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Saved
10-24-2009, 02:09 PM
I do a lot of weight training, and I heard that long distance running could be counter-productive to muscle growth.
That might explain a few things...

mrvlknight21
10-24-2009, 02:13 PM
Mh...I've never done internval training, mainly cause I hate to run at my max for extended periods of time. I did hear there was some kind of benefit cause your body needs to properly absorb oxygen through the fast heart rate and low heart rate.

What I do is just run at a fast jog (6.5-7.5mph) for like five to seven miles. I've found it effective for myself but I had to work up to it. At first I did running non stop for two miles, then worked up to three, then worked up to four (breaking for a walk when I needed it), and then I just settled in and could add extra miles whenever I wanted with no consequence.

This is my suggestion to you for a new cardio plan. Other than that, I've got nothing else to offer (cardio wise).

Its not running at your max for extended periods of time. The work periods are shorter than the active rest (jog pace periods).
There are lots of studies that show many benefits that interval running (interval training) has over the traditional roadwork (3+ miles at a slower pace for example).

Just remember on what you are training for..i.e. what are your goals? If you want to run distance/marathons/etc, then by all means make distance work a part of your program.

If you look at my sig, there is a page from this thread where I gave a lot of info about HIIT training and lots of links with research/ideas/programs also.



Also, to Manic, long distance could be bad for muscle gain/retention but it really does require a good bit of it. 3-5 mile run shouldn't hurt your gains....although intervals are much better anyway.

Saved
10-24-2009, 02:22 PM
Its not running at your max for extended periods of time. The work periods are shorter than the active rest (jog pace periods).
There are lots of studies that show many benefits that interval running (interval training) has over the traditional roadwork (3+ miles at a slower pace for example).

Just remember on what you are training for..i.e. what are your goals? If you want to run distance/marathons/etc, then by all means make distance work a part of your program.

If you look at my sig, there is a page from this thread where I gave a lot of info about HIIT training and lots of links with research/ideas/programs also.



Also, to Manic, long distance could be bad for muscle gain/retention but it really does require a good bit of it. 3-5 mile run shouldn't hurt your gains....although intervals are much better anyway.
Ah, okay. Yeah I'm not in the 'know' for Cardio.

mrvlknight21
10-24-2009, 06:31 PM
Ah, okay. Yeah I'm not in the 'know' for Cardio.


It's cool man, we are all at different stages, but all still learning. Just remember that there are set in stone rules for a majority of fitness stuff and that you should train for what your own goals are.

As far as the running vs muscle growth, it has been said many times, look at a marathon runner's body versus a sprinters body. That is a somewhat skewed, yet still accurate account of distance running versus intervals.

Marathon/distance runner (yes, this guy pooped himself, but thats not what the picture is for):

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt300/peon2000/runner_crap_fail.jpg


VERSUS

Sprinter:

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr201/cblayze21/TysonGay.jpg



On a side note, my fitness website is up and running. If anyone wants to check it out, PM me.

Saved
10-24-2009, 06:40 PM
Cool man, I'll check it out. Just pm it to me. I kinda just make up my own routines and what works I keep and what doesn't I drop. I really wanna get P90x cause having someone else tell me how to do things for a change would be great.

Manic
10-24-2009, 06:58 PM
I've been giving some thought toward a new cardio routine, and I'm thinking I might try some back and forth sprinting (and maybe shuffling) drills. I've noticed that the aerobics/spinning room at the gym seems to be empty 90% of the time, so I'm thinking of snatching that room up after I'm done lifting. The plan is to sprint from wall to wall (length of time to be determined), then rest (length of time will probably be double my sprint time) and repeat until I collapse. Then it's just a matter of loading myself onto a dolly and rolling out of there.

Golgo-13
10-25-2009, 02:22 PM
Oh my... :(

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt300/peon2000/runner_crap_fail.jpg

mrvlknight21
10-25-2009, 03:32 PM
Oh my... :(

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt300/peon2000/runner_crap_fail.jpg

Hey man, where have you been?

Check your PMs.

Golgo-13
10-25-2009, 06:54 PM
Hey man, where have you been?

Check your PMs.

Busy. Just with life in general. I'm still working out though, and still training Brazilain Jiu Jitsu.

Good to see you're still holding down the fort!

Manic
10-26-2009, 08:21 PM
I tried out my new cardio plan today. After 10 minutes of 20-second sprints and 40-50 second walks, I felt like I was gonna die. So I must be doing something right.

NotFadeAway
10-26-2009, 09:10 PM
Hey, are Betty Crockers Instant mashed potatoes any different from peeling and cutting potatoes from a sack. I would make mashed pototoes with skim milk for both and I can eat them plain, but I'm tired of cutting up potatoes.

Colossal Spoons
10-26-2009, 09:11 PM
It's going to be heavily processed and not as nutritious as real potatoes

Saved
10-26-2009, 09:25 PM
Nice avy, Spoons. :up:

Colossal Spoons
10-26-2009, 09:26 PM
Thank ya

Anita18
10-26-2009, 10:41 PM
Hey, are Betty Crockers Instant mashed potatoes any different from peeling and cutting potatoes from a sack. I would make mashed pototoes with skim milk for both and I can eat them plain, but I'm tired of cutting up potatoes.
I have tried instant...and it's gross. :oldrazz: Heavily processed. Kind of like Easy Mac, which gives me headaches if I eat it too often.

And I'm often too lazy to peel potatoes, so I just leave 'em on. Turns out they're better for you that way too. :up:

Saved
10-27-2009, 12:10 AM
Yeah, I thought a lot of nutrients were in the skin of all fruits, vegtables, starches, etc.

mrvlknight21
10-27-2009, 08:42 AM
I tried out my new cardio plan today. After 10 minutes of 20-second sprints and 40-50 second walks, I felt like I was gonna die. So I must be doing something right.

Thats the point of the intervals-wear you out quick! Much more efficient way to burn calories and fat than long periods on the treadmill and all.
I think you will see some very good results from this, as long as your diet is in check.

Manic
10-27-2009, 09:14 PM
Because I'm terrible at remembering exactly what I do from week to week, I've started a journal over at Bodybuilding.com's forum: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=119940301

On another note, I've finally started using my bodybuilding.com account for more than just buying ON Whey.

Manic
10-27-2009, 09:15 PM
Because I'm terrible at remembering exactly what I do from week to week, I've started a journal over at Bodybuilding.com's forum: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=119940301

On another note, I've finally started using my bodybuilding.com account for more than just buying ON Whey.

mrvlknight21
10-28-2009, 08:33 AM
Because I'm terrible at remembering exactly what I do from week to week, I've started a journal over at Bodybuilding.com's forum: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=119940301

On another note, I've finally started using my bodybuilding.com account for more than just buying ON Whey.

Good deal. Lots of good info/tools over there for training.

DeGenerate10
10-28-2009, 10:33 PM
I'm in desperate need of some hamstrings. Mine are way to small right now and it's killing my physique. Seems like my legs altogether are too small :(

Anita18
10-28-2009, 11:34 PM
I'm in desperate need of some hamstrings. Mine are way to small right now and it's killing my physique. Seems like my legs altogether are too small :(
It depends on your body type. LOTS of people are top-heavy and have stick legs.

I think general lower body exercises like squats and deadlifts are supposed to be good for developing that area.

Vort
10-29-2009, 01:19 AM
Ok, I have a question.

I used to be in shape. Ran 3+ miles a day, did weights 1 hour a day, benched 315 max and practiced jujitsu 2 per week for 1-2 hours per session.

Since that time I have had 7 surgeries. The more surgeries I've had, the less I have worked out until I quit years ago. I worked a physical job at the time, but still put on about 70 pounds too much. It just hurts to damn much to do work outs anymore. My metabolism has slowed and I eat MUCH less than I did while I was in shape, but it takes so little to keep the weight on me as I aged.

My latest surgery is a back surgery which the doc had take out the disc and replace it with a plastic one, drill in 2 titanium rods to hold the bottom 2 in place and now I'm basically HAVING to lose wieght to help with the back problem. I had to have the surgery due to a work accident which blew out my lowest disc.

So my question is, what low impact excercises do you suggest to lose wieght and get in some sort of shape again after I finish rehabbing from this surgery. I have a tread mill and expect to be using that. Anything else I should be looking into?

FYI, my major surgery beside my back that bothers me is my right knee surgery, a special gift from my football days. So low impact for my knee and my back.

Thanks in advance.

Colossal Spoons
10-29-2009, 01:30 AM
Since you're so limited as to what exercises you can do, you'd better focus on tracking your calories big time. Eat 500 less than your maintenance caloric intake for a few weeks and see if you lose some weight. If not, eat less than that.

Vort
10-29-2009, 01:50 AM
Since you're so limited as to what exercises you can do, you'd better focus on tracking your calories big time. Eat 500 less than your maintenance caloric intake for a few weeks and see if you lose some weight. If not, eat less than that.

Good advice that I'm already doing since the surgery. I've lost about 10 pounds so far.

I now I can not do alot now, except lay in bed and go to PT, but is there some form of excerise beside walking that you might know of that would fit this profile?

I was thinking of swimming, but the closest pool that I would have access to will be closed after I get off of work. :(

Colossal Spoons
10-29-2009, 01:58 AM
Got a bike?

Anita18
10-29-2009, 02:09 AM
Good advice that I'm already doing since the surgery. I've lost about 10 pounds so far.

I now I can not do alot now, except lay in bed and go to PT, but is there some form of excerise beside walking that you might know of that would fit this profile?

I was thinking of swimming, but the closest pool that I would have access to will be closed after I get off of work. :(
Damn, I was going to suggest swimming. Aqua exercises are the only thing my mom can do since it's low-impact and doesn't involve lifting anything heavy. (I'd like her to start something more substantial, but that's another story entirely. She certainly hasn't had a disc replaced, nevermind the 7 surgeries!)

How about yoga? It sounds girly, but it's fairly low-impact and you actually do have to work to hold the positions. My best friend loses muscle tone if she doesn't do yoga for a while, but she also doesn't do a lot of strength training, so...I dunno. :funny: Couldn't hurt to try, at least.

Developing a strong core will help with your back recovery, I think. Working out my obliques automatically makes me stand up straighter, that's for sure.

uchiha_itachi
10-29-2009, 09:39 AM
Hey guys,i was wondering if i could get a bit of advice. i starting going to the Gym properly recently, been going say 3 times a week or 5 times actually since i been on holiday. when im back at work im gonna go say 4 times a week for around an hour.

im weigh 70kg atm and im just toning up and wanting to put on a little bit of wieght. when im at the gym i start off by going on the rowing machine for around 10mins then go on the bike machine for 5mins then i do about 40 reps on each machine i go on, ones working chest, back of my arms, biceps and i also do about 60 sit ups and say 40 bycycle crunches.

does this seem like a good routine to you guys? i think im seeing some results and im not expecting to have brad pitts body in two weeks or anything...just wondering if it seems good?

DeGenerate10
11-02-2009, 08:18 PM
What kind of weight training splits do you guys use?

Saved
11-02-2009, 08:21 PM
Actually I have a question about that. Should I do pullups and push ups on different days? I've been doing them on the same day for a month but I'm worried about overtraining.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 08:28 PM
Nah, you should be fine doing them both on the same day. what else are you doing on those days? And how often are you doing them?

Saved
11-02-2009, 08:37 PM
I've been doing about 200 pullups, about 600-700 pushups (various kinds, not just the regular ones), dips, tricep extensions, and bicep curls. That's everyother day, on the other days of the week I do about half our to an hour of abs.

I feel like I need to split this up more.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 08:40 PM
Whoa! 200 pullups is an amazing feat but pretty much the definition of overtraining; same with all those pushups. Add some weight and decrease your number of reps or you're just wasting your time.

An hour of abs? Sweet Christmas! Cut that down too.

You ever read the page in Jag's signature?

Saved
11-02-2009, 08:43 PM
That's why I need to buy P-90x or something so I can do more effective exercises in less time.

I will say one thing, I've gotten a lot more definition in my arms in the last month. Any tips on how to increase effectiveness in the ab exercises so I can cut that time down?

EDIT Never read the page in Jag's sig. Didn't he disapear?

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 08:49 PM
You can work your abs 2x a week and get great results. Pick 5 or 6 ab exercises, split them in half and do them 2x a week. Tues and Sat for instance, just leave enough time to rest and repair the ab muscle tissue. And when in doubt, add weight. You can still aim for 3 sets of 6-12 reps.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 08:52 PM
Here (http://jaguarr.110mb.com/Jaguarrs_Music_Page/Bodybuilding.html). Read up :up:

Saved
11-02-2009, 08:53 PM
Keep in mind I don't go to the gym, I have a pull up bar and a lat pulldown/butterfly machine, two long bars (not iron, some orbitron deal) about 200 lbs in weights, two 30lb dumbells, and 1 40lb dumbell. So for abs I pretty much do leg raises and crunches.

Thanks for the site :up:.

Manic
11-02-2009, 08:56 PM
Good news: I had a successful job interview after school, and I've got my ass a winter job.

Bad news: I didn't want to work out between class and the interview, I just got home from the interview, and now I have to wait until 9pm for the gym to get less crowded before working out.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 08:58 PM
Keep in mind I don't go to the gym, I have a pull up bar and a lat pulldown/butterfly machine, two long bars (not iron, some orbitron deal) about 200 lbs in weights, two 30lb dumbells, and 1 40lb dumbell. So for abs I pretty much do leg raises and crunches.

Thanks for the site :up:.

Leg raises and crunches for 60 mins? I need to see this lol. Here are some more exercises:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/finder/lookup/filter/muscle/id/13/abs

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:00 PM
Good news: I had a successful job interview after school, and I've got my ass a winter job.

Bad news: I didn't want to work out between class and the interview, I just got home from the interview, and now I have to wait until 9pm for the gym to get less crowded before working out.

I got some bad news too. I was busy at work and didn't eat my normal amount(prob got 700 calories today) so I had to skip the gym :down:

Anita18
11-02-2009, 09:02 PM
Whoa! 200 pullups is an amazing feat but pretty much the definition of overtraining; same with all those pushups. Add some weight and decrease your number of reps or you're just wasting your time.

An hour of abs? Sweet Christmas! Cut that down too.

You ever read the page in Jag's signature?
Sweet Christmas is right! I thought for sheer muscle growth, the rule was less reps, more weight? If your muscles aren't fatigued by the time you finish 3-5 sets, you're simply not doing enough weight.

Maximizing reps with small amounts of weight is how women are typically told to train for "lean muscles." :oldrazz: Probably not what you're going for, and even for women I think that's bullcrap. I do as much weight as I can for everything and I'm still quite lean and thin.

Not that I have a prayer of even doing ONE pullup, but my arms have gotten visibly larger by doing as much weight as I can, which admittedly isn't much since I have trouble initiating bicep curls, but I do each rep very slowly so the muscle is fatigued anyway. Maybe you can try doing each rep more slowly, just to mix things up.

That's why I need to buy P-90x or something so I can do more effective exercises in less time.

I will say one thing, I've gotten a lot more definition in my arms in the last month. Any tips on how to increase effectiveness in the ab exercises so I can cut that time down?
Increase your weight? :oldrazz:

What are you looking for? Bigger abs, or just definition? Sheer ab definition likely requires some diet changes as well, since they're very likely a bunch of muscle there that isn't showing up under a layer of fat. It's kind of embarrassing how many people forget this - once I was at a Body Worlds exhibit and multiple times I heard people say, "Wow, this guy's got a six-pack too!" Well yeah, EVERYBODY would have a six-pack if they were stripped of their skin and fat. :o

Saved
11-02-2009, 09:02 PM
Aw, thanks a lot, man. Now I can do some variation here and hopefully do less.

Also, I kid you not, up until the last week (because I was sick, so I fell off the bandwagon) I was running about 40 miles a week in addition to the routines I said above. Needless to say, time management and efficiency are my main objectives right now.

Saved
11-02-2009, 09:04 PM
Sweet Christmas is right! I thought for sheer muscle growth, the rule was less reps, more weight? If your muscles aren't fatigued by the time you finish 3-5 sets, you're simply not doing enough weight.

Maximizing reps with small amounts of weight is how women are typically told to train for "lean muscles." :oldrazz: Probably not what you're going for, and even for women I think that's bullcrap. I do as much weight as I can for everything and I'm still quite lean and thin.

Not that I have a prayer of even doing ONE pullup, but my arms have gotten visibly larger by doing as much weight as I can, which admittedly isn't much since I have trouble initiating bicep curls, but I do each rep very slowly so the muscle is fatigued anyway. Maybe you can try doing each rep more slowly, just to mix things up.


Increase your weight? :oldrazz:

What are you looking for? Bigger abs, or just definition? Sheer ab definition likely requires some diet changes as well, since they're very likely a bunch of muscle there that isn't showing up under a layer of fat. It's kind of embarrassing how many people forget this - once I was at a Body Worlds exhibit and multiple times I heard people say, "Wow, this guy's got a six-pack too!" Well yeah, EVERYBODY would have a six-pack if they were stripped of their skin and fat. :oI'm on a strict diet and I have like no fat between my abs and my skin, so I know I need to get the ab muscles bigger or perhaps more defined. I've got a four pack now but I want that six and I also am trying to get my obliques bigger too.

And by strict diet, I mean I eat only natural foods and lean meats.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:08 PM
Sweet Christmas is right! I thought for sheer muscle growth, the rule was less reps, more weight? If your muscles aren't fatigued by the time you finish 3-5 sets, you're simply not doing enough weight.

Maximizing reps with small amounts of weight is how women are typically told to train for "lean muscles." :oldrazz: Probably not what you're going for, and even for women I think that's bullcrap. I do as much weight as I can for everything and I'm still quite lean and thin.

Not that I have a prayer of even doing ONE pullup, but my arms have gotten visibly larger by doing as much weight as I can, which admittedly isn't much since I have trouble initiating bicep curls, but I do each rep very slowly so the muscle is fatigued anyway. Maybe you can try doing each rep more slowly, just to mix things up.

Strength = 1-5 reps
Mass = 6-8(maybe 10)
Endurance = 10-12

Please, you can do some pullups. There's nothing better than seeing people do a pullup who don't think they ever could; women, overweight people, etc. I'm the first dude in the gym to congratulate somebody who knocks out a few pullups when they're just starting to do them :D

Anita18
11-02-2009, 09:11 PM
Strength = 1-5 reps
Mass = 6-8(maybe 10)
Endurance = 10-12

Please, you can do some pullups. There's nothing better than seeing people do a pullup who don't think they ever could; women, overweight people, etc. I'm the first dude in the gym to congratulate somebody who knocks out a few pullups when they're just starting to do them :D
I just remember the boys in middle school making fun of me because I was so skinny and weak. :csad: (And I'm a chick, that tells you something about how skinny and weak I was. :funny: ) I'm much stronger now, but I just haven't gotten myself over to the pullup machine to start training them. :funny: I still have trouble initiating a 25-lb bicep curl on the machine, something tells me I wouldn't be able to whip out a pullup magically...

One of these days, though. :hehe:

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 09:13 PM
I've been doing about 200 pullups, about 600-700 pushups (various kinds, not just the regular ones), dips, tricep extensions, and bicep curls. That's everyother day, on the other days of the week I do about half our to an hour of abs.

I feel like I need to split this up more.

Legs????

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:14 PM
He only needs them to run!

Saved
11-02-2009, 09:14 PM
Legs????
Running and the occasional squats. I really don't do much for legs and I probably should. My hamstrings could use some bulk.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:15 PM
I just remember the boys in middle school making fun of me because I was so skinny and weak. :csad: (And I'm a chick, that tells you something about how skinny and weak I was. :funny: ) I'm much stronger now, but I just haven't gotten myself over to the pullup machine to start training them. :funny: I still have trouble initiating a 25-lb bicep curl on the machine, something tells me I wouldn't be able to whip out a pullup magically...

One of these days, though. :hehe:

Is there an assisted pullup machine at your gym?

Saved
11-02-2009, 09:17 PM
I remember reading about using a resistance band to aid in pullups for beginners.

SsM
11-02-2009, 09:19 PM
Pssh, depending on the band you choose.. Some of them can be even more difficult than the pull up itself.

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 09:19 PM
Strength = 1-5 reps
Mass = 6-8(maybe 10)
Endurance = 10-12

Please, you can do some pullups. There's nothing better than seeing people do a pullup who don't think they ever could; women, overweight people, etc. I'm the first dude in the gym to congratulate somebody who knocks out a few pullups when they're just starting to do them :D

2nd pretty much all this.

I'm much stronger now, but I just haven't gotten myself over to the pullup machine to start training them. :funny: I still have trouble initiating a 25-lb bicep curl on the machine, something tells me I wouldn't be able to whip out a pullup magically...:

Pullup machine??? There is no such thing. Pullups are done on bars or rings.

Anita18
11-02-2009, 09:20 PM
Is there an assisted pullup machine at your gym?
There is, I mentioned I just haven't gotten myself over there yet. :oldrazz:

That's what I meant by pullup machine, which tells you how familiar I am with this whole fitness thing. :funny: It took me SUCH a long time to figure out what the hell that back exercise doohicky was. I think it's called a roman chair, but I'm still not that sure.

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 09:21 PM
I remember reading about using a resistance band to aid in pullups for beginners.

Pssh, depending on the band you choose.. Some of them can be even more difficult than the pull up itself.

I think SYn is referring to the method of using the band to assist yourself to get a pullup (wrap over bar and under legs/feet)

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:22 PM
There is, I mentioned I just haven't gotten myself over there yet. :oldrazz:

That's what I meant by pullup machine, which tells you how familiar I am with this whole fitness thing. :funny: It took me SUCH a long time to figure out what the hell that back exercise doohicky was. I think it's called a roman chair, but I'm still not that sure.


Oh, when you said "pullup machine", I thought you meant the unassisted, regular-ass pullup bar. You have nothing to fear when it comes to the assisted machine, you can start out as light as you want. This is prob why Mrvl hates it, because you can make it a little too easy and slow your progress by becoming complacent.

enterthemadness
11-02-2009, 09:22 PM
I can do like 5 goods pull ups for sure.

The thing with me, is that I just eat food and sometimes don't eat enough. But I work out and do cardio now. Think I do HITT cardio. I did 13 mins. It's when you go slow(well, not fast) for 2 minutes, fast for 1 minute, then repeat, right? In 13 minutes and like a 1 minute cool down, I did just over 1.5 miles and like 122 calories. On a esclipse machine (the one with the bars for your hand, **** treadmills and running outside)

Incline Press

1 set 12 210
1 set 10 240
3 set 6 250
1 set 5 255

Dumbbell Bench Press

1 set 10 40bs
3 set 8 45lbs.

^ Getting better with my form. Does it matter if I bring them together and cling them or no? I just bring them down right by the chest or below the chest and push up.

Dips 4 set 10

Tricep PullDown

1 set 10 100
3 set 10 120

Tomorrow is squat day. My max is still at 170...but I've lost reps at 160 and up. I should just buy a weight belt. Where can I buy one at? Hibbet Sports?

Also do LatDown Pulls. And I guess seated leg press, as I've moved pullups to bicep/shoulders day.

Saved
11-02-2009, 09:22 PM
I think SYn is referring to the method of using the band to assist yourself to get a pullup (wrap over bar and under legs/feet)
Exactly :up:

SsM
11-02-2009, 09:24 PM
Depending on what kind of Pull up it is.. I can do a very wide range of reps for the different ones. I remember a few years ago I couldn't even do 1 or any.

Saved
11-02-2009, 09:26 PM
I do the narrow, neutral, wide, and reverse wide grips. I'm probably gonna start doing the wide grip where you pull up and the bar is behind your head, as opossed to in front of it.

enterthemadness
11-02-2009, 09:26 PM
I use that lame Pull up/Dip Machine with that assisted chair. I always pull that thing down. Rather earn my 5-8 pull ups and 10 dips. People have actually commented on my dips. I feel I can always improve them, but I feel it in my chest and triceps.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:27 PM
I can do like 5 goods pull ups for sure.

The thing with me, is that I just eat food and sometimes don't eat enough. But I work out and do cardio now. Think I do HITT cardio. I did 13 mins. It's when you go slow(well, not fast) for 2 minutes, fast for 1 minute, then repeat, right? In 13 minutes and like a 1 minute cool down, I did just over 1.5 miles and like 122 calories. On a esclipse machine(:facepalm:) (the one with the bars for your hand, **** treadmills and running outside)

Incline Press

1 set 12 210
1 set 10 240
3 set 6 250
1 set 5 255

Dumbbell Bench Press

1 set 10 40bs
3 set 8 45lbs.

^ Getting better with my form. Does it matter if I bring them together and cling them or no?(Don't cling them too hard, but it's ok to bring them together) I just bring them down right by the chest or below the chest and push up.

Dips 4 set 10

Tricep PullDown

1 set 10 100
3 set 10 120

Tomorrow is squat day. My max is still at 170...but I've lost reps at 160 and up. I should just buy a weight belt. Where can I buy one at? Hibbet Sports?(I'm sure they have them at whatever sports store you're talking about)

Also do LatDown Pulls. And I guess seated leg press, as I've moved pullups to bicep/shoulders day.

Lat. Pull. Down.

SsM
11-02-2009, 09:28 PM
My arms were starting to really improve before I had to stop for my surgery.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:29 PM
They'll be there when you're all healed up :mad:

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 09:30 PM
Oh, when you said "pullup machine", I thought you meant the unassisted, regular-ass pullup bar. You have nothing to fear when it comes to the assisted machine, you can start out as light as you want. This is prob why Mrvl hates it, because you can make it a little too easy and slow your progress by becoming complacent.

Or maybe just bc it is BS!
Pullup machine....give me a break.

I can do like 5 goods pull ups for sure.

The thing with me, is that I just eat food and sometimes don't eat enough. But I work out and do cardio now. Think I do HITT cardio. I did 13 mins. It's when you go slow(well, not fast) for 2 minutes, fast for 1 minute, then repeat, right? In 13 minutes and like a 1 minute cool down, I did just over 1.5 miles and like 122 calories. On a esclipse machine (the one with the bars for your hand, **** treadmills and running outside)

Incline Press

1 set 12 210
1 set 10 240
3 set 6 250
1 set 5 255

Dumbbell Bench Press

1 set 10 40bs
3 set 8 45lbs.

^ Getting better with my form. Does it matter if I bring them together and cling them or no? I just bring them down right by the chest or below the chest and push up.

Dips 4 set 10

Tricep PullDown

1 set 10 100
3 set 10 120

Tomorrow is squat day. My max is still at 170...but I've lost reps at 160 and up. I should just buy a weight belt. Where can I buy one at? Hibbet Sports?

Also do LatDown Pulls. And I guess seated leg press, as I've moved pullups to bicep/shoulders day.

Wow...where to begin with this post???

Its HIIT, not HITT

I dont know what the hell a esclipse machine is...do they make those from leftover Mitsubishi Eclipses???? LOL. That aside, you cant do true HIIT on an elliptical machine.

No, you dont need a weight belt....ever....but especially not to squat 170 bro.

Why would you move Pullups from back day to bicep/shoulder day???
Pullups are THE back exercise, period.

Latdown pulls huh?? ok.

SsM
11-02-2009, 09:30 PM
I know...

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:31 PM
Haha, you're such a drill sergeant :heart:

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 09:31 PM
I do the narrow, neutral, wide, and reverse wide grips. I'm probably gonna start doing the wide grip where you pull up and the bar is behind your head, as opossed to in front of it.You are asking for an injury with that one. I dont care if Will Smith did it in " I am Legend."

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:32 PM
I know...

Just be ready to hit 'em hard Hamercock!

enterthemadness
11-02-2009, 09:32 PM
Lat. Pull. Down.

When I run my hair bounces up and down :o and it can be short at the time. I just feel comfortable on that machine.

Okay, I bring them together now. Bringing them together like...helps out the chest more, right?

Lat. Pull. Down. I try and remember that.

Hibbett Sports. You haven't heard of them?

http://www.hibbett.com/

Saved
11-02-2009, 09:33 PM
Wow, really? Is there no safe way to do it?

SsM
11-02-2009, 09:34 PM
Just be ready to hit 'em hard Hamercock!


Pssh, I'm ready.. I tried to do some lighjt curls the day after the surgery.. like.. 30 lbs.. MAn.. I was out of it!! Don't even remember doing them.


I've git a coouple more dya before i cna hut it hard.

enterthemadness
11-02-2009, 09:37 PM
Or maybe just bc it is BS!
Pullup machine....give me a break.



Wow...where to begin with this post???

Its HIIT, not HITT
I dont know what th
e hell a esclipse machine is...do they make those from leftover Mitsubishi Eclipses???? LOL. That aside, you cant do true HIIT on an elliptical machine.

No, you dont need a weight belt....ever....but especially not to squat 170 bro.

Why would you move Pullups from back day to bicep/shoulder day???
Pullups are THE back exercise, period.

Wow, I'm still a failure at gym stuff. Oh well.

Why can't you do true HIIT on a Mitsubishi Eclipses?

In high school I always needed a weight belt. My back feel like it's popping out of being locked in and shift to right side when I go up on squats. Maybe I just need to visit a site and refresh my memory of locking in my back?

Fine, fine, I move pull ups back to back/Leg day. I just though because pull ups also work your shoulders, it be better to add to to my shoulder day?

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 09:37 PM
When I run my hair bounces up and down :o and it can be short at the time. I just feel comfortable on that machine.

Okay, I bring them together now. Bringing them together like...helps out the chest more, right?

Lat. Pull. Down. I try and remember that.

Hibbett Sports. You haven't heard of them?

http://www.hibbett.com/

I know Hibbett. I bought many of my dumbbells there. Did you read my post? Go back, read and comprehend it, please.

Wow, really? Is there no safe way to do it?

Its just risky...standby I will try to find an article.

Here is one...but there are plenty out there. Read all of #2 on this list.
http://www.criticalbench.com/exercise_injury_free.htm

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:37 PM
Okay, I bring them together now. Bringing them together like...helps out the chest more, right?

Bringing them together doesn't "help" your chest per se. It just completed the range of motion. the noise they make should be minimal. If you're smashing them together and bits of metal fall in your face, you're doing it too hard.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 09:38 PM
[/B]You are asking for an injury with that one. I dont care if Will Smith did it in " I am Legend."

That scene made me cringe, even though Pickles was swooning lol

Saved
11-02-2009, 09:39 PM
If you're smashing them together and bits of metal fall in your face, you're doing it too hard.
Nickel for everytime... :hehe:

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 09:41 PM
That scene made me cringe, even though Pickles was swooning lol

Yeah, I did the same thing. (cringe, not swoon).

enterthemadness
11-02-2009, 09:45 PM
[/b]You are asking for an injury with that one. I dont care if Will Smith did it in " I am Legend."

Will Smith can only do that because...well, he's Will Smith. Kinda like he can be in the awful Wild Wild West movie and everybody in America can forgive him for it. I know I can, I just blocked my time at the theater outta my mind. Outta. My. Mind.:dry:

I know Hibbett. I bought many of my dumbbells there. Did you read my post? Go back, read and comprehend it, please.



Its just risky...standby I will try to find an article.

Here is one...but there are plenty out there. Read all of #2 on this list.
http://www.criticalbench.com/exercise_injury_free.htm

I don't wanna read something 3 or 4 times before it sinks into my damn head (which does happen at times)

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 09:45 PM
Wow, I'm still a failure at gym stuff. Oh well.

Why can't you do true HIIT on a Mitsubishi Eclipses?

In high school I always needed a weight belt. My back feel like it's popping out of being locked in and shift to right side when I go up on squats. Maybe I just need to visit a site and refresh my memory of locking in my back?

Fine, fine, I move pull ups back to back/Leg day. I just though because pull ups also work your shoulders, it be better to add to to my shoulder day?

Go to the page listed in my sig about HIIT for the answer to the 1st one.

No, you didnt/still dont need a belt, you needed proper form.

Pullups involve your shoulders but dont really "work" them. Pullups are a...THE back exercise.

Manic
11-02-2009, 09:45 PM
Ah, pullups. I haven't attempted them in so long. I really doubt I could do one, since I still weigh around 240, and I can only do 150lbs on the lat pulldown.

enterthemadness
11-02-2009, 09:50 PM
Go to the page listed in my sig about HIIT for the answer to the 1st one.

No, you didnt/still dont need a belt, you needed proper form.

Pullups involve your shoulders but dont really "work" them. Pullups are a...THE back exercise.

:awesome: hold up. So basically...you are saying.......that in high school I had to wear one so the school wouldn't get in trouble if I broke my back in half? That I don't really need it. So If I imagine I have a weight belt on, I can do it? Like the little train that could? I think I can, I think I can? It's all in my head :awesome:

Anita18
11-02-2009, 09:51 PM
Or maybe just bc it is BS!

Pullup machine....give me a break.
I'm a 110-lb girl-stick, cut me a break. :csad:

Pullups involve your shoulders but dont really "work" them. Pullups are a...THE back exercise.
THE back exercise, eh? Maybe I ought to get on this. I've mostly been focusing on lower back exercises, since that's where my parents are by far the weakest and I figured I needed to build up that area now before I fall apart in my 50s.

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 09:56 PM
I'm a 110-lb girl-stick, cut me a break. :csad:


THE back exercise, eh? Maybe I ought to get on this. I've mostly been focusing on lower back exercises, since that's where my parents are by far the weakest and I figured I needed to build up that area now before I fall apart in my 50s.

Doesnt matter, guy or girl, large or small...EVERYONE should do pullups. You can ask Spoons though...I might be a little bit biased.

Look at the pullup program/info on the page listed in my sig if you need some tips or whatever. Or you can PM me.

Yes, they are THE back exercise. Im glad you are working the lower back, it is often a weak point and can be injured easily if it isnt strong (I had some lower back problems a few years ago in fact).

Also, if you cant get a single one, I can offer some methods to help you work up to your first one. Let me know.

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 09:57 PM
:awesome: hold up. So basically...you are saying.......that in high school I had to wear one so the school wouldn't get in trouble if I broke my back in half? That I don't really need it. So If I imagine I have a weight belt on, I can do it? Like the little train that could? I think I can, I think I can? It's all in my head :awesome:

I say you dont need it. I also say that nobody needs it to squat 170.

enterthemadness
11-02-2009, 10:00 PM
I say you dont need it. I also say that nobody needs it to squat 170.

What if you were squating a staggering 200lbs :awesome: (my all-time MAX!)

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 10:01 PM
What if you were squating a staggering 200lbs :awesome: (my all-time MAX!)

Nope.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 10:04 PM
I'm a 110-lb girl-stick, cut me a break. :csad:


THE back exercise, eh? Maybe I ought to get on this. I've mostly been focusing on lower back exercises, since that's where my parents are by far the weakest and I figured I needed to build up that area now before I fall apart in my 50s.

Doesnt matter, guy or girl, large or small...EVERYONE should do pullups. You can ask Spoons though...I might be a little bit biased.

Look at the pullup program/info on the page listed in my sig if you need some tips or whatever. Or you can PM me.

Yes, they are THE back exercise. Im glad you are working the lower back, it is often a weak point and can be injured easily if it isnt strong (I had some lower back problems a few years ago in fact).

Also, if you cant get a single one, I can offer some methods to help you work up to your first one. Let me know.

It's true. I was intimidated by the pullup until about a year or 2 ago. I remember when I could maybe do 2 or 3. Now I can get 4 sets of 6-7 and I'm a 230lb man-bear, not really built for pullups either.

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 10:05 PM
It's true. I was intimidated by he pullup until about a year or 2 ago. I remember when I could maybe do 2 or 3. Now I can get 4 sets of 6-7 and I'm a 230lb man-bear, not really built for pullups either.

Thats why you are the man.
:awesome:

enterthemadness
11-02-2009, 10:08 PM
Nope.

If you were a student and said that to my high school coach he'd say really really fast 'Give me 10 push ups! :o that coach was awesome.

I weighed under 140lbs in 10th grade when i maxed out at 200 in Squats. Is that....:wow:?

:o and then I cheated mulpitle times on push up tests, and I cheated for my partners too. :awesome: didn't get caught...ever. But I did get questioned.

Coach: Last week...it says you did 50. But today you did 29. What is up with that?

Me: I dunno.

Manic
11-02-2009, 10:11 PM
Damn. Cheat realistically. If you only had about 30 pushups in you, you should've said you did 40.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 10:14 PM
Thats why you are the man.
:awesome:

Thank you sir. Tomorrow is back day :D

enterthemadness
11-02-2009, 10:17 PM
Damn. Cheat realistically. If you only had about 30 pushups in you, you should've said you did 40.

One time, I was paired up with some prep/jock guy...and like...He did I dunno how many, but I know I actually did like 50-55. But I think we said we did like 70+.

As for the 'Says u did 50, but you did 29 this week thing' I dunno if he actually said those numbers. But the coach really did question me one time. Might have been that 70+ , but on the next test I did like 35:o? I just remember it was some ridiculous margin.

Anita18
11-02-2009, 10:19 PM
Doesnt matter, guy or girl, large or small...EVERYONE should do pullups. You can ask Spoons though...I might be a little bit biased.

Look at the pullup program/info on the page listed in my sig if you need some tips or whatever. Or you can PM me.

Yes, they are THE back exercise. Im glad you are working the lower back, it is often a weak point and can be injured easily if it isnt strong (I had some lower back problems a few years ago in fact).

Also, if you cant get a single one, I can offer some methods to help you work up to your first one. Let me know.
I haven't tried in a long time, but let's just assume I can't do a single one. :oldrazz:

I think an assisted machine might work for me. I usually go to the gym just once a week, I'm mostly doing it to build up some strength (so I don't fall apart in my 50s, really), but I'm not in DIRE need or anything. I figure I'm still waaay ahead of anyone else in my family, especially my dad who tells me not to lift anything at all in case I hurt myself. :o

It's true. I was intimidated by the pullup until about a year or 2 ago. I remember when I could maybe do 2 or 3. Now I can get 4 sets of 6-7 and I'm a 230lb man-bear, not really built for pullups either.
I'm a 110-lb girl-stick with 10-inch biceps. :oldrazz:

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 10:28 PM
Thank you sir. Tomorrow is back day :D

I hear ya. I am going to have to do today's workout tomorrow. I got stuck working late on a bank robbery this afternoon and it killed my workout time tonight.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 10:36 PM
^Easily the most badass "excuse" I've ever heard haha

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 10:40 PM
^Easily the most badass "excuse" I've ever heard haha

Ha. Thanks. I will post a link to the newspaper if it includes a picture. They took like 20 pics when I walked the guy out of sheriff's office in cuffs and leg irons.

Colossal Spoons
11-02-2009, 10:43 PM
Armed?

mrvlknight21
11-02-2009, 10:51 PM
Armed?

No, he wasnt, he went with the note method.
Dye pack exploded though...so he was busted easily.

mrvlknight21
11-03-2009, 10:30 AM
Secret Warriors #7

Hurm. Very unaware I am.
But I stopped reading after they killed Cap anyway. Bastards.

Gonna get my workout on when I get home and eat some steak tonight. I like the way this program is laid out and it doesn't take long to complete each workout.