 times and then I'm done with it. There's only 1 place I need endurance and it sure as hell ain't in my arms ;)

Oh my :o :heart:

I love that smiley, I should use it more :D

I'm sure you do, pervy pants!

[BeatKonducta]

I worked my chest and calves this morning, felt really good! I am taking Jags advice and seperating my chest and back day into two days.

today i did
pushups
dumbell presses (regular and incline)
cable flies
calves raises (seated and standing)

My diet is coming along great, i'm on my second week and have lost a pound! I have reduced my caloric intake by around 500 so im taking in about 1800 to 2000 a day in the form of 6 small meals. I started my Fitday account again, it really works wonders. I'm gonna amp up my workout freqency from 2 to 3 times a week to 4 or 5 times that should help me reach my goal.

[mrvlknight21]

LOL :up:


Damn right. The 300 workout is not the 'real' thing. That and lest people forget, these guys had trainers, doctors, nutritionists, and chefs working to train them, feed them, and make sure they had nothing to worry about besides eating what was laid in front of them and doing the workouts set up for them.


So you work to failure every single set?? :huh:

I understand the benefits to going to failure on occasion to shock the system, but every set every time?? That just seems a bit much to me personally...


I've seen that as I do pullups, but my question is, (and I am NOT judging or criticizing here...) is it your grip that keeps you from holding on or you just can't do them?? I mean, Ive got about 4 inches and 20 pounds on you and I don't really have a problem doing pullups :huh:


Sounds like you're doing well in training, but don't forget regular weight training as well. THe more muscle you have the more total fat you burn. Just watch your diet very closely, drink a LOT of water (gallon+ a day) up your intensity or distance as you get stronger running, and just be patient and do work. :D

Also, I'd vary my abs exercises up a little...do some hanging knee raises, decline bench ball throws, reverse crunches, supermans, cable crunches, ab machines, and such :up:


Hey Superman79, that was my point about the pullups too. I am pretty much the exact same size as this guy and dont have issues with pullups.

[jaguarr]

Wow. Some seriously idiotic exercise advice has popped up in here overnight. I'm not even going to address it. Let's just help someone out, instead:

Alright. Well, what kind of cardio would you suggest? Running for thirty minutes each day? May you (or anyone else) give me a basic breakdown that isn't an oversimplification that can get me to my goal?

Start with the link in my sig. It covers diet and cardio, as well as some alternate ab exercises you could try, in addition to some basic weight training information. Honestly, this is going to be 9/10's diet so if I see you making more fast food restaurant threads I'm going to be breaking your balls. :hehe:

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Wow. Some seriously idiotic exercise advice has popped up in here overnight. I'm not even going to address it. Let's just help someone out, instead:



Start with the link in my sig. It covers diet and cardio, as well as some alternate ab exercises you could try, in addition to some basic weight training information. Honestly, this is going to be 9/10's diet so if I see you making more fast food restaurant threads I'm going to be breaking your balls. :hehe:

jag

I started to address some of it, then had to go to work...

and I wondered about that fast food thread in relation to this as well

please rip it to shreds.

[amazingfantasy15]

Hey, what do you guys think about Vitamen Water, good or bad for a runner. I'm starting to drink it after my longer runs (5-7 miles), thinking it's probably better than regular water, but wondering if it's better to drink something else. How it compare to something like gatorade?

[jaguarr]

Hey, what do you guys think about Vitamen Water, good or bad for a runner. I'm starting to drink it after my longer runs (5-7 miles), thinking it's probably better than regular water, but wondering if it's better to drink something else. How it compare to something like gatorade?

Vitamin Water is scientifically designed to part the gullible from their money. You'd actually be better off with Gatorade, but I'm not a fan of those sports drinks as they have so much HFCS in them they should be considered poison. A good BCAA (Branch Chain Amino Acid) mix (I like Scivation Xtend Watermelon flavor) to protect your muscle after a workout with some sort of electrolyte replacement mix added in (there are a bunch of brands available on Bodybuilding.com, so I have no idea which one to recommend to you) would probably be the superior post-workout elixir. Maybe throw some extra L-Glutamine powder in there as well to help protect your CNS and immune systems and aid in recovery.

jag

[AndThePickles]

I don't believe that Vitamin Water even has electrolytes in it. And the vitamins in there aren't exactly impressive lol. If I ever drink it, it's honestly just because it tastes good.

[amazingfantasy15]

Vitamin Water is scientifically designed to part the gullible from their money. You'd actually be better off with Gatorade, but I'm not a fan of those sports drinks as they have so much HFCS in them they should be considered poison. A good BCAA (Branch Chain Amino Acid) mix (I like Scivation Xtend Watermelon flavor) to protect your muscle after a workout with some sort of electrolyte replacement mix added in (there are a bunch of brands available on Bodybuilding.com, so I have no idea which one to recommend to you) would probably be the superior post-workout elixir. Maybe throw some extra L-Glutamine powder in there as well to help protect your CNS and immune systems and aid in recovery.

jag

Good to know, I've only bought it twice because it was the first thing I saw lke that in the store that was already cold. Probably just gonna stick to gatorade since that's what they have at races.

I don't believe that Vitamin Water even has electrolytes in it. And the vitamins in there aren't exactly impressive lol. If I ever drink it, it's honestly just because it tastes good.

I actually thought it tasted kinda nasty, bad aftertaste, the ingredients did show electrolytes though.

[AndThePickles]

I only like certain flavors. Not a big fan of any of those drinks though...I prefer regular, 100% juice. I particularly despise Gatorade.

[Warhammer]

Sounds like you're doing well in training, but don't forget regular weight training as well. THe more muscle you have the more total fat you burn. Just watch your diet very closely, drink a LOT of water (gallon+ a day) up your intensity or distance as you get stronger running, and just be patient and do work. :D

Also, I'd vary my abs exercises up a little...do some hanging knee raises, decline bench ball throws, reverse crunches, supermans, cable crunches, ab machines, and such :up:

I tried doing regular crunches, and then those crunches where you touch your left knee with your right elbow (and vice-versa). I think I need help in controlling my breathing, and not letting my momentum take control instead of enduring the whole crunch.

Start with the link in my sig. It covers diet and cardio, as well as some alternate ab exercises you could try, in addition to some basic weight training information.

Thanks. Your page seems like a great blueprint for me getting into shape, especially the areas about what to eat. That is some amazing detail, jag.

One thing, though. I read from somewhere that working out in the morning before breakfast will help because my body will start to seek energy and burn the stored fats. How much truth comes from that, and is it harmful?

Honestly, this is going to be 9/10's diet so if I see you making more fast food restaurant threads I'm going to be breaking your balls. :hehe:

jag

I started to address some of it, then had to go to work...

and I wondered about that fast food thread in relation to this as well

please rip it to shreds.

:o

Chipotle seems soooo good. But y'all are right. If I want abs, I have to put essentials over my wants. It'll taste good, but it won't help me out, since my goal is based primarily on what I eat. :csad:

[Warhammer]

I only like certain flavors. Not a big fan of any of those drinks though...I prefer regular, 100% juice. I particularly despise Gatorade.

Yeah, I stick with water or Simply juices. The only flavor Vitamin Water (the Glaceau one) I liked was the fruit punch one. The yellow one tastes like old, stale kool-aid, or like a Slurpee that has melted all up.

[Manic]

Good luck finding those abs.

*eats a chicken burrito*

Mmmm. It's like nectar dripping from a goddess' bosom.

[mrvlknight21]

Hey, what do you guys think about Vitamen Water, good or bad for a runner. I'm starting to drink it after my longer runs (5-7 miles), thinking it's probably better than regular water, but wondering if it's better to drink something else. How it compare to something like gatorade?

Not recommended. It has a bunch of sugar in it.

[jaguarr]

Repeat Post. :cmad:

[jaguarr]

Thanks. Your page seems like a great blueprint for me getting into shape, especially the areas about what to eat. That is some amazing detail, jag.

Most people in this day and age simply don't know how to eat properly. They've become reliant on pre-packaged foods, fast food, and all the chemicals and damaging compounds that come with them. Learning to cook for yourself isn't just economically more sound, you'll find that you start to really enjoy the taste of REAL food after awhile instead of the garbage you're used to eating. And there's always your weekly cheat meal to get you through the cravings, anyway. What you're talking about here is a lifestyle change, not just a "hey I want to get abs so I'll tweak what I need to just for that". Cleaning up the way you eat and adding exercise into your lifestyle as something that's just a part of your routine will be something you look back on 20 years from now and be damn glad you did.


One thing, though. I read from somewhere that working out in the morning before breakfast will help because my body will start to seek energy and burn the stored fats. How much truth comes from that, and is it harmful?


Pre-breakfast cardio is a good way to burn past the small store of glucogens you have left in your body after not eating for 8 hours or so while you were sleeping and right to the fatty stores in your body where you'll burn those for fuel instead. About 45-60 minutes of intense pre-breakfast cardio can work wonders for people really working towards fat loss. Any longer than that and you start risking going catabolic, though, where your body starts burning your muscle for fuel instead. You should NEVER do weight training on an empty stomach like that, though. It's much more strenuous activity that really does require some greater glucogen stores to ensure proper muscle recruitment and firing to optimal levels to maximize the benefits of lifting. Definitely recommend getting some complex carbs like oatmeal and some protein like eggs or even a whey shake about an hour before lifting.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Most people in this day and age simply don't know how to eat properly. They've become reliant on pre-packaged foods, fast food, and all the chemicals and damaging compounds that come with them. Learning to cook for yourself isn't just economically more sound, you'll find that you start to really enjoy the taste of REAL food after awhile instead of the garbage you're used to eating. And there's always your weekly cheat meal to get you through the cravings, anyway. What you're talking about here is a lifestyle change, not just a "hey I want to get abs so I'll tweak what I need to just for that". Cleaning up the way you eat and adding exercise into your lifestyle as something that's just a part of your routine will be something you look back on 20 years from now and be damn glad you did.



Pre-breakfast cardio is a good way to burn past the small store of glucogens you have left in your body after not eating for 8 hours or so while you were sleeping and right to the fatty stores in your body where you'll burn those for fuel instead. About 45-60 minutes of intense pre-breakfast cardio can work wonders for people really working towards fat loss. Any longer than that and you start risking going catabolic, though, where your body starts burning your muscle for fuel instead. You should NEVER do weight training on an empty stomach like that, though. It's much more strenuous activity that really does require some greater glucogen stores to ensure proper muscle recruitment and firing to optimal levels to maximize the benefits of lifting. Definitely recommend getting some complex carbs like oatmeal and some protein like eggs or even a whey shake about an hour before lifting.

jag

The bold above was what I was going to say

[jaguarr]

Repeat Post. :(

jag

[jaguarr]

I worked my chest and calves this morning, felt really good! I am taking Jags advice and seperating my chest and back day into two days.

today i did
pushups
dumbell presses (regular and incline)
cable flies
calves raises (seated and standing)

My diet is coming along great, i'm on my second week and have lost a pound! I have reduced my caloric intake by around 500 so im taking in about 1800 to 2000 a day in the form of 6 small meals. I started my Fitday account again, it really works wonders. I'm gonna amp up my workout freqency from 2 to 3 times a week to 4 or 5 times that should help me reach my goal.

I think you'll be happier with that approach. They are large enough muscle groups that they deserve the intensity of their own days.

jag

[Superman79]

I am so damn sick of canned tuna for lunch...:(

Any creative lunch solutions ??(chicken breast is usually dinner)

[Colossal Spoons]

Honestly, this is going to be 9/10's diet so if I see you making more fast food restaurant threads I'm going to be breaking your balls. :hehe:

jag

and I wondered about that fast food thread in relation to this as well

please rip it to shreds.


War just wants to know where's a good place to eat on his cheat day, guys.

War, just nod and agree. Then back up...slowly

[jaguarr]

I am so damn sick of canned tuna for lunch...:(

Any creative lunch solutions ??(chicken breast is usually dinner)

Have you tried tuna that comes in the pouch instead? :hehe:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

On the topic of pre-breakfast cardio. Are you guys talking about a completely empty stomach or at least a whey shake in there?

[jaguarr]

On the topic of pre-breakfast cardio. Are you guys talking about a completely empty stomach or at least a whey shake in there?

Completely empty, save for maybe some BCAA's.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Have you tried tuna that comes in the pouch instead? :hehe:

jag

Have you tried tuna in the pouch? Its great and you can get flavors. Lemon Pepper is my fav.



LOL! Jag is gonna hate me since he thinks I am just repeating what he says. Truly though, I am not. I usually read in order and respond if I come to something I feel that I can respond to. Then, as soon as it posts and I re-read, I will notice Jag's answer. This one was a joke though.

[mrvlknight21]

Completely empty, save for maybe some BCAA's.

jag

Dang youre fast.
Thats what I was going to say.


Oh and as far as ripping someone's post, I was referring to Midnight Black or whoever he was who posted like 5-6 things in a row almost all with substandard advice.

[jaguarr]

<Dan Rather>This just in. It was discovered this afternoon that a parrot in a town in Georgia has been posting regularly on the internet using the moniker "mrvlknight21". His owner, a beautiful but incredibly lonely woman, is said to be pregnant and claims the parrot is the father. Investigators are looking into the situation. More news as it develops.</Dan Rather>

:D

jag

[jaguarr]

Oh and as far as ripping someone's post, I was referring to Midnight Black or whoever he was who posted like 5-6 things in a row almost all with substandard advice.

Yeah, I'm not devoting any time or attention to him. He can keep doing what he's doing for all I care. If he wants to waste his time in the gym, that's his business. Besides, everyone else already gang jumped him.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

<Dan Rather>This just in. It was discovered this afternoon that a parrot in a town in Georgia has been posting regularly on the internet using the moniker "mrvlknight21". His owner, a beautiful but incredibly lonely woman, is said to be pregnant and claims the parrot is the father. Investigators are looking into the situation. More news as it develops.</Dan Rather>

:D

jag

*parrot voice*
Raaa...I love u Jag....raaa.

[jaguarr]

Hahaha! :D

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Hey Jag, I cant help it if we agree on 97.4% of fitness issues and you are faster on the keyboard!

[BeatKonducta]

Have you tried tuna that comes in the pouch instead? :hehe:

jag

Thats was my inbetween lunch/dinner snack. :up:
Less mess to deal with than canned tuna.

[Colossal Spoons]

Completely empty, save for maybe some BCAA's.

jag

Damn, I'd be thinkin about food the whole time :(

[SheldonLevene]

I think you'll be happier with that approach. They are large enough muscle groups that they deserve the intensity of their own days.

jag

Yeah I agree. I do back and bis on the same day. And then on a seperate day do chest and tris. Legs and shoulders together as well.

[Hush]

So I went to GNC and bought 83 dollars worth of restocking two things of protein two L-glutamine and one thing of multivitamins. ****ing ridiculous. The Glutamine was buy one get one free and the protein was buy one getone 50% off, how can you pass that up?

[Colossal Spoons]

Did you get your free goldcard? You spent over $75

Oh God! The brainwashing is coming back :(

[Midnight Black]

Hey man, I dont know you at all, but based on those last few lines, I am seriously thinking of telling you to get the f out of this thread.

First off WHY??? I didn't see the earlier posts 1) and 2) it depends on the person, their goal, what they are currently doing, and are MOST IMPORTANTLY interested in.

Now I am not trying to say, "Hey if you want a body like those guys in 300 this is what it takes or all you have to do." There was makeup shading, movie tricks in addition to these guys being in shape.

However, if anyone is looking for circuit training workouts or a circuit training workout they are working towards, then it is a good one.

Peace, Love, and Hair Grease....ya dig!

[Midnight Black]

cant do pullups because your arms cant hold your bodyweight?
but you listed a bunch of "arm" exercises that you do while still fresh..right after benching,

and for the 1,000th time in this thread...the 300 workout was not the actors "workout" It was a test they did..like a challenge only a very few times.

Elliptical over the treadmill....LOL...what about real running over both of them?

yeah...I better go to work before I read any more.

First off dude.....Yeah, I do a lot of arm workouts and never really do pull ups. You can have muscle mass out of this world, but if you do not work it in ways that affect muscles working together or routine, it will trip you up.

I've seen guys who have big muscles in their arms and can't do that many pull ups. I've seen guys with big muscles in their arms who Can do lots of pull ups. I've seen guys with smaller arm muscles do lots of pull ups, but can't do a lot of weight on other exercises that involve your arms and guys with smaller arm muscles who can.

ITS ALL ABOUT how you condition your muscles, muscle memory. Please take it from a guy who has worked out with Pro-Footballers, Power lifters, who has a fitness guru educating him (i.e him refers to ME) and my fitness expert used to be a pro-body builder and so was his wife and they own their own fitness and vitamin shop, I have worked out with long distance runners, track runners, etc....

Oh and I can do about 12-15 Pull Ups...which is honestly not a lot in one set given my weight (185-190), but then again I do not do it All the time.

Know your stuff. Go in a gym and ask some Guys who can bench Over 225 (on a regular or for their routine) to do a set of Pull Ups and then ask some other guys who routinely do significantly less to do Pull Ups. You WILL get mixed results.....because it depends on what all else they do-and how their muscles are conditioned.

[Colossal Spoons]

Thanks for the resume lol. We'll be in touch, sir.

[Hush]

First off dude.....Yeah, I do a lot of arm workouts and never really do pull ups. You can have muscle mass out of this world, but if you do not work it in ways that affect muscles working together or routine, it will trip you up.

I've seen guys who have big muscles in their arms and can't do that many pull ups. I've seen guys with big muscles in their arms who Can do lots of pull ups. I've seen guys with smaller arm muscles do lots of pull ups, but can't do a lot of weight on other exercises that involve your arms and guys with smaller arm muscles who can.

ITS ALL ABOUT how you condition your muscles, muscle memory. Please take it from a guy who has worked out with Pro-Footballers, Power lifters, who has a fitness guru educating him (i.e him refers to ME) and my fitness expert used to be a pro-body builder and so was his wife and they own their own fitness and vitamin shop, I have worked out with long distance runners, track runners, etc....

Oh and I can do about 12-15 Pull Ups...which is honestly not a lot in one set given my weight (185-190), but then again I do not do it All the time.

Know your stuff. Go in a gym and ask some Guys who can bench Over 225 (on a regular or for their routine) to do a set of Pull Ups and then ask some other guys who routinely do significantly less to do Pull Ups. You WILL get mixed results.....because it depends on what all else they do-and how their muscles are conditioned.


We don't come here to gloat we come here for advice, since you are the best apparently at what you do and do not need our advice you can simply leave. This would save us the horrible task of speaking with you. Have a good day.


Oh and Spoons I did not get my free gold card, i figure i dont need it since i run out of protein at the end of the month not begining.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, and you'd rather eat bugs that buy protein in advance lol :p

[jaguarr]

First off WHY??? I didn't see the earlier posts 1) and 2) it depends on the person, their goal, what they are currently doing, and are MOST IMPORTANTLY interested in.

Now I am not trying to say, "Hey if you want a body like those guys in 300 this is what it takes or all you have to do." There was makeup shading, movie tricks in addition to these guys being in shape.

However, if anyone is looking for circuit training workouts or a circuit training workout they are working towards, then it is a good one.

Peace, Love, and Hair Grease....ya dig!

I find it interesting that you're running around recommending a workout that you have never done yourself to people:

I never do the 300 workout personally. My body is not condition to do that much of a circuit training. However, if you have the endurance it is a good workout.

Amazing that your body is not built for endurance after all that talking up of how importance endurance is in the muscles over short-fire mass and strength. :)


I don't go to the gym to max out or see how much I can lift and only do 10 reps. I go for as many reps as I can in each set usually 15-30 depending on the workout.

In my mind there is no sense of having bulky muscle, being swole [black folk slang for huge], or cut if you have no endurance in your arms.

You can get swole, by mainly doing endurance lifting alone. I have seen am witness to it.


Not to mention the fact that you are confusing the TEST that the 300 guys did on a few occasions to gauge their fitness level with what actually constituted their daily workouts. The 300 Workout as you understand it and seem to recommend even though you have never done it yourself is a freeway of the Autobahn variety straight to overtraining. Get one of your trainers to explain why that is to you. :up:

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Hmm....the way you guys responded to Midnight kind of makes me smile.

:yay::cwink:

[Colossal Spoons]

^Hey, we gotta regulate the amount of testosterone in this thread, it's not that big :(

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I caught MIdnight's first couple of posts the other day and then I check back in today to see what's going on and suddenly he seems to be not on our favorite persons list.

Anyway, I hope to be back into the gym on Monday and back in the swing of things. :up:

Hopefully my neck/head will feel better and I can make it back into the gym as long as I am all healed up :up:

[jaguarr]

Go slow and easy with it, Bah. Absolutely no sense rushing back into it only to EFF yourself up again.

jag

[Hush]

Yeah, and you'd rather eat bugs that buy protein in advance lol :p

Thing is I have a set schedule around my pay period but i thought ahead this time, oh and it depends on what kind of bugs they are. lol :p

[jaguarr]

Thing is I have a set schedule around my pay period but i thought ahead this time, oh and it depends on what kind of bugs they are. lol :p

Mealworms are supposed to be uber high in protein.

jag

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Go slow and easy with it, Bah. Absolutely no sense rushing back into it only to EFF yourself up again.

jag


I know, I just miss the gym. First it was my back, then the car accident. Sucks, I know it is just overall trying to tell my body something. I will see where I am at, but my back feels like 90-95% at least and my neck feels a lot better. But that is what I am most worried about.

So come sunday/monday morning I will see where I am at. Just sucks being out of the gym for almost three weeks. :down

How is everyone else's workouts going?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Mealworms are supposed to be uber high in protein.

jag

I've heard tapeworms do wonders for losing weight too.

[Midnight Black]

First OFF I do not mean to gloat and apologize sincerely to anyone who took it that way. My post was directed to the guy I quoted and others who do not agree or have said some opposing (yet honestly funny) things to my post to Warhammer. This is my routine at the moment and is working well. I have done other routines even some that others have said on here. I am not saying my routine is better...I was simply offering my advice for him to try. If he doesn't like it after 2 or 3 weeks then he can try something else.

My workout is not the best....there is no BEST workout. The 300 thing was something for him to reference and try, or some parts of it or work it into his routine. NOTHING is etched in stone....

Yes, of course running for however many miles and trying to go further and faster gradually each time is better than using machines *duh*. I know that, you know that...I assumed he knew that cause he already runs. I was just telling him that ellipticals are pretty useful in working your cardio, legs, and lower sides of your abdomen.

I've seen many different workouts and just told him what I am doing now. Next month it may change to more weight and less reps or pyramiding, whatever I chose. I am just giving him an idea because I am seeing results after about 3 weeks. Oh and I don't really go to failure..I know my limit on certain exercises so I go to that..its just I do many reps in my exercises.

To ME 15 or so pull ups isn't a lot. And may not be to you as well. My goal is about 25 to 30, beasting it! So when I say I can not really support my body weight that is what I mean.

Once again sorry if it seemed like I was gloating I just wanted to show that I have been involved in many different types of workouts and have been given some info from some good people who professionally train for a living, as many of you have.

Do what you feel is right for you and mix it up from time to time to try different things.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

First OFF I do not mean to gloat and apologize sincerely to anyone who took it that way. My post was directed to the guy I quoted and others who do not agree or have said some opposing (yet honestly funny) things to my post to Warhammer. This is my routine at the moment and is working well. I have done other routines even some that others have said on here. I am not saying my routine is better...I was simply offering my advice for him to try. If he doesn't like it after 2 or 3 weeks then he can try something else.

My workout is not the best....there is no BEST workout. The 300 thing was something for him to reference and try, or some parts of it or work it into his routine. NOTHING is etched in stone....

Yes, of course running for however many miles and trying to go further and faster gradually each time is better than using machines *duh*. I know that, you know that...I assumed he knew that cause he already runs. I was just telling him that ellipticals are pretty useful in working your cardio, legs, and lower sides of your abdomen.

I've seen many different workouts and just told him what I am doing now. Next month it may change to more weight and less reps or pyramiding, whatever I chose. I am just giving him an idea because I am seeing results after about 3 weeks. Oh and I don't really go to failure..I know my limit on certain exercises so I go to that..its just I do many reps in my exercises.

To ME 15 or so pull ups isn't a lot. And may not be to you as well. My goal is about 25 to 30, beasting it! So when I say I can not really support my body weight that is what I mean.

Once again sorry if it seemed like I was gloating I just wanted to show that I have been involved in many different types of workouts and have been given some info from some good people who professionally train for a living, as many of you have.

Do what you feel is right for you and mix it up from time to time to try different things.

Regardless of what YOU may think, 15 pull ups is a lot. Anyone that can perform 15 straight pull ups has a decent amount of upper body/back strength.

I don't have anything against you personally, haven't seen more than your first two posts and the last couple, but it seems you have offended/bothered my fellow fitness thread hypsters and that I do not appreciate. I know they wouldn't all be bothered by you if you weren't doing something to irk them.

That said, they also won't hold a grudge, just let it be known that no one here will recommend the 300 workout to anyone, ever. None of us like it, nor do any of us care how strong anyone is or how much anyone can bench.

We are very supportive of everyone here (with the exception of Kaine. JK Kaine) and only try to compete against ourselves. Maybe you have good intentions but just came off the wrong way.

[Hush]

The thing with the 300 work out is that everyone wants to look like Gerard and dont realize that he worked with a brazillian body builder and did some circuit training as well. He also had a constant pump when he was filming, he would do sets of bench during shooting breaks. While Circuit training can be good if that is what you are looking for, to the average person it is retarded and way over doing it.

[mrvlknight21]

First OFF I do not mean to gloat and apologize sincerely to anyone who took it that way. My post was directed to the guy I quoted and others who do not agree or have said some opposing (yet honestly funny) things to my post to Warhammer. This is my routine at the moment and is working well. I have done other routines even some that others have said on here. I am not saying my routine is better...I was simply offering my advice for him to try. If he doesn't like it after 2 or 3 weeks then he can try something else.

My workout is not the best....there is no BEST workout. The 300 thing was something for him to reference and try, or some parts of it or work it into his routine. NOTHING is etched in stone....

Yes, of course running for however many miles and trying to go further and faster gradually each time is better than using machines *duh*. I know that, you know that...I assumed he knew that cause he already runs. I was just telling him that ellipticals are pretty useful in working your cardio, legs, and lower sides of your abdomen.

I've seen many different workouts and just told him what I am doing now. Next month it may change to more weight and less reps or pyramiding, whatever I chose. I am just giving him an idea because I am seeing results after about 3 weeks. Oh and I don't really go to failure..I know my limit on certain exercises so I go to that..its just I do many reps in my exercises.

To ME 15 or so pull ups isn't a lot. And may not be to you as well. My goal is about 25 to 30, beasting it! So when I say I can not really support my body weight that is what I mean.

Once again sorry if it seemed like I was gloating I just wanted to show that I have been involved in many different types of workouts and have been given some info from some good people who professionally train for a living, as many of you have.

Do what you feel is right for you and mix it up from time to time to try different things.

Its cool man.
And yes, if you can get 25-30 pullups, that is beastly. If you get 15 now, that is a good, respectable number. I would argue that most guys in the gym cannot do that. (did you know pullups cure cancer? LOL-sorry, inside joke).

Glad you are getting results!
Train hard!

[Hush]

Its cool man.
And yes, if you can get 25-30 pullups, that is beastly. If you get 15 now, that is a good, respectable number. I would argue that most guys in the gym cannot do that. (did you know pullups cure cancer? LOL-sorry, inside joke).

Glad you are getting results!
Train hard!

You sounded like Goku in that last line, lol.

[Midnight Black]

Regardless of what YOU may think, 15 pull ups is a lot. Anyone that can perform 15 straight pull ups has a decent amount of upper body/back strength.

I don't have anything against you personally, haven't seen more than your first two posts and the last couple, but it seems you have offended/bothered my fellow fitness thread hypsters and that I do not appreciate. I know they wouldn't all be bothered by you if you weren't doing something to irk them.

That said, they also won't hold a grudge, just let it be known that no one here will recommend the 300 workout to anyone, ever. None of us like it, nor do any of us care how strong anyone is or how much anyone can bench.

We are very supportive of everyone here (with the exception of Kaine. JK Kaine) and only try to compete against ourselves. Maybe you have good intentions but just came off the wrong way.

Greatly appreciate...and I think it was the whole 300 that flagged people's concern. To clarify...I have done it more than twice not all the sets and reps, but have tried and improved a lil each time because of the other workouts that I regularly do. BUT I am not conditioned in the aspect of running through the workout, though exhausted and feeling the burn, completing every aspect of it is my definition. I have not done that.

I have added parts of it to my circuit training. Which I alternate between days of regular lifting and circuit, to confuse my muscles and shock them in the sense.

I recommended that he try it to see what he can do, and then add to his workout what he liked or not do it at all. But I do think he should throw some circuit training in his workout depending on his goal and what type of muscle fibers he wants to build.

I offered a diet for him as well. This was just my opinion. If you were to really know me I am the kinda person who doesn't mind taking advice more than offering it, I am humble in that way, unless the opportunity arises and someone is generally wanting some input.

with that...I like Propel from gatorade rather than, glasceau, vitamin water, or regular gatorade when I have the choice. For the most part I use Creation mixed with water, and some other supplements and vitamins. Gatorade has High fructose corn syrup which is not that good for you, Check it out; although it replenishes the electrolytes.

If you have some advice pass it along I am not opposed to taking it for my diet or work out, but please do not think that one person's training or advice is [for lack of a better word] dumber than another's if you have not tried it. I have not knocked anyone's suggestions and believe that there are some good tips made from my opposers.

[AndThePickles]

^Hey, we gotta regulate the amount of testosterone in this thread, it's not that big :(

The amount of testosterone isn't that big, or the thread isn't that big? Because I'd say there's testosterone overload in this place :o

[Hush]

I'd just say that you are too low in testoterone pickles. lol

[AndThePickles]

I'd just say that you are too low in testoterone pickles. lol

Haha, well I should hope so! Bring your woman around so we can estrogen up the place :o

[Midnight Black]

Oh.....and another reason I do many reps in my workout, rather than going for the heavy weight and lifting it like 6-10 times is because. I have been told, though received mixed reviews, that if you do many reps for your muscles and condition them and build endurance then if you stop working out for awhile for whatever reason they dissipate or loose muscles mass slower than if you just lift big and do less reps.

Not sure if true, but I am trying this workout because things come up and I loose days sometimes a week or so without going to the gym. I have been doing this particular workout since late March early April.

What are ya's thoughts.

[AndThePickles]

Oh.....and another reason I do many reps in my workout, rather than going for the heavy weight and lifting it like 6-10 times is because. I have been told, though received mixed reviews, that if you do many reps for your muscles and condition them and build endurance then if you stop working out for awhile for whatever reason they dissipate or loose muscles mass slower than if you just lift big and do less reps.

Not sure if true, but I am trying this workout because things come up and I loose days sometimes a week or so without going to the gym. I have been doing this particular workout since late March early April.

What are ya's thoughts.

I'm not sure about the loss of muscle mass over time, but from what I've been told, more reps = long, leaner muscles. You won't put on the kind of bulk in the same time you could by lifting heavier weights with shorter reps. It depends on the physical appearance you're going for.

[SheldonLevene]

*Injects thread with more man juice.* Had a really good back/bi/ab workout today. I've been doing drop sets (not sure if that's what they're called) on curls using DB's going from 40x10 to 30x12 to 20x15 and it's been working pretty good. I don't know if this is a widely done thing or even if I'm doing it right, but since I started pullups and my rows have become a bit easier.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Overall from my understanding it is hard to lose muscle mass quickly, although it depends on how long you have been working out, how good of shape you are in, your maintaining diet, if you run or do any type of cardio work even if you are not lifting and genetics.

All of these play factors in how quickly you lose muscle mass. But from what I hear it is generally 2-1. It takes you twice as long to get back to where you were times the amount of time you were out.

[Hush]

Why not just keep working out?

[jaguarr]

Oh.....and another reason I do many reps in my workout, rather than going for the heavy weight and lifting it like 6-10 times is because. I have been told, though received mixed reviews, that if you do many reps for your muscles and condition them and build endurance then if you stop working out for awhile for whatever reason they dissipate or loose muscles mass slower than if you just lift big and do less reps.

Not sure if true, but I am trying this workout because things come up and I loose days sometimes a week or so without going to the gym. I have been doing this particular workout since late March early April.

What are ya's thoughts.

That's absolute nonsense. The number of reps and amount of weight you are doing won't effect muscle mass loss if you take time off. It doesn't make the muscle mass grow any differently or change how it atrophies should you take time off. Muscle mass is muscle mass and atrophy will depend on overall fitness level and health, diet, and body composition.

As a VERY general rule of thumb:

2-6 Reps Per Set = Primarily strength building with some hypertrophy
6-10 Reps Per Set = Primarily Hypertrophy training
10-12 Reps Per Set = Primarily endurance training and "finishing" (or shaping/toning) of the muscle
12+ Reps Per Set = Overtraining

jag

[Midnight Black]

I'm not sure about the loss of muscle mass over time, but from what I've been told, more reps = long, leaner muscles. You won't put on the kind of bulk in the same time you could by lifting heavier weights with shorter reps. It depends on the physical appearance you're going for.

Yeah, I am going for leaner quicker muscle, with definition and size. I don't want to be Bulky big, like a strong man, or even like a body builder type. I have more of a Tyson (the model) or Pitt in Troy, type of body frame, and size [hated making those analogies couldn't think of better], though I am not as toned and big.

I live in Indianapolis and used to workout with my younger cousin and David Thorton who played for the Colts as linebacker. He got me on doing more reps and less weight. He told me by the 3rd quarter Line Men and such were tired and had fatigue in their muscles, but he was refreshed. He never really did heavy weight when we went to the gym and would work out twice a day sometimes 3, even though he could.

Sorry if that sounded like a name drop or resume....I just wanted ya to get a sense of where I am coming from....

[Midnight Black]

That's absolute nonsense. The number of reps and amount of weight you are doing won't effect muscle mass loss if you take time off. It doesn't make the muscle mass grow any differently or change how it atrophies should you take time off. Muscle mass is muscle mass and atrophy will depend on overall fitness level and health, diet, and body composition.

As a VERY general rule of thumb:

2-6 Reps Per Set = Primarily strength building with some hypertrophy
6-10 Reps Per Set = Primarily Hypertrophy training
10-12 Reps Per Set = Primarily endurance training and "finishing" (or shaping/toning) of the muscle
12+ Reps Per Set = Overtraining

jag

To clarify, I usually go between 15-20 depending on the weight* for any upper body exercise. On the ab machine I do 25-30 reps of about 65-70lbs of 3 sets, and do 5 additional alternating ab exercises after the ab machine. I always do the ab machine after chest, arms, traps, some back, and shoulder.

I have done what you have recommend and will go back to it in a month or two; as well as mix it in to my work out [alternating days] like I am doing now. I never though, do a weight to where I can only do about 2-6 reps.
I will try it for 3 weeks and see whats good.

Why not just keep working out?

Things come up like work, family, son , activities or whatever else sometimes laziness, though not often as I am usually in the gym M-F faithfully and weekends occasionally, but not all the times. I rest and then sometimes laziness kicks in from resting all day Sunday and carries over to Tuesday, Wed, etc... you get the point.

But I just wanted to know what ya thought.

[NickSox]

*Injects thread with more man juice.* Had a really good back/bi/ab workout today. I've been doing drop sets (not sure if that's what they're called) on curls using DB's going from 40x10 to 30x12 to 20x15 and it's been working pretty good. I don't know if this is a widely done thing or even if I'm doing it right, but since I started pullups and my rows have become a bit easier.

Im not sure what its called either but i throw those in randomly with curls and tricep pulldowns. When I do them I do them to finish off that part for the day.

[Midnight Black]

Im not sure what its called either but i throw those in randomly with curls and tricep pulldowns. When I do them I do them to finish off that part for the day.

Yeah its called pyramiding. That's what I do either go up in weight with less reps, or down in weight with more reps. I usually choose the first, but depends on what I feel like.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Crappity Crap crap crap. I miss the gym. :(

Can I live vicariously through your guy's workouts?

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm going as soon as the delivery guy gets here w/ my repaired XBox :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Nice :up:

Ours just crapped out at work. :down. But MS is fixing it for free :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Mine was like 1 year past warranty. $99 :down:

[Hush]

Did it 3 lights of death on you Spoons?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Mine was like 1 year past warranty. $99 :down:


You didn't get the full circle? We didn't either at work but they still are fixing it for free.

[Superman79]

So I have to take a moment to brag about my new personal bests in my chest workout yesterday, I'm now repping with 100's on DB bench and 95's on DB incline :D

[Hush]

Good stuff Superman! I wish I had the facilities to get up to that high a number in those lifts. Oh and Bah you can live through my work out which will be happening in about 30 minutes!

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, DB's rarely go past 120 at the gyms I've been too :down:

[mrvlknight21]

So I have to take a moment to brag about my new personal bests in my chest workout yesterday, I'm now repping with 100's on DB bench and 95's on DB incline :D

Thats damn good in my opinion bro.
Most I ever got on flat bench was 100s for 1 really ugly rep. Strangely, I could get 95s for 3 sets of 6.

95s on incline is very very good imo. I really struggle w/ weight on incline. I think my upper chest/shoulders is weaker than my lower chest (if thats even possible).

[Superman79]

We go up to 130 at my gym...course, it'll be a few more months before I can rep those...my damn long arms make it twice as hard :(

Good stuff Superman! I wish I had the facilities to get up to that high a number in those lifts. Oh and Bah you can live through my work out which will be happening in about 30 minutes!

Thats damn good in my opinion bro.
Most I ever got on flat bench was 100s for 1 really ugly rep. Strangely, I could get 95s for 3 sets of 6.

95s on incline is very very good imo. I really struggle w/ weight on incline. I think my upper chest/shoulders is weaker than my lower chest (if thats even possible).

Thanks guys...its always nice to have encouragement :D

[mrvlknight21]

Speaking of heavy dumbbells, I know a guy who found 2 85lb dumbbells, 2 95 lb dumbbells, 1 100lb dumbbell, 1 105 lb dumbbell, 1 110lb dumbbell,and a 150 lb dumbbell in the freaking TRASH!
Like hitting the dumbbell lottery! I would love to have that collection (for free no less)!

[mrvlknight21]

You know, why would anyone throw perfectly good weights away??? I mean, if you are too lazy to use them, sell them or something! Donate them to a small gym for people to use. Why would anyone throw them away? They are weights..its not like they can quit working!

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, free weights sound amazing!

[mrvlknight21]

And we arent talking cheap adjustables either!

[Manic]

They weren't rusted over, were they? That's the only way I could see someone throwing out dumbbells.

[mrvlknight21]

They weren't rusted over, were they? That's the only way I could see someone throwing out dumbbells.

Nope. But even if they had SOME rust, wd-40 and paint would fix that right up.

[Superman79]

Wow...talk about your blind luck...

[mrvlknight21]

Wow...talk about your blind luck...

Well it wasnt completely blind luck, someone told him that they saw them in the trash. So, he had a tip, but fully expected to find some of the plastic coated women's (thats what I call them) dumbbells in like 3 or 5 lb sizes. To his surprise it was the complete opposite!
(they told him b/c he is a trainer and knew he might be interested).

[jaguarr]

So I have to take a moment to brag about my new personal bests in my chest workout yesterday, I'm now repping with 100's on DB bench and 95's on DB incline :D

Awesome, man. Continual improvement and beating your previous bests is what it's all about! :up:

Hey, Bah! I'm doing back and bi's today. Still haven't decided whether I'll do some heavy deads or some heavy power cleans today (I rarely do both on back day). We'll see what I feel like, later.

jag

[jaguarr]

Speaking of heavy dumbbells, I know a guy who found 2 85lb dumbbells, 2 95 lb dumbbells, 1 100lb dumbbell, 1 105 lb dumbbell, 1 110lb dumbbell, 1 150 dumbbell and a 150 lb dumbbell in the freaking TRASH!
Like hitting the dumbbell lottery! I would love to have that collection (for free no less)!

He should tell the trash collectors that they owe him one. :hehe: My trash guys hate me when I bag my lawn clippings. I get these big-ass lawn bags from Costco and load them up so they weigh a good 85 pounds apiece. I can lift them and move them around just fine but the trash guys always struggle with them. They should be glad I mulch most of the time. :D

jag

[Mario_Galaxy]

I don't know how,but after taking a week off from swimming and the gym to go on vacation,I feel incredible. I feel faster in the water than before I left,and my split jerks felt amazing the other day. :up:

[mrvlknight21]

He should tell the trash collectors that they owe him one. :hehe: My trash guys hate me when I bag my lawn clippings. I get these big-ass lawn bags from Costco and load them up so they weigh a good 85 pounds apiece. I can lift them and move them around just fine but the trash guys always struggle with them. They should be glad I mulch most of the time. :D

jag

Thats pretty funny. I picture the trash guys pulling up and seeing the bags and cursing you and throwing little fits.
"These damn big ass heavy bags again! I hate this mfer!"

LOL!

[jaguarr]

I don't know how,but after taking a week off from swimming and the gym to go on vacation,I feel incredible. I feel faster in the water than before I left,and my split jerks felt amazing the other day. :up:

A week off from training every 8-12 weeks, regardless of what you're training for, can work wonders. Lets your body heal up and rest. :up:

jag

[mrvlknight21]

A week off from training every 8-12 weeks, regardless of what you're training for, can work wonders. Lets your body heal up and rest. :up:

jag

I agree. I remember when I didnt take ANY time off for months. Then I took a week off and I swear, felt fresher and stronger by the end of that week. I also got more positive comments about my physique than usual that week strangely.

[jaguarr]

Thats pretty funny. I picture the trash guys pulling up and seeing the bags and cursing you and throwing little fits.
"These damn big ass heavy bags again! I hate this mfer!"

LOL!

At the old house, one of them got pissed off enough to come to the front door to complain after struggling with one of the lawn bags. I was working from home that day and saw him throwing a hissy fit and stomping around, cursing. From my home office I could see that he was going to rip me a new a-hole when I answered the door, just from the look on his face. I was wearing a tank-top that day and when I answered the door and asked him what he wanted, his entire demeanor changed when he saw me standing there. I was apparently much bigger than he had imagined I was going to be in his mind. "Oh...um, hi, sir. I was wondering if we might be able to ask you not to load up your lawn bags so heavy. They're a bit too heavy for us sometimes. Thanks!" He looked like he might bolt for the truck at any moment. LOL! I said "I'll see what I can do." and he high-tailed it out of there. I just kind of chuckled to myself thinking "Did you really think you were going to b***h out the guy who loaded those lawn bags you're having so much trouble with and hauled them from the back yard to the front curb? Didn't it occur to you that he might not be a skinny little runt?" Haha! It made me think of that line from "Real Genius" where the a-hole professor comes home to find the contractors working on his home standing around and he goes "I'm not paying you to stand around. You are laborers, so labor! That's what you GET for not having an education!" :elitistprick: :funny:

jag

[Hush]

I just laughed my ass off Jag, thank you oh so much for that! I would say your the kinda guy i would love to have a beer with but since that stuff is from the devil ill say lets have a glass of OJ togethor. lol :p

[jaguarr]

Oh, no. I'll enjoy a pint of Guinness or three now and again. Mostly on my weeks off from training. :up:

jag

[AndThePickles]

I just laughed my ass off Jag, thank you oh so much for that! I would say your the kinda guy i would love to have a beer with but since that stuff is from the devil ill say lets have a glass of OJ togethor. lol :p

OJ with peach schnapps, or OJ with vodka? :o

[Hush]

Oh, no. I'll enjoy a pint of Guinness or three now and again. Mostly on my weeks off from training. :up:

jag

Ahh I see there is a real human behind the facade of the grizzled Powerlifter.

OJ with peach schnapps, or OJ with vodka? :o

Maybe for you mere woman, but I am a pure Oj drinker!

[kainedamo]

How many rounds of brown bread do you think is okay to have in one day?

[jaguarr]

How many rounds of brown bread do you think is okay to have in one day?

Twenty. But not really. :o

jag

[jaguarr]

Ahh I see there is a real human behind the facade of the grizzled Powerlifter.


I am not an animal! I am...a human being! :cmad: (Maybe. :o ).

jag

[NickSox]

I did chest tri today. I hit a personal best with skullcrushers doing 3x6 with 40 on each side. When I started working out in december doing 20 on each side was tough. Ive also moved up quite a bit on curls. Im having trouble moving up with bench but two weeks ago switched to doing chest with all barbells. I'm liking it alot better and am hoping to see better results. Would it hurt to throw in push ups everyday since I've been lacking big results on chest?

[SheldonLevene]

I did chest tri today. I hit a personal best with skullcrushers doing 3x6 with 40 on each side. When I started working out in december doing 20 on each side was tough. Ive also moved up quite a bit on curls. Im having trouble moving up with bench but two weeks ago switched to doing chest with all barbells. I'm liking it alot better and am hoping to see better results. Would it hurt to throw in push ups everyday since I've been lacking big results on chest?


My personal opinion would be that doing pushups every day would be too much, but let one of these other guys answer as well. I also think your chest is not improving as fast as the arms because while say triceps are included in bench chest is not included in something like say a tricep pulldown with a rope or something. Just a possible answer.

[mrvlknight21]

I did chest tri today. I hit a personal best with skullcrushers doing 3x6 with 40 on each side. When I started working out in december doing 20 on each side was tough. Ive also moved up quite a bit on curls. Im having trouble moving up with bench but two weeks ago switched to doing chest with all barbells. I'm liking it alot better and am hoping to see better results. Would it hurt to throw in push ups everyday since I've been lacking big results on chest?

I would say no. Except maybe just to wake up or maybe as part of a conditioning routine. Sounds like your chest may actually need more rest, not a bunch of more work. I love pushups and yes, you could do them everyday, but based on what you just typed (sounds like you want to get bigger), I would say no. Keep the weight high, reps low and eat plenty of good food and get plenty of rest.

[jaguarr]

I did chest tri today. I hit a personal best with skullcrushers doing 3x6 with 40 on each side. When I started working out in december doing 20 on each side was tough. Ive also moved up quite a bit on curls. Im having trouble moving up with bench but two weeks ago switched to doing chest with all barbells. I'm liking it alot better and am hoping to see better results. Would it hurt to throw in push ups everyday since I've been lacking big results on chest?

Chest is a hard one to prompt growth out of for a lot of people. In a lot of instances where this is the case with guys I've helped, I've discovered that their form was off and they were really using more of their deltoid chain or tricep group to pull off the lift (or both) than they were their chest. You've really got to focus on form and the mind-muscle connection with the chest. What does your current chest routine look like?

jag

[NickSox]

Thanks guys. I think Sheldon had a good point about the chest not really gettin hit unless your doin chest. I'll stick with what I've been doing and not add in the push ups everyday. It's just been fun watching my body change and people notice. Now I'm getting a little too anxious so I'll let the ol boobs come along with the work im doing!

[Super Kal]

for those who are wondering where I went, I'm still here... I did stop for a while because the stress from work and life was so extreme that it got... let's just put it this way, it got really bad... but I'm starting to make myself get back into it.

[NickSox]

Chest is a hard one to prompt growth out of for a lot of people. In a lot of instances where this is the case with guys I've helped, I've discovered that their form was off and they were really using more of their deltoid chain or tricep group to pull off the lift (or both) than they were their chest. You've really got to focus on form and the mind-muscle connection with the chest. What does your current chest routine look like?

jag

Today I did 3x6 flat barbell bench with 70lb bells
3x6 incline bench with 60lb bells
3x6 cable flys with 50 on each side
and some incline bench machine with 2 45lb plates on each side

Any advice?

[jaguarr]

One other thing you can do is back the weight off just a little bit and really focus on the form. A lot of guys use more weight than they should for chest and it forces improper form and recruitment of muscles other than the chest such as deltoids and tri's as I'd mentioned before. That might bring some results out in your chest work as well.

jag

[NickSox]

One other thing you can do is back the weight off just a little bit and really focus on the form. A lot of guys use more weight than they should for chest and it forces improper form and recruitment of muscles other than the chest such as deltoids and tri's as I'd mentioned before. That might bring some results out in your chest work as well.

jag

Ill actually give that a shot next week. I'll see if I notice my form being any different than when I use more weight. God I love this thread!

[jaguarr]

Today I did 3x6 flat barbell bench with 70lb bells
3x6 incline bench with 60lb bells
3x6 cable flys with 50 on each side
and some incline bench machine with 2 45lb plates on each side

Any advice?

I prefer DB flyes to cable flys, personally. Teaches better balance and employs the smaller supporting muscles, which can help bring the chest out more.

Weighted Dips, leaning forward and elbows out to put focus on the chest instead of that machine thing.

Cross-Bench Dumbell Pullovers on tricep day; in addition to being a hellacious tricep workout, these expand the ribcage and bring out the pectoral muscles. Kind of a sneaky trick to getting a bigger chest without working your chest.

jag

[jaguarr]

for those who are wondering where I went, I'm still here... I did stop for a while because the stress from work and life was so extreme that it got... let's just put it this way, it got really bad... but I'm starting to make myself get back into it.

We're going to be calling you by your old name of Kaka Rot until you get yourself back on track, young man. :hehe: It can be hard to stick to your guns and keep your diet and routine in check when you're stressed out or time limited, but it can also become a great tool for managing all that stress by acting as a bit of a steam valve as well, so don't give up on it if your'e going through a rough time. Embrace it instead. Do work, Kal. :up:

jag

[NickSox]

I prefer DB flyes to cable flys, personally. Teaches better balance and employs the smaller supporting muscles, which can help bring the chest out more.

Weighted Dips, leaning forward and elbows out to put focus on the chest instead of that machine thing.

Cross-Bench Dumbell Pullovers on tricep day; in addition to being a hellacious tricep workout, these expand the ribcage and bring out the pectoral muscles. Kind of a sneaky trick to getting a bigger chest without working your chest.

jag

Those cross bench guys sound like a real good trick. Ill check them out on i think it's called fitday.com to see how those are done. And I usually do dips I just swapped them out today for that machine for some reason. Thanks for the help bro. Hows the little guy doin? Havent heard an update for a while.

[Superman79]

You've really got to focus on form and the mind-muscle connection with the chest.

:up:

I found that doing 90% of my chest work with dumb bells as opposed to barbells really helped me.

[kainedamo]

Twenty. But not really. :o

jag

Serious answer please :cmad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Off to get my Lube Jiffy'd, then it's gym time. Not sure if I'm doing legs or shoulder/triceps yet. Hopin to figure it out before my oil change is done :up:

[jaguarr]

Those cross bench guys sound like a real good trick. Ill check them out on i think it's called fitday.com to see how those are done. And I usually do dips I just swapped them out today for that machine for some reason. Thanks for the help bro. Hows the little guy doin? Havent heard an update for a while.

There's a description of the cross-bench pullovers in my sig. They're similar to what everyone mistakenly calls (or does improperly) "skullcrushers". You do them with your back across the bench perpendicularly.

The boy is doing great. Eating, sleeping and growing like a weed. He's definitely got his dad's appetite. :D The formula he's on has been constipating him, though (hey, you asked) and that's been making him a little bit cranky. Guess what the doctor told us to give him a 1/2 a tablespoon of twice a day to help with that? The Devil: High Fructose Corn Syrup (Karo Syrup). It's working, though I'm not a big fan of giving my infant son HFCS. :cmad:

jag

[kainedamo]

Off to get my Lube


Tee hee hee.

[Super Kal]

We're going to be calling you by your old name of Kaka Rot until you get yourself back on track, young man. :hehe: It can be hard to stick to your guns and keep your diet and routine in check when you're stressed out or time limited, but it can also become a great tool for managing all that stress by acting as a bit of a steam valve as well, so don't give up on it if your'e going through a rough time. Embrace it instead. Do work, Kal. :up:

jag
lol, no, I'm not going to give up on it :)... I'm still doing what I have to do. The thing is, I didn't give it up completely, and i watched what I ate, so I've been at the same weight for a while now, I just need to get back into it.

you're right... just gotta do work :O

[NickSox]

There's a description of the cross-bench pullovers in my sig. They're similar to what everyone mistakenly calls (or does improperly) "skullcrushers". You do them with your back across the bench perpendicularly.

The boy is doing great. Eating, sleeping and growing like a weed. He's definitely got his dad's appetite. :D The formula he's on has been constipating him, though (hey, you asked) and that's been making him a little bit cranky. Guess what the doctor told us to give him a 1/2 a tablespoon of twice a day to help with that? The Devil: High Fructose Corn Syrup (Karo Syrup). It's working, though I'm not a big fan of giving my infant son HFCS. :cmad:

jag

I bet you gave the doctor some kind of look when he said those four letters!

[Manic]

With my stomach flu seemingly gone completely (solid foods! solid foods!), I'm about ready to head back to the gym. :up:

You know, it's funny. I've been going to the 24 Hour Fitness nearest me, and they close at midnight until about 5am. They close at 10pm on weekends, too. So I decided to check their website today, and it turns out there are a few other locations in my area, and they're all actually open for 24 hours! Now I don't have to worry about not getting to the gym until 9pm on Saturdays, and having to hop on the treadmill with 10 minutes to spare.

[jaguarr]

Haha! A 24-Hour Fitness that isn't open 24 hours a day. "We're open 24 hours, but not in a row!" :funny:

jag

[Manic]

Most locations list "open 24 hours" for their business hours, but one location actually says stuff like...

Tuesday: 12:00am - 11:59pm
Wednesday: 12:00am - 11:59pm

[jaguarr]

I :heart: Power Cleans!

jag

[rizzo51]

How do you guys feel about those like powder shake things that come in the biiiig jars at gnc and stuff. Are they all for bulking up or are there some for toning or are they all just utter junk that i shouldt bother choking down?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

How do you guys feel about those like powder shake things that come in the biiiig jars at gnc and stuff. Are they all for bulking up or are there some for toning or are they all just utter junk that i shouldt bother choking down?

Read through Jag's sig and read through this thread to see how we feel about your questions.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Good stuff Superman! I wish I had the facilities to get up to that high a number in those lifts. Oh and Bah you can live through my work out which will be happening in about 30 minutes!

So what did you do today? What muscles did you work? Any cardio?

Awesome, man. Continual improvement and beating your previous bests is what it's all about!

Hey, Bah! I'm doing back and bi's today. Still haven't decided whether I'll do some heavy deads or some heavy power cleans today (I rarely do both on back day). We'll see what I feel like, later.

jag

Sweet. I want to start cleans and jerks but I am afraid of hurting myself.

[SheldonLevene]

Did chest work today. Not as good as usual. Pretty sure I was just tired. I didn't finish all my sets on bench by myself, when I can normally do all three solo with the exception of a rep or two on set three. Got a weekend of rest ahead though. I'll still do my cardio work, but no lifting again until monday. I think the break will do wonders for me even though it's just two days.

[Superman79]

Top notch arm workout today (I reserve a whole day for them to try and get them to match up more to my barrel chest).

Only, one thing and maybe someone has some advice. I was doing skull crushers, and both last week and this week, no matter how wide or narrow my grip was, my elbow joints started hurting.

Now I don't wanna lose skull crushers from my triceps arsenal, as they have given me some great growth...so any tips on how to deal with the elbow issues??

[Superman79]

95s on incline is very very good imo. I really struggle w/ weight on incline. I think my upper chest/shoulders is weaker than my lower chest (if thats even possible).

I'm curious...how high of an incline do you use?? I only ask because a 2 or 3 years ago I had trouble with inclines, and later realized I had the incline too high and it was working mostly my shoulders...

[jaguarr]

Only, one thing and maybe someone has some advice. I was doing skull crushers, and both last week and this week, no matter how wide or narrow my grip was, my elbow joints started hurting.

Now I don't wanna lose skull crushers from my triceps arsenal, as they have given me some great growth...so any tips on how to deal with the elbow issues??

Back the weight off. You're using too much for your elbow joint to deal with at this point in time. Probably affecting your form, too. Keep 'em in the mix with a bit less weight and let your joints grow into them.

jag

[BeatKonducta]

Back the weight off. You're using too much for your elbow joint to deal with at this point in time. Probably affecting your form, too. Keep 'em in the mix with a bit less weight and let your joints grow into them.

jag

makes sense. I have to do that with my knees when I do squats I know i could go heavier but my knees are like F*** YOU!

I'm trying back and bi's tonight see how that goes. Wouldn't doing back first, which involves some arm muscles, cause me not to be able to work my bi's as effectively? or vice versa if i do bi's first then do back i wont be able to do as many pullups?

[jaguarr]

makes sense. I have to do that with my knees when I do squats I know i could go heavier but my knees are like F*** YOU!

I'm trying back and bi's tonight see how that goes. Wouldn't doing back first, which involves some arm muscles, cause me not to be able to work my bi's as effectively? or vice versa if i do bi's first then do back i wont be able to do as many pullups?

Your back is the larger muscle group and will therefore take the most energy and effort to work properly, so that's one reason to do it first. Also, your biceps will get some indirect work from things like pullups/pulldowns and rows so you get the benefit of some pre-exhaustion because of that, so you'll actually be hitting your biceps doubly hard because by the time you get to working them directly you'll have already given them some indirect work during your back routine.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

I'm curious...how high of an incline do you use?? I only ask because a 2 or 3 years ago I had trouble with inclines, and later realized I had the incline too high and it was working mostly my shoulders...

Probably 45 degrees. What do you think...too high?

[jaguarr]

Probably 45 degrees. What do you think...too high?

I like 'em at a 45 degree angle, personally. Sometimes I'll mix it up and do a set at 35, another set at 40 and then another at 45 just for s***ts and giggles.

jag

[StrainedEyes]

I didn't know where to post this, I think it fits here, it's sort of related.

Almost 3 weeks ago, my girlfriend and I decided we could lose a few pounds, but we're lazy and needed a way to ease into exercising regularly and such, so we got a WiiFit.

Things were going fine for the first week and a half, with aerobics and strength exercises and jogging in place. A little pain right after but nothing major. I've read that running in place can be harmful to joints, and it's suggested to run on a soft surface or in sneakers. Which I ran in sneakers.

Now, last Friday, after 2 weeks solid of working out, running in place 10-30 minutes each day in addition to other things, we went to NYC and walked for 3 hours (pretty much straight) came home and didn't work out. I didn't work out the next day at this point I was fine, no pains or anything. On Sunday I did a half hour of normal workouts and tried 20 minutes of jogging, but my joints pretty much instantly hurt when I started to run. I took a lot of breaks and maybe did like 8-10 of the 20 minutes, actually running.

Since then, both of my knees and both of my ankles hurt. It hurts when I walk, and I've tried to actually run (Just to see if I could, and to get out of the rain once) I used to be pretty fast, but I can barely run at all because of the pain. It's been almost a week and all my joints still hurt. Primarily when I walk, it's my left knee and right ankle, but they all hurt on occasion. I'm limping a little when I walk, it hurts to bend over or stand on one leg (When putting pants on, etc..)

So my question is, when should I start to worry about this problem? It doesn't seem to be getting any better. And now I'm mentally seconding guessing myself because it feels like I forgot how to walk normally, lol. But my joints do hurt and it's starting to get annoying and a little weird.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

"mentally seconding guessing "

Hee hee

Typos are fun :eek: :D

[jaguarr]

I didn't know where to post this, I think it fits here, it's sort of related.

Almost 3 weeks ago, my girlfriend and I decided we could lose a few pounds, but we're lazy and needed a way to ease into exercising regularly and such, so we got a WiiFit.

Things were going fine for the first week and a half, with aerobics and strength exercises and jogging in place. A little pain right after but nothing major. I've read that running in place can be harmful to joints, and it's suggested to run on a soft surface or in sneakers. Which I ran in sneakers.

Now, last Friday, after 2 weeks solid of working out, running in place 10-30 minutes each day in addition to other things, we went to NYC and walked for 3 hours (pretty much straight) came home and didn't work out. I didn't work out the next day at this point I was fine, no pains or anything. On Sunday I did a half hour of normal workouts and tried 20 minutes of jogging, but my joints pretty much instantly hurt when I started to run. I took a lot of breaks and maybe did like 8-10 of the 20 minutes, actually running.

Since then, both of my knees and both of my ankles hurt. It hurts when I walk, and I've tried to actually run (Just to see if I could, and to get out of the rain once) I used to be pretty fast, but I can barely run at all because of the pain. It's been almost a week and all my joints still hurt. Primarily when I walk, it's my left knee and right ankle, but they all hurt on occasion. I'm limping a little when I walk, it hurts to bend over or stand on one leg (When putting pants on, etc..)

So my question is, when should I start to worry about this problem? It doesn't seem to be getting any better. And now I'm mentally seconding guessing myself because it feels like I forgot how to walk normally, lol. But my joints do hurt and it's starting to get annoying and a little weird.

When was the last time you had a physical?

jag

[StrainedEyes]

When was the last time you had a physical?

jag

A real physical, like 3 years ago. But I've had infection and blood tests and such since then.

Edit: when I say all joints, I mean just in the legs.

[jaguarr]

A real physical, like 3 years ago. But I've had infection and blood tests and such since then.

Go to the doctor.

jag

[StrainedEyes]

Go to the doctor.

jag

Why?

[jaguarr]

Why?

Because you haven't had a physical in three years and you're experiencing a large amount of joint pain, to the point that you can't walk properly anymore, as a result of a new exercise program? :huh:

jag

[StrainedEyes]

Because you haven't had a physical in three years and you're experiencing a large amount of joint pain, to the point that you can't walk properly anymore, as a result of a new exercise program? :huh:

jag

You made it seem like all leg joint pain was a symptom of something.

Isn't it weird that everything was fine for 2 weeks and then one day it hurt? It seems like there would be another problem that isn't related to the exercising. And I can walk, it's not like I'm immobile, it just hurts.

[Midnight Black]

I know this is probably a dumb question Geo, but did you stretch at all before and after you did your jogging, working out, and 3 hour walk?

What type of shoes did you wear when you walked for 3 hours?

Also, did you ice and put heat pads on your joints or legs at anytime during your workouts even before your legs and joints started hurting?

How fast are you running in place?

*The thing about running in place is that most people after awhile don't raise their feet up high enough. Thus, causing you to run on the whole part of your foot. Which is not good, especially since you are not propelling yourself forward with the front part of your foot. You may know this already, but I'll say it incase you don't. When you run or jog it should be on the toes or front part of your feet. This way you are not adding extra stress to your foot bone and muscles by having all your weight impact the ground and bottom surface of your feet. This can lead to knee joint problems and back problems.

Get accustomed to doing this. A podiatrist or runner will tell you, because running on the balls of your feet affect your back and knees which in turn affects a lot of other parts of your body that utilize your back muscles and tendons, though not seemingly apparent. I ran track/sprinter/high jumper so I know all to well how jacking up your feet can affect everything else.

Answer those questions and I will give some advice if I can. Other than that stop in and see a foot doctor.

Oh and if you haven't worked out in awhile, It is weird, but your muscles and joints won't ache until two days later, usually not the next day. Two days and you feel it and boy does it hurt if it has been awhile and you really try to push yourself and havent't been in awhile. I know how you feel.

[StrainedEyes]

I know this is probably a dumb question Geo, but did you stretch at all before and after you did your jogging, working out, and 3 hour walk?

What type of shoes did you wear when you walked for 3 hours?

Also, did you ice and put heat pads on your joints or legs at anytime during your workouts even before your legs and joints started hurting?

How fast are you running in place?

*The thing about running in place is that most people after awhile don't raise their feet up high enough. Thus, causing you to run on the whole part of your foot. Which is not good, especially since you are not propelling yourself forward with the front part of your foot. You may know this already, but I'll say it incase you don't. When you run or jog it should be on the toes or front part of your feet. This way you are not adding extra stress to your foot bone and muscles by having all your weight impact the ground and bottom surface of your feet. This can lead to knee joint problems and back problems.

Get accustomed to doing this. A podiatrist or runner will tell you, because running on the balls of your feet affect your back and knees which in turn affects a lot of other parts of your body that utilize your back muscles and tendons, though not seemingly apparent. I ran track/sprinter/high jumper so I know all to well how jacking up your feet can affect everything else.

Answer those questions and I will give some advice if I can. Other than that stop in and see a foot doctor.

Oh and if you haven't worked out in awhile, It is weird, but your muscles and joints won't ache until two days later, usually not the next day. Two days and you feel it and boy does it hurt if it has been awhile and you really try to push yourself and havent't been in awhile. I know how you feel.

- Yeah, the wiifit has yoga and leg stretching stuff, and like I said I tended to do a half hour or so of those types of things before I started to jog.

-Normal sneakers for the walk

-No ice or heating pads

-I think, according to the system, I was running maybe 3-4 miles in the 20-30 minutes, depending

-I did try to run on the front part of my foot, and occasionally ran back and forth in the room, to sway boredom.

My calf muscle hurt every time after the workout, but it would stop hurting in the morning. My joints never hurt before this.

[jaguarr]

You made it seem like all leg joint pain was a symptom of something.

Isn't it weird that everything was fine for 2 weeks and then one day it hurt? It seems like there would be another problem that isn't related to the exercising. And I can walk, it's not like I'm immobile, it just hurts.

Ummm, if you are experiencing pain in the joints in your legs for an extended period then it IS a symptom of something (probably improper exercise form, lack of stretching and the body adjusting to exercise it wasn't doing before as Midnight Black pointed out but also possibly an indicator that there's something else going on with your body that needs to be addressed like instep problems, shin splints, etc.), but your body is telling you that something's wrong. Stopping what you're doing that's most likely causing these things and getting checked out to make sure there's nothing else going on that could be contributing to the problem (especially since you haven't had a physical in three years) is the smart bet to make sure you're covering all your bases.

jag

[Midnight Black]

Go to the doctor.

jag

We can offer all the advice in the world, but Jag is right Go to the Doctor if it hasn't gone away and it has been 3 years since.

If you are over 25 or so dude you aint young anymore really and things creep up on folks nowadays not realizing that they have family ailments that are hereditary and whatnot.
Good advice...go see a physician, not a trainer, a board certified specialist.

[jaguarr]

We can offer all the advice in the world, but Jag is right Go to the Doctor if it hasn't gone away and it has been 3 years since.

If you are over 25 or so dude you aint young anymore really and things creep up on folks nowadays not realizing that they have family ailments that are hereditary and whatnot.
Good advice...go see a physician, not a trainer, a board certified specialist.

Yep. The reality is that none of us are doctors in this thread and, even if we were, it would still be impossible to properly diagnose Geo's problem with any degree of accuracy over the internet. To really get to the bottom of the issue is going to require at least a physical examination and possibly the involvement of a specialist.

jag

[SapphirePrima]

I've had this weird addiction to iced tea lately I drink it all the time. Now is this a bad drink to have after taking a run or so? Should I just stick to water or gatorade?

[jaguarr]

I've had this weird addiction to iced tea lately I drink it all the time. Now is this a bad drink to have after taking a run or so? Should I just stick to water or gatorade?

Tea is a diuretic, so probably not the best thing to guzzle after a run where you're losing body fluid by sweating. Just water should be fine (Gatorade is full of High Fructose Corn Syrup which converts directly to fat in the body rather than instantly bioavailable and burnable energy like regular sugar does, and also carries a host of long-term health issues associated with it, so I don't recommend consuming ANYTHING with the stuff in it if you can help it). Besides, the electrolytes in sports drinks like Gatorade are rarely needed by the average person who works out from week to week. Most people don't lose enough electrolytes in the course of a workout to warrant replenishing them as an emergency/crisis sort of situation like say an Olympic athlete might need to in the course of their training.

jag

[StrainedEyes]

We can offer all the advice in the world, but Jag is right Go to the Doctor if it hasn't gone away and it has been 3 years since.

If you are over 25 or so dude you aint young anymore really and things creep up on folks nowadays not realizing that they have family ailments that are hereditary and whatnot.
Good advice...go see a physician, not a trainer, a board certified specialist.

I'm 21.

I was planning to see a doctor if it persists after a week. Still have a few days, things usually go away after a week if they aren't anything important. I just wanted to see how common such joint pain is, especially in regards to jogging, etc..

[SapphirePrima]

So there's really no real reason to ever drink gatorade unless, you're a hardcore athlete?

[Warhammer]

War just wants to know where's a good place to eat on his cheat day, guys.

War, just nod and agree. Then back up...slowly

Haha, I just caught this.

Btw, here is a question for anyone. A few years ago, I had a friend who seriously went from flabby guy to ripped tough guy in less than a year. He really focused on his diet, and hit the gym every day. He used to give me rides to spots, to and from school, (etc.). Whenever we went to his friend's house or back to his house, he would find some bread (most times, it'd be 100% whole wheat), dip it in some olive oil, then eat it.

I've read that that can give your body some serious fuel before a workout. Any truth to this? I've tried it out, and did some running, and I haven't ran into a problem yet.

[jaguarr]

So there's really no real reason to ever drink gatorade unless, you're a hardcore athlete?

Not really. And most true hardcore athletes are well aware of all the HFCS in those drinks and avoid them, opting for other electrolyte replacement and BCAA (Branch Chain Amino Acid) systems to get them through their workouts. "Sports" drinks are one of the great marketing successes of the 20th Century; selling sugar water to people who don't really need it but think they do because...surprise...the companies that sell it told them they do.

jag

[jaguarr]

Haha, I just caught this.

Btw, here is a question for anyone. A few years ago, I had a friend who seriously went from flabby guy to ripped tough guy in less than a year. He really focused on his diet, and hit the gym every day. He used to give me rides to spots, to and from school, (etc.). Whenever we went to his friend's house or back to his house, he would find some bread (most times, it'd be 100% whole wheat), dip it in some olive oil, then eat it.

I've read that that can give your body some serious fuel before a workout. Any truth to this? I've tried it out, and did some running, and I haven't ran into a problem yet.

Olive oil's very good for you. Don't know that I'd use it for a pre-workout meal, but whatever. He was looking for pre-workout carbs with the bread, though, that's pretty obvious. Too bad most bread these days is loaded with High Fructose Corn Syrup and is made from primarily processed flours thereby stripping most of the real nutrients out of the grain before it makes it into the bread. He'd have been better off with some oatmeal.

jag

[jaguarr]

I'm 21.

I was planning to see a doctor if it persists after a week. Still have a few days, things usually go away after a week if they aren't anything important. I just wanted to see how common such joint pain is, especially in regards to jogging, etc..

Not entirely true. It's very possible to injure yourself, have it heal up enough to make you feel better enough to exercise again, only to cause the injury to flare up and potentially become even worse as a result.

jag

[Havok83]

So there's really no real reason to ever drink gatorade unless, you're a hardcore athlete?
I cant handle it. WAY too much sugar. When I ran my half marathon, I tried it and had to stick to water. If I were to reccommend a sports drink, Id get Propel.

[Superman79]

Back the weight off. You're using too much for your elbow joint to deal with at this point in time. Probably affecting your form, too. Keep 'em in the mix with a bit less weight and let your joints grow into them.

jag

Right, I'll give that a shot. :up:

Probably 45 degrees. What do you think...too high?

45 degrees is what I always use...though if you're having problems maybe you wanna drop it a few degrees just to see if you can get that muscle recruitment...

I like 'em at a 45 degree angle, personally. Sometimes I'll mix it up and do a set at 35, another set at 40 and then another at 45 just for s***ts and giggles.

jag

hmmm...I'm intrigued...this might be worth trying... :up:

[Superman79]

So there's really no real reason to ever drink gatorade unless, you're a hardcore athlete?

I personally don't mind a bottle of that new low-cal G2 after a long run...but thats just me...

[hammy]

When I was little I remember my grandma getting the 'hungry horrors,' as she called them. Her appetite would increase for no apparent reason and no matter how much she ate, she never felt full. She never was over weight though. Anyway, over the past 6 months or so I have begun to experience this, myself. It happens right about when I'm ovulating and lasts 2-3 days. It's awful. :( I haven't gained any weight (yet) but it is concerning. It's weird because it doesn't happen every month, just sometimes. Anyway, I was wondering if this is a uniquely female thing or if you guys ever experience anything like this? Also, is there anything natural that can help keep your appetite in check during these times? Thanks.

[jaguarr]

When I was little I remember my grandma getting the 'hungry horrors,' as she called them. Her appetite would increase for no apparent reason and no matter how much she ate, she never felt full. She never was over weight though. Anyway, over the past 6 months or so I have begun to experience this, myself. It happens right about when I'm ovulating and lasts 2-3 days. It's awful. :( I haven't gained any weight (yet) but it is concerning. It's weird because it doesn't happen every month, just sometimes. Anyway, I was wondering if this is a uniquely female thing or if you guys ever experience anything like this? Also, is there anything natural that can help keep your appetite in check during these times? Thanks.

Can't say it's something I've ever experienced (or even heard of, to be honest). You could try filling up on water to help you feel full during those times if you're worried about binge eating, I suppose. Also, something like yogurt might satiate the cravings without adding a bunch of extra calories to your diet.

jag

[mrvlknight21]

Hey Spoons-thanks for the recommendation on the ON caramel toffee fudge. It arrived Friday and I had some that night-good stuff great flavor!

[Midnight Black]

I'm 21.

I was planning to see a doctor if it persists after a week. Still have a few days, things usually go away after a week if they aren't anything important. I just wanted to see how common such joint pain is, especially in regards to jogging, etc..

Yeah...do not think that I am trying to scare you or say that it is serious and you must go immediately. We (jag and I) just think that seeing a doctor and getting a physical, some health and fitness tips, from a professional in the field would be your best bet.....Yeah, you can wait until about a week, and then go. It's not like you need to go to the Emergency room tonight or go immediately tomorrow, but soon. Unless the pain gets unbearable and worse and worse. Heck...call your doctor and let him know the deal and just ask him. Depending on your weight, how much you did the exercises before the Wii and how much you walked without resting before your trip can IMO cause the type of pain you are feeling.

Heck when I first got back to playing basketball, seriously, my body hurt non-stop, my joints and everything. I couldnt' walk right because of my legs and Knees hurt for a week, and especially my lower back. But it did go away.

I work at Target and know all about the Wii fitness, IMO and this is just my opinion. You are just very sore. If it has been awhile since you had worked out, then you may have over exerted your muscles and tendons, and now they are recouping, but since you have to walk around everyday, especially on hard surfaces then it is taking a little longer for them to rebuild and stop hurting.

Make sure when you jog and are moving (not in place) you role your foot from the heel to the balls of your foot, back to forward, if running on the balls, toes, and front part becomes tiring. Just don't jog pounding down.

That walk in NY doesn't help either. If you do not have good sole and shoe support, then walking on concrete for that long can kill, and make your feet, ankles, knees, and lower back very sore.

Call the Doctor, takes some Bear, Ibuprofen, or Tylenol, if you can get the good stuff some vicadin.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hey Spoons-thanks for the recommendation on the ON caramel toffee fudge. It arrived Friday and I had some that night-good stuff great flavor!

No prob dood :D

They need to make it in bigger containers. Hopefully they will if it sells well :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

For jag, and b/c I have no shame and this gentleman was very nice.....but very gay lol:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4326/pictureot0.jpg

[hammy]

:lmao: Spoons .. bustin a move with an old guy.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Warhammer]

Olive oil's very good for you. Don't know that I'd use it for a pre-workout meal, but whatever. He was looking for pre-workout carbs with the bread, though, that's pretty obvious. Too bad most bread these days is loaded with High Fructose Corn Syrup and is made from primarily processed flours thereby stripping most of the real nutrients out of the grain before it makes it into the bread. He'd have been better off with some oatmeal.

jag

Ah, gotcha. I have two questions for you (or anyone else):

- Is it better to run in the morning BEFORE eating breakfast?
- If not, is eating some bread or oatmeal necessary before running (or is that kind of energy better for muscle building?)?

Btw, neat picture Spoons. :o :up:

[hammy]

*wipes tears*

Oy .. I don't know what that made me laugh so hard. :o It's hilarious though. :D

[Colossal Spoons]

In my defense, I had no idea he was next to me until it was too late. My friends take pics way too fast lol

[jaguarr]

For jag, and b/c I have no shame and this gentleman was very nice.....but very gay lol:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4326/pictureot0.jpg

LMAO! You look like you have the "Don't f**king touch me or I'll elbow your face, dude!" thing going on. :lmao:

jag

[AndThePickles]

In my defense, I had no idea he was next to me until it was too late. My friends take pics way too fast lol

Ha, yeah ok. You were just too drunk, silly goose.

[jaguarr]

Ah, gotcha. I have two questions for you (or anyone else):

- Is it better to run in the morning BEFORE eating breakfast?
- If not, is eating some bread or oatmeal necessary before running (or is that kind of energy better for muscle building?)?

Btw, neat picture Spoons. :o :up:

It depends on your goals, but I already answered this one for you. :huh:

Most people in this day and age simply don't know how to eat properly. They've become reliant on pre-packaged foods, fast food, and all the chemicals and damaging compounds that come with them. Learning to cook for yourself isn't just economically more sound, you'll find that you start to really enjoy the taste of REAL food after awhile instead of the garbage you're used to eating. And there's always your weekly cheat meal to get you through the cravings, anyway. What you're talking about here is a lifestyle change, not just a "hey I want to get abs so I'll tweak what I need to just for that". Cleaning up the way you eat and adding exercise into your lifestyle as something that's just a part of your routine will be something you look back on 20 years from now and be damn glad you did.



Pre-breakfast cardio is a good way to burn past the small store of glucogens you have left in your body after not eating for 8 hours or so while you were sleeping and right to the fatty stores in your body where you'll burn those for fuel instead. About 45-60 minutes of intense pre-breakfast cardio can work wonders for people really working towards fat loss. Any longer than that and you start risking going catabolic, though, where your body starts burning your muscle for fuel instead. You should NEVER do weight training on an empty stomach like that, though. It's much more strenuous activity that really does require some greater glucogen stores to ensure proper muscle recruitment and firing to optimal levels to maximize the benefits of lifting. Definitely recommend getting some complex carbs like oatmeal and some protein like eggs or even a whey shake about an hour before lifting.

jag

jag

[jaguarr]

Ha, yeah ok. You were just too drunk, silly goose.

Haha! Spoons gets drunk and attracts chickenhawks. :lmao:

jag

[AndThePickles]

LMAO! You look like you have the "Don't f**king touch me or I'll elbow your face, dude!" thing going on. :lmao:

jag

Don't be fooled, he let that man buy him a drink and a sandwich. He knew what was up :o

[jaguarr]

Don't be fooled, he let that man buy him a drink and a sandwich. He knew what was up :o

Tsk. SMH @ Spoons.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Don't be fooled, he let that man buy him a drink and a sandwich. He knew what was up :o

Wrong guy!




....wait

[AndThePickles]

Wrong guy!




....wait

Hahaha, that's right, there was more than one gay guy hitting on you that night!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Gym tomorrow morning! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Colossal Spoons]

Gym tomorrow morning! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Welcome back!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Thanks Spoons. I can't wait, but I am going light and easy tomorrow just to make sure I don't over do it. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

For jag, and b/c I have no shame and this gentleman was very nice.....but very gay lol:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4326/pictureot0.jpg

AWE SOME!