SUPERMAN PRIME (holding nothing back) vs GOKU (with full access to the Dragon Balls)

[TheBlueWolf]

SUPERMAN PRIME (maxed out holding nothing back) vs GOKU (maxed out with absorption ability and full access to the Dragon Balls)

THIS IS THE ULTIMATE MATCH UP!!!

In a total off the hook grudge match to the death, where no one holds back anything! Who would win???

For those of you that don’t know.

SUPERMAN PRIME is from DC’s One Million series. It depicts Superman in his ultimate prime, where he has become essentially a cosmic powered NEW GOD. Superman lives in a sun, and has mastered all of his abilities, and can fly in and out of black holes, stop white dwarfs, and survive omega novas (explosions that blow up entire solar systems). Superman Prime could easily take on both Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, the Anti-Monitor, and Galactus, and defeat them with great ease. Superman Prime’s only real competition would be either Spectre or maybe the full Living Tribunal…in combined combat. Superman Prime could even take down Batman with unlimited prep time!!! Oh yeah, Superman Prime also possesses a Veteran Green Lantern Power Ring too (supposedly the last and most powerful one in existence). Superman Prime is also completely immune to Kryptonite too!!! In other words Superman Prime is Superman in his ultimate most powerful invincible form, a true GOD!!!

I think it would be a short fight, and Superman would win hands down. He’d mop the floor with most uber powerful versions of GOKU. lol

On a side note, I had posted this accidentally in the JLU area, but meant for it to be here.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

SUPERMAN PRIME (maxed out holding nothing back) vs GOKU (maxed out with absorption ability and full access to the Dragon Balls)

THIS IS THE ULTIMATE MATCH UP!!!

In a total off the hook grudge match to the death, where no one holds back anything! Who would win???

For those of you that don’t know.

SUPERMAN PRIME is from DC’s One Million series. It depicts Superman in his ultimate prime, where he has become essentially a cosmic powered NEW GOD. Superman lives in a sun, and has mastered all of his abilities, and can fly in and out of black holes, stop white dwarfs, and survive omega novas (explosions that blow up entire solar systems). Superman Prime could easily take on both Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, the Anti-Monitor, and Galactus, and defeat them with great ease. Superman Prime’s only real competition would be either Spectre or maybe the full Living Tribunal…in combined combat. Superman Prime could even take down Batman with unlimited prep time!!! Oh yeah, Superman Prime also possesses a Veteran Green Lantern Power Ring too (supposedly the last and most powerful one in existence). Superman Prime is also completely immune to Kryptonite too!!! In other words Superman Prime is Superman in his ultimate most powerful invincible form, a true GOD!!!

I think it would be a short fight, and Superman would win hands down. He’d mop the floor with most uber powerful versions of GOKU. lol

On a side note, I had posted this accidentally in the JLU area, but meant for it to be here.
You are dearly misstaken.
And i can even see that you know nothing about Doragonbaru.
1) Gokuu didnt get any power by "fusing" with Shenlon.

But if you mean Gokuu in his strongest form...
Sûpâ Saiyajin Fô Son-Gokuu

Hahahahaha.

If Gokuu didnt hold back at any time when he fought he would rip down the universe.

Sûpâ Boo could blow a whole through 1 dimention to an other.

Gokuu would break through so many dimentions with his blast Superman would be torn into pieces.

One fact is that.
The Doragonbaru characters surpasses eachother so many times that it's only guys with over 200 IQ (I was given 202 on my first IQ-test, was some kind of pussle)
To understand where they lie.
For example. Gokuu's power incresses by 30 000 times from Saiyajin saga to the end of Furiza saga.

Superman would be MURDERED...

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Yeah and when you mention God.
Than you should compare his power to god's not more powerful beings...
Kami = God

[Ultra-Herald9]

You are dearly misstaken.
And i can even see that you know nothing about Doragonbaru.
1) Gokuu didnt get any power by "fusing" with Shenlon.

But if you mean Gokuu in his strongest form...
Sûpâ Saiyajin Fô Son-Gokuu

Hahahahaha.

If Gokuu didnt hold back at any time when he fought he would rip down the universe.

Sûpâ Boo could blow a whole through 1 dimention to an other.

Gokuu would break through so many dimentions with his blast Superman would be torn into pieces.

One fact is that.
The Doragonbaru characters surpasses eachother so many times that it's only guys with over 200 IQ (I was given 202 on my first IQ-test, was some kind of pussle)
To understand where they lie.
For example. Gokuu's power incresses by 30 000 times from Saiyajin saga to the end of Furiza saga.

Superman would be MURDERED...


HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Man I just love to hear you DBZ fanboys babble about how Goku can beat people that outclass him in so many ways its not even funny! Superman Prime is POWER INCARNATE and even Spectre would have trouble with him!

First off Superman Prime is COMPLETELY impervious to physical harm and even the most powerful psyichic attacks only give him headaches so how would Goku even hurt him! Goku could charge up a kamehameha wave for years and Superman Prime would shrug it of like it were nothing.

If SSJ4 Goku is so powerful then how come he got whopped by a freakin android and then by Dragon Balls! How come Goku never used his universe destroying powers to scare of his opponents? Because he isn't even close to these levels of power and I ask that you stick to the facts since it was never stated that SSJ4 was even close to these levels of power!

Before Goku could even pronounce the K for the Kamehameha wave he would get blasted by the MATTER ANNIHILATING HEAT VISION blast from Superman Prime.:supes:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Ehh Sûpâ Junanagou(Super 17) you mean?
Man if he feelt like it he could destroy the whole universe.

Gokuu would just throw a distruction disc (it is stated that it goes through everything, in the manga) So it would go through Supes like he was made of butter.
- You cannot argue with that.

But i dont think he would be forced to use it, his just simply to strong.

Heat vision, LoL Pikkoro could that attack when he had a powerlevel under 300... In fact it is so weak he don't even use it anymore.
The fact is that Gokuu when first attacking in Retuen of the Saiyajin saga.
Had a pl of 5 000 (he got it up to 8k later by unleaching some of his anger)
And as SSJ he haf at least 150 000 000 (stated by the DB encyclopedia)
That is kind of an incresse isnt it.

[Ultra-Herald9]

WHAT DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT IMPERVIOUS TO PHYSICAL HARM!!!!!!!!!!

If the destructo disc is so powerful then why did Cell take it like nothin. All Z warriors would die if they touched the sun and normal Supes's heat vision is more powerful then that but Supes Prime could make his heat vision so powerfu that it would annihlate all matter on contact including Goku before he could even charge the energy for the destructo disc!

[SSJ4_Mikael]

WHAT DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT IMPERVIOUS TO PHYSICAL HARM!!!!!!!!!!

If the destructo disc is so powerful then why did Cell take it like nothin. All Z warriors would die if they touched the sun and normal Supes's heat vision is more powerful then that but Supes Prime could make his heat vision so powerfu that it would annihlate all matter on contact including Goku before he could even charge the energy for the destructo disc!
Ehh, Seru taking a Destructodisc is a filler, you failed once again old chap.
In the manga the destruction disc goes through everything.

Ehh, The sun you gotta be kidding be, they just raise a chi barrier.
And thats a reflex.

If you recall Nuova Shenron. He was the hottest thing in the universe.
Even hotter than a *blue star* or a *red giant*.
So no, cause Gokuu touched him a copule of times, even hitted him.
So Supes laser would be nothing... To GT Gokou

[Ultra-Herald9]

Superman Prime would become intangible and go right through the destructo disk then he'd punch Goku out of exsistence. First Off GT isn't canon so technically there is no SSJ4 if we aren't going to count filler then we shouldn't count GT either. WHAT AM I FREAKING SAYING I forgot Supes has the green lantern ring also which is basically as powerful as the users will so he would just will Goku out of exsistence.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Ehh, Seru taking a Destructodisc is a filler, you failed once again old chap.
In the manga the destruction disc goes through everything.

Ehh, The sun you gotta be kidding be, they just raise a chi barrier.
And thats a reflex.

If you recall Nuova Shenron. He was the hottest thing in the universe.
Even hotter than a *blue star* or a *red giant*.
So no, cause Gokuu touched him a copule of times, even hitted him.
So Supes laser would be nothing... To GT Gokou


GOOD LORD!!! You DBZ Fans will come up with anything to prove stupid meaningless crap!! What are you 12 years old!?!? Who cares about what Goku can do Superman Prime is so much more powerful than Goku that this Debate is meaningless! GOKU CANNOT BEAT SUPERMAN PRIME AND GOKU WOULD DIE JUST FROM HIS SUPER KRYPTONIAN AURA!!!!

[SSJ4_Mikael]

You guy's just think Supes is stronger 'cause he never gets into a real chalange.
He fitght human-asassin's some alien's. Big deal...

Gokuu is so many times stronger there aint even a number for it.

Sûpâ Boo would own Supes, with ease.
Since he can just be destroyed by possetive chi energy.
- Which Supes don't have.
He could turn him into a cookie, and egg or anything else of his liking.
But if he feelt like it he would just absorb him.

Even if Supes burns Boo into gas or even plasma, he would be albe to regenerate. Boo can turn liquid and Supes wouldent be able to punch him.

SSJ4 Gokuu >> Sûpâ Boo >> Post-toast-wattapwnedn00bie-crisis Supes.
Even the weak Villains like Furiza would take him down, no sweat hands up and down.

Gokuu's chi aura makes the earth shake.
Kryptonnian aura, make's supes look ugly.

[The Hurricane]

One thing that alot of Superman gowers get is that his powers come from a yellow sun. Goku could take out the sun ending supermans power hold. Goku has no kryptonite or pyhsical item as the source of his power.

[The Hurricane]

GOOD LORD!!! You DBZ Fans will come up with anything to prove stupid meaningless crap!! What are you 12 years old!?!? Who cares about what Goku can do Superman Prime is so much more powerful than Goku that this Debate is meaningless! GOKU CANNOT BEAT SUPERMAN PRIME AND GOKU WOULD DIE JUST FROM HIS SUPER KRYPTONIAN AURA!!!! Do you even watch DBZ or GT?

[Harlekin]

We all lose. :(

[My vengeance]

Here we go again...

[Ultimate_Superman]

Superman Prime can create life and take it away he can make a sun out of nothing if he felt like it. Goku can take out a thousand yellow suns and Superman prime could put it back up like it is nothing. Remember Superman prime is Superman with 1,000,000 years of prep time. The man became a god. Hell the man brought back krypton like it was nothing and brought back Lois. Hell the man is just giving away power and making people as powerful as his pre-crisis self.

[Super Kal]

come on guys... this thread is no longer worth it. This thread has been done many times in the past and all it's done is create anger and tension between other SHH posters. I'd appreciate it if we can bring the quarrel to rest and finally leave it in peace

[SSJ4_Mikael]

No, let this go on...
Instead of closing it and open it in about 3 moths.

And remember Kami is God!
(He just seems weak, when there are heores that have surpassed him a countless times over)

Superman might seem imprevious to phychical damage.
But if he faced Gokou he would been proven wrong.

[Bizzybone]

Do you even watch DBZ or GT?


LoL word.:up:

[Bizzybone]

Superman Prime can create life and take it away he can make a sun out of nothing if he felt like it. Goku can take out a thousand yellow suns and Superman prime could put it back up like it is nothing. Remember Superman prime is Superman with 1,000,000 years of prep time. The man became a god. Hell the man brought back krypton like it was nothing and brought back Lois. Hell the man is just giving away power and making people as powerful as his pre-crisis self.

Supermanprime is powerful, but not as powerful as a super saiyan 4 jin. He relys on the sun more than anything else which is a total drawback. Saying that supermanprime can do those feats is just speculation nothing else. it's been proven in wizard magazine that Goku will make a fool out of the manofsteel.

End of discussion...you superman fan boys.:o

[deathshead2]

Why does something like this pop up every few months. Anyway a real fight for goku with the dragon balls would be thanos with the power he got from marvels "THE END".

[Bizzybone]

Why does something like this pop up every few months. Anyway a real fight for goku with the dragon balls would be thanos with the power he got from marvels "THE END".

Thank you deathshed...God bless your soul. People like Krypton or Ultra-Herald can't keep their mouths shut without insulting the other side.:supes: They're superman's hardcore fans...nothing else. Goku wins this by a long shot.

[Bizzybone]

:) One thing that alot of Superman gowers get is that his powers come from a yellow sun. Goku could take out the sun ending supermans power hold. Goku has no kryptonite or pyhsical item as the source of his power.

Nicely stated there buddy.:up:

[deathshead2]

Thank you deathshed...God bless your soul. People like Krypton or Ultra-Herald can't keep their mouths shut without insulting the other side.:supes: They're superman's hardcore fans...nothing else. Goku wins this by a long shot.Really no side can ever win one min a supes fan makes a fanfic of supes beating goku, next a DBZ fan makes a fic of goku beating supes blindfolded then ECT ECT ECT ..... it never ends.

[Bizzybone]

Really no side can ever win one min a supes fan makes a fanfic of supes beating goku, next a DBZ fan makes a fic of goku beating supes blindfolded then ECT ECT ECT ..... it never ends.


I got two words for you....



Wizard Magazine!!!!!!!:eek: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif









DB

Kid Goku (born)
-2

Kid Goku (meeting Bulma)
-90

Kid Goku (1st. Tournament)
-130

Kid Goku (Second Tournament)
-200

Kid Goku (Vs. Red Ribbon Army)
-256

Kid Goku (Vs. Daimaio Piccolo)
-340

Kid Goku (Final Trounament of DB, Vs. Ma Junior)
-410

DBZ

Goku
-434

Goku (W/o weighted clothing)
-723

Goku's Kamehameha
-1200

Goku Dead
-614

Goku After Training with King Kaio Sama
-1,000 (surpressed)

Goku Revived
-10,000

Goku Kaio Ken Vs. Nappa
-20,000

Goku Kaio Ken x 2 Vs. Vegeta
-25,000

Goku's Kaio Ken Times 3 Kamehamehameha
-40,000

Goku's Kaio Ken Times 4 Kamehameha
-50,000

Goku injured
-1,000

Goku's Spirit Bomb
-10,000

Goku after Training on Space ship to Namek
-5,000 (surpressed)

Goku's Max
-215,000

Goku Vs. Frieza
-500,000

Goku Kaio Ken x 10
-1,000,500

Goku Super Saiya-jin
-12,500,000

Goku Upon arriving on Earth
-1,000,000

SS Goku on Earth
-17,240,000

Goku on the day of the androids arrival.
-5,000,000

SS Goku Vs. 19
-19,000,000

Heart Disease Goku
-2,000

Goku After Training in Hyperbolic Time Chamber
-35,000,000

Ultra Super Siaya-jin 1 Goku Vs. Perfect Cell
-212,000,000

Goku's Warp Kamehameha Wave
-250,000,000

Goku Dead
-20,000,000

Goku SS Vs. Pikkon
-100,000,000

Goku Super Kaio-Ken (x1000)
-240,000,000

Goku at Tournament
-30,000,000

Goku SS 2 Vs. Yakon
-190,000,000

Goku Super Siaya-jin 2 Vs, Majin Vegeta
-280,500,000

Goku Super Saiya-jin 3
-650,000,000

Veggeto
-900,000,000

SS Veggeto
-1,000,000,000

Goku's Earth Spirit Bomb
-700,000,000

SS Goku's Earth Spirit Bomb
-1,230,000,000

DBGT

Goku
-100,000,000

Goku Child
-10,000,000

Goku Child SS 1
-40,000,000

Goku Child SS 3
-120,000,000

Goku Golden Oozaru
-100,000,000

Goku Super Saiya-jin 4
-345,000,000

Gogeta SSJ4
-2,000,000,000

Goku's Universal Spirit Bomb
-5,700,000,000

Goku After absorbing the dragonballs
-Immeasurable.

[saiyan jedi]

goku of course

[Harlekin]

Wizard Magazine is like every other fanfiction. It proves nothing.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Supermanprime is powerful, but not as powerful as a super saiyan 4 jin. He relys on the sun more than anything else which is a total drawback. Saying that supermanprime can do those feats is just speculation nothing else. it's been proven in wizard magazine that Goku will make a fool out of the manofsteel.

End of discussion...you superman fan boys.:oHow is that a speculation? Did you read DC One Million????? The Superman of that time was given more power by Superman Prime. Superman Prime at the end of the series brought back Krypton and gave life to Lois again. Goku would put up a brave fight but he will not beat him. Superman Prime doesn't even need the sun anymore. See your thinking of Superman not Superman Prime is a living God and no matter how much Goku would try he would fail.

[Bizzybone]

How is that a speculation? Did you read DC One Million????? The Superman of that time was given more power by Superman Prime. Superman Prime at the end of the series brought back Krypton and gave life to Lois again. Goku would put up a brave fight but he will not beat him. Superman Prime doesn't even need the sun anymore. See your thinking of Superman not Superman Prime is a living God and no matter how much Goku would try he would fail.

Gee what a superman fan. Goku already beat superman in wizard magazine so thank you for basically saying nothing. Why don;t you post pictures of him doing that. You will make everyone else happy if you do. besides that, Shenron Goku can just wish supermanprime to his deat. it's been proven already and agreed that goku can and will beat him. Do all us a favor and show some evidence, otherwise it's just speculation nothing else.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Ultimate_Superman]

it was said that Goku by (Wizard) could be Superman not Superman Prime. When your talking about Superman Prime you are talking about a whole other person. Thats the problem you guys are thinking of Superman he man who is white and wears red,blue and yellow. Superman Prime is just stright gold all over and a God.

[Bizzybone]

it was said that Goku by (Wizard) could be Superman not Superman Prime. When your talking about Superman Prime you are talking about a whole other person. Thats the problem you guys are thinking of Superman he man who is white and wears red,blue and yellow. Superman Prime is just stright gold all over and a God.


Supermanprime is not a God...stop making things up for godsakes. Wizard said that superman (pre-crisis) will lose to a super saiyan 1.:supes:

[Harlekin]

Wizard Magazine is like every other fanfiction. It proves nothing.
Not only that, but Wizard is in no way canon for either the DBZ or Superman universe. And to get this out of the way immediately: I'd say the exact same thing if they had decided Superman beats Gokuu. Wizard is just a piece of fanfiction in magazine-form.

[Bizzybone]

Not only that, but Wizard is in no way canon for either the DBZ or Superman universe. And to get this out of the way immediately: I'd say the exact same thing if they had decided Superman beats Gokuu. Wizard is just a piece of fanfiction in magazine-form.


it doesn't matter if you tore it to a thousand pieces. That strictly doesn;t mean that it's fantasy, It happened.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Harlekin]

it doesn't matter if you tore it to a thousand pieces. That strictly doesn;t mean that it's fantasy, It happened.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
Yes it does. It was not endorsed by either companies.

[Bizzybone]

So what...it's obvious that superma lost to Goku. I bet you burned it in the lake of fire along with D.C.

[Harlekin]

So what...it's obvious that superma lost to Goku. I bet you burned it in the lake of fire along with D.C.
Therefore it is not canon and cannot be used in debates.

[Bizzybone]

Therefore it is not canon and cannot be used in debates.

it's not canon and should be used in debates. It's okay if you tore into a thousand pieces lmao. deal with it, it happened so we must take it into consideraton.

[Harlekin]

it's not canon and should be used in debates. It's okay if you tore into a thousand pieces lmao. deal with it, it happened so we must take it into consideraton.
If I write an editorial and publish it in a magazine in which it states that Superman beat Gokuu, should it therefore be taken into consideration? No. The only reason you use Wizard is because it adheres to your opinion.

It is normal to not use non-canon items in debates, since they invalidate your points. Superman and Gokuu have never met in either of the respective universes, only in a fanfic.

[Bizzybone]

If I write an editorial and publish it in a magazine in which it states that Superman beat Gokuu, should it therefore be taken into consideration? No. The only reason you use Wizard is because it adheres to your opinion.

It is normal to not use non-canon items in debates, since they invalidate your points. Superman and Gokuu have never met in either of the respective universes, only in a fanfic.

yes...but who won that fight, goku so stop talking out of your ass. It's okay if you burned it so did d.c. You don;t need to post whore yourself into dbz.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Supermanprime is not a God...stop making things up for godsakes. Wizard said that superman (pre-crisis) will lose to a super saiyan 1.:supes:Oh my god, you really need to read DC One Million to understand who Superman Prime is.

[Harlekin]

yes...but who won that fight, goku so stop talking out of your ass. It's okay if you burned it so did d.c. You don;t need to post whore yourself into dbz.
Do I deny Gokuu won in Wizard? No.
Do I deny Wizard's worth? Yes.

If I gave you articles that tell you Superman beats Gokuu, would you disregard them or not?

[Bizzybone]

Oh my god, you really need to read DC One Million to understand who Superman Prime is.


Supermanprime is nothing compared to goku.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Supermanprime is nothing compared to goku.
True, but I've gotta say that sometimes you have no idea what your talking about.

SSJ Gokuu vs 100% Furiza
Goku: 150 000 000
Furiza: 120 000 000
In power level.
I really don't know where you found that crapy list you been posting all over the place.

SSJ4 Gojiita is stated to be the stronget fighter of all time in Doraganbaru, so:
SSJ4 Gojiita >> Gokuu merged with Shenlon.

It aint even stated that Gokuu got any power cause of the fusion with Shenlon.
Shenlon = Ethernal Dragon
Gokuu + Shenlon = Ethernal Gokuu

And remember King Pikkoro killed Shenlon in DB.
So if Gokuu got any power at all it wouldent make a big difference.

[My vengeance]

True, but I've gotta say that sometimes you have no idea what your talking about.

SSJ Gokuu vs 100% Furiza
Goku: 150 000 000
Furiza: 120 000 000
In power level.
I really don't know where you found that crapy list you been posting all over the place.

SSJ4 Gojiita is stated to be the stronget fighter of all time in Doraganbaru, so:
SSJ4 Gojiita >> Gokuu merged with Shenlon.

It aint even stated that Gokuu got any power cause of the fusion with Shenlon.
Shenlon = Ethernal Dragon
Gokuu + Shenlon = Ethernal Gokuu

And remember King Pikkoro killed Shenlon in DB.
So if Gokuu got any power at all it wouldent make a big difference.
Now,where did you get that from?I think you need to cut a zero from each one...

[hippie_hunter]

Goku > Superman

Goku < Superman Prime

End of debate

[saiyan jedi]

bull*****

[Bizzybone]

Goku's power is immeasurable at the end of gt.

[Bizzybone]

Ultra-Herald is delusional lol. Just like devil hulk.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Okay bizzybone BRING ME PROOF!!!! When was it stated that Goku's powers were immeasurable! Until Akira Toriyama actually states that Goku became that powerful then its not true.

[Bizzybone]

Okay bizzybone BRING ME PROOF!!!! When was it stated that Goku's powers were immeasurable! Until Akira Toriyama actually states that Goku became that powerful then its not true.


Bring me proof about supermanprime. First of all, you lied when you said that he was superman 1 million in the future. You have no proof whatsoever so please stop it. Go to the superman forum or something. You can show you admiration for the manofsteel. Stop torturing Dbz fans. Even Guyvejay, who knows way more than you, said that Goku becomes immortal at the end of gt.

[Ultra-Herald9]

What are you talking about! I never freakin said that Superman Prime is Superman 1,000,000!!!! I freakin posted what he did at the end of DC One Million! Who cares what Guyverjay says about Goku that still doesn't make the statement correct!!!

[Bizzybone]

What are you talking about! I never freakin said that Superman Prime is Superman 1,000,000!!!! I freakin posted what he did at the end of DC One Million! Who cares what Guyverjay says about Goku that still doesn't make the statement correct!!!

Yep, Guyverjay stated that Goku is immortal at the end of Gt. Quit being bias and listen to the Guyver for a change.:mad: You said that supermanprime is superman 1 million in the neart future lma0. You remind of Krypton because you never stop.

[Ultra-Herald9]

First off bringing into this Guyverjay doesn't make about anything Goku canon. I'd like to see the quote of me stating that Superman Prime was Superman 1,000,000.

[Mr. Socko]

Oh Lord, this is a hard decision. But come on, Full Access Goku is unstoppable. :D

[Bizzybone]

Good post mr. socko.

[Bizzybone]

First off bringing into this Guyverjay doesn't make about anything Goku canon. I'd like to see the quote of me stating that Superman Prime was Superman 1,000,000.

Goku is immortal. Thank you but come again...your more delusional than Devil hulk lmao.

[Super Kal]

actually, Superman Prime is Superman One Million... Superman Prime stayed in the sun for a thousand years, and after he came out, he called himself Superman One Million

[Bizzybone]

:up: actually, Superman Prime is Superman One Million... Superman Prime stayed in the sun for a thousand years, and after he came out, he called himself Superman One Million

Thank you Kakarot, you are like a life savior.:)

[Mr. Socko]

actually, Superman Prime is Superman One Million... Superman Prime stayed in the sun for a thousand years, and after he came out, he called himself Superman One Million

Wow, that is cheesy. WTF did he do hibernating in the sun for a gazillion years.

[Bizzybone]

Wow, that is cheesy. WTF did he do hibernating in the sun for a gazillion years.

Lmao...that sounds so retarded. Why would he do this lol??? :supes:

[hippie_hunter]

Lmao...that sounds so retarded. Why would he do this lol??? :supes:

Leaguer would kill you if he ever saw you diss on something ever created from the mind of Grant Morrison

[Super Kal]

i thought the idea of seeing a different Superman than the one we already know intriguing because it's something we never have seen before... That's why I like the whole Crisis thing.

[Erundur]

GOKU (maxed out with full access to the Dragon Balls)

because he can also have kryptonite with him and stuff.

[Bizzybone]

Nicely stated or magic to flavor your post.

[Assassin]

You are dearly misstaken.
And i can even see that you know nothing about Doragonbaru.
1) Gokuu didnt get any power by "fusing" with Shenlon.

But if you mean Gokuu in his strongest form...
Sûpâ Saiyajin Fô Son-Gokuu

Hahahahaha.

If Gokuu didnt hold back at any time when he fought he would rip down the universe.

Sûpâ Boo could blow a whole through 1 dimention to an other.

Gokuu would break through so many dimentions with his blast Superman would be torn into pieces.

One fact is that.
The Doragonbaru characters surpasses eachother so many times that it's only guys with over 200 IQ (I was given 202 on my first IQ-test, was some kind of pussle)
To understand where they lie.
For example. Gokuu's power incresses by 30 000 times from Saiyajin saga to the end of Furiza saga.

Superman would be MURDERED...

I hate you due to the fact that you think you are smarter than every one else.

[Bizzybone]

That guy can't make up his mind lol. He said that supermanprime would win after he made that remark.

[Red X]

Goku easy

[Assassin]

btw..it's superboy prime

[Bizzybone]

I have no clue...i think that character is all messed up. At first we get someone saying that he is superman 1 million and then another saying that it's post-crisis. This is giving me a headache lol.

[Red X]

Why does it say holding nothing back?

[Red X]

Edit.

[Bizzybone]

I have no clue whatsoever who made this idiotic thread.

[Trooper]

As much as i like DBZ i still feel he is such a rip off of Superman lol, but ya Goku is pretty invincible. But superman is better, original and when he is supermanprime, hes tooo much everything.

[Bizzybone]

Superman might have ripped off the sun gokou legend though lol.

[Red X]

Goku

[Red X]

or is it GOKUU?

[Bizzybone]

goku.

[buutenks]

Goku's power is immeasurable at the end of gt.

Prove it.

[Bizzybone]

Easy...ask the guyver why.

[buutenks]

As much as i like DBZ i still feel he is such a rip off of Superman lol, but ya Goku is pretty invincible. But superman is better, original and when he is supermanprime, hes tooo much everything.

He is not invincible.

[Bizzybone]

But he can beat supermanprime though.

[buutenks]

Easy...ask the guyver why.

I have seen ssj4 goku in action he is weak,hi's ki attacks are weak,he is weaker then ssj1 Goku that battled Freiza.

[Harlekin]

Easy...ask the guyver why.
Guyver is not perfect.

And you can call him Goku, Gokuo or Gokuu. Anyway you want it. I prefer Gokuu.

[buutenks]

But he can beat supermanprime though.

No he can't,he can defeat Post-crisis Superman but not sups prime.

[Bizzybone]

Guyver is not perfect.

And you can call him Goku, Gokuo or Gokuu. Anyway you want it. I prefer Gokuu.

We did crown him the king of dbz lol. So he beats all lmao.

[Red X]

[quote=Harlekin]Guyver is not perfect.[quote]
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Bizzybone]

No he can't,he can defeat Post-crisis Superman but not sups prime.


prove it. It's not what wizard said.

[buutenks]

We did crown him the king of dbz lol. So he beats all lmao.

He does not beat all,Super Buu,ssj3 Gotenks,Chou Gohan,Buutenks,Chou Buu and Vegetto beat him.

[Bizzybone]

I'm talking about the guyver.

[Harlekin]

We did crown him the king of dbz lol. So he beats all lmao.
Once you explore the internet you will find there are people just as knowledgable if not more so than Guyver. You're all just riding his balls.

prove it. It's not what wizard said.
It is exactly what Wizard said. They gave a match between Goku and Post-Crisis Superman. They said nothing about Superman Prime.

[buutenks]

prove it. It's not what wizard said.

How can goku fight on the moon if he needs air?

[Bizzybone]

Did you see the bardock special...you need some lessons from the guyver.

[Red X]

guyver = DBZ uberfan?

[Bizzybone]

yep

[Two-Face]

Goku

[Bizzybone]

You said it two face.

[Harlekin]

Did you see the bardock special...you need some lessons from the guyver.
Bardock Special isn't canon.

Also, yes, Guyverjay is arguably the biggest DBZ fan here, and has most certainly acquired more knowledge on the subject than half of the people here. Some people can give him a run for his money though.

[Super Kal]

both of you are wrong. it's not Goku or Gokuu


it's Son Gokou

[Harlekin]

both of you are wrong. it's not Goku or Gokuu


it's Son Gokou
All three are applicable.

[Super Kal]

the English version of DBZ is a bunch of ccrap... Funimation really screwed up the series by adding stuff that wasn't in the series, like Saiyan instead of Saiyajin, and Freeza supposedly being a changeling, when in fact in the original Japanese version, Freeza's race is never explained

[Harlekin]

I know. But there are differences between the romanji-names, including the whole Gokou/Gokuu thing. I prefer Gokuu myself.

[My vengeance]

Guyver is not perfect.

And you can call him Goku, Gokuo or Gokuu. Anyway you want it. I prefer Gokuu.
AND GOKOU!:mad: :up:

[Harlekin]

I've seen that version used too, as well.

[Vanguard07]

if you read the comics and dont just pay attention to the cartoons and popular opinion you'd realize just how powerfull Superman is and if you paid attention to the specific feats Goku has performed and compared them you'd realize that Goku while seemingly more impressive is actually a lot less powerful than Superman. Unless Goku had Kryptonite or used magic instead of ki energy somehow he just wouldnt stand much of a chance. It's a shame really cause I like Goku much better. Superman's a dick as can be proven here: http://www.nationallampoon.com/supermanisadick/default.asp

[Harlekin]

That **** is so old. Check their new site: www.superdickery.com

[Red X]

Goku

[Bizzybone]

if you read the comics and dont just pay attention to the cartoons and popular opinion you'd realize just how powerfull Superman is and if you paid attention to the specific feats Goku has performed and compared them you'd realize that Goku while seemingly more impressive is actually a lot less powerful than Superman. Unless Goku had Kryptonite or used magic instead of ki energy somehow he just wouldnt stand much of a chance. It's a shame really cause I like Goku much better. Superman's a dick as can be proven here: http://www.nationallampoon.com/supermanisadick/default.asp


Bwhahahahahahahahah....eveything you said there is jibberish at best.:eek:


Brolly destroyed a galaxy even though he was weaker than Cell lol
Kid Boo ripped through other dimensions.
Superman struggled to lift an airplane and gohan did it with incredible ease
Vegita's father blew up the planet he wasn on and two near planets as well.

[Harlekin]

Both the Brolly and King Vegeta events were non-canon/filler, also Superman has struggled with an airplane before, but in other incarnations he was able to close black holes with his bare hands. It all depends on the time-period.

[Tomwelling4sups]

GOKU sucks

[Bizzybone]

Both the Brolly and King Vegeta events were non-canon/filler, also Superman has struggled with an airplane before, but in other incarnations he was able to close black holes with his bare hands. It all depends on the time-period.

Yes the size of a tennis ball lmao.:supes: Goku had the capabilty of destroying a galaxy at ss2.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Bizzybone]

GOKU sucks

:o Goku is the better fighter though lol.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Harlekin]

Oh, I just happened to come across this little nugget, I think you'll find it very interesting Bizzy:
http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3305382&postcount=6

[Bizzybone]

Notice what he said there lmao,,sensron goku is immortal so you failed miserably there.

[Bizzybone]

Tomwelling4sups, you did notice that tom welling wanted to be goku at one time.

[Harlekin]

Notice what he said there lmao,,sensron goku is immortal so you failed miserably there.
Immortality doesn't make you omnipotent. I suggest you look up the word first before commenting again.

[Bizzybone]

Immortality doesn't make you omnipotent. I suggest you look up the word first before commenting again.

His powerlevel was immeasurable too lmao.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Harlekin]

His powerlevel was immeasurable too lmao.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
There is no evidence for this.

You're basically going against the word of Guyver. Do you really want to do this? Gokuu isn't omnipotent.

[Bizzybone]

Yes he is my homey.

[Harlekin]

Proof? And please, one post without mentioning Guyver? I'm really tempted to PM him one of these days and hopefully let him set you straight.

[Bizzybone]

Are you blind or something lmao? The dragon is immortal like a genie.

[Harlekin]

Are you blind or something lmao? The dragon is immortal like a genie.
The Dragon has been killed before. Being immortal means you're unkillable.

[My vengeance]

http://www.nationallampoon.com/supermanisadick/images/dick/005.jpg

Ahahahahaha!

Superpope!:) :up:

[Bizzybone]

The Dragon has been killed before. Being immortal means you're unkillable.

What's to stop goku for wishing for immortalityhttp://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif????

[Bizzybone]

http://www.nationallampoon.com/supermanisadick/images/dick/005.jpg

Ahahahahaha!

Superpope!:) :up:

http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
There goes Harlekins messiah.

[Harlekin]

What's to stop goku for wishing for immortalityhttp://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif????
But he didn't. Not to mention that Gokuu would find that unfair. Immortality also doesn't equal omnipotence.

[My vengeance]

http://www.nationallampoon.com/supermanisadick/images/dick/016.jpg

The man has a valid point...

[Harlekin]

Oh, c'mon, don't tell me you never saw that site before, Vengeance?

[Bizzybone]

Goku's powelevel is beyond ludicrous.


http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=13561564&imageID=205204299&Mytoken=C0F32911-12D8-BF7E-2B0082927FD93A5C92264494

[Bizzybone]

Who thinks i'm buff lol?

[Harlekin]

Goku's powelevel is beyond ludicrous.


http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=13561564&imageID=205204299&Mytoken=C0F32911-12D8-BF7E-2B0082927FD93A5C92264494
Is he omnipotent? No.

I'd watch it Bizzy, you're defying Guyver. :eek:

[Bizzybone]

He is now fall back homie.


Hey, vegeance you like my muscles?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=13561564

[Harlekin]

He isn't. Nothing has been shown to prove omni-potence.

Stop posting the link and just put in your damn sig already.

[Bizzybone]

What??? You seen my pics before?

Then you are blind if Goku isn't immortal. His power is beyond the imaginable (Fact)

Besides that superman isn't skilled at all. Is either punch him hard or punch him harder. That's way too predictable for Goku.

[Harlekin]

- It's very annoying to keep posting the link, so I'll satisfy you: Yes, I have seen the pictures, I think your muscles are great, if I weren't straight, I'd totally have sex with you.
- His power is 'beyond the imaginable' because it was never shown. He would not have gotten any significant powerboost from the Dragon, who was quite weak. Gokuu was long-lived, no proof of immortality.
- Superman (Prime) knows Kryptonian martial arts and also has a wide array of other powers and skills.

[Bizzybone]

- It's very annoying to keep posting the link, so I'll satisfy you: Yes, I have seen the pictures, I think your muscles are great, if I weren't straight, I'd totally have sex with you.
Jesus christ fall back.
- His power is 'beyond the imaginable' because it was never shown. He would not have gotten any significant powerboost from the Dragon, who was quite weak. Gokuu was long-lived, no proof of immortality.
Guyver is never wrong homie. But the dragonballs can grant immortality and an immeasurable powerlevel. Fall back again money.
- Superman (Prime) knows Kryptonian martial arts and also has a wide array of other powers and skills.
Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Nuff said there. The kyptonian way is to punch hard or way harder; too predicatble for someone who has been learning martial arts since the age of 3.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Red X]

if I weren't straight, I'd totally have sex with you.

Best. Quote. Ever.

[Bizzybone]

lol.

[My vengeance]

Best. Quote. Ever.
I know,I was just about to say that.It's sig-worthy.

[Harlekin]

Guyver is never wrong homie. But the dragonballs can grant immortality and an immeasurable powerlevel. Fall back again money.
Yes, he is. The Dragonballs can grant immortality, and it's actually quite disgraceful to think that Gokuu would wish for immeasurable power. He'd sooner die than do that.

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Nuff said there. The kyptonian way is to punch hard or way harder; too predicatble for someone who has been learning martial arts since the age of 3.
No, it really isn't. Besides, Superman can do more than just kick and punch. He can alter reality and has a Green Lantern ring. All Gokuu can do is kick and punch and a variety of energy blasts.

Feel free to sig if you want, guys. I'm a funny bastard like that. :D ;)

[Bizzybone]

Yes, he is. The Dragonballs can grant immortality, and it's actually quite disgraceful to think that Gokuu would wish for immeasurable power. He'd sooner die than do that.
Well if it means fighting supermanprime.

No, it really isn't. Besides, Superman can do more than just kick and punch. He can alter reality and has a Green Lantern ring. All Gokuu can do is kick and punch and a variety of energy blasts.
With magic.....did you forget about that. Besides supermanprime is way too slow for goku. Did you forget about istant transmission, the normal ki blasts, spirit bomb, his famous tradmark wave, various other blasts, the dragon himself.
Feel free to sig if you want, guys. I'm a funny bastard like that. :D ;)http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[My vengeance]

Oh, c'mon, don't tell me you never saw that site before, Vengeance?
To my everlasting shame,no...:(

[Harlekin]

Well if it means fighting supermanprime.
If you truly think this you know absolutely nothing about what makes Gokuu, Gokuu.

With magic.....did you forget about that. Besides supermanprime is way too slow for goku. Did you forget about istant transmission, the normal ki blasts, spirit bomb, his famous tradmark wave, various other blasts, the dragon himself.
Gokuu doesn't use magic. He uses his life-energy, his ki. Two totally different things.

Supes has:
Green Lantern ring
Reality altering powers
On top of his usual repertoire. Nothing Gokuu has beyond the Dragon is that potent.

[Bizzybone]

If you truly think this you know absolutely nothing about what makes Gokuu, Gokuu.
You don't know anything about Dragonball.

Gokuu doesn't use magic. He uses his life-energy, his ki. Two totally different things.
Well guyver was argueing that goku possessed some sort of magic. Fall bakc money.
Supes has:
Green Lantern ring (Wow i'm surprised)
Reality altering powers (Lmao)
On top of his usual repertoire. Nothing Gokuu has beyond the Dragon is that potent. (wrong)

Goku has:
Istant transmission
Has the capability of destroying trillions of stars (Brolly feat)
Can last long in space
Kamam......Nuff said
Universal spirit bomb
Dragon fist (A dragon that pops out from his hand)
The wishes
Immortality
an immeasurable powerlevel
Martial arts

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Harlekin]

You don't know anything about Dragonball.
Just stop, please. Gokuu always goes for a fair fight. Wishing for more power does not play into that.

Well guyver was argueing that goku possessed some sort of magic. Fall bakc money.
But he doesn't. Can you argue it though? I'd like to see you try.

None of those (of which some are non-canon moves) match up to reality altering powers dude, beside the wishes, and he only has three of those, which are very limited.

[Bizzybone]

Just stop, please. Gokuu always goes for a fair fight. Wishing for more power does not play into that.
It took supes more than 800 centuries to reach that can of power. By then Goku will be a freaking God. It took goku a span of 1-30 yrs to obtain an earth shattering powerlevel if i'm not mistakened lol.


But he doesn't. Can you argue it though? I'd like to see you try.
What????? Lmao fall back money.
None of those (of which some are non-canon moves) match up to reality altering powers dude, beside the wishes, and he only has three of those, which are very limited.
Huh??? He fused with the dragon did he not. It's unlimited.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Harlekin]

It took supes more than 800 centuries to reach that can of power. By then Goku will be a freaking God. It took goku a span of 1-30 yrs to obtain an earth shattering powerlevel if i'm not mistakened lol.
I do so hate repeating myself. We're taking the Superman 800 years later, and Gokuu 30 years later. That's what has been specified.

What????? Lmao fall back money.
Yeah, I'm asking you to come up with your own stuff. Scary, huh?

Huh??? He fused with the dragon did he not. It's unlimited.
A) The Dragon has been unable to perform a wish numerous times.
B) Gokuu's fusing with the Dragon is speculation. I say he didn't and there's just as much evidence for it.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Can Burori destroy trillions of stars?
Who are you trying to fool!
In DB there are 1 Universe made up of 4 Galaxies which's made up by 4 solarsystems. It was almost funny, it just exist 16 stars in all of Doragonbaru Universe.
(Kinda wierd that they can see stars at night though.)

Gokuu cant grant no wishes.
If it was so he would make Gokuu jr. grandmother healthy again.
But he didnt.

Gokuu aint immortal
He's exactly as "immortal" as Shenlon were.

Gokuu do not have an unlimited amout of power.
Gojiita was stated to be the strongest fighter in all of DB (clearly stated by Toei animation(the creators)

[Super Kal]

Goku is NOT immortal... he can die, just like anyone else in the anime can

If it was so he would make Gokuu jr. grandmother healthy again.
But he didnt.

wrong. if he wanted to make a wish, he would of needed all the Dragonballs... Goku Jr. only had one

[Bizzybone]

I do so hate repeating myself. We're taking the Superman 800 years later, and Gokuu 30 years later. That's what has been specified.
How about goku 800 yrs later.

Yeah, I'm asking you to come up with your own stuff. Scary, huh?
No...eveything you say is bull.

A) The Dragon has been unable to perform a wish numerous times.
Really...only in the sayian saga...that's about it.:o
B) Gokuu's fusing with the Dragon is speculation. I say he didn't and there's just as much evidence for it.
You have nothing in your side to say that this is not true. We all agreed that he did. You must be blind then if you can't see this. By the way, shelon can grant immortality and an immeasurable powerlevel.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Bizzybone]

Can Burori destroy trillions of stars?
Who are you trying to fool!
In DB there are 1 Universe made up of 4 Galaxies which's made up by 4 solarsystems. It was almost funny, it just exist 16 stars in all of Doragonbaru Universe.
(Kinda wierd that they can see stars at night though.)
Here let me correct your fanboy logic...Guyver already stated that Kid BUU massacred a galaxy filled with many stars. Where the hell did you get that info lmao. You need to watch more Dragonball. And Brolly did wipe out a galaxy all at once. You also contradicted yourself in that last sentence of yours-smart:down

Gokuu cant grant no wishes.
If it was so he would make Gokuu jr. grandmother healthy again.
But he didnt.
Why would he want to lmao???

Gokuu aint immortal
He's exactly as "immortal" as Shenlon were.
Then you are as delusional as Harlekin
Gokuu do not have an unlimited amout of power.
Gojiita was stated to be the strongest fighter in all of DB (clearly stated by Toei animation(the creators)
If he wishes for it, then yes. Fall back money you have been owned.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[SSJ4_Mikael]

XiShenlon actually had the Db's infused within him, why didnt me wished for Gojiita to go away?

[Bizzybone]

XiShenlon actually had the Db's infused within him, why didnt me wished for Gojiita to go away?

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???:confused:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

What the hell?

XiShenlon = Omega Shenron
Db's = Dragonball's
infused = merged
Gojiita = Gogeta
"go away" = DIE!

[EXCELSIOR]

Guys, Cool it down in here and PLAY NICE!

[Harlekin]

How about goku 800 yrs later.
We have no idea how Gokuu is 800 years later and are also not using him of that time. The terms of this vs topic clearly state Superman Prime vs Shenron Gokuu. The time-period from which the hail we ignore.

Really...only in the sayian saga...that's about it.
And he did so during the Saiya-Jin saga multiple times.

You have nothing in your side to say that this is not true. We all agreed that he did. You must be blind then if you can't see this. By the way, shelon can grant immortality and an immeasurable powerlevel.
- Do we see Gokuu fusing with the Dragon? No. And that's all I need.
- Yes, Shenron can grant immortality and an immeasurable power level, would Gokuu do this? No. It would fly into the face of every principle Gokuu has. We are discussing this match with the fighters in-character, y'know.

[Bizzybone]

We have no idea how Gokuu is 800 years later and are also not using him of that time. The terms of this vs topic clearly state Superman Prime vs Shenron Gokuu. The time-period from which the hail we ignore.
You just never quit do you Harlekin. Goku will be like a freaking God at the end of 800 centuries.

And he did so during the Saiya-Jin saga multiple times.
HUH???

- Do we see Gokuu fusing with the Dragon? No. And that's all I need.
Yes we do, fall back homie.
- Yes, Shenron can grant immortality and an immeasurable power level, would Gokuu do this? No. It would fly into the face of every principle Gokuu has. We are discussing this match with the fighters in-character, y'know.
And that means the strongest possible form imaginable, fall back money.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Harlekin]

You just never quit do you Harlekin. Goku will be like a freaking God at the end of 800 centuries.
And you just never get it do you? We take Superman Prime from the 8XXth century and Shenron Gokuu at the end of the Gokuu Jr./Vegeta Jr. match.

Yes we do, fall back homie.
All we see is him riding on the Dragon. Nothing more, nothing less.

And that means the strongest possible form imaginable, fall back money.
No, in-character means they act like themselves. Gokuu would never wish for either immortality or immeasurable power. Otherwise, he would've done so the first time he had the chance.

[Red X]

Whos winning?

[1987olds442]

Whos winning?We all loose with these stupid threads...

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Well, we all gain experience.
So we all win :D

[ster]

Goku wins

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Sorry but the Golden-PJ guy win's this.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I got two words for you....



Wizard Magazine!!!!!!!:eek: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif









DB

Kid Goku (born)
-2

Kid Goku (meeting Bulma)
-90

Kid Goku (1st. Tournament)
-130

Kid Goku (Second Tournament)
-200

Kid Goku (Vs. Red Ribbon Army)
-256

Kid Goku (Vs. Daimaio Piccolo)
-340

Kid Goku (Final Trounament of DB, Vs. Ma Junior)
-410

DBZ

Goku
-434

Goku (W/o weighted clothing)
-723

Goku's Kamehameha
-1200

Goku Dead
-614

Goku After Training with King Kaio Sama
-1,000 (surpressed)

Goku Revived
-10,000

Goku Kaio Ken Vs. Nappa
-20,000

Goku Kaio Ken x 2 Vs. Vegeta
-25,000

Goku's Kaio Ken Times 3 Kamehamehameha
-40,000

Goku's Kaio Ken Times 4 Kamehameha
-50,000

Goku injured
-1,000

Goku's Spirit Bomb
-10,000

Goku after Training on Space ship to Namek
-5,000 (surpressed)

Goku's Max
-215,000

Goku Vs. Frieza
-500,000

Goku Kaio Ken x 10
-1,000,500

Goku Super Saiya-jin
-12,500,000

Goku Upon arriving on Earth
-1,000,000

SS Goku on Earth
-17,240,000

Goku on the day of the androids arrival.
-5,000,000

SS Goku Vs. 19
-19,000,000

Heart Disease Goku
-2,000

Goku After Training in Hyperbolic Time Chamber
-35,000,000

Ultra Super Siaya-jin 1 Goku Vs. Perfect Cell
-212,000,000

Goku's Warp Kamehameha Wave
-250,000,000

Goku Dead
-20,000,000

Goku SS Vs. Pikkon
-100,000,000

Goku Super Kaio-Ken (x1000)
-240,000,000

Goku at Tournament
-30,000,000

Goku SS 2 Vs. Yakon
-190,000,000

Goku Super Siaya-jin 2 Vs, Majin Vegeta
-280,500,000

Goku Super Saiya-jin 3
-650,000,000

Veggeto
-900,000,000

SS Veggeto
-1,000,000,000

Goku's Earth Spirit Bomb
-700,000,000

SS Goku's Earth Spirit Bomb
-1,230,000,000

DBGT

Goku
-100,000,000

Goku Child
-10,000,000

Goku Child SS 1
-40,000,000

Goku Child SS 3
-120,000,000

Goku Golden Oozaru
-100,000,000

Goku Super Saiya-jin 4
-345,000,000

Gogeta SSJ4
-2,000,000,000

Goku's Universal Spirit Bomb
-5,700,000,000

Goku After absorbing the dragonballs
-Immeasurable.

OMG!!! Sweet Jesus!! Holy Crap! I can't find the words for it.
It contains so many errors...
Against Raditzu he were in the 300s and without h-clothes in the 400s.
Furiza were in the hundresthousands.
And there aint nothing as immeasurable in DB.
And Gojiita is supose to be more powerful than the Universal Genkidama and even more powerful than Gokuu w/ DB's.
Beside they leave his body since Gokuu jr. finds one.

[James"007"Bond]

I think it would be a short fight, and Superman would win hands down. He’d mop the floor with most uber powerful versions of GOKU. lol


I sure hope for your sake you have a crappy way of expressing sarcasm.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I sure hope for your sake you have a crappy way of expressing sarcasm.
Please, you don't even know how Superman Prime looks.
And neither what destruction he is capable of.
He would destroy Gokuu and re-create him just for the entertainment to be able to kill him again and again.

[James"007"Bond]

Please, you don't even know how Superman Prime looks.
And neither what destruction he is capable of.
He would destroy Gokuu and re-create him just for the entertainment to be able to kill him again and again.

Listen to yourself, not only are you blatantly wrong overall but the "facts" you think you know is by no means something to be proud of. Go out and get laid even if its just to see what a pair of boobas look like.:o

[Bizzybone]

Please, you don't even know how Superman Prime looks.
And neither what destruction he is capable of.
He would destroy Gokuu and re-create him just for the entertainment to be able to kill him again and again.


Goku can kill him and wish him back to be killed once again.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Live and learn...
So what do you do know about "Superman Prime".
The Golden dude that can recreate planet and everything that lived on it of it fragments.
Pre-crisis Superman moved a planet.
Superman Prime would be able to play jugle planets.
He are as close as you get to God himself.
Gokuu would be a piece of meat for him.

[James"007"Bond]

Live and learn...
So what do you do know about "Superman Prime".
The Golden dude that can recreate planet and everything that lived on it of it fragments.
Pre-crisis Superman moved a planet.
Superman Prime would be able to play jugle planets.
He are as close as you get to God himself.
Gokuu would be a piece of meat for him.

You know absoloutly nothing! Your fanboyism has blinded you beyond reason, its so sad its almost funny.:o

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Your stupidity made you vote wrong.
Nothing more to say about it.

[Harlekin]

Listen to yourself, not only are you blatantly wrong overall but the "facts" you think you know is by no means something to be proud of. Go out and get laid even if its just to see what a pair of boobas look like.:o
It's okay if you want to get involved in the debate, but if this is all you can contribute, get out.

[Ultimate_Superman]

You know absoloutly nothing! Your fanboyism has blinded you beyond reason, its so sad its almost funny.:oRight he knows nothing so when Superman Prime brought back Krypton with just a wave of his hand that was not God like powers?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

True, in the Bible it took God a week to create Earth.
Superman did the same job in a lot less time.

So I agree, we can call him God-like.

[Vanguard07]

Yeah superman prime is just about invincible. Goku's incredibly powerfull and all but he's also kinda limited in his abilities. His energy attacks would be his biggest threat and they're painfully slow by comparison to someone with Superman's kinda speed. DBZ characters are WAAY slower than light. Goku's fastest is instant transmission and thats speed of light right on the button. all his other stuff is just too slow. and use of the dragon balls in a fight wouldnt work at all. Why would Superman stop and let him summon the dragon and tell it what he wished for?

[The Hurricane]

Yeah superman prime is just about invincible. Goku's incredibly powerfull and all but he's also kinda limited in his abilities. His energy attacks would be his biggest threat and they're painfully slow by comparison to someone with Superman's kinda speed. DBZ characters are WAAY slower than light. Goku's fastest is instant transmission and thats speed of light right on the button. all his other stuff is just too slow. and use of the dragon balls in a fight wouldnt work at all. Why would Superman stop and let him summon the dragon and tell it what he wished for?Not addmitting defeat to Superman prime but if he was to win it wouldnt be by much

[Bizzybone]

Yeah superman prime is just about invincible.
Supermanprime is vunerable to magic.:)
Goku's incredibly powerfull and all but he's also kinda limited in his abilities. His energy attacks would be his biggest threat and they're painfully slow by comparison to someone with Superman's kinda speed.
Funny how superman versed someone like the damn shaggy man and lost. This character was incredibely slow. Plus superman never fights anyone at that fast pavement na mean. Supermanprime is not the flash anyway lol.
DBZ characters are WAAY slower than light.
Bwahahahahahahahahah. crap.
Goku's fastest is instant transmission and thats speed of light right on the button.
Huh...Istant transmission is istantanious. Meaning is as fast as it needs to be. There is no time delay in between. That's wayyyyy faster than light.
all his other stuff is just too slow.
Not even.
and use of the dragon balls in a fight wouldnt work at all.
Why not????
Why would Superman stop and let him summon the dragon and tell it what he wished for?
Which super saiyan form are you talking about?



http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif...Look i'm not saying that goku will definitely beat him, but you need to come with better reasons than that.

[saiyan jedi]

Live and learn...
So what do you do know about "Superman Prime".
The Golden dude that can recreate planet and everything that lived on it of it fragments.
Pre-crisis Superman moved a planet.
Superman Prime would be able to play jugle planets.
He are as close as you get to God himself.
Gokuu would be a piece of meat for him.
with the dballs goku could do the same
and btw moving a planet is PROPULSION NOT STRENGTH!!! anyway goku has won the poll so why are we still arguing

[ster]

Goku wins

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Goku wins
With ease...

As they say in Pokèmon:

- one hit KO!
- "Superman Prime" fainted.
- Gokou have defeated "Superman Prime".
- You gained 233$.

[Leto Atrides]

I'm not too familiar with this form of Goku (or Gokuu or Gokou, if you like), but I just have to ask the question: Can he alter reality (which it seems Superman Prime can)? If not, then Supes obviously wins. He has the ability to alter reality. He could literally take any power that Goku has away from him.

If Goku can too, then it would be a stalemate. How can two cosmic beings defeat each other? They could both just sit there and create and uncreate each other ad infinitum.

[Chunin]

This isn't even a match, Goku was almost an Anime god before the series ended. Superman Prime was no slouch but he still had ALOT of charecters over his head.

[buutenks]

True, in the Bible it took God a week to create Earth.
Superman did the same job in a lot less time.

So I agree, we can call him God-like.

God created the universe and earth first then made the sky,sun,moon,stars etc.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

God created the universe and earth first then made the sky,sun,moon,stars etc.
Yes, but if you recall, you would remember this.
1st day he created the earth
2nd He created the water - (I realy don't remmeber if this was the first or the second.)
3rd the forests
4th the animal's
5th the human's
6th and 7th he took a nap.

Supreman have no fightingstyle, there are human's who have a lot better tecniques than him. If you look at Gokou, you see that he have a lot of fighting experience.

If Thanos HotU coulden't use magic, if Superman Prime couldent do it and if Harakhti (not Horaku) couldn't use it as well.
They would all get their asses kicked by Bejiita, Gohan or Gokou

[bruce wang]

goku sucks.

[buutenks]

Yes, but if you recall, you would remember this.
1st day he created the earth
2nd He created the water - (I realy don't remmeber if this was the first or the second.)
3rd the forests
4th the animal's
5th the human's
6th and 7th he took a nap.

Supreman have no fightingstyle, there are human's who have a lot better tecniques than him. If you look at Gokou, you see that he have a lot of fighting experience.

If Thanos HotU coulden't use magic, if Superman Prime couldent do it and if Harakhti (not Horaku) couldn't use it as well.
They would all get their asses kicked by Bejiita, Gohan or Gokou

Yes ,but God created in 1:14 the Sun,Moon and Stars.
In 1:1 he created the heavens and earth,heavens means universe.

[Harlekin]

Thanos with the HotU doesn't need magic.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Who's Who in the Superman Comics

Solaris

Far into the future, synthetic suns - the products of supreme 853rd century technology, provide supernatural, life-sustaining heat and light for their intended galaxies. The synthetic suns also contain vast computer systems, creating a "Hypernet" of sorts, far more advanced and extensive in concept than the Internet we utilize today. And so with the advent of these artificial suns, came the birth of Solaris, the Tyrant Sun.

Arch-enemy of the Justice Legion A, Solaris infected the Justice Legion's Hourman, a super sentient cyborg, with a devastating virus. Biotech in nature, this virus was a threat to humans as well as computers. When the Justice Legion traveled back in time to begin a ceremony honoring the Justice League of America, present day Earth was infected with Solaris's devilish virus.
And so, allied with the evil immortal Vandal Savage, Solaris threatened present day Earth and the far future cosmos, simultaneously. The ultimate goal of Solaris was to destroy his most powerful enemy - Superman Prime! The original Superman - who himself is immortal, Superman Prime took refuge within the Earth's sun. Solaris attempted to shoot Superman with what was thought to have been the last remaining piece of kryptonite. However, the kryptonite was actually a Green Lantern ring... still latently powerful after so many years...which Superman then used to destroy Solaris himself, by causing Solaris to cave in on itself and become a less malicious form of matter. While the exact details are fuzzy, it is believed that Superman Prime then transmuted Solaris's remnants into a new version of Krypton.
Despite the fact that Solaris was ultimately destroyed, it is speculated that its time-altering abilities are still a threat to the cosmos; putting all heroes, from the present and the future, under continuous watch. First Appearance: DC One Million #1

I've got that from the originl DC site,
Gokou would stand no chanse, neither would SSJ4 Gojiita.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Anything bad by taking fact from other sites, or's it better to pull it out of the ass?

[Guyverjay]

I've got that from the originl DC site,
Gokou would stand no chanse, neither would SSJ4 Gojiita.


He's immortal as in he doesn't age not as in he can't die

[Jplaya2023]

?????????????

[saiyan jedi]

He's immortal as in he doesn't age not as in he can't die
prove it

[Jager X]

look in the dictionary for proof.there's a huge difference between immortal and invincible and it's aggravating when people act like they're the same.btw,goku wins and superman is a democratic ballsucker.

[Leto Atrides]

I'm just going to be the language police here, but...

He's immortal as in he doesn't age not as in he can't die

look in the dictionary for proof.there's a huge difference between immortal and invincible and it's aggravating when people act like they're the same.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=immortal

And I quote:
Immortal
1. Not subject to death

And for the record invincible means undefeatable, it has nothing to do with whether one can die or not.

Having an indefinite lifespan, i.e. not aging and only possibly living forever, is something completely different.

[buutenks]

Tell me what feats does Goku have that puts him over Superman?I'll tell you,he has no feats that puts him over Pre-crisis Superman let alone Superman prime.Goku in ssj3 could lift up to 40 milion tons and go lightspeed.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Base Gokou can't lift 40 ton's...
SSJ3 would probobly be able to lift about 50...
Gokou pl: 10 can lift a car = 1 ton
Gokou pl: aprox: >10^600 pl can lift for 40 ton's
(a planet like earth need's about a 18k pl, and since he's about Burori, who can destroy a galaxy he's at least a centilion (10^600 / 1 followed by 600 zero's) and he could lift 40 ton's, which syoul be false, he should actually be able to move about a centilion ton's....

Well, actually it's sick...
However, Prime is immu to phychical damage. Goku's screwed...

[SSJ4_Mikael]

1 centilion = 1^600 =
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[Guyverjay]

I'm just going to be the language police here, but...





http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=immortal

And I quote:
Immortal
1. Not subject to death

And for the record invincible means undefeatable, it has nothing to do with whether one can die or not.

Having an indefinite lifespan, i.e. not aging and only possibly living forever, is something completely different.

Why don't you look up the meaning of the word "semantics" in your dictionary?

Being immortal in comics means you does NOT mean you cannot die. If somone like the living tribunal decides you die. Do you think that someone whose immortal is going to shrug it off:rolleyes:

NOBODY in comics is indestructable,invicible, immortal except the supreme being in the multiverse. EVERYONE and EVERTHING else can be destroyed. Hell in some comics (preacher for example) even GOD can die

prove it

Prove what? Superman has been killed before

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Why don't you look up the meaning of the word "semantics" in your dictionary?

Being immortal in comics means you does NOT mean you cannot die. If somone like the living tribunal decides you die. Do you think that someone whose immortal is going to shrug it off:rolleyes:

NOBODY in comics is indestructable,invicible, immortal except the supreme being in the multiverse. EVERYONE and EVERTHING else can be destroyed. Hell in some comics (preacher for example) even GOD can die



Prove what? Superman has been killed before
Living Tribunal doesn't exist in the DC universe...
He's a marvel guy as Thanos ifw HotU
ifw HotU = infused with the heart of the universe.

Immortal = that the character can't die.
As long as prime is immortal noone can take his life.
But if someone like God wanted to kill him, she/he/it would first take away his immortality. ANd then he wouldent be immortal anymore, but as long as he's immortal he cannot die.

[Guyverjay]

Living Tribunal doesn't exist in the DC universe...
He's a marvel guy as Thanos ifw HotU
ifw HotU = infused with the heart of the universe.

How does THAT have any relevence? Does Goku exist in the DC universe?:rolleyes:

Immortal = that the character can't die.
As long as prime is immortal noone can take his life.
But if someone like God wanted to kill him, she/he/it would first take away his immortality. ANd then he wouldent be immortal anymore, but as long as he's immortal he cannot die.


Superman isn't immortal. If he can die by ANY method. Then he's NOT immortal. To imply that someone who is omnipotent ie GOD can't kill superman prime is the dumbest thing I've heard today. Franklin richards could turn Superman prime into a grapefruit then step on him. Comic immortals can die. The infinites could blink and destroy Superman prime. Even the being that made up the infinity gauntlet DIED.

ETERNITY can die and he's the embodiment of the Multiverse.

Prime ISN'T immortal

Hell I bet you think even DEATH or ENTROPY couldn't kill him too:rolleyes:

[buutenks]

Base Gokou can't lift 40 ton's...
SSJ3 would probobly be able to lift about 50...
Gokou pl: 10 can lift a car = 1 ton
Gokou pl: aprox: >10^600 pl can lift for 40 ton's
(a planet like earth need's about a 18k pl, and since he's about Burori, who can destroy a galaxy he's at least a centilion (10^600 / 1 followed by 600 zero's) and he could lift 40 ton's, which syoul be false, he should actually be able to move about a centilion ton's....

Well, actually it's sick...
However, Prime is immu to phychical damage. Goku's screwed...

What are you talking about?At every ssj transformation the are 50 times stronger then the first ssj transformation.Why is it 50 times?Because when Cell fought fpssj Goku,he was not going all out,but when he is at full power he is about 5 times stronger then fpssj Goku (Cell wanted to be equal with Goku so he could have a good fight) and ssj2 Gohan was at least 10 times stronger then Cell because when he was playing with Cell he was not useing his full power,he probably wasn't even at 50% of his power.

Now why was ssj2 Gohan 10 times stronger, because when Raditz camed and fought Goku and Picolo he was 3 or 4 times stronger but he could be hurt by their punches and attacks but ssj2 Gohan was not even hurt a bit after Full Power Perfect Cell punched him with all his strengh and ssj2 Gohan was probably not even using 50% of his power.

And that 40 ton feat is SvsFL because if it were not then Vegeta from the Cell saga would be stronger then Goku from the Buu saga, and so would Gohan because normal Gohan lifted a 747 and a bus with one hand and that bus was more then 20 tons.And it's SvsFL because there is noway that ssj2 Goku could have destroyed mountain/mountain ranges with just the shockwave of his punches if he could only lift 70.000-90.000 tons.

And don't say that Full power Perfect Cell was only 1 times stronger because that is false,Cell just wanted to be equal with him so he didn't went full power.And there was a gravity of 10 times that of earth so Goku could not lift 400 tons.

[Leto Atrides]

I think there is no way Goku can win. It comes down to whether Goku has cosmic powers or not. Prime does. Therefore, if Goku does not have them, he's getting himself unexisted. If he does, neither can win. It doesn't matter how strong Goku is. Altering reality can override any amount of strength.

It's either Supes or a stalemate.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

What are you talking about?At every ssj transformation the are 50 times stronger then the first ssj transformation.Why is it 50 times?Because when Cell fought fpssj Goku,he was not going all out,but when he is at full power he is about 5 times stronger then fpssj Goku (Cell wanted to be equal with Goku so he could have a good fight) and ssj2 Gohan was at least 10 times stronger then Cell because when he was playing with Cell he was not useing his full power,he probably wasn't even at 50% of his power.

Now why was ssj2 Gohan 10 times stronger, because when Raditz camed and fought Goku and Picolo he was 3 or 4 times stronger but he could be hurt by their punches and attacks but ssj2 Gohan was not even hurt a bit after Full Power Perfect Cell punched him with all his strengh and ssj2 Gohan was probably not even using 50% of his power.

And that 40 ton feat is SvsFL because if it were not then Vegeta from the Cell saga would be stronger then Goku from the Buu saga, and so would Gohan because normal Gohan lifted a 747 and a bus with one hand and that bus was more then 20 tons.And it's SvsFL because there is noway that ssj2 Goku could have destroyed mountain/mountain ranges with just the shockwave of his punches if he could only lift 70.000-90.000 tons.

And don't say that Full power Perfect Cell was only 1 times stronger because that is false,Cell just wanted to be equal with him so he didn't went full power.And there was a gravity of 10 times that of earth so Goku could not lift 400 tons.
1) Gokou went from 1,000 kiri's to 3,000 kiri's against Yakon after going SSJ. So no not every SSJ level 50 fold the users power.

2) Gohan lifting a bus = filler.
South kaio-sama changed the gravity on the planet for Gokou so it would be 40 earth ton's.
Gokou destroying a mountain = filler.
However he was stronger than Burori who could destroy a galaxy, so a montain, on't make me laugh. (Burori is also filler, Gokou shoulden't be able to destroy more than a solar system)

3)

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I think there is no way Goku can win. It comes down to whether Goku has cosmic powers or not. Prime does. Therefore, if Goku does not have them, he's getting himself unexisted. If he does, neither can win. It doesn't matter how strong Goku is. Altering reality can override any amount of strength.

It's either Supes or a stalemate.
Well, actually it is...
If you count in the filler (anime). SSJ4 Gokou should be able to destroy the universe. So even Thanatos ifw HotU (Thano's controlling all matter in the universe)
would be chansless since Gokou can destroy it if nessecery.
Or, better to put them equal since Thanos can do the same.

[Leto Atrides]

If he can then, then I'm guessing they would completely destroy everything, including themselves. So no one wins. Rather depressing.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

If he can then, then I'm guessing they would completely destroy everything, including themselves. So no one wins. Rather depressing.
True, but the thing is, Thanatos survived even after destroying everything, which puts him a step ahead.
But the anime make's no sence.
If you go by the original work, then DB's power ain't so far from thoese in Naruto. If you are excluding the power to destroy planets and so on.

[chuy]

in db yea
but in z and gt their some much better then narturo
it isn't even funny

[buutenks]

1) Gokou went from 1,000 kiri's to 3,000 kiri's against Yakon after going SSJ. So no not every SSJ level 50 fold the users power.

2) Gohan lifting a bus = filler.
South kaio-sama changed the gravity on the planet for Gokou so it would be 40 earth ton's.
Gokou destroying a mountain = filler.
However he was stronger than Burori who could destroy a galaxy, so a montain, on't make me laugh. (Burori is also filler, Gokou shoulden't be able to destroy more than a solar system)

3)

1.Where did it say that he went from 1000 to 3000?Don't say that he is only 3 times stronger because those power levels are not the same as the oder power levels.And it can't be 3 times because if it was then Full power Perfect Cell would only be 2 times stronger then normal Goku from the Cell saga and Imperfect Cell stage 2 would only be 0.5 times stronger then normal Goku from the Cell saga and ussj Vegeta would only be 1 times stronger then normal Goku from the Cell saga and fpssj Goku would only be 1.5 times stronger then himself.I said 2 times because normal Goku from the Buu saga was stronger then normal Goku from the Cell saga so his ssj transformation was stronger then Perfect Cell.So you see why it can't be 3 times for the ssj transformation it would be to weak then,kaioken10 would be better then,so it must be 50 times.

2.Gohan still lifted a boeing 747 with one hand so that puts him over 100 tons.
He didn't say nothing about making the gravity like the earths gravity.So it was 400 tons.And Brolly is non-canon,you can't use him.And if it was 40 tons then it means that normal Vegeta and Gohan are stronger then normal Goku and it means that Goku got weaker in the Buu saga,well thats what happens when you get older you get weaker.So if it was 40 tons(which it wasn't )then we could use Goku from the Freza saga when we put him against Superman because he lifted a mountain in the Frieza saga so he is stronger then ssj3 Goku.Or was that mountain lifting feat a filler?If it was then he is only stronger then normal Goku from the Buu saga(which he is not because it was not 40 tons it was 400 tons,but I am just saying that he is stronger if we go by what you said).And if it was 40 tons(which it wasn't)and at every ssj transformation they are 3 times stronger(which is not) then why could they destroy mountain ranges just by the shockwave of their punches?Because it wasn't 40 tons it was 400 and at every ssj transformation they are 50 times stronger then the first.

[Red X]

maxed out with full access to the Dragon Balls

Couldn't he just wish Superman was powerless?

[buutenks]

Couldn't he just wish Superman was powerless?

Nope.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Then he's dead meat...

[ster]

Goku wins

[buutenks]

Goku wins

Goku does not have the feats to beat Pre-crisis Superman let alone Superman prime.

[ster]

I said Goku wins

[buutenks]

I said Goku wins

What ever.

[buutenks]

1.Where did it say that he went from 1000 to 3000?Don't say that he is only 3 times stronger because those power levels are not the same as the oder power levels.And it can't be 3 times because if it was then Full power Perfect Cell would only be 2 times stronger then normal Goku from the Cell saga and Imperfect Cell stage 2 would only be 0.5 times stronger then normal Goku from the Cell saga and ussj Vegeta would only be 1 times stronger then normal Goku from the Cell saga and fpssj Goku would only be 1.5 times stronger then himself.I said 2 times because normal Goku from the Buu saga was stronger then normal Goku from the Cell saga so his ssj transformation was stronger then Perfect Cell.So you see why it can't be 3 times for the ssj transformation it would be to weak then,kaioken10 would be better then,so it must be 50 times.

2.Gohan still lifted a boeing 747 with one hand so that puts him over 100 tons.
He didn't say nothing about making the gravity like the earths gravity.So it was 400 tons.And Brolly is non-canon,you can't use him.And if it was 40 tons then it means that normal Vegeta and Gohan are stronger then normal Goku and it means that Goku got weaker in the Buu saga,well thats what happens when you get older you get weaker.So if it was 40 tons(which it wasn't )then we could use Goku from the Freza saga when we put him against Superman because he lifted a mountain in the Frieza saga so he is stronger then ssj3 Goku.Or was that mountain lifting feat a filler?If it was then he is only stronger then normal Goku from the Buu saga(which he is not because it was not 40 tons it was 400 tons,but I am just saying that he is stronger if we go by what you said).And if it was 40 tons(which it wasn't)and at every ssj transformation they are 3 times stronger(which is not) then why could they destroy mountain ranges just by the shockwave of their punches?Because it wasn't 40 tons it was 400 and at every ssj transformation they are 50 times stronger then the first.

Well ssj4 Mikael still thinking that it's 3 times?

[ster]

What ever.
what are you all in a heap over?

[saiyan jedi]

Nope.
yes he can

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Well ssj4 Mikael still thinking that it's 3 times?
stupid n00b, the raise is based on your base power...
It's allways different, in Furiza saga it were 50x.
In Babidi saga it was 3.

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume38/Db38ch06/380603.gif

Gokou was slight stronger than Yakon in his base.
Gokou > Yakon = 800 kiri's
So yeah, Gokou is about 1,000 kiri.
And SSJ is 3,000
That make's it 3 time's.

And Gohan turning SSJ2 at the tournament incresses his power by 9x-12x

[buutenks]

stupid n00b, the raise is based on your base power...
It's allways different, in Furiza saga it were 50x.
In Babidi saga it was 3.

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume38/Db38ch06/380603.gif

Gokou was slight stronger than Yakon in his base.
Gokou > Yakon = 800 kiri's
So yeah, Gokou is about 1,000 kiri.
And SSJ is 3,000
That make's it 3 time's.

And Gohan turning SSJ2 at the tournament incresses his power by 9x-12x

You are wrong base Goku was not stronger then Yakon when he transformed in ssj he was stronger then Yakon ,it never said nothing about his base being stronger then Yakon, Babbidi knew that Yakon could beat Goku because Babbidi did not knew about the ssj forms and Babbidi was sure that Yakon could beat base Goku but when he transformed he had 3000 kilis and was stronger then Yakon so normal Goku would have had 70-100 kilis,and don't say that he needed to transform because it was dark,he did need to transform because it was dark but he needed to transform because he was not strong enough to beat Yakon in his base.

And there is noway that ssj2 Goku could destroy mountain/mountain ranges just by the shockwave of his punches if he could only lift 10.000-15.000 tons.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

You are wrong base Goku was not stronger then Yakon when he transformed in ssj he was stronger then Yakon ,it never said nothing about his base being stronger then Yakon, Babbidi knew that Yakon could beat Goku because Babbidi did not knew about the ssj forms and Babbidi was sure that Yakon could beat base Goku but when he transformed he had 3000 kilis and was stronger then Yakon so normal Goku would have had 70-100 kilis,and don't say that he needed to transform because it was dark,he did need to transform because it was dark but he needed to transform because he was not strong enough to beat Yakon in his base.

And there is noway that ssj2 Goku could destroy mountain/mountain ranges just by the shockwave of his punches if he could only lift 10.000-15.000 tons.
If you were paying attention you would notice that before Gokou turned SSJ (when he was at planet "darkness") he kicked Yakun's ass all over the plance, Yakun coulden't even touch him...
So Base Gokou is slight stronger than Yakun

[buutenks]

If you were paying attention you would notice that before Gokou turned SSJ (when he was at planet "darkness") he kicked Yakun's ass all over the plance, Yakun coulden't even touch him...
So Base Gokou is slight stronger than Yakun

I forgot about that port,but still ssj3 Goku is light speed.Don't say that he isn't because Perfect Cell went from earth to a astroid,which was far from earth.

[buutenks]

If you were paying attention you would notice that before Gokou turned SSJ (when he was at planet "darkness") he kicked Yakun's ass all over the plance, Yakun coulden't even touch him...
So Base Gokou is slight stronger than Yakun

I forgot about that part,but still ssj3 Goku is light speed.Don't say that he isn't because Perfect Cell went from earth to a astroid in a couple of seconds,which was far from earth.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I forgot about that part,but still ssj3 Goku is light speed.Don't say that he isn't because Perfect Cell went from earth to a astroid in a couple of seconds,which was far from earth.
Raditzu was faster than light in the anime...
Anime character's can do pretty much anything.
I even think that the strongest (XiShenlon and SSJ4 Gojita) would be able to overpower the Heart of the Universe, since they both probobly have the power to destroy Time and Space.
Time and Space >> Dimention >> Universe >> Galaxy >> Solar system > Planet

[buutenks]

And Gohan turning SSJ2 at the tournament incresses his power by 9x-12x

I think it's more like 15-20 times stronger.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I think it's more like 15-20 times stronger.
Ehh, I wasn't guessing.
If you look at Spopavish kiri-scale you see that the difference is about from 1,5 to 16 something.

[buutenks]

If I remember one of the Kais said that he could sense their ships but could not sense Goku or Gotenks moving which would mean that they are FTL because their ships are moving faster then the speed of light is the statement true or it has never been stated?Gokus ship got to Namek in six days and Namek is in a nother galaxy so that is far faster then light speed so was that stastement said?Because I want to know if the statement was said because I don't have the manga so If some one knows can he tell me if that statement was said?

[saiyan jedi]

the ssj's increase is 50 or more

[SSJ4_Mikael]

the ssj's increase is 50 or more
Nope, just first time Gokou went SSJ the incresse was about 50 times.
In the Buu saga it was like this.
FpSSJ Gokou: 3*10^25
FpSSJ2 Gokou: 9*10^25
FpSSJ3 Gokou: 2,7*10^26
Chou Gohan: 5*10^50

[buutenks]

Nope, just first time Gokou went SSJ the incresse was about 50 times.
In the Buu saga it was like this.
FpSSJ Gokou: 3*10^25
FpSSJ2 Gokou: 9*10^25
FpSSJ3 Gokou: 2,7*10^26
Chou Gohan: 5*10^50

2,7?It is more like 9 times because ssj2 Vegeta couldn't even surviv 3 seconds against kid buu and he wasn't even trying and don't say that ssj2 Goku was almost equal with kid buu because the part where he fought with kid buu was all filler.And because kid buu could have killed ssj2 Vegeta with two punches if he really wanted.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

2,7?It is more like 9 times because ssj2 Vegeta couldn't even surviv 3 seconds against kid buu and he wasn't even trying and don't say that ssj2 Goku was almost equal with kid buu because the part where he fought with kid buu was all filler.And because kid buu could have killed ssj2 Vegeta with two punches if he really wanted.
Oh Sorry i put it up so you understand it.
SSJ Gokou: 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gokou: 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gokou: 270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Chou Gohan: 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000

[My vengeance]

Oh Sorry i put it up so you understand it.
SSJ Gokou: 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gokou: 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gokou: 270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Chou Gohan: 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000

SSj Gokou-30 septilions
SSj 2 Gokou-90 septilions
SSj 3 Gokou-270 septilions
Chou Gohan-I'm not even going to bother to count that...

[cough]bull****,bull****[/cough,cough]

[Super_Child]

Oh Sorry i put it up so you understand it.
SSJ Gokou: 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gokou: 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gokou: 270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Chou Gohan: 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000

You don't know what on earth you are talking about. Those power levels are far FAR too high.

[Jplaya2023]

Oh Sorry i put it up so you understand it.
SSJ Gokou: 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gokou: 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gokou: 270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Chou Gohan: 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000

lol @ this nonsense LMAOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[SSJ4_Mikael]

You don't know what on earth you are talking about. Those power levels are far FAR too high.
LOL Just in Furiza's saga Gokou's powerlevel incressed from 5,000 too 150,000,000 (as SSJ)
Which would be an incresse of 30,000x just add to saga's more.
30,000^3 = 27000000000000x would be the aproximate incresse and times 5k well it should be something like that.
Before the daizenshuu everyone though SSJ Gokou had 15,000,000 pl but it actually were about 150,000,000
So many do underastimate DB character's.

[Jplaya2023]

LOL Just in Furiza's saga Gokou's powerlevel incressed from 5,000 too 150,000,000 (as SSJ)
Which would be an incresse of 30,000x just add to saga's more.
30,000^3 = 27000000000000x would be the aproximate incresse and times 5k well it should be something like that.
Before the daizenshuu everyone though SSJ Gokou had 15,000,000 pl but it actually were about 150,000,000
So many do underastimate DB character's.

He was 15 million as a SSJ.

He was 5,000 in the saiyan saga powered up (no kaoken) ready to fight nappa.

The first PL in the frieza saga we have of goku is 180,000

[buutenks]

Off topic but:can Perfect Cell destroy mountains with his punches because when he hit at ssj2 Gohan and mist him it only destroyed a small part of a mountain and when ssj Goku fought with Cell they were not destroying mountains like in the Frieza vs ssj Goku fight,so can he?

[Aidan06]

goku hands down, without the d balls, he IS the most powerfull no matetr what you say, his power level when he could destory a planet in seconds with a sinlge blast was like, what....1.2 million? at the end of db gt it was like 1,000,000,000 if im not mistaken ( or more..) he could end super man in a blast, plus with th d balls he could wish for invincibility... or anything else he wanted....he could punch a hole through super man making him explode like gohan did to cell juniors and oh btw the androids thing was lame, no android could stand up to goku, but they have to find enemies powerfull enough to face him so they have to overate weak enemies to match his significant uber powers, if they made the characters of dbz to scale (the enemies) goku would flick them all away...goku has done feats such as blasting planets in half, moving them...holding his power back and still almost destroying planets/ the universe, and cell at pl of around 6,000,000 laughed as bullets bounced from him...hes about 300x less powerfull than goku, nappa could destroy an armor plated tank/ air craft in a single blast or hit, his pl was about 5,000...about 1,000,000x less powerfull than ssj4 goku

[buutenks]

goku hands down, without the d balls, he IS the most powerfull no matetr what you say, his power level when he could destory a planet in seconds with a sinlge blast was like, what....1.2 million? at the end of db gt it was like 1,000,000,000 if im not mistaken ( or more..) he could end super man in a blast, plus with th d balls he could wish for invincibility... or anything else he wanted....he could punch a hole through super man making him explode like gohan did to cell juniors and oh btw the androids thing was lame, no android could stand up to goku, but they have to find enemies powerfull enough to face him so they have to overate weak enemies to match his significant uber powers, if they made the characters of dbz to scale (the enemies) goku would flick them all away...goku has done feats such as blasting planets in half, moving them...holding his power back and still almost destroying planets/ the universe, and cell at pl of around 6,000,000 laughed as bullets bounced from him...hes about 300x less powerfull than goku, nappa could destroy an armor plated tank/ air craft in a single blast or hit, his pl was about 5,000...about 1,000,000x less powerfull than ssj4 goku

No power levels were stated after the Frieza saga and they can't move blanets and Cell was hit by bombs not bullets,bullets were nothing at the beginning of Db.

[buutenks]

Off topic but:can Perfect Cell destroy mountains with his punches because when he hit at ssj2 Gohan and mist him it only destroyed a small part of a mountain and when ssj Goku fought with Cell they were not destroying mountains like in the Frieza vs ssj Goku fight,so can he?

Well?Can he?

[torkibe]

and I thought the Hulk forums were full of fanboys...

[Super_Child]

LOL Just in Furiza's saga Gokou's powerlevel incressed from 5,000 too 150,000,000 (as SSJ)
Which would be an incresse of 30,000x just add to saga's more.
30,000^3 = 27000000000000x would be the aproximate incresse and times 5k well it should be something like that.
Before the daizenshuu everyone though SSJ Gokou had 15,000,000 pl but it actually were about 150,000,000
So many do underastimate DB character's.

Goku was 12.5 million as an SSJ for the first time. Where are you getting your info from?

[Jplaya2023]

Goku was 12.5 million as an SSJ for the first time. Where are you getting your info from?

Nope he was 15 million

[Aidan06]

No power levels were stated after the Frieza saga and they can't move blanets and Cell was hit by bombs not bullets,bullets were nothing at the beginning of Db.

actually no, he was also shot in an episode by machine guns, goku moved a planet before vegeta went ssj for the first time for about 3 seconds to get closer to the astroid vegeta was on, and still, gokus pl goes alot higher, wether levels were shown or not, ive seen loads of sites stating the same pl's for gt and late dbz, yawn

[MarvelMovies]

Nice list Bizzybone...

Crazy how Goku's power levels just go off the charts, even when he's dead

:)

[Gotenks]

Goku

[Colossal Spoons]

Gracious, bury this thread again.

[ster]

Goku wins

[M-Dogg]

goku would definetly win hands down

[M-Dogg]

theres no way regular superman could win cuz goku could beat him without even going ssj. But as for Superman Prime. I don't know enough about him to say anthing. I've read other posts that say he is ridiculously powerful but I can't say anything for sure.

[buutenks]

theres no way regular superman could win cuz goku could beat him without even going ssj. But as for Superman Prime. I don't know enough about him to say anthing. I've read other posts that say he is ridiculously powerful but I can't say anything for sure.

Ssj3 Goku didn't do any feats to put him above post-crisis Superman,so I say that Goku loses to Sups.

[XwolverineX]

Who's Superman Prime?!