What kind of things do you think/would you like to see Joker do?

[Comicfilmer]

Joker has committed with some pretty crazy crimes and carried out some off-the-wall murders in his 60-some years in the comics. What kind of things do you think he will do or what would you like him to do in the sequel? :joker: I'd offer my own thoughts, but I'm not very imaginative right now.

[MaskedManJRK]

He should be near a theater, and slaughter a whole group of people while singing "Smile, Darn Ya, Smile." :joker::up:

[GoldGoblin]

People should be scared when he is in the room with them.Not be entertained by his comedy.We need to see him commit some gruesome crimes,show how psychotic,dangerous,he really is.

[Comicfilmer]

What kind of crimes/plots would a psychoticly gruesome carry out exactly?

[ToddIsDead]

I want to see him murder people, and then just laugh about it. Just shoot someone in the face and laugh. And I don't want him to act like an ass clown like last time. Not a fan of the Nicholson portrale.

[warren_sparta27]

if he has a 'gang' or whatever you want to call it, they should be scared of him, terrified, he should have no real motives for his crimes, just he is completely psychotic. A possible team up with The Scarecrow wouldn't be too bad.

[warren_sparta27]

I want to see him murder people, and then just laugh about it. Just shoot someone in the face and laugh. And I don't want him to act like an ass clown like last time. Not a fan of the Nicholson portrale.

yeah, he should only be funny to himself, make the audience really hate him, no prancing around like Nicholson at all, that would be terrible :(

[Comicfilmer]

I like the idea of Joker being a serial killer type of character but I just don't see how it would be worked into a plot. I mean, it'd be a little hard just to have him go around and kill random people every other scene. Shouldn't there be more to it?

[MaskedManJRK]

I think audience can laugh at him, Joker's humor should be VERY sick and make you wonder if you need psychatric help because you're giggling at it.

[GoldGoblin]

I want to see him murder people, and then just laugh about it. Just shoot someone in the face and laugh. And I don't want him to act like an ass clown like last time. Not a fan of the Nicholson portrale.

^Yes and if he does have his own men of thugs with him,they should be scared too,because he could even kill them sometimes without even a warning.Have him laugh when he commits a crime would be cool.

Show his own men urinate in their pants when they are in his presense.:)

[chintai80]

announcing who's he gonna kill first over hijacked radio signals. then doing it by poisoning or shooting them and stealing their ****.

"...armed robbery, double homicide. Got a taste for theatrics..."

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Joker should haunt Batman day and night, Batman would get crazy and tired of him like really mad and frustrated at him, and Joker's comes back with a simple laugh at Bats that just kill him morally

[Bat-God]

Kill Rachel.

[Two-Face]

Wow nothing knew.

[Silver Souper]

I like the idea of Joker being a serial killer type of character but I just don't see how it would be worked into a plot. I mean, it'd be a little hard just to have him go around and kill random people every other scene. Shouldn't there be more to it?

well, he could kill rachel dawes, and whatever female character is linked to gordon- or gordon's wife, it could basically be cleverly and brutally killing people close to batman and gordon- to wound them personally. nothing random about that. endless possibilities- capture morgan freeman's character (sorry end of a long work day), capture and injure alfred, you name it. i say substitute alfred for gordon's daughter like in killing joke and have joker shoot alfred in the spine.

[Sandman*]

Some of you YET again are getting carried away with Joker

Have some of you read a comic book charcter with the joker in it??

homicidal Maniac?Yes Serial killer ?NO

Hes goal is not to kill every single person in gotham, he has a grander scheme most the time

[Mr. Socko]

The Joker kills out of enjoyment and usually has a reason unless he's just having an off day. The Joker should be dark and evil. A crazy Homicidal maniac, lets have him kill off a cue character to drive him further. If he doesn't kill Rachel then atleast go straight to him shooting Barbera Gordon, hey, we don't need to see her as Batgirl so we can skip that part. I just saw the fan film Patient J a few minutes ago and I'm absolutely hooked on it right now. Watching it was like chugging down a cup of coffee on a very tiring morning, it brightens you up. The Joker is sadistic and evil, but like most villians he thinks he is doing the right thing. He believes he kills others for the best, he think they're lives are useless and don't matter much anyway. The Batman is the reason he goes on and truely vise versa. It's criminal scum like the Joker that made Batman(one of my favorite lines). IMO, we can't take the Joker over the edge as much as many are saying. He shouldn't just go on a crazy killing spree for absolutely no reason at all, it'll seem like Nolan and Goyer can't think of anything so the plot is The Joker killings everyone in sight. The Joker's jokes are only funny to him; very crude, sick, and evil humor that he loves. I think it would help alot if they give him a back story with him being a normal man who's pregnant wife is killed and that drives him halfway insane. He becomes a hitman and when he falls into the vat of chemicals, thats when he really goes off the bridge. He just can't take it anymore.

He blames Batman for what has happened to him and think it's all his fault. And here's what I'd like to see happen. The Joker goes after his wife and unborn child's killer and he goes to murder him. After murdering him The Joker flees away in his car but is then chased by the Gotham Police Department. The Joker tries to get away from the comics and runs into a chemical factory and you know the rest. He comes out disgusted with the look but goes to mad and insane that all he can do is laugh at it, he then inevitably becomes Mr. J. I don't want henchmen with the Joker this time around. They should go for a totally different approach this time. Another scene I'd love to see is Joker crashing a rich Gotham black and white ball wearing a spiffy tux. The Joker wants to be around a crowd, he wants to be known. Whenever he's locked away thats when he seems like creepy thin man, he's soft talking but yet you can just sense evil all throughout him. In public, The Joker is scary, not by looks but just by him being him. He's really like the maniacs in real life but with green hair, red lips, and the pale chalk skin. I don't know how else to put it at the moment.

[Beelze]

While I didn't have much against Katie Holmes, I think The Joker should kill her.

[HughJackFan420]

i wanna see him stay alive for a few sequels and die after killing Robin

[Zaphod]

I want the Joker's crimes to be nonsensical and bozzare, while at the same time being sadistic and crazed.


The Joker has kidnapped someone. Someone of importance to the movie, not just any old-nobody. Say...Harvey Dent or Rachal Dawes, or someone of equal intergrity. He has them, tied up, dangling just above a large pool of water. In this pool, is a shark. But, the water is actually atrophine, or something else equally nasty, and the shark...is dead. It's just floating their, lifeless, on the surface. The Joker proceeds to descend his wailing but confused victim into the pool, until he becomes frustrated at the sharks less-than-stiring performance, and simply attempts to drown the victim by hand in the atrophine.
Human pinyata. Did I spell that right? It doesn't matter, anyway...the Joker has strung someone up like a pinyata. That means, they are in an 'all-fours' position, dangling (again) up in mid air, by means of a harness. They are bound, gagged, and typically unable to escape their fate, aswell as being near-butt naked and wearing a large nappy (this would be a guy victim). Or something equally degrading and humiliating. The Joker, feeling his sweetooth then proceeds to beat the poor gentleman to death with a baseball bat. Or he lets a kid do it at his command. Either way, messy stuff. These are the sort of crimes the Joker should commit, when he's not off inciting huge gangwars in Gotham.

Thoughts?

[Dark Knight]

well not to sick.....but as for the storyline and narrative is concerned. He is going to have to either kidnap or perhaps murder Rachel and or do the same to Gordon or Dents wife. I would love to see the climactic battle be held in the Funhouse ala The Killing Joke.....that would awesome!

[Yellow Cyclone]

I want the Joker's crimes to be nonsensical and bozzare, while at the same time being sadistic and crazed.


The Joker has kidnapped someone. Someone of importance to the movie, not just any old-nobody. Say...Harvey Dent or Rachal Dawes, or someone of equal intergrity. He has them, tied up, dangling just above a large pool of water. In this pool, is a shark. But, the water is actually atrophine, or something else equally nasty, and the shark...is dead. It's just floating their, lifeless, on the surface. The Joker proceeds to descend his wailing but confused victim into the pool, until he becomes frustrated at the sharks less-than-stiring performance, and simply attempts to drown the victim by hand in the atrophine.


THAT is near PERFECT



you seriously nailed it.....thats what the joker would do....go through this elaborate setup and make the audience wonder "wtf its not going to work" then just get his own hands dirty and kill the victim slowly just because of the "humor" in the situation to him

kudos:up: :up:

[The Question]

A scene I've always had in mind for The Joker:


It's a theater. The production is Pagliache. However, instead of the usual actors, The Joker walks on stage. Now, everyone thinks he's just part of the show. He then takes out a gas mask and a remote control. He puts on the mask, and presses a button on the remote. An invisible gas eneters the room. The people in the audiance start laughing uncontrolably for several seconds, flairling and looking as if they're in incredible pain. And then they all die. Then, The Joker preforms the porter monologue from McBeth in it's entirety. He finishes, and takes a bow. When no one laughs (since they're all dead), he just walks off mumbling "everyone's a critic". As he walks off, we see the bodies of the actors backstage strewn on the floor.

[Katsuro]

A scene I've always had in mind for The Joker:


It's a theater. The production is Pagliache. However, instead of the usual actors, The Joker walks on stage. Now, everyone thinks he's just part of the show. He then takes out a gas mask and a remote control. He puts on the mask, and presses a button on the remote. An invisible gas eneters the room. The people in the audiance start laughing uncontrolably for several seconds, flairling and looking as if they're in incredible pain. And then they all die. Then, The Joker preforms the porter monologue from McBeth in it's entirety. He finishes, and takes a bow. When no one laughs (since they're all dead), he just walks off mumbling "everyone's a critic". As he walks off, we see the bodies of the actors backstage strewn on the floor.

Haha, I like it. I dont know if its right for the film (dont know if it would fit in the story and such), but I do like it.

I think Joker needs a grand plan in this film. Perhaps not at first, but he should develop one. It shouldn't be "poison all of Gotham" either, that's been done to death. One idea that could tie in well to the subplot of the other villains is that he wants to start a mob war. We've got three mobster type villains rumored for this sequel (Maroni, Black Mask, Cobblepot), so wouldn't it be great if Joker was trying to stir stuff up between Maroni's and Sionis's gangs to cause a huge city-wide gang war. Perhaps this could take place early on, with Batman preventing Joker from screwing up an arms deal and thus messing up Joker's plan. Then Joker takes a shine to Batman and his new goal becomes to ruin Batman's life. From there on he does whatever he can to hurt Batman and his allies, including showing up at Harvey Dent's house on christmas eve to try to kill him (ala The Long Halloween).

I just realized something funny, btw. Everyone here wants Joker to kill Rachel, and i'm all for that, but there's a question I have. What would be his motivation? the logical answer would seem to be, to hurt Batman. But wait a minute... Rachel is Bruce Wayne's childhood friend, and Joker should NOT know Batman's identity. Now, of course i know Joker doesn't specifically need motivation to kill, but i'd have to assume he has a reason for targeting this one specific person, otherwise it's far too coincidental. Besides, her death would be a lot more meaningful if it was intended specifically to hurt Batman, as opposed to her just being one of his many victims because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. So really, i'm just trying to think of a way in which Joker could know that Rachel's death would hurt Batman, but without him knowing his identity. With Gilda Dent rumored for the sequel I dont think Dent could be involved with her... so I dont know.

[The Question]

Well, mabey since Rachel is a good friend of Gordon and probably will be a good friend of Harvey Dent, and is a well known figure in Gotham, he chooses her simply because it will spread more fear and despair. Look at her. She's nice, charitable, and only wants to help her comunity. Plus, she's a high ranking official in city government. Not the type of person who you'd expect to be brutally murdered. So, when she is, Gotham's citizens are in a panic.

[Bat-God]

Seriously, he should kill Rachel. Not becuase I hated Katie Holmes or her character, just that it would cement Batman's hate for the Joker. And I mean CEMENT.

Think about it: Joker kidnaps Rachel, who is now DA becuase her boss was killed(Harvey should come in as ADA), in her office and leaves a note for Batman to find. Bruce decides to visit her and bring her some roses, just for the hell of it. He finds her room a mess, with the note, written in green crayon, on the desk. He reads it and realizes that Joker kidnapped her. In the note, Joker tells Batman that he's kidnapped her and even where they are. Almost daring Batman to come and rescue her. In an abandoned circus or carnival. Batman alerts Gordon about the kidnapping, and then rides like hell to the circus. Inside the circus, Joker has armed all the attractions with deadly booby traps. Almost like a gauntlet that Batman has to get through. Each one getting harder and more deadlier. Batman than finally gets to The Hall of Mirrors, surrounded by images of the Joker and Rachel tied up and gagged in a chair. Then, the floor drops out from under Batman and a kind of chute leads him to and underground containment center, with a huge tank filled with murkey water.(I'm gonna borrow this part from Zaphod becuase it's an awesome idea) Joker is standing above the tank and to the side with a crane. Rachel is hanging from the crane tied up in the chair and gagged, hanging from the hook over the tank. Batman and Joker converse for a while, then Joker reveals that there's a Great White Shark in the tank. Batman then gives Joker and ultimatum. Take Batman in Rachel's place. Joker agrees and lets Rachel go. Batman whispers to Rachel to run out and wait for him outside when they pass each other. Joker ties Batman up and begins to drop him into the tank slowly, laughing the whole time. But Joker forgot to check Batman for things in his belt, becuase they've only met barely a few times before. So, Batman cuts himself free and disappears up the crane the whole time Joker is laughing and has his eyes off Batman. Then Joker is shocked and angry that Batman is gone, then Batman jumps down from the crane, wings spread onto the Joker. Then he proceeds to beat the crap out of him. Handcuffs Joker and goes outside to find Rachel. Joker uses some acid from his flower and eats through the handcuffs and follows Batman out, pulls a gun out of his coat pocket. Batman reaches Rachel and hugs her. They talk for a bit, then Joker calls after Batman, calling him Batsy. Holds the revolver up and shoots Rachel in the stomach, killing her almost instantly, her dying in Batman arms. Joker starts to laugh hysterically, Batman gets the most pissed he's ever gotten. Anger coursing through his veins. He sets Rachel down on the ground, and then proceeds to beat the hell out of the Joker, with intent of KILLING him. Hits him and kicks him and just beats the crap outta him. He starts to strangle him. Then a shot is fired from behind Batman and it hits the ground behind him, a warning shot from Gordon. He tells Batman to think about what he's doing. Just think about the whole exchange from Hush Vol. 1. Dent gets there shortly after Gordon does. Then, sirens sound from a distance. Batman is long gone by the time the cops show up. They arrest Joker, and carry Rachel away. Then, a few weeks later, Joker goes on trial, with new DA Harvey Dent prosecuting. Joker throws the acid in Dent's face during the trial, and thus is born Two-Face. Leading into the sequel.

[COMPO]

I think that the joker should be the one to kill Sal Maroni. And steals a missile from Black Mask and Penguin when they are aprehended by Batman. He then sets out to detroy Wayne Tower, also destroying the main power grid. Truning all the power in Gotham freing all the prisioner from Stone gate Prison and Arkham. Creating havoc among Gotham.

[COMPO]

Well obviously he has to kill Sarah Essen. But, i also feel that he should be as good a fighter as Batman (As well as Black Mask and Penguin). He should fight like he did in Return of the Joker. Lastly i feel that the Joker should be hidden in the shadow through the first scene we see him. To give us an air of mystery.

[neobido9999]

there should be a momnet in the film where Batman takes out a room full of goons (police?) like he did with arkham. In a scene paralleling his with the Scarecrow, he slams the Joker against a wall by his neck, and threatens him. The joker looks fascinated for a brief second then bursts out laughing, the opposite to crane fainting

[The Guard]

I'd like to see him be Jude Law.

[super scar]

]
I just realized something funny, btw. Everyone here wants Joker to kill Rachel, and i'm all for that, but there's a question I have. What would be his motivation?
Exactly. He has none at all. If anyone has a reason for killing her it's Crane. I know it's not sticking to the comics but I quite liked the rumour that The Joker was going to scar Dent in court.

[droogiedroogie2]

I want to see him murder people, and then just laugh about it. Just shoot someone in the face and laugh. And I don't want him to act like an ass clown like last time. Not a fan of the Nicholson portrale.Yeah, thank you. I'm tired of being the only one who will admit that.

I'd like to see the a Joker plot lifted from The Man Who Laughs or The Killing Joke. Only problem with The Killing Joke is that you'd have to play the character as having been a plague on Gotham for a long time already, and modern superhero movies seem unwilling to treat a character as having been around for awhile.

[javi1024]

He should be near a theater, and slaughter a whole group of people while singing "Smile, Darn Ya, Smile." :joker::up:

all im gonna say is thats not joker. there's already been like 20 threads exactly like this one so you can read what i posted in those.

[Beelze]

I just realized something funny, btw. Everyone here wants Joker to kill Rachel, and i'm all for that, but there's a question I have. What would be his motivation? the logical answer would seem to be, to hurt Batman. But wait a minute... Rachel is Bruce Wayne's childhood friend, and Joker should NOT know Batman's identity. Now, of course i know Joker doesn't specifically need motivation to kill, but i'd have to assume he has a reason for targeting this one specific person, otherwise it's far too coincidental. Besides, her death would be a lot more meaningful if it was intended specifically to hurt Batman, as opposed to her just being one of his many victims because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. So really, i'm just trying to think of a way in which Joker could know that Rachel's death would hurt Batman, but without him knowing his identity. With Gilda Dent rumored for the sequel I dont think Dent could be involved with her... so I dont know.
I want them to have the Joker kill Rachel if they can come up with a good reason. As you suggested yourself, the Joker doesn't really need to have a good reason, but that would still be preferable.

Perhaps they can get her character more involved with Batman, and after the Joker learns about them cooperating he kills Rachel to anger Batman. Or perhaps he kills Rachel because to anger the DA she works for, Harvey Dent (maybe because Dent's so open about his hatred for crime and all that, and so the Joker feels that his feelings are hurt... you know the Joker. ;)).

It'd be nice if he kidnaps her and alerts Batman and/or Dent somehow. Batman tries to save her but fails (makes some mistake, doesn't make it in time, etc.) Rachel was already saved a couple of times in Begins, so it might be a bit too much if she's saved again.

[COMPO]

I think that the first time we see a Joker crime scene we should see a mob enforcer dead in an apartment hanging from an old pipe, with a large 'Joker' grin on his face.

[french joker]

i think he sould rape Rachel (then kill her)

[Katsuro]

I want them to have the Joker kill Rachel if they can come up with a good reason. As you suggested yourself, the Joker doesn't really need to have a good reason, but that would still be preferable.

Perhaps they can get her character more involved with Batman, and after the Joker learns about them cooperating he kills Rachel to anger Batman. Or perhaps he kills Rachel because to anger the DA she works for, Harvey Dent (maybe because Dent's so open about his hatred for crime and all that, and so the Joker feels that his feelings are hurt... you know the Joker. ;)).

It'd be nice if he kidnaps her and alerts Batman and/or Dent somehow. Batman tries to save her but fails (makes some mistake, doesn't make it in time, etc.) Rachel was already saved a couple of times in Begins, so it might be a bit too much if she's saved again.

Yeah, that could work. Dent is the new DA and Rachel is still ADA, and Joker kidnaps Rachel to torment Dent. Dent calls upon Gordon and Batman for help. Or perhaps, Joker wants to get at Batman, and he finds out Batman and Dent are close, so he kidnaps Rachel, knowing that Dent will call upon Batman to save her.

Either one works, as long as Rachel meets her fate at the hands of the Joker. I want to get her out of the way for Selina or Talia, and I think killing her will also make it clear that this is Jokers greatest enemy.

[nolan's roll'n]

I want the Joker to be an insane lunatic, not the kind we've seen before in Nicholson's performance. I want the Joker to be like he's portayed in the comics and in BTAS but not like in The Batman. Anyways I want Joker to be a very frightening maniac who's also is a killer. I don't think that Paul Bettany looks like the Joker but he does have the acting down for the role. I haven't been able to see the reason why people think he looks just like the Joker, as far as I'm concerned as long as they choose a good unknown actor like him I'm fine. I haven't seen a Paul Battany Manip that has really made me say he has the looks to play the Joker. Lachy Hulme on the other hand has that but I haven't really seen him act.

[Horror Business]

make the joker like alexander delarge minus the rape though.

[batadz]

I doubt that we'll see rachel unless she dies and batz wants to find who did it ie joker.

I know this is sick but we could see rachel or someone like harvey dent (the joker has been linked to his past because the joker humiliates him infront of his wife in his home prior to two face) anyway:

WE see a woman gaged and on her side on the floor then we see a trickle of water start to trickle on her face we then see her struggling. we then hear a manic laughter.
Next shot his joker's back stood over her (he is wizzing on her)
We then see harvey dent struggle tied to a chair getting more and more infuriated. The woman is crying the joker finishes
"Whats the mater your wifey poos all wet?"
"You'll regret ever entering my house you sick freak!!!!!"
"why what are you going to do? emmabarass your self like your little wify just did?"
He caresses his face with a gun pushing it in to Dent's cheek.
"**** YOU"
"sorry preaty boy your not my type... your wife on the otherhand..."
"If you lay a finger on her!!"
Joker lifts up the womans face as if to kiss her - she is terrified
"You'll what?"
he turns back to the woman and gives an evil sneery grin then dent starts to struggle as off camera we hear a rip and a muffled scream then we hear laughter. she is obviously being raped
"I kill you for this I'll killyou!!!!!!"
gunshot: BANG!
CUT
next time were back on this scene we see a dead wife on the floor with an unconsious dent still tied to the chair on the chair next to her with a joker card on his chest as police start to wake him up and cover the body.
sick I know but it will get the audience crying out for some bat justice and hate the joker big time plus it would be very controversal and get alot of expose!

[Rynan]

What the ***** is with people and rape? Do they have clown fetishes or something?

[batadz]

? its never been done and it will be a shocker thats all

[COMPO]

It is a bit sick. But, it's what the joker would do. But, instead of Dent's wife have it be rachael. Then he kills her and bobs your uncle they bring a new love interest.

[Rynan]

It's also of of extremely poor taste. And no, I don't belive The Joker would do that. The Joker is NOT a rapist. Period. I can't belive people even entertain that sickingly poor idea. Are you even thinking about the character anymore or you just rambling on and on about extremely violent, shock value shlock that you think will make him "Scary" or in need of "Bat Justice". That's just idoicy. Look, okay, I've had all I can take of your vision of a blood soaked, preverted Joker. Read a damn book, for crying out loud, instead of bringing up piss poor tastless ideas.

I'm chalking this one up with the "Carving" idea.

[batadz]

he did actually rape dent's wife infront of him before he became two face in comic book continuity
bloodsoaked?
he killed gordons wife (I think he raped her too but I'm not sure)
he brutally battered jason todd with a crow bar
he shot barbara gordon at point blank range in the spine
he shot leiutenent Sarah Essen
so rynan.........
....................read a book!

[Rynan]

The Joker raping Gilda Dent?!

Please, inform me of what comic that was in or if that's in a graphic novel. I want to read it to see why some people consider rape a semi-zenith of comic writing, because I usually associate rape and crimes of that nature, with eh....*****. Sorry, but that's my belief, take it or leave it. Rape is just worthless shock value garbage.

I did I deny that The Joker was a murderer? No, I didn't. I'm just saying that some people here seem to want him to gut his victims, pull out their hearts and eat them. Of course, after raping them.

Am I so wrong to think that excessive gore and rape is going a little too far?

Isn't The Joker killing people enough?

[batadz]

thats why i said don't show it on camera and show it off camera and show harvey's reactions (remember we need an event to send Dent into his downward spiral and tip him off the edge)

I don't think its actually been shown it could have been but IT IS told in hush by harvey dent himself to the joker it's when he removes the bandages and reveals that the two face side of him has been removed.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

He didn't rape Gilda.

People DO wonder if he did rape Babs though.

[batadz]

hmmmm interesting

[Rynan]

Oop, just ChrisBaleBatman's post, which basically said what I was going to say.

[batadz]

I tell you what Im halfway through wargames at the mo and I ant seen two face since hush, is he a good fellah now or was that just a rouse when he helped batz at the end?

[batadz]

heres the quote:
"harveys face has been repaired, his sudden appearance here is unexpected.
Have I lost in tommy elliot a freindship only to gain in harvey one I'd lost?"

[Rynan]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221519

This should help you out...

[Katsuro]

Wow, I dont even know what to say after reading some of this crap? Did someone seriously suggest Joker pee on, then rape Harveys wife? Come on!! Have you ever even picked up a comic? When has Joker ever raped anyone in the comics? Why would he even? That's not what he's about at all. You dont seem to understand the character at all. you just seem to want him to do the craziest, most disgusting stuff imaginable, even when it's completely out of character.

[The Last Meatbag]

Id like to see a major fight scene in a old abandoned theatre, with dramatic stage music playing the entire time, and lights and props tipping over the entire time. I think it would also be eerie for him to have mannequins in the audience seats. Joker would never be able to actually take Batman hand to hand, so he'd need to have a crowbar or a baseball bat :o


Id like to see his three stooges henchmen as well :O

[COMPO]

Actually i think that joker should be a good fighter and rynan and katsuro are right about the rape thing. We are all just trying to make the joker too scary when really he's more scary as what he does anyway.

[batadz]

I've just read the first half of the man who laughs it could be interesting if they went down that route of the joker but i think it would be too close to bm89

[The Last Meatbag]

Look at Jokers physique, he's not a good fighter

[batadz]

last meatbag is right joker has NEVER bin a good fighter, batz would proper kick his scrawny ass

[Horror Business]

i think rape is a little too extreme.

[batadz]

We really need to piss harvey off though if she is violated then killed it would hurt him more!

[Horror Business]

We really need to piss harvey off though if she is violated then killed it would hurt him more!

it just wouldn't work. this is a comic book movie, kids will be watching. its just a bad idea overall. the joker is not a rapist he is just a nutball, he gets off on killing not rape.

[Horror Business]

harvey dent is a nutball too, most things will piss him off.

[batadz]

I dont want this film being aimed at kids
Thats what killed the original franchise the first time infact sumone on these bords said they had the special edition b&r on dvd (EF KNOWS WHY?) and said that shumacker was told to make it for six to seven years olds

So they can go and watch superman or somthing else

[Ronny Shade]

I think its safe to assume nolans not making it for 6 year olds.


I dunno if rape is the way to go though. Joker seems like he only gets kicks out of sick humor. and rape is sick, but not really humor.

[Mr. Socko]

If Joker is gonna pee on anyone then R Kelly should be The Joker unless they're gonna use digital pee.

[Phaser]

Here's something I would absolutely love to see in the sequel, as a nod to films along the lines of Se7en and Silence of the Lambs. Have the Joker run rampant on a killing spree in Gotham, with the Clown Prince of Crime randomly disposing of his victims in seemingly freakish and unconventional ways completely devoid of patterns and logical reasoning, thereby leaving Batman nothing but dust as to clues of the Joker's next possible victim.

And as Batman, despite being ever the detective, is now locked in his cave, hopeslessly glaring at the forensic evidence gathered from the previous murders. Confused and lost, struggling to try and save the next unfortunate soul that tickles the Joker's fancy, he sets out for further and more detailed examination of the murder sites. On his way, Batman intercepts one of the GCPD patrol car transmissions :

"Alert all units. The serial-killing madman has been apprehended in the Gotham Financial District. All units in closest proximity prioritize escorting the suspect to Arkham."

"Something's not right", thinks Batman. "An usual killer this lethal, brilliant and elusive can't be caught by typical means..." Nevertheless, he keeps his eye on the police communications anticipating, lest something go awry.

A couple of hours later after checking out the murder sites, Batman sees the signal lit up the night sky. Looks like Gordon wants to talk to him.

"You're never gonna believe this", quips Gordon "we got tipped by an anonymous source as to the killer's whereabouts and turns out that our guy voluntarily turned himself in. Looks like he's taken quite a fancy to you, demands to talk to you alone at Arkham. A couple of interrogators tried sizing him up a bit but ended up in the infirmary. Stabbed one with a pencil in the eye, burnt the other's face with some kind of acid he pulled out of nowhere and burst into hyseterical laughter. Had to move him to maximum security. We couldn't get a word out him."

And so have Batman and Joker talk face to face in a huge empty circle chamber at Arkham, with the Joker shackled up in chains. Would make for a damn interesting conversation, with the Joker admitting his strange, sadistic fascination with the Batman and a truly nasty surprise waiting in store for him at the end of their little "chat".

[Brian2887]

Whatever Joker does to Harvey's wife, if he does anything should happen off-screen. We see him toying with her, building suspense until we know something bad's gonna happen. Then, we don't need to see it.

We'll know she's been killed, but how is up to the mind of the viewer. Sometimes, the scariest stuff is what you don't see.

[Mr. Socko]

Joker should cut off the skin on Gilda's face like the man in Hannibal. Then Joker can feed it to his dogs.

[COMPO]

You my firend are sick, that is just plain sick and wrong. I can't think about it right now. Jesus Christ!

[Ronny Shade]

Joker shouldnt have dogs. unless they have joker smiles

[Toxin66]

he should beat someone with a crowbar....and laugh at every second of it....but, only show him raise it in the air, show the frightened persons face and then show Jokers shadow as he beats the crap out of them

[Toxin66]

Here's something I would absolutely love to see in the sequel, as a nod to films along the lines of Se7en and Silence of the Lambs. Have the Joker run rampant on a killing spree in Gotham, with the Clown Prince of Crime randomly disposing of his victims in seemingly freakish and unconventional ways completely devoid of patterns and logical reasoning, thereby leaving Batman nothing but dust as to clues of the Joker's next possible victim.

And as Batman, despite being ever the detective, is now locked in his cave, hopeslessly glaring at the forensic evidence gathered from the previous murders. Confused and lost, struggling to try and save the next unfortunate soul that tickles the Joker's fancy, he sets out for further and more detailed examination of the murder sites. On his way, Batman intercepts one of the GCPD patrol car transmissions :

"Alert all units. The serial-killing madman has been apprehended in the Gotham Financial District. All units in closest proximity prioritize escorting the suspect to Arkham."

"Something's not right", thinks Batman. "An usual killer this lethal, brilliant and elusive can't be caught by typical means..." Nevertheless, he keeps his eye on the police communications anticipating, lest something go awry.

A couple of hours later after checking out the murder sites, Batman sees the signal lit up the night sky. Looks like Gordon wants to talk to him.

"You're never gonna believe this", quips Gordon "we got tipped by an anonymous source as to the killer's whereabouts and turns out that our guy voluntarily turned himself in. Looks like he's taken quite a fancy to you, demands to talk to you alone at Arkham. A couple of interrogators tried sizing him up a bit but ended up in the infirmary. Stabbed one with a pencil in the eye, burnt the other's face with some kind of acid he pulled out of nowhere and burst into hyseterical laughter. Had to move him to maximum security. We couldn't get a word out him."

And so have Batman and Joker talk face to face in a huge empty circle chamber at Arkham, with the Joker shackled up in chains. Would make for a damn interesting conversation, with the Joker admitting his strange, sadistic fascination with the Batman and a truly nasty surprise waiting in store for him at the end of their little "chat".




i love it!!

[The Last Meatbag]

Joker shouldnt have dogs. unless they have joker smiles

Hyenas :o

[batman7289]

Great Story

[Tomar-Re]

he should beat someone with a crowbar....and laugh at every second of it....but, only show him raise it in the air, show the frightened persons face and then show Jokers shadow as he beats the crap out of them

If Joker DOES beat someone to death with a crowbar the scene should be told by one of his henchmen that was caught at the scene. While being interrogated by police, and looking quite disturbed at what has transpired, the henchman explains to the police how Joker just seemed to "snap". The scene should be done with alternating shots between the interrogation room and flashbacks of the events. The Henchman's explaination of the events should be dubbed over the quick flashbacks to add a nice flow to the scene. (I hope you guys can understand this) When we get to the actual beating the shot can be either of the Henchmen's horrified face at the scene or the look on the policemen's face while he tells it.. finishing with a flashback of the joker's hand holding a crowbar in focus while the bloody body is at a distance out of focus..all the while hearing his horrific laugh.

That would be the point where the joker goes from a brutal crime thief to a lunatic murder.

[Ronny Shade]

I understand.:up: Its a common cinematic technique. I loved the scene in Mask of the Phantasm, though, where Joker stabbed Arthur and it was shown in shadows on the wall.

[Toxin66]

I totally understand and that is great! It would be perfect! Hey, maybe after he is done telling the story the cops ask him where The Joker is. Just as he starts to tell the police that he would be a deadman if he did, a dart flies in through the window and sticks in the back of the henchman's neck, infecting him with the Joker's Laughing Poison with a "Bang, You're Dead!" flag attached.......maybe is pushed the idea farther than it should have gone, but hey, i was on a roll.

[batadz]

tomar -re are you a fellow director/producer?

you sound like you know your stuff (like me)

[The Last Meatbag]

someone's cocky :o

[Dark Knight]

Joker has committed with some pretty crazy crimes and carried out some off-the-wall murders in his 60-some years in the comics. What kind of things do you think he will do or what would you like him to do in the sequel? :joker: I'd offer my own thoughts, but I'm not very imaginative right now.


well....for one he needs to beat someone to death with a crowbar.....and i see that type of scene being done how Hannibal Lector beat the guard in prison in Silence of the Lambs. For some reason....I'm thinking Joker may do something similar perhaps to Det Flass??

Of course he needs to use a deadly toy or two.

My main thing is that I want to see the climactic battle between the two take place at the carnival Funhouse, like how it was done in The Killing Joke.

Plus I think Joker killing Rachel would provide the Batman with the hate and rage toward Joker....that will bring a whole new test to Batman and his pscyhe.

[Tomar-Re]

tomar -re are you a fellow director/producer?

you sound like you know your stuff (like me)

LOL i've just watched way too many movies in my time

[Ronny Shade]

LOL i've just watched way too many movies in my time
Keep it up and you'll be making them before you know it.

[batadz]

im i the only guy on here that has actually directed? ie on a regular basis?

[Ronny Shade]

I have a few times.

[Tomar-Re]

just some "home movies" with the gf ;)

[Ronny Shade]

Tomar, you dog.:o

On the real, Adz, I've directed 3 silent films. 2 video movies, and collaborated with my bro on several other in-camera edited videos. I'm currently working on an animated mock trailer.:up:

[batadz]

wicked!
Have you worked on live stuff too? Or in studios?
What were the silent films about?
I really hate incamera edits but said that i do have a profeesional avid at home so im privalged as well as a full working studio at uni
Ive never done any thing animated myself
have you ever had clients or been paid for it?

[Ronny Shade]

wicked!
Have you worked on live stuff too? Or in studios?
What were the silent films about?
I really hate incamera edits but said that i do have a profeesional avid at home so im privalged as well as a full working studio at uni
Ive never done any thing animated myself
have you ever had clients or been paid for it?

My 3 films were silent B&W 16 mm shorts:
Shades, starring yours truly as a guy who find an evil pair of sunglasses. 3 minutes I think. No soundtrack.
Double Play, an absurdist romantic comedy, also starring me. (I pulled a Schumacher on this movie because the people I was working with changed all my ideas so I just made the movie stupid as hell....it kinda worked, kinda didn't.) About 4 minutes. I did the soundtrack.
Winfield. This is my masterpeice to date. It's a retro-horror slasher film starring my brother as well as me and some more friends. I worked with the same group as for Double Play but I showed them who was boss this time. Turned out very nicely. About 7 minutes long. I did the soundtrack.

The in camera edits were a result of necessity. I didn't have any editing equipment. Plus I was like 14 when we did the first one of 5. The fifth one was shot to be edited, but I haven't edited it yet.

Last summer I shot a movie on digital video (starring me). It was a action-comedy-adventure movie called Kung Fu High. I started the editing but never finished it. I will eventually.

Never done any of this professionally, but I did have a TV studio class where we did some inteviews (talk show format) and infomercials.

If I'm ever in the UK for an extended period of time we'll do a collabo if you're up for it.:up:

[batadz]

you bet yer ass we will, I have done proffesional stuff live on the internet and i ve been paid for client vids too, once got paid for directing
but I've never worked on film only mini dv.
I make shorts all the time, but you should stay away from useing your mates all the time - try to get hold of older actors too. I think it makes it look that much more proffesional (obviously if it is lit well too)

oh and you know what my current BIG project is so i'll keep you posted!!

[explode7]

I will like to see joker **** a girl in BB2. I pretty much doubt I will ever get to see that.

[Ronny Shade]

you bet yer ass we will, I have done proffesional stuff live on the internet and i ve been paid for client vids too, once got paid for directing
but I've never worked on film only mini dv.
I make shorts all the time, but you should stay away from useing your mates all the time - try to get hold of older actors too. I think it makes it look that much more proffesional (obviously if it is lit well too)

oh and you know what my current BIG project is so i'll keep you posted!!
Don't I know it. I've always been a concept guy. The business and organizational side has never been my strong point. It's my weakness.

[batadz]

here some hot of the press news regarding my film carreer ronny!!!!!!!
I've been in talks with a producer at paramount pictures the past two days!!!!!! He's goona film somthing in the uk in a month or so and he checked out my mission film from three years ago, liked what he saw and said he would like to give me a job soon on one of his productions!!!

Also he said that if all goes well there might be room to squeeze me on his next progect with spielburg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I promised i wouldnt say anything about this untill he knew more but its BIG man! anyway speak to you soon, I'll pm you about it if you can keep your gob shut dude! (probly tell sean tonight if he sighns in latyer)

But dont post anything about the said subject on these boards coz I'll probly lose my place there

[dr.strange]

id like to see a scene in which one of his "henchmen" is hired.i always wondered how a thug gets to work with a supervillain.the joker kills one guy and hires another one.

[Ronny Shade]

The "Bang" scene from Return of the Joker would be EXCELLENT.

[COMPO]

i think that rachael should be taken off the scene for an other love interest. But, instead of the Joker killing her or shooting her like what will happen to Sarah Essen have him, drive her into insanity some how. Putting her in a psyciatric ward. And in the next film have Alfred ask him how Rachael is doing, so there still a bit of continuity. She may not be in the films any more, but, she's still mentioned.

[Mr. Socko]

The Joker should piss on Rachel and spit on her before he kills her...

[COMPO]

hasn't he ever heard of a tiolet.

[bdsproductions]

I want the Joker's crimes to be nonsensical and bozzare, while at the same time being sadistic and crazed.

The Joker has kidnapped someone. Someone of importance to the movie, not just any old-nobody. Say...Harvey Dent or Rachal Dawes, or someone of equal intergrity. He has them, tied up, dangling just above a large pool of water. In this pool, is a shark. But, the water is actually atrophine, or something else equally nasty, and the shark...is dead. It's just floating their, lifeless, on the surface. The Joker proceeds to descend his wailing but confused victim into the pool, until he becomes frustrated at the sharks less-than-stiring performance, and simply attempts to drown the victim by hand in the atrophine.
Human pinyata. Did I spell that right? It doesn't matter, anyway...the Joker has strung someone up like a pinyata. That means, they are in an 'all-fours' position, dangling (again) up in mid air, by means of a harness. They are bound, gagged, and typically unable to escape their fate, aswell as being near-butt naked and wearing a large nappy (this would be a guy victim). Or something equally degrading and humiliating. The Joker, feeling his sweetooth then proceeds to beat the poor gentleman to death with a baseball bat. Or he lets a kid do it at his command. Either way, messy stuff.These are the sort of crimes the Joker should commit, when he's not off inciting huge gangwars in Gotham.

Thoughts?

the human pinyata idea intrigues me.

[Cinemaman]

I want him to be too crazy and insane.

Also I want him to be very hard enemy for Batman, because Batman will not be able to predict what is Joker going to do next second.

[bdsproductions]

I want him to be too crazy and insane.

Also I want him to be very hard enemy for Batman, because Batman will not be able to predict what is Joker going to do next second.


No,you want him too be a silly goofster!.

[Cinemaman]

No,you want him too be a silly goofster!.

I think you have problems with yourself.

I just want him to be crazy in fights with Batman. Thats all.

[bdsproductions]

I think you have problems with yourself.

I just want him to be crazy in fights with Batman. Thats all.


i personally think he should never really gight,more mystery around the madman,less fighting.

[Cinemaman]

i personally think he should never really gight,more mystery around the madman,less fighting.

I want to see only one real fight between him and Batman, where Joker is the real beast!