The Official Hype Fitness Thread [Archive] - Page 9

PhePhe112

12-09-2006, 01:08 AM

There's a few different types but they should all look vaguely similar to this.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/723/fitnesssuitecrosstrainekm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It trains your whole body at once without putting too much strain on any particular part and burns a hell of a lot of calories. Without being sexist, most girls tend to prefer this. :)

I used to use it every day (EDIT not that I'm a girl :eek: :woot:)

LOL...
yeah i've tried this thing....makes my upper legs kill :( i hate hurting!!

Iceman

12-09-2006, 01:12 AM

LOL...
yeah i've tried this thing....makes my upper legs kill :( i hate hurting!!Pain is good :woot:

You know you can put it on minimum resistance and take it at your own pace. Nothing burns calories as quickly. Also the treadmill is 100 times more painful :csad:

The best thing is to give all the machines a go until you find the ones you like the most and won't dread going to the gym for. :up:

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 01:15 AM

LOL...
yeah i've tried this thing....makes my upper legs kill :( i hate hurting!!I don't know...I've always found them pretty easy.

PhePhe112

12-09-2006, 01:17 AM

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 01:18 AM

The article I linked reads: "The most important thing is that you lift to absolute FAILURE! This is not an option. It is almost 100% necessary to have a workout partner. If you need to get 8 - 10 reps, choose a weight that allows you to get 8 - 10 reps? but not even ONE more."

Are you saying this is wrong?Not always. Even hardcore bodybuilders do "NTF" workouts.

Even HIT, which is where it sounds like that comes from, has a NTF week once every so often. It's important for recovery and letting your body reset, not get used to going to failure.

Iceman

12-09-2006, 01:19 AM

i shall try again tomorrow!!...i'll mark my progress here i hope to lose some fat and gain some muscle. so for that i'll actually weigh more but look lean....right?? also will that machine give me a flatter stomach?? crunches make my neck hurt :(Good luck :yay:

You'll get a flatter stomach and look leaner eventually if you combine the calories you burn with a good diet. You could also think about doing some ab exercies to tone up. Crunches shouldn't make your neck hurt unless you're overextending on the action. Don't come up too far when you do them.

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 01:20 AM

i shall try again tomorrow!!...i'll mark my progress here i hope to lose some fat and gain some muscle. so for that i'll actually weigh more but look lean....right?? also will that machine give me a flatter stomach?? crunches make my neck hurt :(The only things that gives you a flat stomach is getting your bodyfat percentage down, and doing crunches. I used to do 500, 3 times a week. Now I train with weight; but I'll always try new and old routines.

PhePhe112

12-09-2006, 01:23 AM

so to get your body fat down you exercise...aka i can get on that machine?? and there is nooooo waayy i can i do 500 crunches...i think i can do 50 tops!!

Iceman

12-09-2006, 01:26 AM

The only things that gives you a flat stomach is getting your bodyfat percentage down, and doing crunches. I used to do 500, 3 times a week. Now I train with weight; but I'll always try new and old routines.How many times a week do you do ab exercises?

The_Dark_Knight

12-09-2006, 01:27 AM

Haha, well that could take a while.

What body type (mass, body fat levels etc) do you have? What kind of fitness/endurance levels are you at? Do you do any fitness work at the moment?

I'm not sure how much body fat I have.

Heres a pic if this help any.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f237/Vince5150/Picture019.jpg

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 01:27 AM

Bodyfat is less about exercise and more about diet. :)

jag

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 01:28 AM

so to get your body fat down you exercise...aka i can get on that machine?? and there is nooooo waayy i can i do 500 crunches...i think i can do 50 tops!!Well I break them up and do other ab work in between (like side planks, reverse crunches). I also worked my way up, starting with sets of 50 and then making my way to sets of 150...It took me 3 or 4 weeks to get to 150.

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 01:28 AM

I'm not sure how much body fat I have.

Heres a pic if this help any.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f237/Vince5150/Picture019.jpg

Pretty average male bodyfat precentage I'd say. Maybe 12-13%. However you aren't particularly muscular, so it's hard to tell.

PhePhe112

12-09-2006, 01:30 AM

i added my bmi thing today and it said 19.8....is that bad??

PhePhe112

12-09-2006, 01:31 AM

Bodyfat is less about exercise and more about diet. :)

jag

oh don;t tell me that!! i love me some cake!! haha...i hate working out but i hate eatting healthy food even more....help me........!!!! :(

ps-and schwiiiiiiing to that topless photo above!!!! :D

The_Dark_Knight

12-09-2006, 01:34 AM

Pretty average male bodyfat precentage I'd say. Maybe 12-13%. However you aren't particularly muscular, so it's hard to tell.

Also I can do up to 200 Crunches about 3 times a week. is that a good start?

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 01:34 AM

i added my bmi thing today and it said 19.8....is that bad??No, not at all.

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 01:36 AM

Also I can do up to 200 Crunches about 3 times a week. is that a good start?Yeah, that's great. I mean Jessica Alba (not that you're a girl, but in this case it doesn't matter) does 150 3 times a week...so that's about where you need to be. What I did is slightly overkill I will admit.

PhePhe112

12-09-2006, 01:38 AM

doesn't your neck hurt doing all those?? i mean even breaking them up....maybe my neck sucks!!

The_Dark_Knight

12-09-2006, 01:42 AM

I dont try to hold on to my neck when doing them. I just cross my arms over my chest.

Is that bad?

PhePhe112

12-09-2006, 01:42 AM

Iceman

12-09-2006, 01:47 AM

I'm not sure how much body fat I have.

Heres a pic if this help any.Well at least you're not starting from 500 lbs and you have a very vague outline of what looks like a sixpack there. :woot: The Bruce Lee cut is something I wanted as a kid but soon found out I put on upper body muscle too easily. Bruce Lee has extremely dense compact muscle and is so much stronger than he looks but he's also very small. Genetics obviously plays a huge part but if you weight train without going too heavy, are very very strict with your diet and maybe take up an explosive martial art you'll probably make some inroads into what you are looking for. It's a high target you've set for yourself :up:

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 01:48 AM

i just read in my girlie fitness mag today that if i wanna lose 1 pound a week i need to burn 250 cal's a day....
(found this thing)
Here’s how to burn 250 calories in a nutshell:

In the gym

35 minutes of cycling
30 minutes of rowing
30 minutes of cross training
30 minutes of stair climbing
90 minutes of weight training

ok...i have to do allllllllll of this??I think I burn more than 250 doing one of those things...but I could be wrong.

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 01:50 AM

doesn't your neck hurt doing all those?? i mean even breaking them up....maybe my neck sucks!!Keep you're neck in a fixed position doing crunches. I cross my arms, sticking one hand on my throat as if I wanted to choke myself and tuck my chin down. This should take care of it.

Iceman

12-09-2006, 01:50 AM

i just read in my girlie fitness mag today that if i wanna lose 1 pound a week i need to burn 250 cal's a day....
(found this thing)
Here’s how to burn 250 calories in a nutshell:

In the gym

35 minutes of cycling
30 minutes of rowing
30 minutes of cross training
30 minutes of stair climbing
90 minutes of weight training

ok...i have to do allllllllll of this??Cross training burns calories a hell of a lot more quickly than cycling. In an hour I do about 1200-1300 calories on the cross trainer. I've never cycled for an hour but I'd imagine I'd burn between 1/3 and a 1/2 as many calories.

The_Dark_Knight

12-09-2006, 01:56 AM

Well at least you're not starting from 500 lbs and you have a very vague outline of what looks like a sixpack there. :woot: The Bruce Lee cut is something I wanted as a kid but soon found out I put on upper body muscle too easily. Bruce Lee has extremely dense compact muscle and is so much stronger than he looks but he's also very small. Genetics obviously plays a huge part but if you weight train without going too heavy, are very very strict with your diet and maybe take up an explosive martial art you'll probably make some inroads into what you are looking for. It's a high target you've set for yourself :up:

On my diet I eat alot of fruits and veggies. I woulnt lie, I do eat junk food but I'm trying to stop. The only things I drink is water or Monster energy drinks. they have 0 carb and 0 sugur.

And I actualy DO practice some Martial arts Kung Fu and I've resently started Jeet Kune Do.

PhePhe112

12-09-2006, 01:57 AM

well guys thanks for answering all my questions.....hopefully i can have this body:

http://www.hollywood-celebrity-pictures.com/Celebrities/Joanna-Krupa/Joanna-Krupa-8.JPG

by v-day!!

The_Dark_Knight

12-09-2006, 01:58 AM

well guys thanks for answering all my questions.....hopefully i can have this body:

http://www.hollywood-celebrity-pictures.com/Celebrities/Joanna-Krupa/Joanna-Krupa-8.JPG

by v-day!!

If you get that body give me a call lol

Iceman

12-09-2006, 02:07 AM

On my diet I eat alot of fruits and veggies. I woulnt lie, I do eat junk food but I'm trying to stop. The only things I drink is water or Monster energy drinks. they have 0 carb and 0 sugur.

And I actualy DO practice some Martial arts Kung Fu and I've resently started Jeet Kune Do.That's the martial art he invented so you're obviously a pretty big fan :up: Regular martial arts prevent you from getting too big even when combined with weight training so that will help with what you're trying to achieve.

Dietwise, fruits and veggies are great for your health but won't necessarily contribute on the physique side of things. Having a Bruce Lee cut with such low body fat isn't necessarily the epitome of health for everyone. Diet is a crucial factor here and I would imagine you'd have to be ridiculously strict to come close to achieving this goal. Cutting out all junk is quite difficult so it depends on how far you're prepared to go.

Iceman

12-09-2006, 02:09 AM

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 11:03 AM

The only things I drink is water or Monster energy drinks. they have 0 carb and 0 sugur.
.

And an assload of High Fructose Corn Syrup which very well may be the absolute worst thing you can put in your body. Ever.

jag

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 11:04 AM

oh don;t tell me that!! i love me some cake!! haha...i hate working out but i hate eatting healthy food even more....help me........!!!! :(

Proper nutrition for your specific goals will make you or break you. Period. Eat a bunch of crap, guess what you'll look like as a result no matter how much exercise you do? :)

jag

Colossal Spoons

12-09-2006, 11:19 AM

And an assload of High Fructose Corn Syrup which very well may be the absolute worst thing you can put in your body. Ever.

jag

AAAHHHHH! :csad:

Something told me HFCS was being discussed. Seriously, I like leaped out of bed and checked this thread. Weird. :huh:

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 11:23 AM

AAAHHHHH! :csad:

Something told me HFSC was being discussed. Seriously, I like leaped out of bed and checked this thread. Weird. :huh:

It's like you've got Spider-Sense(tm) only for HFCS. :spidey:

jag

Badger

12-09-2006, 11:36 AM

Thinking of buying a home gym, like bowflex or something, any recommendations. Also looking for an elipitical, any suggestions.

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 11:58 AM

Thinking of buying a home gym, like bowflex or something, any recommendations. Also looking for an elipitical, any suggestions.

I'm more of a free-weight kind of guy (I have a power rack and a kabillion weight plates and bars in my home gym), so I can't be of much help on the bowflex side. For an eliptical, though, I bought one about 18 months ago, and after doing the research I came across the Eclipse 1100 HR/A. It had great reviews and was very reasonably priced (search Froogle to find the best deal). It's been a great piece of cardio equipment and has put up with a lot of use with very little wear and tear. I highly recommend.

jag

Badger

12-09-2006, 01:38 PM

I'm more of a free-weight kind of guy (I have a power rack and a kabillion weight plates and bars in my home gym), so I can't be of much help on the bowflex side. For an eliptical, though, I bought one about 18 months ago, and after doing the research I came across the Eclipse 1100 HR/A. It had great reviews and was very reasonably priced (search Froogle to find the best deal). It's been a great piece of cardio equipment and has put up with a lot of use with very little wear and tear. I highly recommend.

jag

Would love to have free weights, but don't have the room for all the stuff I'd like. Plus my wife will use it as well. Thanks for the info on the eliptical.

Colossal Spoons

12-09-2006, 01:55 PM

http://www.fitnessboutique.co.uk/product_images/bow_rack_f.jpg

Best piece of Bowflex equipment out there. You can select up to 50 lbs and it's not too space consuming. :up:

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 02:20 PM

I fit a PowerTec Power Rack and bench and two weight trees into a small spare bedroom and have plenty of room to lift. The wife is more into Pilates, but she does know how to use the weight equipment, including changing out the adjustable dumbbells. :up: I'm going to add the lat tower option to it in January so I can do some cable exercises to it as well.

jag

Badger

12-09-2006, 02:31 PM

Best piece of Bowflex equipment out there. You can select up to 50 lbs and it's not too space consuming.

Interesting, but what would you use for presses and lifts. Just max at 50 lbs and increase reps? Honestly looks like a good idea, but would it be a good all-in-one solution for weight training. Not looking to bench Volvo's, just mostly tone and put on a little mass. I work out at the local '24 Hour' about once, maybe twice, a week; my work schedule is kinda crazy. My reason for getting a solution at home.

Thanks for the suggestion Spoons. :up:

Colossal Spoons

12-09-2006, 02:40 PM

^See, the only presses I do are military and I do those with dumbells. You're right though, it's not really helpful if you wanna go past 50 lbs. I guess it's just supposed to help replace about 9 sets of dumbells so you can have space for something else. I'm more about going to a gym rather than a home gym but if for some reason I can't make it to the local gym, I'd love to have a pair of those guys around the house.

I'm definately jealous over these 24-hour gyms I keep hearing about, None of those where I live. :cmad: Not that I'd really recommend lifting at 4 am but sometimes I get in there late and can't finish my workout by 11; when it closes.

Badger

12-09-2006, 03:00 PM

^ The '24 Hour Fitness' is nice, but expensive about $40 a month. Another reason I want to find something to use at home. The one that I go to is packed at all hours, mostly women trying to become the next 'Biggest Loser'. The only other gym close to me is a 'Golds Gym' and that does very little for my self esteem and I'm not a small guy.

Think I might go with your suggestion and a good adjustable bench, then just increase reps where needed.

Thanks for the help, Jag and Spoons.

Colossal Spoons

12-09-2006, 03:11 PM

^Heh, anybody around here will till you that seeing and hanging around bigger guys only makes me wanna lift harder....I think I have a problem...but anyway :D

There are two gyms near my house and I drive to the furthest one because it's never crowded and the owners often hand out proten shakes they create to get feedback on the taste :up:

What's your goal again? Size/strength or endurance?

Badger

12-09-2006, 04:09 PM

My goals are strength, weight loss, and endurance. Would like to lose another 40 pounds, currently 5'11 and 240. My ideal weight for my frame is between 190 and 200. Already started on the diet, low carb (not atkins) / high protein with about 4 small meals a day.

Kyalesyin

12-09-2006, 04:11 PM

I never understood the drive to have muscle. I just walk everywhere and it keeps me fit and healthy enough. When I was in competitive martial arts I worked out a little more between sessions, but never more than a standard rehearsal.

Gym people are weird.

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 04:13 PM

Gym people are weird.

Thanks for not being judgemental. :up:

jag

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 04:16 PM

Kyalesyin

12-09-2006, 04:19 PM

Thanks for not being judgemental. :up:

jag

I'm not trying to be, but without fail, all the gymmers I've ever met have been a little strange. Not the 'once a week not very commited type.' They normally seem ok. Its more the 'I need to be exactly XYZ' type that weird me out.

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 04:28 PM

I'm not trying to be, but without fail, all the gymmers I've ever met have been a little strange. Not the 'once a week not very commited type.' They normally seem ok. Its more the 'I need to be exactly XYZ' type that weird me out.

Alright, then... :)

jag

Kyalesyin

12-09-2006, 04:33 PM

I've never understood body modification of any type. I do not get why someone would want to do that.

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 04:35 PM

I've never understood body modification of any type. I do not get why someone would want to do that.

Have you ever done anything at all with your diet and/or exercise to keep your body the way you would like to?

jag

Kyalesyin

12-09-2006, 04:37 PM

Nope. I've been on weight gain diets to regulate my thyroid/pancreas problems, but aside from that, no. I've never had a problem with the way my body looks. I don't even shave.

enterthemadness

12-09-2006, 04:38 PM

I'm too lazy to google, but how do I build up my forearms besides jacking off? ( Don't laugh, a guy said that at school in my senior year)

My routine at the rec enter. (Mon, Wed, Fri) At home daily: 400 situps with 30 knee up thingys. Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat, 200 pushups (60, 60, 80) and 20 bench dips. Have no visible abs...bad diet. Yes yes, getting abs is like 90% diet, 10% working out. Heard that somewhere...maybe movie.

Bench Press:

2 sets of 5: 130lbs
2 sets of 5: 135lbs

Ab machine:

2 sets of 30, 53lbs

Chest machine:

(Switching back and forth)

2 sets of 10(bottom handles) 130lbs+10lb resistence
2 sets of 10(top handles, harder to do) 130lbs+10lb resistence

Here's a pic of the machine(click on link)...have no idea who the guy is.

http://asp.elitefts.com/images/upload/qa/band%20machine%20chest%20press1.jpg

20lbs weight bar thingy. (one bar in each hand)

1 set of 20(10 each arm)

25lbs weight bar thingy. (one bar in each hand)

2 sets of 10(5 each arm)
2 sets of 8(4 each arm)
2 sets of 6(3 each arm)

30lbs weight bar thingy (one bar in each hand)

2 sets of 4(2 each arm)

Leg press thingy.

2 sets of 10. 90lbs+5lbs resistence

Ab machine:

1 set of 30, 53lbs.

Starting on the 18th...

Bench Press:

2 sets of 135lbs
2 sets of 140lbs

Chest Machine:

Move up to 150lbs+10lb resistence (It goes up by 20, not 10)

Weight bar things

Begin with 25 and not 20, and doing more of the 30's.

And over 100 on the leg thing.

Ab machine is the same.

No I am not in shape...I get tired fast playing full court basketball. I'm not overweight...I just don't train for that.

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 04:39 PM

Nope. I've been on weight gain diets to regulate my thyroid/pancreas problems, but aside from that, no. I've never had a problem with the way my body looks. I don't even shave.

Then I can see why much of this is a foreign concept to you.

jag

Kyalesyin

12-09-2006, 04:43 PM

Then I can see why much of this is a foreign concept to you.

jag

I never got body mods in general. I had my ears done when I was thirteen to see what all the fuss was about, and I have my name tattooed around my ankle, but aside from that I've never really seen the point. Why can't people just be happy with what they've got?

enterthemadness

12-09-2006, 04:44 PM

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 04:47 PM

I never got body mods in general. I had my ears done when I was thirteen to see what all the fuss was about, and I have my name tattooed around my ankle, but aside from that I've never really seen the point. Why can't people just be happy with what they've got?

Because some people have artistic vision for what and how they might want to transform their bodies...bodies which they own and have every right to do what they want with. You yourself obviously weren't happy with what you were born with, thus you have piercings and a tattoo. It would seem hypocrtical to criticize anyone else for pursuing the same fulfillment of looking the way they want to, no? For what it's worth, I applaud your personal decision to modify your body in the ways you have chosen to. :up:

jag

Kyalesyin

12-09-2006, 04:47 PM

You can make it better.

What is better, really? Is it better to have shaved legs than hairy? Why? Is it better to have silicon breasts than natural ones, or artificial workout muscle instead of the long, lean stuff you get from working a real job? I just don't get why people are fixated with 'more, bigger, better'

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 04:48 PM

enterthemadness, I'm not sure what you're really asking in your post, btw. Are you wanting forearm exercises or a critique of your workout routine? :huh:

jag

Kyalesyin

12-09-2006, 04:49 PM

Because some people have artistic vision for what and how they might want to transform their bodies...bodies which they own and have every right to do what they want with. You yourself obviously weren't happy with what you were born with, thus you have piercings and a tattoo. It would seem hypocrtical to criticize anyone else for pursuing the same fulfillment of looking the way they want to, no? For what it's worth, I applaud your personal decision to modify your body in the ways you have chosen to. :up:

jag

Wasn't that I wasn't happy with it. I got the tattoo because too many other people have left their mark on me and I wanted it to be visibly clear somewhere that I belong to me and only me. I got my ears peirced because I was the only person in my circle of friends that hadn't had it done. I don't think I've even worn earrings for the past three years.

I still don't understand the need to 'transform' like that. There are so many more important things to do.

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 04:51 PM

Wasn't that I wasn't happy with it. I got the tattoo because too many other people have left their mark on me and I wanted it to be visibly clear somewhere that I belong to me and only me. I got my ears peirced because I was the only person in my circle of friends that hadn't had it done. I don't think I've even worn earrings for the past three years.

I still don't understand the need to 'transform' like that. There are so many more important things to do.

But you still modified your body. You had your reasons, other people have theirs.

jag

ShadowBoxing

12-09-2006, 04:51 PM

Wasn't that I wasn't happy with it. I got the tattoo because too many other people have left their mark on me and I wanted it to be visibly clear somewhere that I belong to me and only me. I got my ears peirced because I was the only person in my circle of friends that hadn't had it done. I don't think I've even worn earrings for the past three years.

I still don't understand the need to 'transform' like that. There are so many more important things to do.We aren't trying to "modify our bodies", we're trying to maximize our potential, improve our health and extend our lifespans and quality of life.

And besides sitting on your duff eating potatoe chips is as much body modifying as exercise is...everything you do affects your body.

Kyalesyin

12-09-2006, 04:53 PM

But you still modified your body. You had your reasons, other people have theirs.

jag

Fair enough. However, I didn't and still don't feel the need to be constantly changing something. People who seem to think that loosing 20 pounds or getting surgery will fix all their problems confuse the heck outta me because in 99% of cases I can see no reason why they should want to change anything.

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 04:57 PM

Fair enough. However, I didn't and still don't feel the need to be constantly changing something. People who seem to think that loosing 20 pounds or getting surgery will fix all their problems confuse the heck outta me because in 99% of cases I can see no reason why they should want to change anything.

So you are in favor of stagnation and against change? Besides, I know very few people who think losing 20 pounds will fix all their problems, but they do recognize that it may help them feel better physically and mentally, be better for their health, and possibly could improve their self-esteem. I see no downsides to that, personally.

We aren't trying to "modify our bodies", we're trying to maximize our potential, improve our health and extend our lifespans and quality of life.

And besides sitting on your duff eating potatoe chips is as much body modifying as exercise is...everything you do affects your body.

That's where I was headed next with this convo. :up:

jag

enterthemadness

12-09-2006, 04:59 PM

enterthemadness, I'm not sure what you're really asking in your post, btw. Are you wanting forearm exercises or a critique of your workout routine? :huh:

jag

Forearm...I just wanted to brag about my workout. I started off like at 105 or 110 on the bench like...three weeks before halloween. I know I could get 140 at least once today, but I'm not sure If I could get all 5 reps by myself.

Kyalesyin

12-09-2006, 05:02 PM

So you are in favor of stagnation and against change? Besides, I know very few people who think losing 20 pounds will fix all their problems, but they do recognize that it may help them feel better physically and mentally, be better for their health, and possibly could improve their self-esteem. I see no downsides to that, personally.

jag
Not stagnation. Satisfaction. My wife was determined when I met her that she'd never be happy unless she lost a stone and a half and got breast implants. Shes done neither, but is almost entirely happy with her figure. Is this stagnation? No. This is progress, because it dealt with the issues behind this, instead of just covering them over.

enterthemadness

12-09-2006, 05:05 PM

What is better, really? Is it better to have shaved legs than hairy? Why? Is it better to have silicon breasts than natural ones, or artificial workout muscle instead of the long, lean stuff you get from working a real job? I just don't get why people are fixated with 'more, bigger, better'

Weight lifting can be a job...even career.

Shaved legs feel better imo. Well...I imagine there would if I actually had relationships with women.

It's a toss up. I prefer fake boobs than real ones, though some natural boobs are nice.

There's nothing artifical about workout muscle. It's artifical if you are using anything to get the muscle (Steroids, creatine(sp?) lesser extent protien shakes and bars)

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 05:05 PM

Forearm...I just wanted to brag about my workout. I started off like at 105 or 110 on the bench like...three weeks before halloween. I know I could get 140 at least once today, but I'm not sure If I could get all 5 reps by myself.

A word of warning about bragging about your weights; there's ALWAYS someone doing much more than you and making much better progress. :)

Forearms. There's several ways to work the forearms:

Wrist Curls (http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/WristFlexors/DBWristCurl.html)

and

Reverse Wrist Curls (http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/WristExtensors/DBReverseWristCurl.html)

are two pretty common staples for building forearms. There are lots of variations, but those are the basics.

jag

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 05:06 PM

Not stagnation. Satisfaction. My wife was determined when I met her that she'd never be happy unless she lost a stone and a half and got breast implants. Shes done neither, but is almost entirely happy with her figure. Is this stagnation? No. This is progress, because it dealt with the issues behind this, instead of just covering them over.

So you're a defeatist, then. Got it. :up:

jag

Kyalesyin

12-09-2006, 05:09 PM

Weight lifting can be a job...even career.

Shaved legs feel better imo. Well...I imagine there would if I actually had relationships with women.

It's a toss up. I prefer fake boobs than real ones, though some natural boobs are nice.

There's nothing artifical about workout muscle. It's artifical if you are using anything to get the muscle (Steroids, creatine(sp?) lesser extent protien shakes and bars)

See, the muscle thing is an interesting one. Muscles gained from working a day job, like the ones my cousins got when they started working for a tree surgeon, were a whole lot smaller than the ones my father got by gymming, but when they tested it they could push just as much as him, if not more in some cases. When I was doing marital arts I could heave a full demijon of cider onehanded, but I didn't have any visible muscle. The shape you get from pumping iron is very different from 'natural' muscle built up over a slow, continous period.

I never understood the fake boobs thing. I can't imagine why anyone would go through that, considering all the health problems they cause and the impediment with breast feeding and scarring.

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 05:15 PM

See, the muscle thing is an interesting one. Muscles gained from working a day job, like the ones my cousins got when they started working for a tree surgeon, were a whole lot smaller than the ones my father got by gymming, but when they tested it they could push just as much as him, if not more in some cases. When I was doing marital arts I could heave a full demijon of cider onehanded, but I didn't have any visible muscle. The shape you get from pumping iron is very different from 'natural' muscle built up over a slow, continous period.

You're operating under the misconception that weight training can only result in one type of muscle and result in only one type of body type. There are different approaches to lifting depending on if you're bodybuilding (lifting primarily for size), power lifting (lifting for strength), power building (lifting for size AND strength, which is primarily what I do), lifting for a specific sport, or many other approaches and purposes for weight training. In each case, though, the vast majority of these people are looking to maximize the full potential of their bodies and most of them do so completely naturally to boot. If the body responds to this type of muscle stimulation and grows more muscle, there is nothing unnatural about it at all as far as I'm concerned.

jag

enterthemadness

12-09-2006, 05:22 PM

You're operating under the misconception that weight training can only result in one type of muscle and result in only one type of body type. There are different approaches to lifting depending on if you're bodybuilding (lifting primarily for size), power lifting (lifting for strength), power building (lifting for size AND strength, which is primarily what I do), lifting for a specific sport, or many other approaches and purposes for weight training. In each case, though, the vast majority of these people are looking to maximize the full potential of their bodies and most of them do so completely naturally to boot. If the body responds to this type of muscle stimulation and grows more muscle, there is nothing unnatural about it at all as far as I'm concerned.

jag

Jag, in your honest opinion...how many bodybuilders and wrestlers do you think get big un-natural? (ie, steroids, creatine(sp?), protein shakes and bars)

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 05:27 PM

Jag, in your honest opinion...how many bodybuilders and wrestlers do you think get big un-natural? (ie, steroids, creatine(sp?), protein shakes and bars)

Well, I don't look at extra protein as being unnatural. Creatine is questionable because it's naturally found in the body, anyway, just not at the levels most people use it at. Steroids and pro-hormones, whether natural or synthesized, are another story, though, and that's really where I start using the term "unnatural". There are purely natural bodybuilding competitions that do testing, but even those attract individuals who have been juicing and cleaned out their system prior to contest time to pass any blood or piss tests they might have to pass. At the pro level, they're all juicing and it's horribly obvious (Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman didn't get like that from driniking protein shakes or eating a few extra steaks, kids). But, for the average bodybuilder who just lifts for strength, size and to look good, the vast majority of them don't use steroids and there are FAR more average gym-goers than their are pro's, so I would say that there is a much larger percentage of people who get big without anything other than a good diet, a good multi-vitamin, proper protein and BCAA and fast-absorbing carb intake, and a good training regiment (not to mention proper rest).

jag

Prodigy

12-09-2006, 06:33 PM

A word of warning about bragging about your weights; there's ALWAYS someone doing much more than you and making much better progress. :)

jag's right. I'm pushing about 280 consistently now ;)

Colossal Spoons

12-09-2006, 06:38 PM

Most 24 hour Fitness Gyms aren't even open 24 hours.

How so?

Colossal Spoons

12-09-2006, 06:45 PM

I never got body mods in general. I had my ears done when I was thirteen to see what all the fuss was about, and I have my name tattooed around my ankle, but aside from that I've never really seen the point. Why can't people just be happy with what they've got?

It's like your parents giving you a car; and you putting rims on it and getting a paint job/exhaust system. You're happy with it but just uprgrading. It's just like God/parents/whoever gave you your body.

"I'm just trying to put rims on my body."

jaguarr

12-09-2006, 07:00 PM

Colossal Spoons

12-09-2006, 07:05 PM

I've seen people that go to the gym and people too lazy or busy to go; but never somebody against it.

PhePhe112

12-10-2006, 12:51 AM

jaguarr

12-10-2006, 01:08 AM

i'm so proud of myself....i did 30 mins on the eliptical thing and 150 crunches. (i did 50, got on machine, 50 more, rested, 50 more)

but then i ate a bagel :( oh well....atleast i'm trying i guess!!

Your body needs fast absorbing protein directly after a workout. A whey shake with roughly 30-50 grams of protein should be about right. It's a very fast uptake protein that will feed your muscles immediately and make all that hard work you just did worth something. Slow absorbing carbs aren't going to do much for you immediately after a workout. Save the bagel and eat it an hour later with some peanut butter on it, but get the shake in you 10 minutes or so after your workout. :up:

jag

Iceman

12-10-2006, 12:36 PM

48 hours later and my arms are still useless :csad:

Lucky I took it easy on that first workout.

The_Dark_Knight

12-11-2006, 12:10 AM

And an assload of High Fructose Corn Syrup which very well may be the absolute worst thing you can put in your body. Ever.

jag

wow. didnt know that.

Is Red Bull ok??

Superman79

12-11-2006, 12:25 AM

^^ Um...not so much. Try water. Or if oyu must have sweetness to it, have a crystal lite.

The_Dark_Knight

12-11-2006, 12:40 AM

^^ Um...not so much. Try water. Or if oyu must have sweetness to it, have a crystal lite.

Damn. :csad:

What about those flavored waters? are those ok?

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 12:45 AM

Those get a green light :up:

Iceman

12-11-2006, 12:47 AM

60 hours later and my arms are still killing :eek: :(

Superman79

12-11-2006, 12:53 AM

60 hours later and my arms are still killing :eek: :(

what did you do???:huh:

Iceman

12-11-2006, 12:57 AM

what did you do???:huh:First time back in a while is the reason. I was doing back and biceps and I took it relatively easy but it aches like Hell.

PhePhe112

12-11-2006, 12:58 AM

well....i can't believe i didn't quit...2nd day in a row...go me!!!!

Iceman

12-11-2006, 01:00 AM

well....i can't believe i didn't quit...2nd day in a row...go me!!!!Haha, great start :up:

Superman79

12-11-2006, 01:05 AM

First time back in a while is the reason. I was doing back and biceps and I took it relatively easy but it aches like Hell.

sorry bro...yeah, lenghty breaks can be a B**ch...but the soreness does make you feel alive :woot:

Superman79

12-11-2006, 01:06 AM

well....i can't believe i didn't quit...2nd day in a row...go me!!!!

The greatest of journeys often begins with the smallest of steps :woot:

Iceman

12-11-2006, 01:20 AM

sorry bro...yeah, lenghty breaks can be a B**ch...but the soreness does make you feel alive :woot:Yeah hopefully I'll start feeling alive within a couple of days. :yay: I can't remember ever being this slow at recovering in the past, even after long term comebacks.

Superman79

12-11-2006, 01:22 AM

Yeah hopefully I'll start feeling alive within a couple of days. :yay: I can't remember ever being this slow at recovering in the past, even after long term comebacks.

well the time of year/weather probably doesn't help...and lets face it, NONE of us are getting any younger :csad::o

batnkevlar

12-11-2006, 01:23 AM

So, this is the right place to get questions answered, right?

Iceman

12-11-2006, 01:24 AM

well the time of year/weather probably doesn't help...and lets face it, NONE of us are getting any younger :csad::oYeahh, ...that makes me feel soooo much better :csad::csad::csad::woot:

Iceman

12-11-2006, 01:25 AM

So, this is the right place to get questions answered, right?We can try. Otherwise Jag and Shadowboxing seem to be the resident experts.

Superman79

12-11-2006, 01:31 AM

Yeahh, ...that makes me feel soooo much better :csad::csad::csad::woot:

LOL...I do what I can :woot:

Batnkevelar...you got a question???

SuperDude

12-11-2006, 02:18 AM

Well, I don't look at extra protein as being unnatural. Creatine is questionable because it's naturally found in the body, anyway, just not at the levels most people use it at. Steroids and pro-hormones, whether natural or synthesized, are another story, though, and that's really where I start using the term "unnatural". There are purely natural bodybuilding competitions that do testing, but even those attract individuals who have been juicing and cleaned out their system prior to contest time to pass any blood or piss tests they might have to pass. At the pro level, they're all juicing and it's horribly obvious (Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman didn't get like that from driniking protein shakes or eating a few extra steaks, kids). But, for the average bodybuilder who just lifts for strength, size and to look good, the vast majority of them don't use steroids and there are FAR more average gym-goers than their are pro's, so I would say that there is a much larger percentage of people who get big without anything other than a good diet, a good multi-vitamin, proper protein and BCAA and fast-absorbing carb intake, and a good training regiment (not to mention proper rest).

jag

I don't see anything wrong with creatine. As far as I see it, it's just like a protein shake. It's just giving your muscles more of something they need to develop. The instances that have given creatine it's bad reputation usually have involved drugs like ephedra as well. If you aren't dumb, creatine is just fine. :up:

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 08:16 AM

Creatine is more than fine, it's wonderful. Been on it for 3 months now and the strength/size gains are def noticable. :up::up:

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 09:04 AM

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 09:05 AM

Psh, hard to come across "lean" beef here on campus. I'm not even sure if what I eat sometimes is actually beef at all. :ninja:

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 09:06 AM

well the time of year/weather probably doesn't help...and lets face it, NONE of us are getting any younger :csad::o

Age doesn't mean much (to a certain degree). I'm bigger and stronger now than I ever was in high school or college, thanks to improved training and diet knowledge. I know guys in their 60's that are still ripped to the gills and could put any 20 year old through the ringer in the gym, too. Getting older just means you have to train smarter and allow for better recovery, to the point that you slap your forehead and go "Good God, I wish I'd known all of this when I was 20!".

jag

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 09:08 AM

Psh, hard to come across "lean" beef here on campus. I'm not even sure if what I eat sometimes is actually beef at all. :ninja:

Well, you're at the mercy of an industrial food service, which means you have a whole other set of problems in having to keep a VERY close eye on what you eat from there because a lot of that crap has an assload of junk in it including our old enemy HFCS and a metric tonne of sodium. I worked in the student food services in high school and during my first semester of college. Let's just say I never ate there unless there was no other option, and that was BEFORE I became so vigilant about what I put in my body. :eek:

jag

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 09:12 AM

I spend a good amount of time chatting with the university dietician, so I'm hopefully avoiding all the crap in the food.

Iceman

12-11-2006, 09:17 AM

Keep in mind that creatine doesn't work for everyone. If you eat enough red meat, creatine will probably have minimal to no affect on you. Creatine doesn't do a damn thing but make me bloaty and retain water, personally, but I eat lean beef twice a week. It's a waste of money for me, personally, so I save my money and spend it on a nice New York Strip Steak or three. :)

jagThe steak tastes a lot better too. :yay:

I've never given it a proper go. I started it (we're talking about 8 years ago) and then heard something about it causing your hair to fall out and that scared me off :woot:

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 09:18 AM

^I always said I'd try out the bald "Shaft" look when I get older; so no worries here :p

Iceman

12-11-2006, 09:20 AM

Age doesn't mean much (to a certain degree). I'm bigger and stronger now than I ever was in high school or college, thanks to improved training and diet knowledge. I know guys in their 60's that are still ripped to the gills and could put any 20 year old through the ringer in the gym, too. Getting older just means you have to train smarter and allow for better recovery, to the point that you slap your forehead and go "Good God, I wish I'd known all of this when I was 20!".

jagThe bigger guys I know are all older but I thought recovery time might get worse with age. It seems to be affecting me more than it ever used to. It's 3 days since I trained now (we're talking a very consevative average weight workout) and straightening or bending my arms is still a challenge.

Iceman

12-11-2006, 09:23 AM

^I always said I'd try out the bald "Shaft" look when I get older; so no worries here :pHaha, my hair's so short now that it wouldn't make too much difference if it fell out. I could just paint black where my hair would be and I'd look the same.

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 09:26 AM

The bigger guys I know are all older but I thought recovery time might get worse with age. It seems to be affecting me more than it ever used to. It's 3 days since I trained now (we're talking a very consevative average weight workout) and straightening or bending my arms is still a challenge.

How old are you? Do you do any stretching after your workouts? I'm not talking 3 minutes of it, I'm talking like 15-20 minutes of full body stretching. It might be worth your time to look into some yoga or work with a yoga instructor to develop and teach you how to stretch every muscle in your body in 15-20 minutes (a yogi might raise their eyebrows at this initially until you tell them why, so be prepared...those people like to stretch for like 2-3 hours at a time. LOL!). I learned an amazing range of stretches and techniques for limbering up through Aikido and Jiu-Jitsu, so that's where my stretching routine comes from. I do it after every workout and it takes roughtly 15 minutes to get through (leg day is the worst).

Also, make sure you're getting plenty of water every day (1-1.5 gallons over the course of the day), and if you're not using a good BCAA supplement I would highly recommend looking into one (I prefer Scivation Xtend). I use heavier doses of it before, during and after workouts as well as lighter doses on off days. It does make a difference in recovery.

jag

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 09:28 AM

I spend a good amount of time chatting with the university dietician, so I'm hopefully avoiding all the crap in the food.

My advice? Double-research everything they tell you. I've met dietician's that didn't know their ass from their elbow. And, a lot of them have no idea about eating to support a chronic weight lifting habit, either.

jag

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 09:32 AM

Oh, and on hair loss and creatine, this is sort of a fabled side-effect and no one's really pinpointed the cause because it doesn't happen to everyone who uses creatine, just a select, lucky few. :D The only constants that I've ever heard of in people who suffer hair loss related to creatine intake is that they were taking HUGE amounts of the stuff, they weren't using a pure creatine product (it was creatine mixed with other junk), and they weren't drinking enough water to support their bodies while taking it (which can also lead to kidney damage).

jag

Iceman

12-11-2006, 09:36 AM

How old are you? Do you do any stretching after your workouts? I'm not talking 3 minutes of it, I'm talking like 15-20 minutes of full body stretching. It might be worth your time to look into some yoga or work with a yoga instructor to develop and teach you how to stretch every muscle in your body in 15-20 minutes (a yogi might raise their eyebrows at this initially until you tell them why, so be prepared...those people like to stretch for like 2-3 hours at a time. LOL!). I learned an amazing range of stretches and techniques for limbering up through Aikido and Jiu-Jitsu, so that's where my stretching routine comes from. I do it after every workout and it takes roughtly 15 minutes to get through (leg day is the worst).

Also, make sure you're getting plenty of water every day (1-1.5 gallons over the course of the day), and if you're not using a good BCAA supplement I would highly recommend looking into one (I prefer Scivation Xtend). I use heavier doses of it before, during and after workouts as well as lighter doses on off days. It does make a difference in recovery.

jagI'm 28. No I never do more than 3 minutes stretching after a workout. I used to do martial arts regularly but haven't in a while so my flexibility has probably gone down a lot.

I drink ridiculous amounts of water. As for BCAAs I will be looking into them more now that I'm seriously getting back into the training but I didn't after this last workout. I used to use standard protein shakes after workouts but my training has been messed up for the last 6 months so I haven't really bothered with that side of things.

Iceman

12-11-2006, 09:43 AM

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 09:49 AM

I'm 28. No I never do more than 3 minutes stretching after a workout. I used to do martial arts regularly but haven't in a while so my flexibility has probably gone down a lot.

I drink ridiculous amounts of water. As for BCAAs I will be looking into them more now that I'm seriously getting back into the training but I didn't after this last workout. I used to use standard protein shakes after workouts but my training has been messed up for the last 6 months so I haven't really bothered with that side of things.

Yeah, good stretching after a heavy workout is highly recommended. It actually stimulates muscle growth (don't do heavy stretching before a workout or it will make you succeptible to injury), and keeps the muscles supple and limber.

My pre and post workout nutrition protocol looks like this:

1-1.5 hours prior to workout: 1/2 cup of oatmeal with 1/4 cup of raisins

30 minutes prior to workout: 2 vegetarian B-12 Dots dissolved under tongue (gives you a nice pump and energy boost, simliar to NO without all the nasty side effects)

15 minutes prior to workout: 6 scoops of Xtend in 24 oz. cold water. Sip throughout workout.

10 minutes after workout: 2 more scoops of Xtend in whatever's left from workout, plus 2 scoops of Waxy Maize Starch (I'll find the article about why I use this, but it's basically about fast absorbing complex carbs. I use this instead of maltodextrin or dextrose like many people use. I prefer Vitargo because it doesn't taste like ass like regular Waxy Maize Starch does, but it's more expensive and you can get WMS on the cheap from trueprotein.com), and more cold water.

30 minutes after WMS mix: 50 grams of whey protein and 5 grams of extra glutamine in a shake

45-60 minutes later: Eat a good sized meal. If I'm bulking I'll add in extra carbs, as this is prime time to feed the muscles.

jag

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 09:51 AM

Here's that article on post-workout nutrition I was talking about. When he talks about "High Molecular Weight (HMW)", he's talking about Waxy Maize Starch (WMS). :up:

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/67/54/

jag

Iceman

12-11-2006, 09:57 AM

Yeah, good stretching after a heavy workout is highly recommended. It actually stimulates muscle growth (don't do heavy stretching before a workout or it will make you succeptible to injury), and keeps the muscles supple and limber.

My pre and post workout nutrition protocol looks like this:

1-1.5 hours prior to workout: 1/2 cup of oatmeal with 1/4 cup of raisins

30 minutes prior to workout: 2 vegetarian B-12 Dots dissolved under tongue (gives you a nice pump and energy boost, simliar to NO without all the nasty side effects)

15 minutes prior to workout: 6 scoops of Xtend in 24 oz. cold water. Sip throughout workout.

10 minutes after workout: 2 more scoops of Xtend in whatever's left from workout, plus 2 scoops of Waxy Maize Starch (I'll find the article about why I use this, but it's basically about fast absorbing complex carbs. I use this instead of maltodextrin or dextrose like many people use. I prefer Vitargo because it doesn't taste like ass like regular Waxy Maize Starch does, but it's more expensive and you can get WMS on the cheap from trueprotein.com), and more cold water.

30 minutes after WMS mix: 50 grams of whey protein and 5 grams of extra glutamine in a shake

45-60 minutes later: Eat a good sized meal. If I'm bulking I'll add in extra carbs, as this is prime time to feed the muscles.

jagThanks. I'll incorporate the serious stretching post workout from today :up:

As for the pre and post workout intake, I'm not sure if I'll be able to stick to that much planning. On a weekday I go to the gym after work so I don't normally have time or mental space to give it too much consideration. A protein shake after a workout is easy to remember but I don't always get to eat at times I want as I also have to travel for almost an hour before I get to the gym on my way home from work. On weekends I can try a similar routine.

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 10:13 AM

Thanks. I'll incorporate the serious stretching post workout from today :up:

As for the pre and post workout intake, I'm not sure if I'll be able to stick to that much planning. On a weekday I go to the gym after work so I don't normally have time or mental space to give it too much consideration. A protein shake after a workout is easy to remember but I don't always get to eat at times I want as I also have to travel for almost an hour before I get to the gym on my way home from work. On weekends I can try a similar routine.

I workout after work, too, so I understand. Keep in mind consistency counts, though. Look into those Nature Valley granola bars (the hard, dry kind that don't have as much sugar and crap in them as the chewy ones). You could eat those during the hour you travel to the gym to get some complex carbs. Easy enough to keep the BCAA's, WMS and protein shake mix and some shakers in your gym bag, too. Shake up a protein shake when you get to the gym and drink it while you're getting changed into your workout clothes. Same goes for the B-12 dots if you wanted to use those. I know guys who drag giant coolers of food everywhere they go to make sure they get the proper nutrition every day, so this seems like a very easy problem to solve for you. It just takes a little planning is all. :)

jag

Iceman

12-11-2006, 10:32 AM

I workout after work, too, so I understand. Keep in mind consistency counts, though. Look into those Nature Valley granola bars (the hard, dry kind that don't have as much sugar and crap in them as the chewy ones). You could eat those during the hour you travel to the gym to get some complex carbs. Easy enough to keep the BCAA's, WMS and protein shake mix and some shakers in your gym bag, too. Shake up a protein shake when you get to the gym and drink it while you're getting changed into your workout clothes. Same goes for the B-12 dots if you wanted to use those. I know guys who drag giant coolers of food everywhere they go to make sure they get the proper nutrition every day, so this seems like a very easy problem to solve for you. It just takes a little planning is all. :)

jagThanks for the advice. I just need to spend a bit of time planning before the week (next week) begins. Once I've got a workable system in place I'm pretty good at sticking to it. It's the initial effort that is normally the barrier.

Here's that article on post-workout nutrition I was talking about. When he talks about "High Molecular Weight (HMW)", he's talking about Waxy Maize Starch (WMS). :up:

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/67/54/

jagInteresting and brain engaging reading. I used to read a lot more on the scientific side of how the body works in the earlier days. Now there are so many new theories it gets hard to keep up unless you keep reading regularly. Well at least I've got this place when I need things explained :yay: :up:

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 12:15 PM

Also, make sure you're getting plenty of water every day (1-1.5 gallons over the course of the day), and if you're not using a good BCAA supplement I would highly recommend looking into one (I prefer Scivation Xtend). I use heavier doses of it before, during and after workouts as well as lighter doses on off days. It does make a difference in recovery.

jag

Uh oh. Well maybe if you'd shake out your toxins more, you wouldn't have that problem....little guy. :D

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 12:18 PM

Uh oh. Well maybe if you'd shake out your toxins more, you wouldn't have that problem....little guy. :D

LOL! Go eat more of that industrial food, fatty! :cmad:

jag

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 12:33 PM

Iceman

12-11-2006, 12:34 PM

LOL! Go eat more of that industrial food, fatty! :cmad:

jagIs that where the Colossal part of the name comes from?

Cute.

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 12:35 PM

Is that where the Colossal part of the name comes from?

Cute.

Hahaha! :D

jag

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 12:37 PM

I'm really worried about how my diet will be affected once I graduate next May. I eat like 4-5 meals a day here at school but that sounds pretty damn expensive when I'm the one paying for the ingredients. Over at bb.com; some guy recommended those rotisserie chickens from the supermarket. It's like 1/2 a small chicken for not that much money. I refuse to eat pizza and burgers all day like the rest of my family.

Learn to cook several meals at once and store them in the refrigerator to eat over the course of several days. Every good bodybuilder needs to know how to cook for themselves. Eating healthy is not actually more expensive than eating garbage, it just takes more effort and planning.

jag

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 12:39 PM

Is that where the Colossal part of the name comes from?

Cute.

Hahaha! :D

jag

I wish Hi-C Ecto Cooler on the both of you. Now with more HFCS! :cmad:

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 12:40 PM

Learn to cook several meals at once and store them in the refrigerator to eat over the course of several days. Every good bodybuilder needs to know how to cook for themselves. Eating healthy is not actually more expensive than eating garbage, it just takes more effort and planning.

jag

The cooking part is easy enough, I just suck at reheating things without them tasting like soggy shoelaces.

Iceman

12-11-2006, 12:43 PM

I wish Hi-C Ecto Cooler on the both of you. Now with more HFCS! :cmad:When you originally registered what was your screen name? ...Spoons? ..Average Spoons? .Pre HFCS Spoons?

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 12:49 PM

It was "Little plastic spoon you get from icecream parlors".

Then I startin liftin'....

AndThePickles

12-11-2006, 12:49 PM

The cooking part is easy enough, I just suck at reheating things without them tasting like soggy shoelaces.

Remind me to never let you prepare leftovers :csad:

Iceman

12-11-2006, 12:52 PM

It was "Little plastic spoon you get from icecream parlors".

Then I startin liftin'....I aim to reach Colossal I/P standards one day :up:

Spider-Nerd

12-11-2006, 12:57 PM

lifting is awesome. 2 years ago i was skinny...now......not so much.

Iceman

12-11-2006, 12:59 PM

You can achieve a lot in two years :up:

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 01:02 PM

I wish I took it more seriously in high school. I spent my weight lifting class dickin around on the plyometrics course. :down:

Iceman

12-11-2006, 01:05 PM

What is/are plyometrics?

I took it much more seriously when I was young and only life commitments seem to have gotten in the way (temporarily) in recent years.

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 01:07 PM

Plyometrics is this insanely hard form of cardio that athletes do. The whole running through tires, obstacle course thing you see on TV. I was just goofin off but it's hard as hell.

Iceman

12-11-2006, 01:13 PM

Oh yeah that kind of thing isn't easy. Any activity's better than nothing though. A lot of people don't get serious about training till their mid to late twenties.

Superman79

12-11-2006, 03:10 PM

So I thought I'd share this with ya'll since you'd appreciate it and I'm rather proud. I went into Mens Wearhouse today to have a few alterations done to a suit of mine for a wedding this weekend.

I was told by the lady measuring me that if my arms get any bigger, I'm not going to be able to fit them and a shirt into my coat sleeves. :D

I thought that was pretty cool :D :p

PhePhe112

12-11-2006, 03:39 PM

Iceman

12-11-2006, 05:24 PM

Iceman

12-11-2006, 05:25 PM

well way to go!!!! now why not post a pic to show us all your hard work?? :DHow about you post some pics to show us the results of your hard work :woot:

Superman79

12-11-2006, 05:32 PM

Good stuff :up:

You're a lot more deserving of the name muscles4supes than the other guy :woot:

Hey thanks...I'll try to get a pic up (maybe of me in my Supes costume :woot:) I haven't measured them yet, but a female friend of mine did liken them to 2-liter bottles of Coke :woot: Which I take as a good thing

BTW- jag, I contribute a lot of new growth to the more regular ingestion of BCAA's post-workout and before bed like you have advocated :up:

Iceman

12-11-2006, 05:38 PM

Hey thanks...I'll try to get a pic up (maybe of me in my Supes costume :woot:) I haven't measured them yet, but a female friend of mine did liken them to 2-liter bottles of Coke :woot: Which I take as a good thing

BTW- jag, I contribute a lot of new growth to the more regular ingestion of BCAA's post-workout and before bed like you have advocated :up:Yeah I would definitely take the two litre bottle of coke comparison as a good thing :up: :p

Prodigy

12-11-2006, 05:40 PM

I cook all the time, I rarely ever eat out so I pack my lunch/snacks every day for work and cook dinner, and nothing I make is overly complicated. stir fry couldn't be easier if you do what I do... sunday night for like an hour, with the tv on, I'll sit and chop all my vegetables for the week, put them in bags in the freezer. usually when I get back from the grocery I divide things for the week. when I cook chicken I cook two at a time and store the next one for the following day's lunch. on sunday nights I also usually eat turkey loin, and will use the rest over the course of the week and reheat it in a wrap, stir fry, etc. sides usually aren't that hard (which is why I eat stir fry.. no need to make a side!), I usually have vegetables or rice or a salad. so I cook all the time, but my cooking is so easy, even a caveman could do it! ... I save the fancy cooking for sundays or if I need to impress chicks

Iceman

12-11-2006, 05:51 PM

Haha, I'm a lazy bastard. I know there's not that much to it when you plan it and are organised but I just can't be bothered to start the process. Time for me to change.

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 06:07 PM

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,chicken_stir_fry,FF.html

A few stir fry recipes. I'll try 'em out when I get home......I need a wok.

PhePhe112

12-11-2006, 07:51 PM

How about you post some pics to show us the results of your hard work :woot:

lol, i don't think you wanna see my gut....if i do get my abs i will post...but that'll probably take me forever!!

Superman79

12-11-2006, 08:11 PM

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,chicken_stir_fry,FF.html

A few stir fry recipes. I'll try 'em out when I get home......I need a wok.

I prefer going for a run...get it?? I kill me :woot:

Actually those recipes look great, I may have to try them.

As for cooking...love to do it...hard to find the time :csad:

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 08:16 PM

^Your jokes are too sophisticated for me. Straight outta the pages of The New Yorker lol.

AndThePickles

12-11-2006, 08:58 PM

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,chicken_stir_fry,FF.html

A few stir fry recipes. I'll try 'em out when I get home......I need a wok.

Mmmm all of those look delicious. You need a wok eh? See, THIS is where those kitchen appliance presents that you aren't looking forward to will come in handy!

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 09:03 PM

Mmmm all of those look delicious. You need a wok eh? See, THIS is where those kitchen appliance presents that you aren't looking forward to will come in handy!

A list of things I'd like to recieve as a wedding gift:

Thundercats Vol 1-2
Bowflex Selectek dumbells
A discount on a sofa-bed
A tub of BCAAs
Maybe something nice for you :o

See, no kitchenwear. I can buy that on my own.

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 09:05 PM

Wedding? Wait...hold the phone...have you guys gotten engaged?

jag

Superman79

12-11-2006, 09:10 PM

^^ Yeah...CS and ATP tying the knot??? whoa :wow:

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 09:12 PM

No, we're joking. Haha, easy there fellas; I'm still young and virile.

Superman79

12-11-2006, 09:15 PM

^^ You really had us going there for a sec...

AndThePickles

12-11-2006, 09:16 PM

We're not engaged, but I wasn't joking........kitchen gifts like woks really will come in handy in the future! All those other things except the sofa-bed I can buy you as presents silly.

And I'd like to think you'd get married while you're still young and virile! :cmad:

jaguarr

12-11-2006, 09:16 PM

No, we're joking. Haha, easy there fellas; I'm still young and virile.

Son, women never joke about getting married. They're just testing you. As a married guy myself, I give you this valuable piece of information. Use it wisely.

jag

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 09:18 PM

Son, women never joke about getting married. They're just testing you. As a married guy myself, I give you this valuable piece of information. Use it wisely.

jag

:ninja:

AndThePickles

12-11-2006, 09:18 PM

^^ You really had us going there for a sec...

CS is just being an ass; we'd just been having a conversation recently about how when you get older the only presents your family gives you are kitchen appliances and **** lol.

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 09:22 PM

CS is just being an ass; we'd just been having a conversation recently about how when you get older the only presents your family gives you are kitchen appliances and **** lol.

The value of your engagement ring just dropped one paycheck for that one. You're now down to 5 months pay and a kidney :o

Superman79

12-11-2006, 09:23 PM

CS is just being an ass; we'd just been having a conversation recently about how when you get older the only presents your family gives you are kitchen appliances and **** lol.

lol
it's cool...if I had a dime for everytime I joked about getting hitched, well, I'd have a dime :whatever::o...but i get the joke :woot:

AndThePickles

12-11-2006, 09:24 PM

The value of your engagement ring just dropped one paycheck for that one. You're now down to 5 months pay and a kidney :o

You know I don't need an expensive engagement ring. Your kidney covering it should do just fine. :o

Colossal Spoons

12-11-2006, 09:25 PM

A plague of HFCS on your house!

AndThePickles

12-11-2006, 09:25 PM

lol
it's cool...if I had a dime for everytime I joked about getting hitched, well, I'd have a dime :whatever::o...but i get the joke :woot:

But....I never made a joke about getting married :csad: I never mentioned marriage at all actually lol :huh:

Superman79

12-11-2006, 10:50 PM

But....I never made a joke about getting married :csad: I never mentioned marriage at all actually lol :huh:

you know what I mean...the running gag...about, you know...awww crap :csad::csad:

BAH HUMBBUG!

12-12-2006, 03:24 AM

What is/are plyometrics?

I took it much more seriously when I was young and only life commitments seem to have gotten in the way (temporarily) in recent years.

Plyometrics is this insanely hard form of cardio that athletes do. The whole running through tires, obstacle course thing you see on TV. I was just goofin off but it's hard as hell.

Umm not exactly, surprised no one has corrected you on this. Plyos are a form of exercise, but not directly cadrio. Just as power lifting is different from body building and plyomestrics are different from isometrics and isotonics.

Plyometrics are generally designed for people that engage in competitive sports. Developed for the sole purpose of improving performance, not looks or body form. Although they will improve your physique the same as any form of exercise, the excercises are targeted for enhancing performance.

Example of a plyometric exercise. Hand clapping pushups, performing a push up in such a manner that your hands leave the floor and you clap them together before landing again on them.

Generally plyometrics involve body-weight exercises. Not all do, but many.

If you want to perform plyometric exercises I highly recommend doing a few things first before starting a program of plyo exercises.

First research and learn about it, even go to a certified plyometric trainer (someone with good credentials would be best)

Exercise regularly for at least a few months before begining to make sure your body is in shape to being plyometric exercises, as they are hard and very strenuous (sp) on the body, you can easily hurt yourself trying to perform them.

Hope that helps clear up plyos a little more, I may not have included everything, but that should help give anyone a basic understanding.

Colossal Spoons

12-12-2006, 07:23 AM

^Yeah, definately didn't know all that. :up:

Iceman

12-12-2006, 07:24 AM

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,chicken_stir_fry,FF.html

A few stir fry recipes. I'll try 'em out when I get home......I need a wok.I'm bookmarking those. They sound good enough to make me think about cooking :up:

lol, i don't think you wanna see my gut....if i do get my abs i will post...but that'll probably take me forever!!Haha, I'll look forward to it. If you take things at a sensible pace with a steady diet and commitment to the training it'll probably take a few months at least but it'll be worth it and the gains will last. :yay:

Iceman

12-12-2006, 07:27 AM

Umm not exactly, surprised no one has corrected you on this. Plyos are a form of exercise, but not directly cadrio. Just as power lifting is different from body building and plyomestrics are different from isometrics and isotonics.

Plyometrics are generally designed for people that engage in competitive sports. Developed for the sole purpose of improving performance, not looks or body form. Although they will improve your physique the same as any form of exercise, the excercises are targeted for enhancing performance.

Example of a plyometric exercise. Hand clapping pushups, performing a push up in such a manner that your hands leave the floor and you clap them together before landing again on them.

Generally plyometrics involve body-weight exercises. Not all do, but many.

If you want to perform plyometric exercises I highly recommend doing a few things first before starting a program of plyo exercises.

First research and learn about it, even go to a certified plyometric trainer (someone with good credentials would be best)

Exercise regularly for at least a few months before begining to make sure your body is in shape to being plyometric exercises, as they are hard and very strenuous (sp) on the body, you can easily hurt yourself trying to perform them.

Hope that helps clear up plyos a little more, I may not have included everything, but that should help give anyone a basic understanding.Thanks for the explanation. :up: I'm just restarting training after a fairly long break so I'd probably have to wait a while before considering this kind of thing.

PhePhe112

12-12-2006, 11:05 PM

ok so...tonight i'm feeling it!! i'm in so much pain :( i think i may skip tomorrow...but then cont. thursday.

Superman79

12-12-2006, 11:12 PM

ok so...tonight i'm feeling it!! i'm in so much pain :( i think i may skip tomorrow...but then cont. thursday.

skip lifting? or skip cardio??

PhePhe112

12-12-2006, 11:18 PM

both....after i sleep i might change my mind and do it anyways.

Superman79

12-12-2006, 11:26 PM

both....after i sleep i might change my mind and do it anyways.

I would recommend (since you are kinda just getting started [right??]) to at the very least do 30 minutes of light jogging/bike. Not real far or fast, just enough to engage your system a bit.

The biggest thing is to get in the habit of working out. They say you need to do something 30 times before it becomes habit. Besides, if you're aching, that's good and you can work through it (lightly of course)...if you are in genuine PAIN then stop. :woot:

jaguarr

12-12-2006, 11:50 PM

Umm not exactly, surprised no one has corrected you on this. Plyos are a form of exercise, but not directly cadrio. Just as power lifting is different from body building and plyomestrics are different from isometrics and isotonics.

Plyometrics are generally designed for people that engage in competitive sports. Developed for the sole purpose of improving performance, not looks or body form. Although they will improve your physique the same as any form of exercise, the excercises are targeted for enhancing performance.

Example of a plyometric exercise. Hand clapping pushups, performing a push up in such a manner that your hands leave the floor and you clap them together before landing again on them.

Generally plyometrics involve body-weight exercises. Not all do, but many.

If you want to perform plyometric exercises I highly recommend doing a few things first before starting a program of plyo exercises.

First research and learn about it, even go to a certified plyometric trainer (someone with good credentials would be best)

Exercise regularly for at least a few months before begining to make sure your body is in shape to being plyometric exercises, as they are hard and very strenuous (sp) on the body, you can easily hurt yourself trying to perform them.

Hope that helps clear up plyos a little more, I may not have included everything, but that should help give anyone a basic understanding.

Good explanation, Bah. I didn't have time to respond to this, the other day. :up:

jag

Kritish

12-12-2006, 11:52 PM

I myself follow a strict regiment of rum and deep fried snickers bars.
You should try it yourself...

kainedamo

12-13-2006, 06:29 AM

Hey guys, I'm having problems.

This is my second week of jogging (since I stopped jogging awhile ago) and I'm having problems. I noticed I started getting aches and pains about last week. Yesterday, I decided to give jogging a rest. Today, I had my exercising stuff on me and was doing my warm ups. I do 40 or more jumping stars and run on the spot. Well, I got to about 20 on the jumping stars, and my back was aching way too much (about the middle of my back) to continue. I decided to run on the spot, see how that would go. I couldn't do it - I just hurt too much. So I'm gonna skip out on jogging today too.

What am I doing wrong? Is it my situps or something causing this? Or am I being a whiney *****, does everyone get these aches and just continue anyway?

Colossal Spoons

12-13-2006, 11:50 AM

What exactly is a "jumping star"?

jaguarr

12-13-2006, 11:55 AM

What exactly is a "jumping star"?

Who is Peg Entwhistle, Alex? :D

(Look it up).

jag

Colossal Spoons

12-13-2006, 12:01 PM

Aaah, jacks.

y2jversion1

12-13-2006, 12:07 PM

Superman79

12-13-2006, 12:09 PM

Where exactly are you getting the pains? Is it just your mid back?

Situps & crunches done with crappy form can definately mess with your spine..

not to mention your running form and your shoes...if you're hitting the pavement too hard the pressure shoots right up your spine.

Ever try jogging on grass? or at least a track?? those are softer on your stride

y2jversion1

12-13-2006, 12:12 PM

not to mention your running form and your shoes...if you're hitting the pavement too hard the pressure shoots right up your spine.

Ever try jogging on grass? or at least a track?? those are softer on your stride

True - some people, even with the 'right' shoes and the 'right' track would still get the pains do to podiatric imbalances like flat-feet, fallen arches etc. and would require orthotics - that's why I generally tell folks to use a bike or the elliptical trainer as it eliminates the shock/pressure that Superman79 is mentioning.

AndThePickles

12-13-2006, 12:18 PM

Aaah, jacks.

Ooooh. I wonder why we call them jumping jacks instead of stars here.:huh:

Colossal Spoons

12-13-2006, 12:19 PM

Ooooh. I wonder why we call them jumping jacks instead of stars here.:huh:

Cuz Americans have to reason for why we say things.

Superman79

12-13-2006, 01:55 PM

True - some people, even with the 'right' shoes and the 'right' track would still get the pains do to podiatric imbalances like flat-feet, fallen arches etc. and would require orthotics - that's why I generally tell folks to use a bike or the elliptical trainer as it eliminates the shock/pressure that Superman79 is mentioning.

Let not forget my personal favorite: The rowing machine!!! :woot:

That or running on a treadmill with the incline set AT LEAST to 5.5 (much easier on your knees and ankles according to a Harvard and UCLA study :up:

BAH HUMBBUG!

12-13-2006, 02:45 PM

kainedamo

12-13-2006, 05:20 PM

Thanks for the advice guys.

Considering the advice, I think I'll just stop the jogging for now. I should get a bike then. I haven't got any soft ground (like grass) about really that I can jog on. My jogging route - I go to a place called the walkway, beside the lagon, and jog around it, over the bridge, past the waterfront, over another bridge, over the walkway again, and back home.

What you guys describe sounds quite bad, so I'll just stop.

kainedamo

12-13-2006, 05:23 PM

Where exactly are you getting the pains? Is it just your mid back?

Situps & crunches done with crappy form can definately mess with your spine..

Sometimes mid back, sometimes my sides, sometimes my ankles. My lower legs are kinda sore right now. I haven't even jogged in two days.

Superman79

12-13-2006, 07:34 PM

Sometimes mid back, sometimes my sides, sometimes my ankles. My lower legs are kinda sore right now. I haven't even jogged in two days.

soreness is ok, PAIN is bad...

just remember when you get a bike (if its not a stationary) you have to ride a lot to get the same calorie burn (coasting deosn't count) :woot:

kainedamo

12-13-2006, 08:49 PM

It sucks I can't jog now and have to wait to get a bike. I have a belly. I need exercise.

Prodigy

12-13-2006, 09:52 PM

walk... if you hadn't exercised in a while and went straight into jogging (I'm too lazy to read back further) then you probably started too quickly. I would say if you haven't exercised a lot, you should build up a lot slower than just jumping right in and starting to jog. start out the first week... walk 20-30 minutes a day at a leisurely pace, one where you could talk to a partner but not sing. the next week, bump it up to 40-45 minutes. work your way up in pace from there, try to go further in the same time. and be sure to stretch, warm-up, and cool down.

raybia

12-14-2006, 05:06 PM

In attempting to build mass, is it best to increase the number of reps in each set (8, 10, 10, 12) and decrease the weight

Or

to decrease the reps (12, 10, 10, 8) as you increase the weight?

I've seen both avocated and I'm confused.

Colossal Spoons

12-14-2006, 05:09 PM

Mass/Strength = less reps, more weight

Sculpting/Endurance=more reps, less weight

It's science :up:

I'm currently bulking up and I'm on the 6x6x6 routine. It works wonderfully :D

raybia

12-14-2006, 05:13 PM

Colossal Spoons

12-14-2006, 05:18 PM

I go up in weight each set. Oh yeah, it works. The next thing I'm gonna try after a while is the 5x5x5x5x5 routine :up:

raybia

12-14-2006, 05:23 PM

I go up in weight each set. Oh yeah, it works. The next thing I'm gonna try after a while is the 5x5x5x5x5 routine :up:

Is there a min # of reps that should be performed to maximize muscle growth?

Colossal Spoons

12-14-2006, 05:28 PM

I was always told that 6 should do it if you're mainly going for size and strength. You want good explosive lifts(while maintaining good form, that's key).

raybia

12-14-2006, 05:30 PM

I was always told that 6 should do it if you're mainly going for size and strength. You want good explosive lifts(while maintaining good form, that's key).

I've been lifting 8 to 10. So I would get more benefit decreasing to 6? (For the purpose of growth)

Colossal Spoons

12-14-2006, 05:33 PM

10 is definately getting into endurance territory. You could get away with 8, but only start w/ 8 and do less reps more weight as you progress through your exercise.

raybia

12-14-2006, 05:40 PM

10 is definately getting into endurance territory. You could get away with 8, but only start w/ 8 and do less reps more weight as you progress through your exercise.

Good advise. I'll try it for the next month.

Superman79

12-14-2006, 05:51 PM

Mass/Strength = less reps, more weight

Sculpting/Endurance=more reps, less weight

It's science :up:

I'm currently bulking up and I'm on the 6x6x6 routine. It works wonderfully :D

I've (at various times in the last 5 years, including for the next 6 weeks) used a system that Lee Labrada used for a long time for both strength and size gain.

10 reps with the heaviest weight you can do with good form for 10
6 reps (at least, more if you can) with the same heavy wieght
8 reps with a lighter weight (drop about 15-20% from first sets)
10 reps (drop again by 15-20% from last set)

Rest 60-90 seconds between sets.

It worked well for me, yeah I didn't pack on mass as fast as with straight heavy/lowrep sets, but man the muscle i did pack on was all quality in size and strength...without the extra little pooch that comes with mass gain.

Just thought I'd toss it out there :woot:

Pirateking

12-14-2006, 05:55 PM

Pirateking's method of staying fit =

Run around a pub all day like an idiot. Put wait on by drinking lager and eating inappropriate foods, loose wait with aforementioned running...and dropped 22 gallon barrels on foot and then having resorting to hopping.

Prodigy

12-14-2006, 06:37 PM

10 isn't getting into endurance territory, 15+ is though. muscle growth works in two ways... one is myofibrils increase in number and density in muscle fiber. this type of growth leads to strength gains and is done by using heavy weights that allow roughly between 1 and 6 or 7 repetitions.

the second type of growth is when your muscles are forces to contract for longer periods of time. this meals lighter loads allowing 12 to 15 reps. this increases the number of energy-producing structures in the fibers of muscle. so you don't get significantly stronger, but you do get bigger.

muscle growth occurs best when muscle is in tension for about 90 to 120 seconds. if it takes 5 seconds to do one rep, one set of eight is 40 seconds. so, you'd only need three sets (3x40 = 120) to stimulate muscle growth. or four sets of five, or two sets of twelve.

using a repetition range of 10 or so (most people think 3 sets of 10 is the magic combo) does a little bit of both (size and strength), but each to a lesser extent. a much more efficient workout is to use all three rep ranges over the course of a week in three full-body workouts. for example... four sets of five on monday, two sets of fifteen on wednesday, three sets of 10 on friday. not only does it ensures better growth, but also keeps you from plateaus.

I've been doing three full body lifting workouts a week for over a year now and when workout buddies started lifting with me, they saw results so much faster than splitting up body parts in the week (back/chest one day, etc, which I myself used to do too). doing the full body workouts, I don't workout nearly as hard as I did before and still get in better shape faster. it's so much easier to maintain the muscle now that I don't want to get bigger, and maintain it while I was losing a couple pounds for definition.

Colossal Spoons

12-14-2006, 06:43 PM

user123456789

12-14-2006, 06:47 PM

for optimal growth, use ALL rep ranges.

/discussion.

Colossal Spoons

12-14-2006, 06:48 PM

^Way to cover every base you punk :p

Prodigy

12-14-2006, 06:57 PM

he just said basically the exact same thing I did.. just less verbose

Colossal Spoons

12-14-2006, 07:12 PM

True, everybody does something diff. I've never done the full body routine that you do cuz I just like the feeling of targetting a specific group each workout.

BAH HUMBBUG!

12-15-2006, 12:20 AM

Note to anyone wanting to lose weight.

Cut 500 calories a day from your diet and you will lose 1lb a week.

Of course if you are only eating 1,000-1,500 calories a day I do not recommend it.

Iceman

12-15-2006, 12:46 AM

^I've never heard of doing 10 reps in order to gain size/strength but everybody works differently. 10x10x10 isn'y my magic combo as I think 6x6x6 is the greates thing I've ever done(coming from 12-10-8) :up:When I reach a plateau mixing it up always helps. Otherwise 6x6x6 works perfectly (for me) when I just want to gain strength and size.

PhePhe112

12-15-2006, 04:50 AM

ok i suck, i didn't work out last night :(

::goes to hottest women thread to get motivated again::

Iceman

12-15-2006, 05:01 AM

::goes to hottest women thread to get motivated again::Great source of motivation :woot:

jaguarr

12-15-2006, 07:54 AM

The only thing I'm going to add to the rep/set discussion is that as you advance in your lifting you'll start to find that some body parts respond better to different rep configurations. For instance, with my quads, bi's, traps and calves, a bit higher volume of reps per set brings better growth than say my pec's, hammies, lats and tri's. And, with my lower back work, lower reps than everything else seems to work better overall to stimulate growth without instigating chronic pain issues. So, experiment a bit and find out what's going to work best for you.

jag

Iceman

12-15-2006, 08:15 AM

I don't even train traps specifically any more. I think I remember seeing some pictures of guys with disproportionately oversized traps which put me off. :(

jaguarr

12-15-2006, 08:21 AM

I don't even train traps specifically any more. I think I remember seeing some pictures of guys with disproportionately oversized traps which put me off. :(

Shrugs are such a great trap and shoulder builder, not to mention they help develop grip as well. MOST guys have horribly UNDERtrained traps but there are exceptions where someone's taken it to extremes like you're referencing. It's pretty difficult to get oversized traps like that and you almost have to go out of your way to do it unless your traps are genetically mutated or something.

jag

Iceman

12-15-2006, 08:32 AM

Shrugs are such a great trap and shoulder builder, not to mention they help develop grip as well. MOST guys have horribly UNDERtrained traps but there are exceptions where someone's taken it to extremes like you're referencing. It's pretty difficult to get oversized traps like that and you almost have to go out of your way to do it unless your traps are genetically mutated or something.

jagMaybe I need to put them back into the shoulder routine. I've totally forgot about them to be honest since I've restarted. Maybe the traps I've seen are actually proportionate but they just look funny to me on certain guys who are seriously big. I'm sure I can cure my trap-phobia. :p

Colossal Spoons

12-15-2006, 08:43 AM

Aw man, shrugs are the greatest. And like Jag said, you get one mean ass grip too. :up:

My form standing up was incorrect and my back was beginning to hurt so now I do 'em kneeling down.

Iceman

12-15-2006, 08:47 AM

Ok I think I'm convinced now. My traps will be feeling the pain in a few days time.

Colossal Spoons

12-15-2006, 08:51 AM

Don't stop till you look like Brock Lesnar! :D

Iceman

12-15-2006, 08:51 AM

Don't stop till you look like Brock Lesnar! :D:woot: I think he might be the guy where I developed this trap-phobia.

enterthemadness

12-15-2006, 09:28 AM

I'm going to workout later today and am planning on doing a set of burnouts after I've done everything else. Since my bench max is 135, what should the weight be on the burnouts? I am thinking 115, but is that too much?

I try for 140 this coming up Monday. I know I cna get it, but am unsure if I can get all 5 reps both times.

jaguarr

12-15-2006, 09:31 AM

Burnouts? You mean lifting to failure? :huh:

jag

enterthemadness

12-15-2006, 09:54 AM

Burnouts? You mean lifting to failure? :huh:

jag

...yes. Do as many as you can, until you can't do no more.

jaguarr

12-15-2006, 09:59 AM

...yes. Do as many as you can, until you can't do no more.

Training to failure on purpose is okay on a very sparingly rare occassion to "shock" the muscles when all else has failed (change in routine, change in rep/set config, deloading, etc.). But, as a general rule, I'm really not a big fan of doing so (especially on a regular basis) because the strain it puts on the Central Nervous System (CNS) is very great and results in your body needing much more time to heal because now it not only has to heal the muscle fiber damage that you did but the excess CNS damage as well. Healing and resting is where growth happens, not in the gym. More is not better, better is better. I'd rather push myself right up to the edge of failure and not over it so that my body will heal faster and more completely before the next workout. This results in more consistency and efficiency in muscle growth whereas working to failure on a regular basis will simply slow recovery and healing and therefore growth.

jag

enterthemadness

12-15-2006, 10:09 AM

Training to failure on purpose is okay on a very sparingly rare occassion to "shock" the muscles when all else has failed (change in routine, change in rep/set config, deloading, etc.). But, as a general rule, I'm really not a big fan of doing so (especially on a regular basis) because the strain it puts on the Central Nervous System (CNS) is very great and results in your body needing much more time to heal because now it not only has to heal the muscle fiber damage that you did but the excess CNS damage as well. Healing and resting is where growth happens, not in the gym. More is not better, better is better. I'd rather push myself right up to the edge of failure and not over it so that my body will heal faster and more completely before the next workout. This results in more consistency and efficiency in muscle growth whereas working to failure on a regular basis will simply slow recovery and healing and therefore growth.

jag

.....is once a month too much? I actually like doing this, but haven't done so since this spring/early summer in high school (senior year)

jaguarr

12-15-2006, 10:10 AM

.....is once a month too much? I actually like doing this, but haven't done so since this spring/early summer in high school (senior year)

I wouldn't do it more than once ever 2-3 months, personally, but knock yourself out. If you want to overtrain I'm not going to try too hard to talk you out of it.

jag

enterthemadness

12-15-2006, 10:18 AM

I wouldn't do it more than once ever 2-3 months, personally, but knock yourself out. If you want to overtrain I'm not going to try too hard to talk you out of it.

jag

:csad: I don't want to over train. I want to get big and healthy.

:cmad: Like a Tiger!

:dry:

jaguarr

12-15-2006, 10:48 AM

:dry:

jag

Iceman

12-15-2006, 10:49 AM

:dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry:

enterthemadness

12-15-2006, 10:54 AM

:dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry:

*cough*

Anyway....anyone here using anything to get big?

Lobo

12-15-2006, 10:56 AM

Is it wrong that I like being fat and lazy and have no desire to get into shape :confused:

jaguarr

12-15-2006, 10:58 AM

*cough*

Anyway....anyone here using anything to get big?

Yeah. Food and hard work.

jag

jaguarr

12-15-2006, 11:00 AM

Is it wrong that I like being fat and lazy and have no desire to get into shape :confused:

Not really. If it's right for you and you're comfortable with a more sedentary lifestyle and the increased health risks that accompany it, that's really your choice, man.

jag

TEDDY

12-15-2006, 11:40 AM

Yeah, fitness! Put the Cheetos down and start working out!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v618/teddybear007/dsdf.gif?t=1166204210

Damn... I need to slow down with the sit-ups :(

Iceman

12-15-2006, 11:41 AM

That's worthy of a :woot:

TEDDY

12-15-2006, 11:44 AM

That's worthy of a :woot:

Thanks.:csad: I'm going to Burger King now. I think I busted a seam...

Iceman

12-15-2006, 11:45 AM

Thanks.:csad: I'm going to Burger King now. I think I busted a seam...You're one poster who sticks to their theme very well :up::p

enterthemadness

12-15-2006, 11:46 AM

Yeah. Food and hard work.

jag

That's what I do too.

I no longer eat protein bars. I want to get as big as I can (without the use of anything besides work and food)

Is that the teddy from Bean?

TEDDY

12-15-2006, 11:49 AM

You're one poster who sticks to their theme very well :up::p

Theme?:huh:

enterthemadness

12-15-2006, 11:59 AM

Theme?:huh:

I doubt you are a teddy bear for real.

:ninja: althugh if you are, then the fountain of youth is real.

TEDDY

12-15-2006, 12:04 PM

I doubt you are a teddy bear for real.

:ninja: althugh if you are, then the fountain of youth is real.

Do you watch VH1? On one of their "CELEBS BUY EXPENSIVE ****" series. They revealed that David Copperfield bought an island where he claims to have found the fountain of youth. He then bought the two islands surrounding that one so that no one could get to it without his authorization.

The fountain of youth exists. I'm a TEDDY. Deal with it.:yay:

Back to fitness...

enterthemadness

12-15-2006, 12:11 PM

Do you watch VH1? On one of their "CELEBS BUY EXPENSIVE ****" series. They revealed that David Copperfield bought an island where he claims to have found the fountain of youth. He then bought the two islands surrounding that one so that no one could get to it without his authorization.

The fountain of youth exists. I'm a TEDDY. Deal with it.:yay:

Back to fitness...

And I'm the real life hulk...

So, why is Cardio so important? (Yes, a dumb question. BUT...first one to answer it gets a *cookie*)

jaguarr

12-15-2006, 12:13 PM

You're offering cookies for answers in a FITNESS thread? :cmad:

jag

TEDDY

12-15-2006, 12:16 PM

And I'm the real life hulk...

So, why is Cardio so important? (Yes, a dumb question. BUT...first one to answer it gets a *cookie*)

Impove blood flow? Oxygen flow? Strengthen lung power? Maximize workout time?

How many cookies do I get? And why didn't you tell me you were the Hulk? Wait are you the hulk now? Or are you puny Banner? Hulk Hogan?

How about muscular workout?

Iceman

12-15-2006, 12:18 PM

You're offering cookies for answers in a FITNESS thread? :cmad:

jagJag, can you keep the kids under control please :csad:

jaguarr

12-15-2006, 12:23 PM

Impove blood flow? Oxygen flow? Strengthen lung power? Maximize workout time?

Rather than say maximize workout time, I'd phrase it as maximize efficiency in workout time so that you're able to push harder and get the most out of your allotted workout time.. I would also add that it increase metabolic rate, pushes nutrients into the bloodstream (depending on when you do it), aids in burning fat which is useful both for cutting and buliking, and improves your overall cardiovascular and heart health which lends itself to life longevity.

jag