FF in May...oh my...(Spoilers!)

[Fuzzy Dude Fan]

Taken from Newsarama.com

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/May06/main/FF_one_Shot.jpg


FANTASTIC FOUR - A DEATH IN THE FAMILY - ONE-SHOT
Written by Karl Kesel
Pencils & Cover by Lee Weeks
The Invisible Woman is dead! As Reed cradles his murdered wife, lost in grief, and Ben rampages after Sue's killer, Johnny defiantly decides to do whatever it takes¡ª no matter the cost or consequence¡ª to see his sister alive again. What he does will change the way the Fantastic Four look at him forever. "A Death in the Family"-- not a dream, not a hoax... and not to be missed. Includes bonus Fantastic Four issue #245!
64 PGS./Rated A ...$3.99

[Buslady]

DAAAAAAAAYUM!
that's crazy....

[KingOfDreams]

Interesting. I wonder if it's in continuity or not.

[rnewbz]

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.

[webhead731]

Invisible Woman dies? What the heck?:confused:

I don't read that Fantastic Four series, so maybe that's why I don't know. But still, dang. So if she dies, will it be the Fantastic Three?
Wow.:confused:

[LetsHangBendis]

She won't die. At least not in a way that isn't resolved quickly.

Then again, JMS is writing FF, so who knows. But Kesel is writing this book. So it can't suck THAT hard.

I wonder what's happening in Fantastic Four while this one shot shows up.

[CConn]

Kesel's previous FF work has been quite crappy, actually. Still, I really don't think this will be what it looks like...

[3dman27]

She won't die. At least not in a way that isn't resolved quickly.

Then again, JMS is writing FF, so who knows. But Kesel is writing this book. So it can't suck THAT hard.

I wonder what's happening in Fantastic Four while this one shot shows up.
probably the child welfare storyline
i'll bet its doom pulling a norman osborn having the richards kids removed to aveng his being overthrown as king of latveria by the ff

[Darth Wolverine]

Joe Quaseda had this to say in an interview on Newsarama:



NRAMA: Now let’s get to probably the subject of the week – the FF. First of all, can you tell us about the just-solicited Death in the Family one-shot, promising the death of Sue Richards?
In reads, and we quote, “Not a dream, not a hoax”...So this is truly “in continuity” and she really buys it?
JQ - Karl Kesel has created one of the best told in one FF stories in a very long time, and yes, unfortunately, there will be a death in the FF family and it is all in continuity. But here’s some Joe Fridays breaking news that the solicits don’t tell ya, and remember, you heard it here first: two of the FF die, not just one. Gone, goodbye, nevermore. By the way, let me state this clearly for the record. This story is not a Civil War tie-in!
NRAMA: While this question may sound sarcastic, it’s actually genuine. How can you have a title called Fantastic Four with 2 of them dead?
JQ - That is pretty weird, isn't it?
NRAMA: And “nevermore” is a strong word, you realize you’re either a.) setting expectations for a genuine, long-term death; b.) you¹re leaving yourself open to that statement dogging you for a while if “nevermore” turns out to be not-quite-nevermore JQ - No, no kidding really, these people actually die. I even went into Tom Brevoort’s office to double check on this; we’re talking some dead FF folk.

It's not going to be a member of the main FF...probably friends or family, maybe guys like Franklin or Val. Maybe even alternate versions...?

Quaseda showed the cover to FF #586:
http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF38art/FF536_dc.jpg
I can't wait!

[3dman27]

Joe Quaseda had this to say in an interview on Newsarama:



It's not going to be a member of the main FF...probably friends or family, maybe guys like Franklin or Val. Maybe even alternate versions...?

Quaseda showed the cover to FF #586:
http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF38art/FF536_dc.jpg
I can't wait!
vicious vic with THOR'S POWERS?
WATCH YOUR BACKS FF

[Fuzzy Dude Fan]

I bet it's both Johnny and Sue that die. I don't see how this will work, but the story's in continuity.

[GoblinScrier]

I do hope they explain Doom's return from his death in Latveria, after they had to kill the Thing in order to expel Doom from his body. This is a man who now has nothing: no body, no armor, no kingdom, no armies, etc. Of course, the cover dictates that he has his armor back...whatever..DOOM IS BACK !!! Quesada said, if that is the hammer of Thor, than what does that say about Doom ? Could it be Victor Von Doom has been reborn as a god ?

[Iron Maiden]

Awesome cover..... and could Reed's ego stand knowing that Doom is truly worthy to wield the Hammer of the Gods?

[3dman27]

i dont think so

[The Geek Vault]

o dear. JMS screwing up another comic. Killing off two FF members? for good! Doom coming back, well thats a good thing

[3dman27]

as i mentioned in another thread maybe alicia dies in the story the ff would consider that a death in the family

[Ravin' Ray]

This is a wild speculation, but I don't know if this discounts the possibility of Sue resurrecting, but without her powers. After all, the wording of the solicits said "the Invisible Woman" is dead, not "Sue Richards." I know this sounds like splitting hairs; but way back during Byrne's Psycho-Man & Malice arc, the blurbs mentioned the last appearance of the Invisible Girl, when it fact meant that Sue was changing her identity to Invisible Woman. So perhaps Sue really will die; but given that Reed & company stormed heaven to resurrect Ben, I guess Johnny figures they can pull it off again. Only this time Sue will lose her powers.

And if this happens before Civil War, that would explain that montage with Reed, Sue, and She-Hulk standing over a graveyard. (If all of this is in Earth 616.)

I am curious as to the reference to FF 245, also by Byrne. Is there a clue in that old issue about what's to happen? Here's the cover from FFPlaza.com

http://www.ffplaza.com/images/covers/vol1/ff245.jpg

[Iron Maiden]

o dear. JMS screwing up another comic. Killing off two FF members? for good! Doom coming back, well thats a good thing


The story with the deaths of two FF members is by Karl Kesel, not JMS.

As for Ravin Ray, the only thing I can come up with about that issue is that Sue ended up fighting a mysteriously powerful young man that turned out to be Franklin, who accidentally got aged by a device of Reed's that was supposed to monitor his mutant energies. He had a child's comprehension but in an adult body. I can't figure out if it would have anything to do with a death in the FF family, unless by extension they are talking about Alicia and H.E.R.B.I.E, who also appear.

[Obi-Ron]

Um, yeah, Reed died too, remember? For good, never coming back, etc, etc, does that ring a bell?

[Ravin' Ray]

Thanks Iron Maiden. I remember reading a borrowed copy way back but forgot the cover and issue number. Don't tell me this time around will involve another manifestation of Franklin's reality-alerting powers, in an attempt to bend time to prevent the death or resurrect Sue? I'm also speculating if it's only Sue's body that dies, but somehow her soul ain't there.

[ShadowBoxing]

Is Joe Quesada smoking crack

[CaptainStacy]

I hope Franklin and Valeria are not killed off.

I hate these "Death In The Family" type stories, as a fan, they're a real pain in the ass. Take the death of Reed that Obi-Ron just mentioned. All that meant to me was that i had to deal with two and a half years of crap before it was inevitably retconned.

[ShadowBoxing]

NRAMA: While this question may sound sarcastic, it’s actually genuine. How can you have a title called Fantastic Four with 2 of them dead?
JQ - That is pretty weird, isn't it?


This makes me think its not what it seems. It will prolly end up being Willie Lumpkin and Wyatt Wingfoot or something

[Shadowknight]

I do hope they explain Doom's return from his death in Latveria, after they had to kill the Thing in order to expel Doom from his body. This is a man who now has nothing: no body, no armor, no kingdom, no armies, etc. Of course, the cover dictates that he has his armor back...whatever..DOOM IS BACK !!! Quesada said, if that is the hammer of Thor, than what does that say about Doom ? Could it be Victor Von Doom has been reborn as a god ?
I doubt they'll use this, but there was a story in the 90's Deathlok series where it was revealed that Doom had a Doombot factory cranking out Doombots. I can't remember if it was under the ocean or in the U.S. But if JMS uses this knowledge, then Doom should have resources scattered throughout the globe, whether it be Doombots, laboratories, or spare armor. So he may not have "nothing" after all.

[3dman27]

wouldn't that make doom a cyborg now a human mind in a robot/androids body?

[Shadowknight]

No, I'm just saying that once he gets himself together (body and soul) that Richards didn't strip him of ALL his assets... just the ones on Latveria. Going by the Doombot factory, it means he probably has access to equipment, armor, robots, etc. all over the world.

[Kirby&Ditko]

Hey, the REAL news here is that LEE WEEKS is drawing this issue. It's about time an A team artist was on the FF again! Also of note, in May the 10th volume of the Fantastic Four Masterworks comes out, collecting the last [almost] of the Kirby run, up to #104!

[Kurosawa]

vicious vic with THOR'S POWERS?
WATCH YOUR BACKS FF

I love Doom, I really do. I argued and argued and argued over his character in the FF movie and I think he's the greatest villian in the history of comics, but that's just it...villian. Yes, Doom has his own code and is definately noble in his own way, but he's not worthy of lifting Thor's hammer. Only characters as pure as say, Cap or Black Panther could meet the requirements to lift it.

And that's nothing against Doom. I don't think any of the FF could qualify to lift it either.

[Iron Maiden]

I love Doom, I really do. I argued and argued and argued over his character in the FF movie and I think he's the greatest villian in the history of comics, but that's just it...villian. Yes, Doom has his own code and is definately noble in his own way, but he's not worthy of lifting Thor's hammer. Only characters as pure as say, Cap or Black Panther could meet the requirements to lift it.

And that's nothing against Doom. I don't think any of the FF could qualify to lift it either.

But the solicits also say that Doom is "reborn"..... maybe he had an epiphany or something while trapped between dimensions. :)

Seriously though. With Odin being dead, perhaps his enchantment over the Uru Hammer has disappeared with him. It might be fair game for anyone.

[Malus]

I hate these "Death In The Family" type stories, as a fan, they're a real pain in the ass. Take the death of Reed that Obi-Ron just mentioned. All that meant to me was that i had to deal with two and a half years of crap before it was inevitably retconned.

I hate this kinda crap.
Killing two of the FF? :rolleyes: Yeah, that'll be about as permanent as Spiderman's "death," "Electric blue" Superman, Cyborg Superman, Azreal as Batman, the above-mentioned deaths of Reed (and Doom) back in '94...Spidey's black costume...or his newest crappy costume, for that matter. (Which by the way, I predict he will shed once he parts ways politically with Tony Stark at some point in "Civil War." Yawwwn.)

As for this Dr. Doom/Thor hammer thing...kinda makes me wonder if Doom will briefly have the power of life and death, and resurrect Sue and whoever, making Reed eternally indebted to him.

But Quesada so doesn't get it. How to run Marvel, that is.
Everybody just remember his exact words here: "Two of the FF die, not just one. Gone, goodbye, nevermore."

"Two of the FF die - Gone, goodbye, nevermore."
-Joe Quesada, February 2006

He knows it's a lie. We know it's a lie.
The House of Ideas (back when they had ideas) was never about lying to the fans to boost sales.:mad:

[Kurosawa]

But the solicits also say that Doom is "reborn"..... maybe he had an epiphany or something while trapped between dimensions. :)

Seriously though. With Odin being dead, perhaps his enchantment over the Uru Hammer has disappeared with him. It might be fair game for anyone.

If there's no enchantment on the hammer, then anyone can pick it up. Odin removed the enchantments once (at Thor's request) and the Hulk picked it up.

I'm sure it's still enchanted.

Marvel needs to bring Thor himself back.

[3dman27]

yes they do

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I hope Franklin and Valeria are not killed off.

I hate these "Death In The Family" type stories, as a fan, they're a real pain in the ass. Take the death of Reed that Obi-Ron just mentioned. All that meant to me was that i had to deal with two and a half years of crap before it was inevitably retconned.
NO DOUBT!!


...and it's a GIVEN that Quesada's smokin' crack.


We just don't wanna know whose.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Why I no longer buy titles I've collected for 30 years:



"Two of the FF die - Gone, goodbye, nevermore."
-Joe Quesada, February 2006

He knows it's a lie. We know it's a lie.
The House of Ideas (back when they had ideas) was never about lying to the fans to boost sales.:mad:

[IronSpidy]

Torch better not die...

[Deathlok2001]

Is Fantastic Four #536 going to be one of Marvels best books this year

[Deathlok2001]

I know who dies!......













should I reveal......

[IronSpidy]

Go for it.




Also anyone have a pic of the cover?

[Deathlok2001]

OK here goes..........















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the





































































2 kids.

[IronSpidy]

What the hell is that soppsed to mean?


You should be banned. Man thats really not funny.

[Iron Maiden]

JMS gives us a clue on how Doom returns from Hell and his plans for the character....oh, and on the FF too.

More details from the FF #536 Press Conference posted at Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/FF/conference.htm)

And a find this part encouraging for those of us that were a bit dissatisfed with the spin Mark Waid but on the character...

"Asked where Dr. Doom is, as a character in FF #536, Straczynski said that he's always loved the nobility of the character and his belief that his actions are all to build a better Latveria"

Edited to add a longer response from Comicbookresources (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6824)

"When we last saw you handle Dr. Doom, you had a little bit of fun with the nobility aspect of the character. Where do you think the character is now and what aspects of the character do you think are important to this particular story?

JMS: I've always loved Doom's character. As you said, there is a certain nobility to him. This is a guy that however odd he is or however wrong he may be from our point of view, he thinks he's a patriot and he thinks he's trying to build a better Latveria and he has his own code of conduct. We may not agree with it, but he has one. As opposed to a lot of guys in corporate America or elsewhere who have no particular compass, he has one. Granted it points straight to Hell, but he has a compass. Which of course is where we find him at present. The question is how do we get him out of Hell? What we discover over the course of the book is the hammer has passed through time and space to get here, it momentarily breached the gateway to Hell itself and was able to sort of provide a way for Doom to get out and that's how he became aware of it and why it's important for him to find once he got here. His whole goal is to get his hands on that thing and he thinks he now has the capacity to do something with it.

So, whether you agree with him or not, and I think most people with any sort of conscience do not, he is an honorable guy. He's someone I've always admired as a character throughout the years, from Stan & Jack writing him and thereafter. "

Here's a sneak preview of a knockout panel from Mike McKone

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/FF536012.jpg

[IronSpidy]

Ok thanks. When does FF 536 actually come out? Is that the cocis we find out what FF members die?

[Iron Maiden]

Marvel lists it on their website as shipping for March 29 but
the most accurate source is Diamond Comic Distributor Shipping List (http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping.asp). Sometimes the books ship on a later date but if you see it on Diamond's list, it will be in the stores. It is what is the shop owners should be getting for that week.

[IronSpidy]

So the 29th, geeze thats still a fair way away. When did 535 come out?

[Iron Maiden]

February 22nd.

[IronSpidy]

Once agian thank you. Was that the issue agianst gray Hulk how Jonny went Nova?

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Kurosawa is correct in what he says above.

If it is written that Doom (my hero- but still...) has the same noble heart of Thor or Cap or that Mjolnir wouldn't recognize the taint in his soul... then JMS will have taken another "Sins Past" sized leap away from accurate characterization.

[Malus]

Kurosawa is correct in what he says above.

If it is written that Doom (my hero- but still...) has the same noble heart of Thor or Cap or that Mjolnir wouldn't recognize the taint in his soul... then JMS will have taken another "Sins Past" sized leap away from accurate characterization.

JMS says in an interview over on Newsarama that he's "always admired the character's nobility" which may indicate an essential misunderstanding of Dr. Doom.
Doom is not noble, at least not by any reasonable definition.
Looking around the world today, I think most of us would agree that simply holding a throne or wielding power doesn't qualify one.
But Doom believes he is noble.

Now...will that belief allow him to lift Mjolnir?
If so, things could get very interesting.

[Shadowknight]

re: Mjolnir floating through dimensions pulling Doom out of Hell; Given that, being generous, the death of Ben's body put his soul in Hell, his body would still be stuck in that pocket dimension that Waid had Reed stick him in.

[Ravin' Ray]

You've got a point there, Malus. And, the cover shows a Doom-style gauntlet holding the shaft of Mjolnir, it says nothing about whether the attempt to lift it is successful.

Edit: On second look, pieces of rock are coming off Mjolnir, and it is being lifted after all. Guess Doom's got it all to himself.

[TheSumOfGod]

But Doom believes he is noble.

Now...will that belief allow him to lift Mjolnir?
If so, things could get very interesting.

Doom has infinite, unbreakable willpower. If he truly, sincerely believes that he is noble, then Mjolnir will believe the same.

[3dman27]

Doom has infinite, unbreakable willpower. If he truly, sincerely believes that he is noble, then Mjolnir will believe the same.
and all things considered he probably DOES belive that he's noble

[Geko]

Back to characters dying, you know if it is 2 of the original 4 who die, they'll be back before the FF sequel hits theaters.

[Malus]

Back to characters dying, you know if it is 2 of the original 4 who die, they'll be back before the FF sequel hits theaters.

No, no, no. They're gonna be dead. Irrevocably. They'll probably even replace them in the sequel with whichever characters take their place.
Because they're dead. Forever.
Right?
I mean Joey Q said it in the plainest speak, didn't he?

"Two of the FF die - Gone, goodbye, nevermore."
-Joe Quesada, February, 2006

And he wouldn't mislead us. No.

Two of the FF will be dead. DEAD.

(And no, it can't be the kids, as some have theorized. That's NOT what the man said.)

He said two (2) of the Fantastic Four will be killed:

"Two of the FF die-Gone, goodbye, nevermore."

So no, Geko, I'm afraid you're mistaken. Two of the FF are going to be killed off . Killed without hope of resurrection or undoing.

It's true. Because Marvel would never blatantly lie to readers for the sake of a buck.

They would never do that...

[IronSpidy]

When do we find out'? It better not be Torch...

[Malus]

When do we find out'? It better not be Torch...

It comes out on the 29th. In fact you already commented on that, on march 7th:

So the 29th, geeze thats still a fair way away.

And again, it doesn't matter who they "kill." It will last about as long as Spidey's new costume, or Thor's "death" last year.

It's just B.S. hype to sell comics.:mad:

[IronSpidy]

Malus 29th of this month I take it? Yeah sorry about that I'm kinda confused with all the comic dates. Malus how long do you think they will use Spidys new look? It has to be a year at least??

[Malus]

Malus 29th of this month I take it? Yeah sorry about that I'm kinda confused with all the comic dates. Malus how long do you think they will use Spidys new look? It has to be a year at least??

Yeah, March 29th.
Personally, I don't think the new red & gold look will last six months.
My guess is Peter will hand it back to Tony Stark once they part ways in "Civil War." If that's what happens. But the new look won't last long.
They've got traditional Spidey action figures and other knick knacks to sell.

How long Foggy Nelson will stay "dead" is anyone's guess. All I know is the new creative team on DD lost me with this frst issue. I'm so glad I decided to read through it in the shop before wasting my money on it. I don't usually do that, but I had a feeling...God, can you imagine if Frank Miller would take time to come back for a year or two of DD? Why they can't at least let the great Gene Colan draw the book is beyond me. He ain't the flavor of the week, but he's one of the true Marvel greats and he's still able to turn out beautiful work.
I know, all that's got nothing to do with FF. It's just what I'm p**sed about this week.:mad:

[IronSpidy]

Malus, I dont think Marvel will spend all its time creating Spidys new look then get rid of it within 6 months...

[Malus]

Malus, I dont think Marvel will spend all its time creating Spidys new look then get rid of it within 6 months...

Watch.;)

[IronSpidy]

Marvel has relesed all the covers for June and Iron Spidy has a big pressence in them....He will not go away anytime soon. (I hope)

[Kurosawa]

JMS says in an interview over on Newsarama that he's "always admired the character's nobility" which may indicate an essential misunderstanding of Dr. Doom.
Doom is not noble, at least not by any reasonable definition.
Looking around the world today, I think most of us would agree that simply holding a throne or wielding power doesn't qualify one.
But Doom believes he is noble.

Now...will that belief allow him to lift Mjolnir?
If so, things could get very interesting.

I don't think it could. Mjolnir itself decides who is worthy.

Cap or Black Panther could pick it up, maybe Reed. Although IO think it should be too heavy for a normal strength human to pick up, but Marvel loves to screw Thor over anyway, so.....

Who needs to pick it up is Don Blake.

[Malus]

Who needs to pick it up is Don Blake.
Amen to that.

[Malus]

Marvel has relesed all the covers for June and Iron Spidy has a big pressence in them....He will not go away anytime soon. (I hope)

Take my word for it, he won't be opening any Christmas presents in that get-up.

[IronSpidy]

Ok.


Is there a preview to the March 29th comic yet?

[Iron Maiden]

The "First Looks" usually don't get posted until Wednesday. Usually comicscontinuum and other sites will have them in the afternoon. I know my comic book shop usually gets the ones released by Marvel on that date too, in addition to the scheduled releases.

[IronSpidy]

So do you think tomorow we will get the preview?

[Darth Wolverine]

It says Sue dies, but that it won't tie into the main FF line. All of them appear on the Civil War cover and Sue and Reed are definitely still alive during CW. This is very wrong. You can't kill off a member of the FF and then not have it tie into the main FF ongoing. :confused:

[3dman27]

maybe he means franklin and valeria
remember the safe house they were SUPPOSED to be in was blown up by the ff's enemies maybe reed &sue will use that to reinforce thier cover story by telling the public that they are dead

[euroq]

Here's the preview of FF #536:
http://www.popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=5502

[IronSpidy]

Thanks euroq. Nice looks!

[cart1]

[quote=KingOfDreams]Interesting. I wonder if it's in continuity or not.[/quote
Im confused by this JQ said its in continuity but in the recent JFridays he says its not in Continuity. So are 2 FF going to die or not in regeler continuity

[Malus]

Quote:
Originally Posted by IronSpidy
Marvel has relesed all the covers for June and Iron Spidy has a big pressence in them....He will not go away anytime soon. (I hope)

Take my word for it, he won't be opening any Christmas presents in that get-up.

BUT- I see in the new issue that even though he's wearing his new outfit, he can make it appear as if he's wearing his traditional red-and-blues, or even a venom-like variant. (All just by "thinking" about it.:rolleyes: )
So who knows; they may keep this nonsense going for a while. So I retract my gone-by-December prediction. But only because Spidey will be seen in his traditional suit at times, thus keeping it in front of readers and keeping licensees happy.
Interestingly, the black variant looked a lot like the black suit we've seen on the Spidey 3 teaser poster.

[IronSpidy]

True, true indeed.


So is everyone picking up this issue? I was sad because I didnt see any Torch action. Do you think he will feature in this issue?

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

:eek:

[IronSpidy]

Just 3 more days!!!! Cant wait to pick this up.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

25+3=28

25+4=29

Just four more days!!!! Can't wait to see Doom raped by an inferior author!!

[Iron Maiden]

VictorVonDoomX.... that quote by JMS you have has been "creatively edited". Please remove my name from that because it is NOT in the interview link that I posted.

[IronSpidy]

Well its the 26th where I live...

[Geko]

No, no, no. They're gonna be dead. Irrevocably. They'll probably even replace them in the sequel with whichever characters take their place.
Because they're dead. Forever.
Right?
I mean Joey Q said it in the plainest speak, didn't he?

"Two of the FF die - Gone, goodbye, nevermore."
-Joe Quesada, February, 2006

And he wouldn't mislead us. No.

Two of the FF will be dead. DEAD.

(And no, it can't be the kids, as some have theorized. That's NOT what the man said.)

He said two (2) of the Fantastic Four will be killed:

"Two of the FF die-Gone, goodbye, nevermore."

So no, Geko, I'm afraid you're mistaken. Two of the FF are going to be killed off . Killed without hope of resurrection or undoing.

It's true. Because Marvel would never blatantly lie to readers for the sake of a buck.

They would never do that...

You're right. I'm sorry. Guess I'd better get used to the idea of Fantastic Four 2 Starring Reed Richards, Ben Grim, Wyatt Wingfoot and Herbie the Robot!:eek:

[Ravin' Ray]

It's been a while since we've got news about this ish, but I just checked Marvel's FF page (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?book_title=Fantastic+Four), and presto! it's not listed there (as of April 18). Surely this wasn't an elaborate, protracted April Fool's joke? I admit, it's a long shot, but it kinda leaves me thinking...

Anyway, in other news, if you haven't seen the Storm-Black Panther wedding spread, there's a shot of the guests, and all the FF except for Johnny are there. So he's the one hospitalized in FF#538 then?

[3dman27]

ether that or ie's unavailable due to jury duty

[Ravin' Ray]

Here's that Black Panther #18 variant cover by Frank Cho, courtesy of Newsrama. Johnny come lately?

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Panther/wedding/BLAP018wrapCOV_col.jpg

[kevin00]

I like how Iron Man & Captain America are starring each other down. You're right about Johnny though.

[IronSpidy]

Nice cover but wheres Jonny?

[Dragon]

It is a nice cover. But based on the dimensions, it doesn't look like the entire cover is being shown. So maybe Johnny is elsewhere.

[Kelly]

LMAO....is that Namor starring at Susan...???

[3dman27]

Here's that Black Panther #18 variant cover by Frank Cho, courtesy of Newsrama. Johnny come lately?

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Panther/wedding/BLAP018wrapCOV_col.jpg
isn't beast in a catlike form nowadays?

[Ravin' Ray]

Whew! I missed the boards for a while. Nonetheless, going back to the original topic of this thread...

Previews of FF: Death in the Family, are already out on the Net. I've seen at least three sites with the same first five pages, sans dialog unfortunately. Here's one such peek from The ComicBloc (http://www.comicbloc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=234&Itemid=57).

http://www.comicbloc.com/images/stories/comics/previews/ffDeath/FFDEATH001001_col.jpg

[Malus]

Wow, that looks really good. It recalls some of the Great FF covers of the 60's. I love the use of Kirby krackle in the background, and the shadows on Ben's rocks/plates is perfect. Ben's size is right, too; not over-blown the way they often do these days. And we hardly ever see Johnny half-aflame like this anymore...It allows more emotion to be conveyed, and the flickering flames actually augment that emotion. Looks great.

And it's by Karl Kessel!(why in the world has he never been tapped to be the FF's regular writer?)
I'm definitely looking forward to this.

Just remember Joey Q's words: "Two of the FF will die; Gone forever, no more." :rolleyes:
That obvious line of B.S. is probably all that will hinder my enjoyment of this one.

[Kelly]

The artwork does look good there....keep reminding me that this to shall pass Malus...LOL

[IronSpidy]

So Sue dies who will be the other member?

[Malus]

So Sue dies who will be the other member?
Nobody.
Nobody is really going to die.
There will absolutely be no permanent death of any member of the Fantastic Four in this over-hyped one-shot. I don't care what misleading B.S. Joe Quesada's fed everybody.
No FF member will be dead at the end of this story. You can take that to the bank -and earn interest on it.

Question: What happens when a Marvel character "dies" with an upcoming dentist appointment?
Answer: They reschedule - as soon as they're not "dead" anymore.

[IronSpidy]

Ok thanks M.

[SouLeSS]

Reminds me of the Nightwing issue that was tagged with "IN THIS ISSUE BATMAN DIES!". Just a dream, which is what I'm thinking is going to happen in this one-shot.

[IronSpidy]

Yes, I dont think they will become the Fantastic 2....

[XwolverineX]

Somethin' was really confusing about the preview of the one shot. It is in continuity, right? But in the preview it shows Johhny, in perfect health, when right now (Spoilers for Civil War) He is in the hospital. So, I have no idea what's going on with this one-shot. :confused:

[regalredstar]

from what I can see on marvel's website it looks lik death in the family is going to be a spinoff series

[ben_reilly_s_s]

But the solicits also say that Doom is "reborn"..... maybe he had an epiphany or something while trapped between dimensions. :)

Last issue i read was where Franklin and Valeria go off to ho knows where in a rocket.

Back on topic, if there is still gonna be a FF as idiot boy JQ says, and if as you say Doom is now good, what if he becomes a member of the FF?

Reed
Ben
Victor
?????
who would be the last member?

[Kelly]

Nobody.
Nobody is really going to die.
There will absolutely be no permanent death of any member of the Fantastic Four in this over-hyped one-shot. I don't care what misleading B.S. Joe Quesada's fed everybody.
No FF member will be dead at the end of this story. You can take that to the bank -and earn interest on it.

Question: What happens when a Marvel character "dies" with an upcoming dentist appointment?
Answer: They reschedule - as soon as they're not "dead" anymore.


Keep preachin it....keep preachin it....lol

[SouLeSS]

Last issue i read was where Franklin and Valeria go off to ho knows where in a rocket.

Back on topic, if there is still gonna be a FF as idiot boy JQ says, and if as you say Doom is now good, what if he becomes a member of the FF?

Reed
Ben
Victor
?????
who would be the last member?

Black Panther.

[Soonerfan]

first off i'd just like to say hey to everyone. now that that's out of the way, i'd like to know why everyone assumes that's Susan's the one who is going to pass on? It's only my opnion, but you'd think that marvel wouldn't get rid of the most powerful member of the team. why can't it be Reed and Johnny, or Johnny and Ben, or Reed and Ben?

[Soonerfan]

I hope your right JMAfan. It's hard to believe that Mr. Quesada, who if i'm not mistaken said that while he's on watch there'd be no divorce in the M.U., would kill either one or both parents of two children. If this happens then what would be the point of making such a statement, after all isn't death worse than a divorce?

[gerbstat]

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[rnewbz]

she died

[Kelly]

I hope your right JMAfan. It's hard to believe that Mr. Quesada, who if i'm not mistaken said that while he's on watch there'd be no divorce in the M.U., would kill either one or both parents of two children. If this happens then what would be the point of making such a statement, after all isn't death worse than a divorce?

I don't know, but if the deaths are permanent, they've lost a new fan...:o

[Iron Maiden]

Hmm....what ever happened to Lyja?

Contrary to rumors to her demise, Lyja is alive and well in Tom DeFalco's MC2 universe that features Spider-Girl. She is a member of the future version of the FF called the Fantastic Five and is married to Johnny and they have a child with the Torch's powers if I recall. She just popped up in that comic last year as a matter of fact and I think she may be in the the upcoming "Last Man Standing" by DeFalco.

In the current continuity, she had a reconciliation with Johnny just before the last battle with Onslaught. When it appeared that all the heroes died in that battle, she told Nathaniel that she would find her own way in the world, turned into her human disguise and was never seen again. There was speculation that she was the one that helps Johnny back in FF#2 volume 3 when he was in the caverns of the Mole Man's kingdom but since Scott Lobdell left the title shortly after, we never found out who that shadowy figure was.