“Destroyer (Part 2)" Talkback/Discussion

[Red]

Wooo!

[Red]

REview up soon.

[Ixion]

I thought this was a really really good episode and a fitting one for this whole animated universe to go out on. Nothing profound, deeply moving, no real resolution to relationships, but just good entertainment with some fantastic moments from so many characters.

Its hard to top Flash fighting Brainiac/Luthor, but I thought Superman standing up to Darkseid and saying hes going to show just how powerful he can be was really cool and one of the best moments in JLU.

Superman: "But you can take it, can't you big guy. So now we have a rare opportunity for me to cut loose, and show just how powerful I can be..."

Of course it didn't last, but it would have been silly if Superman had physically defeated an uber-Darkseid.

Batman had some great moments too, saving Luthor, saying how a gun isn't his style, continually going after Darkseid despite being outclassed, avoiding the Omega Beams (which is silly really, but it worked well), and having the final shot be of him running into the screen. It was nice to see he and Superman fighting alongside each other in the final episode too, very fitting.

The return of J'onn, awesome. Anti-life equation and the source wall, great. Flash and GL teaming up again was cool. And Luthor was just great through the whole episode, he, Superman and Batman were really the stars of the show, its a shame Joker could have been part of it too. The ending was nice too, its not the end of things, the fight continues and the League will continue to save the world, "the adventure continues", some people may demand closure to particular relationships etc but I liked it ending that way. I just really liked the whole episode. :up:

[Fuzzy Dude Fan]

The thing that made me smile the most about this episode was the fact that J'onn came back! And J'onn had a girlfriend! Awwww! Flash's comment about it made me chuckle! OOOH, and Flash got a kiss from Giganta!

I will really miss this show. I liked that it was had a good finish, but it still left the door open for a lot more. Too bad we won't get it, but there's always the slight hope of DTV's. Lex's comment about his power suit was just so funny. This show is honestly one of the best shows on television. It's not often I get up and miss my Saturday lie-in just to watch a television show. Apart from 24 and Lost, I wouldn't do it for any other show. Smallville wishes it was this good. (Although, Rosenbaum rocks in both shows :D) A big thanks to everyone ever involved with a DCAU cartoon. I've grown up with these guys, and it's sad to see them go but at least they got a good send off.

[November Rain]

i'm subscribing to this bad boy, i can't wait...

[Red]

The best line was definately Supes' saying "It's Lex Flippin' Luthor"!

[krisboyuk]

Supes going 'all out' simply kicked my ass!

[union_jak]

I'm not quite clear on something... So the only survivors of the Legion's base explosion were those few who fought in the episode then? Does that mean that the amount of villains were reduced drastically? Can anyone list who were members before and after Darkseid popped up?

It was a great episode, a nice (final) chance to see the Leaguers do their stuff. Were there any notable missing members? I know The Huntress never appeared, and obviously neither did Supergirl .

[Dark Carnage]

I know The Huntress never appeared, and obviously neither did Supergirl .
Well she didn't need to, she'd have read in the history books that Darksied was neutralized without her.

I liked this episode, and it does feel very final. And if it isn't, how do they go about topping it?

[Red]

The Huntress isn't in the league any more

I though Question kicked ass in this episode even though he said nothing.

[union_jak]

The Huntress isn't in the league any more


Neither is J'onn J'onzz or Hawkman, I just thought it would have been nice to see the Black Canary fighting side by side with the Huntress, as friends, as a sort of beginning of the Birds of Prey. I don't think any superhero would really sit by because they weren't part of the Justice League!

[krisboyuk]

Did anyone notice Galactus in the source wall?

[Dark Carnage]

I thought that might be him.

[Hush]

We need Screen Captures!!!! For us Americans!!!!!

[Red]

Did anyone notice Galactus in the source wall?

Yeah i saw that too.

[BH/HHH]

What an episode. If that is the end of JLU then at least it went out with a bang, it was great to see Superman at his best too.

[Lightspeed]

Pics here

Took it down, sorry.

[Dark Carnage]

Fapomatic? Are you nuts?

I'd take it down if I were you, you might get banned for linking to a site containing nudity.

[zanos]

Darkseid, Superman showdowns no matter how good have gotten so repetitive. I'm glad this was the last season. Alot of the episodes this season felt very rushed including the finale. Hopefully Timm and Dini can move on to bigger and better cartoons preferably with only one hero like Spider-man

[JekzStar]

Personally i hope this isn't the end of JLU.

I think Warners would be dumb to end it people Superman Returns isn't far away and Batman's Back and looks like a Flash and WonderWoman movie isn't far off why pull it.

It would be far cheaper to cotuine the show for more kids to know of these heros.

If they

[user123456789]

This episode was the JLU series finale?

[Red]

Looks that way.

[Binker]

REVIEW:
This is it! The second part of the two part finale, the last one. Just like Part 1 before it:

THIS IS SPOILER FILLED.

I'LL TRY TO LIMIT IT BUT YOU WILL BE SPOILED.

IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT, GET OUT!!!!!!!

OTHERWISE, YOU ARE HERE AT YOUR OWN RISK!

AND LET'S FACE IT, FOR THIS EPISODE I'AM NOT HOLDING BACK.

SO BE WARNED!

Alright? Let's go....

Superman has no choice but to believe Luthor saying Darkseid has returned. He explians that he and the ones who survived were thanks to Sinestro and Lightray from New Genesis. Before the JLU can put the villians into holdign cells, Boom Tubes start to appear on Earth and Darkseid's army comes to attack every city on the planet. Both the JLU and Legion have no choice but to work together, with the deal that everyone will go back to regular business once its done. With that, every JLU member and Legion member go into action.

Superman, Batman & Luthor go to the most protective mothership that is hovering above the Daily Planet. Where Darkseid is. Once they take out the monsters, Darkseid appears saying that they're actions will cause every life, then he says "let's go". Luthor is thrown off by Darkseid and Batman saves him, with just Superman and Darkseid on top. Darkseid throws the globe of the Daily Planet at him, exploding the building in the process. Its revealed that the ships are carrying drills to go down to the Earth's core. Making Earth another Apokolips.

Superman & Batman & Luthor help each other defeat Darkseid. While Batman and Luthor fight the monsters, Superman delivers a right clock to Darkseid's face. An old man leaves his wife helps Wonder Woman while she is against it. Until the old man morphs into a dragon and then back into his own form: J'onn J'onzz aka Martian Manhunter.

Batman helps Superman but once he and Luthor are gone somewhere, Darkseid beats Superman to the ground. Then holds him up and slams his back on to his knee. All in a while, Metron has been watching the fight. Luthor demans him to help and says theres only one way and takes Luthor with him. The World's Finest still help each other, using better actions to beat Darkseid without him knowing. Then Superman explains that he's been holding back the whole time and wants to show him how powerful he really is; and he punches Darkseid, throwing him away to the middle of the city. Catches him again and throws him to the streets.

Then Darkseid throws to Superman the agony matrix, which gives Superman unlimited pain. All seems lost until Luthor returns to give Darkseid something: the anti-life equation. Once he and Luthor holds it, its waves erupt from the area and spreads. Superman and Batman leave then the area explodes. Luthor and Darkseid are gone.

News spreads of Darkseid's defeat. Superman thinks Luthor is dead but Batman doesn't believe so. The rest of the league agrees as this has happened before. The villians argue that even as they helped them, they're still going to jail. Superman and Batman smile and give them a 5-minute head start.

With Wonder Woman says "the adventure continues", the heroes run towards the camera.

THE END

I'm gonna cry, this was a great ending. Even the last five minutes and its music add that to me to shed tears. The DCAU....no, TB and TT are DCAU also so the Timmverse has ended.

The ultimate battle between good and evil continued here as Legion helped the heroes and vice versa. At first, I thought this was going to be an un-holy alliance but it wasn't. Its obivious on the heroes helpign the villians but once a hero got hurt, the villian saved them. That was a surprise.

The REAL stars was the World's Finest; Superman & Batman. Since the whole Timmverse started with Batman: The Animated Series and Superman: The Animated Series, it seemed right to give them the final episode to start in the most. Last season's finale had the ending give to the 7 main League members to end their show, plus they had the great Flash/Brainiac fight. But even that didn't feel like "the end" to me, this was perfect.

This episode had the best moments in JLU. From Superman showing how powerful he was to Darkseid to Luthor's scenes at the end. I thought this was going to add some more to a finale but it didn't. There was no conclusions to the relationships, but it was still deeply moving.

It would've been stupid if the fight between Superman and Darkseid was quick and easy. Good thing it wasn't. Timm's Superman is Byrne's Post-Crisis Superman, not the Pre-Crisis over powered version. Batman had some great moments too. Him saying about havign a gun isn't his style is of course him, but I felt this was also due to the actions Deadman did to him in Dead Reckoning. Not much though, my thoughts go there.

The return of J'onn, that was expected. Either he was going to be in the fights or seen from the sidelines. Either way, him in the last episode had to happen because...it had to.

Well thats the good things, the rest is so-so. Because this was just another episode, it didn't feel like a finale. Darkseid at first seem great for the end, but later on it seemed like what was the point? Sometimes while it was nice to get another season, I felt it shouldv'e ended with last one's. That was a "the end". Of course, its my opinion. Epilogue is the true finale to the timmverse.

In closing, this episode closes the door on the Timmverse. I'll miss it, and even others will. While I still like TB, it still has ways to go coming from the restricitions it has as a kid's show. But it exists today because a WB exec asked a Tiny Toons animator named Bruce Timm if he wanted to do Batman.

It led to the great BTAS. Then they returned for STAS. And there wasn't actually a Timmverse until Batman appeared in STAS leading to TNBA. Then the future came into the DCAU with Batman Beyond. Then back with Justice League and finally Justice League Unlimited.

16 years of greatness.

Now, this is the end. We'll miss you.

RATING: 7.9/10

As a special bonus, I did a tribute music video of the DCAU. Its for fans who feel sad of the end of it all. This music video and its feelings is what everyone else feels right now after hearing about this episode.

Enjoy.

http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1MIEC6MIOHK9X11LK3EQNVFHOR

[Tamanon]

I loved this episode. It wasn't as emotional or poignant as Epilogue was, but it really was a fitting end to Superman's mythos.

Plus, seeing him just go all out and show how insanely powerful he is when not held in check was just fun as hell.

[droogiedroogie2]

Well she didn't need to, she'd have read in the history books that Darksied was neutralized without her.

I liked this episode, and it does feel very final. And if it isn't, how do they go about topping it?See, that's the problem here. The episode doesn't feel final at all to me. It feels almost final but not quite. It feels like there's gonna be another Timmverse series, but we know there won't be. It feels like maybe the JLU comic will continue on, but I'm sure it will finish up as well without a cartoon to support it. Lex Luthor and Darkseid "aren't dead yet," and we all know Brainiac hasn't been annhiliated either. The League is stronger than ever, and they're chasing the Legion of Doom across the globe. It feels like we're supposed to see these people in action again, dammit!

On the other hand, if God intervenes and we do get another season of JLU, this episode really can't be topped. There was this apocalyptic final battle that I think we all looked forward to more than any other season finale except maybe season 4's. There was so much in this episode that felt like, "hey, we're about to go away now, so let's show the entire DCAU in action one last time, because this is their last chance to make you love them."

It was an almost-heartfelt goodbye that had way too many "but just in case I can't find work somewhere else, I might come back and do more DC shows" escape routes in it. While I'm not happy to see Justice League go, they could have let it go out with all the dignity it deserved, rather than smiling coyly and hinting that it might stick around. This series deserved a proper ending, and even if it comes back again, it can never really have one because they've already played that card.

[droogiedroogie2]

Heroes I really wish would have gotten cameos in the finale:

Huntress (like somebody said, she's gonna sit it out because she's on the wrong team?)
Supergirl (like somebody else said, she's gonna sit it out just because she knows how it ends?)
Duck Dodgers (OK, that was a joke.)
Nightwing, Robin, and Batgirl (fcck the Bat-embargo. we got a wordless cameo from Nightwing in a previous episode, but we can't have a quick shot of these three, maybe with Bullock, Montoya, and the Commissioner, doing battle with parademons?
Vibe
Blue Beetle
Booster Gold
Speedy
Deadman
Phantom Stranger
Dr. Fate
Dr. Occult
Etrigan
Zauriel
Any other heroes that have appeared before in the show or the comic but didn't appear in this episode.

If they actually were in the episode, and I just didn't see it, call bullsht on me and tell me when they showed up.

[jaydawg]

Good episode, but hardly great. I'd have to say this was one of Darkseid's more weak apperances. Its great that they left it open ended, but honestly, it didnt leave me feeling as amazed or stunned as Divided We Fall. Everything just really felt rushed to me. You could tell from the get go that this finale needed to be three parts. Since WB was forcing 13 eps per season, they should have just not done "Far from Home." That episode was of season one quality and should have ditched it from the get go. I loved that Supes punch, but two punches and that was it? Come on. Darkseid usually beats the crap out of Supes, but now, when Darkseid is Brainiac powered, they do this. Thats just bull****.

The best part of the episode, though, was the little things. That Brave and the Bold moment, with the catapult, was priceless. Jonn's return actually caught me by surprise. I knew he'd come back, but I had no idea that he was the elderly chinese man. When he turned into the dragon.... god that was awesome. Question punching that paragon was fantastic. I really loved the scene where Stargirl and STRIPE are suiting up. And lets not forget "Don't you have a building to jump?"

Overall I'd give this a 7.5. Hardly one of the DCAU's finest, but alot of great moments too. It really needed to be three parts. Last season had a four part finale...so why did they decide to cut that in half? JLU may not have went out with a whimper (Teen Titans anyone?), but it wasnt really much of a bang either. I'm not saying JLU should have ended last season, but maybe ending this season is for the best. "Flash and Substance," "The Great Brain Robbery," "Grudge Match," "Patriot Act" and "Shadow of the Hawk" were some of my favorite JLU episodes ever, but I think it is time to let go. "Far from Home" proved that even the greatest of writers can lose their skills after writing certain characters for over ten years. Plus its not like this is the final story in the DCAU. Brainiac attacks is still coming. And for all we know, "Worlds Collide" could still happen. I hope it does too, cause I have a feeling Johnny Quick is going to be the Timmverse version of Prof. Zoom and I'd love to see Johns progression post-Shayera. But I digress.

A slightly better than average finale for a slightly better than phenominal show. Farewell DCAU. The Batman can't hold a candle to you.

[Binker]

People seem to forget that this isn't the finale, Epilogue is.

[Knives122]

which means we should go watch Epilogue again or better yet go watch BBeyond and ROTJ and then epilogue, that way we'll have the real finale

[droogiedroogie2]

People seem to forget that this isn't the finale, Epilogue is.Epilogue is the final story in terms of continuity. But Destroyer is the final TV episode of any DCAU show, as far as we know. That makes it the finale of both JLU and the DCAU.

[sinsio]

It seems like the entire third season of JLU has simply been one long fanservice filled with mediocre plotlines and plenty of comic book sourcing and homages. Luckily, Destroyer's storyline has some legs of is own which bring JLU to a open-ended yet somehow satisfying conclusion. Of course, there is still plenty of fanservice that is easily written off as cornball or cliched by the casual viewer. To the delight of DC fans everywhere, each JL member gets a moment to shine with either a 3 second display of their powers or in the "running off into the sunset" sequence at the end. Personally, I find the DC villains to be far more interesting than the heroes. I think the reason the finale works as well as it does is because it features the two remaining top villains of the series: Darkseid and Lex Luthor. Pit the two against each other and you have an minimum B rating for the episode. Throw in a Superman meets DBZ moment (I've been holding back, here's my real power, send opponent flying, teleport in front of flying foe and smash into the ground), DCAU-obligatory Superman torture scene, superhero&supervillain teamup, not to mention a completely hardcore Wonder Woman and you have quite the JLU series finale. What keeps this finale from being truly great is the times when fanservice such as the inclusion of Hawkman stick out like a sore thumb.

A- for the series finale Destroyer. B- for JLU season 3 as a whole.



-"Overly Windy" Sinsio

[FCEEVIPER]

Great episode, 9/10.

I love the part where Supes grew a pair...finally! :D


I feel JLU does has one more season in it, but not a seventh. IMO

[Spidey-Bat]

I thought it was good, but still left a lot to be desired as far as DCAU finale goes. I wish this was an hour so there was some time for the JLU to prep the invasion. I would have liked to see Captain Marvel appear and team upw w/ Supes against Darkseid (Darkseid ofcourse having the upper hand since both hold back). And what REALLY pissed me off is no Orion, Highfather, or any events on New Genesis. Didn't Darkseid say he'd go there before Earth?

[Spider-Fan]

Should have been a 3 part episode, but it was a satisfactory ending to the show.

[Knives122]

More like 4 parter(this entire thing should've been on the Star Crossed scale)

but we ended up getting the rushed thing that WB loves doing to it's shows. Good episode, bad timing

[AmazinUncleBen]

I agree with Knives, they could have spent an entire episode on New Genesis alone. I couldn't believe they spent an entire episode building up the return of Darkseid to then end the apocalyptic battle for Earth in less than 20 minutes.

[Spidey-Bat]

It was pretty stupid. It was basically:

Lex: We have a little problem. I tried to bring back Braniac but ended up bringing back Darkseid.
(Boom Tubes appear unleashing Darkseid's army).
Lex: Speak of the devil.

I just had a thought, could this event be the Apocalpyse of 09 as mentioned in Beyond?

[LostSon88]

I just saw the episode.

Incredible finale...exactly what I wanted--an all out war to save the planet.

Gave me goosebumps:

-Watching the JLU teleport and one by one/pairs, suiting up, etc. (music during that scene was great)
-Watching Supes Bats & Luthor fighting side by side :eek:
-The montages of the JLU & the Legion working together
-J'onn making his return (never saw it coming...seriously.)
-Bats trying to fight Darkseid despite the disadvantage.
-The end scene w/ the heroes running towards the screen.

Best dialogue:

-Bats & Supes & WW at the end
-Supes telling Darkseid that Batman will never quit so long as theirs a breath in his body...as will his teammates.

Amazing. I can't believe its over. :(

F*** YOU CARTOON NETWORK!!! :mad:

[arty2]

This can't be the end, this just can't (I'm in denial) :( Farewell Justice League. God this awful. Never felt so F$@#ing angry in my life.

Best moments:

All the heroes getting ready.

Darkseid "Let's Go"

Darkseid "Impressive, no one has ever avoided my Omega Beam" - That's F^@$ing Batman for ya

The catapult.

John's big reveal.

Superman "That man (Batman) won't quit as long as he can still draw a breath, none of my teammates will. Me? I got a different problem"

Superman "What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I really am!" BAM!!! (Matrix Revolutions style)

Lex's "Power suit"

Batman (smiling??? wtf) "five minute head start"

Batman "don't you have a tall building to go leap?"

Now, what to do during Cartoon Network's presentation/booth during the San Diego comicon this July. hmm what to do?? what to do???? Any ideas?????????

Oh what this episode could have been had it been a three of four parter. 30 mins can't do justice to these stories. I propose direct-to-video super epic 90 min movies, let loose Timm and company, make it PG-13, give us some more ass-kicking! PLEASE!!!!!!!

[FCEEVIPER]

Yeah!!!...



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[LostSon88]

Now, what to do during Cartoon Network's presentation/booth during the San Diego comicon this July. hmm what to do?? what to do???? Any ideas?????????

I've got a few ideas...but if I told ya' what they were, i'd probably get banned. ;)

:p

[SolidRoar]

This CAN'T be the last of JLU! It just CAN'T!!!!! :confused:

[Avalanche]

*grumbles*

Can't find myself a bloody torrent.

Meh, if I was back home where Sky is I'd have seen it. I only have terrestrial in uni.

[Mister J]

It's a shame that such a quality series is very likely to be over. I certainly could go for a final season to wrap up some existing storylines. Nothing major, just a final sense of closure.

With that said, I liked this episode. As mentioned, all the obligatory elements were there; super-villain team up, J'onn appearing; Superman/Darkseid battle, etc. I would have preferred to see more of Superman 'cutting loose' but that's me being greedy. Seeing the way it ended with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman was just how it should have gone out.

There were some minor omission/oversights, but they pale in comparison.

Again, it's sad to see it (likely) come to an end, but it's been a damn good run. I salute everyone associated with the Timm/Dini-verse.

[SolidRoar]

Man, it almost felt like a CRISIS episode!

Let's hope we at least get direct-to-video movies after this.

Anyway, I just posted this on the Marvel forums. Why are the producers allowed to get away with many Marvel nods in the Justice League series? They had to include one even in the last episode:
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[Red]

Hey remember guys the DCAU isn't over theirs still Brainiac Attacks.

[Mister J]

Anyway, I just posted this on the Marvel forums. Why are the producers allowed to get away with many Marvel nods in the Justice League series? They had to include one even in the last episode:

There was more than one Marvel nod. In addition to the Captain America reference alluded to above, when Ice is about to be teleported out, she does the same 'transformation' to change into costume that Iceman did in the old 'Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends' show.

I liked it. Besides, there's not anything Marvel could do. It's not like DC infringed a Marvel character or something. DC and Marvel do these types of things all the time. How many Superman references have there been in the Spidey films?

[November Rain]

does anyone get their costume messed up in this fight...

i hate it when a big fight happens and everyone is looking like nothing has really happened

[Knives122]

I think Supes' suit got messed up, but not to the point of how it was in Supes v. Darkseid in STAS(the last ep).

And I liked the Capt. America thing they did, besides it's not like they did anything wrong. The even had Galactus in the Source Wall

[BH/HHH]

Superman's suit was messed up but not to the extent that it was when he faced Doomsday.

[dcbmp]

Timm REALLY needs to do a PG-13 direct to DVD version of JLU. Sort of like Marvel's doing with "Ultimate Avengers"(anyone getting the DVD?).

[Spidey-Bat]

They should do a PG-13 DTV movie tying JLU to the JLU in Beyond. Have John and Shayera get married and have Rex, Superman still running the League even after most members have left, Batman creates his Beyond suit, etc.

[Binker]

I wanted to happen in this. Or in an ultimate ending sequence.

[Dark Carnage]

See, that's the problem here. The episode doesn't feel final at all to me. It feels almost final but not quite.
I agree, by very final I was about the very final sequence of the heroes running down the stair. That seemed very, "this was as powerful as the bad guys going to get, so here's one last look at your heroes."

And where the hell was Amazo? Not only has he been missing since disappearing to the problem of defeating Grundy, but this was a huge battle that he could have been a major help. Superman and Amazo could have whooped Darkseid in a few moments.

[user123456789]

I just finished watching this episode, and DAMN... SUPES OPENED UP A CAN OF WHOOP ASS ON DOOMSDAY.

too bad lex was the one that saved the day. sort of anti-climatic after supes' battle.

and bats :up:, never gives up.

[Mister J]

What Supes said leading up to him cutting loose was awesome.

[user123456789]

What Supes said leading up to him cutting loose was awesome.

sort of makes you wonder what supes true potential is ^^

[Mister J]

sort of makes you wonder what supes true potential is ^^

It's one of the only things about the series that ticked me off. He was always so de-powered. OK, post-Crisis Superman, I get it, but come on. We finally get Supes moving toward his potential and it's game over. Well, at least we got to see it.

[LostSon88]

too bad lex was the one that saved the day.

Could somebody explain to me what that was exactly? I'm not actually up to date w/ this season due to the constant schedule shuffling and the long hiatus so could someone explain to me what that thing was that Lex had in his hand and what exactly did it do to Darkseid & Lex? Because...I didn't get it. :confused:

[user123456789]

Could somebody explain to me what that was exactly? I'm not actually up to date w/ this season due to the constant schedule shuffling so could someone explain to me what that thing was that Lex had in his hand and what exactly did it do to Darkseid & Lex? Because...I didn't get it. :confused:

lol same here. wtf is the anti-life equation?

[user123456789]

It's one of the only things about the series that ticked me off. He was always so de-powered. OK, post-Crisis Superman, I get it, but come on. We finally get Supes moving toward his potential and it's game over. Well, at least we got to see it.

i got pissed off with the de-powered thing too. i mean, its fun for awhile on the Superman:TAS, but come on.. HE'S SUPERMAN!

and same with JLU, it seemed like his powers were on-par with most of the league.

[Mister J]

Could somebody explain to me what that was exactly? I'm not actually up to date w/ this season due to the constant schedule shuffling so could someone explain to me what that thing was that Lex had in his hand and what exactly did it do to Darkseid & Lex? Because...I didn't get it. :confused:

It's the Anti-Life Equation. Darkseid has always been preoccupied with finding it. It's been referred to as many things over time, depending on who's writing. However, it usually involves something along the lines of being able to dominate free will/will power or an entity's subconscious. It's fairly vague.

As it was shown in JLU, I imagine comprehending the equation sent Darkseid and Lex to another realm of consciousness. That's why Batman and the others doubted either was dead. That's just my guess though. There are probably others who have different opinions or more accurate interpretations of the ALE.

[LostSon88]

Thanks, Mister J. :)

So its like becoming "one with the force"?

[user123456789]

ya know, when hawkgirl got hit by the spear, i think thats the first time i've actually seen her get hurt, lol.

[Mister J]

Thanks, Mister J. :)

So its like becoming "one with the force"?

I guess you could interpret it that way, if you mean being able to comprehend something outside of the standard realm (w/o dying). It's definately a high-level form of knowledge/sentient life. It's just never been that specifically defined.

I found this link over at Wiki, it gives a pretty decent analysis. It'll certainly give you more perspective than I can:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Life_Equation

[Mister J]

ya know, when hawkgirl got hit by the spear, i think thats the first time i've actually seen her get hurt, lol.

I was surprised how painful it was. Initially, I thought it was in her back, but it appeared to be just the wing. I'm sure it was a good cause for pain, but I didn't imagine to that level. Damn Thanagarian physiology.

[user123456789]

I was surprised how painful it was. Initially, I thought it was in her back, but it appeared to be just the wing. I'm sure it was a good cause for pain, but I didn't imagine to that level. Damn Thanagarian physiology.

wat are hawkgirls powers?:up:

[LostSon88]

I actually thought they were going to kill her off when she was being shocked...the music and the mood was just screaming for it.

Oh, and thanks again Mister J for the wiki article--I'm still confused as hell but thanks :up:

[Mister J]

wat are hawkgirls powers?:up:

I can't be too precise, 'cause there are different incarnations of the characters. Based off what I know, she has a belt made of Nth Metal that allows her to fly. The wings are artificial and allow her to control flight. She's a hellacious fighter and has increased strength. The energy mace she carries is amde of Nth Metal too and it disrupts magic.

The character on the show doesn't seem to need a belt to fly. I'm guessing that's why her wing was able to be hurt like that. it's not artificial.

[Mister J]

Oh, and thanks again Mister J for the wiki article--I'm still confused as hell but thanks :up:

I'm confused as hell and I've known about the stupid thing for years now.

[LostSon88]

Perhaps its something they can elaborate on in a DVD Film...otherwise that ending IMHO should be taken as a cop-out.

"They'll be back." Hawkgirl?

"And we'll be ready." J'onn

[user123456789]

I actually thought they were going to kill her off when she was being shocked...the music and the mood was just screaming for it.

Oh, and thanks again Mister J for the wiki article--I'm still confused as hell but thanks :up:

ditto.

[Mister J]

The ending does kinda suck. I wanted perfect closure, but I'm admittedly greedy. I'm guessing they wanted to leave the door open somewhat in case they managed to get another season. That and they needed to wrap things up pretty quickly with the studio being pricks and all. A 3 or 4-parter would have been fantastic for the finale.

I am hoping for a DTV at some point though.

[user123456789]

'what we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose.. and show you just how powerful i really am'

am i alone here when i thought supes cocked his punch, that darkseid was gonna stop it like nothing? lol... supes woulda been SCREWED.


also, wats up with jon? how come diana was so surprised to see him?

[LostSon88]

also, wats up with jon? how come diana was so surprised to see him?

Last we saw J'onn was back in episode 4 (in real time, back in September) when he decided to leave the JLU...it was a nice surprise to not only Diana, but me as well. :D

[user123456789]

why'd he leave?

[Mister J]

He felt he needed to understand humanity better in order to protect them, so he left to live amongst them. Of course when he left, it was in the form of John Jones, not an Asian man.

[LostSon88]

In episode 4 he had develped some very bitter feelings towards human beings...part of the reason why he wanted to remain in the Watchtower playing moderator, he grew disgusted of human kind.

It wasn't until Diana (I think) or someone of the original 7 told him not to judge human beings so quickly that J'onn decided to leave the JLU and go on a quest to better understand humanity.

EDIT: Speaking of J'onn, was he voiced by someone else in Destroyer? The voice seemed off.

[user123456789]

In episode 4 he had develped some very bitter feelings towards human beings...part of the reason why he wanted to remain in the Watchtower playing moderator, he grew disgusted of human kind.

It wasn't until Diana (I think) or someone of the original 7 told him not to judge human beings so quickly that J'onn decided to leave the JLU and go on a quest to better understand humanity.

EDIT: Speaking of J'onn, was he voiced by someone else in Destroyer? The voice seemed off.

sounded like the same guy to me.

i'd IMDB it but, i dont trust them

[Mister J]

J'onn and Flash seemed a bit off to me, though J'onn' s was much more pronounced.

[LostSon88]

See, Flash was off, but you could tell it was Michael Rosembaum. J'onn, though sounded like a completely different person--at least to me.

[Mister J]

See, Flash was off, but you could tell it was Michael Rosembaum. J'onn, though sounded like a completely different person--at least to me.

True. I didn't pick up on Flash until the end of the ep. J'onn seemed off from the jump. Maybe it was because I hadn't heard his voice in awhile. I should check out an old ep and compare.

[AmazinUncleBen]

No he was credited as the same guy. I thought he sounded very different towards the end as did Flash, but when he made his initial (and only) comment to Diana he sounded like himself. You could argue that because he was with humanity for so long even his voice changed to sound more human than before his little journey.

[Czar Colossus]

I just saw the episode; I loved it. I thought that this episode was to Superman what "Divided We Fall" was to Flash!
The ending made me feel that I can't wait to see what happened to Lex and Darkseid. So I'm praying that this isn't it for J.L.U.
My only complaint........
where was Captain Marvel?!!!!!! (He definately deserved a cameo, especially with a threat of this magnitude.) It was great to see Blue Devil though and with dialogue too!

[The Batman]

Wow...so i just saw this ep on youtube(I live in america, mind you)......

And it was pretty good. I squeeled when Supes went balistic on Darkseid. And Batman dodging the omega beams was awesome, and his acrobatics was great as well. Everyone getting their due somehow was great as well. Question running over people was funny. And lex finally got what he wanted. Either that, or he and darkseid are dead

Man, I'm gonna miss this show.

[Tamanon]

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7472/supes1wi.gif

Just found this on another board, awesome:up:

[November Rain]

that is simply awesome

[ToddIsDead]

I think this episode is up there with Divided we Fall and some of the other classic DCAU episodes.

[Pksoze]

I think this episode is up there with Divided we Fall and some of the other classic DCAU episodes.


I think its good but I thought Alive was better.

[Red]

Divided we Fall was much better

[Hush]

Can we get some screen captures!?!?!?!?

[Cryostar1177]

Ask and you shall receive...actually I have more, but I ran out of space....

You can see the images over at fanforum.net if you'd like in their cartoons board.

http://home.earthlink.net/~gmcgrath01/JLU/

Here's a teaser or two

http://home.earthlink.net/~gmcgrath01/JLU/Justice%20League%20Unlimited%20-%20513%20-%20Destroyer045.JPG

http://home.earthlink.net/~gmcgrath01/JLU/Justice%20League%20Unlimited%20-%20513%20-%20Destroyer090.JPG

[Hush]

Nice thank you so much!!!

[Spider-Gamer]

Nice thank you so much!!!
I have to agree! :up:

[Hush]

I cant wait for this 2 part Finale after seeing those caps.!!! YOu have almost made my day. Came close but just didnt pull it off. Lol

[Cryostar1177]

Well, if I could find a way to post all 100+ screencaps that I made, maybe that'd make you feel better. :P

Honestly though, I thought if they'd take less time with the re-introduction/calling of all the JLU members, the episode could have been better.

I've also heard rumors that the studio that brought us the JLU is going to bringing us the Legion of Superheroes next. Just a rumor, though.

[Red]

Bruce Timm pretty much comfirmed Legion of Superheroes in an interview.

[supes_el]

It's one of the only things about the series that ticked me off. He was always so de-powered. OK, post-Crisis Superman, I get it, but come on. We finally get Supes moving toward his potential and it's game over. Well, at least we got to see it.


Although I humbly LOVED the show I agree. The only thing that bothered me was how watered down Supes was. I'm glad they finally SAID he was watered down. Diana saying "and the adventure continues" at the end rocked.

The Trinity running down the stairs with BATS leading rocked (although I would have it be :supes:).

My only gripe about this phenomenal episode was THERE WAS NO AQUAMAN! Damnit! He was original 5!

I just wanted a few frames of him and some whales kicking the para demons ass. Nothing more than that would have made me happy :)

[Cryostar1177]

There are a few others that they missed as well...Aquaman was original five, but Red Tornado, Atom Smasher, Nightwing, Cyborg, Orion (don't tell me apokolyps is attacking and he's not wanting a fight). What about all of the amazons? Would have been nice to see Dr. Light, Dr. Zoom, some of the other secret society members kicking some major a$$ too.

And let's face it....Bats is the man....we know we like to think that Sups is it....but in any elseworld series were Sups has to be put down...who does it, Bats. I honestly believe that no one can stop the man, so long as he has time to prepare.

[Red]

Cyborg's rights are tied up with Teen Titans

[Red]

Cyborg's rights are tied up with Teen Titans.

[The Sage]

Well, the circle is complete. Thank you Bruce Timm, thank you Paul Dini. My childhood wouldn't have been the same without your work. You guys educated me in the comicbook universe and lead to me reading them on my own.

My childhood truly is over now. I'm finished with the modern cartoons. Gonna collect the old stuff. I hope they release a DCAU DVD set with every thing from BTAS, STAS, and JLAU.

[The Batman]

You saw it on youtube too?

EDIT: Sage, you dont watch adult swim, family guy, etc?

[Red]

Its on youtube?

[The Batman]

Yup...sad, isnt it? I saw this and Alive on youtube....

[The Sage]

You saw it on youtube too?

EDIT: Sage, you dont watch adult swim, family guy, etc?

I don't watch those, no. Could never get into them.

And I didn't use youtube. This is actually my first time hearing about it.

[LostSon88]

I saw this and Alive on youtube....

Ditto.

[The Batman]

I'm surprised no one else did....

[Cryostar1177]

Yeah, but come on, they're the same studio....and technically, Teen Titans ended like 3 weeks ago....and JLU is still running. :P

[The Batman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eedMOisbqWI&search=JLU

click it if you dare...

[ssj wolverine]

An uber pissed off Superman? I can't wait. I understand depowering Supes so it won't make the rest of the superheroes look like chumps but the idiot writers depowered him too much.

[November Rain]

as for the superman punch, it didn't seem that big a deal for me...

I mean in the original supes cartoon, in the main man part one, he hits Lobo way harder than he hits darkseid and he doesn't boast about letting loose...

besides the whole flight plan of darkseid was all wrong... there was no reason for him to fly up in the air the way he did and stay level, kinda putt a downer on it...

at least with the main man ep, lobo is still rising when he's going through buildings and his trajectory in comparison to the manner in which he was punched all pretty much adds up.

[KALEL114]

I watched the first season of JLA and stopped watching it. Recently caught Dead Reckoning and imediately downloaded the entire fourth season. Amazing. Then I downloaded the entire fifth season. It is amazing as well. Alive and Destroyer should of been a two hour movie, they were still my favorites though.

[3dman27]

hail and farewell my super friends
er shayera put the mace down willya?

[Binker]

I'm going back to the drawing board on my DCAU TRIBUTE MUSIC VIDEO! I found a better song that fits this and probably the fans who can't live with TB and without Timmverse.

[ssj wolverine]

Finally saw the episode . I give it 9/10 :up: . I would have given it 10/10 if they gave Supes a little while longer to cut loose. Maybe this is an indication that in the future hopefully another Superman cartoon series , the writers would finally return Superman a little closer to his Pre-Crisis glory days where he was near god like :supes: and pretty much scared the #&^* out of everyone.

[Cryostar1177]

Unfortunately, Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman and Batman (save for "The Batman" series) have all had their rights sold to Warner Brothers movie for what they're terming as "life" (until WB gives up the contracts), which means no more of any of them on TV. :(

[Mister J]

Unfortunately, Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman and Batman (save for "The Batman" series) have all had their rights sold to Warner Brothers movie for what they're terming as "life" (until WB gives up the contracts), which means no more of any of them on TV. :(

Where exactly did you hear that? It doesn't make any sense. WB owns DC.

[Binker]

For anyone who has seen that Tribute video I made with my review: I'm gon a remake it to something better and a perfect song that fans are feeling now.

So if you saw it, delete it. If you didn't, well see it anyway 'til the next one comes.

[Mister J]

Lookin' forward to it Binker. Especially after the news from the CN conference the other day. Boy, did that suck (somewhat predictable, but still full of suckitude).

[Cryostar1177]

Warner Brothers Press owns DC, not Warner Brothers Motion Pictures, which are two separate (legal) entities. In order to use the characters between the two, they have "sell" them to the Motion Pictures studio. Time Warner, itself, is under a great deal of pressure to continue this break up, as many feel that it has become too big and may risk anti-trust legislation. This is the same group that owns AOL, CNN, CBS, etc. etc.

I heard this about 2 months ago when we first heard that Teen Titans was being cancelled and JLU had a good chance of being cancelled, I want to say that it was Cinescape or perhaps Hercules that had posted it on their respective sites.

[Mister J]

OK, so this more of a continuance of the TW breakup stuff; more political than anything else. Seems weird that they would have to convey the rights "for life". However, Congress has been on TW's ass since the AOL merger went down. The delineation of properties makes sense, but it's a shame they feel they have to go to such extremes to avoid more scrutiny. After all, it is a natural synergy between the two entities.

Thanx for the fill-in Cryo. I haven't been over to Cinescape in ages.

[Binker]

Lookin' forward to it Binker.

This song is perfect. The song itself, or just the title, is EXACTLY what you guys are thinking about now with the end of JLU. And maybe you TB-haters too.

Its jazzy. No rock, just piano, a pretty woman's voice doing the lyrics, saxophone (or maybe its a trombone), drums. That stuff.

[Binker]

Sorry to double post but...

Here is the new DCAU tribute:

http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=35PZ9TKRCSZZN02QIEV9JI5HOV

[Cryostar1177]

No biggie, just glad I could bring some news in, even if it's sad.

Cinescape has digressed, if you ask me. Used to be that they were cutting edge on news, now it seems that they're a few days behind. I would say that I get about 1 new headline in 20 off of their pages now :(

[Binker]

No one check out my MV?

[Mister J]

No one check out my MV?

Just watched it. It's always good to see some of the more renowned memories of the TImm/Dini-verse. Nice retrospective to this unfortunate end.
Good stuff, Binker. :up:

By the way, what's song is that. Gotta love the smooth jazz.

[Binker]

"Can't say Good Bye to Yesterday"

You may remmebr it as the end song to Metal Gear Solid 2. Did it song fit everything, including JLU's ending?

Anyone else on the Tribute video?

[Jplaya2023]

Yo i just seen the episode it was hot ass fiya. The world should thank luthor, but first and foremost Batman saves superman's ass yet again. Did yall see batman take it to darkside, just completely owning him to the point of hillarity.

*Batman after dodging 1000 omega beams angering darkside*

Darkside: *Well your the first one to ever dodge my omega beams*

Batman: *Smirks* "Well im just beginning*

*Batman continues his onslaught of Darkside*

Superman finally got some goku in him and fought a little dbz style with the fast kicks and parries, that was pretty cool of him.

Then when the crater about to explode, batman heroically rescues superman in superhuman fashion.

Fiya!!

[Cryostar1177]

In a way, reminded me of the Girl From Krypton series in the Batman/Superman title...

I just wish it could have been an hour....gone out in style, you know?

[LostSon88]

*Batman after dodging 1000 omega beams angering darkside*

Darkside: *Well your the first one to ever dodge my omega beams*

Batman: *Smirks* "Well im just beginning*

*Batman continues his onslaught of Darkseid*

*Batman after dodging the omega beams*

Darkseid: Impressive, no one has ever avoided my omega beams I wonder if the other one is as agile.

*Darkseid turns his attention to Luthor*

Stop making up s*it. :o

[Jplaya2023]

*Batman after dodging the omega beams*

Darkseid: Impressive, no one has ever avoided my omega beams I wonder if the other one is as agile.

*Darkseid turns his attention to Luthor*

Stop making up s*it. :o


Sorry i got a little carried away, but batman did come back and give darkside a powerful cross kick to the back

[krisboyuk]

Jplaya knows more about these characters than you all combined. Listen to his word, for he is educating you!

[Jplaya2023]

Jplaya knows more about these characters than you all combined. Listen to his word, for he is educating you!

sig material thanks alot for the respect

*daps*

[Binker]

No one saw it?

[KALEL114]

No one check out my MV?
Good stuff! :up:

[Binker]

I reposted it just in case that link doesn't work anymore:

http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3BHZTSXA8IQQW17QFMYUZAQAK7

[Cryostar1177]

This was posted on on Comics Continuum, didn't know where else to put it:
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0603/09/index.htm
LEGION OF SUPER HEROES ANIMATED UPDATE

Andy Milder, voice of Lightning Lad in the upcoming Legion of Super Heroes animated series, told The Continuum he "couldn't think of a way to be more excited" about getting the role.

"I read the Legion books like crazy when I was a kid," Milder told The Continuum. "My older brother is 11 years my senior and collected them, so I started near the very beginning. While I confess to falling out for some years in the 80s and 90s, I keep my eye on them.

"Lightning Lad, however -- this is a true honor. A founding member and, for my money, one of the coolest-powered heroes? Fantastic."

The Legion series is being produced at Warner Bros. Animation, which has not officially announced the show yet. It is expected to premiere on Kids' WB! and eventually also air on Cartoon Network, a la The Batman.

Milder told The Continuum voice recording has already begun on the series, with Kelly Ward as the voice director.

In the series, Lightning Lad is the Legion's field leader. Other prominent members will include Superboy, Brainiac 5, Saturn Girl, Timber Wolf, Phantom Girl and Bouncing Boy.

An early episode, likely the first, will explain how Superboy winds up in the 31st Century.

Other Legion members will appear, and the Fatal Five will be among the villains.

[3dman27]

This was posted on on Comics Continuum, didn't know where else to put it:
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0603/09/index.htm
LEGION OF SUPER HEROES ANIMATED UPDATE

Andy Milder, voice of Lightning Lad in the upcoming Legion of Super Heroes animated series, told The Continuum he "couldn't think of a way to be more excited" about getting the role.

"I read the Legion books like crazy when I was a kid," Milder told The Continuum. "My older brother is 11 years my senior and collected them, so I started near the very beginning. While I confess to falling out for some years in the 80s and 90s, I keep my eye on them.

"Lightning Lad, however -- this is a true honor. A founding member and, for my money, one of the coolest-powered heroes? Fantastic."

The Legion series is being produced at Warner Bros. Animation, which has not officially announced the show yet. It is expected to premiere on Kids' WB! and eventually also air on Cartoon Network, a la The Batman.

Milder told The Continuum voice recording has already begun on the series, with Kelly Ward as the voice director.

In the series, Lightning Lad is the Legion's field leader. Other prominent members will include Superboy, Brainiac 5, Saturn Girl, Timber Wolf, Phantom Girl and Bouncing Boy.

An early episode, likely the first, will explain how Superboy winds up in the 31st Century.

Other Legion members will appear, and the Fatal Five will be among the villains.a LEGION series? ALLLRIIIGHT

[Cryostar1177]

I like the idea....I wonder if it will be more Teen Titans or JLU?

[3dman27]

jlu i hope
LONG LIVE THE LEGION

[eledoremassis02]

Great epidsode! One of the best! Very sad to see this series end tho :(

[3dman27]

when will it air in the us?

[droogiedroogie2]

Sorry to double post but...

Here is the new DCAU tribute:

http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=35PZ9TKRCSZZN02QIEV9JI5HOV re-up somewhere? Your second upload is already expired. Try uploading to megaupload, it doesn't have a dl limit and the expiration is based on number of dl-ers, not number of days.

[celldog]

Remember the bend of "Twiligt"??? When Superman was pissed that Batman didn't let him finish off Darlseid??? Supes said,
You know something Bruce??? You're not always right."

Please tell me there was a reference to the conversation between those two!!! I would love to see Clark get the upper hand on the smart alec Bat. :supes: :batman:

[Pksoze]

Remember the bend of "Twiligt"??? When Superman was pissed that Batman didn't let him finish off Darlseid??? Supes said,
You know something Bruce??? You're not always right."

Please tell me there was a reference to the conversation between those two!!! I would love to see Clark get the upper hand on the smart alec Bat. :supes: :batman:


Sorry no reference, anyway Superman wouldn't be the type to rub it in anyway.

[TheGrayGhost]

A few questions:

1) Was the voice-actor of J'onn changed? It didn't sound exactly like the normal voice-actor (what's his name?)

2) Did the same voice-actor who played Darkseid in STAS play him in Alive!/Destroyer?

[Pksoze]

A few questions:

1) Was the voice-actor of J'onn changed? It didn't sound exactly like the normal voice-actor (what's his name?)

2) Did the same voice-actor who played Darkseid in STAS play him in Alive!/Destroyer?


It was the same actor on both counts.

[TheGrayGhost]

It was the same actor on both counts.

So, the voice of J'onn was changed?

EDIT: Nevermind. I read your response wrong.

[celldog]

Sorry no reference, anyway Superman wouldn't be the type to rub it in anyway.


Dang!!:mad:

[lars573]

Well I just watched Destroyer part 2 at noon on YTV. And bittersweet is all I can say. Sweet episode, bitter that it's ending. Oh well, we can say that the last DCAU TV series went out with the same quality that they all had. :(

[celldog]

Maybe they will do DVD's as continuations............

[Red]

Anyone else looking forward to this ep?

[Mister J]

It was so damn good. They should have just made it a 2-hour finale instead of making people wait a week.

[3dman27]

i agree mister j

[Sawyer]

CAN@T Wait for THis Episode

[Mr.LethalWeapon]

Spoiler:

http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1265112/0/nouser_1265/T0_-1_1265112.gif (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=1265112)

[Castle]

That was one badass fight between the two. I never watched much of this series, simply because of my dislike for DC up until recently. I will probably have to get the DVD's for sure.

[jaydawg]

Bump for the patient American fans....

[TheGrayGhost]

That was one badass fight between the two. I never watched much of this series, simply because of my dislike for DC up until recently. I will probably have to get the DVD's for sure.

If you haven't seen much of the series, then you're in for one hell of a ride! I'm willing to bet that The Question and Green Arrow will become you're new favorite characters after a few episodes of Seasons 3 and 4. Be sure to check out the other DCAU series as well.

[Warhammer]

Ok, There is some pretty good action so far.
I am impressed to see Sinestro's ring in form of a dragon, Toyman owning the minions, and Batman/Luthor/Superman beating down the minions on top of the Daily Planet.

Luthor is owning with the dual pistols.

I wonder what's going to happen next.

[Warhammer]

Wow, Seeing Zatanna was golden.
I didn't know who the hell the Japanese man was, until he reveals that he is Martian Manhunter. That was something I wasn't expecting.

Seeing Batman dodge the Omega Beam was great, too.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Fitting end. Though it shouldn't've had to. Bastards.

[Anubis]

Supes knocked the S**T out of that motha f**ka!!!

[jusblaze21]

Man, that episode was Awesome. Batman and Superman fighting together was classic. The way Batman doged that Omega Beam:eek:.:up:. Dangit I will miss JLU.

[Stringer]

Goodbye Justice League. It was great while it lasted:(:up:

[twylight]

I want to cry.



















I did cry.








What is the phrase? "Parting is such sweet sorrow?"

There wasn't anything more bittersweet than this episode. Knowing it's the last one and the whole time I was having mini-fangirl orgasm's throughout it.

The comment Superman made about control tied in so perfectly with the comics.

Seeing Zatanna was awesome.

The only part I loathed was seeing them so happy at the end and not having Black Canary around. Despite two great episodes she was truly shafted in this series, something I don't think I can really forgive.

But I can't even dwell on that for very long without thinking of all the good parts of the whole series especially this episode.

And who can forget J'onn's last words.

"I'll be home for dinner. I love you too."



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/twylight/stuff/1-cry-.gif

[deathshead2]

sweet makes me want to see more of old darkseid. There better be some more DTV movies I need to see where darkseid and lex went.

[CaptainStacy]

Cool episode!

My only beef was Metrone (sp?) taking Lex to fetch the Anti-Life Equation was WAY to reminiscent of The Watcher sending Human Torch for the Ultimate Nullifier so the Fantastic Four could defeat Galactus.

Still; a fun episode, and a very fitting finale to the end of the DCAU. I remember how it began for me personally; watching Batman vs Man-Bat on a tiny battery powered black and white tv, as Hurricane Andrew had destroyed half my city. Im very grateful my family and i had something to look forward to amid all the destruction and questionable future... So long guys....it's been a PHENOMENAL 14 years.

(Raises glass).

[deathshead2]

Also did MM get a new voice actor?

[Anubis]

Sounded like it.

[twylight]

Sounded like the guy who does John Stewart.

[deathshead2]

Also it was good to see Lex in his suit again.I always missed that.

[TheGrayGhost]

Also did MM get a new voice actor?

I don't believe so.

[deathshead2]

I don't believe so.It sounded way diffenet then usual.

[Anubis]

More upbeat.

[deathshead2]

Wait nevermind just checked its the same guy who always does it.

[deathshead2]

More upbeat.I think your right more than likely he sounded diffenet becasue he was happy unlike all the other times.

[Anubis]

Maybe it was just a slight change in personality to show how far he's come in his time on his own.

**edit** you already came to the same conclusion.

[Warhammer]

Wow, Ok.
Just got done watching the show.
It was a bitter sweet episode to watch. I wish the battle was an hour episode and not 30 minutes. The episode seemed a bit hasteful to me.
I really liked the episode, but that was more of a Season Finale than a Series Finale.

Pros: The episode had greats feats with it, such as the return of old, familar faces such as Zatanna, J'onn J'onzz, etc. I liked the action alot. Seeing Luthor attack the parademons and try to fight Darkseid with his dual pistols were great to see. Seeing Batman kick some ass is always a good thing to see, too. Batman dodging the Omega Beam was great. Superman vs. Darkseid was one of the best fights in the DCAU. Superman letting loose and beating down Darkseid was great and truly showed Superman's true power. This episode belonged to Superman, mostly. The ending was great with the running down the stairs and ending it with the zoom in of Batman's ensignia.

Cons: Seeing too much of the Parademons was crap. I wanted to see Granny and the rest of the soldiers of Apocalypse have a role in this. The whole invasion was a bit underhwhelming. The idea of the generators going into the Earth core for fire was very underwhelming to me also. I wish more Leaguers had more screen time. The episode did it's best to fit what it could into 30 minutes, but I think an Hour wouldve been better for the invasion. The ending was great, but underwhelming. The series didn't really come to a good closing. I personally thought Epilogue was a wayy better ending to the DCAU than this episode. This episode did it's deed, but it wasn't as good as Epilogue. Again, I wished more characters wouldve had at least 10 seconds of action. Some like Hawkman, Zatanna, etc, didn't have that much screen time which brings me back to my real problem with this episode, Time.

Finishing Thoughts:Luthor was great throughout this whole thing, but the ending ended with a Cliffhanger of Luthor/Darkseid/Anti-Life Equation. I kinda wanted to see a great closing, but I guess a Cliffhanger was the way to go for a possible future DTV. Probably a Crisis On Infinite Earths will happen one day, or a Larkseid/Dex revenge.

This was one of the best JLU episodes I've ever seen and definately ranks in my Top 6 along with Epilogue, Kid Stuff, Divided We Fall, Alive!, and The Once and Future Thing: Time, Warped.

Seeing Batman and Superman working together was golden.
A great fitting way to end 14 years of great telelvision.

If I had to give a rating, I'd give it an 8 out of 10.
It did it's deed, but It just wasn't a proper series finale to me. It was more of a season finale than a series finale.

"Goodbye DCAU".

:cool:

I gave my review, now I am awaiting to read Dread's review.

[Rowen]

WOW! this epsidoe was explosive! the fights , all the cameos from the heroes & villians. i didn't think matian manhunter was going to show up. but when he did i was suprsied:eek: , cause i really didn't see that one coming. the superman, lex luthor, batman /Darkseid fight was phenomianl.


batman dodgeing those omega beams was spectacular. it shows that the dark night knows his limits & manuvers around his target when it is nessassary. superman cutting loose on darksied was awsome! it was all in slow motion matrix style. you can just feel the raw power as darkseid was getting tossed into the air.

flash always makes me laugh. flash: maybe we should hurl it into the sun. GL: just stares at him. flash: um yeah maybe that wasn't a good idea. was priceless.

but for once i saw that green lantern finally listen's to flash & agrees that his idea was good. so that gets a A+ for charcter development. so lex saves the day yet again. he did it once in The return & now he did it agian in this epsidoe.

at the end i cried:( , cause this is the end of the DCAU we'll never see these charcters again. unless Dtv's come out. but hey it did have a good run starting with BTAS, STAS, BB, JL, then JLU. 14 years of good quality program & im glad to have been apart of it.

"so long DCAU we'll miss you."

[deathshead2]

Someone should make like a tombstone for the timm/Dini verse.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Anybody notice the blatant Marvel references?

Ice pulls an Iceman in how she ices up.

A dude with a star throws a shield.

And was that Galactus in that wall?

[deathshead2]

Anybody notice the blatant Marvel references?

Ice pulls an Iceman in how she ices up.

A dude with a star throws a shield.

And was that Galactus in that wall?It looked alitlle bit like old Galactus and didn't ice always ice up.

[Warhammer]

Yeah, I saw Galactus and I think Thanos.


Why did JLU rip on Marvel?
Oh Well.

[deathshead2]

Yeah, I saw Galactus and I think Thanos.


Why did JLU rip on Marvel?They didn't its more of an owner Jack Kirby made darkseid and Galactus at least I think so putting him in the soruce wall is just a fun thing to do. And the guy trowing shieds well he just does.

[Warhammer]

Gotcha.
I forgot all about Kirby.

So not a rip, and more of a tribute/homage.

[ToddIsDead]

Hahaha. I saw this episode months ago when I downloaded it. I did watch it again tonight though. It's a really good episode and a nice send-off.

[Rowen]

I noticed it, but i didn't see galactus

[Anubis]

More importantly, he cut that parademons head off.

[ToddIsDead]

More importantly, he cut that parademons head off.
That was absolutely awesome.

[Anubis]

I know.

[CaptainStacy]

They didn't its more of an owner Jack Kirby made darkseid and Galactus at least I think so putting him in the soruce wall is just a fun thing to do. And the guy trowing shieds well he just does.

Kirby co-created Captain America as well.

[deathshead2]

Now I want more ironside as darkseid I NEED MORE DC do you here me MORE!!

[The Caped Knight]

Wow, after seeing this last episode of JLU. I'm very sad it had to end . This series rocks . Seeing batman dodgeing Darkside's omega beams was spectacular . THE BAT rules . And to finally see SUPERMAN use his full powers in The DCAU at last was Incredible .

JLU ended of with a huge BANG . Farewell DCAU.

[deathshead2]

Did anyone else feel like the ending to this really left it open unlike the other seasons.It really bothers me a little.

[celldog]

please!!!!!!!!!! This Can't Be Over!!!!!!!

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Tis.

14 years strong.

[celldog]

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WHAT A PROUD LEGACY!!!! THIS IS HORRIBLE!! :(

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Gah! Superman cheek bones! Gah!

[GL BAT FAN]

What is good *itches! MAN! Non stop action. I like how Bats and Supes got the nod for the show. It all started with them, and ended with them as well. The others didn't say much. Good to see J'onn, and in love. Flash: "The end of times"!...lol! Giganta kissin' Flash. Out of Control. Of my favorite villans, Sinestro got mad exposure. Thanks Timm and Co. All and all, this was the greatest cartoon series of all time. I only hope that other DC toons and or Marvel follow the blueprint of The Justice League/JL Unlimited. I do not know if Timm, Dini, McDuffie, or any of the old crew touched Legion of Super Heroes, but if they did, we are in for a treat. This show will be missed! Cop all the DVD sets if you have not already. Til the next great cartoon series....I'm out *itch!!

[deathshead2]

What is good *itches! MAN! Non stop action. I like how Bats and Supes got the nod for the show. It all started with them, and ended with them as well. The others didn't say much. Good to see J'onn, and in love. Flash: "The end of times"!...lol! Giganta kissin' Flash. Out of Control. Of my favorite villans, Sinestro got mad exposure. Thanks Timm and Co. All and all, this was the greatest cartoon series of all time. I only hope that other DC toons and or Marvel follow the blueprint of The Justice League/JL Unlimited. I do not know if Timm, Dini, McDuffie, or any of the old crew touched Legion of Super Heroes, but if they did, we are in for a treat. This show will be missed! Cop all the DVD sets if you have not already. Til the next great cartoon series....I'm out *itch!!From what we have heard they have nothing to do with it.:( I would have liked to see it as a spin off to see how supergirl is doing but no.

[CaptainStacy]

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WHAT A PROUD LEGACY!!!! THIS IS HORRIBLE!! :(

It IS very sad. Like losing a best friend.

Like The Beatles, they go out leaving us begging for more!

[The Caped Knight]

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WHAT A PROUD LEGACY!!!!

The end of an Era
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[WOLVERINE25TH]

I was a little disappointed they didn't get Dorn back fer Steel. They're usual very good with that.

[Mister J]

I hated seeing this show come to an end. There were plenty of stories left to be told. I am thankful that we got 5 seasons out of it though. JLU was really a high point in comicdom.

Now, if they only would hurry up and get the damn boxsets out!

...is it June 20th yet?

[Superman \S/]

Great ending to a great show, "Lex Flippin Luthor" LOL that was funny. the Superman fight owned and the ending was kick ass!!

[celldog]

Let's count the loose ends left dangling:

1. Batman & Diana
2. Shayera knows about her son
3. GL & Vixen
4. Luthor & Darkseid with the Anti-Life Equation
5. Doomsday in the Phantom Zone
6. General Eiling Hulked out
7. Where is Brainiac???????
8. hOW IS CAPTAIN MARVEL DOING?

Can you guys think of more loose ends???????


IT CANNOT END THIS WAY!!! :mad:

[celldog]

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[Warhammer]

I wish it wouldve had a better close.
Hopefully, God sees this and makes CN request more episodes from Timm.

or Hopefully, We will get alot of DCAU DTV's tying up the loose ends and Ra's Al Ghul's Near Apocalypse of '09.

[cabel]

Best of luck to all those who've made this universe a reality in their future endeavors. Over the course of fifteen years they have raised the bar only to surpass it again and again it, setting standards for animation and storytelling that will no doubt stand for generations to come.

[Warhammer]

Why did JLU have to be cancelled?

This is CN's fault, due to no promotion of the show and too much anime on Toonami, making JLU the oddball, making kids not wanting to watch it.


Oh well. :(

[Dread]

"The end of times," as Flash puts it in the final minute or so of this episode, and that's pretty much what we have here. "Destroyer" is the second part of the 3rd Season of JLU (or the 5th of JL if you want to count it like that), but in all due respects it is likely the end of the "Timmverse", which began with B:TAS in the early 90's and has spanned across three networks and 14 years of cartoons, from S:TAS, B:TNGA, BEYOND, spin-off fodder like STATIC SHOCK and THE ZETA PROJECT (both of which I saw little of), and finally JL/JLU. Unlike Marvel's 90's projects, many of the same writers/producers/actors stayed on board for the entire affair, allowing the "DCUA" to have its own continuity; revamping classic characters and boiling them down to their essence; using what worked and what didn't to compile an "Ultimate" version, from Batman to Superman to even lesser stringers like The Question.

I don't envy the writers of JLU this season. Their last, with the "Camdus" arc with the finale of "Divided We Fall" and "Epilogue" felt like a true artistic finale to the entire series, with all of the weight, the time, the music, the everything to go with it. And then something happened; they were renewed. Granted, CN seemed to forget by the time the ink was dry; after months of delays, the first 3rd of the series was chugged out in two weeks, and then nada for months, and so it drug out, as always. CN lost interest in the show almost as soon as they renewed it, and did everything in their power to help its demise. Maybe they figure, after 14 years, the time is now to tap younger fans, sell more toys, let us old fogies go off and rent the DVD's or something. And in truth I have been very critical of this season, which, while good overall, lacked the PUNCH of the last, and it felt that the tales were running out of steam. Some good character moments, some good brawls, but the Timmverse has always done that. No, something was not quite right, so now may have been the time to say farewell, while our memories are still fond.

How did this fare as a finale? TEEN TITANS chose to end on a somber, downer sort of note with "Things Change", which, while not bad, was a bit of a disappointment after a previous action spectacle. I was curious how JLU would fare, and they chose the complete opposite track; "Destroyer" has very little character growth, and not much of a plot. All it has is a parade of action packed "fanboy" moments to give the characters a sendoff. Nearly every hero who's had a line or screentime on the show had a moment here, and even some of the longtime villians. If any character "owned" this season, it was Lex Luthor. After his role in Camdus, however, it did feel like a bit of Luthor overkill (especially since the Superman DTV will have Luthor & Brainiac yet again, and SUPERMAN RETURNS has, yep, Luthor again). At this point I am glad he sacrificed himself, because I am officially tired of him. He had great moments, great lines, great growth, but he's said all he has now.

As an action packed spectacle, the episode delivers. JLU chose to end on a light hearted BANG, and that is rather commendable. They know they're pandering to the fans, and that's fine, too. Why is "pleasing your audience" a dirty term sometimes? WWE makes a living on knowing their audience's expectations and milking them to the hilt. Too many comic writers try to "fool" and outmanuver their audience, and the result are stories that are unfulfilling. "Destroyer" was far from perfect, but at the end my gut reaction was, "Wow". I can criticize, I can nitpick, but that was the reaction from my gut, and so that's the final tally.

The episode picks up from the last, all-villian centric episode. Luthor's attempt to magically revive Brainiac backfired, and instead he's revived Darkseid, who's angrier and more powerful than he was before. Facing an invasion from Apokolips, what's left of the "Secret Society" shows up at the JLU's doorstep to offer a warning...and assistance. Very quickly they explain how they survived; Sinestro used his Power-Ring to shield a few survivors of Darkseid's "Omega Blast" (Luthor, Toyman, Bizarro, Volcana, Heatwave, Killer Frost, Star Sapphire, Giganta, Evil Star, and Sinestro himself). Seemingly every other villian onboard had been killed; talk about heavy casualities (but not a bad bonus to some overworked Leaguers!), as well as "instant karma". Granted, Grodd and Tala looked iced by last week anyway. Noticed by Lightray from New Genesis, they jump him and grab his "motherbox" to open a boom-tube to get back to Earth. Superman and the rest of the League are not quick to believe them, and even less eager to trust them (they first plan to hold them in lock-up). Mr. Terrific notes that the invasion has begun, and the motive seems to be the same as it was in some of S:TAS' episodes; invasion of hordes of Para-Demons as they attempt to use their machines to drill into the Earth's Core and open "fire-pits" to turn Earth into a wasteland like Apokolips is. Only instead of just focusing on Metropolis, they're hitting cities all over the world, including Tokyo and Paris (and I don't mean Hilton). Faced with an invasion that even stretches a roster of 60 superheroes thin, Batman suggests they begrudgingly ally with the baddies (for the sake of "more bodies to throw at 'em"), and so they do. Seemed a bit odd coming from Batman (as even Superman doesn't want to team up with "Lex flippin' Luthor", and who could blame him, especially after last season). Just like that, the fight is on.

On the downside, the fights went down as I feared; nothing but hordes and hordes of nameless, static Para-Demons, who are supposed to be scary troopers, and yet even Dan Turpin, a middle aged cop from S:TAS, managed to punch one out. Which means even superheroes without powers can mow through a half dozen or more without breaking a sweat. Last week I'd hoped that some "named" grunts would show up, even for a few seconds, so it wouldn't feel as monotone. Like Mantis, Granny Goodness, the Female Furies, and even Vunderbaa. Now, I know the episode had a lot to do in under 21 minutes (yes, without a "previously" and the themesong, today's episode was under 21 minutes without commercials), but I'm just talking about those same "leaguers swat baddies" scenes, only with a few of those baddies not being Para-Demons, but some of those fellas. I know it'd have likely cost a little more, but it would have added to the excitement. A second of Capt. Atom paring blasts with Mantis, a few female heroines boxing the Furies, etc. Not much. Even in TMNT, a series known for hordes of "Foot Ninja", they at least mix it up with other designs, like Foot Techs (armored ninja who turn invisible and have strength boosts), Elite Ninja (teleporters in Fuedal Design), towering Foot Mechs, and occasional named henchmen (Hun, Karai, etc).

That said, despite the fact that it was the League vs. a mass of "expendable Para-Demons", the action scenes still felt some tenseness. Or maybe it was because nearly everyone got a "moment". The Question, who was shamefully ignored all season, gets a notable intro. Toyman, Sinestro, Giganta, Shining Knight, Green Arrow, Steel (both of 'em), Zatanna, they all get their moments to shine and swat some PD's. Surely it is worth appreciating such an expansive group brawl, even if it could have been better. JLU spent a slow burn introducing many "second stringers" over time, but it makes up for it here because you "know" most of the faces. I even enjoyed seeing Hawk & Dove lay some smackdown, so long as they're not speaking or related to the plot in anyway. No one could summarize the brawls accurately. Flash & Green Lantern had a memorable exchange, launching one machine into a large spaceship. Wonder-Woman got to unleash her warrior fury. But out of every cameo, the best came from a spunky little Asian man defending his wife, only to turn into...Martian Manhunter! Apparently he got a life and a wife, but isn't about to leave his friends behind. Considering that J'onn himself is hundreds of years old, the fact that he's not with some token 20-something chippy was appreciated, spoke wonders of the character.

Shayera also had a long sequence smashing the machine alongside Atomic Skull and Steel. No, not the armored Steel; the man in red, white, and blue, who was doing his best Capt. America impression is also named Steel, and he predates John Henry Irons by nearly a decade in the comics. Since the name is confusing, I'll call him Commander Steel (as that was his father's name in the comics anyway). Speaking of allusions to Cap with the shield-slinging (and decapitation; OUCH! Although TMNT still has the best decapitation scene from U.S. cartoon history), there were allusions galore here. Note how Ice "suited up" in a manner identical to Iceman's sequence from SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS. The Source Wall also had some images that resembled Galactus, which was also a creation of Jack Kirby (along with all "4th World" characters). Still, since this sequence was longer anyway, imagine how much cooler it would have been had Shayera been wounded by, say, a Female Fury? Oh, well...serves them right for setting the bar so high! Com. Steel wasn't the only "new Leaguer" given a mention; Blue Devil got in a short line too.

The true stars of the episode, despite all the name dropping (and the fact that all the 7 founders spoke), were Superman, Batman, and Luthor, as they took on Darkseid head-on. Luthor had some double-gun action that seemed reminiscent of Vigilante (who showed his talents too), while Batman gave his Batarangs and Electro-Knuckles a workout (note that Batman has used those "Electro-Knuckles" against Thanagarians in "Starcrossed" and against The Cadre alongside Superman in "Clash"). Naturally, this was Superman vs. Darkseid, Round 3, although Batman landed a few assists. It seemed a bit jarring that Batman could actually STAGGER Darkseid with attacks, especially considering Mongul barely noticed him in "For The Man Who Has Everything". I like Batman, but I don't like it when he is mistake for a metahuman. The exploding Batarang was good, but it seemed silly seeing Darkseid wobble like that when Batman flipped him (although, to be fair, Darkseid disregarded him as a "flea"). Batman even dodged his Omega Beam, although I'll admit that looked cool. One of those "fanboy moments". Luthor wisely kept away and happened upon the Metron, who was watching the fight for, um, the same reason cosmic omnipotents watch stuff. He goads Metron into helping him find a way to beat Darkseid, and here we get to the episode's major downside.

Things like The Source wall and the Anti-Life Equation are things that hardcore DC fans know of, and casual fans can look up online, but TV viewers would know nothing of, and the show gives them no explaination. In terms of the episode, it was just a dues ex machina, a "magic bullet" solution to beat Darkseid in one fell swoop. Sort of like some magic solution is used constantly in bad sci-fi or disaster movies. It is always lame and tiring to see. Plus, Luthor's already saved the day ("The Return") and nearly ended all days ("Divided We Fall"). It would have been simple, but I would have rather had the "World's Finest" defeat Darkseid. Probably would have been more satisfying.

But of course, I can't go on without that one moment that will be etched into our minds forever, the moment that'll become immortalized in about 100 avatars across the Internet. Yes, that is the "Super-Punch". This was what you call "solid arse pacing". Superman, after taking a malicious beating, gets his barings after seeing Batman get swatted AGAIN rather hard, and starts to lower the boom on Darkseid, getting angrier with every punch, and delivering an EPIC sort of speach about how his team won't surrender, and how its finally time to show off some REAL power. This moment worked MUCH better than homaging Moore's "BURN!" from "FTMWHE". Superman lays the smackdown with the mother of all punches that knocks Darkie through about half of Metropolis (I feel so sorry for insurance rates in Metropolis; isn't this the 3rd time the DAILY PLANET'S gotten smashed in as many years), and then he pulls a Goku and smashes him from behind.

Alas, then Darkseid wins out, brags about it, and then Luthor emerges with his "magic bullet" instant kill solution, the Anti-Life Equation. The fact that jumping out of Metron's bubble in the middle of outer space didn't kill Luthor is saying enough. Apparently he has a "12th level intellect" like Brainiac-5 does, because he mastered it. The comics have been fuzzy over the years about what exactly the Anti-Life Equation is (although several claim it to be a way to mentally control every mind in the universe), but in the cartoon, its some bright light that seemingly kills both of them. Of course, maybe it wasn't the "real" anti-life equation? Maybe it was some other power and Luthor just suckered him (like he was suckered out of Brainiac's power)? Who knows. Just like that, the Para-Demons flee and the battle is won, and it feels a little anti-climatic. To be fair, this was Luthor's season, so maybe in a way it was fitting how he solved the problem for them.

Fortunately, and this is saying a lot, despite the anti-climatic finish to the JLU's, and the Timmverse's, FINAL battle against their worst enemy, the show manages to put a smile on it. The JLU revels in their victory and even dares on the rest of the Society to try to escape them with a "head start". The main 7 all get in a last line, and they go with a "the adventures continue" ending, rather than hope to tie up whatever loose ends remain to be tied (which aren't many really). And then to the theme of the show, all the members race down the staircase in groups. Not of appearence, but of other means. Gotten from my own geekness and TV.com:

1). Question, Hawk & Dove, Capt. Atom, Creeper: all creations of Steve Ditko.
2). Stargirl, STRIPE, Crimson Avenger, Vigilante, Shining Knight: 7 Soldiers of Victory.
3). Gypsy, Vibe, Commander Steel, Vixen: from the 80's "JLA Detriot" era.
4). Red Tornado, Zatanna, Green Arrow, Black Canary: the "Satellite" JLA from the 70's.
5). Hourman, Dr. Fate, Dr. Midnight, Wildcat: JSA.
6). Booster Gold, Fire & Ice, Elongated Man: the "JLI" era from about 1987-1992.
7). Finally, the 7 founders, with the "Big Three" running together, focusing on Batman's symbol, as it was B:TAS that began it all 14 years ago.

Despite all that, though, this finale cannot match the "bringing in all seasons of JL plus years of backstory" into effect from the Camdus arc and the classy finish of "Epilogue" that also wrapped up BEYOND and set the tone for the evolution of Batman II. Yes, Darkseid and Luthor bring in all of their past baggage. Considering Darkseid invaded Metropolis, killed Superman's pal Dan Turpin, then brainwashed Kal himself and ruined his rep and had him conquor for him, Darkseid may be the one foe Superman hates MORE than Brainiac or Luthor. But it wasn't the same. It was easily better than JLU's freshman season, though. But thankfully it all flows together. Still, as good as it is, this season seemed to show that the source material was at an end, that nearly everything meaningful that could be said about these characters is already said so they just only had to do wrap-up (like with Supergirl or the GL/HG/Vixen triangle). Plus, well, we know how the future ends up with BEYOND. Not every single little plot point is filled, but it doesn't have to be. No series could do that. And nothing would be as tedious as tying every loose end.

Still, this finale will stay fresh in my mind long after TITAN's has already faded into the abyss of memory. JLU ends with heroes united, charging foward to face their brave new world. The struggle for good and evil continues. Is there any other way to have it?

A 5th season of JL may not have been as artsey, or as good as the 4th, but it had its moments, though, and I don't think I'd have wanted to not see them. The Timmverse gets judged harshly because Timm has raised the bar so high after 14 years, and I for one am grateful for this achievement in American animation. Many series, seasons, networks, literally hundreds of episodes, and a climax that, although like most climaxes, a little anti-climatic (like Joker learning Batman's identity in ROTJ), still leaves you reminded of the best of the series. Lexiac will always be more satisfying, but ending out on a B+ instead of an A+ is no reason to feel like a failure. The crew have earned their collective right to take a bow while the stage isn't strewn with tomatoes after all their dedicated work. You do us fans proud, Timm & Co. Setting the standard on how superhero cartoons should be done in a way that pleases the young, hooks the old and assumes neither are idiots. Still, with JLU and now TMNT ending their "traditional" runs and the future lined with more "kiddie fare", one only can cringe and wonder about what the next generation will have.

But they'll have the DVD's. And we'll have the memories. Spent over half my life with the Timmverse, which has pretty much invented, from the ground up, any appeal I have in DC comics, and despite the niggles, never regretted a second.

Good journey, JLU. 'Till all are one.

[Nightwing]

The two part conclusion of tonight's episode left me astounded. Even though there could've been many more episodes made with the variety of heroes on the show, I'm glad the whole show ended on good terms. We got to see alot of other heroes during the finale, which was a good thing.

The part I enjoyed the most about the episode was Batman saying to the other villains, "Five minute head start."

I will truely miss this show, and everything that it became since it's first season. I will always believe that it could've continued.

[Dread]

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To add, The Flash really showed that Batman's not the only "ladies man" in the JLU this season. While Batman's "psuedo-relationship" with Wonder Woman went nowhere, the Flash managed to crush on Fire in "Initiation" and all but have reporter Linda Park fawning over him in "Flash and Substance". PLUS, managing to get to first base with Giganta in tonight's episode "Destroyer" without even trying (and you KNOW those villianesses are kinky; just ask Batman). That's not even going into his "inside Lex's body" moment with Tala in "The Great Brain Robbery".

"Having dinner with two women at the same time" indeed, Wally. :cool:

[Stringer]

I liked how Batman kept coming to Supermans aid kind of like payback for Superman saving Batman in "Starcrossed." They always have each others back:up:

[Lackey]

Also it was good to see Lex in his suit again.I always missed that.


"Sorry I took so long, I had to get my powersuit" :up:



I was jumping up and down the whole episode.


All the seasons better come out on DVD really quickly :(

[cabel]

I'm going to assume that the next batch of box sets will be out by christmas

[jusblaze21]

I liked how Batman kept coming to Supermans aid kind of like payback for Superman saving Batman in "Starcrossed." They always have each others back:up:

Yea, The was one of my favorite moments of the show. Darksied was cleary superior to Batman but that did'nt keep him away from helping Superman.:supes: :batman:

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

batman out running the omega beams!

[Rowen]

Besides me missing this show, im also going to miss your reviews Dread. your reviews have been insightful, inspiring, & helpful to me. you done what ive seen no writer or author has done. & thats bringing inteagrity & wisdom to your written litirature. like every post or review you had, you made me think at the end of your post. agian alot of authors & writers can learn from you. thanks for the spectacular reviews Dread.:up: hopefully youll keep them coming in the near future.

a little forthought i had stuck in the back of my mind that i have been thinking about for awhile: these shows provide us fans with a place to talk about theese shows, & when a certan show ends it leaves an empty feeling, like alot of you are expressing right now. Just look at the teen titans boards, thier persumaly dead right now.

& won't pick back up till the dtv comes out, but when that's said & done the teen titans baords will officially be dead & gone, & thier be no more reason talk in them. the juctice leage baords is probably going to turn out the same way.

same with the ninja turtle boards i mean thier's other things to talk about besides super hero shows, but it won't be the same. thier something special when we as fans can come together & talk about these shows. even if we have different oppinions than others. Debating, reviewing, analyzing characters, or shows is one of the things i like about these forums. lets face it, thier really isn't alot of places or people to with about these shows. espcecially how close minded peolple are towards animation. lableing it a kids thing & not to be taken seriously.

going around to different boards & reading other peoples post, baffels me sometimes. with people not understanding why some of us want more quality shows on the air. agian its these quality shows that give us a talkback on these boards for us fans to talk about.

with no show, means no talkback, witch means no forums.:mad: i wish some people would undertsand that concept.

[celldog]

Diana's stunned look at the "old" Chinese dude slugging it out with the parademons!!! THAT WAS PRICELSS!!!! It totally took me by surprise!! I was thinking..."Was this guy some old golden age hero of WWII?" When he went red dragon, I was like "DANG!!!!!!!" :eek: :up: It's frikkin' Jonn!!!!

Too much left to tell. Not one Doc Midnight story or Hourman.

[Dread]

Besides me missing this show, im also going to miss your reviews Dread. your reviews have been insightful, inspiring, & helpful to me. you done what ive seen no writer or author has done. & thats bringing inteagrity & wisdom to your written litirature. like every post or review you had, you made me think at the end of your post. agian alot of authors & writers can learn from you. thanks for the spectacular reviews Dread.:up: hopefully youll keep them coming in the near future.

a little forthought i had stuck in the back of my mind that i have been thinking about for awhile: these shows provide us fans with a place to talk about theese shows, & when a certan show ends it leaves an empty feeling, like alot of you are expressing right now. Just look at the teen titans boards, thier persumaly dead right now.

& won't pick back up till the dtv comes out, but when that's said & done the teen titans baords will officially be dead & gone, & thier be no more reason talk in them. the juctice leage baords is probably going to turn out the same way.

same with the ninja turtle boards i mean thier's other things to talk about besides super hero shows, but it won't be the same. thier something special when we as fans can come together & talk about these shows. even if we have different oppinions than others. Debating, reviewing, analyzing characters, or shows is one of the things i like about these forums. lets face it, thier really isn't alot of places or people to with about these shows. espcecially how close minded peolple are towards animation. lableing it a kids thing & not to be taken seriously.

going around to different boards & reading other peoples post, baffels me sometimes. with people not understanding why some of us want more quality shows on the air. agian its these quality shows that give us a talkback on these boards for us fans to talk about.

with no show, means no talkback, witch means no forums.:mad: i wish some people would undertsand that concept.
Thanks for the compliments, really, I'm honored. I just have a lot of free time on my hands at times. But I guess I write good. ;)

Least with TMNT, we'll have the "Lost Season" showing up on DVD sometime, and whatever the heck "Fast Foward" will be.

THE BATMAN is still on the air, but honestly I am losing interest and it may not be another season before I decide that its not worth waking up at 8:30 a.m. for another day for, especially since next semester I start a year of internship for 16 hours a week.

But I get the sentiment, JLU allowed a lot of us to come together and redefine the cartoon universe that draw us all in as kids. I mean, its been 14 years and for probably most of us, that's at least half our lives. I do think that a DTV may be inevitable, especially since S:TAS is getting one a full 6 years after that show was cancelled (because of the convient franchise return at Hollywood). While the powers that be may not want to invest in 13 episodes a year anymore, putting out a DTV that's less than 90 minutes (as they all are) is the equalivent to only 3 episodes and change. Plus they can probably afford more VA's for movies.

In all honesty, like I have said before, while there are always new stories to be told, and some loose ends, trying to tie them all up is not always the best way to go. A prime example is X-MEN: THE END, in which Chris Claremont spends 18 issues trying to tie up everything in the X-mythos for some imaginary finale story, and I've heard little positive reviews for it save for real Chris "fanatics". Leave some of that to our imaginations; gives us something to chat about. Besides, at least we have BEYOND to account for 40-60 years in the future for some of these folks. Terry becomes the Bat, Superman is still around (and posessed, then freed, by Starro), Aquaman has a daughter and then goes missing, GL and Shayera get together again long enough to birth Warhawk, Static joins the JLU, etc. That's better than a lot of shows did.

Frankly, this was probably the best series finale since X-MEN EVOLUTION ended with "Ascension: Part 2". Yeah, it could have used a little more build-up, but to be fair, the gap in Apokolips without Darkseid had been mentioned a few times across the seasons; last season had "Ties That Bind" and "Question Authority". The music for this episode vaguely reminded me of "Transformers: The Movie" with the electric guitars, and you could hear a few twangs of Superman's old theme when he was giving his little speech (and showing that while Darkseid is a god on Apokolips, on Earth, Superman was CLEARLY stronger; hence why Darkseid had to resort to an energy attack; at that point he would have lost at fisticuffs...again). In some ways "Twilight" had a better ending, but as I said before, this was Luthor's season, so maybe it was fitting that he found some redemption in the end.

Besides, the ending was upbeat, with all those heroes racing down the staircase. Upbeat is good. You'd be amazed at how rare that can be. And at least it wasn't an unresolved cliffhanger, like SPIDER-MAN got in the 90's (yes, John Semper explained it all, but the audience wanted a reunion with MJ, and without that, it wasn't as good as it wanted to be). The point is that every show...EVERY SHOW, has to end sometime. The choice is either to end too soon, or after they are fully tapped out and the audience is all but booing them from the stage. It is a delicate balance. While this season of JLU couldn't hope to top the last, it still was positive overall, and I wouldn't take it back if given the choice. If any universe deserved to end before the welcome was worn out, its the Timmverse.

Anyway, think Atomic Skull could cut it out as a hero? He seemed the most willing out of the bunch, and it probably feels better than being pummeled by Wildcat in a ring. ;)

[Rowen]

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Anyway, think Atomic Skull could cut it out as a hero? He seemed the most willing out of the bunch, and it probably feels better than being pummeled by Wildcat in a ring. ;)

I think atomic skull could defientaly be a hero, he showed hero capabilites, & he showed that maybe he was tired of being the bad guy & always getting beat down by the good guys.

when he said that its our world to, & we helped you guys save the world, don't we get a recomadation. so yeah i could definentaly see him shedding the bad boy image & turning good.

[rigel7soldiers]

The Atomic Skull was one of my favorite things about the episode. They waited until the last episode to give him dialogue or development, but still handled it very well. "Yeah!" Because, honestly, how can you not love a guy who can breathe atomic fire, or whatever the Hell that is?

My other favorite thing is Steel. Why? Because when Steel throws his mighty shie-e-e-eld, all those who chose to oppose his mighty shield must
yie-e-e-eld.

This episode made me love DCAU Luthor again. He stopped being all about Brainiac and started being all about Lex... Charging at Darkseid, ordering Metron around, leaping into the Source Wall; Luthor is just so confident that it defies explanation.

[Dread]

I think atomic skull could defientaly be a hero, he showed hero capabilites, & he showed that maybe he was tired of being the bad guy & always getting beat down by the good guys.

when he said that its our world to, & we helped you guys save the world, don't we get a recomadation. so yeah i could definentaly see him shedding the bad boy image & turning good.
Another thing. Do you think the Giganta/Flash thing was an allusion to TEEN TITANS? Think about it; Rosenbaum also voiced Kid Flash on TT, and in that, Kid Flash had romantic interest in Jinx, a member of a baddie team who he wanted to go straight; and eventually did. Giganta, in comparison, started out devoted to the wicked Grodd, even willing to ally with Bizarro to bust him out of prison. But as soon as she became inconvient, he fried her brain and left her in prison; a rejection she still was angry about ("Alive"). Maybe like Jinx, she's seen that good guys usually treat one better in relationships. Or maybe I'm just reaching.

Of course, Speedy also showed up in "Patriot Act", voiced by his TT VA.

Flash has Fire, Linda and now Giganta seemingly pulling to date him. He could be busy a while.

[Hush]

Good review Dread. Always love em and will miss them dearly.

[Mister J]

Echoing other posts, great reviews Dread. It was always good to get your analysis on the eps. :up:

[jaydawg]

Here's what I said when the episode appeared online, months ago.

Good episode, but hardly great. I'd have to say this was one of Darkseid's more weak apperances. Its great that they left it open ended, but honestly, it didnt leave me feeling as amazed or stunned as Divided We Fall. Everything just really felt rushed to me. You could tell from the get go that this finale needed to be three parts. Since WB was forcing 13 eps per season, they should have just not done "Far from Home." That episode was of season one quality and should have ditched it from the get go. I loved that Supes punch, but two punches and that was it? Come on. Darkseid usually beats the crap out of Supes, but now, when Darkseid is Brainiac powered, they do this. Thats just bull****.

The best part of the episode, though, was the little things. That Brave and the Bold moment, with the catapult, was priceless. Jonn's return actually caught me by surprise. I knew he'd come back, but I had no idea that he was the elderly chinese man. When he turned into the dragon.... god that was awesome. Question punching that paragon was fantastic. I really loved the scene where Stargirl and STRIPE are suiting up. And lets not forget "Don't you have a building to jump?"

Overall I'd give this a 7.5. Hardly one of the DCAU's finest, but alot of great moments too. It really needed to be three parts. Last season had a four part finale...so why did they decide to cut that in half? JLU may not have went out with a whimper (Teen Titans anyone?), but it wasnt really much of a bang either. I'm not saying JLU should have ended last season, but maybe ending this season is for the best. "Flash and Substance," "The Great Brain Robbery," "Grudge Match," "Patriot Act" and "Shadow of the Hawk" were some of my favorite JLU episodes ever, but I think it is time to let go. "Far from Home" proved that even the greatest of writers can lose their skills after writing certain characters for over ten years. Plus its not like this is the final story in the DCAU. Brainiac attacks is still coming. And for all we know, "Worlds Collide" could still happen. I hope it does too, cause I have a feeling Johnny Quick is going to be the Timmverse version of Prof. Zoom and I'd love to see Johns progression post-Shayera. But I digress.

A slightly better than average finale for a slightly better than phenominal show. Farewell DCAU. The Batman can't hold a candle to you.

[dcbmp]

TMNT: Fast Foward:
In the upcoming sixth season of the series, the storyline will leap 99 years into the future under the subtitle Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward. According to a Playmates Toys press release: "Brought to the future by Cody Jones, the grandson of Casey Jones (TMNT) and April O’Neil, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Donatello and Raphael are forced to adapt to a whole new world – without their home, junk food or Shredder... The lighter and funnier-than-ever series... is set to bow 26 stand alone episodes in September 2006 on 4KidsTV."[2]. Unfortunately, as a result, the fifth season, which resolves the cliffhanger of the season four finale, will not air on TV and will be DVD only.

[Rowen]

Another thing. Do you think the Giganta/Flash thing was an allusion to TEEN TITANS? Think about it; Rosenbaum also voiced Kid Flash on TT, and in that, Kid Flash had romantic interest in Jinx, a member of a baddie team who he wanted to go straight; and eventually did. Giganta, in comparison, started out devoted to the wicked Grodd, even willing to ally with Bizarro to bust him out of prison. But as soon as she became inconvient, he fried her brain and left her in prison; a rejection she still was angry about ("Alive"). Maybe like Jinx, she's seen that good guys usually treat one better in relationships. Or maybe I'm just reaching.

Of course, Speedy also showed up in "Patriot Act", voiced by his TT VA.

Flash has Fire, Linda and now Giganta seemingly pulling to date him. He could be busy a while.


I don't think its an illusion to teen titans, but an illusion to flashes character. we saw flash's determination to pull jinx on the right side of the tracks & in the end it worked out. the same thing with Giganta. i think flashes funnyness & caring heart, got to giganta. she saw something in flash that made her smile, that no man has ever done for her.

but flashes funny antcis does indeeed attract the ladies to him & can also annoy & entertain some people at the same time. im glad that flash is having girls fall for him, cause in the earlier season's of ju/jlu, the women where turning him down left & right.

& it was a sad sight to see.:(

[Rowen]

"also on that Giganta - flash kiss" what i saw when giganta kissed flash, was that flash wasn't even trying to get with her, in previous episdoes we've seen him despreatly try to get with women. but he wasn't just being himself.

here he was. & looked what happened, he got the attention of a beautiful women because he was just being himself. & not despretly trying to be all swavy & hip acting like alot of guys do when they try to meet a girl.

flash is starting to realize to just throw that hip swavyness away & start being his funny, crazy, caring, mature self.

[Dread]

I don't think its an illusion to teen titans, but an illusion to flashes character. we saw flash's determination to pull jinx on the right side of the tracks & in the end it worked out. the same thing with Giganta. i think flashes funnyness & caring heart, got to giganta. she saw something in flash that made her smile, that no man has ever done for her.

but flashes funny antcis does indeeed attract the ladies to him & can also annoy & entertain some people at the same time. im glad that flash is having girls fall for him, cause in the earlier season's of ju/jlu, the women where turning him down left & right.

& it was a sad sight to see.:(


"also on that Giganta - flash kiss" what i saw when giganta kissed flash, was that flash wasn't even trying to get with her, in previous episdoes we've seen him despreatly try to get with women. but he wasn't just being himself.

here he was. & looked what happened, he got the attention of a beautiful women because he was just being himself. & not despretly trying to be all swavy & hip acting like alot of guys do when they try to meet a girl.

flash is starting to realize to just throw that hip swavyness away & start being his funny, crazy, caring, mature self.
Very true. In the first two seasons of JUSTICE LEAGUE, one could say that Flash was "trying too hard" and naturally that was driving some women off. Plus, during JL, Flash was supposed to still be a relatively "novice" hero, one who wasn't quite as experienced as many of the others (at least according to some interviews way back). By JL Season 2, Flash started showing off that he'd learned some things, which continued (and apexed) in JLU Seasons 2 & 3. On the dating front, Flash stopped "trying" as hard and probably gained more confidence in himself as a hero outside of his little "town" of Central City, having been a founding Justice Leaguer and survived his share of battles (he was no longer, say, a braggart wanting to beat Superman in a race).

Plus, he's definately more FUN than Batman. ;)

[The Batman]

Well....here it was...the final episode of Justice League.

It was pretty decent, but like jaydawg, i wish it were a three parter. The fanboy moments really sell the episode. Superman unleashing his true power was a nice touch, as well as Batman dodging the omega beam. The most touching part was the end, with the roll call.

I must say, I'll miss having new episodes of justice league, but it was time to move on. Hopefully, Timm and his crew will break new ground again in the future. JLU was a great cartoon

[The_Mystery]

I would have settled for an hour long episode. I knew the cancellation of the series was close when they put it at 10:30 pm on a Saturday night.

[Vic Von Doom]

I also liked the episode, had some great moments. "Oh c'mon, it's Lex flippin' Luthor!" is destined to be one of the series best remembered lines. But as a two-part finale, it felt rushed and let some things be unexplained. For instance, what happened to Grodd and the other villains in space who didn't come back with Sinestro? I guess they're dead?

Also, as a finale to the series, last season's finale, from Clash to Divided We Fall (and Epilogue to boot) was so incredible and even felt more like they were ending the series that I was sure I'd be underwhelmed no matter what they did this time around. Still liked it a lot, though.

[Odin's Lapdog]

I think there's still juice in the tank...

there's far too much potential to let it just go, there's bound to be some justice league releases that tie up some of these loose ends better.

[Dread]

Wow, the JLU forums are gone and these threads have been merged with "MISC. TV SERIES". Guess that is better than the fate of the old X-MEN: EVOLUTION board (it got blipped out), but it really made me feel sad to see that happen.

To comment, I agree with Jaydawg and a few of you that an additional episode to "ALIVE/DESTROYER" would have enhanced the story. It could have allowed many of the B and C-Listers to actually get in some final dialogue to go along with their "blink and miss" cameos. The possibilities are endless. It also would have allowed for more of Darkseid's minions to get in brawls, and thus not feel as monotanous as endless waves of Para-Demons.

Still, the main problem would have remained; I wanted to see the heroes beat Darkseid, not Luthor. This was Luthor's season, and shot at redemption after YEARS of either being "subtly manipulated" by Brainiac or obsessed with remerging with Brainiac. Maybe this ending was meant to show that even Luthor could redeem himself. Still, I would have rather seen the heoes get the win; without that, it can't match Flash taking on Lexiac in "DIVIDED WE FALL". Plus, Lexiac was a new villian (sort of); Darkseid has been involved in several major storylines before and had 2 previous brawls with Superman ("Legacy" and "Twilight"), both of them great and satisfying. This one was better in the duration but not as fulfilling in the end. Granted, much like I'll always remember "Dead Reckoning" for "The episode where they turned into gorillas", DESTROYER will always be remembered for "Super-Punch" and the final minute or so, which is enjoyable.

Despite all that, though, I stand by my statement earlier; "DESTROYER" is a solid B+, whereas last season ended on an A+. While that is worth noting, I won't spend the last moments of JLU bashing it. I surely enjoyed it a lot better than the ending for TEEN TITANS.

[Hush]

Should we make an Offical JLU Thread or something for all and anything JLU?

[Rowen]

I think we should, im suprised they got rid of the juctice league forums & the teen titans forums so quickly:eek: , especially when thier is a dtv coming up for TEEN TITANS. they should of left the teen titans thread & JLU thread alone, beacuse thier are more things to come.:up:

[Dread]

I think we should, im suprised they got rid of the juctice league forums & the teen titans forums so quickly:eek: , especially when thier is a dtv coming up for TEEN TITANS. they should of left the teen titans thread & JLU thread alone, beacuse thier are more things to come.:up:
I agree on TEEN TITANS, even though I'd stopped posting there. That DTV's due out this year, right?

JLU getting one seems inevitable, if even S:TAS can get a DTV some 6 years later when it is convient. Heck, MYSTERY OF THE BATWOMAN, a B:TNGA DTV, came out a good 4-5 years after THAT show'd been off the air. So As Wonder Woman said, "the adventure continues." We just may have to wait a bit for it.

[jaydawg]

We'll, I think we all hope that when the eventual JLU DTV comes out, Timm plays a part in it. These DTVs without him cant be described as other than average.

[Rowen]

I agree on TEEN TITANS, even though I'd stopped posting there. That DTV's due out this year, right?

JLU getting one seems inevitable, if even S:TAS can get a DTV some 6 years later when it is convient. Heck, MYSTERY OF THE BATWOMAN, a B:TNGA DTV, came out a good 4-5 years after THAT show'd been off the air. So As Wonder Woman said, "the adventure continues." We just may have to wait a bit for it.

yes, sometime this year the TEEN TITANS DTV will be out. & i know a jlu DTV will be out soon, i say maybe a year or two. but as you quoted, we will definetly have to wait .

as good as i predict the dtv will be, it will be worth the wait.

[Rowen]

We'll, I think we all hope that when the eventual JLU DTV comes out, Timm plays a part in it. These DTVs without him cant be described as other than average.

i half agree on this one. mystery of the batwomen wasn't that bad IMO. but i like it how it was made. even though it wasn't as epic as MASK OF THE PHANTASM, it still had quality, that made it its own tall telling story.

[3dman27]

i missed the show ,my sister and i had to move to our new apartment sooner than expected and didn't get cable back till yesterday

[Jplaya2023]

Jplaya knows more about these characters than you all combined. Listen to his word, for he is educating you!

uppin........... this powerful post

[Jplaya2023]

Uppin this classic thread. This one of the few times batman's true potential was shown. He was fighting darkseid at lighspeed, dodging his omega beams which move lightspeed, saving superman, owning darkseid, owning darkseid's minions etc... As fast as superman is not even he can dodge the omega which batman was able to do with ease because his battle speed is light speed.

[Red]

Dread did you every review Brainiac attacks?

[Dread]

Dread did you every review Brainiac attacks?
Not yet. I planned on renting it, but the first 20 or so minutes I saw on CN were so abysmal that I'm not really rushing out to Blockbuster to spend $3-5 to watch something that I all but know is crappy (especially since its not really Timmverse related). I may eventually watch it for kicks, and then I'll post something long and amusing ripping its guts out.

[Jplaya2023]

just watched this episode again.

This shows why Batman is indeed the G.O.A.T. and unquestioned leader of the justice league.

If it wasn't for him and his heroics the earth would be destroyed and superman and the others dead.

Just a few highlights for those who forgot.

Batman single handedly dodged 1,000's of Darkside Omega beams traveling at light speed which indeed proves batman true speed and him holding back in fights.

Batman saves luthor when darkside pummeled him and threw him from the building.

Batman made the suggestion to have the legion of doom fight a long side the Justice league which was a big help in destroying the machines.

Batman saved superman's azz yet again at the end when darkside was nano seconds away from killing him

etc.. etc..

Great episode