Poll: THE BATMAN

[Binker]

This has something to do with the "why does everyone hate The Batman topic.

Because of the fact I always fight with people who hate the series but haven't seen the whole show or have no good reasons to hate it, I just need to know: what is your feeligns toward THE BATMAN?

Is it:

a) LOVE - You love it, the whole show even the comci and movie no matter what.
b) LIKE - You like it but still know its flaws.
c) DISLIKE - You agree on what people who like or hate it say. You dislike some/most but it still leds you to like it still.
d) HATE - No question, you hate it entirely.

Also, this isn't the only forum with this poll.

[hippie_hunter]

Hate, but it has potential which was shown in Riddled and TBvD.

[dbucket]

I voted DISLIKE(It seems that there is VERY little discrepency between LIKE or DISLIKE).:p

Honestly Binker, what are you trying to prove? A lot of threads have been made on this subject already, and it is even worse that the posts seem almost exactly alike.

Why do you need a bunch of statistics and group of people to confirm your own belief that you love this show?

Binker, your own opinion is sacred. It doesn't matter if "The Batman" is widely accepted or heavily criticized. I think it is admirable that you have been following this series through the good and the bad, but it is not going to change other people's opinions.

[Silver Sable]

Dislike

[DOG LIPS]

It's entertaining enough for me, and I do watch it when it comes on, but I like Batman to be a little more broody and edgy, this one just seems too .....normal....

[Trunks61]

I dislike it, but I haven't watched enough episodes to fully give a educated opinion.

I'll simply put which things I disliked in the episodes I watched.

-The art. I'm not a big fan on the art style. It's the same artist from Jackie Chan Adventures, right?

-How they portray certain characters. I hated how they portrayed the Joker. Stupid jokes and while the Joker IS insane, he's not stupid.

-How they tell the origins of characters.

-The personality they gave Alfred. No thanks.

If you're curious I watched the origin of the joker, the origin of clayface and the origin of poison ivy/batgirl.

[jusblaze21]

Itz Ok, I like some episodes and others are just, meh.

[SHADOWBAT69]

i like it. i watch it when i can, mostly on reruns. i take it for what it is, a saturday morning cartoon.

[Red]

I think the main reason TB gets page press is the Bat-embargo.

[Red]

Edit.

[Red]

Edit Damn it again

[hippie_hunter]

I think the main reason TB gets page press is the Bat-embargo.

Exactly, almost everyone in the JLU forum hates the Batman because of this sole reason. They're already hating Mercy Reef because of the Aqua-Embargo.

[Quentin Beck]

I liked it. But they didn't keep true to the comics :mad:

[Darthphere]

Dislike, I cant really say i "hate" a cartoon. Thats silly.

[Red]

Exactly, almost everyone in the JLU forum hates the Batman because of this sole reason. They're already hating Mercy Reef because of the Aqua-Embargo.

The Aqua-Embargo makes non sense, Superman's on JLU and smallvilles been running for 5 years.

[Binker]

The poll results so far from the three websites this was posted on.

a: LOVE) 5 5 III - 13
b: LIKE ) 5 5 - 10
c: DISLIKE) 5 - 5
d: HATE) 5 II - 7

[Darthphere]

How about you just tabulate the results from this website or at least provide links to these other sites so others can vote their, you know to be fair and all.

[Binker]

I posted the poll here and

www.legionsofgotham.org (http://www.legionsofgotham.org)

www.batmanytb.com/forum/index.php (http://www.batmanytb.com/forum/index.php)

[Darthphere]

I posted the poll here and

www.legionsofgotham.org (http://www.legionsofgotham.org)

www.batmanytb.com/forum/index.php (http://www.batmanytb.com/forum/index.php)


Wow, might as well posted this poll on batmanisroxorz.com. Seriously those site arent bias at all.:rolleyes:

[Binker]

Don't start on those sites.

[Darthphere]

C'mon, how do you think a poll about The Batman is fair on two sites exclusively for fans of Batman is goign to do? Thats like making a poll about George Bush's performance as president on a republican site.

[hunter_hippie]

C'mon, how do you think a poll about The Batman is fair on two sites exclusively for fans of Batman is goign to do? Thats like making a poll about George Bush's performance as president on a republican site.

Well, maybe he's looking for the general reaction from Batman fans - not from the casual watcher that he might find here or at IMDB as examples? It's apparent, based on the ratings the show is getting, that kids (y'know, the key demographics) are watching the show, so really, who else would you ask the question of?

As far as Bush's performance, you might be suprised by what you'd get off of a poll on a republican site...

[hunter_hippie]

Exactly, almost everyone in the JLU forum hates the Batman because of this sole reason. They're already hating Mercy Reef because of the Aqua-Embargo.

And I'd say that those members that hate The Batman for this reason are incredibly short sighted and uncreative. They'd rather have Batman after Batman story, instead of, say the Flash ep that we just saw. Oh wait! Batman was in that show! So, exactly what's their beef? That Nightwing can't be on JLU? That's a Titans issue - not The Batman. Batgirl? Ok - but really, how many GOOD stories can be told with Batgirl in the JLU that couldn't be told with Huntress or some othe r character? None.

Get over it. JLU is done. Titans is done.

[Binker]

Well, maybe he's looking for the general reaction from Batman fans - not from the casual watcher that he might find here or at IMDB as examples? It's apparent, based on the ratings the show is getting, that kids (y'know, the key demographics) are watching the show, so really, who else would you ask the question of?

That's right.

Even on those sites that discusses the episodes of TB, there are those there who don't hold back and say they have problems with an episode or the show.

[hippie_hunter]

And I'd say that those members that hate The Batman for this reason are incredibly short sighted and uncreative. They'd rather have Batman after Batman story, instead of, say the Flash ep that we just saw. Oh wait! Batman was in that show! So, exactly what's their beef? That Nightwing can't be on JLU? That's a Titans issue - not The Batman. Batgirl? Ok - but really, how many GOOD stories can be told with Batgirl in the JLU that couldn't be told with Huntress or some othe r character? None.

Get over it. JLU is done. Titans is done.

The same people also hated the Titans-Embargo and the the newly imposed Aqua-Embargo. They hate these embargos because they limit the creativitiy on saying what cannot be there. We would like to see character such as Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, (since Speedy has appeared), Aquaman, Deathstroke, the Teen Titans, etc. But cannot due to embargos on various characters, not only Batman, cannot.

PEOPLE WANT NIGHTWING

[Alpha and Omega]

I like it. Obviously it's not what 'Batman: the animated series' was, but it's still decent. Some of the one-liners are borderline intolerable, but I'm a huge Batman fan, so I tend to make excuses for that. . .

. . . . what? If Lucas fans can do it, why can't I?:o

On the other hand, instead of creating "The Batman," I wish Warner had just revived the "Beyond" series. I really liked it.

[Warhammer]

dislike, but not hate.

[hippie_hunter]

The Dislike/Hate people are beating the Love/Like people Binker. I dare you to put this poll in the JLU forum

[Binker]

No, Like/Dislike are more than Love/Hate. I won't put this at the JLU board because it doesn't belong there, does it?

[Darthphere]

If you add dislike and hate together they beat love and like. Why are you trying to warp the numbers?

[Binker]

Warp? Do you wrap the numbers? Well its because this forum isn't the only one on TB, you know. Even if dislike/hate are bigger here, somewhere else its different.

As of right now, the total from all three sites with this poll:

LOVE: 16
LIKE: 16
DISLIKE: 11
HATE: 9

[hippie_hunter]

Warp? Do you wrap the numbers? Well its because this forum isn't the only one on TB, you know. Even if dislike/hate are bigger here, somewhere else its different.

As of right now, the total from all three sites with this poll:

LOVE: 16
LIKE: 16
Let me guess Legions of Gotham right?
DISLIKE: 11
HATE: 9
I was saying to try and put this in the JLU forum because it is virtually universally hated because of the Bat-Embargo installed on it.

[droogiedroogie2]

The DISLIKES and HATES are winning, biznitches!

[Binker]

No they're not.

32 for Love/Like & 20 for Dislike/Hate.

ANd not just Legiosn of Gotham but Batman Yesterday, Today & Beyond. And don't say "you shouldn't put the poll there, they would say they love it". Not the case. Even people there have problems with the show and say that.

[Darthphere]

Frankl;y most of us dont care about the polls on the other sites (especially since their bias is without question) so the people around here will stick to the results on this site.

[hunter_hippie]

I was saying to try and put this in the JLU forum because it is virtually universally hated because of the Bat-Embargo installed on it.

I still have yet to hear how any embargo is harming JLU. Please enlighten me.

[hunter_hippie]

Frankl;y most of us dont care about the polls on the other sites (especially since their bias is without question) so the people around here will stick to the results on this site.

:confused: :confused: What? How are other sites any more or less biased than people here are? Your statement makes absolutely NO sense.

[jaydawg]

I'm not sure where exactly to vote. I dont like the show. I dont hate it. But I'm probably a bit more on the negative side than dislike. See I dont hate it for the Embargo since thats completely executive faults. I dont hate it because its not like BTAS. But I dont like because the show itself is a joke. Piss poor character designs, childish plotlines, terrible characterizations... the show is just bad.

Its like the choose the worst aspects of a character and then mold them into an entitie for the show. Penguin is a good example of this. Burton design/60's show personality and then they add kung-fu. To top it all off, he appears every other episode. Why?

Then they rely way too much on Joker. I can understand why, but at least when BTAS did it, every appearance ment something. On this show, its like he shows up just to show up. Hell, the only good villain on this show is the Riddler and he's only got what.... two, three apperances? Don't even get me started on Batgirl.

But heres what really bothers me: the show has potential. Potential only shown in a select few episodes (like Riddled) and in one really good DTV. So why, why, why is the show itself so bad? Add to the fact that many of the people making the show have had years of experience with BTAS, STAS and even JLU. And dont say its censors. TMNT, which is on the airwave on a main channel, just like TB, every saturday morning, shows things like decapitations, destroying buildings, realistic guns and all kinds of weapons. X-men and Spider-man both had to deal with insane censors and yet they both had several mature, well-written storylines.

So no, I dont hate the show. But I sure as hell dont like it. I'll only watch it if nothing else is on. If it wasnt for The Riddler and its fight scenes, this show would be completely unwatchable.

[Spider-Gamer]

Dislike
I have to agree.

[Darthphere]

:confused: :confused: What? How are other sites any more or less biased than people here are? Your statement makes absolutely NO sense.


Both of those sites are specifically devoted to Batman, while this board is for all superhero fans. This forum specifically is for The Batman, so we get an influx of users here who are fans of Batman and other superheroes, so in a sense have a broader perspective on animation and the superhero genre as in general. While the other two sites are devoted to only Batman its not surprising to see the polls are so one sided. I dont think its possible to argue that any further.

[hippie_hunter]

I still have yet to hear how any embargo is harming JLU. Please enlighten me.

Ra's al Ghul. Deathstroke. Nightwing. Aquaman. Black Manta being Devil Ray. The Teen Titans.

'Nuff said. Great stories could have been made with these characters, especially Ra's al Ghul. And extra especially Deathstroke, the coolest villain in all the DCU.

[Binker]

Look, even I have problems with the show. Again, not every show is perfect. That goes for BTAS.

I always have headaches where I would watch BTAS or any of the Timmverse shows and go "this is great, why isn't TB like that". Then start hating it. But once I see TB, either by listening to the music or watching good episodes like Riddled or the DTV, I end up liking it and going "why was I hating it?"

I love everything DC. Still, there can be things to pist me off. I'm not that kind of guy who watches shows with a huge grin, shaking my head all the time.

I love BTAS, don't get me wrong. If not this show, I would wish they would've rebroadcasted BTAS to tie in to the movie. Same would go for STAS for Superman Returns.

But I like TB and it still has ways to go before everyone can agree on it. If anything, season one represented this show as a completely negetive. And if that season's finale and more postivies started by season two come out, then what Matsuda said "as the show ages, it matures" starts to become true.

Speakign about him, he said in the LoG boards that he's a fan of Batman. Works by Lee, Miller, O'Neil are among of his likes. But in posts about darkness, he said that Batman is dark (of course) it's hard to translate it to kids television. Now, that could be BS, but its on 8:30am, and even I don't know the rules for shows on that time. If anything, if theres a reason why the show is what it is, then it ain't the crew. Its something else.

Look, for the people who hate it: I respect your opinion. But most of the people who hate it only have seen 1-3 episodes and those episodes I can agree can be "meh". But if you've only seen not the whole number of episodes, then you shouldn't say you hate it because you haven't seen the whole thing. Here's what you should do: watch ALL the episodes. That way, once you've seen it all and still feel you don't like it, you can say you hate it for good reason and I won't argue for you. At least you saw then just 1-3.

[Darthphere]

I have watched all the episodes, and I still dont like it.

[Binker]

Have you seen the DTV or the comic?

If you did and your opinion still stands on thsoe too, I won't fight you.

[deathshead2]

I have seen some episodes the show could be great but its not. The writers dont seem to care the bad guys dont really seem to have a meaning to them. I dont care for them,but in B:tas I did the clayface episode in B:tas almost makes me cry as does heart of ice.

[Darthphere]

Yes, ive seen the DTV and admit it wa better than the series, but still not what im looking for when watching a Batman cartoon. I dont bother with the Johnny DC Comics, they all suck and that has nothing to do with the show.

[hippie_hunter]

Have you seen the DTV or the comic?

If you did and your opinion still stands on thsoe too, I won't fight you.

The DTV was great and totally awesome unlike the show. And ALL Johnny DC comics suck. Horribly. Including Justice League Unlimited. It's the worst part of the DC Comics line-up

[Binker]

OK, I get it and I respect your opinion.

Look guys, if this show was shi**y. Not the way right now where you guys say its shi**y, no I mean really shi**y shi**y shi**y. If the show was that, I would say "it sucks" and I would've band together with you to get WB to air BTAS again. And if the toys or anything else from the show didn't do hot, it would've been off the air quietly and been replace by BTAS, if we demanded it of course.

Umm, did any of you guys see the original concepts of villians; Joker, Scarecrow? On Joker he looked terriflying, now he isn't. Could the sensors be the reason behind this?

[droogiedroogie2]

The DTV was great and totally awesome unlike the show. And ALL Johnny DC comics suck. Horribly. Including Justice League Unlimited. It's the worst part of the DC Comics line-upWhy does everybody say that? The JLU comic has given them a chance to showcase heroes that never got a chance to appear in any real capacity in the show.

OK, the Space Cabbie issue sucked. That was just stupid. But the Deadman issue was flippin' sweet. Most of the rest have been pretty decent. Nothing like Batman Adventures or any of the older Timmverse comic spinoffs, but decent.

For some reason, Binker, I'm seeing a totally different number than you are. I see 24-18, the negatives have it.

[hunter_hippie]

Ra's al Ghul. Deathstroke. Nightwing. Aquaman. Black Manta being Devil Ray. The Teen Titans.

'Nuff said. Great stories could have been made with these characters, especially Ra's al Ghul. And extra especially Deathstroke, the coolest villain in all the DCU.

Titans have (had) their own show. Speedy is going to show up in JLU soon, Nightwing makes an appearance as well.

Thing is, the people that are p!ssed about the embargo make it seem like those characters impacted are the ONLY ones that could be used to make a 'great' JLU episode. That's BS. Yes, Deathstroke could have been used effectively. Ras vs the league would have been cool. They can't be done, and since JLU is coming to an end, we won't get them unless there's a DTV planned. Get over it and enjoy what's out there now. Bashing The Batman or Titans because of something petty like this is just silly.

The writers on JLU had to utilize other characters because they couldn't fall back into thinking 'let's throw Batgirl in here' - instead, they had to use Huntress. Now we're getting a Huntress toy out of the deal. The more characters that we get on the show, the better potential for toys down the road. Do you really think that we'd have gotten the Flash museum, rogues gallery etc, if the writers could have just thrown together another Joker story? I doubt it. Not being able to play with certain characters, while it limits the team in some respects, it also makes them be more creative in their character selection and helps in fleshing out the entire JLU.

Again, if you (or those that are upset about the Bat embargo) want Dini versions of those characters impacted, go watch the DVD sets. They're on there.

(And I'm still waiting for a convincing argument about how the embargo hurts the JLU and makes Batman a bad show as a result.)

[Rowen]

Nightwing makes an appearance as well.

I really , really, really, really, really, really, wish i was not SPOILED !!! on that one. that would of been a great surprise for me to know that unexpecteadly.

THANKS! Thanks a whole LOT!! i still can't come to a conclusion on why people can use freaking SPOILER TAGS!! ill never find an awsner to this.

[hunter_hippie]

I really , really, really, really, really, really, wish i was not SPOILED !!! on that one. that would of been a great surprise for me to know that unexpecteadly.

THANKS! Thanks a whole LOT!! i still can't come to a conclusion on why people can use freaking SPOILER TAGS!! ill never find an awsner to this.

Spoiler: highlight to read! Maybe if there were a 'spoiler' feature on SHH, I'd have used it. Unfortunately there isn't one, so I didn't. I didn't tell you where or when he shows up and honestly, it's pretty common knowledge that he makes an appearance.

[Binker]

For some reason, Binker, I'm seeing a totally different number than you are. I see 24-18, the negatives have it.

That's because I used the results of this poll on the other sites to give a complete total.

[Darthphere]

Spoiler: highlight to read! Maybe if there were a 'spoiler' feature on SHH, I'd have used it. Unfortunately there isn't one, so I didn't. I didn't tell you where or when he shows up and honestly, it's pretty common knowledge that he makes an appearance.


There is blah blah blah of course without the x's.

[Darthphere]

I really , really, really, really, really, really, wish i was not SPOILED !!! on that one. that would of been a great surprise for me to know that unexpecteadly.

THANKS! Thanks a whole LOT!! i still can't come to a conclusion on why people can use freaking SPOILER TAGS!! ill never find an awsner to this.


His appearance was on Teen Titans like 2 seasons ago. No spoiler tags are required.

[hippie_hunter]

Titans have (had) their own show. Speedy is going to show up in JLU soon, Nightwing makes an appearance as well.
Speedy's appearance in Justice League Unlimited was awesome, but Nightwing's appearance doesn't count since you only see a brief image of him crouching in the dark barely seeing him and he doesn't say a damn thing. That's like counting that Kid Flash appeared in Justice League Unlimited because there was a Kid Flash display in the Flash Museum.

Thing is, the people that are p!ssed about the embargo make it seem like those characters impacted are the ONLY ones that could be used to make a 'great' JLU episode. That's BS. Yes, Deathstroke could have been used effectively. Ras vs the league would have been cool. They can't be done, and since JLU is coming to an end, we won't get them unless there's a DTV planned. Get over it and enjoy what's out there now. Bashing The Batman or Titans because of something petty like this is just silly.
Deathstroke and Ra's would have made extremely kick ass episodes. EXTREMELY KICK ASS. But they won't happen since the embargos affected them from appearing. I would have also liked to have seen Aquaman this season but that won't happen now because of the Aqua-Embargo imposed because of Mercy Reef.

The writers on JLU had to utilize other characters because they couldn't fall back into thinking 'let's throw Batgirl in here' - instead, they had to use Huntress. Do you really think that we'd have gotten the Flash museum, rogues gallery etc, if the writers could have just thrown together another Joker story? I doubt it. Not being able to play with certain characters, while it limits the team in some respects, it also makes them be more creative in their character selection and helps in fleshing out the entire JLU.
Even before the Bat-Embargo was put into effect the Joker was used only twice. All other episodes focused on major villains such as Gorilla Grodd, Darkseid, Doomsday, Vandal Savage, and many others. So that puts your arguement that if there was no Bat-Embargo, only Batman characters would be used. As a matter in fact most of the villains used in both Justice League and Justice League Unlimited are Superman villains (Livewire, Toyman, Lex Luthor, Silver Banshee, Bizarro, Darkseid, Kalibak, Brainiac, Volcana, Luminous, and Mongul) and the Flash villains (Weather Wizard, Captain Cold, Captain Boomerang, the Trickster, the Turtle, Gorilla Grodd, the Shade, Heat Wave, Mirror Master, the Top, Dr. Alchemy, Mr. Element, Thinker, the Fiddler, Pied-Piper, Giganta, Abra-Kadabra, and Golden Glider) compared to Batman villains (the Joker, Harley Quinn, Firefly, Blockbuster, Ventriloquist/Scarface, Two-Face, Poison Ivy, and KGBeast). That makes your arguement moot.

Now we're getting a Huntress toy out of the deal. The more characters that we get on the show, the better potential for toys down the road.
Who gives a damn about the toys? Most toys based on cartoons suck anyways. I've seen the toys to Justice League Unlimited and they look rather crappy.

Again, if you (or those that are upset about the Bat embargo) want Dini versions of those characters impacted, go watch the DVD sets. They're on there.
Will do, got all 4 volumes of BTAS and all 4 DTVs. Got both volumes of STAS and will be getting the STAS DTV along with the volumes of Batman Beyond, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited.

(And I'm still waiting for a convincing argument about how the embargo hurts the JLU and makes Batman a bad show as a result.)
Because of the Bat-Embargo almost none of Batman's villains such as the Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayface, the Scarecrow, and others are not part of the new Secret Society of Supervillains, all of whom are part of the Secret Society in the comics (except for Poison Ivy whose dead). We can't see Penguin act as an arms dealer that he is in the comics. We can't see Ra's al Ghul take down the Justice League. We can't see the Joker who is one of the coolest villains in comics and do things like he does in the comics such as torment Lex Luthor. The Bat-Embargo, the Titans-Embargo, and the Aqua-Embargo are extremely annoying.

However, the Bat-Embargo does not make the Batman a bad show. It just makes fans of Justice League Unlimited more pissed off at it. The Batman is a bad show due to $#!tty writing, poor voice acting (excluding Robert Englund for his rendition of the Riddler), poor character designs, the campiness which does not belong in Batman in todays age, the puns, the change in origins that are not superior to the origns presented in the comics or BTAS, the show is nothing more than a 30 minute toy commercial like Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were, and the fact that it will be forever compared to BTAS as an inferior show, make it a bad show.

[Rowen]

His appearance was on Teen Titans like 2 seasons ago. No spoiler tags are required.

Thats different, cause i didn't expect nightwing to appear in teen titans. his appearace was :eek: !!!!. now thanks to another poster, i got spoiled yet agian on nightwings appearnce.

now i know exactly what he's going to be doing now.

alot of posters are fogetting that some of us do not download. we wait till the episdoe airs. i just find it more enjoyable knowing that when im watching it, other people are watcing it.

but when you spoil an epsidoe or events of an epsidoe that some people haven't seen. it takes the suspense & surprise out of the epsidoe.

[Rowen]

Spoiler: highlight to read! Maybe if there were a 'spoiler' feature on SHH, I'd have used it. Unfortunately there isn't one, so I didn't. I didn't tell you where or when he shows up and honestly, it's pretty common knowledge that he makes an appearance.


How is it common knowledge about nightwing showing up in jlu, i don't get it. from all the information from various sites & what bruce timm & co saids. i really thought that he was not going to show up.

& agian it would of been a nice surprise, seeing him showing up, but in the back of mind mind not knowing that he wasn't going to show up, based on all the infomation & theroies.

the element of surprise is thrown out the window now.

[SHADOWBAT69]

um, its just a CARTOON!!

[Rowen]

you missed the entire point of my post. poople are so clueless these days

[XwolverineX]

I like it, it's fun at times.

[Binker]

People have told me that it ain't the censors. But with these old designs....

http://www.legionsofgotham.org/BATMANbtsUnUsed.html

And compare those with the ones right now, does it seem like it is sensors to a degree or more?

[Darthphere]

Meh, ive seen a lot worse than that. And why do you keep bringing up the censors. A villain doesnt have to be scary looking to be effective.

[Binker]

Ah.

Okay then.

I do hope LoG does get that another chat with Matsuda sometime in the spring or summer. I would get to ask him some things :)

On that note.....I got nothing to say.

[hippie_hunter]

Ah.

Okay then.

I do hope LoG does get that another chat with Matsuda sometime in the spring or summer. I would get to ask him some things :)

On that note.....I got nothing to say.

Ask him if he's actually going to do the new Superman cartoon

[Binker]

Once Spring/Summer comes, and we get an answer. LoG has a topic where we can ask questions to people from TB and the comics and they have one now for a crew member from the '89 film.

I posted twice on the Matsuda topic of questions and suggestions that I hope he gets there (Matt did e-mailed him to check in at LoG). I did post a good idea for an episode.

Anyway, I did ask Matt since he has talked to the crew of TB and I asked him what this topic is focused on and he answered with this:

There are different reasons for the tone in the show..firstly, you have to understand that the LAST thing anyone wanted was a BTAS re-make.....and so they strayed as far away from that tone as they could to make something different..problem is, they may have originally strayed a little TOO far.

Censors play a part in a lot of the little *****es people have about the show....network plays others. Its a different climate now than it was back on the BTAS days..hence why you don't see JLU on the networks, only on cable.

I honestly feel that people need to relax. If you enjoy it, watch it. If you don't....then abstain. Its pretty simple. I try to enjoy my hobby, not complain about it. Mind you, there are times to complain *cough*Schumacher*cough*

Hmm....

[LexCorp]

There is just nothing new in this 'The Batman' show. I like it but there are no wow factors here. Plus it lacks Kevin Conroys voice TALENTS from the older Batman series! Mark Hamal as the joker can not be beaten.

[Red]

urge to kill...rising

[droogiedroogie2]

alot of posters are fogetting that some of us do not download. we wait till the episdoe airs. i just find it more enjoyable knowing that when im watching it, other people are watcing it.So download it and watch it with a friend.

[droogiedroogie2]

Meh, ive seen a lot worse than that. And why do you keep bringing up the censors. A villain doesnt have to be scary looking to be effective.BTAS Scarecrow disproves that. He was completely ineffective because he just looked like your wierd old neighbor down the street. His redesign was the best thing about TNBA.

Ask him if he's actually going to do the new Superman cartoonAnd beg him not to.

I honestly feel that people need to relax. If you enjoy it, watch it. If you don't....then abstain. Its pretty simple. I try to enjoy my hobby, not complain about it. Mind you, there are times to complain *cough*Schumacher*cough*1. It's not that simple that we can just ignore it, because it means there's no chance for a GOOD Batman show.
2. Like he says, when something is really bad, you should complain about it. And The Batman is easily just as bad as Schumacher's movies, maybe worse because Schumacher didn't **** up other Batman media like The Batman does.

[Webhead38]

I've watched all styles of cartoons for the past 40 years and I think "The Batman" is one of the smartest, stylish, and well crafted cartoons since Batman the Animated series. There's not a cartoon out there, including the new, much over-rated, Ultimate Avengers that touches it. I love the show and I hope it continues being successful. The producers have crafted a show that is fun for kids, interesting for adults, and entertaining for artists who work in the panel graphic art form. It touches a wide and diverse cross section of the marketplace.

[Binker]

40 years? A veteran, huh? Could you explain in full detail a review from you on this show bit by bit?

[Webhead38]

Well, if I read your fragmented sentence correctly, I assume you feel there's some need to find the hidden novel in this cartoon. What "bit" would you like explained? Do you need a six page dissertation or do you understand this is a cartoon about a boy who wears tights and a cape to fight crime? I might have watched my share of animation in the past forty years but I know when to seperate my life from fantasy. Do you know the origin of Batman as it pertains to the comic? Do you know what his original villians were? Do you know who cried foul play when Robin was introduced? Do you know what most government officials thought about Batman and Robin back in the 50's? C'mon now. If you can dissect every detail of "The Batman" then this is child's play. Okay. Go out there and study up and then come back when you think you have the answers. Thanks for playing son.

[Binker]

No, I mean: I like the show too. If you read the posts here, you can see that. I'm just askign if you would like to explain why you like it for others you don't like it or can't believe people do this show.

[Darthphere]

I've watched all styles of cartoons for the past 40 years and I think "The Batman" is one of the smartest, stylish, and well crafted cartoons since Batman the Animated series. There's not a cartoon out there, including the new, much over-rated, Ultimate Avengers that touches it. I love the show and I hope it continues being successful. The producers have crafted a show that is fun for kids, interesting for adults, and entertaining for artists who work in the panel graphic art form. It touches a wide and diverse cross section of the marketplace.


Youre blind arent you.:( :down

[Darthphere]

Well, if I read your fragmented sentence correctly, I assume you feel there's some need to find the hidden novel in this cartoon. What "bit" would you like explained? Do you need a six page dissertation or do you understand this is a cartoon about a boy who wears tights and a cape to fight crime? I might have watched my share of animation in the past forty years but I know when to seperate my life from fantasy. Do you know the origin of Batman as it pertains to the comic? Do you know what his original villians were? Do you know who cried foul play when Robin was introduced? Do you know what most government officials thought about Batman and Robin back in the 50's? C'mon now. If you can dissect every detail of "The Batman" then this is child's play. Okay. Go out there and study up and then come back when you think you have the answers. Thanks for playing son.


Wow. Thats all I got to say, wow.:eek:

[Darthphere]

Well, if I read your fragmented sentence correctly, I assume you feel there's some need to find the hidden novel in this cartoon. What "bit" would you like explained? Do you need a six page dissertation or do you understand this is a cartoon about a boy who wears tights and a cape to fight crime? I might have watched my share of animation in the past forty years but I know when to seperate my life from fantasy. Do you know the origin of Batman as it pertains to the comic? Do you know what his original villians were? Do you know who cried foul play when Robin was introduced? Do you know what most government officials thought about Batman and Robin back in the 50's? C'mon now. If you can dissect every detail of "The Batman" then this is child's play. Okay. Go out there and study up and then come back when you think you have the answers. Thanks for playing son.


A couple of things I need to get off about this pretentious post. Batman is about a "man" who wears tights and fights crime. Not a boy. And even then, its a lot more than that. I dont know why youre bringing up all this 50's comics crap since there was a little thing called Crisis on Infinite Earths that pretty much wiped all that history out in the 80's. Today;s Batman is a lot different from the 50's one. The Batman is not a great representation of what Batman is in the comics world, today but its close enough for me. You think by throwing a couple of Batman factoids out there that makes you look smarter? You may have been watching cartoons for 40 years but its apparent you dont know **** about Batman. Even Binker and the others know the differences between both mediums. And you know, I butthead with Binker a lot but hes a pretty cool guy and I dont appreciate you trying to make him look dumb when apparently if you had any reading comprehension skills would know hes on your side of the argument. But of course who has time to read with 40 years of cartoons to watch. Binker understands Batman, I understand Batman, Hunter Hippie and Hippie Hunter understand what Batman is today, you sir dont. I think you need to study up on the modern Batman and come up with your own answers.

[captain_jimbo]

Love it.

[MLX]

I like it, but season three is a bit weak IMO.

[Webhead38]

A couple of things I need to get off about this pretentious post. Batman is about a "man" who wears tights and fights crime. Not a boy. And even then, its a lot more than that. I dont know why youre bringing up all this 50's comics crap since there was a little thing called Crisis on Infinite Earths that pretty much wiped all that history out in the 80's. Today;s Batman is a lot different from the 50's one. The Batman is not a great representation of what Batman is in the comics world, today but its close enough for me. You think by throwing a couple of Batman factoids out there that makes you look smarter? You may have been watching cartoons for 40 years but its apparent you dont know **** about Batman. Even Binker and the others know the differences between both mediums. And you know, I butthead with Binker a lot but hes a pretty cool guy and I dont appreciate you trying to make him look dumb when apparently if you had any reading comprehension skills would know hes on your side of the argument. But of course who has time to read with 40 years of cartoons to watch. Binker understands Batman, I understand Batman, Hunter Hippie and Hippie Hunter understand what Batman is today, you sir dont. I think you need to study up on the modern Batman and come up with your own answers.

My goodness Darth! May I call you Darth? The dark side is on the loose tonight isn't it?! Briefly, I don't find it necessary to read the entire thread when I'm being responded to on a singular item by Mr."Binker". In case your not familiar with the use of the english language he responded to my entry with very sarcastic dialog, suggesting that I had come here to somehow falsely pump myself up over a simple opinion of a cartoon (which I didn't). If I took his comments incorrectly it's because he didn't state them in the manner he intended. His comments suggested I knew nothing about the history of Batman, hence the reply which covered some of the early years of the caped crusader. The overall affect was intended to volley back the same sarcasm handed to me. It was not intended to somehow tie together current events or story lines concerning the character, as you seem so desperate to prove. So you might want to take your own advice and read over our original exchange because I still have my answers and your still in the dark. My apologies Mr. Binker if you were supporting my views. As for your fair weather "friend" he has much to learn... kind of like his favorite movie villian!
Oh well, youth has it's many stages of learning. I'm sure he'll grow into a fine young man. If he likes Batman he's doing pretty good.

[Binker]

Well, Batman isn't the only hero I like.

But I like the show. And I wish my ideas will be seen by that crew and come into reality.

[deathshead2]

What are your ideas maybe it would let me be able to somehow watch it.

[Binker]

My ideas?

Well for one: I want a Gordon episode because like in the Thunder episode, he seems too dependant on Batman. So in that episode, I want the board of directors on Gordon on his motives, calls on emergencies and on Batman doing a cop's job. And why he hasn't been caught since he's much of a criminal like the villians he fights. And Gordon must defend himself, as well as Batman.

The second idea is a follow up to TB not being a Superman show but a Superman/Batman series. I want it to be like the series Loeb created and instead of having just those two, WW, Outsiders, Teen Titans, JLA, JSA, etc appear as well so it ain't just about Superman and Batman. Including different Worlds Finestes.

Both of these ideas were e-mailed by me to Matsuda so I hope it happens. Since he reads reviews and comments by fans, I have my hope.

[deathshead2]

1 sounds neat 2 uhhh just no.

[hippie_hunter]

If there is going to be a new show, at least let it be on a completely new character that hasn't been done before. How about he gets a character such as Guy Gardner, Bushido, Risk, Grace Choi, or some hero that no one absolutely cares about. That way if it's bad no one will care because no one cares about those characters, if it's good, Matsuda will forever be praised for making a character that no one cares about into a kick ass character.

[deathshead2]

If there is going to be a new show, at least let it be on a completely new character that hasn't been done before. How about he gets a character such as Guy Gardner, Bushido, Risk, Grace Choi, or some hero that no one absolutely cares about. That way if it's bad no one will care because no one cares about those characters, if it's good, Matsuda will forever be praised for making a character that no one cares about into a kick ass character.Yes thats an idea give that Matsuda guy someone no one cares about that Timm/DINI never used. Um like rocket red no one likes him.

[hippie_hunter]

There's got to be someone that likes Rocket Red. I say Guy Gardner, no one likes him or his hairy ass and the fact that he was in that horrible JLA pilot doesn't help either.

[XwolverineX]

If there is going to be a new show, at least let it be on a completely new character that hasn't been done before. How about he gets a character such as Guy Gardner, Bushido, Risk, Grace Choi, or some hero that no one absolutely cares about. That way if it's bad no one will care because no one cares about those characters, if it's good, Matsuda will forever be praised for making a character that no one cares about into a kick ass character.


How 'bout KYLE!!

[hippie_hunter]

How 'bout KYLE!!

People like Kyle, I like Kyle.

If anyone says Aquaman, I personally see to it that they will suffer for it :mad:

[hunter_hippie]

There's got to be someone that likes Rocket Red. I say Guy Gardner, no one likes him or his hairy ass and the fact that he was in that horrible JLA pilot doesn't help either.

Sorry - I absolutely LOVE Guy Gardner. In the right writer's hands, he's awesome! I have every issue of Warrior. "Formerly Known As" wouldn't be the same book without Guy.


Aquaman on the other hand....talks to fish. :down He can't even talk to them well enough to keep them from eating his hand. How lame. :eek:

[XwolverineX]

People like Kyle, I like Kyle.

If anyone says Aquaman, I personally see to it that they will suffer for it :mad:



Well why not do it on Kyle? So what if he's liked, no one outside of comics fans know of him. Th' general public only knows HJ.

[hunter_hippie]

Well why not do it on Kyle? So what if he's liked, no one outside of comics fans know of him. Th' general public only knows HJ.

Wrong. The 'general public' doesn't know Jordan. They MIGHT know Green Lantern, but they certainly don't know who's in the suit. Same with Robin. Robin is the character - not Tim, not Dick, not Jason - its Robin.

Shows like these are playing to the fanboy legion - not the 'general public. The 'general public' doesn't know (or care) who's under the mask or in the suit. The character is what matters.

[XwolverineX]

Wrong. The 'general public' doesn't know Jordan. They MIGHT know Green Lantern, but they certainly don't know who's in the suit. Same with Robin. Robin is the character - not Tim, not Dick, not Jason - its Robin.

Shows like these are playing to the fanboy legion - not the 'general public. The 'general public' doesn't know (or care) who's under the mask or in the suit. The character is what matters.


They know Green Lantern, but they also know him as a white brown haired man. No black haired, that's all I meant, his appearence is more commenly known.

[Darthphere]

Actually most people think GL is a black man.

[deathshead2]

Actually most people think GL is a black man.Thats true ask young kids and they will say GL is black thanks to JL and JLU.

[Binker]

I want Superman/Batman.

[deathshead2]

I want Superman/Batman.:down :mad: No no no

[Guardian Enzo]

I like it, it's ok.

[droogiedroogie2]

Yes thats an idea give that Matsuda guy someone no one cares about that Timm/DINI never used. Um like rocket red no one likes him.This is going to seem like I'm just being contentious and cutesy, but I always have liked the Rocket Red Brigade. I thought Josef was a tragic character.

[deathshead2]

I just said RR cus I didn't know who he was until he blew up.

[hippie_hunter]

Sorry - I absolutely LOVE Guy Gardner. In the right writer's hands, he's awesome! I have every issue of Warrior. "Formerly Known As" wouldn't be the same book without Guy.
Guy Gardner is not cool. I guess you just like guys with hairy asses :o

Actually I'm just joking. I like Guy he's just not my favorite. Guy is the Green Lantern thats fun to bash. You ever read the scene in Green Lantern Corps Recharged where Guy moons Batman and Batman tells Kyle that he needs to tell Guy that he needs to shave.


Aquaman on the other hand....talks to fish. :down He can't even talk to them well enough to keep them from eating his hand. How lame. :eek:
You better be joking. Aquaman can do a hell of a lot more than that.

[XwolverineX]

Guy Gardner is not cool. I guess you just like guys with hairy asses :o

Actually I'm just joking. I like Guy he's just not my favorite. Guy is the Green Lantern thats fun to bash. You ever read the scene in Green Lantern Corps Recharged where Guy moons Batman and Batman tells Kyle that he needs to tell Guy that he needs to shave.



You better be joking. Aquaman can do a hell of a lot more than that.



Aquaman n00bs, what do they know? :rolleyes:

[hunter_hippie]

Guy Gardner is not cool. I guess you just like guys with hairy asses :o

Actually I'm just joking. I like Guy he's just not my favorite. Guy is the Green Lantern thats fun to bash. You ever read the scene in Green Lantern Corps Recharged where Guy moons Batman and Batman tells Kyle that he needs to tell Guy that he needs to shave.

Yep. LOVED it!



You better be joking. Aquaman can do a hell of a lot more than that.

Yeah, you're right. He can ride on a giant seahorse also. :down Still lame. :)

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, you're right. He can ride on a giant seahorse also. :down Still lame. :)

You my friend need to read more Aquaman, one of DC's best books yet doesn't sell well because of the lame image Superfriends gave him

Here's a thread goes into full detail on Aquaman's abilities:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220441

[hunter_hippie]

You my friend need to read more Aquaman, one of DC's best books yet doesn't sell well because of the lame image Superfriends gave him

Here's a thread goes into full detail on Aquaman's abilities:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220441

Thank you. Actually, I already knew about his abilities (mostly I'm just giving you shtuf).

That's my point though. For someone to say 'X' hero sux or 'Y' hero roxxors is crap because somebody else probably thinks that hero is the greatest thing since white bread. Y'know, in my comic shop, I've actually had people try to convince me that Matter Eater Lad is a great hero? C'mon - he eats stuff. :confused: But somebody out there thinks he's a good character and now he's going to be on the next DCAU cartoon.

[droogiedroogie2]

See, this is why I say names are important! Everybody pisses on me because I say a lame name makes a lame hero. And nowhere is it more obvious than with Matter-Eater Lad. Everything about his name is dumb.

Lad. Yeah, a lad is real scary to a supervillain. That's why Aqualad was a retarded name.

[Binker]

Love: 25
Like: 33
Dislike: 26
Hate: 21

[NateGray]

Love: 25
Like: 33
Dislike: 26
Hate: 21


Ummm it has been mentioned before that pulling numbers from polls outside of this site to boster your numbers on this site is dishonest and does not portray the poll from this site.
Especially since you seem to ignore the dislike and hates from those other sites that makes what you are doing even more dishonest.


The REAL numbers for the poll are
Love 10
Like 25
Dislike 26
Hate 21

[hunter_hippie]

Ummm it has been mentioned before that pulling numbers from polls outside of this site to boster your numbers on this site is dishonest and does not portray the poll from this site.
Especially since you seem to ignore the dislike and hates from those other sites that makes what you are doing even more dishonest.


The REAL numbers for the poll are
Love 10
Like 25
Dislike 26
Hate 21

There's a poll in this thread? I thought it was about Aquaman's abilities and Guy Gardner's hairy @ss....:o

[Spoarz™]

I like it, not as good as the 90s animated series that I grew up with, but still pretty damn good.

[tzarinna]

Like

[hulkamania85]

Like it. Doesn't hold a candle to the animated series of the 90's but still entertaining in its own right. I kind of want to track down Batman v. Dracula, because I'm a fan of vs. movies and am interested in seeing Batman take on Dracula.

[trustyside-kick]

I had trouble answering this poll because it did not have my answer "Loathe with a passion"...so I had to stick with HATE.

[Mr. Socko]

Hate it. It's horrible, everything about it. But nothing is worse then the stupid Joker.

Where is Luke Skywalker when you need him? :(

[trustyside-kick]

Hate it. It's horrible, everything about it. But nothing is worse then the stupid Joker.

Where is Luke Skywalker when you need him? :(

Oh man I loved him as the Joker in TAS.

[Mr. Socko]

Mark Hammil's vocal cords are the greatest :o

[hippie_hunter]

Where's my bizarro counterpart, I'm starting to miss him :(

[trustyside-kick]

What?

[Binker]

He's referring to hunter_hippie

[trustyside-kick]

He is referring to himself? Whatever...lol.

[Soundwave88]

it isnt that bad but I had how they bad guys have different background storys and i mean Mr.Freeze a bank robber?? that is messed up!

[lateforwork]

I like it.... it is inaccurate entertainment...

[Binker]

In case any of you are interested, this is what Paul Dini said about how he feels about The Batman:

I think it's a cool show. I haven't seen every episode, but I liked some, didn't like others. Same with Justice League and Titans. Same with Batman Beyond in fact, and I co-created and produced that series. One thing I always knew when I started working on the original animated series fifteen years ago was that it wasn't the first Batman cartoon series, and wouldn't be the last. Therefore it does me no good to get possessive about a character I have fun writing but don't own.

As for me storming into Warners and arguing for them not to make a new Batman series -- come on. That never happened. For one thing the show's inception came from VP of Development Sam Register at Cartoon Network, not from Warners. Also, by the time they announced The Batman I was pretty sick of men in tights. I turned down opportunities to write on both The Batman and Teen Titans so I could concentrate on Duck Dodgers, the show I had pitched and sold to CN with a couple of the then current Looney Tunes directors. I didn't like every episode of that series either, but that's the realities of production for you.

[Darthphere]

Congrats on the two Emmy's.:up:

[hunter_hippie]

it isnt that bad but I had how they bad guys have different background storys and i mean Mr.Freeze a bank robber?? that is messed up!

I WISH people would read previous threads before coming in an posting. It should be part of a Proper Internet Forum Behavior 101 course at the local community college for some of these posters.

The characters in the show have, for the most part, taken back much of their origins from the comics. Y'know, the medium that created the characters that you claim to love?? Yeah - that's the one. Their true origins - not the ones that BTAS made up when they bastardized the franchise. (Oops! Did I say that out loud?) BTAS sucked when it came to being true to the characters.

[hunter_hippie]

In case any of you are interested, this is what Paul Dini said about how he feels about The Batman:

I would have been interested, if you hadn't posted this SAME information in like, 3 threads here, on LOG, on BYTB, on, well, every forum that you visit. :eek:

You seem to want the crew of BTAS to like The Batman so much that you'll do anything to prove your point that it's an ok show. Why?

[hunter_hippie]

Where's my bizarro counterpart, I'm starting to miss him :(

I'm back. I'm not sure if some of the posters on this forum will be happy about that though...:unishr:

[Darthphere]

I WISH people would read previous threads before coming in an posting. It should be part of a Proper Internet Forum Behavior 101 course at the local community college for some of these posters.

The characters in the show have, for the most part, taken back much of their origins from the comics. Y'know, the medium that created the characters that you claim to love?? Yeah - that's the one. Their true origins - not the ones that BTAS made up when they bastardized the franchise. (Oops! Did I say that out loud?) BTAS sucked when it came to being true to the characters.


Unbelievable.

[hunter_hippie]

Unbelievable.

See how ridiculous it sounds? Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Just because it doesn't match up to the version you grew up with does not make the show suck. Maybe all you kids that grew up with BTAS (and unfortunately, it's all you know) should go to a comic store and buy some old back issues. Learn your history. It'll only help you in the long run.

[Darthphere]

See how ridiculous it sounds? Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Just because it doesn't match up to the version you grew up with does not make the show suck. Maybe all you kids that grew up with BTAS (and unfortunately, it's all you know) should go to a comic store and buy some old back issues. Learn your history. It'll only help you in the long run.


Kids, lol. Either way ill take Mr Freezes BTAS origin over the genric robber origin from the comics anyday. I would like you to explain how Joker, Poison Ivy, Bane, Scarecrow in BTAS are so different from their comic counterparts and TB gets them right. *cough*

[hunter_hippie]

Kids, lol. Either way ill take Mr Freezes BTAS origin over the genric robber origin from the comics anyday. I would like you to explain how Joker, Poison Ivy, Bane, Scarecrow in BTAS are so different from their comic counterparts and TB gets them right. *cough*

I'd like you to tell me what the Joker's origin is.

As far as Ivy, Bane and Scarecrow, I don't recall them ever being shown on TAS.

Ivy: Ivy's origin was shown on TB (but not in BTAS). In that ep, while attacking a corporation guilty of polluting Gotham(?) a plant mutagen was dropped on her. Instead of dying from the mutagen, she gained her powers. (Short and sweet version)

In the comics, her original origin, she was poisoned while participating in a theft. Instead of dying from the herbal poison, she gained her powers.

Bane: In BTAS, Bane was hired by Thorne to eliminate Batman.

In TB, Bane was a hired thug as well. No origin was shown.

Scarecrow - hasn't appeared on TB, so can't compare.

Manbat - more closely resembles the comic origin.
Freeze - more closely resembles the comic origin.
Penguin - BTAS and TB both are true to this character's comic origins.
Clayface - BTAS combined many origins into one. TB - made up a new Clayface, similar to Two Face.
Firefly - BTAS - pyrotechnic expert (similar to comic origin) TB - arsonist (similar to comic origin)
Croc - this character's origin is a cluster. It's constantly been evolving (much like the character) ever since it's beginning. I don't think anyone has gotten him 'right' yet. Neither version - BTAS or TB - is bad imo.
Scarface/Ventriloquist - Both BTAS and TB are similar to the comic. Close enough for me as this really isn't a character I care too much about.
Hugo Strange - no 'origin' shown on TB, but the character is right, as it was on BTAS.
Cluemaster - who really cares about his origin?

[trustyside-kick]

Kids, lol. Either way ill take Mr Freezes BTAS origin over the genric robber origin from the comics anyday. I would like you to explain how Joker, Poison Ivy, Bane, Scarecrow in BTAS are so different from their comic counterparts and TB gets them right. *cough*

Poison Ivy like Harley Quinn was first created in BTAS though.


Clayface - BTAS combined many origins into one. TB - made up a new Clayface, similar to Two Face.


That is one of the few "villain origins" I guess you could say is ok. Only because there are so many Clayfaces out there.

[Darthphere]

I'd like you to tell me what the Joker's origin is.

As far as Ivy, Bane and Scarecrow, I don't recall them ever being shown on TAS.

Ivy: Ivy's origin was shown on TB (but not in BTAS). In that ep, while attacking a corporation guilty of polluting Gotham(?) a plant mutagen was dropped on her. Instead of dying from the mutagen, she gained her powers. (Short and sweet version)

In the comics, her original origin, she was poisoned while participating in a theft. Instead of dying from the herbal poison, she gained her powers.

Bane: In BTAS, Bane was hired by Thorne to eliminate Batman.

In TB, Bane was a hired thug as well. No origin was shown.

Scarecrow - hasn't appeared on TB, so can't compare.

Manbat - more closely resembles the comic origin.
Freeze - more closely resembles the comic origin.
Penguin - BTAS and TB both are true to this character's comic origins.
Clayface - BTAS combined many origins into one. TB - made up a new Clayface, similar to Two Face.
Firefly - BTAS - pyrotechnic expert (similar to comic origin) TB - arsonist (similar to comic origin)
Croc - this character's origin is a cluster. It's constantly been evolving (much like the character) ever since it's beginning. I don't think anyone has gotten him 'right' yet. Neither version - BTAS or TB - is bad imo.
Scarface/Ventriloquist - Both BTAS and TB are similar to the comic. Close enough for me as this really isn't a character I care too much about.
Hugo Strange - no 'origin' shown on TB, but the character is right, as it was on BTAS.
Cluemaster - who really cares about his origin?

So how exactly does TB get all these villains right again? It seems pretty even to me. And which Joker origin do you want?

[hunter_hippie]

Poison Ivy like Harley Quinn was first created in BTAS though.

WHAT??? :confused:

Ok. Thanks for playing. We're done here.

Poison Ivy first appeared in Batman #181. That was published in 1966. (A few years prior to BTAS being on the air. :D )

[trustyside-kick]

So how exactly does TB get all these villains right again? It seems pretty even to me. And which Joker origin do you want?

In some thread that has to do with The Batman there was someone that kept comparing it to how Marvel has like Ultimate Spider-Man. I guess in a sense this show is like that in which so much is different and changed about characters and their origins. Only reasons why I have had a problem with it is cause not like there is an "Ultimate Batman" or whatever you or DC would like to call it in the comics for all of these character changes to occur.

But ya...I do not like TB's Joker at all.

[trustyside-kick]

WHAT??? :confused:

Ok. Thanks for playing. We're done here.

Poison Ivy first appeared in Batman #181. That was published in 1966. (A few years prior to BTAS being on the air. :D )

Whoops. Another one of those things I asked the older brother about without checking myself. My mistake there.

[hunter_hippie]

So how exactly does TB get all these villains right again? It seems pretty even to me. And which Joker origin do you want?

In the case of Manbat and Freeze (the two most cited examples of how The Batman is a horrible show) it has gotten the characters right. The others are a wash, since they're very similar.

As far as a Joker origin, that, again, was my point. There really isn't ONE origin. There are many origins - some similar - but, no one knows for sure which one is correct, as the Joker himself said in The Killing Joke.

[Darthphere]

In the case of Manbat and Freeze (the two most cited examples of how The Batman is a horrible show) it has gotten the characters right. The others are a wash, since they're very similar.

As far as a Joker origin, that, again, was my point. There really isn't ONE origin. There are many origins - some similar - but, no one knows for sure which one is correct, as the Joker himself said in The Killing Joke.


Most recently though it seems like theyre leaning with the red Hood origin.

[hunter_hippie]

In some thread that has to do with The Batman there was someone that kept comparing it to how Marvel has like Ultimate Spider-Man. I guess in a sense this show is like that in which so much is different and changed about characters and their origins. Only reasons why I have had a problem with it is cause not like there is an "Ultimate Batman" or whatever you or DC would like to call it in the comics for all of these character changes to occur.

But ya...I do not like TB's Joker at all.

Based on your statement about Ivy, you no longer get to participate in this discussion. Sorry.

[trustyside-kick]

And in Hush Returns the Joker sort of tells his origin again sort of.

[trustyside-kick]

Based on your statement about Ivy, you no longer get to participate in this discussion. Sorry.

Stfu! My god what is your problem! One mistake and all this disrespect and negative feedback. I remember reading in some thread about hippie_hunter asking where you were and you replying "I'm back for now blah blah blah"...No wonder you mentioned how some people might not be happy..you are almost as bad as the damn Spiderfreddie guy. If you just got back from being banned you were not banned long enough.

I would not even be surprised if you were the same damn person as him you jerk. You seem to talk like him only you have good grammar when typing your replies.

[hunter_hippie]

Stfu! My god what is your problem! One mistake and all this disrespect and negative feedback.

I just don't tolerate people that talk and talk and talk and don't have fact to back up their opinion.

Good thing Ivy was created by the BTAS team though. I might just add that to my sig....

I remember reading in some thread about hippie_hunter asking where you were and you replying "I'm back for now blah blah blah"...No wonder you mentioned how some people might not be happy..

That's some memory you've got there, considering I just posted that today.

you are almost as bad as the damn Spiderfreddie guy. If you just got back from being banned you were not banned long enough.

I would not even be surprised if you were the same damn person as him you jerk. You seem to talk like him only you have good grammar when typing your replies.

Nope. Not Spiderfreddie. Oh, and I wasn't banned - just didn't have time to come engage in these types of highly intellectual debates with you and Socko. :rolleyes:

[trustyside-kick]

That's some memory you've got there, considering I just posted that today.

I did not put word for word because I did not want to actually go back and find the post and quote what you said exactly. I did not care for doing so, I just figured if I put the beginning of it you would know what post of yours I was talking about.

[hunter_hippie]

Most recently though it seems like theyre leaning with the red Hood origin.

Anyway, yes, they have been playing with that origin recently. A minor tweak here, a tweak there, and they just might have something - especially now that they're doing OYL storylines.

[trustyside-kick]

O gosh you did put that as your signature...that was one small mistake...not like people do not make mistakes and I even said I was wrong about that. Please remove that.

[droogiedroogie2]

I WISH people would read previous threads before coming in an posting. It should be part of a Proper Internet Forum Behavior 101 course at the local community college for some of these posters.

The characters in the show have, for the most part, taken back much of their origins from the comics. Y'know, the medium that created the characters that you claim to love?? Yeah - that's the one. Their true origins - not the ones that BTAS made up when they bastardized the franchise. (Oops! Did I say that out loud?) BTAS sucked when it came to being true to the characters.
Yeah, but when they changed stuff it was better. That's why the comics adopted so many of the changes. What The Batman has done, is gone back to ridiculous, retarded Silver Age origins that made about as much sense as the 1985 World Series.

In the case of Manbat and Freeze (the two most cited examples of how The Batman is a horrible show) it has gotten the characters right. The others are a wash, since they're very similar.

As far as a Joker origin, that, again, was my point. There really isn't ONE origin. There are many origins - some similar - but, no one knows for sure which one is correct, as the Joker himself said in The Killing Joke.Manbat and Freeze suck, sure, but MY biggest problem with the show is Batman himself, and the Joker. Sorry, but the Joker is not a ****ing skate punk. The Joker has some style and panache to him, and he always has. Origins aside, the first Joker stories showed that guy as a maniac, sure, but he had class to him. He dressed sharp. Where's that Joker now in The Batman?

There is a canonical origin for the Joker now, at least I feel that there is. A recent Gotham Knights arc pretty well canonized a slightly modified Killing Joke story as his origin.

Stfu! My god what is your problem! One mistake and all this disrespect and negative feedback.He's right, man. In a discussion as historically oriented as this, you shouldn't participate unless you know your history. While he said it in harsher words, the thrust of his gist is that you have displayed a shallow understanding of the character's history, as well as a tendency to lean on secondhand information instead of having read the comics or watched the episodes yourself. Many of us have the primary sources right in front of us, while you have, at best, a secondary source, and most likely a tertiary or quaternary source. For this reason, it would be best for you not to participate in a discussion that relies on historical documentation.

[trustyside-kick]

Ya I know I should have known her origin for that part of the conversation but big whoop one mistake. Not like I was getting everyone's origin off.

[hunter_hippie]

Ya I know I should have known her origin for that part of the conversation but big whoop one mistake. Not like I was getting everyone's origin off.

True - the only two you said anything about were Harley and Ivy. 50% correct is still 50% wrong...

.500 would be good if you were a baseball player. Bad if you're trying to convince us that you know what you're talking about.

[hunter_hippie]

The Joker has some style and panache to him, and he always has. Origins aside, the first Joker stories showed that guy as a maniac, sure, but he had class to him. He dressed sharp. Where's that Joker now in The Batman?

He's there. He's wearing the purple suit now and his hair is slicked back. He's a homocidal maniac - just like Joker should be. I think they've nailed the essence of the character, if not the look.

There is a canonical origin for the Joker now, at least I feel that there is. A recent Gotham Knights arc pretty well canonized a slightly modified Killing Joke story as his origin.

Well....sort of. After the original Red Hood story, it started with Killing Joke. LODK took it a step further and really fleshed out his origin. Recently Gotham Knights and The Man Who Laughs one shot fleshed it out a bit more. However, like the Joker said in Killing Joke, "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice." Nothing about Joker's origin is absolute. Heck, we don't really know if anything is correct. (He's almost as bad as Wolverine - not quite, but almost.)

[The Caped Knight]

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1224355DCRZeSZm

[Prison Mike]

wow, this thread is almost 2 years old. never knew it existed.

[Orin]

I really didn't like the first two seasons of the show, especially after the huge standards that Batman TAS set. But i think with the later seasons it really did get a lot better. So i'd say, i not exactly love it, but it's by all means likeable.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Hate. When will this be cancelled?

[deathshead2]

Hate. When will this be cancelled?When it stops making the WB money. Which doesn't look like anytime soon. There is a chance that 4kids when it takes over the wb will get rid of it. But I'd rather have an ok show like the batman rather than horrible shows that 4kids puts out.

[Chaos Bringer]

i cannot get into this show no matter how hard i try

[The Joker_1000]

I wouldn't say I love the show, I do like it though, to an extent.

[ray243]

Sigh, if they want to do a anime batman, they should have used the same animation style we see in the Batman anime tie-in.

[Darknightnomis]

It's garbage! Pure and simple rubbish!

Such a black eye on Batman's legacy.

[The Joker_1000]

I don't believe that's true. It's not as good as some other incarnations of Batman but it's something new & interesting.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

It's garbage! Pure and simple rubbish!

Such a black eye on Batman's legacy.

Why are you trying to take away "Batman and Robin"s credit?

[SkyMaster]

I was spoiled on TAS and all the continuities (Beyond, etc.)

For that reason alone, dislike.

It's the same today as Spiderman the 90s series was when I was a kid. Looking back on Spidey, I couldn't beleive how simplified it all was, but it introduced me to pretty much most of Spidey's backstory. Same(to a lesser extent) with the New Adventures of Superman.

Batman TAS came at a time in my life when I needed to learn not all stories have happy endings.

[Yurka]

I really cant stand this show. Such a disappointment :down

[The Joker_1000]

It's okay because it's a new look on the character of Batman but compared to TAS it's garbage.

[Warhammer]

Overall, the show was bad. Then when season 4 came out, it was good. After season 4, it went to pot again. Not even the Justice League could save the writing. I'm not sad that the series finale is this Saturday.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Overall, the show was bad. Then when season 4 came out, it was good. After season 4, it went to pot again. Not even the Justice League could save the writing. I'm not sad that the series finale is this Saturday.

Blame the damn network for wanting to kiddy-up things after the fourth season.